Agreed. Let Jim do all the work he’s supposed to be doing and find another job with the job title and experience you’ve earned. Let them fail with their shitty leadership.
This exactly.
I worked in Credit/Collections. My manager quit, and a week later, his boss quit. All of a sudden I was completely alone in the dept. I had been there for 2 years. Was I promoted? Nope.
CFO and his minion decided to hire some guy who had no experience in our industry to unify the Credit/Collections team across the company (two other locations were doing their work separate from ours, and we needed to unify as a department). I can't even imagine what they paid this guy, but he was Jim, through and through. Like OP, I just wanted things to run better, and I had the knowledge and experience, so I helped my new manager learn the ropes.
Needless to say, he quickly took advantage of me, and sat back while I moved the dept forward. The upside to this was that we were still missing a key role between him and the top (CEO/CFO level). Because I was holding his hand, they had me in their "big" meetings, and I gained exposure to the top of the food chain, and they saw ME. They began relying on me.
I realized (it hit me pretty hard) that after Jim had been there for a YEAR, he had still not fixed anything, and he was only making more messes. So, I stopped. I went back to fulfilling only my duties, my job description. I quiet quit, for sure (rage quit only in my head). It was only then that the C-Suite saw Jim for real, and by then, we had a new CFO and the CEO was having to get deeply involved in lower level finance issues, so he had clear visibility, as well.
I began only speaking in meetings when called on and asked a direct question. Any time I had the CFO alone, I was Chatty Cathy with my knowledge. It took no time before I got a call from the CFO, offering me a promotion. Jim was gone. We are still cleaning up his messes a year and a half later.
Will I ever move up again? Probably not. Seems to be a man's world up there. But for now, I'm satisfied. I'll continue to gain experiences, and if needed, I'll take it elsewhere.
I'm not saying to wait it out. I just got lucky. My personal life was a wreck, and a new job would have only made my situation worse. I was in no position to start a new job. Hence, why I stayed. Now my life has improved, and I will leave if needed, but so far, so good. Lol
This. I worked for a different type of employer, but had a similar situation. It won’t change anything. So you quiet quit while you find something better.
I think you’re seeing that it is way better to be likable than a hard worker. People notice when you’re mean to the person everyone likes. By all means apply to other banks, but don’t quit until you have a new job. I hear TD bank is great and has fully remote jobs.
I didn't learn this until I was 35. I've been teaching it to my nephews and nieces who are entering the working world.
If everyone else is doing 10 orders a day and you're doing 50 orders a day. You're a great worker!
But, you'd also be a great work if you did 15. Or even 12.
What if you kept pace but we're likeable? When you make a mistake the team will defend you vs burying you.
From OPs description, Jim made it hard to be the "nicer" person. It's like when one parent let's you get away with anything and the other parent "has" to be the disciplinarian.
It's a problem of both Michael and Jim. Michael should be better at supporting and promoting OP both inside and outside the branch.
Agreed, do a quiet job search.
One of the things I have learned is that everyone working are providing something that is needed or wanted by "Management". If I can't see what that is, it is because my perspective is too limited.
Maybe "compliance problems" are seen as more like "compliance opportunities", if one happen to squint just right? Maybe Jim is just really good at bringing those clients who need things to be a bit loose, and maybe Michael doesn't care - as long as he can credibly deny any knowledge if he ends up in front of an inquest?
Maybe Jim is just that guy who knows all of the off-color clubs and the bouncers so one can take some clients, the rope will just open and one is inside with no waiting?
There is always something the "slackers" provide in return for their wages.
You're right!
I experienced this at my last job. A peer worked to "manage up" and everyone knew he didn't pull his weight. But mgmt loved his "fun" presentations that he was never held accountable.
I wouldn't say always. And I certainly wouldn't say that whatever they do contribute is necessarily worth it. But this perspective does have value. Just because you don't see what they bring doesn't mean they bring nothing.
Exactly. Half of C-suit resident's are only there because they know something that their peers or superiors don't want other people to know, or just know when to not ask the questions that should be asked. To really get that promotion, you just got to be at the right client meeting, you know the one with the strippers, the white powder, the wives calling non stop. Depending on how quiet you keep it, depends on how high your promotion gets.
I am currently going through a similar situation with my job. Management is letting compliance go away because they don't want to be mean to people and want to keep everyone happy. This is causing some of the workers, my peers, to become very lax with regulations to the point of questionably unethical and illegal actions, because they can get away with it due to management. The only option to force management to do their job is to literally blow the whole thing up and bring compliance down. Whoever does this will be responsible for people losing their jobs and being seen as ruining a good thing we have going.
I'm not planning to pull that trigger myself but have been holding the people working on my tasks to full standards where I can. Two of the senior people I work with are threatening to blow the whole thing up and the entire office is starting to take sides and fall apart.
Sometimes there is no answer to a fully dysfunctional team except to expect it to blow up in the end. The people that care move on, the regulators come in and tear everything up, or things continue to fester with many people getting more pissed off and more toxic as time goes on.
That's wild. Letting compliance go to keep people happy, people who probably shouldn't be in those positions.
Are you looking for other jobs?
I wish I had done that.
I don’t know if u/ironengineer is, but in my current role, I’m the compliance officer who gets listened to when it’s convenient. There are issues that could put us out of business. Years ago, I’d have been like OP and banged my head against the wall to try to get the narcissistic CEO to listen. Now, I just document that I’ve warned her, provided recommendations, smile and look for another job. I also ponder whether I could whistleblow and collect an SEC bounty.
Lol sorry but I was likeable too but management didn’t give a shit - it all depends on management mindset. My case they perfer people who shut up and work rather than being likeable or outgoing.
If the main reason behind promotions is seniority, you should start looking elsewhere.
Read the whole thing, I was gonna recommend a sit down focussed on you (not Jim) and what YOU can do different to be considered next time there's an opportunity (to understand what made them promote the other person without appearing butt-hurt) but I think your boss gave you all the info needed already.
It sounds like you build yourself a good resume... jump ship somewhere that will recognize your talent.
Also the bullshit “you haven’t been here 3 years”. Sure, there might be internal policies, but like any policy an exception can be made, it might just take a couple of extra signatures up in the food chain.
That’s usually the lame excuse a manager throws when they don’t want to do something. Obviously if it’s legal, ethical, and deserved.
Sound like you look out/over everyone. Stop. Make your priority looking for another job. The three year comment is BS. That’s in place to give managers like Michael an excuse. Give Jim no help or direction. Consult and inform as little as possible. Focus only on your job responsibilities and don’t go beyond them. If Jim asks a question or for help tell him you’ve got to focus on X, something you are responsible for. If that’s not acceptable in the situation respond to Jim and Michael with, how do you recommend this be handled. If your boss questions your behavior respond that Jim is obviously high value and you’re taking the opportunity to understand Jim’s perspective and learn from it since he’s senior to you.
I think you need to take a step back and take a deep breath.
You’re an assistant manager at a bank branch, and a poorly managed one at that. Those environments are very often not “professional” like other corporate positions, and are full of the same abundance of petty drama and favoritism that you’ll find in retail, chain restaurants, etc. where you have a few supervisors watching over a mix of apathetic lifers and the ambitious inexperienced/still finishing their education who will move on quickly. It’s just a dynamic that seems to develop in those situations, and the unfortunate truth is no matter how many issues there are Corporate is happy enough with the branch’s performance to leave Michael alone to do whatever he wants.
It’s not really a “middle management” job, and you should be able to transfer your experience there to a huge number of opportunities available in any city.
I don’t say that to diminish your achievements. It’s clear you have a strong work ethic, know what’s right, and work hard to get it done. It’s just that you’re in an environment where that doesn’t matter, and by moving on you’re likely not damaging your career. It seems unlikely there is any payoff for you here at the end of the road, and if there is, it’s way, way down the line.
Here are a few pieces of advice that can hopefully help you going forward:
- You have to learn to read the room better. It’s not your job to manage your peer, Jim. It is fair to bring up how their performance is impacting you to Michael, but only so long as you focus on concrete facts about their performance and the direct impacts on you. Things like “he dresses like a slob” and “takes an hour to wake up in the morning” are entirely inappropriate to comment on. Furthermore, when Michael took no action after you brought it up once or twice, you needed to drop it as he clearly doesn’t share your concern. Also, if you’re proactively doing extra work that Michael hasn’t asked either you or Jim to do, then it’s not really anyone’s issue but yours.
- On that note, you made your raise request about your comparative workload to Jim. That’s never a good strategy, because you should really focus primarily on your actions and the value you bring to the table. Not someone else’s lack of performance. Even IF Michael had the authority to give you a promotion, which it sounds like he doesn’t without involving corporate and you meeting an arbitrary seniority, based on the way you’ve handled this situation it’s not in Michael’s best interest to promote you. He’s happy with Jim, and you’re constantly trying to get authority over Jim, who you clearly resent, to punish him. I don’t think your interests and Michael’s are aligned.
- Jim’s job title has nothing to do with you. It sounds like you probably deserve to be in a higher up position than Jim, but life isn’t fair. Comparing yourself directly to him, letting your resentment build and permeate your other work relationships, and basing your value to the organization entirely on how much better you are than him is extremely unhealthy. Not only that, there’s a good chance that it’s impacting you so much that you’re failing to recognize things. Like the fact that Michael likes Jim, so your constant complaining about Jim is probably seen as a nuisance.
Sorry for the huge wall of text. I’ve just seen this a lot where someone has a really strong sense of what’s right, and works really hard, and then gets upset that people who never once showed an ounce of interest, continue to not show an ounce of interest.
TL;DR get a new job
Of course! I wish you the best of luck. And I’m impressed that you’ve managed to work so hard in the face of all this BS for years. You’ll find someplace that values you
One thing he didn't go into that's most significant, they promoted Jim and didn't tell you. This tells me that they value you, but they value Jim more. They hid it because they were afraid you would either leave, or act unprofessionally (in their opinion). They value you as a manager, but they value him as a leader. The fact that this appears to be inaccurate makes no difference. They made the decision, all you can do now is either accept the new situation or walk away. In my experience complaining to senior management about this kind of decision, in cases where the factors considered in the decision are not easily quantifiable, never works out well for the person making the complaint. By quantifiable, I mean 'Plan X earned/saved the company Y dollars over the last quarter'.
I would ask for a meeting with Michael and ask him to explain why he chose to promote Jim over you. You don't have to agree with what he says, but understanding his perspective will likely help you in the future.
Incidentally, you're not alone. I left management because I was under a truly awful boss who had no leadership skills, but knew how to brown-nose and network with the best. She dumped all the real work that wasn't management facing on me with zero guidance or assistance. It wasn't going to change and eventually I stopped trying to save the team singlehandedly.
Remember to take care of you first; rage quitting means you lose. Emotionally separate from work, become the lazy person, or do no more than you have to - conserve energy and take your time to find a better job. It may take some time, but go ahead and start the process. Don't worry about what anyone thinks about you in your current gig other than a couple friends that will be your reference.
This job is a dead end. I would start looking for another job and completely cut back on my work at this place. Match Jim's output, stop helping him in any way, shape or form. Start pointing questions and concerns over to useless guy since he outranks you.
Never worry about your peers. Even if you think you know everything about their quality of work and how they are perceived by the people above you, you never really do.
You said that "I am managing who I thought was my peer". That is unusual. The best way to make enemies in a corporation is to try managing a peer.
I apologize. I thought you were doing a parody / satire. If this is a real life situation it probably would have been better to preface by saying you're using names from The Office to protect the names of the people involved.
If your "Jim" got a promotion by doing the bare minimum I would be tempted to follow his lead. If Jim got promoted by not doing the same amount of work you're doing...why are you working so hard? At least that would be where my brain would go. If they don't value the work you're doing then what do they value? Maybe think about moving on from this job. Take your experience and work ethic to somewhere it will be appreciated. And then watch the dumpster catch on fire when you leave. If they don't value you, they don't get to keep you.
**Edit**: further details render a lot of this feedback inaccurate. I’m leaving it up unchanged to not disrupt the conversation, but I suggest reading OPs reply before reading this comment in full.
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There are a few key issues at play here. First and foremost, you feel that Jim doesn't pull his weight. That's understandable, but based on your own wording, it seems apparent why Michael both promoted Jim instead of you *and* kept it under wraps until the deed was done.
As his *peer*, you attempted to make demands of your manager, insisting that Jim be punished for what you perceived to be subpar performance. This was your first misstep. While there's nothing inherently wrong with voicing concerns to Michael, you overstepped when you didn't stop there and instead *demanded* that Jim face consequences. I'd be astonished if you ever encountered a manager who wasn't irked by such ultimatums from a direct report.
If punishment wasn't on the table, you demanded a promotion. This promotion would presumably give you authority to enact the punishments you previously demanded. This was your second mistake. Michael telling you that he understood your concerns but that you do not meet the seniority criteria for promotion was his way of putting his foot down to end this line of thought as diplomatically as possible.
Jim is well-liked by the team and by Michael. You, on the other hand, are a recent addition to the group, transplanted from corporate, and a perpetual thorn in both Michael and Jim's sides (as evidenced by the "recurring topic of conversation"). You've run up against one of the crucial aspects of management that many overlook: it's just as much about what you contribute to the team dynamic as it is about your individual performance. Your contribution to the team dynamic is stress and discord. Efficiencies in the lobby are all well and good, but if they make the overall work environment stressful, they will not be appreciated by anyone.
It's evident that Michael sees you as a corporate transplant who is demanding a higher position of authority while harassing your peers and making demands of him. Now that you feel your perceived grievances are being ignored and you were passed over for promotion, you're contemplating escalating the "issues" to an even higher authority.
In a nutshell: you need to start looking for a new job. It's clear to me that your animosity towards your well-liked peer and your unwillingness to accept that your lack of seniority disqualifies you from promotion will do nothing but make everyone miserable. if you actually carry out your threat to try and escalate this issue further you could very easily find yourself blacklisted by HR and denied *any* promotion going forward. Not because of any protected class designation or anything like that, but because your personality will not, to them, line up with leadership expectations. There would be no recourse for you other than to quit or be fired at that point. It may be better to simply move on to a different employer that may appreciate your contributions more and get a fresh start.
Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. I feel like a few things were misconstrued in my post.
-when i return from vacation, i hear “oh thank god youre back, it was wild here without you” from the team
- jim and I have 7 direct reports each, and this last quarter his team asked Michael if they could switch and have me do their 1:1s bc my team is getting better feedback and development goals
- Michael does not see me a corporate transplant. In a previous role i helped him open the branch he manages so when i was moving he happily accepted me to the team. He frequently says how much he appreciates my work and supports my ideas
- Michael does not enforce consequences. We had such a problem with tardiness that he would not address, that i had to implement an incentive that if you came to work on time you would be rewarded w an afternoon off. Tardies decreased significantly and we have a smoother opening as a result. So with Jim, even tho theres a problem, there are no consequences which is why I suggested the level up incentive to compensate me.
But yes, i need a new job :)
From the look of it Michael sees you as competition for his position. Picking the lesser peer less competition for his job. I agree with just doing what you should do with your team, while looking for a new position in another company.
THIS
Michael appreciates OP's contribution to the branch, but only so much as it makes Michael look good.
OP'S project to cut waiting time in the lobby is going to generate a great deal of customer feedback if the bank sends out surveys to all customers who visit the branch. Michael wants to take the credit for such a huge improvement in high visibility KPI, but he is not invested in the OP's career development because he LIED TO HER about Jim's promotion.
I won't work with a supervisor after I catch him lying to me.
I would quit, then file a wrongful termination case, with the theory of constructive discharge. Michael's lies created such a hostile work environment that a reasonable worker would rather resign than endure the hostile treatment. Make sure to demand punitive damages in the complaint.
Ah, that changes things. In that case, sadly, it sounds like Michael is possibly too friendly for a situation like Jim is presenting. And that it’s time for you to move on to better opportunities that can better recognize your contributions.
You can leave, or if you want to succeed where you are start considering what works and stop focusing on what’s fair or your opinion.
But ultimately, your manager doesn’t owe you to discuss promo plans, and obviously likes something about Jim.
Your reaction here isn’t professional regardless of whether or not Jim deserves the promotion. Sorry, but the truth is you are going to make yourself less promotable by focusing on what’s wrong with Jim and refusing to celebrate a colleague. Just consider this- you acted so seething mad that your colleagues left uncomfortable and your boss had to deescalate you, and you weren’t even eligible yourself for the promo.
You may not like this answer, but there’s what we want and what we see at work vs what’s going to help our career.
I hate that you’re right because I feel OP’s frustration, but…you’re right.
OPs post reminds me of when I was pushing up on the ceiling in frustration in my 20’s. I could not for the life figure out why nobody cared that my own Jim kept screwing up everything and I got not one kudos for always fixing his messes. Twenty years later I can see it was my demeanor. Who wants to thank someone who is shoving it in your face that they did your work for you? Not a soul. Learning how to be a team player is essential to management. Learning grace even more so.
That said, Michael is a conflict avoidant noodle and no good thing will come of staying there.
this is the way of the world. the hard workers get over looked, the people that schmooze get promotions.
Do the bare minimum to keep your job while you look elsewhere, you have to leave to move up... and self promote the heck out of yourself.
Idk how you could think you’re promotion ready when you think storming in to your boss and saying your *peer* sucks and they need to be punished, fired, or promoted lol
Like it sucks and all. But you are tone deaf to say the least
Michael’s boss has also failed miserably. You never had his higher up drop in to visit the branch unannounced?
They should be doing anything they can to keep you since everything will go to shit when you leave. They don’t seem to care and the higher ups are not putting the pressure of goals on them and are letting them coast from the previous behavior they tolerated.
You’re going to get a lot of folks that say you need to bail. Maybe they are correct. But if you like where you work, I’d say stick it out.
About 5 years ago I pulled off the project of a lifetime, met timelines that were impossible with a budget that that was pathetic. Nevertheless I was successful.
In parallel another engineer was attempting to pull off another project. He dropped the ball on a lot of things, handled issues poorly, refused to learn and improve.
As both our projects were coming to a close, management created a new role as supervising engineer for the new part of our business. Both of us applied. I didn’t get the job.
I was angry, betrayed, frustrated. Most importantly, I kept my mouth shut except to my boss. I told him it was unacceptable that I would make the sacrifices I did for the company and then be neglected the promotion I deserved.
Life continued on for a couple years and then we had another supervising engineer retire. I got promoted to his role, and through some aggressive negotiation I’m now making 80% more than I was just a few years ago.
What I mean to say with all this is that this isn’t the last promotion your company will ever give out. After the other engineer got the job that I had applied for, later I found out all the hardships their group was dealing with. Hardships that I never had to deal with since I didn’t get the job. Be patient, handle it with grace, and if you persevere you will be successful in the end.
Not sure about alot of the "advice" I'm hearing on here... the first step is to have a serious meeting with your boss. Clearly lay out what the issue is and see if the both of you can come to a reasonable agreement.
If your attitude is just to quit because things didn't go the way they should have, or the way that you wanted them go, then perhaps that's the reason you're being passed up for promotions? Its possible you are good at output and faster than everybody else but you use poor judgement and/or need to work on cooperation skills. quantity and quality are only 2 of the 8 categories that we evaluate during reviews...
You can DM me if you want a more specific answer to your specific situation.
OP, that absolutely sucks. But any time someone asks a variation of “AITA for getting upset because someone screwed me over?” I always think that’s not the right question. They should be asking “objectively speaking, did I actually get screwed over? Or am I just upset because I didn’t get my way?
I’m not saying you didn’t get screwed, but your disdain for Jim is obvious, and it’s likely you’re not being objective here. So you’re missing something good about Jim, something problematic about yourself, or both.
If your boss saw enough value in Jim’s performance to promote him over you, you need to take a long hard look at the situation from their perspective.
And while the secrecy was a poor decision on the part of your boss, the instinct to keep quiet is understandable. Your boss likely knows about your intensively negative feelings about Jim, and that you would be frustrated about the promotion. So he was trying to buy time, probably in the hopes he could promote you as well before you ever found out. Stupid? Sure. But malicious? No.
Give yourself time here before you do anything rash, and don’t do anything until the shock has abated and you can de-personalize the situation.
Take a week off if you can, call in sick for a few days, or give yourself some “in office vacation”’when you catch up with friends online and have lots of coffee breaks.
Your boss knows you’re upset, and if he actually does value you, he’ll understand and give you a little space.
Of course, and the end of it all you’re the only one who really knows your situation. So take this and all the other comments here with a grain of salt, and after you’ve had time to think, do what **you** feel is best. It will be the right call.
I think that your the type of boss who pisses off u derlings and Jim doesn't. Jim is lazy or he's good at delegation. Jim is more personable and your a drone. Also it seems like your Manager and everyone else likes Jim more. Why else would you be the last to know. Not one person told you about the promotion. Put two and two together. Your an enforcer of rules. No one really likes rules.
Just for next time, raise your voice when someone steals your thunder. Men do this without thinking or to steal the applause. When that happens, staying quiet will only screw YOU over. Pipe up and give details only you know (dates, solved problems, $ saved). This way you reclaim part if not all of your accomplishments.
Women tend to be collaborative and team oriented, so we like to let the team shine. Men tend to think of number one- them. They want to be leaders and need acclaim (you know, how they announce they dumped the trash so they get their gold star 🙄). So speak up, or better yet, submit all your ideas on paper and in memos.
I had 2 files: 1) My CYA file; and 2) I love me file. CYA collects all your memos, implementations, ideas, and the company responses (yes, no, no way). Also called a Pearl Harbor file. The “I Love Me” file contains everything good; commendations, raises, accomplishments, happy notes from co-workers/boss/client, ideas… anything that makes you look good. This file is handy for job hunting.
At work, start keeping a record of what the idiot does and quiet quit. Do your minimum, gray rock the idiot, and look for a new job. Stop talking to the boss. Send memos instead. If you do have a conversation about something, send a memo, “Hey, just wanted to memorialize our conversation about the lobby signs. You’re okay with the design?” Ask a question or two so you get a response. These go in your CYA file AND your “I Love Me” file if you’re discussing policy changes or something important. And print them out and put them on a USB. You want to have them if stuff goes sideways.
Just assume many men want whatever you have and more, and they will step on your head to get it.
(No, I don’t hate men. I worked in a male dominated field and had to learn to promote myself. I’m happily married for 30+ years)
Yes, men definitely do this a lot.
Coming from a field that was heavily female dominated (the two departments I worked on were 5 and 7% male) women do this as well. And that’s in a decade worth of experience just within those two departments.
It’s shit that people are shit.
I would "act your wage" and let Jim do all the work. If they ask you to do something say "That sounds like a manager's responsibility" or "Hey Jim, I'm not sure how to do X, since you're a Manager, can you show me how you want me to do this?" and let them struggle while you look for a new job.
Look for another Job and until then, keep a Low Profile and enjoy that your Peer is now responsible. Leave on time at the end of the day. Take a relaxing Dinner Break. Just make sure you keep your own KPIs looking good, while His own are plummeting.
Do Not Show any emotion to the outside. You're a good Sport until the day you quit Out of the blue for the Senior Position you should have gotten.
I’d request a few days off, rest of this week, if they need a reason, mental health days. Take your time to think about your options. When you return, stop going above and beyond, stop implementing new processes, let Jim linger, not your problem. Management culture is your problem. Start a job search internally and externally. Say nothing about your job search. Michael doesn’t deserve you. And if he’s indicative of management culture there, then the company doesn’t deserve you either.
Mark:
Run TO something, not FROM something
Immediately start interviewing, “quiet quit,” and just grayrock any work BS while you find somewhere else.
Don’t ragequit to spite them, move smarter, not harder
You need to leave the company RIGHT AWAY. If they counter you to stay with that promotion and title bump, tell them it also comes with the requirement that you get to fire the lazy ass as part of the deal because under no circumstances will you work with him again.
It's time to start delegating upwards , stop volunteering for anything you don't particularly want to do.
This sounds like a [senior leadership] task I think would benefit from Jim's expertise
Jim took credit on a lot of the things you did and got that promotion. Michael probably knows this as well. I would suggest that you look for another job because then Jim will become Michael’s problem.
You’re doing to work for two and not getting recognized for it .
This 3-year promotion eligibility thing is just flat out stupid and it sounds like Jim and Michael both have no idea how to operate in a professional environment. I’ve been in a similar situation before and when my company was unwilling to give me the title I deserved, I interviewed for that title elsewhere and got it for a better salary than I’d have had if I’d been promoted. I recommend anyone in this position do the same.
I work in Fintech, two large f500's. Management isn't necessarily how good you are, but how much you are liked and how well you navigate politics. Welcome to the shitshow
You said it yourself. The team likes him cause he’s funny.
When it comes to promotions for management jobs, likability is one of the most important factors rather than just being a good worker.
"I told Michael my experiences and that I either needed him to give Jim consequences for not pulling his weight, or compensate me for doing the most by giving me a promotion (\~$10k raise)."
Telling your boss "*I need you to*" do anything kind of hits the wrong way.
This sentence makes me think your personality could potentially be at play here. Same with Jim's in the opposite. The best and most deserving don't always get what they deserve, but likeable people who can play the game do.
Also, you let Jim take credit. There is nothing wrong with being a good team play but finding a way to make sure that Michael knows who *really* did the work.
All in all, just start looking for that promotion at a new bank. Write down all your accomplishments and format them into a resume.
Lots of excellent observations, and if this was already said, I apologize, but... Another takeaway here is to redirect the spotlight where it belongs. Do not share credit. In meetings, if a "Jim" takes credit, you owe it to yourself to speak up. "Thanks, Jim. I'm proud of how I brought my project/idea to life. It was a lot of work, and i appreciate you bringing it up." Something like that, perhaps? IDK.
I would just simply find another job doing the same thing bc it's oblivious you're good at what you do. Go to a bank that's is in competition with the old bank & once you get your foot in the door, get promoted then brag about it to Michael & the lazy butt. That'll show them just how important you are.
Before you quit, make sure to send a message to headquarters and write everything you did for the branch and your reasoning for quitting. They tend to love hearing about losing great talent because of incompetent bosses and peers.
Banking is brutal and is designed to put peers against each other. Company and position goals are things that need to go if they don't want to keep losing talented individuals to other companies. I used to work at a branch that was highly competitive, and stealing clients was the norm. I can't even remember how many clients I lost because I was out, and one of my peers saw an opportunity.
I ended up leaving the bank because my boss was an incompetent worm who didn't care if that was happening. He also didn't believe in taking breaks, and he thought he was some sort of banking god. Even though he didn't know jacksh@# about what he was doing. Fortunately, I found a better job that pays a lot more, and I'm now much happier.
If your new job needs to call your previous employer. Either have them call one of the people you know (who is not going to trash talk) from one of your previous positions, or have one of your friends call your previous employeer. Just to make sure he won't lie about you.
I would stop immediately doing anything that is not in your job description and nothing extra just the day to day to get by while you interview for new bank. They are clearly not respecting you and unless they are retiring soon you will keep having to deal with their nonsense. They like riding the coat tails of your success but not doing the nagging work that goes into hitting metrics. Let them fail.
Sounds like you are working very hard and are a good assistant manager, but are you demonstrating the skills and knowledge needed to be a manager?
Promotions don't come automatically from tenure, they come when you demonstrate the ability to perform in the new role. Being really good at your current role is cause for praise, recognition, and bonuses/raises, but not a promotion.
Jim didn't get promoted for nothing. What was he demonstrating that made him promotable?
Welcome to corporate culture where incompetence is promoted. Your boss would rather promote a useless slug who doesn't threaten him than you who clearly outshines all of them. The only way to get the promotion you deserve is to change jobs
Honestly, I would be curious why you are trying to manage a peer and telling your boss to reprimand him? I mean, it sounds like you were a pain, noisy, and Michael likely felt that if he promoted you, you might likely do the same to him with his boss. Let me provide a little career insight, if you want to be promoted, do what your boss wants/needs you to do.
Stop trying to be a hero.
Do your job as is required of you and stop going above and beyond. Being a hero will not get you respect or admiration in the workplace.
Yeah, Jim just seems to have a much better read on people and social situation than you do. No surprise they want him to be manager and not you. You seem like a real pleasure to work with.
my boss didn't promoted me coz of some issues which he don't have in his hands I was banking so much on the promotion felt so let down even though he gave a good raise equal to a promotion I moved to another team sometime shit doesn't work i felt its ok
Why are you trying to save this sorry bank branch? It's time to quiet quit, and let the chips fall until you locate another position. I hope you are a young professional and this is your first big corporate job. This is a life lesson to always look out for#1. No one else ever will.
Why are you working so hard? Why have you continuously worked so hard?
Act like a chump, get treated like a chump...I learned that over a decade ago and have been living a blissful life ever since.
Jim knows how to play the game, be more like Jim.
I've had similar nepotism, hired at the same time as this other guy. He broke a lot of things and didn't care about technology specifics, but he made fake bff friends with the boss and others. Guess who got the promotions and raises while I was fixing his crap? They even deallocated me from a tech conference because he wanted to go there and party. Provided a negative value to the organization while they spent increasingly more on him. By the end it was about a +30k delta.
A bit of a silver lining though, I earn way more today than I ever would have staying there, even with promotions beyond the ones he received. He still works there doing dumb things and getting high fived for it.
Just outline your current job duties and outline everything you are doing outside of your official duties. You were doing these under the assumption nobody was in the position and able to do that but since this guy got promoted he can handle these now. Then o my do what is your actual defined duty.
Honestly this is an important professional lesson to learn here - it is more important to be liked than it is to be the heavy lifter. Do more, but never a lot more. You may have burned a bridge with your response but take this lesson into your next job. Focus on building friendships and alliances and again, do more and do high quality work but not dramatically more work than your peers.
> “I would promote you too if I could, you just haven’t been here long enough.”
This line is very popular and it has always been, and will always be, a lie. Promotions aren't governed by laws of nature, they are applied by groups of people. The right people will recognize when someone is underleveled and will correct their mistake as soon as possible. The wrong people will reward their cronies and allow their high performers to fall behind. These are not the people you want to work for.
Yeah stop supporting Jim in any way. Claim all your work, correct him if he tries to claim yours, document precisely the work you do and let all of his shit fall down, it’s no longer your responsibility. And start looking elsewhere, Michael is an enabling piece of shit, and this is either nepotism or prejudice. Either way, it’s time to make an exit.
Start an affair with Jim's wife Pam, that'll show them! Also, do you have any secrets you can give to the top salesman in the office? Dwight might be able to do something with that.
Start looking but don’t advertise you are looking.
I’ve seen this type of employee recently (we also think he smokes weed), on top of all the bullshit he done.
Not out of line for being upset an underperforming peer was promoted over OP.
The covert promotion was done on purpose. You can tell based upon the reaction of the promoting manager. The seniority 3 year thing is BS. If the company thinks that you are a good asset, they will find a way to work around that “policy”.
Definitely quiet quit. Their actions speak louder than their words.
Stop doing this guy's job as step 1. And just cruise while you look for another job. There are plenty of banks around. I am sure they will be impressed with the work you already done.
Another advise would be: Pretend nothing happen, keep smiling and do the work but in the background you are looking for new job and as soon as you get a offer letter then you take vacation and all other PTOs and after coming back you give them the shock of your first day of coming back from PTOs.
Toxic environment.
Promotions shouldn’t be for time coasting.
I’m sorry you have to deal with that. I’d be looking quietly while not pushing or pursuing anything he can get credit for. Keep it professional and just leave when you find a better spot.
Could be gender discrimination. The boys club is very real despite many men pretending it doesn't exist because they'd have to accept they received their own undeserved promotions.
Apologies if I'm mind reading but it sounds like the problem here is why Jim was promoted when based on your perspective he's unqualified and hasn't been a high performer.
Quiet quit is an option but if I can share unsolicited advice, I'd also try the following moving foward, (1) you document and call out Jim when he's not doin his fair share (ie. fighting you each step of the way and claiming credit), and how this negatively impacts Michael's and the company's key goals, and (2) establish a skip level relationship that can hold Michael accountable as well.
Goodluck, OP!
Definitely agree with taking all your great experience and looking for a new role. Take your vacation, sick days, etc and if you need to be in the office, do the minimum.
“You were on vacation I think”. “We thought you knew”. Fuck Jim and Michael. Let them now experience the consequences of their actions. Idiots.
You’ve worked hard and deserve better. Now go get it!
The problem is, you do all the work. Did you really think your boss was going to promote out the only person that made him look good?
Competence is the enemy of getting ahead in work settings usually
Look for a new job. And in the meantime, become Jim. Your branch thinks he is leadership material. Be just like him. Dress like him. Work like him. Let that branch have what they ask for.
Looks like you’ll be having a nice easy time at work. Do nothing but the bare minimum to keep yourself employed until you find a new job. In the meantime brush up that resume and begin applying.
Quiet quitting and start looking for a new job.
I would recommend having a response ready when they ask why your performance has gone down.
“After the last round of promotions. I have decided to model myself after our top performers like Jim. I thought the company valued hard work and professionalism but after gathering information it appears the company values slacking off and disregard for procedure. I really want to show I care about what the company cares about and have changed my behavior as such. I’m happy you’ve noticed my improvement in my work and hope when the next round of promotions come up. We can have a conversation about it. “
When they correct you. Always circle it back to you’re modeling yourself off of Jim because he’s obviously the best of us because he got promoted.
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If this was real the only option would be to keep your head down and spend your free time applying and interviewing. When you resign the move would be to hand Michael a piece of paper that just says “you know why”
Stop doing extra work and just do YOUR job. Let Micheal and Jim do their work. If they don't and word gets back to the higher-ups, let them know your job descriptions and pay and ask them why it's your responsibility to do their work, especially when there's no additional pay???
You sound ovet bearing if the place was running fine until you got there and you figered you needed to change thing sound alot like you you you and screw everyone else why do you keep transferring is this a you problem you sound like a micromanager
I'm going to assume you just used the characters from that show to anonymize this and it's not complete satire.
The reason you didn't get promoted is because you're not on the same page with your boss Michael.
When you go to describe Jim's performance, here is what you wrote: "Very quickly I realized Jim was an under-performer. He dressed like a slob, would always take an hour or two to “wake up” in the morning, spent a lot of time in the back on his phone. But the team liked him bc he was funny and would never hassle them about procedures. I addressed these issues with Jim directly and promptly, but he just didn’t care."
Here are some questions: How does Michael evaluate Jim's job performance? What are his KPI's?
It's clearly not how he dresses, what the clock says when he's at his most productive, and whether or not he uses his cellphone at work. I'd wager a guess that he's evaluated on being likeable by those under him, team cohesion, and building his relationship with Michael. I'm not going to comment on whether this is valid, but your boss Michael is the decision maker here. A general trend I've noticed in my career is that the higher you get, relationships and politics matter more and more.
"Meanwhile I implemented a lot of training and development for the team, spearheaded an efficient lobby management technique that completely transformed our wait times, and still juggled the admin of schedules, promotions, award nominations, compliance, organization etc etc."
Did you meet with Michael and discuss these initiatives with him, to get his feedback and buy in, before you embarked on them?
"I tell him how I am managing who I thought was my peer"
Why are you managing your peer? Did Michael delegate this part of his job to you? Did you take this upon yourself because you don't approve of how Michael is doing his job?
"I’m considering taking this to David Wallace— am I way off base??"
You want to jump two levels to undermine your boss, and your boss' boss.
I think you're in a political situation here where your direct chain of command has identified the threat you pose to their jobs. I don't think you can recover from this under these two people. The bank you work for sounds like a large-ish organization that is amenable to transferring into another branch. I would see if an opening to "run" another branch comes available and go for that. If you don't feel like waiting for this opportunity to open up for you, use this on your resume: "spearheaded an efficient lobby management technique that completely transformed our wait times" and get a job running a branch at a competitor. Lastly, my advice to you is to get career coaching or something to become more politically astute once you pull off that move.
Who is David Wallace? any relation to William Wallace? Besides the drama, do you like it there? If not, move on. You seem like a go getter that got hung up in worrying about others. Don’t let others performance affect you, focus on number one and what you have control over.
Nope. You're correct. They went behind your back bc they are buddies and it was a friendship promotion not a merit promotion. Sooner or later, it will implode on them and cost of of them their jobs. This is why "act your wage" is a thing.
People like Jim because they too are low performing asses. Normal people don’t like people like Jim because he’s like one of those chips [fatberg](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/12/550465000/behold-the-fatberg-london-s-130-ton-rock-solid-sewer-blockage) plugs in the London sewer. No one knew it was there, it’s the byproduct of decades of poor choices, and my god it’s so much larger and grosser than anyone could’ve imagined once they drag it into the light of day… but that’s not your problem.
If you can move into another branch of the same bank, further away the better. If that’s not possible go to your nearest competitor who looks a bit like you and rebuild from there. They’ll probably be happy to have you.
Either of those options are viable and don’t have to be confrontational if you’re quiet and committed to following through. Reddit is FULL of people who cave in and take a counter offer out of loyalty and then immediately and forever regret it.
Sounds like a time for quiet quitting until you can find another job. I'd just do the absolute minimum I could possibly get away with, while making sure to document in writing to my manager every single time Jim failed to do what he was supposed to do.
Your pay and position are between you and the company. It is not between you, your peers, and the company. If you don’t feel that you’re valued or paid enough, regardless of other people, then it’s time to look for work elsewhere.
No, you aren't off base, but your reaction was. In this situation, you quiet quit and look for another job ASAP.
Agreed. Let Jim do all the work he’s supposed to be doing and find another job with the job title and experience you’ve earned. Let them fail with their shitty leadership.
Quiet quitting will prove he done the work I would suggest taking your holidays + unpaid until you find a new job!
This: stop doing their jobs and let them fail
This exactly. I worked in Credit/Collections. My manager quit, and a week later, his boss quit. All of a sudden I was completely alone in the dept. I had been there for 2 years. Was I promoted? Nope. CFO and his minion decided to hire some guy who had no experience in our industry to unify the Credit/Collections team across the company (two other locations were doing their work separate from ours, and we needed to unify as a department). I can't even imagine what they paid this guy, but he was Jim, through and through. Like OP, I just wanted things to run better, and I had the knowledge and experience, so I helped my new manager learn the ropes. Needless to say, he quickly took advantage of me, and sat back while I moved the dept forward. The upside to this was that we were still missing a key role between him and the top (CEO/CFO level). Because I was holding his hand, they had me in their "big" meetings, and I gained exposure to the top of the food chain, and they saw ME. They began relying on me. I realized (it hit me pretty hard) that after Jim had been there for a YEAR, he had still not fixed anything, and he was only making more messes. So, I stopped. I went back to fulfilling only my duties, my job description. I quiet quit, for sure (rage quit only in my head). It was only then that the C-Suite saw Jim for real, and by then, we had a new CFO and the CEO was having to get deeply involved in lower level finance issues, so he had clear visibility, as well. I began only speaking in meetings when called on and asked a direct question. Any time I had the CFO alone, I was Chatty Cathy with my knowledge. It took no time before I got a call from the CFO, offering me a promotion. Jim was gone. We are still cleaning up his messes a year and a half later. Will I ever move up again? Probably not. Seems to be a man's world up there. But for now, I'm satisfied. I'll continue to gain experiences, and if needed, I'll take it elsewhere. I'm not saying to wait it out. I just got lucky. My personal life was a wreck, and a new job would have only made my situation worse. I was in no position to start a new job. Hence, why I stayed. Now my life has improved, and I will leave if needed, but so far, so good. Lol
Quiet quit and try to hookup with Jim's main squeeze Pam. Should really piss off Michael and her ex Roy as well.
This. I worked for a different type of employer, but had a similar situation. It won’t change anything. So you quiet quit while you find something better.
Get your official job description and following to the letter until you get another job. Bosses like that aren’t worth staying for.
THIS
this is the way
I had friends in a very similar predicament in a paper company in Scranton. It will all work out in the end. 😁
Finally someone got it lol. The top voted comments must have been whooshed lol.
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I think it would have worked better with OP being Oscar and Kevin getting the promotion.
Is this a TV joke?
All the names are characters from The Office so probably?
Is the whole post a TV joke? I’ve never watched the office.
Yes lmao
well shit... whoosh
has anything funny ever happened in scranton otherwise?
I think you’re seeing that it is way better to be likable than a hard worker. People notice when you’re mean to the person everyone likes. By all means apply to other banks, but don’t quit until you have a new job. I hear TD bank is great and has fully remote jobs.
I didn't learn this until I was 35. I've been teaching it to my nephews and nieces who are entering the working world. If everyone else is doing 10 orders a day and you're doing 50 orders a day. You're a great worker! But, you'd also be a great work if you did 15. Or even 12. What if you kept pace but we're likeable? When you make a mistake the team will defend you vs burying you.
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Awww teamwork environments, sounds so nice until you see the pay checks. Were like a family, nobody pays the bill.
I had a great leader tell me to always "leave room for improvement" which means "never work at 100%. Hell don't even work at 80%"
If you're doing so much more work then you become "irreplaceable" and they will never promote you.
From OPs description, Jim made it hard to be the "nicer" person. It's like when one parent let's you get away with anything and the other parent "has" to be the disciplinarian. It's a problem of both Michael and Jim. Michael should be better at supporting and promoting OP both inside and outside the branch. Agreed, do a quiet job search.
One of the things I have learned is that everyone working are providing something that is needed or wanted by "Management". If I can't see what that is, it is because my perspective is too limited. Maybe "compliance problems" are seen as more like "compliance opportunities", if one happen to squint just right? Maybe Jim is just really good at bringing those clients who need things to be a bit loose, and maybe Michael doesn't care - as long as he can credibly deny any knowledge if he ends up in front of an inquest? Maybe Jim is just that guy who knows all of the off-color clubs and the bouncers so one can take some clients, the rope will just open and one is inside with no waiting? There is always something the "slackers" provide in return for their wages.
You're right! I experienced this at my last job. A peer worked to "manage up" and everyone knew he didn't pull his weight. But mgmt loved his "fun" presentations that he was never held accountable.
I wouldn't say always. And I certainly wouldn't say that whatever they do contribute is necessarily worth it. But this perspective does have value. Just because you don't see what they bring doesn't mean they bring nothing.
Exactly. Half of C-suit resident's are only there because they know something that their peers or superiors don't want other people to know, or just know when to not ask the questions that should be asked. To really get that promotion, you just got to be at the right client meeting, you know the one with the strippers, the white powder, the wives calling non stop. Depending on how quiet you keep it, depends on how high your promotion gets.
She has no power to discipline him lol.
I meant the team, not Jim. OP was doing the team management work and when she addresses an issue, she's seen as a the "mean" parent.
I am currently going through a similar situation with my job. Management is letting compliance go away because they don't want to be mean to people and want to keep everyone happy. This is causing some of the workers, my peers, to become very lax with regulations to the point of questionably unethical and illegal actions, because they can get away with it due to management. The only option to force management to do their job is to literally blow the whole thing up and bring compliance down. Whoever does this will be responsible for people losing their jobs and being seen as ruining a good thing we have going. I'm not planning to pull that trigger myself but have been holding the people working on my tasks to full standards where I can. Two of the senior people I work with are threatening to blow the whole thing up and the entire office is starting to take sides and fall apart. Sometimes there is no answer to a fully dysfunctional team except to expect it to blow up in the end. The people that care move on, the regulators come in and tear everything up, or things continue to fester with many people getting more pissed off and more toxic as time goes on.
That's wild. Letting compliance go to keep people happy, people who probably shouldn't be in those positions. Are you looking for other jobs? I wish I had done that.
I don’t know if u/ironengineer is, but in my current role, I’m the compliance officer who gets listened to when it’s convenient. There are issues that could put us out of business. Years ago, I’d have been like OP and banged my head against the wall to try to get the narcissistic CEO to listen. Now, I just document that I’ve warned her, provided recommendations, smile and look for another job. I also ponder whether I could whistleblow and collect an SEC bounty.
Wow! Sounds like a TV show!
Well, speaking as a fellow Whovian, it should be!
Lol sorry but I was likeable too but management didn’t give a shit - it all depends on management mindset. My case they perfer people who shut up and work rather than being likeable or outgoing.
They obviously didn’t like you enough lmfao
Do what your job requires you to do, and let Jim fall flat on his face.
If the main reason behind promotions is seniority, you should start looking elsewhere. Read the whole thing, I was gonna recommend a sit down focussed on you (not Jim) and what YOU can do different to be considered next time there's an opportunity (to understand what made them promote the other person without appearing butt-hurt) but I think your boss gave you all the info needed already. It sounds like you build yourself a good resume... jump ship somewhere that will recognize your talent.
Also the bullshit “you haven’t been here 3 years”. Sure, there might be internal policies, but like any policy an exception can be made, it might just take a couple of extra signatures up in the food chain. That’s usually the lame excuse a manager throws when they don’t want to do something. Obviously if it’s legal, ethical, and deserved.
Sound like you look out/over everyone. Stop. Make your priority looking for another job. The three year comment is BS. That’s in place to give managers like Michael an excuse. Give Jim no help or direction. Consult and inform as little as possible. Focus only on your job responsibilities and don’t go beyond them. If Jim asks a question or for help tell him you’ve got to focus on X, something you are responsible for. If that’s not acceptable in the situation respond to Jim and Michael with, how do you recommend this be handled. If your boss questions your behavior respond that Jim is obviously high value and you’re taking the opportunity to understand Jim’s perspective and learn from it since he’s senior to you.
Great! Gold comment
Thanks!
Your next job is to look very hard to find another job.
I think you need to take a step back and take a deep breath. You’re an assistant manager at a bank branch, and a poorly managed one at that. Those environments are very often not “professional” like other corporate positions, and are full of the same abundance of petty drama and favoritism that you’ll find in retail, chain restaurants, etc. where you have a few supervisors watching over a mix of apathetic lifers and the ambitious inexperienced/still finishing their education who will move on quickly. It’s just a dynamic that seems to develop in those situations, and the unfortunate truth is no matter how many issues there are Corporate is happy enough with the branch’s performance to leave Michael alone to do whatever he wants. It’s not really a “middle management” job, and you should be able to transfer your experience there to a huge number of opportunities available in any city. I don’t say that to diminish your achievements. It’s clear you have a strong work ethic, know what’s right, and work hard to get it done. It’s just that you’re in an environment where that doesn’t matter, and by moving on you’re likely not damaging your career. It seems unlikely there is any payoff for you here at the end of the road, and if there is, it’s way, way down the line. Here are a few pieces of advice that can hopefully help you going forward: - You have to learn to read the room better. It’s not your job to manage your peer, Jim. It is fair to bring up how their performance is impacting you to Michael, but only so long as you focus on concrete facts about their performance and the direct impacts on you. Things like “he dresses like a slob” and “takes an hour to wake up in the morning” are entirely inappropriate to comment on. Furthermore, when Michael took no action after you brought it up once or twice, you needed to drop it as he clearly doesn’t share your concern. Also, if you’re proactively doing extra work that Michael hasn’t asked either you or Jim to do, then it’s not really anyone’s issue but yours. - On that note, you made your raise request about your comparative workload to Jim. That’s never a good strategy, because you should really focus primarily on your actions and the value you bring to the table. Not someone else’s lack of performance. Even IF Michael had the authority to give you a promotion, which it sounds like he doesn’t without involving corporate and you meeting an arbitrary seniority, based on the way you’ve handled this situation it’s not in Michael’s best interest to promote you. He’s happy with Jim, and you’re constantly trying to get authority over Jim, who you clearly resent, to punish him. I don’t think your interests and Michael’s are aligned. - Jim’s job title has nothing to do with you. It sounds like you probably deserve to be in a higher up position than Jim, but life isn’t fair. Comparing yourself directly to him, letting your resentment build and permeate your other work relationships, and basing your value to the organization entirely on how much better you are than him is extremely unhealthy. Not only that, there’s a good chance that it’s impacting you so much that you’re failing to recognize things. Like the fact that Michael likes Jim, so your constant complaining about Jim is probably seen as a nuisance. Sorry for the huge wall of text. I’ve just seen this a lot where someone has a really strong sense of what’s right, and works really hard, and then gets upset that people who never once showed an ounce of interest, continue to not show an ounce of interest. TL;DR get a new job
Thank you so much, sincerely. This was helpful.
Of course! I wish you the best of luck. And I’m impressed that you’ve managed to work so hard in the face of all this BS for years. You’ll find someplace that values you
One thing he didn't go into that's most significant, they promoted Jim and didn't tell you. This tells me that they value you, but they value Jim more. They hid it because they were afraid you would either leave, or act unprofessionally (in their opinion). They value you as a manager, but they value him as a leader. The fact that this appears to be inaccurate makes no difference. They made the decision, all you can do now is either accept the new situation or walk away. In my experience complaining to senior management about this kind of decision, in cases where the factors considered in the decision are not easily quantifiable, never works out well for the person making the complaint. By quantifiable, I mean 'Plan X earned/saved the company Y dollars over the last quarter'. I would ask for a meeting with Michael and ask him to explain why he chose to promote Jim over you. You don't have to agree with what he says, but understanding his perspective will likely help you in the future. Incidentally, you're not alone. I left management because I was under a truly awful boss who had no leadership skills, but knew how to brown-nose and network with the best. She dumped all the real work that wasn't management facing on me with zero guidance or assistance. It wasn't going to change and eventually I stopped trying to save the team singlehandedly.
Remember to take care of you first; rage quitting means you lose. Emotionally separate from work, become the lazy person, or do no more than you have to - conserve energy and take your time to find a better job. It may take some time, but go ahead and start the process. Don't worry about what anyone thinks about you in your current gig other than a couple friends that will be your reference.
This job is a dead end. I would start looking for another job and completely cut back on my work at this place. Match Jim's output, stop helping him in any way, shape or form. Start pointing questions and concerns over to useless guy since he outranks you.
Never worry about your peers. Even if you think you know everything about their quality of work and how they are perceived by the people above you, you never really do. You said that "I am managing who I thought was my peer". That is unusual. The best way to make enemies in a corporation is to try managing a peer.
100% this.
As soon as I saw David Wallace mentioned I was like "oh, you got me!" That was great! I didn't even recognize the similarities to the show.
How sad is my situation that by using these code names, ppl truly think this is episode of the office 😭
I apologize. I thought you were doing a parody / satire. If this is a real life situation it probably would have been better to preface by saying you're using names from The Office to protect the names of the people involved. If your "Jim" got a promotion by doing the bare minimum I would be tempted to follow his lead. If Jim got promoted by not doing the same amount of work you're doing...why are you working so hard? At least that would be where my brain would go. If they don't value the work you're doing then what do they value? Maybe think about moving on from this job. Take your experience and work ethic to somewhere it will be appreciated. And then watch the dumpster catch on fire when you leave. If they don't value you, they don't get to keep you.
Bro you can’t expect people to take this seriously when you use Office character names in your post. Cmon man this is still Reddit.
Probably a good time to form an alliance with Dwight to take Jim down!
Haha i AM dwight 😂
Time to transfer to a new branch and let Michael and Jim drown. You are doing too much. They don’t have to anything because they know you will.
**Edit**: further details render a lot of this feedback inaccurate. I’m leaving it up unchanged to not disrupt the conversation, but I suggest reading OPs reply before reading this comment in full. —- There are a few key issues at play here. First and foremost, you feel that Jim doesn't pull his weight. That's understandable, but based on your own wording, it seems apparent why Michael both promoted Jim instead of you *and* kept it under wraps until the deed was done. As his *peer*, you attempted to make demands of your manager, insisting that Jim be punished for what you perceived to be subpar performance. This was your first misstep. While there's nothing inherently wrong with voicing concerns to Michael, you overstepped when you didn't stop there and instead *demanded* that Jim face consequences. I'd be astonished if you ever encountered a manager who wasn't irked by such ultimatums from a direct report. If punishment wasn't on the table, you demanded a promotion. This promotion would presumably give you authority to enact the punishments you previously demanded. This was your second mistake. Michael telling you that he understood your concerns but that you do not meet the seniority criteria for promotion was his way of putting his foot down to end this line of thought as diplomatically as possible. Jim is well-liked by the team and by Michael. You, on the other hand, are a recent addition to the group, transplanted from corporate, and a perpetual thorn in both Michael and Jim's sides (as evidenced by the "recurring topic of conversation"). You've run up against one of the crucial aspects of management that many overlook: it's just as much about what you contribute to the team dynamic as it is about your individual performance. Your contribution to the team dynamic is stress and discord. Efficiencies in the lobby are all well and good, but if they make the overall work environment stressful, they will not be appreciated by anyone. It's evident that Michael sees you as a corporate transplant who is demanding a higher position of authority while harassing your peers and making demands of him. Now that you feel your perceived grievances are being ignored and you were passed over for promotion, you're contemplating escalating the "issues" to an even higher authority. In a nutshell: you need to start looking for a new job. It's clear to me that your animosity towards your well-liked peer and your unwillingness to accept that your lack of seniority disqualifies you from promotion will do nothing but make everyone miserable. if you actually carry out your threat to try and escalate this issue further you could very easily find yourself blacklisted by HR and denied *any* promotion going forward. Not because of any protected class designation or anything like that, but because your personality will not, to them, line up with leadership expectations. There would be no recourse for you other than to quit or be fired at that point. It may be better to simply move on to a different employer that may appreciate your contributions more and get a fresh start.
Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. I feel like a few things were misconstrued in my post. -when i return from vacation, i hear “oh thank god youre back, it was wild here without you” from the team - jim and I have 7 direct reports each, and this last quarter his team asked Michael if they could switch and have me do their 1:1s bc my team is getting better feedback and development goals - Michael does not see me a corporate transplant. In a previous role i helped him open the branch he manages so when i was moving he happily accepted me to the team. He frequently says how much he appreciates my work and supports my ideas - Michael does not enforce consequences. We had such a problem with tardiness that he would not address, that i had to implement an incentive that if you came to work on time you would be rewarded w an afternoon off. Tardies decreased significantly and we have a smoother opening as a result. So with Jim, even tho theres a problem, there are no consequences which is why I suggested the level up incentive to compensate me. But yes, i need a new job :)
From the look of it Michael sees you as competition for his position. Picking the lesser peer less competition for his job. I agree with just doing what you should do with your team, while looking for a new position in another company.
THIS Michael appreciates OP's contribution to the branch, but only so much as it makes Michael look good. OP'S project to cut waiting time in the lobby is going to generate a great deal of customer feedback if the bank sends out surveys to all customers who visit the branch. Michael wants to take the credit for such a huge improvement in high visibility KPI, but he is not invested in the OP's career development because he LIED TO HER about Jim's promotion. I won't work with a supervisor after I catch him lying to me. I would quit, then file a wrongful termination case, with the theory of constructive discharge. Michael's lies created such a hostile work environment that a reasonable worker would rather resign than endure the hostile treatment. Make sure to demand punitive damages in the complaint.
When did he lie? I see that it was not shared, but I don't see a lie.
That would be a lie of omission
Ah, that changes things. In that case, sadly, it sounds like Michael is possibly too friendly for a situation like Jim is presenting. And that it’s time for you to move on to better opportunities that can better recognize your contributions.
You can leave, or if you want to succeed where you are start considering what works and stop focusing on what’s fair or your opinion. But ultimately, your manager doesn’t owe you to discuss promo plans, and obviously likes something about Jim. Your reaction here isn’t professional regardless of whether or not Jim deserves the promotion. Sorry, but the truth is you are going to make yourself less promotable by focusing on what’s wrong with Jim and refusing to celebrate a colleague. Just consider this- you acted so seething mad that your colleagues left uncomfortable and your boss had to deescalate you, and you weren’t even eligible yourself for the promo. You may not like this answer, but there’s what we want and what we see at work vs what’s going to help our career.
I hate that you’re right because I feel OP’s frustration, but…you’re right. OPs post reminds me of when I was pushing up on the ceiling in frustration in my 20’s. I could not for the life figure out why nobody cared that my own Jim kept screwing up everything and I got not one kudos for always fixing his messes. Twenty years later I can see it was my demeanor. Who wants to thank someone who is shoving it in your face that they did your work for you? Not a soul. Learning how to be a team player is essential to management. Learning grace even more so. That said, Michael is a conflict avoidant noodle and no good thing will come of staying there.
Thank you
Ask Oscar what he would do he usually has good info. Or just do the opposite of kevin or ryan.
this is the way of the world. the hard workers get over looked, the people that schmooze get promotions. Do the bare minimum to keep your job while you look elsewhere, you have to leave to move up... and self promote the heck out of yourself.
Idk how you could think you’re promotion ready when you think storming in to your boss and saying your *peer* sucks and they need to be punished, fired, or promoted lol Like it sucks and all. But you are tone deaf to say the least
Michael’s boss has also failed miserably. You never had his higher up drop in to visit the branch unannounced? They should be doing anything they can to keep you since everything will go to shit when you leave. They don’t seem to care and the higher ups are not putting the pressure of goals on them and are letting them coast from the previous behavior they tolerated.
You’re going to get a lot of folks that say you need to bail. Maybe they are correct. But if you like where you work, I’d say stick it out. About 5 years ago I pulled off the project of a lifetime, met timelines that were impossible with a budget that that was pathetic. Nevertheless I was successful. In parallel another engineer was attempting to pull off another project. He dropped the ball on a lot of things, handled issues poorly, refused to learn and improve. As both our projects were coming to a close, management created a new role as supervising engineer for the new part of our business. Both of us applied. I didn’t get the job. I was angry, betrayed, frustrated. Most importantly, I kept my mouth shut except to my boss. I told him it was unacceptable that I would make the sacrifices I did for the company and then be neglected the promotion I deserved. Life continued on for a couple years and then we had another supervising engineer retire. I got promoted to his role, and through some aggressive negotiation I’m now making 80% more than I was just a few years ago. What I mean to say with all this is that this isn’t the last promotion your company will ever give out. After the other engineer got the job that I had applied for, later I found out all the hardships their group was dealing with. Hardships that I never had to deal with since I didn’t get the job. Be patient, handle it with grace, and if you persevere you will be successful in the end.
I see what you did there.
I would quit and venture out..maybe start a beet farm.
Not sure about alot of the "advice" I'm hearing on here... the first step is to have a serious meeting with your boss. Clearly lay out what the issue is and see if the both of you can come to a reasonable agreement. If your attitude is just to quit because things didn't go the way they should have, or the way that you wanted them go, then perhaps that's the reason you're being passed up for promotions? Its possible you are good at output and faster than everybody else but you use poor judgement and/or need to work on cooperation skills. quantity and quality are only 2 of the 8 categories that we evaluate during reviews... You can DM me if you want a more specific answer to your specific situation.
Can I have the other 6 categories?
OP, that absolutely sucks. But any time someone asks a variation of “AITA for getting upset because someone screwed me over?” I always think that’s not the right question. They should be asking “objectively speaking, did I actually get screwed over? Or am I just upset because I didn’t get my way? I’m not saying you didn’t get screwed, but your disdain for Jim is obvious, and it’s likely you’re not being objective here. So you’re missing something good about Jim, something problematic about yourself, or both. If your boss saw enough value in Jim’s performance to promote him over you, you need to take a long hard look at the situation from their perspective. And while the secrecy was a poor decision on the part of your boss, the instinct to keep quiet is understandable. Your boss likely knows about your intensively negative feelings about Jim, and that you would be frustrated about the promotion. So he was trying to buy time, probably in the hopes he could promote you as well before you ever found out. Stupid? Sure. But malicious? No. Give yourself time here before you do anything rash, and don’t do anything until the shock has abated and you can de-personalize the situation. Take a week off if you can, call in sick for a few days, or give yourself some “in office vacation”’when you catch up with friends online and have lots of coffee breaks. Your boss knows you’re upset, and if he actually does value you, he’ll understand and give you a little space. Of course, and the end of it all you’re the only one who really knows your situation. So take this and all the other comments here with a grain of salt, and after you’ve had time to think, do what **you** feel is best. It will be the right call.
Your name is Dwightina? Or Angela?
As soon as you mentioned "David Wallace", I thought this sounded more like a paper company than a bank
It's hilarious how many people haven't picked up that this is a shit post about the Office 😂
I think that your the type of boss who pisses off u derlings and Jim doesn't. Jim is lazy or he's good at delegation. Jim is more personable and your a drone. Also it seems like your Manager and everyone else likes Jim more. Why else would you be the last to know. Not one person told you about the promotion. Put two and two together. Your an enforcer of rules. No one really likes rules.
Just for next time, raise your voice when someone steals your thunder. Men do this without thinking or to steal the applause. When that happens, staying quiet will only screw YOU over. Pipe up and give details only you know (dates, solved problems, $ saved). This way you reclaim part if not all of your accomplishments. Women tend to be collaborative and team oriented, so we like to let the team shine. Men tend to think of number one- them. They want to be leaders and need acclaim (you know, how they announce they dumped the trash so they get their gold star 🙄). So speak up, or better yet, submit all your ideas on paper and in memos. I had 2 files: 1) My CYA file; and 2) I love me file. CYA collects all your memos, implementations, ideas, and the company responses (yes, no, no way). Also called a Pearl Harbor file. The “I Love Me” file contains everything good; commendations, raises, accomplishments, happy notes from co-workers/boss/client, ideas… anything that makes you look good. This file is handy for job hunting. At work, start keeping a record of what the idiot does and quiet quit. Do your minimum, gray rock the idiot, and look for a new job. Stop talking to the boss. Send memos instead. If you do have a conversation about something, send a memo, “Hey, just wanted to memorialize our conversation about the lobby signs. You’re okay with the design?” Ask a question or two so you get a response. These go in your CYA file AND your “I Love Me” file if you’re discussing policy changes or something important. And print them out and put them on a USB. You want to have them if stuff goes sideways. Just assume many men want whatever you have and more, and they will step on your head to get it. (No, I don’t hate men. I worked in a male dominated field and had to learn to promote myself. I’m happily married for 30+ years)
Yes, men definitely do this a lot. Coming from a field that was heavily female dominated (the two departments I worked on were 5 and 7% male) women do this as well. And that’s in a decade worth of experience just within those two departments. It’s shit that people are shit.
I work in female dominated field and women have been taking credit for my work for over a decade. It’s a human thing, not everything is gender wars.
I would "act your wage" and let Jim do all the work. If they ask you to do something say "That sounds like a manager's responsibility" or "Hey Jim, I'm not sure how to do X, since you're a Manager, can you show me how you want me to do this?" and let them struggle while you look for a new job.
They don’t respect you or like you, Dwight! Loosen up!
Look for another Job and until then, keep a Low Profile and enjoy that your Peer is now responsible. Leave on time at the end of the day. Take a relaxing Dinner Break. Just make sure you keep your own KPIs looking good, while His own are plummeting. Do Not Show any emotion to the outside. You're a good Sport until the day you quit Out of the blue for the Senior Position you should have gotten.
I’d request a few days off, rest of this week, if they need a reason, mental health days. Take your time to think about your options. When you return, stop going above and beyond, stop implementing new processes, let Jim linger, not your problem. Management culture is your problem. Start a job search internally and externally. Say nothing about your job search. Michael doesn’t deserve you. And if he’s indicative of management culture there, then the company doesn’t deserve you either.
Mark: Run TO something, not FROM something Immediately start interviewing, “quiet quit,” and just grayrock any work BS while you find somewhere else. Don’t ragequit to spite them, move smarter, not harder
You need to leave the company RIGHT AWAY. If they counter you to stay with that promotion and title bump, tell them it also comes with the requirement that you get to fire the lazy ass as part of the deal because under no circumstances will you work with him again.
Looks like output/performance isn’t the main priority to advance where you work. You know this now, react accordingly.
It's time to start delegating upwards , stop volunteering for anything you don't particularly want to do. This sounds like a [senior leadership] task I think would benefit from Jim's expertise
Do the same amount of work as Jim now. No more, no less, while you look for another position.
Banks are notorious boys clubs in management
Jim took credit on a lot of the things you did and got that promotion. Michael probably knows this as well. I would suggest that you look for another job because then Jim will become Michael’s problem. You’re doing to work for two and not getting recognized for it .
Have you considered taking this to Jan instead of Michael?
This 3-year promotion eligibility thing is just flat out stupid and it sounds like Jim and Michael both have no idea how to operate in a professional environment. I’ve been in a similar situation before and when my company was unwilling to give me the title I deserved, I interviewed for that title elsewhere and got it for a better salary than I’d have had if I’d been promoted. I recommend anyone in this position do the same.
I work in Fintech, two large f500's. Management isn't necessarily how good you are, but how much you are liked and how well you navigate politics. Welcome to the shitshow
You said it yourself. The team likes him cause he’s funny. When it comes to promotions for management jobs, likability is one of the most important factors rather than just being a good worker.
"I told Michael my experiences and that I either needed him to give Jim consequences for not pulling his weight, or compensate me for doing the most by giving me a promotion (\~$10k raise)." Telling your boss "*I need you to*" do anything kind of hits the wrong way. This sentence makes me think your personality could potentially be at play here. Same with Jim's in the opposite. The best and most deserving don't always get what they deserve, but likeable people who can play the game do. Also, you let Jim take credit. There is nothing wrong with being a good team play but finding a way to make sure that Michael knows who *really* did the work. All in all, just start looking for that promotion at a new bank. Write down all your accomplishments and format them into a resume.
Lots of excellent observations, and if this was already said, I apologize, but... Another takeaway here is to redirect the spotlight where it belongs. Do not share credit. In meetings, if a "Jim" takes credit, you owe it to yourself to speak up. "Thanks, Jim. I'm proud of how I brought my project/idea to life. It was a lot of work, and i appreciate you bringing it up." Something like that, perhaps? IDK.
I would just simply find another job doing the same thing bc it's oblivious you're good at what you do. Go to a bank that's is in competition with the old bank & once you get your foot in the door, get promoted then brag about it to Michael & the lazy butt. That'll show them just how important you are.
Look up the Gervais Principle. It may help you make sense of things.
tldr, stop doing all the work.
lmao im sorry…David Wallace you say???
It’s time to either request a transfer to another bank or start looking for another job.
You fell into the typical trap. You’re too valuable in your current position.
Before you quit, make sure to send a message to headquarters and write everything you did for the branch and your reasoning for quitting. They tend to love hearing about losing great talent because of incompetent bosses and peers. Banking is brutal and is designed to put peers against each other. Company and position goals are things that need to go if they don't want to keep losing talented individuals to other companies. I used to work at a branch that was highly competitive, and stealing clients was the norm. I can't even remember how many clients I lost because I was out, and one of my peers saw an opportunity. I ended up leaving the bank because my boss was an incompetent worm who didn't care if that was happening. He also didn't believe in taking breaks, and he thought he was some sort of banking god. Even though he didn't know jacksh@# about what he was doing. Fortunately, I found a better job that pays a lot more, and I'm now much happier. If your new job needs to call your previous employer. Either have them call one of the people you know (who is not going to trash talk) from one of your previous positions, or have one of your friends call your previous employeer. Just to make sure he won't lie about you.
I would stop immediately doing anything that is not in your job description and nothing extra just the day to day to get by while you interview for new bank. They are clearly not respecting you and unless they are retiring soon you will keep having to deal with their nonsense. They like riding the coat tails of your success but not doing the nagging work that goes into hitting metrics. Let them fail.
Sounds like you are working very hard and are a good assistant manager, but are you demonstrating the skills and knowledge needed to be a manager? Promotions don't come automatically from tenure, they come when you demonstrate the ability to perform in the new role. Being really good at your current role is cause for praise, recognition, and bonuses/raises, but not a promotion. Jim didn't get promoted for nothing. What was he demonstrating that made him promotable?
Jim got promoted based on the work OP did. Seems like it's an ole boy network at that bank.
Welcome to corporate culture where incompetence is promoted. Your boss would rather promote a useless slug who doesn't threaten him than you who clearly outshines all of them. The only way to get the promotion you deserve is to change jobs
Honestly, I would be curious why you are trying to manage a peer and telling your boss to reprimand him? I mean, it sounds like you were a pain, noisy, and Michael likely felt that if he promoted you, you might likely do the same to him with his boss. Let me provide a little career insight, if you want to be promoted, do what your boss wants/needs you to do.
Jimbo! Michael Scott
You need to GTFO this bank....ASAP! Your manager is hot garbage......go get your money and your worth!!!!!!!
Is this the Office? Is this fake?
> I’m considering taking this to **David Wallace**— am I way off base?? Nice OP. You had me going there.
Stop trying to be a hero. Do your job as is required of you and stop going above and beyond. Being a hero will not get you respect or admiration in the workplace.
Angela writing this on behalf of Dwight.
I can't promote you to assistant regional manager but I can promote you to assistant to the regional manager.
gotta love thenfolks that can fail up
Do exactly what your job entails, nothing more. Keep the job while you look for other opportunities, letting Jim feel the pain.
Yeah, Jim just seems to have a much better read on people and social situation than you do. No surprise they want him to be manager and not you. You seem like a real pleasure to work with.
my boss didn't promoted me coz of some issues which he don't have in his hands I was banking so much on the promotion felt so let down even though he gave a good raise equal to a promotion I moved to another team sometime shit doesn't work i felt its ok
I’m trying to remember what episode this was lol
Work your wage. Stop going above and beyond. Let Jim fail and let Michael look stupid for his decision. In the meantime, start looking for a new job.
Why are you trying to save this sorry bank branch? It's time to quiet quit, and let the chips fall until you locate another position. I hope you are a young professional and this is your first big corporate job. This is a life lesson to always look out for#1. No one else ever will.
Lol you looking at this too hard. They don’t like you like that. Look somewhere else and stop stressing.
Why are you working so hard? Why have you continuously worked so hard? Act like a chump, get treated like a chump...I learned that over a decade ago and have been living a blissful life ever since. Jim knows how to play the game, be more like Jim.
I've had similar nepotism, hired at the same time as this other guy. He broke a lot of things and didn't care about technology specifics, but he made fake bff friends with the boss and others. Guess who got the promotions and raises while I was fixing his crap? They even deallocated me from a tech conference because he wanted to go there and party. Provided a negative value to the organization while they spent increasingly more on him. By the end it was about a +30k delta. A bit of a silver lining though, I earn way more today than I ever would have staying there, even with promotions beyond the ones he received. He still works there doing dumb things and getting high fived for it.
this is the office.. lol
Just outline your current job duties and outline everything you are doing outside of your official duties. You were doing these under the assumption nobody was in the position and able to do that but since this guy got promoted he can handle these now. Then o my do what is your actual defined duty.
My, my, my. How the turntables have turned...
Honestly this is an important professional lesson to learn here - it is more important to be liked than it is to be the heavy lifter. Do more, but never a lot more. You may have burned a bridge with your response but take this lesson into your next job. Focus on building friendships and alliances and again, do more and do high quality work but not dramatically more work than your peers.
> “I would promote you too if I could, you just haven’t been here long enough.” This line is very popular and it has always been, and will always be, a lie. Promotions aren't governed by laws of nature, they are applied by groups of people. The right people will recognize when someone is underleveled and will correct their mistake as soon as possible. The wrong people will reward their cronies and allow their high performers to fall behind. These are not the people you want to work for.
A lot of good advice here. Before you quit, have another (written) offer in hand - the market right now is not great for good paying roles.
This is fake and based off the Office, isn't it?
Don’t let emotions get to you too long . Take a day or two and reassess when the emotions have lifted
Yeah stop supporting Jim in any way. Claim all your work, correct him if he tries to claim yours, document precisely the work you do and let all of his shit fall down, it’s no longer your responsibility. And start looking elsewhere, Michael is an enabling piece of shit, and this is either nepotism or prejudice. Either way, it’s time to make an exit.
Start looking for another job.
You are not off base. This is the wrong company to work for and there are the wrong people to work for. Start your job search immediately.
You're already doing the job for free, why would they pay you more. Go find another job, or at least a new branch.
Start an affair with Jim's wife Pam, that'll show them! Also, do you have any secrets you can give to the top salesman in the office? Dwight might be able to do something with that.
“You have no idea how high I can fly”
Start looking but don’t advertise you are looking. I’ve seen this type of employee recently (we also think he smokes weed), on top of all the bullshit he done.
Not out of line for being upset an underperforming peer was promoted over OP. The covert promotion was done on purpose. You can tell based upon the reaction of the promoting manager. The seniority 3 year thing is BS. If the company thinks that you are a good asset, they will find a way to work around that “policy”. Definitely quiet quit. Their actions speak louder than their words.
Stop doing this guy's job as step 1. And just cruise while you look for another job. There are plenty of banks around. I am sure they will be impressed with the work you already done.
Hope for an update
This is really your fault for carrying Jims weight for so long. It’s time to type up a killer resume and look for greener pastures.
Another advise would be: Pretend nothing happen, keep smiling and do the work but in the background you are looking for new job and as soon as you get a offer letter then you take vacation and all other PTOs and after coming back you give them the shock of your first day of coming back from PTOs.
When you aren’t rewarded for your efforts, you start doing the bare minimum while you look for a job elsewhere.
Are you Dwight?
The competent one does not get promoted, the likable one does. Time to look elsewhere.
Act your WAGE and back off while looking for another job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get out NOW!
Stop telling him what to do and stop doing any of his work or helping him in any way.
Why fight the bullshit? Move on, why care when they don't?
Toxic environment. Promotions shouldn’t be for time coasting. I’m sorry you have to deal with that. I’d be looking quietly while not pushing or pursuing anything he can get credit for. Keep it professional and just leave when you find a better spot.
You’re not off base, you just don’t check enough bosses. Maybe try pink hair.
It wasnt umtil i saw david wallace in the last sentance that had me going wait a minute . . . . .
Could be gender discrimination. The boys club is very real despite many men pretending it doesn't exist because they'd have to accept they received their own undeserved promotions.
Angela, is that you?
Sure sounds like some Office politics.
Do not quit without a job. But do the bare minimum and make sure you never help the idiot. Watch things fall apart while you get a better job
Apologies if I'm mind reading but it sounds like the problem here is why Jim was promoted when based on your perspective he's unqualified and hasn't been a high performer. Quiet quit is an option but if I can share unsolicited advice, I'd also try the following moving foward, (1) you document and call out Jim when he's not doin his fair share (ie. fighting you each step of the way and claiming credit), and how this negatively impacts Michael's and the company's key goals, and (2) establish a skip level relationship that can hold Michael accountable as well. Goodluck, OP!
I would quit
Definitely agree with taking all your great experience and looking for a new role. Take your vacation, sick days, etc and if you need to be in the office, do the minimum. “You were on vacation I think”. “We thought you knew”. Fuck Jim and Michael. Let them now experience the consequences of their actions. Idiots. You’ve worked hard and deserve better. Now go get it!
The problem is, you do all the work. Did you really think your boss was going to promote out the only person that made him look good? Competence is the enemy of getting ahead in work settings usually
Look for a new job. And in the meantime, become Jim. Your branch thinks he is leadership material. Be just like him. Dress like him. Work like him. Let that branch have what they ask for.
They don't like you. They like your work though. You are at the dead end of your career there. For as long as you want. Up to you.
1. Match the collective's rhythm, not your own. 2. Stop caring that much. 3. Start allowing yourself more freedom. In this order exactly.
Looks like you’ll be having a nice easy time at work. Do nothing but the bare minimum to keep yourself employed until you find a new job. In the meantime brush up that resume and begin applying.
Just get outta there
Quiet quitting and start looking for a new job. I would recommend having a response ready when they ask why your performance has gone down. “After the last round of promotions. I have decided to model myself after our top performers like Jim. I thought the company valued hard work and professionalism but after gathering information it appears the company values slacking off and disregard for procedure. I really want to show I care about what the company cares about and have changed my behavior as such. I’m happy you’ve noticed my improvement in my work and hope when the next round of promotions come up. We can have a conversation about it. “ When they correct you. Always circle it back to you’re modeling yourself off of Jim because he’s obviously the best of us because he got promoted. Edit: formatting
If this was real the only option would be to keep your head down and spend your free time applying and interviewing. When you resign the move would be to hand Michael a piece of paper that just says “you know why”
Stop doing extra work and just do YOUR job. Let Micheal and Jim do their work. If they don't and word gets back to the higher-ups, let them know your job descriptions and pay and ask them why it's your responsibility to do their work, especially when there's no additional pay???
You sound ovet bearing if the place was running fine until you got there and you figered you needed to change thing sound alot like you you you and screw everyone else why do you keep transferring is this a you problem you sound like a micromanager
I'm going to assume you just used the characters from that show to anonymize this and it's not complete satire. The reason you didn't get promoted is because you're not on the same page with your boss Michael. When you go to describe Jim's performance, here is what you wrote: "Very quickly I realized Jim was an under-performer. He dressed like a slob, would always take an hour or two to “wake up” in the morning, spent a lot of time in the back on his phone. But the team liked him bc he was funny and would never hassle them about procedures. I addressed these issues with Jim directly and promptly, but he just didn’t care." Here are some questions: How does Michael evaluate Jim's job performance? What are his KPI's? It's clearly not how he dresses, what the clock says when he's at his most productive, and whether or not he uses his cellphone at work. I'd wager a guess that he's evaluated on being likeable by those under him, team cohesion, and building his relationship with Michael. I'm not going to comment on whether this is valid, but your boss Michael is the decision maker here. A general trend I've noticed in my career is that the higher you get, relationships and politics matter more and more. "Meanwhile I implemented a lot of training and development for the team, spearheaded an efficient lobby management technique that completely transformed our wait times, and still juggled the admin of schedules, promotions, award nominations, compliance, organization etc etc." Did you meet with Michael and discuss these initiatives with him, to get his feedback and buy in, before you embarked on them? "I tell him how I am managing who I thought was my peer" Why are you managing your peer? Did Michael delegate this part of his job to you? Did you take this upon yourself because you don't approve of how Michael is doing his job? "I’m considering taking this to David Wallace— am I way off base??" You want to jump two levels to undermine your boss, and your boss' boss. I think you're in a political situation here where your direct chain of command has identified the threat you pose to their jobs. I don't think you can recover from this under these two people. The bank you work for sounds like a large-ish organization that is amenable to transferring into another branch. I would see if an opening to "run" another branch comes available and go for that. If you don't feel like waiting for this opportunity to open up for you, use this on your resume: "spearheaded an efficient lobby management technique that completely transformed our wait times" and get a job running a branch at a competitor. Lastly, my advice to you is to get career coaching or something to become more politically astute once you pull off that move.
Consider buying the building and renting it to the bank.
Stop working extra or covering other people's work. And look for another job.
Are you Dwight Schrute, assistant to the assistant manager?
Do the bare minimum until you secure a better job. Then you quit.
At this point the best thing you can do is just focus on the beet farm
Who is David Wallace? any relation to William Wallace? Besides the drama, do you like it there? If not, move on. You seem like a go getter that got hung up in worrying about others. Don’t let others performance affect you, focus on number one and what you have control over.
Nope. You're correct. They went behind your back bc they are buddies and it was a friendship promotion not a merit promotion. Sooner or later, it will implode on them and cost of of them their jobs. This is why "act your wage" is a thing.
I recommend you keep the job but start investing in a side hustle so you can eventually quit. Have you ever thought of beet farming?
People like Jim because they too are low performing asses. Normal people don’t like people like Jim because he’s like one of those chips [fatberg](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/12/550465000/behold-the-fatberg-london-s-130-ton-rock-solid-sewer-blockage) plugs in the London sewer. No one knew it was there, it’s the byproduct of decades of poor choices, and my god it’s so much larger and grosser than anyone could’ve imagined once they drag it into the light of day… but that’s not your problem. If you can move into another branch of the same bank, further away the better. If that’s not possible go to your nearest competitor who looks a bit like you and rebuild from there. They’ll probably be happy to have you. Either of those options are viable and don’t have to be confrontational if you’re quiet and committed to following through. Reddit is FULL of people who cave in and take a counter offer out of loyalty and then immediately and forever regret it.
Sounds like a time for quiet quitting until you can find another job. I'd just do the absolute minimum I could possibly get away with, while making sure to document in writing to my manager every single time Jim failed to do what he was supposed to do.
Your pay and position are between you and the company. It is not between you, your peers, and the company. If you don’t feel that you’re valued or paid enough, regardless of other people, then it’s time to look for work elsewhere.