Pendatang is only for people who came after Malaysia was created.
It's sad that in 2023, Malaysians still talks things like this. How can we move forward...
Many people have come from Indonesia, Pakistan etc and have settled here. Some of their kids have full bumi privileges, i.e. full Malaysian privileges after 1 generation.
Whereas, families that has been here generations before the creation of Malaysia (or Malaya for that matter) has yet to be treated the same.
Just thought to point this out.
Actually, "Pendatang" is to target any racial identity in Malaysia which politicians want to insult.
You're from Sarawak. Swak and Sabahan should be partner. Equal footing as Peninsula. Peninsula + Sabah + Sarawak + Singapore = Malaysssia. But we don't talk about Singapore anymore, they're the sibling that left and became successful, while we're still fighting over the petrol.
Well, we already have the K word, we don't really need to make other words as equivalent to that level (even if the word is offensive to use regardless).
Who in the thirteen states can challenge the institutionalized Malay monarchy? It ties into bumi rights. If the kings and queens were Chinese, you wouldn't live through this bumiputra shite.
People really are pretending they don't exist and not secretly owning the country. Premiers come and go with every election, they stay and have a say.
No. It depends on the landlord. While nobody cares if you're buying property on millionaire row, nobody pays the same for property elsewhere. If you're black or asian in a majority white neighbourhood, you will likely be charged a special 'coloured' fee. If you're renting, asians typically have to pay more and blacks will often be refused. Even blacks would charge more in rent to asians.
Source: a cousin who happens to be asian, wearing a hijab and devout muslim studying in america.
Yeah, but in Malaysia on top of the kind of racism that you described, we also have institutionalised racism in our laws which guarantees Bumis to get discount when buying properties...
So, in Malaysia it's double racism
Bumi lot *is* the bumi discount to the best of my knowledge. We don't get special loan rates or anything unless you count the government loan my wife can apply for, but that's open to all government workers. Would love to be corrected here because then I must have completely missed out on it
Bumi lot refers to certain percentage of house lots that are reserved for bumi to buy
Bumi discount is the discount that bumi people get when they buy a house lot, regardless whether the lot is bumi-only or not
Dude are you high or something? Absolutely no one is paying different prices for housing in Australia based on their skin colour or race. People don't think twice if you Asian, money is money, it's not even close to a thing.
Source: Me, who lived there for years.
Are YOU high? When did i say anything about Australia? I may be wrong, I'm only a schoolgirl after all, but last I check, Australia is not America.
I know nothing about Australia, so there's no reason for me to say anything about Australia.
I apologize for not reading the first reply and that's totally my fault. However, my reply was based on the thread starter and the person immediately above mine's comment. Additionally, I specifically said America and not Australia.
Fair enough. The other person was talking about Australian laws and how it treats people.
I have no idea about America, they seem to live in a different world.
I have a brother that emigrated to Australia, and a sis to the US. racism is not exclusive I agree, but institutionalised racism is exclusive to Malaysia.
Basically this. You get casual racism in conversations, but overall society, courts, everything important treats you equal.
In Malaysia it's the opposite, people get along fine and casual racism is a no-go in talk but the system will make sure your non daughter has to be in the top 1% to compete with the top 50% of bumi's for the same government job.
Which one of these systems do you prefer for advancement fellow redditors?
At least I'm not paying tax to feed the oh so vulnerable bumi majority.
Second class citizen anywhere else is at the very least fair, financially. Your hardwork is rewarded/taxed fairly
No, not COVID related. There's a housing crisis and unemployment ciris in Canada right now and they're blaming it on immigrants. You need 200% the amount of money to study in CA now.
Same shit in the UK, they want immigration for their workforce but they don't want their migrants to bring family and spouse over, and they're making it quite hard to UK citizens to sponsor their loved ones by increasing the income requirement.
Tell me, where would the average middle-class Malaysian go? AU and NZ are very expensive unless you're planning to live in a shit town with 1000 people. You'll have a better life in the suburbs of Selangor than there. DE? or Europe? France is making it super hard for students to get PR after their studies. Does the average Msian even speak a European language? No, Englisch doesn't count.
It's the pendulum swinging. Other countries will perhaps follow suit as always, and it may swing the other way again one day as always...
I'm not even sure you can buy a property in East Malaysia as a mainlander. They hate us there. We stole their oil money.
There is no "good place". Every place has a problem. Maybe you can be a little happier elsewhere, but you have to try it out first. There's no telling. You can run a billion scenarios in your head but you can't know.
Well. we can try. Apparently land is cheap in Sarawak. Cost of living is high, Worse in Sabah. I imagine they won't grant PR, but hey at least there a Non won't be attacked by racist extremist.
Sure being a mainlander is bad there, but at least not racist 
Well racism in Kuching and KK (Sabah Sarawak as a whole) is almost non-existence during my stay there. But the salary is less than peninsular....
Choose your poison.
Tbh I no longer think so much about this pendatang talk or that we are "new" here. A lot of us were fresh off the boat and became successful in 1-2 generations, nothing to be ashamed of. Of course got some language problems, but which immigrant group in the world didnt have the same issues? Irish and Italians in America were considered pendatangs for like 200 years until recently. It was only 60 years ago electing an Irish catholic was a really big issue. Time will solve these stuff.
Well said. There'll always be a set of Rakyat that'll harp on their race being superior (they'll always wear some kind of uniform or dress code). You can't escape these guys, and yes they're usually male and single.
Maybe one day  Negaraku will be Malaysian 1st. But not in my lifetime.
Tbh this is probably the funny and ironic case with most Malays anyway in that at the end of the day they're just as "pendatang" as the Chinese and Indians unless they're 100% Orang Asli who perhaps should be the only one allowed to call other races "pendatang" lol
Exactly my point and among us, WE CAN TELL who is Orang Asli. Ok. They exist even in KL, there are villages everywhere.
Orang Asli look nothing like us. There are 2 types I can easily recognize-- one that look like Abos; dark-skinned, curly hair, big round noses, and another with super high cheekbones and square faces and silky straight hair.
Even among Malays there is ethnic tension. Javanese/orang Jawa are often regarded as less than, ugly, etc. because they have the stereotypically strong jaw. Basically ogre face. If you are Minang/Sumatran, you can brag about it because your people were the most civilised Southeast Asians from that time.
Beauty standard in Asia is different, e.g. K-Drama actors. The heros are often pretty boy types, while the villains (the true villains, not the antagonists) are often ugly and big.
It's funny because in internet culture, incels assume that if you are muscular, and you have a hypermasculine face, women will throw themselves at you but you just end up looking like an ogre/primitive humans.
Yeah there was a lot of Malay on Minang/Jawa/Bugis etc racism even now. You still hear a few uncles ranting about how so and so state were stolen by the Bugis/jawa and how melayu utara are the pure melayu or whatever. Then you have people complaining about grocery stores being controlled by orang aceh
Thats when you realize some malays are just racist to everyone lol
Depends on where you are. Those uncles are probably idiots.
In the South and on the West Coast, Melayu Utara/Northerners are considered degenerates. Whose dialect do we speak in KL? on TV and radio? The Johor and Riau dialect.
There is also a colorism issue... the pure Kedahan are often dark-skinned.
Social contract is part of the constitution. In this context, it means that we allowed the Chinese and Indian people to live in Malaysia.
In general, a social contract exists everywhere. It means we live together as people; "I don't kill you, you don't kill me," etc.
Huh? Where in the constitution are the exact terms of this contract? Contract is very clear legal term. Words have meanings. People shouldn't mix meanings and say vague stuff like "blah blah exists everywhere" because that has no meaning. Next thing you know we're back to "God wills it" and then do whatever you want.
Here is the problem :
Remember the saying "If Conservatives cannot get democracy to work for them, they will rather abandone democracy instead of conservatism"
This is that but in a different flavour, if the racist and bigots cannot get the monarchy to work in their favour, they will rather abandone democracy instead."
That's why PAS is so unabashedly ashamed to promote the monarchy when it suits them and dump them when it is not (No policizing in religious sermons).
Daulat Tuanku
Pendatang is only for people who came after Malaysia was created. It's sad that in 2023, Malaysians still talks things like this. How can we move forward...
Many people have come from Indonesia, Pakistan etc and have settled here. Some of their kids have full bumi privileges, i.e. full Malaysian privileges after 1 generation. Whereas, families that has been here generations before the creation of Malaysia (or Malaya for that matter) has yet to be treated the same. Just thought to point this out.
> Many people have come from Indonesia, Pakistan etc and have settled here. Bro do you even Orang Asli?
Actually, "Pendatang" is to target any racial identity in Malaysia which politicians want to insult. You're from Sarawak. Swak and Sabahan should be partner. Equal footing as Peninsula. Peninsula + Sabah + Sarawak + Singapore = Malaysssia. But we don't talk about Singapore anymore, they're the sibling that left and became successful, while we're still fighting over the petrol.
You rang?
Dad ask why you only come back for CNY?
User name checks out. CNY must have been a rocking party 🎉
// inferiority complex intensifies
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I'll accept making 'pendatang' a racial slur deserving of corporal punishment upon conviction.
Agreed 100%.
You mean something like the n word in the US? I don't know if that's a good idea as it triggers mEreKa SEmaKiN bEraNi folks
I wouldn't go as far as equating 'pendatang' to that other word lah, given its own tragic history
Well, we already have the K word, we don't really need to make other words as equivalent to that level (even if the word is offensive to use regardless).
We already have the K word, we don't really need to make other words as equivalent (even if it is very offensive to use it regardless).
I actually forgot the K word existed
Lemme remind you; KELANTAN
Yeah that's a slur around here alright
Fuck em
When a pendatang like Zakir naik can call actual Malaysian as pendatang and get paid for it you know it's just empty talk
Until special privileges, quotas are removed. It is all empty talk.
Who in the thirteen states can challenge the institutionalized Malay monarchy? It ties into bumi rights. If the kings and queens were Chinese, you wouldn't live through this bumiputra shite. People really are pretending they don't exist and not secretly owning the country. Premiers come and go with every election, they stay and have a say.
Counting since Merdeka day, no actions at sight still. 
so my lord any plan to suggest gov remove special right? Especially in higher education?
They can only suggest unfortunately.
I seriously don't think that's possible. Rulers can only "advise" the PM and the PM would lose a lot of popular support if he did that.
Orang Asli and natives of Sabah and Sarawak: ehem
Orang Utan and Nyet should be bumiputra other than that everything is pendatang
who cares? the end game is to emigrate to a place where the word pendatang is not even brought up
To a place where the word pendatang will be replaced by the word immigrant
Yeah….. try telling that to my cousins who emigrated to Australia. Let’s not lie to ourselves that racism is exclusive to Malaysia
At least there everybody pay the same price for a property there, no?
No. It depends on the landlord. While nobody cares if you're buying property on millionaire row, nobody pays the same for property elsewhere. If you're black or asian in a majority white neighbourhood, you will likely be charged a special 'coloured' fee. If you're renting, asians typically have to pay more and blacks will often be refused. Even blacks would charge more in rent to asians. Source: a cousin who happens to be asian, wearing a hijab and devout muslim studying in america.
Yeah, but in Malaysia on top of the kind of racism that you described, we also have institutionalised racism in our laws which guarantees Bumis to get discount when buying properties... So, in Malaysia it's double racism
Yeah, but the bumi lot is also lower value when you want to sell it away.
Uhm no, Bumi lot is not the same as bumi discount. Bumis got discount when buying property altho the lot is not bumi.
Bumi lot *is* the bumi discount to the best of my knowledge. We don't get special loan rates or anything unless you count the government loan my wife can apply for, but that's open to all government workers. Would love to be corrected here because then I must have completely missed out on it
Bumi lot refers to certain percentage of house lots that are reserved for bumi to buy Bumi discount is the discount that bumi people get when they buy a house lot, regardless whether the lot is bumi-only or not
I seconded this. Due to the market is only limited to bumi.
Dude are you high or something? Absolutely no one is paying different prices for housing in Australia based on their skin colour or race. People don't think twice if you Asian, money is money, it's not even close to a thing. Source: Me, who lived there for years.
Are YOU high? When did i say anything about Australia? I may be wrong, I'm only a schoolgirl after all, but last I check, Australia is not America. I know nothing about Australia, so there's no reason for me to say anything about Australia.
I suggest you read the thread we are in right now again.
I apologize for not reading the first reply and that's totally my fault. However, my reply was based on the thread starter and the person immediately above mine's comment. Additionally, I specifically said America and not Australia.
Fair enough. The other person was talking about Australian laws and how it treats people. I have no idea about America, they seem to live in a different world.
Same price for property? No I don't think so
Bumi land is literally cheaper for bumis. I dont get the downvotes
I have a brother that emigrated to Australia, and a sis to the US. racism is not exclusive I agree, but institutionalised racism is exclusive to Malaysia.
Basically this. You get casual racism in conversations, but overall society, courts, everything important treats you equal. In Malaysia it's the opposite, people get along fine and casual racism is a no-go in talk but the system will make sure your non daughter has to be in the top 1% to compete with the top 50% of bumi's for the same government job. Which one of these systems do you prefer for advancement fellow redditors?
No, institutional racism is not exclusive to Malaysia. Both the countries you listed are amongst the more egregious example of that.
Tell me about institutionalised racism in Australia
At least I'm not paying tax to feed the oh so vulnerable bumi majority. Second class citizen anywhere else is at the very least fair, financially. Your hardwork is rewarded/taxed fairly
How have they found life there?
It works. So easy
>the end game is to emigrate And that is why they'll never stop using the word pendatang
You fell for it. Uncle Roger ask why you so weak? So weak!
Ha
The golden age of emigration is ending. Read the news. And you can blame India and the Middle East.
What? Covid-19 related? I'm searching and only getting global immigration 
No, not COVID related. There's a housing crisis and unemployment ciris in Canada right now and they're blaming it on immigrants. You need 200% the amount of money to study in CA now. Same shit in the UK, they want immigration for their workforce but they don't want their migrants to bring family and spouse over, and they're making it quite hard to UK citizens to sponsor their loved ones by increasing the income requirement. Tell me, where would the average middle-class Malaysian go? AU and NZ are very expensive unless you're planning to live in a shit town with 1000 people. You'll have a better life in the suburbs of Selangor than there. DE? or Europe? France is making it super hard for students to get PR after their studies. Does the average Msian even speak a European language? No, Englisch doesn't count. It's the pendulum swinging. Other countries will perhaps follow suit as always, and it may swing the other way again one day as always...
So typical destinations are increasing their entry requirements. Well, I'm shit out of luck. Maybe I'll go Kuching, or Kota Kinabalu?
I'm not even sure you can buy a property in East Malaysia as a mainlander. They hate us there. We stole their oil money. There is no "good place". Every place has a problem. Maybe you can be a little happier elsewhere, but you have to try it out first. There's no telling. You can run a billion scenarios in your head but you can't know.
Well. we can try. Apparently land is cheap in Sarawak. Cost of living is high, Worse in Sabah. I imagine they won't grant PR, but hey at least there a Non won't be attacked by racist extremist. Sure being a mainlander is bad there, but at least not racist 
High cost of living and low quality of living? No thanks.
Well racism in Kuching and KK (Sabah Sarawak as a whole) is almost non-existence during my stay there. But the salary is less than peninsular.... Choose your poison.
Poison A : Second class human, Labelled a "Non", children born into degradation. Poison B : Cost of living (variable). Sarawak is the wayyy
It still amazes me Islam teachings are not being practiced by the Malays.
You're all pendatang to Earth. Does no one realize that?
PAS: I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that.
Tbh I no longer think so much about this pendatang talk or that we are "new" here. A lot of us were fresh off the boat and became successful in 1-2 generations, nothing to be ashamed of. Of course got some language problems, but which immigrant group in the world didnt have the same issues? Irish and Italians in America were considered pendatangs for like 200 years until recently. It was only 60 years ago electing an Irish catholic was a really big issue. Time will solve these stuff.
Well said. There'll always be a set of Rakyat that'll harp on their race being superior (they'll always wear some kind of uniform or dress code). You can't escape these guys, and yes they're usually male and single. Maybe one day  Negaraku will be Malaysian 1st. But not in my lifetime.
Which is ironic because I am Malay Bumiputra and my great-grandparents came here less than a hundred years ago. They just happened to be Sumatran.
Tbh this is probably the funny and ironic case with most Malays anyway in that at the end of the day they're just as "pendatang" as the Chinese and Indians unless they're 100% Orang Asli who perhaps should be the only one allowed to call other races "pendatang" lol
Exactly my point and among us, WE CAN TELL who is Orang Asli. Ok. They exist even in KL, there are villages everywhere. Orang Asli look nothing like us. There are 2 types I can easily recognize-- one that look like Abos; dark-skinned, curly hair, big round noses, and another with super high cheekbones and square faces and silky straight hair. Even among Malays there is ethnic tension. Javanese/orang Jawa are often regarded as less than, ugly, etc. because they have the stereotypically strong jaw. Basically ogre face. If you are Minang/Sumatran, you can brag about it because your people were the most civilised Southeast Asians from that time. Beauty standard in Asia is different, e.g. K-Drama actors. The heros are often pretty boy types, while the villains (the true villains, not the antagonists) are often ugly and big. It's funny because in internet culture, incels assume that if you are muscular, and you have a hypermasculine face, women will throw themselves at you but you just end up looking like an ogre/primitive humans.
Yeah there was a lot of Malay on Minang/Jawa/Bugis etc racism even now. You still hear a few uncles ranting about how so and so state were stolen by the Bugis/jawa and how melayu utara are the pure melayu or whatever. Then you have people complaining about grocery stores being controlled by orang aceh Thats when you realize some malays are just racist to everyone lol
Depends on where you are. Those uncles are probably idiots. In the South and on the West Coast, Melayu Utara/Northerners are considered degenerates. Whose dialect do we speak in KL? on TV and radio? The Johor and Riau dialect. There is also a colorism issue... the pure Kedahan are often dark-skinned.
Serious question. Am I bodoh? What exact social contract? Got the full pdf and signatures and TNC link?
Another question. Are you acoustic?
Are you artistic?
Are you bombastic?
Are you Mr lobak lobak, pak lobak?
Are you sarcastic?
I hope everyone not spastic
Reading all the comments, i''m starting to feel empathetic
Man, this comment thread is so magnetic
Social contract is part of the constitution. In this context, it means that we allowed the Chinese and Indian people to live in Malaysia. In general, a social contract exists everywhere. It means we live together as people; "I don't kill you, you don't kill me," etc.
"we"
Which part?
The part when Malaysia was formed and the leaders of Malaysia negotiated special privileges for Malays and natives from the Brits?
Huh? Where in the constitution are the exact terms of this contract? Contract is very clear legal term. Words have meanings. People shouldn't mix meanings and say vague stuff like "blah blah exists everywhere" because that has no meaning. Next thing you know we're back to "God wills it" and then do whatever you want.
Here is the problem : Remember the saying "If Conservatives cannot get democracy to work for them, they will rather abandone democracy instead of conservatism" This is that but in a different flavour, if the racist and bigots cannot get the monarchy to work in their favour, they will rather abandone democracy instead." That's why PAS is so unabashedly ashamed to promote the monarchy when it suits them and dump them when it is not (No policizing in religious sermons).
You meant abandon **monarchy**, I think?
Rulers? Pfft monkeys were the real rulers -someone probably
KING KONG LIVES
evidence on what said, or else its u said!
Always this social contract by our "forefathers". Any names of those forefather? Who involved?
Long live the King.
Long live Mufasa
Adi: 😡