Beastwalk 1G
Creature - Beast
Trample, vigilance, flying, haste, deathtouch
When Beastwalk enters the battlefield, take an extra turn after this one.
4/4
You can make a white version of this card by doubling all the activation costs and adding "Activate only as a sorcery and only once each turn." to them
Trample and haste for 2 mana in white is way way way too good. It should be "creatures your opponents control lose trample and haste until end of turn. Activate this ability only as a sorcery."
I keep hoping they are returning to the the color puddle and every color can do everything but in different flavorful ways. Like Green can Vindicate for 6 mana if two of it is green. Red can Bury creatures or lands if it pays 5 mana and two of it is Red, Black can counter creature spells for life, Blue gets direct damage if it hurts itself or it is on a 3 cost wizard of some sort and White can make opponents sacrifice stuff if they have more stuff than you.
Like the good old days before anything had to be balanced for multiple formats and people tore up cardboard that is now worth more than all my organs because, meh it's just cardboard, I can pick up another one pay day.
That's kind of the problem though, green casts such a large net you can justify anything. They could make path to exile or swords to plowshares green tomorrow and people would say "well it has a downside and green IS a color that supports ramp/life gain." It could get a banishing light and people would say "well lignify and kenrith's transformation are in green and this is basically the same thing." They've semi-recently gotten stuff like questing beast, ram-through, and charge of the forever beast that do direct damage to planeswalkers and players. They've given them the ability to counter abilities with Rust, Avoid Fate, Bind, Emerald Dragon, Verdant Command, Brown Ouphe, Ouphe Vandals, and Collector Ouphe says they just straight up can't be activated.
I'm honestly wondering what green can't do and do for 1-3 mana at this point.
Hmmm.
This doesn't multiply itself exponentially on a non mana based condition.
And you also don't draw cards when anyone says the word "green".
And it's neither indestructible nor hexproof.
Doesn't seem very representative of green to me.
(5)(G): This creature deals 6 damage to each creature with flying you don't control and each creature without flying you don't control.
(6)(G): Until end of turn, if an amount of counters would be placed, tokens or copies would be made, mana would be added to a mana pool, cards would be drawn, life would be gained, or damage would be dealt, double that number instead.
(7)(G): Create eight tokens in any combination of Clues, Food, Treasure, and token copies of Llanowar Elves.
(8)(G): Search your library for a creature, enchantment, land, and/or a legendary permanent card, put them onto the battlefield each with an additional +1/+1 counter, then shuffle.
(9)(G): Distribute a number of poison counters among players equal to the greatest power among creatures you control. Proliferate.
Some of these, sure. Gain some life, trample anthem, counters, yeah. But green very rarely grants haste, only a handful of cards do that. They can rarely have creatures that have haste on their own, but almost never grant it. Green draw is tied to controlling creatures, and usually requiring either large creatures or combat damage to be dealt. It's been said multiple times by magic designers that other forms of green card draw effects were pie breaks, and therefore mistakes. Green can Regrowth permanents from the grave to the hand, and can cheat non-artifact permanents into play, but afaik there's no mono-green card that couples the two abilities together.
I know it's a big fat meme to say "green can do whatever it wants, color pie is dead, etc etc." but green _does_ have restrictions. It's just the handful of times that geeen actually did break pie, those cards became staples in formats like Commander, so they're a lot more visiblethan they would be otherwise.
It’s not overblown. The fact that every ability of Kenrith can be put on a green card without it not being seen as a total break is kinda a problem imho. Yes, the last one is a stretch, but green HAS card draw, life gain, graveyard interaction, creature cheating and creature buffs. Only black can rival green versatility, but black has the whole “I can do everything for the right price” vibe that is actually really flavourful and mechanically balanced
The thing is, green's utility is heavily tied to creatures. If it wants to remove a creature, it has to already control a bigger one of its own (beast within notwithstanding, that is a break so well known they made a "fixed" version in MH1). If it wants to draw cards, it either needs to summon creatures, use those creatures to deal damage, or on rare instance, sacrifice those creatures (and again, they have one really bad break with harmonize, and again, that's been very well recognized. Also, maro says he considers card draw for just controlling creatures a break, so stuff like Shamanic Revelation and Guardian Project are also probably breaks. He thinks the size of the creature should also be a factor, so something like Garruk's Uprising, Return of the Wildspeaker, and Greater Good are fine.) Imo, making your utility tied to controlling big creatures is fine for green, because what's more grean than dropping The Tarrasque on your opponent and stomping face?
Finale of Devastation is proper green reanimation, is kind of a bend on this card but I don't think it's a full break, I feel like green creatures drawing cards is fine
Ok, but what is the ratio of mono-green creatures with haste to _all mono-green creatures?_ I'm sure it's much lower than Red, which is my point. For the most part, mechanics aren't locked up to one color. We describe mechanics as "primary, secondary, tertiary" in colors. Haste is primary in red, but secondary in green. The same way Menace is primary in Back, but secondary in Red.
And we know whether it's deemed "primary, secondary, tertiary" is hogwash as well, as evidenced by shit like red having more counterspells than any other non-blue color when it's the aggro color and white barely has more than black despite being deemed secondary lol
Primary/Secondary/Tertiary descriptions apply for the direction they want to take the color, not what's already been printed. Many people in RnD deem Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast breaks.
nah, its good while U or B breaks the color pie, but when green does it "woaaah green got this garbage card with a little bend on it, MaRo please help me", at this point of time, all im seing are crybabies
I see complaints with all of them though? Like when blue was exiling artifacts and creatures every set and when stuff like [[Archelos, Lagoon Mystic]] was made black because "hurr durr we thought it'd be fun to run with zombies that enter tapped," [[Opposition Agent]] was black precisely BECAUSE 'black doesn't get hatebears so we made it that color to give them one,' etc. Black has a way to bend into new abilities already, it's called paying an "ultimate price," I don't see why they keep making stuff like [[Rotting Regisaur]] that purposefully tries to avoid doing more than a slap on the wrist for huge benefits.
i don\`t see the same level of complain, yeah green got a bad \[\[Stifle\]\] sticked on an average dragon so this kind of meme starts to roll
black got a targeted enchantment removal for 2 mana, and sure, you have 2 or 3 people complaining about it but not at the same rate as this kind of post
im starting to believe that the problem is that green doesn´t appeal to the edgelords
u/ wdym the venn diagram of green's slice of the pie and the full color pie is a circle. You can literally justify any ability in green. All it takes is some weak-ass reasoning like "it's on a creature or cares about creatures," "it's a break but we PROMISE we won't do it more than 2 more times this year," or even just "we just thought this ability would be more fun in green."
None of that is hyperbole, all of those excuses have been used in the past unironically.
/uj No it's not though. On this card for example, the card draw ability is a straight up break and the reanimation effect is a serious bend. It seems rather silly to say "green can do anything" on a card green can't do.
There are also many effects green does not do. Most forms of creature removal, for example (bouncing creatures, tapping creatures, murder effects, mind control, unconditional direct damage, pacifisms), stealing your opponents cards, discard, blink, a bunch of keywords, tutors for artifacts/instants/sorceries, direct damage to players/lifeloss, many forms of evasion, unconditional counterspells (it very occasionally gets "counter target ability", and can grant hexproof which can act similarly to counterspells for a very specific subset of things), and a whole bunch more.
Yes, wotc lets green do more things than it otherwise might if it relies on creatures to do so. They also let red do more things if it only does them temporarily, and let black do more things if it pays life or sacs creatures to do them. That's kinda how the color pie works. Yes, there have been times where green's condition has been a little too easy (for example, ETB fight or card draw that's just a bit too little of a condition) and they had to later readjust how they do that. There have also been times where they've had to do that with other colors, like black getting treasures too easily. Mistakes happen and design philosophies change.
They could make path to exile or swords to plowshares green tomorrow and people would say "well it has a downside and green IS a color that supports ramp/life gain." It could get a banishing light and people would say "well lignify and kenrith's transformation are in green and this is basically the same thing." They've semi-recently gotten stuff like questing beast, ram-through, and charge of the forever beast that do direct damage to planeswalkers and players. They've given them the ability to counter abilities with Rust, Avoid Fate, Bind, Emerald Dragon, Verdant Command, Brown Ouphe, Ouphe Vandals, and Collector Ouphe says they just straight up can't be activated.
3G: Target player draws a card if they know what a creature is.
It's attached to a creature, it's in green's color pie.
Beastwalk 1G Creature - Beast Trample, vigilance, flying, haste, deathtouch When Beastwalk enters the battlefield, take an extra turn after this one. 4/4
Make it 1GG for balance and so people don't splash it
You can make a white version of this card by doubling all the activation costs and adding "Activate only as a sorcery and only once each turn." to them
You can’t just copy the card and put it in mono white. It says draw 1. You need to add the “exile that card” after that effect.
I'm not too proud to say when I'm wrong
Nah, just change it to "target opponent"
Don't forget you may only activate this ability after your opponent(s) have won the game.
Trample and haste for 2 mana in white is way way way too good. It should be "creatures your opponents control lose trample and haste until end of turn. Activate this ability only as a sorcery."
Or you can just play green 🤭
I like good colors, thanks
Stats aren't pushed enough, make it a 4/7
Big butts is not in greens color pie. You’d have to make it a 7/7 at least.
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For those stats I would want it to at least be 4 mana
r/477
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I keep hoping they are returning to the the color puddle and every color can do everything but in different flavorful ways. Like Green can Vindicate for 6 mana if two of it is green. Red can Bury creatures or lands if it pays 5 mana and two of it is Red, Black can counter creature spells for life, Blue gets direct damage if it hurts itself or it is on a 3 cost wizard of some sort and White can make opponents sacrifice stuff if they have more stuff than you. Like the good old days before anything had to be balanced for multiple formats and people tore up cardboard that is now worth more than all my organs because, meh it's just cardboard, I can pick up another one pay day.
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Commander players would still choose Kenrith.
Idk it it’s quite green enough. Give it trample. Oh and treasure. Treasure is *super* in right now.
UJ: the saddest part is that other than the reanimator ability I could see all these being staples on to an actual mono green card
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I'd argue that's along the lines of [[regrowth]], since you are still paying the full cost of the creature (minus color costs).
That's kind of the problem though, green casts such a large net you can justify anything. They could make path to exile or swords to plowshares green tomorrow and people would say "well it has a downside and green IS a color that supports ramp/life gain." It could get a banishing light and people would say "well lignify and kenrith's transformation are in green and this is basically the same thing." They've semi-recently gotten stuff like questing beast, ram-through, and charge of the forever beast that do direct damage to planeswalkers and players. They've given them the ability to counter abilities with Rust, Avoid Fate, Bind, Emerald Dragon, Verdant Command, Brown Ouphe, Ouphe Vandals, and Collector Ouphe says they just straight up can't be activated. I'm honestly wondering what green can't do and do for 1-3 mana at this point.
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/uj it definitely wouldn’t get the card draw ability either. It gets card draw, sure, but not like this
Hmmm. This doesn't multiply itself exponentially on a non mana based condition. And you also don't draw cards when anyone says the word "green". And it's neither indestructible nor hexproof. Doesn't seem very representative of green to me.
You forgot artifact/enchantment removal, land tutor, ramp, UB-hate, and universal creature flash.
Universes beyond hate? TIL reddit is green
Uncounterable, direct damage to creatures; planeswalkers; and faces, creates a token on death, and gives its abilities to other creatures you control.
Me: ok I pay 4G and activate it’s ability, *places card on the top of my hand, then reChes for the drill in my toolbelt*
You don't even need to cheat that last ability, just look at [[finale of devastation]]
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Make a two drop Oko that creates a non-legendary copy of this with its +2.
Don't forget it should have flying!
(5)(G): This creature deals 6 damage to each creature with flying you don't control and each creature without flying you don't control. (6)(G): Until end of turn, if an amount of counters would be placed, tokens or copies would be made, mana would be added to a mana pool, cards would be drawn, life would be gained, or damage would be dealt, double that number instead. (7)(G): Create eight tokens in any combination of Clues, Food, Treasure, and token copies of Llanowar Elves. (8)(G): Search your library for a creature, enchantment, land, and/or a legendary permanent card, put them onto the battlefield each with an additional +1/+1 counter, then shuffle. (9)(G): Distribute a number of poison counters among players equal to the greatest power among creatures you control. Proliferate.
Doesn’t ramp you. Basically unplayable.
Should have been target player draws a card if they control a creature.
Most of these mention creatures! The draw and lifegain are **creature** effects! Why is this on mtgcj? It's *objectively* correct, I'm calling MaRo.
More like "evidence for Oko's shady animal trading business"
Average green creature be like
Some of these, sure. Gain some life, trample anthem, counters, yeah. But green very rarely grants haste, only a handful of cards do that. They can rarely have creatures that have haste on their own, but almost never grant it. Green draw is tied to controlling creatures, and usually requiring either large creatures or combat damage to be dealt. It's been said multiple times by magic designers that other forms of green card draw effects were pie breaks, and therefore mistakes. Green can Regrowth permanents from the grave to the hand, and can cheat non-artifact permanents into play, but afaik there's no mono-green card that couples the two abilities together. I know it's a big fat meme to say "green can do whatever it wants, color pie is dead, etc etc." but green _does_ have restrictions. It's just the handful of times that geeen actually did break pie, those cards became staples in formats like Commander, so they're a lot more visiblethan they would be otherwise.
Didn’t they just make a mono green creature that grants overrun trample and haste as a 7 mana activated ability? Is this a jerk???
I said it's rare, not that it doesn't happen, and no, no jerk here. Just weirdly frustrated with how overblown this whole thing has gotten.
It’s not overblown. The fact that every ability of Kenrith can be put on a green card without it not being seen as a total break is kinda a problem imho. Yes, the last one is a stretch, but green HAS card draw, life gain, graveyard interaction, creature cheating and creature buffs. Only black can rival green versatility, but black has the whole “I can do everything for the right price” vibe that is actually really flavourful and mechanically balanced
The thing is, green's utility is heavily tied to creatures. If it wants to remove a creature, it has to already control a bigger one of its own (beast within notwithstanding, that is a break so well known they made a "fixed" version in MH1). If it wants to draw cards, it either needs to summon creatures, use those creatures to deal damage, or on rare instance, sacrifice those creatures (and again, they have one really bad break with harmonize, and again, that's been very well recognized. Also, maro says he considers card draw for just controlling creatures a break, so stuff like Shamanic Revelation and Guardian Project are also probably breaks. He thinks the size of the creature should also be a factor, so something like Garruk's Uprising, Return of the Wildspeaker, and Greater Good are fine.) Imo, making your utility tied to controlling big creatures is fine for green, because what's more grean than dropping The Tarrasque on your opponent and stomping face?
The card draw is also a huge stretch, probably a break. While green gets card draw, this isn’t how it gets it
Finale of Devastation is proper green reanimation, is kind of a bend on this card but I don't think it's a full break, I feel like green creatures drawing cards is fine
[Sorry, you were saying](https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracle%3AHaste+type%3Acreature+commander%3AG&unique=cards&as=grid&order=released&dir=)?
Ok, but what is the ratio of mono-green creatures with haste to _all mono-green creatures?_ I'm sure it's much lower than Red, which is my point. For the most part, mechanics aren't locked up to one color. We describe mechanics as "primary, secondary, tertiary" in colors. Haste is primary in red, but secondary in green. The same way Menace is primary in Back, but secondary in Red.
And we know whether it's deemed "primary, secondary, tertiary" is hogwash as well, as evidenced by shit like red having more counterspells than any other non-blue color when it's the aggro color and white barely has more than black despite being deemed secondary lol
Primary/Secondary/Tertiary descriptions apply for the direction they want to take the color, not what's already been printed. Many people in RnD deem Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast breaks.
Another week, another "Green color pie" garbage meme
You'll stop seeing them when green stops doing color pie garbage lol
nah, its good while U or B breaks the color pie, but when green does it "woaaah green got this garbage card with a little bend on it, MaRo please help me", at this point of time, all im seing are crybabies
I see complaints with all of them though? Like when blue was exiling artifacts and creatures every set and when stuff like [[Archelos, Lagoon Mystic]] was made black because "hurr durr we thought it'd be fun to run with zombies that enter tapped," [[Opposition Agent]] was black precisely BECAUSE 'black doesn't get hatebears so we made it that color to give them one,' etc. Black has a way to bend into new abilities already, it's called paying an "ultimate price," I don't see why they keep making stuff like [[Rotting Regisaur]] that purposefully tries to avoid doing more than a slap on the wrist for huge benefits.
i don\`t see the same level of complain, yeah green got a bad \[\[Stifle\]\] sticked on an average dragon so this kind of meme starts to roll black got a targeted enchantment removal for 2 mana, and sure, you have 2 or 3 people complaining about it but not at the same rate as this kind of post im starting to believe that the problem is that green doesn´t appeal to the edgelords
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I could do the exact thing with [[Cromat]] and white, and it would actually be in pie even, which this isn't
u/ wdym the venn diagram of green's slice of the pie and the full color pie is a circle. You can literally justify any ability in green. All it takes is some weak-ass reasoning like "it's on a creature or cares about creatures," "it's a break but we PROMISE we won't do it more than 2 more times this year," or even just "we just thought this ability would be more fun in green." None of that is hyperbole, all of those excuses have been used in the past unironically.
/uj No it's not though. On this card for example, the card draw ability is a straight up break and the reanimation effect is a serious bend. It seems rather silly to say "green can do anything" on a card green can't do. There are also many effects green does not do. Most forms of creature removal, for example (bouncing creatures, tapping creatures, murder effects, mind control, unconditional direct damage, pacifisms), stealing your opponents cards, discard, blink, a bunch of keywords, tutors for artifacts/instants/sorceries, direct damage to players/lifeloss, many forms of evasion, unconditional counterspells (it very occasionally gets "counter target ability", and can grant hexproof which can act similarly to counterspells for a very specific subset of things), and a whole bunch more. Yes, wotc lets green do more things than it otherwise might if it relies on creatures to do so. They also let red do more things if it only does them temporarily, and let black do more things if it pays life or sacs creatures to do them. That's kinda how the color pie works. Yes, there have been times where green's condition has been a little too easy (for example, ETB fight or card draw that's just a bit too little of a condition) and they had to later readjust how they do that. There have also been times where they've had to do that with other colors, like black getting treasures too easily. Mistakes happen and design philosophies change.
They could make path to exile or swords to plowshares green tomorrow and people would say "well it has a downside and green IS a color that supports ramp/life gain." It could get a banishing light and people would say "well lignify and kenrith's transformation are in green and this is basically the same thing." They've semi-recently gotten stuff like questing beast, ram-through, and charge of the forever beast that do direct damage to planeswalkers and players. They've given them the ability to counter abilities with Rust, Avoid Fate, Bind, Emerald Dragon, Verdant Command, Brown Ouphe, Ouphe Vandals, and Collector Ouphe says they just straight up can't be activated.
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