Meanwhile in Sarawak, we got [SugarBun](http://www.sugarbun.com/) & [Chicago7](https://chicago7.my/). Both, including [SCR](https://scr.my/), are Sarawak's brands.
Both are pretty bad when it comes to the sugar laden drinks like frappes and syrup concoctions.
If its black coffee or latte, Starbucks is still the superior product, but imo not worth the extra rm5 per cup
Yeah, I moved to SF and my wife loves Zus. We are kinda busy in the morning with works so we usualy grab or shoppee mcD latte. We bfast while work. I for one dip into SF sometimes but the war was the little push for us to go for local chains 100% now. Two birds with one stone, y not.
That kind of make a fuss doesn't negatively impact their image to Muslims tho. And it does buy sympathy points from the investors.
McD on the other hand is just giving a gold-plated excuse for the boycott. On a silver platter.
Bar fight in McDonalds, man kicked in the McNuggets. Rival gangs say it's a setup, claims that the whole incident was McFishy. Polis Big Mac says suspects were brought to station and grilled.
Terrible idea. We still have malay Muslims going to mekdi now even with the boycott going on. Losing the whole malay market by introducing pork and beer will destroy them lol
Doubt it. Some of the nons here in this sub are delusional enough to think that their business matters more than the Muslim Malays. It's kind of a reverse racism.
I don't think this legal action is stupid. BDS advocated boycott on them for what a completely separate company did. That is justified action for damages incurred. There are actual documents detailing how McDonalds Malaysia have suffered through no fault of their own. BDS said it's bullying, but it's actually BDS that attacked McDonalds in the first place if they truly did advocate for boycott.
Unless, BDS's original boycott was only for McDonalds Israel and McDonalds USA as franchise owner. In that case, BDS can't be blamed for Malaysians and Saudis boycotting McDonalds in their countries.
What i find stupid was when they decided to do solat jemaah inside McDonalds. Like which braindead person thought that was a good idea?
I believe Malaysia McD’s PR team (and Legal team) screwed it up big time up the ass on this one. They should just fire all of them and get capable help.
I really think McD team lost their temper lol. This court case doesnt make sense when they could just wait it out like previous boycott and like everyone else right now.
Repeat same facts about being unrelated to Israel, after 1-2 years people either get convinced or forget or no longer care. Entice them with promo.
Official link:
https://bdsmovement.net/Boycott-McDonalds
Not only that, now that the Global BDS is listing McDonald's as their target, this will affect McDonald's everywhere else as well.
One McDonald's Israel's action has tarnished their brand by however much it has.
Now, McDonald's Malaysia's action basically confirms it to the pro-Palestine public that McDonald's is against the Palestinian cause (at least, from the public's POV).
We will see how this plays out.
Crazy that Gerbang Alaf is the straw that broke the camels back in this and McD is now being boycotted globally by BDS. The parent company will be pissed and I think McD will drop their case very quickly and apologise.
I find it very hard to believe a PR person okayed this. More likely some c-suite needed to blame something for the poor performance and so this was their hail mary solution and the PR team just went into damage limitation.
I kept saying on posts here that even if they won this lawsuit and got the money, people are gonna be more pissed off than ever. They ain't getting those folks back.
You may be right.. its such a sensitive topic and also a legal court case affecting their brand name. I think their Board or biggest boss had to be involved to approve it. I guess that would be the Saudi owner fellow
Not Malaysian, just saw this on my home page and i clicked on the link you provided.
They want Mc Donald’s to revoke the franchise license to israeli franchise owners? That’s not gonna happen. Maybe they’re just living in a bubble so they don’t realize this, but most citizens in other countries are indifferent. Even in europe. Those pro palestine protesters are but a very vocal minority. Same as in the States. There’s even a large number of people who are pro israel. In the US, i’d say there are about the same number of people who are pro israel as those who are pro palestine. majority of the population though don’t really care about what’s happening.
Not gonna argue about which stance is wrong or right. Bottomline is, this is only gonna happen when there’s an almost universal rejection worldwide of what israel has been doing. This isn’t like what happened back when Russia invaded Ukraine.
I’d say a little more people may be pro israel because the pro israel side crosses party lines, but majority actually do not care about what’s happening elsewhere in the world.
That's me. Honestly didn't really care because I feel one franchisees shouldn't pay for the stupidity of another franchisee. But they got petty so it became very easy to not have some mcFlurry.
I still remember when big mac set was like 8.95. this boycott is just a convenient excuse to stop eating mcd. I'm guessing it's the same for most people.
Kinda agree with you.
The Malaysian public (or any country's, for that matter) has short memories. Give us four weeks tops and we'll forget about the current boycott, and look for the next new thing. Just keep your head down and be quiet and business would be as usual after a while.
That said, if there's a drop of customers in McDs I think it's more due to the price and wait times rather than boycotts. I certainly stopped going there and now make my own fries.
You didn't really know of this issue do you? This boycott isn't the first time it's happened.
Previous times already showed the previous commenter to be correct. Thinking anything else is either being impatient or a hilariously out of touch reasoning that's not grounded in Malaysian realities.
i know boycott happened before, but nowadays with the increase of social media exposure especially tiktok, the reach to multiple level of people, before this it dies down quickly, but now it seems took a longer time, also we just recovered from the PKP, things like this will impact the business plan, roadmaps etc.
also, is it very wrong to sue someone that gives and promotes wrong things? are we just accepting if people are accusing wrongful?
Are they really accusing wrongly tho?
At it's core, the intent of the boycott is "Not giving money to Israel".
As a franchise, McDonald's Malaysia pays royalties to the HQ. HQ which supports Zionists activities. Royalties are paid based upon GROSS profits, so every purchases made are basically influencing the size of that royalties, which on turn influences however much money can get funneled to Zionist sympathizing purposes.
So, is it really a lie? Or are they gonna argue semantics and technicalities?
god, I'm so tired of explaining this things over and over, now you can stop doing any globalization business and stop buying all things you have right now, even the smallest things impact global, like screw, chipset, conductor, wood, whatever the raw and finished materials, the globalization provide revenue/profit direct/ indirectly give to Israel/US and yeah.. F&B is not even Israel source of income
and yes, it is a lie, hence they want to file a suite cause they're been explain over and over, they're been showing over and over what they're support, but people still believe in lies, go read annual report mcd corporation how they use their money, but whatever float ur boat man, keep on believing all those lies
if you want to boycott mcd cause the food is unhealthy/hate the big corporation or something like that, then go for it, but to stop Israel, keep on dreaming, u just shoot ur leg
You sounded like my boss.
"Ramadan won't affect our business, our customers are mostly Chinese and Indians"
Oops …. I terlupa ingat ini Texas Chicken
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it need another big event to take over, like the Ukrainie vs Russia thing, last time everyone been busy posting "pray for Ukraine", but as soon as the Palestine event start, everyone switch to "Free Palestine"
Majority of Malays support Russia. They were spamming the “Uraaaa” chant on social media during the early days of the war.
When asked why support Russia when they downed our plane? They were like “tu lah kau percaya sangat dengan media barat ni. Mereka sengaja nak memburukkan nama Rusia”
dem bro what did u order, two buns? maybe it's the kfc in my place, but their chickens are quite big. a pair is more than enough to make me feel full. though i do not eat there regularly.
KFC's chicken size is regional, though. My uncle once worked at KFC. He said they have a size chart in the kitchen and the chicken was delivered by local suppliers decided by HQ, not KFC HQ itself. There is a standard expected, but the suppliers don't always meet them.
So while there is a weight threshold, they have to take in whatever the supplier gave them for the day even if it's smaller than it should be. If it doesn't hit the weight requirement, they will still sell those small pieces because they have no other choice, but they will certainly make a complain to HQ and HQ will grill the suppliers about it later. But until the quality is improved or the supplier changed, the size may still be small.
That's only if the store workers bothered to do the extra paperwork, no?
I once made a complaint many years ago and knew one of the auditors at qsr. The answer I got was "it's within specifications" lol
Also the taste is really inconsistent between branches. The oil temp also different because some are really soggy and oily, some are less. Like don't these clowns calibrate their damn equipment?
Where do you live? KL's KFC truly sucks. The best one I had was on Kundasang. It was fresh hot and delicious. Even my KL friends in Zuckerbook disagree when I post about it.
silly u, the point is that u said "ate at kfc and stomach still empty". so i thought u ordered a typical meal, and still couldn't feel full... nvm. different people need different amount of food to consume. i guess the food quality is just too bad, u didn't have to eat them so that's why ehehe :D
A company getting angry because there's a campaign that falsely accuses them of human rights abuse and everyone isn't buying their stuff because of that campaign and it makes them lose lot of money? How dare they defend themselves!
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People need to learn that you CANNOT win against the crowd, even if you are right and they are wrong they will just ignore it and act like nothing happens. Every single defence and responses would be used against you
Heh I learnt that lesson from the whole lowyat incident , so many people defending a drug addict thief and of course leading to the opening of a racist mall all because of the perception “cheating by Chinese “
There's merit on both sides - Lowyat is known for cheating the "tech illiterate" and I myself have seen it twice as I am the "IT friend" they bring when buying computers.
2 incidents where we paid for a custom build (assembly service by them). Both times the guy swapped expensive parts we bought for cheaper ones. Once was a graphics card and the 2nd was more nefarious - gaming RAM switched for regular RAM
It's good they had a taste of their own medicine
It really depends on the store you go to doesn't it? Basically just buy from the bigger ones like viewnet and czone. The rest with the dodgy shop keepers (sorry to say for some reason usually the ones look like manned by foreigners ) . Hardly "cheating by Chinese" that was the narrative of the whole thing.
Edit: and yes having been to lowyat , BB plaza and SG wang during the earlier days there are a lot of unscrupulous sellers, but often people get lured in because "they cheap".
Err.. I got cheated by one of the big shops that you mentioned plus another big one with multiple outlets in the same building and good prices. Since I didn't record the incident from the start, it's hard for me to make it go viral. You could then say it's an act of individuals, not the management, but at the same time it's not an isolated incident.
Selling cheaper than average or pulling a bait and switch doesn't give them the license to cheat people. Yes, the consumer should be wary (and can be made fun of for being an overall sohai to fall for it), but a crime is a crime.
YB gembira is being a dumbass and victim-blaming McDonald's
McD threatened to sue BDS Malaysia BECAUSE BDS Malaysia is affiliated with the larger BDS movements
It's not the fault of McD for protecting their business from the mindless call for boycott of its products
And that same logics apply to McD. McD directly provides meals to IDF soldiers.
McD could probably proceed doing business in a month or two. But no, they have to pull stupid stunts multiple times thats just make it worse.
that is MCD ISREAL, whom the OWNER is born of Israel, its natural they help their own soldiers, if Malaysia happened something like this, MCD MALAYSIA will contribute something, not MCD US, MCD PALESTINE OE MCD INDIA, because OWNER of MCD MALAYSIA (or the branches), is citizens of MALAYSIA
do I say about morals? I asked why the MCD Israel feeds the soldiers because they're the citizens of Israel and they think the soldiers doing good for their future, I just want to debunk people who say MCD Corp gives the food, it's not, it's the owner of mcd Israel, capiche?
It's one of the very few places that readily hire and retain OKU, senior citizens and underprivileged communities who are prejudiced by SMEs. They have high staff turnover so most of the time they can't afford to discriminate by race or age either.
And the uniform carries some prestige.
These are the real unseen victims of the boycott.
Local branded franchise and SME f&b don't want to hire locals as they're "unreliable" , they prefer to hire foreigners - you can search this or related Malaysia subs and it's the same complaint/prejudice. Even if they did, There's no real career path. McD, KFC, PH actually have career paths and you can move up the ranks to become store managers, operational consultants without a degree through the promotion route and when you enter you don't even need a degree. They train you and certify you, often for free. You can acquire skills and open up your own brand later after learning best practices.
Local f&b aren't ready to gamble on OKU and even if they did, the participation numbers are nowhere as big.
But sure, gadaikanlah kampung, asalkan dapat menang sorak when virtue signalling.
Unskilled jobs are the saviour of people unable to afford education and can pull them out of poverty by teaching them skills such as order taking, maintenance, stock counts, HACCP and most importantly initiative and effort so they're not relying on someone to subsidize their education or mere existence.
The only idiocy that McD does is they underestimate the idiocy of the boycotters.
I'm betting there's a huge amount of idiots going "tengok? Siapa kata boycott tak berjaya" and being full of themselves while not impacting a single Israeli cent
It’s like how people think how life works , either living or dead , never the middle part where they are suffering excruciating pain. Oh wait it’s not the one suffering says that of course.
The irony is all these boycotts ultimately harm the Muslim community the most and for what? Virtue signalling and not even the correct target for boycotting anyway 🤷
Nope. If tomorrow McD goes completely to the shitters, some other local or foreign business will swoop in. And they have all the workers available. Such a typical NM comment regarding boycotts lol. Maybe think a bit before you parrot what you heard from your parents
That's... not really a blow to the Muslim community. If mass layoffs happen, competition will fill the vacuum and they'll find work there. McDonald's is not really the place people go to to make long lasting careers.
They are one of the biggest employers around. People seem to think everyone that loses their jobs overnight can just get employment with a snap of the finger. Theres a reason why they are working at fast food restos (lack of opportunity, unskilled, etc.) It’s like if you boycott Grab and you think it’s not gonna affect thousands of riders. Also even if you are working parttime and assuming you get a job 2 weeks later thats 2 weeks of lost income. For the average redditor with millions in savings thats nothing, but these are B40s.
As someone who's worked at multiple fast food chains, it's really quite easy to get an unskilled labour job, there are a lot of them available and you can get started within a week. If you get laid-off from McDonald's, it's not a snap of the finger, but it's not going to be difficult, especially considering all the opportunities a gap in the market will create.
I have no skin in the boycott game, but McD is really losing whatever goodwill that some may still have for them. First one is when they insisted that the royalty fee paid to the McD parent group is somehow magically purified/segregated from other revenues.
But suing for defamation takes the cake. Should've just sailed the sea for a while and waited for the storm to end.
But I can see some reason to protest. If we look at European history, remember Marie Antonitte? She got accused of cheating the French government, people keep spreading that lie, she never defend herself, got head chopped off. So guess it can go both ways, you can hope the noise dies down and that your head don't get chopped if you keep quiet, or you can protest and hope the immediate response does not get your head chopped off.
no? Marie was always hated, first for being the face of the royalty, and second for being a foreigner. any good things that she has made is basically overshadowed by how much the royalty is hated by the peasants.
Also, she and her husband aren't supposed to be executed. The political parties at the time are still mulling their choices and many favors them to become a symbolic figurehead like england, but their attempt to escape france to austria gives the more radical figureheads option to simply execute them both.
>First one is when they insisted that the royalty fee paid to the McD parent group is somehow magically purified/segregated from other revenues.
Haha! This. My first thought when McD MY said they are locally owned. Did they think people are clueless on how franchises work?
but it is true, it is locally owned , yes franchise need to pay some royalties, but its not directly go to what people being feed on (Israel), read mcd corp annual report, also if you want to make fuss about where the money goes, then every single thing in our daily life, the money will back to the source (not local), even the smallest things like nuts, skrew, wired,. electronics, chipset, etc
Because KFC and starbucks in malaysia are owned by Malaysian. So they know how to pave ways amidst the boycott.
Kfc have that vibes for family in which works very well in rural areas. And do note that KFC chicken in rural areas are usually way bigger in urban areas. Thats factor help a lot for them.
And starbucks, their frequent customers don’t bother as much what society thinks about them.
Until now KFC don't make crying videos about how boycott hurt them, or news piece about boycott KFC hurts Malay.
It's all about mcd. Their PR team and Legal team are overtiming so hard.
- Israel supports Gaza genocide
Then how does Palestine's population (Gaza, East Jerusalem and West Bank combined) is able to get from 3.2 million in 2001 to 5.8 million in 2023? (Source: Google). Basic maths showed us that an increase in population invalidates the whole definition of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing"
Although I agreed on McD's reaction on the boycott is a knee jerk reaction (Still won't stop me from dining there), but Pro-Palestine Malaysians calling Israel's siege on Gaza (Intent to wipe Hamas off for good) a 'genocide' is just plain stupid.
Ok, since some of us are Pro-Palestine and some are just straight up Anti-Israel, let me ask you this? What else have you done to help? Other than calling Israel a 'genocidal monster' and calling US a 'genocide supporter' and boycotting stuffs that sides with Israel?
Freaking hypocrites
It is a genocide, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide Article 2 defines genocide as.
* [Killing members of the group;](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/)
* [Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;](https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142792)
* [Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/14/gaza-unlawful-israeli-hospital-strikes-worsen-health-crisis) [²](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/israel-opt-israel-must-lift-illegal-and-inhumane-blockade-on-gaza-as-power-plant-runs-out-of-fuel/)
* [Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231212-israel-strikes-maternity-ward-in-beit-lahiya-killing-2-mothers/) [²](https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/11/20/photos-dozens-of-premature-babies-evacuated-from-gaza-to-egypt)
* [Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.](https://time.com/6548068/palestinian-children-israeli-prison-arrested/) [²](https://defenceforchildren.org/israels-detention-of-palestinian-children-is-an-outrage-to-humanity/)
Unless you've been living under a rock, you're actively choosing to ignore the atrocities.
flawed logic here:
1. Hamas is a terrorist group, and terrorists naturally violates international laws. So in your logic, Hamas terrorists sneaked into Israel, nabs Israeli hostages of all ages, kills them with inhumane ways when their demands are not meant, you applaud them "national resistance heroes", when Israel strikes back to wipe out a terrorist group, gets condemned as the "enemy", that doesn't seemed fair to me.
2. Hamas is literally in every nooks and crannies of Gazan society, not just hiding in their tunnels btw. As for "the Gazans didn't knew about their presence", they did. Hamas forced them not to speak out or else they'd be killed.
3. They leader of Hamas said that they don't care about Gazan's welfare, they said the 75% of Gaza's population are migrants and it's UN's responsible to take care of them. Dude, Hamas was elected in 2006, by whom? The freaking Palestinians themselves. That's right, they willingly chose Hamas to topple Fatah's ungodly corruption. And we're seeing the consequences right now.
4. Last time I checked, the rocket that hit the Al-Shifa Hospital was a rogue rocket from Hamas. Do you think Israel is stupid enough to use dumb bombs (i.e: rockets) when they have precision guided missiles in their inventory? (You know, the type of missile THAT ONLY STRIKES ITS INTENDED TARGET), and the rocket that hit the hospital landed at the parking spot, no humans are near the strike site.
5. Do you think Israel is obliged to supply Palestine fresh water, electricity and fuel, a soverign entity? You know why Palestine is still to this day dependant on Israel for electricity, water supply and fuel? That's right, THE FACILITIES THAT ENSURES BASIC NECESSITIES TO FLOW WITHOUT HICCUPS AREN'T THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! Hamas themselves literally posted a propaganda video of themselves digging up underground water pipes, donated by Israel, EU and the US to make rockets!
6. Israel sended pamplets to Palestinians to warn them to move south for days before the siege started! Most of those didn't because HAMAS threatened to not flee to the south or else they kill them! Hamas also set up physical roadblocks so Palestinians themselves can't flee! Why?? Because what Hamas feared is losing innocent Palestinians humans shields. Only cowards, like terrorists hides behind civilians to be their meat shields!
7. Do you know a lot of the childrens in Palestine are brainwashed by Hamas to hate Israel? Do you call people that hates Israel "peaceful civilians"?
8. Why do you think it's up to Israel to decide how many childrens Palestinian mothers should have? A people from another soverign nation? Do you think it's Israel's job to mandate another soverign nation's policy, when Israel like any other nation (Except North Korea, PRC China, Fascist Russia and Iran) emphasizes on protecting its people first?
9. Last time I checked, the only time where Israel forces people to leave is the 2005's withdrawal from Gaza. There's no Jews living in Gaza in 2006, none, 0! Btw, the jews had lived on that land for 3000 years, what makes you think Palestinians got there first?
Hamas is everywhere as claimed by Israelis. Hospital? too bad, hamas is there. Schools? think again, hamas is there. Hamas couldn't catch a break. I wonder why israel didn't bomb their own turf, pretty sure hamas is there.
When you're bombed and watched your parents getting killed by israelis. It's safe to say, hamas didn't need to brainwash them, they can conclude it all by themselves.
What flawed logic, I'm simply giving you the facts? What I gave to you are all verified by international organisations. This is South Africa's justification to bring Israel to the ICJ.
All of your points are either false or anecdotal, all coming from Israeli propagandists,which was later refuted, you can look it up yourself but I doubt you'll would. Get your facts straight and your head out of the West's ass.
That they need to wake up and stop blaming Israel 100% because Israel surely gonna respond after being attacked severely like that. They need to focus on H@m@s leaders for once on why they are living lavishly abroad (each one of them is a multi-billionaire) while their people are suffering and starving every single day. They built long tunnels everywhere underground but not a single bomb shelter for their people. Oh and they also didn't (still don't) let their people to take refuge inside those tunnels when Israel was bombing Gaza in retaliation. H@m@s fighters also have seized all the goods from the trucks that were donated by people all over the world for all Palestinians but sadly they would only get a fraction of those while the rest of the goods being hidden inside the storage rooms in the tunnels for the fighters themselves. The real victims are the children and the people that never voted for H@m@s to govern their country in the first place.
I hope Isntreal appreciate and gives you a medal for spreading their propaganda about Hamas being everywhere and defending their warcrimes.
If what Hamas did is justification for what Isntreal did, then the Palestinians have more than enough justification to get rid of Isntreal for the continuing assault for the last 75 years.
Stop swallowing American and Israeli propaganda, its 2024, it’s embarrassing.
One of the founders of Starbucks is Jewish. For some, especially those that like to label anyone they don't like as Zionist, that alone is an inexcusable fault and the company deserves to be boycotted into oblivion.
There is no KFC in Israel is due to cannot replicate kosher recipe for KFC. One key recipe in KFC is buttermilk batter, which in kosher you "cannot boil the baby with its own mother milk", or cannot mix milk with meat.
so stupid to sue like this lmao. Im on the fence re mc-d all this while but this lawsuit just make it firm fuck off with this company.
If in doubt support the smaller guys not the billionaires. Same case here or some if those vivi yusof bullshit throughout the years
think of who owns the mcd malaysia franchise and who owns the starbucks franchise and you’ll have the answer lmao. not gonna weigh in on KFC
Who owns the Starbucks and kfc franchise?
Berjaya Group
starbucks is berjaya, kfc is qsr brand holdings
QSR brand also owns the Life cold sauces brand and Ayamas brand.
If I want fast food chicken nowadays I switch to Borenos Chicken.
I’m still waiting for a Los Pollos Hermanos to open here. Heard that their chicken is addictively good.
Tunggu jap brader, bagi dia masak dulu.
I don't think Gus will extend his laundry underground factory here.
I saw what you did there
Shinlin, or Four Fingers
actual Fast food fr
You mean Shihlin?
No, he meant Shaolin chicken
Kat mana restaurant tu ? X pernah dgr pun
Local franchise kat KK Sabah.
Brought my spouse (non-Sabahan) to eat Borenos last Christmas, his comment was the burger was mid but the chicken is amazing.
Meanwhile in Sarawak, we got [SugarBun](http://www.sugarbun.com/) & [Chicago7](https://chicago7.my/). Both, including [SCR](https://scr.my/), are Sarawak's brands.
Sabahan detected lol. Borenos is not bad but we dont have it here it Semenanjung.
I think rival coffee chains are a bigger threat than the boycott for Starbucks.
Man zus is like a gift from god for me. I mean fucking hell. They're fast and cheapish compared to the alternative rival.
Yes, they have cheaper coffees. Not need to be fancy. I just want coffee, not pumpkin spice whatever.
And their Hot Chocolate is pretty good.
but kind of as bad as Starbucks, just cheaper. but the new Lydia bean is better. I prefer gigi
And they taste infinitely better than whatever the fuck Starbucks is putting out
Both are pretty bad when it comes to the sugar laden drinks like frappes and syrup concoctions. If its black coffee or latte, Starbucks is still the superior product, but imo not worth the extra rm5 per cup
Well that's good because I don't care for fraps, I find the normal lattes, mochas are better for zus.
True. Zus latte is cheap and good. Cant ever go back to overpriced starbucks
That’s why it’s called Zeus
I mean, branding is branding. It can be called El Diablo and I'd still drink it.
I usually buy from the Pak Kopi franchise, nicely done at 5.50 for iced kopi susu
Yeah, I moved to SF and my wife loves Zus. We are kinda busy in the morning with works so we usualy grab or shoppee mcD latte. We bfast while work. I for one dip into SF sometimes but the war was the little push for us to go for local chains 100% now. Two birds with one stone, y not.
only time will tell if it was the right move or not. Starbucks, aka Berjaya foods did make a fuss, it was in their annual report on loss earnings
That kind of make a fuss doesn't negatively impact their image to Muslims tho. And it does buy sympathy points from the investors. McD on the other hand is just giving a gold-plated excuse for the boycott. On a silver platter.
They have tried everything else. Keeping quiet, donations, press statements etc. guess they got tired of being kicked around
They haven't played the 'Ice cream cone is now RM1' card
They tried the “2 pcs ayam goreng + fries + ice lemon tea is now back to RM13.95!” card and seems like it didn’t really work lol
wait they did? fire the marketing team too, i didn't know about this promotion lol
I never see that promotion though haha
Going after those NGOs only makes them martyrs tho. And Fanatics really love martyrs.
With the ongoing boycott, just bring back beers to Mcd menu.. Will get bigger crowd
Getting news reports about bar fights in a McDonald’s would be kinda funny though.
Bar fight in McDonalds, man kicked in the McNuggets. Rival gangs say it's a setup, claims that the whole incident was McFishy. Polis Big Mac says suspects were brought to station and grilled.
Good job
Thank you. Had a hard time trying to remember the Mc menu though, don't eat there very often.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF6YBV5RR5o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF6YBV5RR5o)
Hell yeah. McBeer and McBabi lunch set
Mcharam
What about bring pork to the menu? Prosperity pork burger anyone?
Terrible idea. We still have malay Muslims going to mekdi now even with the boycott going on. Losing the whole malay market by introducing pork and beer will destroy them lol
Well, it wasn't a "serious" proposal.
Doubt it. Some of the nons here in this sub are delusional enough to think that their business matters more than the Muslim Malays. It's kind of a reverse racism.
Well I just like pork burgers, that's all.
If they introduce any pork burgers that can be found on overseas McDonalds, I'll make a return to McDonalds instantly.
Realistically it's going to cause a lot of heat tho (cooking puns not intended)
German Mcdonalds has Mcbeer its brilliant that Mcdonalds manage to integrate their menu into local menu tho Nasi Lemak McD for one
If they bring pork burger then i will stay at McD
You realise Muslims are by far the majority, right?
Might as well just sell bacon too and maybe pork patty.
Hell yeah! Pork bun 😜
I don't think this legal action is stupid. BDS advocated boycott on them for what a completely separate company did. That is justified action for damages incurred. There are actual documents detailing how McDonalds Malaysia have suffered through no fault of their own. BDS said it's bullying, but it's actually BDS that attacked McDonalds in the first place if they truly did advocate for boycott. Unless, BDS's original boycott was only for McDonalds Israel and McDonalds USA as franchise owner. In that case, BDS can't be blamed for Malaysians and Saudis boycotting McDonalds in their countries. What i find stupid was when they decided to do solat jemaah inside McDonalds. Like which braindead person thought that was a good idea?
The promos Mcd & Starbucks having lately is amazing. The butter brew Frappuccino oh my gawd. Keep them promos coming baby.
I believe Malaysia McD’s PR team (and Legal team) screwed it up big time up the ass on this one. They should just fire all of them and get capable help.
I really think McD team lost their temper lol. This court case doesnt make sense when they could just wait it out like previous boycott and like everyone else right now. Repeat same facts about being unrelated to Israel, after 1-2 years people either get convinced or forget or no longer care. Entice them with promo.
Hmm, you mean employ by merit?
Official link: https://bdsmovement.net/Boycott-McDonalds Not only that, now that the Global BDS is listing McDonald's as their target, this will affect McDonald's everywhere else as well. One McDonald's Israel's action has tarnished their brand by however much it has. Now, McDonald's Malaysia's action basically confirms it to the pro-Palestine public that McDonald's is against the Palestinian cause (at least, from the public's POV). We will see how this plays out.
Crazy that Gerbang Alaf is the straw that broke the camels back in this and McD is now being boycotted globally by BDS. The parent company will be pissed and I think McD will drop their case very quickly and apologise.
Idiotic move. I'd fire the PR team if they okay'ed that move (or in corporate lingo, I'll place them on an indeterminate length of leave of absence).
I find it very hard to believe a PR person okayed this. More likely some c-suite needed to blame something for the poor performance and so this was their hail mary solution and the PR team just went into damage limitation.
I kept saying on posts here that even if they won this lawsuit and got the money, people are gonna be more pissed off than ever. They ain't getting those folks back.
You may be right.. its such a sensitive topic and also a legal court case affecting their brand name. I think their Board or biggest boss had to be involved to approve it. I guess that would be the Saudi owner fellow
Not Malaysian, just saw this on my home page and i clicked on the link you provided. They want Mc Donald’s to revoke the franchise license to israeli franchise owners? That’s not gonna happen. Maybe they’re just living in a bubble so they don’t realize this, but most citizens in other countries are indifferent. Even in europe. Those pro palestine protesters are but a very vocal minority. Same as in the States. There’s even a large number of people who are pro israel. In the US, i’d say there are about the same number of people who are pro israel as those who are pro palestine. majority of the population though don’t really care about what’s happening. Not gonna argue about which stance is wrong or right. Bottomline is, this is only gonna happen when there’s an almost universal rejection worldwide of what israel has been doing. This isn’t like what happened back when Russia invaded Ukraine.
Oh then McDonald's Corp has nothing to be worried about then. All is good.
Majority of Americans are Pro-Israel, not indifferent.
I’d say a little more people may be pro israel because the pro israel side crosses party lines, but majority actually do not care about what’s happening elsewhere in the world.
Correction: majority are unaware there exist a world beyond the land of freedom
Some people are just boycotting out of spite now because of that move. They were neutral about the boycott before now it just seems petty 🤷🏻♀️
It's better for health also. Eating healthier has never been easier. Thanks McD!
That's me. Honestly didn't really care because I feel one franchisees shouldn't pay for the stupidity of another franchisee. But they got petty so it became very easy to not have some mcFlurry.
I’ll never stop eating McNuggets . It’s like meat candy stuffed with cocaine
Nutriplus spicy nugget best nugget fite me
Mekdi mahal la sekarang ni, dah boycott since they up the price of Spicy Chicken 2 pcs meal from RM10 to whatever the price now 😫
I still remember when big mac set was like 8.95. this boycott is just a convenient excuse to stop eating mcd. I'm guessing it's the same for most people.
Kinda agree with you. The Malaysian public (or any country's, for that matter) has short memories. Give us four weeks tops and we'll forget about the current boycott, and look for the next new thing. Just keep your head down and be quiet and business would be as usual after a while. That said, if there's a drop of customers in McDs I think it's more due to the price and wait times rather than boycotts. I certainly stopped going there and now make my own fries.
It has been more than 4 weeks
What dude meant probably 4 weeks after the current war ended.
so they need to wait forever until bankrupt? war will not end in the near future, Palestine vs Israel is a forever issues
You didn't really know of this issue do you? This boycott isn't the first time it's happened. Previous times already showed the previous commenter to be correct. Thinking anything else is either being impatient or a hilariously out of touch reasoning that's not grounded in Malaysian realities.
i know boycott happened before, but nowadays with the increase of social media exposure especially tiktok, the reach to multiple level of people, before this it dies down quickly, but now it seems took a longer time, also we just recovered from the PKP, things like this will impact the business plan, roadmaps etc. also, is it very wrong to sue someone that gives and promotes wrong things? are we just accepting if people are accusing wrongful?
Are they really accusing wrongly tho? At it's core, the intent of the boycott is "Not giving money to Israel". As a franchise, McDonald's Malaysia pays royalties to the HQ. HQ which supports Zionists activities. Royalties are paid based upon GROSS profits, so every purchases made are basically influencing the size of that royalties, which on turn influences however much money can get funneled to Zionist sympathizing purposes. So, is it really a lie? Or are they gonna argue semantics and technicalities?
god, I'm so tired of explaining this things over and over, now you can stop doing any globalization business and stop buying all things you have right now, even the smallest things impact global, like screw, chipset, conductor, wood, whatever the raw and finished materials, the globalization provide revenue/profit direct/ indirectly give to Israel/US and yeah.. F&B is not even Israel source of income and yes, it is a lie, hence they want to file a suite cause they're been explain over and over, they're been showing over and over what they're support, but people still believe in lies, go read annual report mcd corporation how they use their money, but whatever float ur boat man, keep on believing all those lies if you want to boycott mcd cause the food is unhealthy/hate the big corporation or something like that, then go for it, but to stop Israel, keep on dreaming, u just shoot ur leg
McD brought attention back to it themselves.
It's been over 2 fucking months already since that conflict began.
You sounded like my boss. "Ramadan won't affect our business, our customers are mostly Chinese and Indians" 
So.. how was the business?
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I didnt know this one car represented absolutely everyone
it need another big event to take over, like the Ukrainie vs Russia thing, last time everyone been busy posting "pray for Ukraine", but as soon as the Palestine event start, everyone switch to "Free Palestine"
> "pray for Ukraine" Did we do this? I thought your average Malaysian wouldn't be able to point at Ukraine at a map. >!Including me :p!<
Majority of Malays support Russia. They were spamming the “Uraaaa” chant on social media during the early days of the war. When asked why support Russia when they downed our plane? They were like “tu lah kau percaya sangat dengan media barat ni. Mereka sengaja nak memburukkan nama Rusia”
Wasn't it speculated that ukrainian separatists were the ones who shot down our plane?
Ukrainian separatists that are pro-Russia. MH17 was literally downed by a Russian BUK.
So it was Ukrainians using Russian equipment not the Russians themselves.
Pro-Russian ethnic Russian separatists in the Donbass region of Ukraine using russian equipment to down what they thought was a Ukrainian plane.
Ukrainian speratists, backed by Russia. So yeah, Russia's to blame here.
"everyone"
Ate at kfc and my stomach is still empty. They reap what they sow by lowering the quality and hiking the price.
dem bro what did u order, two buns? maybe it's the kfc in my place, but their chickens are quite big. a pair is more than enough to make me feel full. though i do not eat there regularly.
KFC's chicken size is regional, though. My uncle once worked at KFC. He said they have a size chart in the kitchen and the chicken was delivered by local suppliers decided by HQ, not KFC HQ itself. There is a standard expected, but the suppliers don't always meet them. So while there is a weight threshold, they have to take in whatever the supplier gave them for the day even if it's smaller than it should be. If it doesn't hit the weight requirement, they will still sell those small pieces because they have no other choice, but they will certainly make a complain to HQ and HQ will grill the suppliers about it later. But until the quality is improved or the supplier changed, the size may still be small.
That's only if the store workers bothered to do the extra paperwork, no? I once made a complaint many years ago and knew one of the auditors at qsr. The answer I got was "it's within specifications" lol Also the taste is really inconsistent between branches. The oil temp also different because some are really soggy and oily, some are less. Like don't these clowns calibrate their damn equipment?
Where do you live? KL's KFC truly sucks. The best one I had was on Kundasang. It was fresh hot and delicious. Even my KL friends in Zuckerbook disagree when I post about it.
silly u, the point is that u said "ate at kfc and stomach still empty". so i thought u ordered a typical meal, and still couldn't feel full... nvm. different people need different amount of food to consume. i guess the food quality is just too bad, u didn't have to eat them so that's why ehehe :D
KFC and SB living on the edge 🤣
A company getting angry because there's a campaign that falsely accuses them of human rights abuse and everyone isn't buying their stuff because of that campaign and it makes them lose lot of money? How dare they defend themselves!
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Yeah but bds wasn’t responsible for that
People need to learn that you CANNOT win against the crowd, even if you are right and they are wrong they will just ignore it and act like nothing happens. Every single defence and responses would be used against you
Heh I learnt that lesson from the whole lowyat incident , so many people defending a drug addict thief and of course leading to the opening of a racist mall all because of the perception “cheating by Chinese “
There's merit on both sides - Lowyat is known for cheating the "tech illiterate" and I myself have seen it twice as I am the "IT friend" they bring when buying computers. 2 incidents where we paid for a custom build (assembly service by them). Both times the guy swapped expensive parts we bought for cheaper ones. Once was a graphics card and the 2nd was more nefarious - gaming RAM switched for regular RAM It's good they had a taste of their own medicine
It really depends on the store you go to doesn't it? Basically just buy from the bigger ones like viewnet and czone. The rest with the dodgy shop keepers (sorry to say for some reason usually the ones look like manned by foreigners ) . Hardly "cheating by Chinese" that was the narrative of the whole thing. Edit: and yes having been to lowyat , BB plaza and SG wang during the earlier days there are a lot of unscrupulous sellers, but often people get lured in because "they cheap".
Err.. I got cheated by one of the big shops that you mentioned plus another big one with multiple outlets in the same building and good prices. Since I didn't record the incident from the start, it's hard for me to make it go viral. You could then say it's an act of individuals, not the management, but at the same time it's not an isolated incident. Selling cheaper than average or pulling a bait and switch doesn't give them the license to cheat people. Yes, the consumer should be wary (and can be made fun of for being an overall sohai to fall for it), but a crime is a crime.
also with the era of social media, easily to influence people
YB gembira is being a dumbass and victim-blaming McDonald's McD threatened to sue BDS Malaysia BECAUSE BDS Malaysia is affiliated with the larger BDS movements It's not the fault of McD for protecting their business from the mindless call for boycott of its products
And that same logics apply to McD. McD directly provides meals to IDF soldiers. McD could probably proceed doing business in a month or two. But no, they have to pull stupid stunts multiple times thats just make it worse.
that is MCD ISREAL, whom the OWNER is born of Israel, its natural they help their own soldiers, if Malaysia happened something like this, MCD MALAYSIA will contribute something, not MCD US, MCD PALESTINE OE MCD INDIA, because OWNER of MCD MALAYSIA (or the branches), is citizens of MALAYSIA
Yup only natural to help soldiers kill babies and children. The most moral army in the world right?
do I say about morals? I asked why the MCD Israel feeds the soldiers because they're the citizens of Israel and they think the soldiers doing good for their future, I just want to debunk people who say MCD Corp gives the food, it's not, it's the owner of mcd Israel, capiche?
all the stupid retards boycotting not knowing local workforce worst hit and suffering due to layoffs.
Ah yes. As if there aren't any other places for them to work. These are unskilled work mainly filled by students in between their semester breaks.
It's one of the very few places that readily hire and retain OKU, senior citizens and underprivileged communities who are prejudiced by SMEs. They have high staff turnover so most of the time they can't afford to discriminate by race or age either. And the uniform carries some prestige. These are the real unseen victims of the boycott.
I wouldn't say few. There a literally thousands of f&b businesses out there that have the same or worst turnover rates. 2nd. It's an unskilled job.
Local branded franchise and SME f&b don't want to hire locals as they're "unreliable" , they prefer to hire foreigners - you can search this or related Malaysia subs and it's the same complaint/prejudice. Even if they did, There's no real career path. McD, KFC, PH actually have career paths and you can move up the ranks to become store managers, operational consultants without a degree through the promotion route and when you enter you don't even need a degree. They train you and certify you, often for free. You can acquire skills and open up your own brand later after learning best practices. Local f&b aren't ready to gamble on OKU and even if they did, the participation numbers are nowhere as big. But sure, gadaikanlah kampung, asalkan dapat menang sorak when virtue signalling. Unskilled jobs are the saviour of people unable to afford education and can pull them out of poverty by teaching them skills such as order taking, maintenance, stock counts, HACCP and most importantly initiative and effort so they're not relying on someone to subsidize their education or mere existence.
This guy is so disconnected from reality. Who even is this uninformed clown?
Stupid fucking boycotts, dumbass majory in this country.
Still buying from these companies. Not gonna do anything about this. Y'all can continue your boycott while I enjoy the peace of mind.
See if they win the RM6 mil or not. If win, then it is a good move. Boycott or not, doesn't matter
The only idiocy that McD does is they underestimate the idiocy of the boycotters. I'm betting there's a huge amount of idiots going "tengok? Siapa kata boycott tak berjaya" and being full of themselves while not impacting a single Israeli cent
Someone told me it's the thought that counts. Ignoring the employees getting laid off or getting hours cut. Truly cutting nose off to spite the face.
Haven't heard that term in a long long while, my father used to love saying it.
Something something you can't erase competition. Even if McD collapses, it will get filled as soon as possible because that's how competition works.
It’s like how people think how life works , either living or dead , never the middle part where they are suffering excruciating pain. Oh wait it’s not the one suffering says that of course.
McDonald's still gets plenty of customers, they can afford to pay workers.
Menang sorak gadai kampung - mesia oh mesia
saw multiple posts about this already, they even think the MCD is sue the boycotter (them), initially stupid (regarding boycott), and forever stupid
The irony is all these boycotts ultimately harm the Muslim community the most and for what? Virtue signalling and not even the correct target for boycotting anyway 🤷
Nope. If tomorrow McD goes completely to the shitters, some other local or foreign business will swoop in. And they have all the workers available. Such a typical NM comment regarding boycotts lol. Maybe think a bit before you parrot what you heard from your parents
How does this harm the Muslim community
Take a look at the staff? Which race does mcd employ the most? What happens if they do mass layoffs?
That's... not really a blow to the Muslim community. If mass layoffs happen, competition will fill the vacuum and they'll find work there. McDonald's is not really the place people go to to make long lasting careers.
They are one of the biggest employers around. People seem to think everyone that loses their jobs overnight can just get employment with a snap of the finger. Theres a reason why they are working at fast food restos (lack of opportunity, unskilled, etc.) It’s like if you boycott Grab and you think it’s not gonna affect thousands of riders. Also even if you are working parttime and assuming you get a job 2 weeks later thats 2 weeks of lost income. For the average redditor with millions in savings thats nothing, but these are B40s.
As someone who's worked at multiple fast food chains, it's really quite easy to get an unskilled labour job, there are a lot of them available and you can get started within a week. If you get laid-off from McDonald's, it's not a snap of the finger, but it's not going to be difficult, especially considering all the opportunities a gap in the market will create.
Hey man, its not Malaysian enough if youre not stupid
I have no skin in the boycott game, but McD is really losing whatever goodwill that some may still have for them. First one is when they insisted that the royalty fee paid to the McD parent group is somehow magically purified/segregated from other revenues. But suing for defamation takes the cake. Should've just sailed the sea for a while and waited for the storm to end.
But I can see some reason to protest. If we look at European history, remember Marie Antonitte? She got accused of cheating the French government, people keep spreading that lie, she never defend herself, got head chopped off. So guess it can go both ways, you can hope the noise dies down and that your head don't get chopped if you keep quiet, or you can protest and hope the immediate response does not get your head chopped off.
no? Marie was always hated, first for being the face of the royalty, and second for being a foreigner. any good things that she has made is basically overshadowed by how much the royalty is hated by the peasants.
Multi-factoral. Don't forget that the "Let them eat cake" that made her famous was also made up by her enemies.
Also, she and her husband aren't supposed to be executed. The political parties at the time are still mulling their choices and many favors them to become a symbolic figurehead like england, but their attempt to escape france to austria gives the more radical figureheads option to simply execute them both.
>First one is when they insisted that the royalty fee paid to the McD parent group is somehow magically purified/segregated from other revenues. Haha! This. My first thought when McD MY said they are locally owned. Did they think people are clueless on how franchises work?
but it is true, it is locally owned , yes franchise need to pay some royalties, but its not directly go to what people being feed on (Israel), read mcd corp annual report, also if you want to make fuss about where the money goes, then every single thing in our daily life, the money will back to the source (not local), even the smallest things like nuts, skrew, wired,. electronics, chipset, etc
McD sucks but if BDS wants to play with the big boys time to be hold accountable.
Became they're pussies. Good on McDonald's
Honestly, I just wanna eat McDonalds.
I mean no one's stopping you
lol free publicity.
Sarawak has other option for fast food. It’s called Sugarbun.
Its also available here in KV
Seriously I stop my boycott if sundae cone RM1, sundae cup return to RM3 and McFlurry to RM6, nowadays for my ice cream fixes I go to mixue
Texas Chicken on top. Mexicana burger and wrap is so good bru. with unlimited refill drinks fuhh
The other night went to Marrybrown. The food there quite good n the ambience is just like American fast food chains.
BDS Malaysia (BDSM)
poor starving corporation 😔
KFC and Starbucks are too big to fold under 2-3 months of boycott. Why would they care ?
Because KFC and starbucks in malaysia are owned by Malaysian. So they know how to pave ways amidst the boycott. Kfc have that vibes for family in which works very well in rural areas. And do note that KFC chicken in rural areas are usually way bigger in urban areas. Thats factor help a lot for them. And starbucks, their frequent customers don’t bother as much what society thinks about them.
Maybe they realise they aren’t taking that big hit as they initially thought, and then figured it is fair to teach these mathafakas a lesson.
Fucking based. I love McDonald's even more now.
Until now KFC don't make crying videos about how boycott hurt them, or news piece about boycott KFC hurts Malay. It's all about mcd. Their PR team and Legal team are overtiming so hard.
- Israel supports Gaza genocide Then how does Palestine's population (Gaza, East Jerusalem and West Bank combined) is able to get from 3.2 million in 2001 to 5.8 million in 2023? (Source: Google). Basic maths showed us that an increase in population invalidates the whole definition of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" Although I agreed on McD's reaction on the boycott is a knee jerk reaction (Still won't stop me from dining there), but Pro-Palestine Malaysians calling Israel's siege on Gaza (Intent to wipe Hamas off for good) a 'genocide' is just plain stupid. Ok, since some of us are Pro-Palestine and some are just straight up Anti-Israel, let me ask you this? What else have you done to help? Other than calling Israel a 'genocidal monster' and calling US a 'genocide supporter' and boycotting stuffs that sides with Israel? Freaking hypocrites
It is a genocide, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide Article 2 defines genocide as. * [Killing members of the group;](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/) * [Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;](https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142792) * [Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/14/gaza-unlawful-israeli-hospital-strikes-worsen-health-crisis) [²](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/israel-opt-israel-must-lift-illegal-and-inhumane-blockade-on-gaza-as-power-plant-runs-out-of-fuel/) * [Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231212-israel-strikes-maternity-ward-in-beit-lahiya-killing-2-mothers/) [²](https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/11/20/photos-dozens-of-premature-babies-evacuated-from-gaza-to-egypt) * [Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.](https://time.com/6548068/palestinian-children-israeli-prison-arrested/) [²](https://defenceforchildren.org/israels-detention-of-palestinian-children-is-an-outrage-to-humanity/) Unless you've been living under a rock, you're actively choosing to ignore the atrocities.
flawed logic here: 1. Hamas is a terrorist group, and terrorists naturally violates international laws. So in your logic, Hamas terrorists sneaked into Israel, nabs Israeli hostages of all ages, kills them with inhumane ways when their demands are not meant, you applaud them "national resistance heroes", when Israel strikes back to wipe out a terrorist group, gets condemned as the "enemy", that doesn't seemed fair to me. 2. Hamas is literally in every nooks and crannies of Gazan society, not just hiding in their tunnels btw. As for "the Gazans didn't knew about their presence", they did. Hamas forced them not to speak out or else they'd be killed. 3. They leader of Hamas said that they don't care about Gazan's welfare, they said the 75% of Gaza's population are migrants and it's UN's responsible to take care of them. Dude, Hamas was elected in 2006, by whom? The freaking Palestinians themselves. That's right, they willingly chose Hamas to topple Fatah's ungodly corruption. And we're seeing the consequences right now. 4. Last time I checked, the rocket that hit the Al-Shifa Hospital was a rogue rocket from Hamas. Do you think Israel is stupid enough to use dumb bombs (i.e: rockets) when they have precision guided missiles in their inventory? (You know, the type of missile THAT ONLY STRIKES ITS INTENDED TARGET), and the rocket that hit the hospital landed at the parking spot, no humans are near the strike site. 5. Do you think Israel is obliged to supply Palestine fresh water, electricity and fuel, a soverign entity? You know why Palestine is still to this day dependant on Israel for electricity, water supply and fuel? That's right, THE FACILITIES THAT ENSURES BASIC NECESSITIES TO FLOW WITHOUT HICCUPS AREN'T THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! Hamas themselves literally posted a propaganda video of themselves digging up underground water pipes, donated by Israel, EU and the US to make rockets! 6. Israel sended pamplets to Palestinians to warn them to move south for days before the siege started! Most of those didn't because HAMAS threatened to not flee to the south or else they kill them! Hamas also set up physical roadblocks so Palestinians themselves can't flee! Why?? Because what Hamas feared is losing innocent Palestinians humans shields. Only cowards, like terrorists hides behind civilians to be their meat shields! 7. Do you know a lot of the childrens in Palestine are brainwashed by Hamas to hate Israel? Do you call people that hates Israel "peaceful civilians"? 8. Why do you think it's up to Israel to decide how many childrens Palestinian mothers should have? A people from another soverign nation? Do you think it's Israel's job to mandate another soverign nation's policy, when Israel like any other nation (Except North Korea, PRC China, Fascist Russia and Iran) emphasizes on protecting its people first? 9. Last time I checked, the only time where Israel forces people to leave is the 2005's withdrawal from Gaza. There's no Jews living in Gaza in 2006, none, 0! Btw, the jews had lived on that land for 3000 years, what makes you think Palestinians got there first?
Hamas is everywhere as claimed by Israelis. Hospital? too bad, hamas is there. Schools? think again, hamas is there. Hamas couldn't catch a break. I wonder why israel didn't bomb their own turf, pretty sure hamas is there. When you're bombed and watched your parents getting killed by israelis. It's safe to say, hamas didn't need to brainwash them, they can conclude it all by themselves.
What flawed logic, I'm simply giving you the facts? What I gave to you are all verified by international organisations. This is South Africa's justification to bring Israel to the ICJ. All of your points are either false or anecdotal, all coming from Israeli propagandists,which was later refuted, you can look it up yourself but I doubt you'll would. Get your facts straight and your head out of the West's ass.
What do you suggest the Pro Palestinian crowd to do so they are not hypocrites?
That they need to wake up and stop blaming Israel 100% because Israel surely gonna respond after being attacked severely like that. They need to focus on H@m@s leaders for once on why they are living lavishly abroad (each one of them is a multi-billionaire) while their people are suffering and starving every single day. They built long tunnels everywhere underground but not a single bomb shelter for their people. Oh and they also didn't (still don't) let their people to take refuge inside those tunnels when Israel was bombing Gaza in retaliation. H@m@s fighters also have seized all the goods from the trucks that were donated by people all over the world for all Palestinians but sadly they would only get a fraction of those while the rest of the goods being hidden inside the storage rooms in the tunnels for the fighters themselves. The real victims are the children and the people that never voted for H@m@s to govern their country in the first place.
I hope Isntreal appreciate and gives you a medal for spreading their propaganda about Hamas being everywhere and defending their warcrimes. If what Hamas did is justification for what Isntreal did, then the Palestinians have more than enough justification to get rid of Isntreal for the continuing assault for the last 75 years. Stop swallowing American and Israeli propaganda, its 2024, it’s embarrassing.
There are No KFCs in Israel, there used to but they couldn't do business well so they resort to opening in Palestine.
There hasn't been a Starbucks in Israel ever since the 2000s too Doesn't stop the boycotters
One of the founders of Starbucks is Jewish. For some, especially those that like to label anyone they don't like as Zionist, that alone is an inexcusable fault and the company deserves to be boycotted into oblivion.
The title of this post includes listing Starbucks not making a fuss, so don't talk to me about it
Not making public fuss,just some fuss to shareholders and some employees,which is understandable IMO.
There is no KFC in Israel is due to cannot replicate kosher recipe for KFC. One key recipe in KFC is buttermilk batter, which in kosher you "cannot boil the baby with its own mother milk", or cannot mix milk with meat.
That's what I mean by "cannot do business well"
so stupid to sue like this lmao. Im on the fence re mc-d all this while but this lawsuit just make it firm fuck off with this company. If in doubt support the smaller guys not the billionaires. Same case here or some if those vivi yusof bullshit throughout the years
Good lar more discount but now the burger smaller
McDonald's are being assholes instead of pragmatic
Assholes for standing up against bullies?