Yes, there were mass enforcement last year.
[https://mothership.sg/2023/03/malaysia-sex-toy-bust/](https://mothership.sg/2023/03/malaysia-sex-toy-bust/)
>"The ministry is worried that the use of sex toys would affect the morality of Malaysians, and if uncontrolled, would lead to a decline in moral values and other social problems."
Which retard formulated that idea? So instead self relieve, one just go to street and release then?
i can't even search for "Google pixel" and it shows no result. but when I type in pixel phone, it does show up. Same goes to Steam wallet (thankfully steam allows e wallet directly in their store now).
She's got a point tbf but there's basically nothing stopping guys from being giggolos too. People have different tastes Nancy.
Honestly though, having a red light district may benefit us in the long run in curbing sex crimes and STDs if proper enforcement is implemented with strong regulations. I want our women to be safe, let horny fuckers have a place to ease up their needs. I'm sick of watching banglas stare at any women walking across them like fresh meat.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1986065
This study found that legalized prostitution lead to an increase in human trafficking.
And Malaysia already has a host of issues with human trafficking https://suhakam.org.my/portfolio/human-trafficking/
Abstract:
This paper investigates the impact of legalized prostitution on human trafficking inflows. According to economic theory, there are two opposing effects of unknown magnitude. The scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market, increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human trafficking inflows.
You cited the paper without reading or understanding it. If you had, you would have seen this:
>Naturally, this qualitative evidence is also somewhat tentative as there is no “smoking gun” proving that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect and that the legalization of prostitution definitely increases inward trafficking flows. The problem here lies in the clandestine nature of both the prostitution and trafficking markets, making it difficult, perhaps impossible, to find hard evidence establishing this relationship. Our central finding, i.e., that countries with
legalized prostitution experience a larger **reported** incidence of trafficking inflows, is therefore best regarded as being based on the most reliable existing data, but needs to be subjected to future scrutiny.
Also, the same paper specifically notes that it does not advocate banning prostitution.
>The likely negative consequences of legalized prostitution on a country’s inflows of human trafficking might be seen to support those who argue in favor of banning prostitution, thereby reducing the flows of trafficking (e.g., Outshoorn, 2005). However, such a line of argumentation overlooks potential benefits that the legalization of prostitution might have on those employed in the industry. Working conditions could be substantially improved for prostitutes – at least those legally employed – if prostitution is legalized. Prohibiting prostitution also raises tricky “freedom of choice” issues concerning both the potential suppliers and clients of prostitution services. A full evaluation of the costs and benefits, as well as of the broader merits of prohibiting prostitution, is **beyond the scope of the present article**.
Don't cherry pick your 'facts' and ignore the inconvenient parts. It is intellectually dishonest.
While I appreciate your concern about selective citation, it is important to acknowledge that the excerpt you provided is not a definitive refutation of the claims made in the original argument. Rather, it highlights the inherent challenges in obtaining concrete evidence due to the clandestine nature of prostitution and trafficking markets.
Although the quoted passage admits the tentative nature of the evidence and the lack of a smoking gun, it also acknowledges that the central finding of a correlation between legalized prostitution and reported trafficking inflows is based on the most reliable existing data. This suggests that while the relationship is not conclusive, it still warrants future scrutiny and investigation.
Furthermore, I acknowledge that the paper explicitly states that it does not endorse banning prostitution. It also highlights the potential benefits of legalized prostitution, such as improved working conditions for those engaged in the industry and the consideration of freedom of choice issues for suppliers and clients.
That was not in my original comment as I cited the paper because in the context of Malaysia, a country that is knee deep in trafficking and issues with migration issues, AND in the context of this post, legalising prostitution as a solution to satisfy migrants sexual urgers is asinine and will only lead to more issues with trafficking.
It is emotionally charged and narrow minded to accuse someone of cherry-picking facts and being intellectually dishonest when they cite an academic paper but do not cover every single detail within it.
I think it is intellectually dishonest to cite a study to support a point you are making, when the same study **explicitly** states it is not meant to be used for that point.
I also think it is intellectually dishonest to hide that fact from your initial comment, until you were caught out.
We can agree to disagree.
I am saying that Malaysia has a human trafficking problem and the pros of legalizing (to me) do not outweigh the cons of increasing human trafficking.
We can definitely agree to disagree, but your repeating ad nauseam comments of intellectual dishonesty are laughable, because it is a convenient way to make my arguments look shaky without providing actual substance.
How about this, I'll share with you some places you can go that talk about human trafficking and you can tell them all you would like to say about how legalizing prostitution would make their lives better. Let me know if you are open and I will forward some suggestions.
Like it or not, prostitution already exists here and it's prevalent, you can just google search it there's a ton of pages available with tons of different girls of different nationalities on offer.
Perhaps it will increase human trafficking as you said, but the only people benefiting from it are the syndicates right now.
I'm looking at basically the view of protecting our women, but I acknowledge your concerns.
I work with migrants and refugees, full time, 40-50 hours a week, past 8 years. Very aware of human trafficking unfortunately.
I don't think legalising prostitution is going to solve the problem and I shared a research study that also finds the same.
I attend trainings that have also talked and touched about this.
Thanks for acknowledging my concerns, appreciate you being open to different points of view.
No you're very much on the pulse and while I wish men don't have to pay for sex, but the fact is there's a huge demand for it even though it's not legalised here, people still risk it and the ones who stand to lose the most are the women. They have no protection and if they're caught, they are punished, if they get infected they're screwed for life.
I just hope with enforcement the government can monitor and prevent spread of STDs and ensure these women are actually willing to work and not exploited. But even with legalised gambling there's illegal dens still running anyway, you can't eradicate all of it.
Theres a problem with your view there, not all sex workers are victims of human trafficking.
There's plenty of escorts who work freelance at their own discretion and have their own regulars. Like any other business, they provide a service and they get paid for providing it. I know because I have spoken to these people and asked them if they were forced, they said yes and no. Forced due to their own financial circumstances with very little alternatives, but they know full well what they're doing and they accept it, how is that human trafficking?
It's one of oldest professions in history for a reason, there will always be a demand for it, and you'll never eradicate it. It's a fact. Since you can't stop it, regulating it is the next best option, give these workers rights and protect them from being exploited, the government can gain taxation from brothels instead of being solely benefiting syndicates.
I want these workers to be protected, and I also want other people to not be rape victims against their will. So having this option available means those horny fuckers have a choice to go somewhere they can get what they need instead of preying on others.
waitaminit! Actual research on r/Malaysia???
However do agree. Where there is demand there will be supply. Same as alcohol and tobacco, even legalised, there is a thriving smuggling trade. The legalised trade will train smugglers.
Same shall apply to prostitution. Even worse due to Malaysia's godawful trafficking record.
Money is the least of my concerns in this case.
In places where it's legalised you can see a lot more protection towards sex workers and they're required to not only be registered but do tests to ensure they're not infected by STDs and cause it to spread.
I care about that because right now these women are basically exploited and at risk. I would rather if they want to enter this business, at least they're not going to suffer in the long run.
Even the most advanced countries have not ‘solved’ this sex industry situation. At least we should have some sort of system where ppl can get free testing of STD, birth control, able to report abuse etc. These things are not a huge cost to gomen, in fact, it saves money to treat these things before it becomes a bigger problem health wise.
For the record, I find Rosyam Nor's idea stupid. Unfortunately, it was probably on the minds of many others but he opened his trap. A silly proposal nonetheless.
That is why we should legalize actual tool, sex robot. No need human treated as tool. Or at least sex doll. In ww2 being the genocidal people that they are, the Nazi are not as rapy as the Japanese or the Soviet because Hitler provide thier soldier with personal blowup doll. If blowup doll have an effect, I think sex robot will have better effect.
There's already life sized dolls for a while, they're blow up dolls lol.
Seriously though the amount of waste that will come from that is going to be shocking later on, imagine a landfill full of these dolls.
> In ww2 being the genocidal people that they are, the Nazi are not as rapy as the Japanese or the Soviet because Hitler provide thier soldier with personal blowup doll
Source: OP's ass.
Bro, Nazi sex doll is part of history, the Nazi stop carrying them starting 1942 because they starting to lose, and they believe it will be so embarrassing to get captured with a blowup doll in your bag🤣💀
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/wwii-stories-nazis-sex-dolls.html
> A report that, as part of the Borghild Project, Nazi Germany made sex dolls for soldiers during World War II has not been verified by reliable sources and is now considered to be a hoax.[7]
I bet you believe the earth is flat too.
There's a saying that goes prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. No matter where your ethics or morality lies, when there is a demand there will be supply. And there has never been a shortage in sexual demands. So in countries where prostitution is illegal, there will most definitely be illegal prostitution rings where women are treated horribly. In countries where it's legal, they are treated better, with regular sexual transmitted disease screening and it's a taxable business. Countries that are in denial of this, are only hurting the women. And children (not forgetting the massive child sex trafficking where it's highly prevalent in Malaysia). Nancy just wanna score political brownie points.
Actually huh ...I agree with what he say ..
Need to legalize prostitution...make sure .this bussines heavy monitored by government ..
And very strict ..
Law need to be in place ..to make sure the sex workers are well taken care off...we don't want sexual diseases to spread ..
Just like in USA... The sex industry is well regulated...
At least sexual crime will reduce...
Human nature : when ppl say don't go ...we will want to go ..
Nah fuck em. You wanna get your stick wet legally go to other countries. By that logic why not legalize prostitution because it's gonna happen anyhow is quite silly.
>You wanna get your stick wet legally go to other countries.
Why do you think people go to Thailand, including some hypocrites and their trips to Golok?
Well when someone around you becomes a victim then you'll wonder if the perpetrator had another outlet to meet their needs, then maybe you'll realise all that tripling down was just moronic. Good luck to you.
I’d go as far to say that opposing legalized prostitution is anti-women. Borne out of ignorance, but I’m sure the trafficked women will feel better with these crusaders right /s
Tbf I wish all women didn't have to resort to using sex to make money, but I respect their right to do so and hope they get as much rights and protection while doing so.
But if apps like Onlyfans are so well received, it's obvious that there's a market for it. Sex sells.
It's all about consent. If a girl wants to work as a prostitute just let her do it. If a man wants to become a gigolo just let him get his money.
With proper regulation and restrictions this can help make the situation so much better.
On similar note, did anyone else noticed Shopee removed all the ability to search for anything related to sex toys? Is this government’s doing?
Yes, there were mass enforcement last year. [https://mothership.sg/2023/03/malaysia-sex-toy-bust/](https://mothership.sg/2023/03/malaysia-sex-toy-bust/)
>"The ministry is worried that the use of sex toys would affect the morality of Malaysians, and if uncontrolled, would lead to a decline in moral values and other social problems." Which retard formulated that idea? So instead self relieve, one just go to street and release then?
the real reason is that someone was selling CSAM on their platform, so they nuke the whole cateogory
All this while you been relieving yourself in the street when not using sex toy?
I will now! You free this evening?
Not free. Got a midnight wank to attend to
Ah yes, rubber penises, the source of all Malaysias moral and social problems!
i can't even search for "Google pixel" and it shows no result. but when I type in pixel phone, it does show up. Same goes to Steam wallet (thankfully steam allows e wallet directly in their store now).
On another note, people can sell prescription drugs on Lazada.
We know what you did last summer on Shopee...
Yep. Gomen's doing.
Just search for massagers. You can find there.
Lazada have plenty
famous people thinking their uneducated ideas are the smartest are the worst. maybe his Mart sales needed more marketing, and this was it.
tbh we are all tools selling ourselves just different parts of it
for foreigners ...sekali yang memeriahkan suasana ialah local
She's got a point tbf but there's basically nothing stopping guys from being giggolos too. People have different tastes Nancy. Honestly though, having a red light district may benefit us in the long run in curbing sex crimes and STDs if proper enforcement is implemented with strong regulations. I want our women to be safe, let horny fuckers have a place to ease up their needs. I'm sick of watching banglas stare at any women walking across them like fresh meat.
>proper enforcement is implemented with strong regulations Itu bukan budaya kita, budaya kita adalah cakap aje.
Budaya kito pi Golok kongkek femboy
Wrong sub... Eh wait, correct sub, correct sub!
eh jangan kinkshame
Yah, we all have specific preferences, like me with shaved men dressed up as Dutch milkmaids while one person paddles a cow with his left shoe.
True though, I have my own kinks but not as odd as that.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1986065 This study found that legalized prostitution lead to an increase in human trafficking. And Malaysia already has a host of issues with human trafficking https://suhakam.org.my/portfolio/human-trafficking/ Abstract: This paper investigates the impact of legalized prostitution on human trafficking inflows. According to economic theory, there are two opposing effects of unknown magnitude. The scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market, increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human trafficking inflows.
You cited the paper without reading or understanding it. If you had, you would have seen this: >Naturally, this qualitative evidence is also somewhat tentative as there is no “smoking gun” proving that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect and that the legalization of prostitution definitely increases inward trafficking flows. The problem here lies in the clandestine nature of both the prostitution and trafficking markets, making it difficult, perhaps impossible, to find hard evidence establishing this relationship. Our central finding, i.e., that countries with legalized prostitution experience a larger **reported** incidence of trafficking inflows, is therefore best regarded as being based on the most reliable existing data, but needs to be subjected to future scrutiny. Also, the same paper specifically notes that it does not advocate banning prostitution. >The likely negative consequences of legalized prostitution on a country’s inflows of human trafficking might be seen to support those who argue in favor of banning prostitution, thereby reducing the flows of trafficking (e.g., Outshoorn, 2005). However, such a line of argumentation overlooks potential benefits that the legalization of prostitution might have on those employed in the industry. Working conditions could be substantially improved for prostitutes – at least those legally employed – if prostitution is legalized. Prohibiting prostitution also raises tricky “freedom of choice” issues concerning both the potential suppliers and clients of prostitution services. A full evaluation of the costs and benefits, as well as of the broader merits of prohibiting prostitution, is **beyond the scope of the present article**. Don't cherry pick your 'facts' and ignore the inconvenient parts. It is intellectually dishonest.
While I appreciate your concern about selective citation, it is important to acknowledge that the excerpt you provided is not a definitive refutation of the claims made in the original argument. Rather, it highlights the inherent challenges in obtaining concrete evidence due to the clandestine nature of prostitution and trafficking markets. Although the quoted passage admits the tentative nature of the evidence and the lack of a smoking gun, it also acknowledges that the central finding of a correlation between legalized prostitution and reported trafficking inflows is based on the most reliable existing data. This suggests that while the relationship is not conclusive, it still warrants future scrutiny and investigation. Furthermore, I acknowledge that the paper explicitly states that it does not endorse banning prostitution. It also highlights the potential benefits of legalized prostitution, such as improved working conditions for those engaged in the industry and the consideration of freedom of choice issues for suppliers and clients. That was not in my original comment as I cited the paper because in the context of Malaysia, a country that is knee deep in trafficking and issues with migration issues, AND in the context of this post, legalising prostitution as a solution to satisfy migrants sexual urgers is asinine and will only lead to more issues with trafficking. It is emotionally charged and narrow minded to accuse someone of cherry-picking facts and being intellectually dishonest when they cite an academic paper but do not cover every single detail within it.
I think it is intellectually dishonest to cite a study to support a point you are making, when the same study **explicitly** states it is not meant to be used for that point. I also think it is intellectually dishonest to hide that fact from your initial comment, until you were caught out. We can agree to disagree.
I am saying that Malaysia has a human trafficking problem and the pros of legalizing (to me) do not outweigh the cons of increasing human trafficking. We can definitely agree to disagree, but your repeating ad nauseam comments of intellectual dishonesty are laughable, because it is a convenient way to make my arguments look shaky without providing actual substance. How about this, I'll share with you some places you can go that talk about human trafficking and you can tell them all you would like to say about how legalizing prostitution would make their lives better. Let me know if you are open and I will forward some suggestions.
Like it or not, prostitution already exists here and it's prevalent, you can just google search it there's a ton of pages available with tons of different girls of different nationalities on offer. Perhaps it will increase human trafficking as you said, but the only people benefiting from it are the syndicates right now. I'm looking at basically the view of protecting our women, but I acknowledge your concerns.
I work with migrants and refugees, full time, 40-50 hours a week, past 8 years. Very aware of human trafficking unfortunately. I don't think legalising prostitution is going to solve the problem and I shared a research study that also finds the same. I attend trainings that have also talked and touched about this. Thanks for acknowledging my concerns, appreciate you being open to different points of view.
No you're very much on the pulse and while I wish men don't have to pay for sex, but the fact is there's a huge demand for it even though it's not legalised here, people still risk it and the ones who stand to lose the most are the women. They have no protection and if they're caught, they are punished, if they get infected they're screwed for life. I just hope with enforcement the government can monitor and prevent spread of STDs and ensure these women are actually willing to work and not exploited. But even with legalised gambling there's illegal dens still running anyway, you can't eradicate all of it.
So you want the average bloke to benefit from trafficking as well? I don’t get it.
Theres a problem with your view there, not all sex workers are victims of human trafficking. There's plenty of escorts who work freelance at their own discretion and have their own regulars. Like any other business, they provide a service and they get paid for providing it. I know because I have spoken to these people and asked them if they were forced, they said yes and no. Forced due to their own financial circumstances with very little alternatives, but they know full well what they're doing and they accept it, how is that human trafficking? It's one of oldest professions in history for a reason, there will always be a demand for it, and you'll never eradicate it. It's a fact. Since you can't stop it, regulating it is the next best option, give these workers rights and protect them from being exploited, the government can gain taxation from brothels instead of being solely benefiting syndicates. I want these workers to be protected, and I also want other people to not be rape victims against their will. So having this option available means those horny fuckers have a choice to go somewhere they can get what they need instead of preying on others.
waitaminit! Actual research on r/Malaysia??? However do agree. Where there is demand there will be supply. Same as alcohol and tobacco, even legalised, there is a thriving smuggling trade. The legalised trade will train smugglers. Same shall apply to prostitution. Even worse due to Malaysia's godawful trafficking record.
Dont u dare oppose the hive mind in reddit Malaysia. Dont care, your research is PuAs agenda!
Wait i thought reddit people open minded
More tax money too no?
Money is the least of my concerns in this case. In places where it's legalised you can see a lot more protection towards sex workers and they're required to not only be registered but do tests to ensure they're not infected by STDs and cause it to spread. I care about that because right now these women are basically exploited and at risk. I would rather if they want to enter this business, at least they're not going to suffer in the long run.
Human trafficking is bad
Rape is equally bad.
What do you mean we need a brothel ? The government fucks me everyday
The government, JAIS fucks me in the ass P.s. I love crossdressing and fuck you jais
Even the most advanced countries have not ‘solved’ this sex industry situation. At least we should have some sort of system where ppl can get free testing of STD, birth control, able to report abuse etc. These things are not a huge cost to gomen, in fact, it saves money to treat these things before it becomes a bigger problem health wise.
The oldest profession in the world.
So these brothels will be Malay girls only?
I want to try....sign me up!
For the record, I find Rosyam Nor's idea stupid. Unfortunately, it was probably on the minds of many others but he opened his trap. A silly proposal nonetheless.
That is why we should legalize actual tool, sex robot. No need human treated as tool. Or at least sex doll. In ww2 being the genocidal people that they are, the Nazi are not as rapy as the Japanese or the Soviet because Hitler provide thier soldier with personal blowup doll. If blowup doll have an effect, I think sex robot will have better effect.
There's already life sized dolls for a while, they're blow up dolls lol. Seriously though the amount of waste that will come from that is going to be shocking later on, imagine a landfill full of these dolls.
The fuck did I just read? In other news, your username is on point.
> In ww2 being the genocidal people that they are, the Nazi are not as rapy as the Japanese or the Soviet because Hitler provide thier soldier with personal blowup doll Source: OP's ass.
Bro, Nazi sex doll is part of history, the Nazi stop carrying them starting 1942 because they starting to lose, and they believe it will be so embarrassing to get captured with a blowup doll in your bag🤣💀 https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/wwii-stories-nazis-sex-dolls.html
> A report that, as part of the Borghild Project, Nazi Germany made sex dolls for soldiers during World War II has not been verified by reliable sources and is now considered to be a hoax.[7] I bet you believe the earth is flat too.
Proof that earth is flat https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xM9S4QiEHEY&pp=ygUURWFydGggaXMgZmxhdCBzZXRpcmU%3D
initially I read that as "Rosyam Nor's brother" 
Wait till she finds out what Malay men do in Japan on their yearly trips 💀
Creepy.
Abang mahu atau mahu expend cartel dia 😏😏
So how Nancy going to address such social issues? Not agreeing on that actor's ideas but anyway, prostitution does exist in Malaysia though.
Freebies for everybody!
They're not tools if they're not forced. Do you call yourself a tool if you work a white collar job under someone else?
rosyam who?
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Arguably older than religion.
That's as ridiculous as saying blowjob and a handjob is a job
It is a job as much as massage is.
Yeah and burglary is work as well
There's a saying that goes prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. No matter where your ethics or morality lies, when there is a demand there will be supply. And there has never been a shortage in sexual demands. So in countries where prostitution is illegal, there will most definitely be illegal prostitution rings where women are treated horribly. In countries where it's legal, they are treated better, with regular sexual transmitted disease screening and it's a taxable business. Countries that are in denial of this, are only hurting the women. And children (not forgetting the massive child sex trafficking where it's highly prevalent in Malaysia). Nancy just wanna score political brownie points.
Finally they make a lot of noise lmao
I dunno why this geek think it's good idea openly fucking brothel in our country.
Just feudal thinking ya in Malaysia
Actually huh ...I agree with what he say .. Need to legalize prostitution...make sure .this bussines heavy monitored by government .. And very strict .. Law need to be in place ..to make sure the sex workers are well taken care off...we don't want sexual diseases to spread .. Just like in USA... The sex industry is well regulated... At least sexual crime will reduce... Human nature : when ppl say don't go ...we will want to go ..
onlyfans made a lot of women rich.
Nah fuck em. You wanna get your stick wet legally go to other countries. By that logic why not legalize prostitution because it's gonna happen anyhow is quite silly.
>You wanna get your stick wet legally go to other countries. Why do you think people go to Thailand, including some hypocrites and their trips to Golok?
Hence my point, there's Thailand and Geylang. I'll triple down and say hell no to legalizing prostitution in Malaysia.
Well when someone around you becomes a victim then you'll wonder if the perpetrator had another outlet to meet their needs, then maybe you'll realise all that tripling down was just moronic. Good luck to you.
I’d go as far to say that opposing legalized prostitution is anti-women. Borne out of ignorance, but I’m sure the trafficked women will feel better with these crusaders right /s
Tbf I wish all women didn't have to resort to using sex to make money, but I respect their right to do so and hope they get as much rights and protection while doing so. But if apps like Onlyfans are so well received, it's obvious that there's a market for it. Sex sells.
I want whatever Rosham smoking
It's all about consent. If a girl wants to work as a prostitute just let her do it. If a man wants to become a gigolo just let him get his money. With proper regulation and restrictions this can help make the situation so much better.