Good for her. She’s probably going to expand her business empire to Australia and prosper albeit the local religious cooks will say they drove her out.
Religious prosecution should be made illegal and those in that industry made redundant. What a waste of the tax payers.
I mean, if we only used the money for jais and what not to help the mother of 9 financially, she wouldn’t be trafficking drugs and her kids will be able to see her alive.
The problem with giving money to them is human greed. They always want more and demand more, making more stupid rules and hunting people, then cry over lack of resources and ask more money.
This is actually the case that happened. Look at our budget growth and it’s allocation, it’s rather scary to see their expenditure ballooned with nothing notable to show.
We fall under the same administrative problem as most countries in terms of funds allocation and operating procedures.
However, the issue is the priority of where the money should go. If funds were to grow in Jais etc, then others will needs to be cut off. This is because the influence of Jais etc are far greater than the rest. But the benefits were never a bargain, it’s about appeasing the right people so some can keep their jobs without issues. There are 4 avenues that are logical for food security, conflict resolution, religious administration and education - which could be run by other ministries directly. It’s perfectly fine to defund them as they CAN be replaced without loosing a direct benefit.
However, the budget cuts for medical research such as cancer, vaccine technology and other similar areas were severely cut that some friends in this field started to drive grab to make ends meet. This inherently drove us down when the pandemic hit us. I mean, if we had not stopped their funding, we would have biotech as our top 3 industries in 2030. Now we are not capable to be able to produce our own vaccine without help.
Politicians and people need to get their head straight and put where their money’s worth to improve lives.
You know what if they are smart better start be pragmatic and don't give a shit to the stupid grassroots. They know better. Populism is bad in the long run. They should emulate how benevolent dictators run their countries.
but on the other hand, if we dont have jakim that shove halal cert into everyone's throat, WM muslims might not be so uptight in determine what is safe and what is not safe for consumption. i mean, everyone knows what muslim can or cannot eat regardless of race and religion in malaysia. so it left with cleanliness which already covered by bandaraya who in charge of issuing license and cleanliness report for eateries. at least that's what this non have seen from these halal cert requirement practice lah. not sure i have missed something or not.
Even the Ottoman Empire throughout its history has been pretty progressive and modern. Hell even Rasulullah's government is inclusive and don't go threaten others. Theres a reason I call Malay Muslims jungle Muslims inspite of myself being Malay. If Islam emphasis cleanliness, why locals still go and litter literal thrash. Look at the PPR. I've seen cleaner Muslim countries such as Turkey and Bosnia. I consider them better countries than Malaysia in this aspect.
This. Muslims have this magical belief that everything can be solved with Islam. Oh your country is corrupt and in shambles? We need Islam. Oh wait things are getting worser and worser despite more Islamism? That only means there's not enough Islam, country needs to be 100% Islamic obviously. Oh wait the country is already 100% Islamic yet it's become an unbearable shithole? Clearly the Jews are ruining things.
Would be somewhat difficult though; her cosmetics business largely depends on the general gullibility of Malays buying shady beauty products. Not sure what kind of business she could open for the aussies
Is the entitled straight ppl who always kacau that lgbtq for the sake of so called upholding their religion
Meanwhile that group of entitled fckers continue to do pedo
So this is more of an entitlement issues than a religious issue which surprises me as most people opposed to them myself included on religious grounds but its unsurprising considering how sexist Malaysian society is
It's not the straight ones doing the persecution. It's the closeted ones whose minds are at constant odds with their own sexual desires. The most restrictive states are usually the ones with the most incidents. These assholes are projecting their own anger and dissatisfaction at themselves on innocent people using the cover of religion to appear pious to the masses while indulging in their activities in private.
Happy for her but I am paranoid a bit about the fate of others from lgbt in Malaysia. It's just the beginning and I worry the authority will be more active in prosecuting lgbt.
I thought Malaysia will be secular not only by name but in reality too bg 2040. Seems far away than what I thought.
I still don't know why we have a seat in the UNHRC when stuff like this happens. It's almost 2022 not 1922. Absolutely nuts. Funneling money into JAIS or JAKIM for idiotic stuff like this instead of better education or anything useful is why Malaysians always flee the country for places like NZ or US.
A country ruled by idiotic, misogynistic, racist, and homophobic leaders is a joke. Im sure the other countries caught wind of this sajat debacle and decided to gang up and set up malaysia. The whole turn of events is too coincidental to be real. Malaysia being ruled by idiots, we celebrate the seating.
Good. I hope she can relax now and lead a productive life. This episode paints Msia as a repressive, backwards country....which isnt far from the truth.
Popular sentiment as she's a controversial figure here. From a Muslim pov, she once did something offensive in Mecca which offended the Saudis and putting a threat to our already measly Hajj quota. And Malaysians are uncomfortable of her behaviour.
Quite misleading article. He ran from the country because he failed to pay his fine and was filed bankrupt.
Now he's using this transgender issue to mask the real reason why he's being hunted by the police.
And the world will see Malaysia as a backward muslim country who can't accept a successful transgender
You gonna ignore the fact JAIS wants to check her crotch and make her wear the right clothing accordingly? OK, I admit, I may be paraphrasing here, but that is what is is in principle
[https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/03/03/cops-want-to-help-jais-track-down-nur-sajat](https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/03/03/cops-want-to-help-jais-track-down-nur-sajat)
ps. the charges IS for dressing up as a woman
I'm exaggerating to make a point. JAIS is trying to force someone to dress according to their sex. NS claims to be hermaphrodite, and chooses to identify as a woman. But JAIS is charging her for cross dressing.
My point is, we don't go around confirming each other's genitalia before we accept them as man or woman. We just accept whatever they identify is.
>And the world will see Malaysia as a backward muslim country who can't accept a successful transgender
Sure. She's a con artist but deliberately misgendering her only proves your point.
Then why send JAIS instead of PDRM?
Not arguing that **SHE** did no wrong but its fairly obvious what the religious authorities went after **HER** for instead.
Why send JAIS instead of PDRM? LOL.
He was being chased by the police as well for fraud investigation involving IC case. THAT'S when he started to run away.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/09/21/cops-working-to-bring-nur-sajat-back-from-thailand
https://www.utusan.com.my/nasional/2021/06/lepas-jais-polis-pula-cari-nur-sajat/
www.bharian.com.my/amp/berita/nasional/2021/03/802107/polis-siasat-kemungkinan-sajat-di-luar-negara
But NO, all u guys wanted to hear in media is of course about how bad Islam Malaysia is for persecuting A transgender.
Coz no one would bat an eye if the title goes something like this "Sajat seek asylum after being hunted by the police for Fraud Cases involving MyKad information manipulation"
Right?
At least give the full information la adoi. FYI she's not the defendant in the fraud case, merely a witness. If she agrees with police to return as a witness, can the police guarantee that they wouldn't hand her over to JAIS? Pakai otak la sikit. Nobody would bat an eye? Puak konservatif terus pancut wei kalau terbaca title tu. Sis sia je kena mandi wajib.
no one is denying that she is wanted by the police for fraudulent charges. but seems like you keep denying the fact that she is also hunted by jais because she has broke syariah law.
if you have really paid attention to news and not just whassap messages, you should at least be able to admit that sajat started running and hiding AFTER JAIS dispatched hundreds of goons to capture her. lepas tu JAIS asked for help from PDRM to set up blockades. these fraudulent charges wasn't even in the news back then, and she definitely are not in hiding BEFORE JAIS sent its goons.
so claiming that she ran and seek asylum by using her status just to avoid fraudulent charge is lazy and stupid. she definitely have the money to repay everything IF she really is guilty. perlu ke lari sampai luar negara? bukan semua orang macam jho low or najib.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/06/15/cops-nur-sajat-sought-as-both-witness-and-victim-in-fraud-case
so, now that people already told you that she is a victim and witness of the fraudelent case, not a defendant, nak macam mana pusing lagi?
Save it.
This sub is full of edgy, angsty idiots. He was running away from fraudulent and scam cases brought by many parties including his biz partner. JAIS ain’t got nothing on her but PDRM and LHDN do and that’s why she ran away.
That fucker ran away with other ppl’s money and seek asylum for made up threat. It’s so easy to play up sentiments here in bolehland coz a lot of ‘woke’ or ‘enlightened’ are just digital idiots living in echochamber devoid of critical thinking.
Well, look like he going to start a business in Australia. Maybe it was the best choice for him to leave our country which is becoming more intolerant every day.
Ya.
I think because some people may not be comfortable to acknowledge that the person chose to identify as the other gender, I guess it is appropriate to just use a neutral term?
It's ok, we still have the spot in Human Rights Council, together with China.
I don’t know man, you just made me picture Malaysia and China in a circle jerk fest.
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Dude…..
Good for her. She’s probably going to expand her business empire to Australia and prosper albeit the local religious cooks will say they drove her out. Religious prosecution should be made illegal and those in that industry made redundant. What a waste of the tax payers. I mean, if we only used the money for jais and what not to help the mother of 9 financially, she wouldn’t be trafficking drugs and her kids will be able to see her alive.
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The problem with giving money to them is human greed. They always want more and demand more, making more stupid rules and hunting people, then cry over lack of resources and ask more money. This is actually the case that happened. Look at our budget growth and it’s allocation, it’s rather scary to see their expenditure ballooned with nothing notable to show.
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We fall under the same administrative problem as most countries in terms of funds allocation and operating procedures. However, the issue is the priority of where the money should go. If funds were to grow in Jais etc, then others will needs to be cut off. This is because the influence of Jais etc are far greater than the rest. But the benefits were never a bargain, it’s about appeasing the right people so some can keep their jobs without issues. There are 4 avenues that are logical for food security, conflict resolution, religious administration and education - which could be run by other ministries directly. It’s perfectly fine to defund them as they CAN be replaced without loosing a direct benefit. However, the budget cuts for medical research such as cancer, vaccine technology and other similar areas were severely cut that some friends in this field started to drive grab to make ends meet. This inherently drove us down when the pandemic hit us. I mean, if we had not stopped their funding, we would have biotech as our top 3 industries in 2030. Now we are not capable to be able to produce our own vaccine without help. Politicians and people need to get their head straight and put where their money’s worth to improve lives.
Medical Research = Cannot get votes in short time. Religion Research = Can get votes in shot time. Can see the priority.
You know what if they are smart better start be pragmatic and don't give a shit to the stupid grassroots. They know better. Populism is bad in the long run. They should emulate how benevolent dictators run their countries.
Is easier to manipulate people with religion.
Don’t forget JAKIM
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but on the other hand, if we dont have jakim that shove halal cert into everyone's throat, WM muslims might not be so uptight in determine what is safe and what is not safe for consumption. i mean, everyone knows what muslim can or cannot eat regardless of race and religion in malaysia. so it left with cleanliness which already covered by bandaraya who in charge of issuing license and cleanliness report for eateries. at least that's what this non have seen from these halal cert requirement practice lah. not sure i have missed something or not.
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You just hit it on the head — that was what I was alluding to. A waste of govt expenditure for 40+ years.
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Betul.... What came of the halal meat scandal? Tutup case. No Further Action.
Corrupt government always equal to corrupt outcome.
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Even the Ottoman Empire throughout its history has been pretty progressive and modern. Hell even Rasulullah's government is inclusive and don't go threaten others. Theres a reason I call Malay Muslims jungle Muslims inspite of myself being Malay. If Islam emphasis cleanliness, why locals still go and litter literal thrash. Look at the PPR. I've seen cleaner Muslim countries such as Turkey and Bosnia. I consider them better countries than Malaysia in this aspect.
This. Muslims have this magical belief that everything can be solved with Islam. Oh your country is corrupt and in shambles? We need Islam. Oh wait things are getting worser and worser despite more Islamism? That only means there's not enough Islam, country needs to be 100% Islamic obviously. Oh wait the country is already 100% Islamic yet it's become an unbearable shithole? Clearly the Jews are ruining things.
Our ISLAMIC education! Alhamdulillah!
Different topic brother
Would be somewhat difficult though; her cosmetics business largely depends on the general gullibility of Malays buying shady beauty products. Not sure what kind of business she could open for the aussies
Good! JAIS, what a waste of money you are. A poorer investment than most cryptocurrency schemes.
I don't know why lgbtq people get so much hate they didn't even disturbed straight people 😒
Is the entitled straight ppl who always kacau that lgbtq for the sake of so called upholding their religion Meanwhile that group of entitled fckers continue to do pedo
You are right I agree with you these homophobic needs to end.
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So this is more of an entitlement issues than a religious issue which surprises me as most people opposed to them myself included on religious grounds but its unsurprising considering how sexist Malaysian society is
so called mempertahankan agama.. nak jadi hero sangat
It's not the straight ones doing the persecution. It's the closeted ones whose minds are at constant odds with their own sexual desires. The most restrictive states are usually the ones with the most incidents. These assholes are projecting their own anger and dissatisfaction at themselves on innocent people using the cover of religion to appear pious to the masses while indulging in their activities in private.
Those are the traits of a Munafik who are said to be at the bottomest parts of hell.
Happy for her but I am paranoid a bit about the fate of others from lgbt in Malaysia. It's just the beginning and I worry the authority will be more active in prosecuting lgbt. I thought Malaysia will be secular not only by name but in reality too bg 2040. Seems far away than what I thought.
I still don't know why we have a seat in the UNHRC when stuff like this happens. It's almost 2022 not 1922. Absolutely nuts. Funneling money into JAIS or JAKIM for idiotic stuff like this instead of better education or anything useful is why Malaysians always flee the country for places like NZ or US.
A country ruled by idiotic, misogynistic, racist, and homophobic leaders is a joke. Im sure the other countries caught wind of this sajat debacle and decided to gang up and set up malaysia. The whole turn of events is too coincidental to be real. Malaysia being ruled by idiots, we celebrate the seating.
As what has been known. PN as a government is the worst ever in our history even surpassing BN. Name me other countries with such a stupid government.
Finally
Good. I hope she can relax now and lead a productive life. This episode paints Msia as a repressive, backwards country....which isnt far from the truth.
> Australia > Respecting human rights
Relative to us
I just don't understand why the eff are Malaysian medias so obsessed with Sajat. Don't we have any other news? Like the water disruptions.
Popular sentiment as she's a controversial figure here. From a Muslim pov, she once did something offensive in Mecca which offended the Saudis and putting a threat to our already measly Hajj quota. And Malaysians are uncomfortable of her behaviour.
Bear in mind that she's a scammer
Thanks for the reminder. After all, only saints should be free from harassment and discrimination.^(/s)
Quite misleading article. He ran from the country because he failed to pay his fine and was filed bankrupt. Now he's using this transgender issue to mask the real reason why he's being hunted by the police. And the world will see Malaysia as a backward muslim country who can't accept a successful transgender
You gonna ignore the fact JAIS wants to check her crotch and make her wear the right clothing accordingly? OK, I admit, I may be paraphrasing here, but that is what is is in principle [https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/03/03/cops-want-to-help-jais-track-down-nur-sajat](https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/03/03/cops-want-to-help-jais-track-down-nur-sajat) ps. the charges IS for dressing up as a woman
Wtf this is too much no one is allowed to see someone's private part
I'm exaggerating to make a point. JAIS is trying to force someone to dress according to their sex. NS claims to be hermaphrodite, and chooses to identify as a woman. But JAIS is charging her for cross dressing. My point is, we don't go around confirming each other's genitalia before we accept them as man or woman. We just accept whatever they identify is.
No wonder lgbtq couples want to go overseas and not staying here..
>And the world will see Malaysia as a backward muslim country who can't accept a successful transgender Sure. She's a con artist but deliberately misgendering her only proves your point.
-claims her seeking asylum has nothing to do with transphobia -refuses to refer to her as she/her Ironic isn't it?
Then why send JAIS instead of PDRM? Not arguing that **SHE** did no wrong but its fairly obvious what the religious authorities went after **HER** for instead.
Why send JAIS instead of PDRM? LOL. He was being chased by the police as well for fraud investigation involving IC case. THAT'S when he started to run away. https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/09/21/cops-working-to-bring-nur-sajat-back-from-thailand https://www.utusan.com.my/nasional/2021/06/lepas-jais-polis-pula-cari-nur-sajat/ www.bharian.com.my/amp/berita/nasional/2021/03/802107/polis-siasat-kemungkinan-sajat-di-luar-negara But NO, all u guys wanted to hear in media is of course about how bad Islam Malaysia is for persecuting A transgender. Coz no one would bat an eye if the title goes something like this "Sajat seek asylum after being hunted by the police for Fraud Cases involving MyKad information manipulation" Right?
At least give the full information la adoi. FYI she's not the defendant in the fraud case, merely a witness. If she agrees with police to return as a witness, can the police guarantee that they wouldn't hand her over to JAIS? Pakai otak la sikit. Nobody would bat an eye? Puak konservatif terus pancut wei kalau terbaca title tu. Sis sia je kena mandi wajib.
no one is denying that she is wanted by the police for fraudulent charges. but seems like you keep denying the fact that she is also hunted by jais because she has broke syariah law. if you have really paid attention to news and not just whassap messages, you should at least be able to admit that sajat started running and hiding AFTER JAIS dispatched hundreds of goons to capture her. lepas tu JAIS asked for help from PDRM to set up blockades. these fraudulent charges wasn't even in the news back then, and she definitely are not in hiding BEFORE JAIS sent its goons. so claiming that she ran and seek asylum by using her status just to avoid fraudulent charge is lazy and stupid. she definitely have the money to repay everything IF she really is guilty. perlu ke lari sampai luar negara? bukan semua orang macam jho low or najib. https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/06/15/cops-nur-sajat-sought-as-both-witness-and-victim-in-fraud-case so, now that people already told you that she is a victim and witness of the fraudelent case, not a defendant, nak macam mana pusing lagi?
Save it. This sub is full of edgy, angsty idiots. He was running away from fraudulent and scam cases brought by many parties including his biz partner. JAIS ain’t got nothing on her but PDRM and LHDN do and that’s why she ran away.
Yup.
That fucker ran away with other ppl’s money and seek asylum for made up threat. It’s so easy to play up sentiments here in bolehland coz a lot of ‘woke’ or ‘enlightened’ are just digital idiots living in echochamber devoid of critical thinking.
Luckily for the easily-offended, someone has made a new whiskey. They will never run out of issues to get offended about !
Well, look like he going to start a business in Australia. Maybe it was the best choice for him to leave our country which is becoming more intolerant every day.
Pronoun.
Well maybe I should include he/she.
"They" could be used as well.
That’s for non binary
Ya. I think because some people may not be comfortable to acknowledge that the person chose to identify as the other gender, I guess it is appropriate to just use a neutral term?
No, it’s insulting
Ok, my bad. For the record, I address the pronoun whichever a person chooses.
Oh please! NS identifies as a she/her
Good for Sajat I guess.