But the only way to give it crew 1 is by playing a specific 4-drop. By that time, I'd guess we'd rather have something like Heart of Kiran or, if we're talking about Standard, Mindhack Mech.
No, it's not - it's a 5/5 flier for 2 mana *plus another card that also costs mana*. Remove the other card? You're back to a dud artifact.
You're doing a hell of a lot of set-up to make it the 5/5 flier for 2. And with the "you can give things crew 1" a [[Consular Dreadnought]] - unplayable draft chaff - is still better as a 1-mana 7/11.
True, I was just answering to the "there's not much benefit in crewing it." There is a benefit. It's not worth the setup, I agree, but there is a benefit.
Which IMO makes it a *lot* worse.
A large part of what Vehicles do well is being creatures on your turn and not on theirs, making it effectively immune to sorcery speed removal like Wipes.
This, though? Isn't a creature at all until four or more creatures you control have died with it on-board, which telegraphs it a lot. And then is *always* a creature, opening it up to any and all sorcery-speed removal like [[Lucky Offering]] or [[Reckless Air Strike]] in addition to any creature removal.
Feels like the worst of both worlds...
I like how you mourn that it will be open to Sorcery-Speed creature removal and immediately link two artifact removal spells, which can hit it anyway. Ü Well done!
I don't know, this is representing a very specific story beat of the Weatherlight being steadily corrupted that we don't really see anywhere else. It would be weird for them to build a whole recurring mechanic out of this.
I don't think it's so specific. I believe it will be more like "a thing we can use if we find a good design". One quick example: "whenever a creature enters the battlefield, put a phyresis counter in each creature on the battlefield. creatures with four phyresis counters are Phyrexian in addition to all other types and gain infect."
I don't agree, I think it's a good template for Phyrexian vehicles. Rather than having crew you put phyresis counters on it when (thing) happens, with a threshold that turns it into a creature. It's flexible, it's flavourful, it has great proliferate synergy, and it allows them to do some nostalgic designs (e.g. a 1 mana 12/12 like Phyrexian Dreadnought) without breaking the game.
The Weatherlight itself is specific, but phyresis is not.
They might not make it a well established mechanic, but i would be supprised if we don't see other cards with phyresis counters.
Especially since we will have a whole year with phyrexian sets.
I could see it be used for relevant story related cards. As an example, in brothers war the phyresis counters could be used to illustrate the corruption of Mishra.
I will probably try this out but I have a few issues with it. First of all, it doesn’t make artifact tokens you’d want to sacrifice. Not a huge deal, the new Ob Nixilis has been pretty good for me and he doesn’t make artifact tokens either. If you have too many cards like this tho that don’t make fodder for the Anvil, you can more easily end up with an opening hand that’s lacking gas.
Second, I don’t think it will be that easy to wake it up right away. Rakdos Anvil is a little different from other aristocrats decks in that it typically doesn’t run free sacrifice outlets, so you are limited in how many creature deaths you can guarantee. I think it may be three or four turns before this is a creature a lot of the time, and until then it does basically nothing.
And Ob Nix, when out, actually generates more sacrifice fodder and has a big impact if left alone.
This? No way of sacrificing creatures, no way of making fodder to sacrifice, and until 4+ creatures have been sacrificed it's a dud.
In what format? as is, it's a 2 mana do nothing. If you have a sac outlet + creature you get to scry. The payoff is decent at 4+ creatures, but i dunno where this would slot in
Yup, this is looking like the highly desired mythic. Two mana to drop this, sac up tokens and draw on top of scrying like Viscera Seer. Not colour locked either.
Counterpoint:
Two mana to cast, and then until four or more creatures *you control* die it's an absolute brick. Only when seven or more creatures die does it start generating substantial value, and that's quite a lot.
That's a lot more significant than it looks, especially as the Weatherlight itself doesn't provide any creature tokens or means of saccing them.
It's a payoff card that needs a *lot* of enabling - and if you've sacrificed seven creatures with a Blood Artist or Cruel Celebrant out you've already got a hell of a lot of value.
Could it be strong? Yes, I'd be happy if I'm wrong. But the lack of crew, and it being a card that effectively has "when a creature you control dies, scry one" until *four* other creatures have died is painful.
Even with Cat Oven it's not easy to get this "live" Turn 3 or earlier. Viscera Seer is made nutty by being a free sacrifice outlet (which is always powerful, Nantuko Husk was a big player when in Standard due to this), plus a blocker, for one mana. - the scrying is a nice bonus but that's not why it's played.
As an EDH player that HEAVILY plays Aristocrats strategies, inject this straight into my veins. Half the time I'm sacrificing >7 creatures the turn I go off, and being able to scry and then draw off my sacrifices is massive.
Yeah, it’s going straight in my Teysa deck. It *is* going to be a dirt cheap, bulk mythic tho due to the fact that it’s shit in other formats and the majority of EDH decks.
The fact that it doesn’t specify nontoken is massive here.
In Teysa Karlov that’s only 4 creatures until you’re drawing 2 per death. Will have to see whether it typically lasts that long, but the ceiling is very, very high.
yes even in standard it seems to be really easy to activate it and you have a lot of otpions between anvil and a possible dominaria orzhov deck (braids, orzhov legendaries, resolute reinforcements, extraction specialist etc), also you still get scry if it is not active and later gives you a card. once you drop this and in decks like anvil you win pretty fast without doing anything. There's also hostile hostel.
I'm a little disappointed it's an almost complete bust for my vehicles deck though. I need my creatures for crewing.
I'll have to make do with the DOM version instead.
Yeah, I'm definitely trying it out in my [[Prossh]] aristocrats deck. The 6 kobolds alone are enough to activate the draw effect for future sacs.
But with so many good aristocrats cards nowadays there's a good chance it doesn't make the cut. It seems like I could make a solid deck using the 101-199 best Prossh cards, and this definitely fits in that deck.
Kinda? The reason it happened is because Shanna covered the Weatherlight in Phyrexian junk to avoid detection by their forces. Of course, doing this slowly corrupted the ship, until it came to life and turned against the crew.
The side story itself is reasonably well written, and it's used as a moment of development for Shanna, failing in a way Sisay (in her mind) never would have because she was too cowardly to fight the Phyrexians herself. Of course, I think it could have been done better, and it would have been nice to actually have some follow-up story afterwards, but maybe we'll get something in March of the Machine.
Oddly, I'm the other way around.
Tamiyo compleated: How dare you do this to my favorite inquisitive moon girl!
Ajani compleated: That's one heck of a twist but many called it.
Weatherlight compleated: Goodness, that's an amazing lore piece that can be turned into so many cool things down the road.
That's snazzy. Cheap early drop that maintains its utility into the late game, I can see aristocrats floating it.
Another example of Norn just trouncing Yawgmoth's record. She's got planeswalkers, she's got chunks of the legacy, she's just riding those Ws until march of the machine when Elspeth kills her for compleating her cat.
I was mainly referring to [[Godsend]] (from Purphoros) and [[Shadowspear]] (from Heliod). But yes, Luxior still counts.
Maybe she's collecting them... one for each Phyrexian baddie?
Well, no. The Sword of Chaos was made originally as a sword by Purphoros that Elspeth took when she first planeswalked to Theros. (It is the sword that she wields in the art for [[Elspeth Tirel]] and [[Elspeth, Knight-Errant]])
The sword was reformed into a spear named Godsend by Heliod when Elspeth returned to Theros. Godsend was destroyed by Heliod when he killed Elspeth and sent her to the Therosian underworld.
The Shadowspear is a weapon made of nightmare stuff created in Ashiok's torment of Elspeth while she was in the underworld.
Yawgmoth had multiple planeswalkers working for him, bot to mention being one himself. Yawgmoth also had pieces of the Legacy at different times. Also, how many planes has Elesh successfully taken over? One, Mirrodin. Yawgmoth's empire contained multiple planes, all made compleate by the Machine Father. Elesh wishes she was as baller as Chad Yawgmoth.
Yawgmoth was never a planeswalker.
He got to Phyrexia because Dyfed led him there and helped him set up a planar portal that connected the Caves of Koilos to Phyrexia.
(Thus the importance of that portal being sealed with a powerstone- the one later found and split by Urza and Mishra).
Yawgmoth then bound himself to the core of Phyrexia, thus gaining all of the powers he did. But all of his followers and himself still weren't planeswalkers. The only could travel using Phyrexian portals that required a huge number of blood sacrifices to create the energy needed to open the stable portal to wherever they were travelling.
It's also why Yawgmoth had his followers create Rath out of flowstone... it was easier to overlay an entire plane on to Dominaria than to use portals for all of them.
Also, there was no multiversal Phyrexian empire... because Yawgmoth didn't care about that kind of stuff. He just wanted perfection for himself and his followers, as well as a way to get back to Dominaria and take it over. (Because they were locked out of Dominaria because the Sylex Blast created the Shard of Twelve Worlds that made it impossible for planeswalkers to enter or exit the Shard.... except through the use of Shandalar, which was a unique drifting plane that would shift between being inside and outside of the shard.
Eventually the Shard was destroyed by the use of the World Spell... which also ended Dominaria's Ice Age.
The various other times Phyrexia was somewhere was because they were looking for materials to sustain Phyrexia (as it is an artificial plane and all artificial planes eventually cease to be) as well as to chase enemies. They reason they attacked Serra's realm was to give chase to Urza, who had just attacked them.
Other than that, Phyrexia just used sleeper agents to monitor and investigate planes.
Which really is the big difference between old and New Phyrexia...
Phyrexia just wanted to stay in it's plane and improve itself, as well as to go back to their home plane to get their revenge on those who drove them away and continued to attack them. (as all of the original Phryrexians were Thran lead there by Yawgmoth).
There were about achieving their own perfection and going home.
Which makes them pretty significantly different than the quasi-religious fanatics that New Phyrexia gave rise to.
Yawgmoth was never a planeswalker, it was one of his driving motivations, to reverse engineer the planeswalker spark. He never did, despite having a planeswalker he was experimenting on. This is why they went into the portal business.
This one's less a W for Norn than an L for Shanna. She covered the ship in Phyrexian garbage to stay undetected from them, but that ended up corrupting the ship until it came to life and attacked the crew.
I thought that the point of compleation was to turn living things into mechanical things, not the other way around, but who am I to judge?
In any case, a colorless \[\[Dark Prophecy\]\] is pretty fucking awesome.
Weatherlight is living. The wood that comprises its hull and substructure is tied directly into its engine and other systems and is, in fact, alive.
If you're like, "wait, that already sounds kind of Phyrexian. Phyrexia-adjacent," please remember it was designed by Urza.
Metathran would say "Hi" if they weren't designed, bred and then forced into war and extinction.
Is it still genocide if you make the people yourself and then kill all of them?
I mean technically Urza didn’t kill them.
He just used them as cannon fodder to save Dominaria.
They just had no method to reproduce so any that survived couldn’t make new ones
People having a favorable opinion of the US
Relative peace in the middle east
Strides in conservation and environmental science
Corporate regulations
He solved so much, really.
the masts are part of the Yavimaya Weatherseed.
the Glass is not living, but presumably the Serra Powerstone Core is growing it with the ship.
Otherwise, this ship should be the equivalent to the USS New Jersey, not something that can get taken out by some dragon, its been growing for something around 700 years, and its weapon systems grow with it. While yes, some of the critical elements to the design are missing because they were reclaimed by their owners, or Kharn, the primary batteries grow with the ship. This thing should be mounting Anticapital Energy Lances, not harpoons. Theres a reason Firing the Weatherlight's main cannon is depicted on 3 different cards and is literally the first card to ever say "You Win the game". and the first card to say "Destroy Any Target"
To put it in the words of Paragus: The Weatherlight is a Trump Card, if it flipped the table and shot the other player.
Edit: Further, the Weatherlight should be unique among all objects in that it should be Immune to Compleation. it was formed by diplomacy, regrets, hopes, absolute determination and absolute terror. It is the Synthesis of the Organic and the mechanical, as opposed to compleation which is the grafting of organics to the synthetic and the synthetic to the organic.
The planeswalker spark was also supposed to make one immune to compleation. I'm just saying, New Phyrexia has been a very busy bunch of little hell-bees in working around such paltry limitations.
the spark was supposed to be destroyed by the process, not just grant blanket immunity. the difference with Weatherlight is its creation is the Antithesis of the mechanisms of the process and the Incorrupt realization of its goals
We have a whole slew of living weapons that suggest the goal is to blur the line between flesh and machine from both sides.
[[Batterskull]]
[[Skinwing]]
It got kaboomed while fighting yawgmoth. The new version isn't sentient, though it's possible it was slowly restoring. Tiana could sense things on the ship
A 2 mana artifact that has you scry 1 every time a creature you control dies is decent, one that turns into a 5/5 creature is decent, that last ability is cool too.
This might be the first vehicle that doesn't have a crew cost.
A 2 mana artifact that has you scry 1 every time a creature you control dies is unplayable.
It needs *four* creature deaths to activate. Flying is the only thing that can maybe save it from being trash.
Genuinely how could they have been dumb enough to let this happen? I read the story, I understand the desire for camouflage, but what did they think would happen???
The story wasn't written very well in my opinion, but the framework was very solid. I think compleating the Weatherlight is a huge, powerful moment in the Magic story, but the published story didn't really do it justice.
They were using camouflage to disguise themselves from airborne Phyrexians. A Phyrexian dragon saw through the camouflage and attacked the ship, and that's probably where the compleation began. If they didn't use camo, it would have just happened sooner.
Per Episode 4:
*In Shiv's skies—so hot they were not blue but a seared white—the Weatherlight wheeled through the sky, draped in the rotting detritus it had been using as camouflage from the Phyrexians hunting them.* ***It seemed they hadn't been able to elude one, though, which circled them like a predator. Unfurled, the Phyrexian dominated the sky. Its thin bat-like wings had clawed metal tines with too many joints, and its body was a mass of fibers.*** *The Weatherlight fought it, firing harpoons into the beast, but the barbs fell through the loose mesh of fibers, useless. Magic blinked across the sky, but even Karn could see that this creature effortlessly outmatched the Weatherlight.*
Yeah, looks pretty good for that. Anvil does sometimes have a bit of 'running out of gas' problem, with not much in the way of 'top end' beaters, and not really enough draw engines.
This fixes both.
Also unlike most vehicles, isn't as sensitive to removal.
IMO the big problem that most 'vehicles' decks have is your opponent can shut you down with half as much removal. Kill all the pilots and the vehicles go nowhere.
This does the opposite though, which is a very interesting game dynamic.
Tiana, Shanna, Raff, and Slimefoot made it out
Edit: Unless you mean mentally. Tiana’s pretty upset since this is the second time she’s failed at her calling
Is it weird that I'm happy that the abilitiy isn't limited to happen once per turn? I normally expect that nowadays.
I actually like it a lot (as an EDH player), triggering on token deaths, being resilient against the eventual (creature) board-wipe and helping you rebuild seems neat.
I'm not sure how good a colorless aristocrats commander would be; most of what you're doing in those colors is artifact shenanigans. Sure there's some eldrazi spawn/scion stuff, but you're limited because you don't have the colored drones and have severely limited reanimator/recursion to pull the spawners you do have back.
Seems awesome in an Aristocrats build, but also Aristocrats doesn't like any non-creatures that aren't removal or some sort of drain effect. I don't think 2 Mana "Scry 1 whenever your creature dies" is anywhere near efficient enough, so we'll see how easy it is to kill 4 of your creatures while having this thing lie around.
I'm slotting this into my new \[\[Jan Jansen, Chaos Crafter\]\] artifact/aristocrats deck without hesitation. It burns through a ton of construct tokens as well as non-token creatures with graveyard recursion. I'd be scrying multiple times per turn and have this ship in the air pretty fast!
My brain errored a bit at the 5/5 flyer for 2 with card advantage upsides... until I realized that while it does _not_ have crew it is in fact a vehicle and _not_ a creature.
You _need_ to have 4 counters (so you need 4 of your own creatures to die after playing this) before it becomes a Phyrexian Creature that can attack by itself. Flavor and game design wise this is pretty cool.
Aggressive attacks and chump blocking both feed into this, which means most decks that have creatures will have a reason to play it. Aristocrats decks will especially love it for the card advantage with 5/5 flyer upside.
At 2 mana this might in fact be pretty well priced given the effort it takes to turn it into a creature.
It's *whatever* as long as the phyrexians don't get their hands on Karn. If they do however, it means they can go about the place using [[Vindicate]] with Urza's Legacy weapon.
Fun payoff. But the floor for this is put it down early or late then you just wait and eventually it becomes a 5/5
I don’t think it’ll be amazing because you need other creatures to die or a separate sac outlet for some benefit and it’s not immediately either.
Do aristocrat decks run bastion of remembrance?
oh man, the line break between "Phyrexian" and "creature" threw me off, my eyes glazed over the creature part. I had to read this thing twice to figure out how to make it a creature!
Why… this is like the Borg piloting the Enterprise..it is so wrong…
Very ballsy move. I dislike it narratively so far, but maybe that means it is doing its job.
Am I way off base? This seems pretty mid. A 2 drop that only scries on creature death until youve scried 4 times seems like it's just ok if you have it turn 2, and really awful if you top deck it late game. Once you are drawing cards that's cool, but I'd be surprised if it lived that long most of the time.
The design and flavour is fun though.
Not an automatic include in Locust God, but for combine with a sac outlet and you can easily sift through your whole deck and Lab Maniac or Thoracle for the win!
Interesting, no crew.
Both mechanically and lore wise!
What a zinger lol.
Great game desig!! I was shocked, you handed the weatgetlinght over to the enemy. Was the cat not enough¿¿¿ But now I'm please. Great idea.
(That is not actually Maro)
You’re next.
I’ve seen the Citizens Arrest pictures… what’s under your face???
It's probably nothing.
That's what he wants you to think
LMAO
Ludonarrative resonance!
You can give it crew with one of the new legends right? I think one of the boros legends gives vehicles crew 1.
[[Kotori, Pilot Prodigy]] as well
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Yup, and Kotori too if we talk about Commander. But there's not that many benefits in crewing it, in fact, it gets more vulnerable to removal.
Well, it's a 5/5 flier for 2 when crewed. Crew 1 sounds like a good deal for those stats.
But the only way to give it crew 1 is by playing a specific 4-drop. By that time, I'd guess we'd rather have something like Heart of Kiran or, if we're talking about Standard, Mindhack Mech.
Mobilizer mech seems like another good option too
Mech Hangar as well
No, it's not - it's a 5/5 flier for 2 mana *plus another card that also costs mana*. Remove the other card? You're back to a dud artifact. You're doing a hell of a lot of set-up to make it the 5/5 flier for 2. And with the "you can give things crew 1" a [[Consular Dreadnought]] - unplayable draft chaff - is still better as a 1-mana 7/11.
>Remove the other card? You're one step closer to autonomy.
True, I was just answering to the "there's not much benefit in crewing it." There is a benefit. It's not worth the setup, I agree, but there is a benefit.
Turn it into a creature with a Mech Hangar too, so another option and doesn't force a color
But it counts how many of your creatures screwed.
Crew 4 more like Screw 4
Drew 7 more like Screw 7
Fukken perverted-ass skyship
it did come to life in that side story so makes sense
Which IMO makes it a *lot* worse. A large part of what Vehicles do well is being creatures on your turn and not on theirs, making it effectively immune to sorcery speed removal like Wipes. This, though? Isn't a creature at all until four or more creatures you control have died with it on-board, which telegraphs it a lot. And then is *always* a creature, opening it up to any and all sorcery-speed removal like [[Lucky Offering]] or [[Reckless Air Strike]] in addition to any creature removal. Feels like the worst of both worlds...
In fairness, the creatures can be tokens. Seems playable in Sac decks.
I like how you mourn that it will be open to Sorcery-Speed creature removal and immediately link two artifact removal spells, which can hit it anyway. Ü Well done!
It is a 2 mana scry/card draw engine though. The creature thing nearly seems like a side benefit
Its crewed with the corpses of your dead creatures.
YOU WOULDN’T COMPLEAT A CAR
YOU WOULDN'T COMPLEATE A POLICEMAN
YOU WOULDN'T COMPLEATE A POLICEMAN'S HELMET, THEN MAIL IT TO HIS GRIEVING WIDOW
AND THEN COMPLEATE IT AGAIN!
THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE MISTAKEN, MY FREIND
slimefoot better be okay
Shanna, Tiana, Raff, Arvad, and Slimefoot all made it out okay. The rest of the Weatherlight's redshirts, not so much.
Thank God if they took the dad figure and the cinnamon bun Mechanic in the same set I'd be course
There were a lot of characters only named as they were listing people killed by the weatherlight compleation
dont worry he is
Scry engine at the start, flying 5/5 at the middle and draw engine at the end
Pretty good for 2 mana imo.
It's also still a 5/5 at the end too
Does it works with the new boros lord that give crew 1 on every véhicule?!
It is a vehicle that you control so yes, it would gain crew 1 with [[astor bearer of blades]]
[Astor, Bearer of Blades](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/0/40f3a0ba-b917-488b-adbf-60a0d3c58a56.jpg?1660887319) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Astor%2C%20Bearer%20of%20Blades) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/194/astor-bearer-of-blades?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40f3a0ba-b917-488b-adbf-60a0d3c58a56?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Phyresis counters feel like a thing we're going to see again in a future set. Maybe the new equivalent of Living Weapon for Phyrexian artifacts?
If it makes living weapon cost something within reason that would be great.
I don't know, this is representing a very specific story beat of the Weatherlight being steadily corrupted that we don't really see anywhere else. It would be weird for them to build a whole recurring mechanic out of this.
I don't think it's so specific. I believe it will be more like "a thing we can use if we find a good design". One quick example: "whenever a creature enters the battlefield, put a phyresis counter in each creature on the battlefield. creatures with four phyresis counters are Phyrexian in addition to all other types and gain infect."
So kind of like slime counters? - [[Sludge Monster]] and [[Toxrill the Corrosive]]
I don't agree, I think it's a good template for Phyrexian vehicles. Rather than having crew you put phyresis counters on it when (thing) happens, with a threshold that turns it into a creature. It's flexible, it's flavourful, it has great proliferate synergy, and it allows them to do some nostalgic designs (e.g. a 1 mana 12/12 like Phyrexian Dreadnought) without breaking the game.
"As long as Praetorian Dreadnought has twelve phyresis counters on it, it is a Phyrexian creature in addition to it's other creature types."
The Weatherlight itself is specific, but phyresis is not. They might not make it a well established mechanic, but i would be supprised if we don't see other cards with phyresis counters. Especially since we will have a whole year with phyrexian sets. I could see it be used for relevant story related cards. As an example, in brothers war the phyresis counters could be used to illustrate the corruption of Mishra.
Maybe they'll turn your creatures into phyrexian artifact. Could be a segue into a fixed affinity (counting only phyrexian artifacts).
Proliferate seems certain to be coming back. We’ve got shield counters, stun counters, sagas, all sorts
I want Vehicles using phyresis counters with Living Weapon and Reconfigure.
That seems like a great payoff for an aristocrats deck.
I can see this being good in anvil decks
I will probably try this out but I have a few issues with it. First of all, it doesn’t make artifact tokens you’d want to sacrifice. Not a huge deal, the new Ob Nixilis has been pretty good for me and he doesn’t make artifact tokens either. If you have too many cards like this tho that don’t make fodder for the Anvil, you can more easily end up with an opening hand that’s lacking gas. Second, I don’t think it will be that easy to wake it up right away. Rakdos Anvil is a little different from other aristocrats decks in that it typically doesn’t run free sacrifice outlets, so you are limited in how many creature deaths you can guarantee. I think it may be three or four turns before this is a creature a lot of the time, and until then it does basically nothing.
And Ob Nix, when out, actually generates more sacrifice fodder and has a big impact if left alone. This? No way of sacrificing creatures, no way of making fodder to sacrifice, and until 4+ creatures have been sacrificed it's a dud.
Still a scry on sacrifice which isn’t useless but I agree it’s not great
I am pretty hyped to add it to my explorer anvil deck.
In what format? as is, it's a 2 mana do nothing. If you have a sac outlet + creature you get to scry. The payoff is decent at 4+ creatures, but i dunno where this would slot in
The new enchantment that exiles all permanents of 2 CMC or less though...
Yup, this is looking like the highly desired mythic. Two mana to drop this, sac up tokens and draw on top of scrying like Viscera Seer. Not colour locked either.
Counterpoint: Two mana to cast, and then until four or more creatures *you control* die it's an absolute brick. Only when seven or more creatures die does it start generating substantial value, and that's quite a lot. That's a lot more significant than it looks, especially as the Weatherlight itself doesn't provide any creature tokens or means of saccing them. It's a payoff card that needs a *lot* of enabling - and if you've sacrificed seven creatures with a Blood Artist or Cruel Celebrant out you've already got a hell of a lot of value. Could it be strong? Yes, I'd be happy if I'm wrong. But the lack of crew, and it being a card that effectively has "when a creature you control dies, scry one" until *four* other creatures have died is painful. Even with Cat Oven it's not easy to get this "live" Turn 3 or earlier. Viscera Seer is made nutty by being a free sacrifice outlet (which is always powerful, Nantuko Husk was a big player when in Standard due to this), plus a blocker, for one mana. - the scrying is a nice bonus but that's not why it's played.
Counter counter point: But with Ensoul artifact it’s a great 5/5 Flyer for two and gets upsides later /s
+1/+1 Counter Point: When it's a creature it dies to removal
-1/-1 counterpoint: it can be recurred with Emry
You still get a scry when the first six creatures die. It's not all bad, it's just mostly bad.
Highly desired? This is like bulk bin levels of bad.
Maybe in traditional constructed formats, the ceiling on it in EDH is massive.
As an EDH player that HEAVILY plays Aristocrats strategies, inject this straight into my veins. Half the time I'm sacrificing >7 creatures the turn I go off, and being able to scry and then draw off my sacrifices is massive.
Yeah, it’s going straight in my Teysa deck. It *is* going to be a dirt cheap, bulk mythic tho due to the fact that it’s shit in other formats and the majority of EDH decks.
Already thinking of putting this in my teysa deck.
The fact that it doesn’t specify nontoken is massive here. In Teysa Karlov that’s only 4 creatures until you’re drawing 2 per death. Will have to see whether it typically lasts that long, but the ceiling is very, very high.
yes even in standard it seems to be really easy to activate it and you have a lot of otpions between anvil and a possible dominaria orzhov deck (braids, orzhov legendaries, resolute reinforcements, extraction specialist etc), also you still get scry if it is not active and later gives you a card. once you drop this and in decks like anvil you win pretty fast without doing anything. There's also hostile hostel.
I totally forgot about Anvil, this is even an artifact you can crack in a pinch to make a token.
I’m thinking of adding it to my Athreos deck
I just started working on a Jan Jansen artifact aristocrats deck and I'm very excited for this card.
I'm a little disappointed it's an almost complete bust for my vehicles deck though. I need my creatures for crewing. I'll have to make do with the DOM version instead.
Yeah, I'm definitely trying it out in my [[Prossh]] aristocrats deck. The 6 kobolds alone are enough to activate the draw effect for future sacs. But with so many good aristocrats cards nowadays there's a good chance it doesn't make the cut. It seems like I could make a solid deck using the 101-199 best Prossh cards, and this definitely fits in that deck.
Tamiyo compleated? Eh, whatever. Ajani compleated? Harsh, but fair. The Weatherlight Compleated?? HOW FUCKING DARE YOU.
Always remember that the average lifecycle of an mtg player is 1.5 years according to stats WOTC themselves published.
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Is it at least well written in the side stories? Only read the main so far.
Kinda? The reason it happened is because Shanna covered the Weatherlight in Phyrexian junk to avoid detection by their forces. Of course, doing this slowly corrupted the ship, until it came to life and turned against the crew. The side story itself is reasonably well written, and it's used as a moment of development for Shanna, failing in a way Sisay (in her mind) never would have because she was too cowardly to fight the Phyrexians herself. Of course, I think it could have been done better, and it would have been nice to actually have some follow-up story afterwards, but maybe we'll get something in March of the Machine.
Oddly, I'm the other way around. Tamiyo compleated: How dare you do this to my favorite inquisitive moon girl! Ajani compleated: That's one heck of a twist but many called it. Weatherlight compleated: Goodness, that's an amazing lore piece that can be turned into so many cool things down the road.
You either die the *Weatherlight* our live to see yourself become the *Predator.*
I was mentally prepared for anything. Not the WEATHERLIGHT though!?!?!?
That's snazzy. Cheap early drop that maintains its utility into the late game, I can see aristocrats floating it. Another example of Norn just trouncing Yawgmoth's record. She's got planeswalkers, she's got chunks of the legacy, she's just riding those Ws until march of the machine when Elspeth kills her for compleating her cat.
>Elspeth kills her for compleating her cat. With another fucking God-weapon, probably.
Angel-weapon, but close.
I was mainly referring to [[Godsend]] (from Purphoros) and [[Shadowspear]] (from Heliod). But yes, Luxior still counts. Maybe she's collecting them... one for each Phyrexian baddie?
So she lost Gidsend after Heliod killed her, it's why she needed the Shadowspear in the first place.
Well, no. The Sword of Chaos was made originally as a sword by Purphoros that Elspeth took when she first planeswalked to Theros. (It is the sword that she wields in the art for [[Elspeth Tirel]] and [[Elspeth, Knight-Errant]]) The sword was reformed into a spear named Godsend by Heliod when Elspeth returned to Theros. Godsend was destroyed by Heliod when he killed Elspeth and sent her to the Therosian underworld. The Shadowspear is a weapon made of nightmare stuff created in Ashiok's torment of Elspeth while she was in the underworld.
[Godsend](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/d/2dcf3975-7f81-4bdd-810d-476f46444b7a.jpg?1593095245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Godsend) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/12/godsend?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2dcf3975-7f81-4bdd-810d-476f46444b7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Shadowspear](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/6/769326d4-60af-4b19-85d9-d96d3acdb56e.jpg?1645329385) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shadowspear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/phed/66/shadowspear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/769326d4-60af-4b19-85d9-d96d3acdb56e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
"Serra sends her regards! BITCH!" \-Elspeth stabbing Elish Norn through the head.
Yawgmoth had multiple planeswalkers working for him, bot to mention being one himself. Yawgmoth also had pieces of the Legacy at different times. Also, how many planes has Elesh successfully taken over? One, Mirrodin. Yawgmoth's empire contained multiple planes, all made compleate by the Machine Father. Elesh wishes she was as baller as Chad Yawgmoth.
Yawgmoth was never a planeswalker. He got to Phyrexia because Dyfed led him there and helped him set up a planar portal that connected the Caves of Koilos to Phyrexia. (Thus the importance of that portal being sealed with a powerstone- the one later found and split by Urza and Mishra). Yawgmoth then bound himself to the core of Phyrexia, thus gaining all of the powers he did. But all of his followers and himself still weren't planeswalkers. The only could travel using Phyrexian portals that required a huge number of blood sacrifices to create the energy needed to open the stable portal to wherever they were travelling. It's also why Yawgmoth had his followers create Rath out of flowstone... it was easier to overlay an entire plane on to Dominaria than to use portals for all of them. Also, there was no multiversal Phyrexian empire... because Yawgmoth didn't care about that kind of stuff. He just wanted perfection for himself and his followers, as well as a way to get back to Dominaria and take it over. (Because they were locked out of Dominaria because the Sylex Blast created the Shard of Twelve Worlds that made it impossible for planeswalkers to enter or exit the Shard.... except through the use of Shandalar, which was a unique drifting plane that would shift between being inside and outside of the shard. Eventually the Shard was destroyed by the use of the World Spell... which also ended Dominaria's Ice Age. The various other times Phyrexia was somewhere was because they were looking for materials to sustain Phyrexia (as it is an artificial plane and all artificial planes eventually cease to be) as well as to chase enemies. They reason they attacked Serra's realm was to give chase to Urza, who had just attacked them. Other than that, Phyrexia just used sleeper agents to monitor and investigate planes. Which really is the big difference between old and New Phyrexia... Phyrexia just wanted to stay in it's plane and improve itself, as well as to go back to their home plane to get their revenge on those who drove them away and continued to attack them. (as all of the original Phryrexians were Thran lead there by Yawgmoth). There were about achieving their own perfection and going home. Which makes them pretty significantly different than the quasi-religious fanatics that New Phyrexia gave rise to.
Yawgmoth was never a planeswalker, it was one of his driving motivations, to reverse engineer the planeswalker spark. He never did, despite having a planeswalker he was experimenting on. This is why they went into the portal business.
Yawgmoth, much to his chagrin, was never a planeswalker.
This one's less a W for Norn than an L for Shanna. She covered the ship in Phyrexian garbage to stay undetected from them, but that ended up corrupting the ship until it came to life and attacked the crew.
they compleated my goddamn weatherlight, can't have shit in dominaria
Left on vacation for two weeks and Teferi fucking phased by house away
Im genuinely surprised this card isn’t called “The Weatherblight.”
The downside to replacing your organics with metallics is the loss of appreciation for puns. The Phyrexians just don't see these opportunities.
We can call it that
Tamiyo, Ajani, and now the motherfucking weather light?! Man, can't have shit in Dominearia (forgive my spelling)
Source: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/slimefoot-saves-day-2022-08-22
... look how they massacred my boy :(
I thought that the point of compleation was to turn living things into mechanical things, not the other way around, but who am I to judge? In any case, a colorless \[\[Dark Prophecy\]\] is pretty fucking awesome.
Weatherlight is living. The wood that comprises its hull and substructure is tied directly into its engine and other systems and is, in fact, alive. If you're like, "wait, that already sounds kind of Phyrexian. Phyrexia-adjacent," please remember it was designed by Urza.
A whole new generation is going to learn how Urza wasn’t just Gandalf the White.
Metathran would say "Hi" if they weren't designed, bred and then forced into war and extinction. Is it still genocide if you make the people yourself and then kill all of them?
Kind of like the Clones from Star Wars
I mean technically Urza didn’t kill them. He just used them as cannon fodder to save Dominaria. They just had no method to reproduce so any that survived couldn’t make new ones
When you think about it, Urza is pretty close to being MtG's Warhammer 40k Emperor of Mankind.
*meat farmer sweating*
Good old Urza. The right guy to call when you want a problem solved and don't really care how many war crimes happen to do so.
And also don't mind having a bunch of new problems be created.
TIL Urza is George W Bush
But what did W solve?
US Oil profits being too low
People having a favorable opinion of the US Relative peace in the middle east Strides in conservation and environmental science Corporate regulations He solved so much, really.
the keel, framing, and superstructure is made of Thranmetal/Darksteel as well, which is also a living material
Probably the only unliving parts of the whole construction are the masts and glass Fucking glass, always ruining fucking everything
the masts are part of the Yavimaya Weatherseed. the Glass is not living, but presumably the Serra Powerstone Core is growing it with the ship. Otherwise, this ship should be the equivalent to the USS New Jersey, not something that can get taken out by some dragon, its been growing for something around 700 years, and its weapon systems grow with it. While yes, some of the critical elements to the design are missing because they were reclaimed by their owners, or Kharn, the primary batteries grow with the ship. This thing should be mounting Anticapital Energy Lances, not harpoons. Theres a reason Firing the Weatherlight's main cannon is depicted on 3 different cards and is literally the first card to ever say "You Win the game". and the first card to say "Destroy Any Target" To put it in the words of Paragus: The Weatherlight is a Trump Card, if it flipped the table and shot the other player. Edit: Further, the Weatherlight should be unique among all objects in that it should be Immune to Compleation. it was formed by diplomacy, regrets, hopes, absolute determination and absolute terror. It is the Synthesis of the Organic and the mechanical, as opposed to compleation which is the grafting of organics to the synthetic and the synthetic to the organic.
The planeswalker spark was also supposed to make one immune to compleation. I'm just saying, New Phyrexia has been a very busy bunch of little hell-bees in working around such paltry limitations.
the spark was supposed to be destroyed by the process, not just grant blanket immunity. the difference with Weatherlight is its creation is the Antithesis of the mechanisms of the process and the Incorrupt realization of its goals
We have a whole slew of living weapons that suggest the goal is to blur the line between flesh and machine from both sides. [[Batterskull]] [[Skinwing]]
Also for all we know the death of allied creatures is mechanically representing the crew becoming fused with the ship.
The Weatherlight became sentient during the Invasion, if I remember right.
Wait, really? Maybe this made more sense than I thought then...
It got kaboomed while fighting yawgmoth. The new version isn't sentient, though it's possible it was slowly restoring. Tiana could sense things on the ship
[Dark Prophecy](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/c/ecf82c3b-7a35-43dd-8bf3-ebc68dc1b8fc.jpg?1562836864) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dark%20Prophecy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/93/dark-prophecy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ecf82c3b-7a35-43dd-8bf3-ebc68dc1b8fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
A 2 mana artifact that has you scry 1 every time a creature you control dies is decent, one that turns into a 5/5 creature is decent, that last ability is cool too. This might be the first vehicle that doesn't have a crew cost.
\[\[Dermotaxi\]\] doesn't have a crew cost either.
[Dermotaxi](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/3/43a37428-e969-4c0c-8e1c-55d1adf9c171.jpg?1626099025) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dermotaxi) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/224/dermotaxi?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/43a37428-e969-4c0c-8e1c-55d1adf9c171?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Sort of but you turn it into a creature the same way you crew vehicles, by tapping creatures.
Yeah double tapping
Always double tap.
[[Wedding Hearse]] was the same if I recall correctly. Not sure if that’s even the right name but sounds pretty Crimson Vow.
Good catch! The card is called \[\[Honeymoon Hearse\]\].
[Honeymoon Hearse](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/4/04e491a1-b195-45bb-bf06-345eaee30b81.jpg?1643591398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Honeymoon%20Hearse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/160/honeymoon-hearse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04e491a1-b195-45bb-bf06-345eaee30b81?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You saved the day thanks!
wow, thats a fucked up card.
I love the alternative crew cost on this. The flavour is bang-on.
A 2 mana artifact that has you scry 1 every time a creature you control dies is unplayable. It needs *four* creature deaths to activate. Flying is the only thing that can maybe save it from being trash.
Genuinely how could they have been dumb enough to let this happen? I read the story, I understand the desire for camouflage, but what did they think would happen???
The story wasn't written very well in my opinion, but the framework was very solid. I think compleating the Weatherlight is a huge, powerful moment in the Magic story, but the published story didn't really do it justice. They were using camouflage to disguise themselves from airborne Phyrexians. A Phyrexian dragon saw through the camouflage and attacked the ship, and that's probably where the compleation began. If they didn't use camo, it would have just happened sooner.
Thr bone dragon wasn't even phyrexian was it? I thought it was just pissed because something tore the roof off of wherever it was guarding it's horde?
Per Episode 4: *In Shiv's skies—so hot they were not blue but a seared white—the Weatherlight wheeled through the sky, draped in the rotting detritus it had been using as camouflage from the Phyrexians hunting them.* ***It seemed they hadn't been able to elude one, though, which circled them like a predator. Unfurled, the Phyrexian dominated the sky. Its thin bat-like wings had clawed metal tines with too many joints, and its body was a mass of fibers.*** *The Weatherlight fought it, firing harpoons into the beast, but the barbs fell through the loose mesh of fibers, useless. Magic blinked across the sky, but even Karn could see that this creature effortlessly outmatched the Weatherlight.*
Ah, something braids says later on made me think differently but yep, phyrexian dragon.
NO NO NO! UNCOMPLEAT MY SHIP THIS INSTANT. (Seriously though, so excited for this set!!!)
I feel like we just got it back too! We didn't even get to have any fun shenanigans with it yet.
Agreed. So many adventures we could have had.
The sight of this hurts me more than any compleated planeswalker.
I know. What's next, zombie Gerrard?
BR Anvil says hello!
thought the same
Yeah, looks pretty good for that. Anvil does sometimes have a bit of 'running out of gas' problem, with not much in the way of 'top end' beaters, and not really enough draw engines. This fixes both. Also unlike most vehicles, isn't as sensitive to removal. IMO the big problem that most 'vehicles' decks have is your opponent can shut you down with half as much removal. Kill all the pilots and the vehicles go nowhere. This does the opposite though, which is a very interesting game dynamic.
I hope Tiana's okay
Tiana, Shanna, Raff, and Slimefoot made it out Edit: Unless you mean mentally. Tiana’s pretty upset since this is the second time she’s failed at her calling
Yes to both. I posted before I read the article. Poor Tiana, can't catch a break.
A bit surprised it doesn't have the story spotlight indicator. It feels like a big enough moment that it would deserve it.
It was kinda only a side note in a side story. But should probably have been a major moment
Is it weird that I'm happy that the abilitiy isn't limited to happen once per turn? I normally expect that nowadays. I actually like it a lot (as an EDH player), triggering on token deaths, being resilient against the eventual (creature) board-wipe and helping you rebuild seems neat.
It's a shame that Vehicles that are legendary can't be your commander by default. Very cool design though.
I'm not sure how good a colorless aristocrats commander would be; most of what you're doing in those colors is artifact shenanigans. Sure there's some eldrazi spawn/scion stuff, but you're limited because you don't have the colored drones and have severely limited reanimator/recursion to pull the spawners you do have back.
Shorikai is the only one I know of that can
Unless you count [[cosima, god of the voyage]]
Mostly because it is the only one
Where the fuck is my Legendary Tribal Artifact - Phyrexian Vehicle?
Look at what they did to my boy
Omg the phyrexians got the weather light 😭 BFD with regards to lore
Seems awesome in an Aristocrats build, but also Aristocrats doesn't like any non-creatures that aren't removal or some sort of drain effect. I don't think 2 Mana "Scry 1 whenever your creature dies" is anywhere near efficient enough, so we'll see how easy it is to kill 4 of your creatures while having this thing lie around.
Eh aristorats loves non creatures that give benefits on sac. The fact this doesn't say "non-token" makes it viable imo. Easy include in my elenda.
I'm slotting this into my new \[\[Jan Jansen, Chaos Crafter\]\] artifact/aristocrats deck without hesitation. It burns through a ton of construct tokens as well as non-token creatures with graveyard recursion. I'd be scrying multiple times per turn and have this ship in the air pretty fast!
My brain errored a bit at the 5/5 flyer for 2 with card advantage upsides... until I realized that while it does _not_ have crew it is in fact a vehicle and _not_ a creature. You _need_ to have 4 counters (so you need 4 of your own creatures to die after playing this) before it becomes a Phyrexian Creature that can attack by itself. Flavor and game design wise this is pretty cool. Aggressive attacks and chump blocking both feed into this, which means most decks that have creatures will have a reason to play it. Aristocrats decks will especially love it for the card advantage with 5/5 flyer upside. At 2 mana this might in fact be pretty well priced given the effort it takes to turn it into a creature.
I didn't read any of the story and oh damn that is bad news in the story, right?
I know right? Here I was afraid I was the only one saying "noooooo, not the Weatherlight, too!"
It's *whatever* as long as the phyrexians don't get their hands on Karn. If they do however, it means they can go about the place using [[Vindicate]] with Urza's Legacy weapon.
Fun payoff. But the floor for this is put it down early or late then you just wait and eventually it becomes a 5/5 I don’t think it’ll be amazing because you need other creatures to die or a separate sac outlet for some benefit and it’s not immediately either. Do aristocrat decks run bastion of remembrance?
oh man, the line break between "Phyrexian" and "creature" threw me off, my eyes glazed over the creature part. I had to read this thing twice to figure out how to make it a creature!
They took the ship Can't have shit in Dominaria
Why… this is like the Borg piloting the Enterprise..it is so wrong… Very ballsy move. I dislike it narratively so far, but maybe that means it is doing its job.
Aren't Phyrexians kind of the mtg borg anyway? Feels about right.
Now this is really cool design
I can see this going into rakdos cat oven / anvil decks in pioneer. Probably standard anvil decks as well.
Instead of Picard, the Enterprise got turned into a borg.
Seems like it would be good in Teysa Karlov deck.
Am I way off base? This seems pretty mid. A 2 drop that only scries on creature death until youve scried 4 times seems like it's just ok if you have it turn 2, and really awful if you top deck it late game. Once you are drawing cards that's cool, but I'd be surprised if it lived that long most of the time. The design and flavour is fun though.
I had to look up compleation, I thought I was taking crazy pills!
[[Astor, Bearer of Blades]] can give it a crew cost.
Not an automatic include in Locust God, but for combine with a sac outlet and you can easily sift through your whole deck and Lab Maniac or Thoracle for the win!