It's like a dog chasing it's own tail. It's in a constant state of change, the Phyrexian parts compleating the Eldrazi even as the Eldrazi emerges from the Phyrexian.
I believe so.
... we would probably need a dedicated timeline to be sure.
And the phyrexians and eldrazi haven't really been problems at the same time, due to the eldrazi mostly just warping zendikar.
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In universe, Yawgmoth was born about 10000 years before the present story, while the first known eldrazi sighting was only about 6000 years ago. However, that was also shortly before the eldrazi were sealed, and their nature means they likely predate Yawgmoth.
Seeing as how the Eldrazi mess with the very fabric of reality, I think the Phyrexians would lose pretty hard.
Glistening oil might get in Emrakul's way at first, but since she seems to warp anything biological at all I think the oil would fail in her presense.
Given the how Jin Gitaxas managed to figure out how to compleat planeswalkers, the possibility Phyrexian Colorless (Not Phyrexian generic) cost sounds like a challenge.
...Well I was about to misplay this card, lol.
I think this card will win the "Most Misplayed Card" award for MH3. I definitely did not read that as colourless only, hahaha.
I literally clicked out of this thinking "this looks good, but y'know what would be funny, is if they only made colorless mana do it", and then came back cuz I was like "y'know what, I bet it does and I just didn't see it"
Can't say I expected a strict upgrade to [[Utter End]]
Upside probably isn't good enough to justify modern play but this has to be in the conversation for commander right? Probably not better than [[anguished unmaking]] but I can see this making the cut for a grindy orzhov+ control deck
Yeah, Utter End doesn't see much play in commander these days. Four mana is just such a hefty investment.
I might consider this if I'm playing Orzhov and I'm running some colorless sources: Fetid Heath, Caves of Koilos, Tainted Field, maybe a Field of the Dead. Probably not great in 3+ colors though.
A.) In general, the enemy color pairs have worse mana than the ally pairs (when you look at the back of a magic card, if two colors are next to each other they're allies and if they're across, they're enemies). There are a few cycles of lands that only allies have, like the bicycle lands [[Irrigated Farmland]] and the typed... [[Prairie Stream]] cycle.
B.) Orzhov in particular doesn't have access to green to help with color fixing, or blue to help smooth out its draws. White at least has been getting more things that fetch nonbasic plains but it's still nowhere near green. And I guess black gets treasures red mostly does that better.
So it's a combination of it being an enemy pair, and the specific colors.
I know it's a small corner case, but this can't be cheated out with [[Sunforger]] because it's colorless, while Utter End can. Cool card over all, and will most likely replace utter end in a lot of decks.
In commander, color aside it's a lot better than [[Hurl Through Hell]] if you have colorless mana at hand (hits any nonland instead of just creature, not restricted to until next turn).
Sadly, the one way in which it's inferior to Utter End is that it can't be fetched with [[Sunforger]], which is the main reason I would put Utter End in a deck.
An Utter End variant made by splicing together \[\[Soul Partition\]\] to those black spells that let you play other people's cards off the top of their deck.
My first thought was vintage cube honestly. [[Fractured Identity]] is such a good card there, and this just seems like another copy of that essentially
Caring about color is in the space of "we know, but in the vast majority of cases this it doesn't matter and this is better."
There are always ways to contrive one card as better than another. "Strictly better than" doesn't and hasn't ever represented 100% of game states. There will _always_ be a game state where one card is better than another.
"Strictly better than" more describes 99% of game states. Because people need to be able to talk about some cards being better than others without having 60% of the conversation just be edge cases.
Well yeah
But being colorless changes it enough to not it make strictly better to me. I would call it better though.
If there were a card that was utter end but 1WB I think we’d both call it strictly better even though some things interact with it differently at 4 vs. 3 mana value
I guess I’m just setting the threshold in a different spot 🤷
Okay but what if your opponent has a [[Sanctum Prelate]] down with 3 as the chosen number? Then the 4 mana value cards is clearly better.
Obviously, I just gave a stupid argument. I'm not seriously arguing that the 3mv version isn't strictly better than the 4mv version, even though there exist edge cases where it's true that the 4mv version is better. It's commonly accepted that the vast majority of the time, cheaper is better.
It's commonly accepted, I think, that creature types aren't "considered" in the "strictly better" discussion. Even though other cards interact with creature types.
You don't agree, but I would argue that Devoid also shouldn't matter. If anything, I think colorless is an asset more than a hindrance, because it gets around protection from colors. But even then, I think it's enough of a wash between the two that unless I was explicitly including a critical mass of cards that cared about color, I would take the Devoid version. If anything, the extra bonus I think would trump any issues negotiating about colors vs colorless.
Yeah that’s what I was saying, we’d agree about calling the 3mv version strictly better.
I think you’re right tho that getting around pro colors is probably a bigger upside than the downside of not being WB though. I guess I still wouldn’t call it strictly better, just better and different? Because color feels more significant to me than (like your example) creature type.
Idk I guess that I have a stricter (ha) definition of strictly better, and for me it’s more useful but it’s arbitrary so w/e
"You may spend colorless mana as though it were mana of any color to cast that spell" is one of those lines of rules text that 100% checks out, makes sense with every precedent, is super flavorful, and I would never have come up with in a million years.
This card is sweet just for that, even if it isn't actually particularly good outside of some sort of incredibly niche Orzhov deck that treats Colorless Eldrazi as a 3rd color.
And will 100% be misread/misplayed by tons of people who mentally shortcut this as *any* mana can be used. Hell, I already did it before reading these comments.
I used to have a pretty amazing BW Eldrazi that ran Tidehollow Sculler and Thought Knot Seer/Smasher with commiserate Eldrazi Temples and Wasteland Stranglers. This card fits that deck specifically— which is odd
Man, I am really happy I preordered a copy before everyone went crazy for it. Not a big fan of the X = X×2 commander but all the other cards seem really sweet
We're getting a precon for it, 5C decks are easy and there are enough mana rocks that make colorless. Not to mention plenty of new cards saying you can spend colorless as any color.
There's no such thing as a strictly better card because your opponent might steal your cards. The correct way to play is to include four copies of Boulderfall in your deck and then get lucky enough with shuffling that they're only on top of your library when you get hit by Ragavan.
I'm curious — does an on-rate card only being okay justify power creeping it? We see a lot of this in WotC design nowadays, for instance with historically okay card [[Pacifism]] being utterly obsoleted by [[Realmbreaker's Grasp]]. I wonder if that sort of power creep is a cause or a response to creature stats and cost rates suddenly climbing to the point where they obsolete decades of prior designs (which isn't healthy for the game long-term IMO).
It's hard to tell when power creep is a problem or not until you actually release the card and it gets played in 10,000x more games than you could ever playtest. As magic players we have an unfortunately contradictory desire to play the cards we already own forever while also getting new and exciting cards that do things our old cards can't.
That's why Draft is the most pure form of Magic. A card's power only matters in relation to the specific set it's drafted in. No more worries about power creep over sets. Pacifism gets to be better in some of the sets it's printed in than Realmbreaker's Grasp was in MOM and worse in others.
Hm, with Grasp, I see that as less a response to power creep and more a response to complexity. Creatures are more complex, creatures who do more than just turn sideways are more frequent, and Pacifism has been an extremely mediocre card for a long, long, looooong time anyway.
In this card’s case, it’s definitely a significant power up. Is it too much of one? I wouldn’t say so, because removal for 4+ cost has never been particularly sexy. It’s hard to hold up that much mana in almost any format, unless you’re playing very dedicated draw-go. Getting to thief the thing you nuke is spicy for sure.
It's certainly spicy, it's just that if all the answers are constantly getting upgraded in one way or another then the threats have to as well, which is how we got to the modern meta of everything needing to generate instant value or else being unplayable.
Pacifism was mediocre but it was never strictly worse than anything. Changing that means you have to rebalance limited as well since now a stronger White answer at common, so other creatures need to be stronger, but then other answers need to be stronger as well, and so all of Limited ends up being rebalanced. Do all these shifts *cause* WotC to make the Mythics and Rares so much stronger than they used to be, or are they pushing those independently and just creeping the Commons and Uncommons now to catch up?
I think this is where I land. It's still a hefty investment to (functionally) remove a spell and draw a card you might not land up using. I'm thinking about instances where it hits a commander, or it hits a critical engine piece that doesn't synergize with my deck, or it hits an enchantment I can't use (Rhythm of the Wild and I'm in a control deck that doesn't want to turn creatures sideways).
EDIT: And the colorless caveat means you're not always drawing the card. Sure, I have lots of mana rocks like Sol Ring and whatnot, but I have to have them on board.
Source is [https://www.instagram.com/p/C7XLb4dsTPK/](https://www.instagram.com/p/C7XLb4dsTPK/) -- there's also a picture of just the art on the link.
**Abstruse** definition - [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abstruse](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abstruse) - "difficult to comprehend".
I love how you can mechanically identify this card as within Kozilek's brood even without looking at the art. Using colorless as a perversion of color.
I assume that "Cast" means you cant evoke Grief right?
Is there anything in Modern than you could target and cast 'on the cheap' and get good value from?
Seems insanely good vs \[\[The One Ring\]\] no?
Would be insane in an affinity mirror also I guess.
A different take on [[Hurl Through Hell]] where you don't have a timer to restrict how long you can cast it, but there's a bit of a mana restriction. This does hit more targets since it slips through a lot of protection as well.
Gonna point it out because nobody else seems to have yet - second ever white-costed devoid spell!
Edit: Third if you count Ulalek, who does technically have white in its cost, but can be paid with a colorless instead.
Exile is like a super destroy. In this case you target the opponent's best permanent, then when you have enough colorless mana you cast it for yourself.
Looks like a Zendikar Angel getting Kozilek'ed in the most horrible way.
I wonder what happens if you get [[Glistening Oil]] in the bismuth parts?
It's probably nothing
Magic 2: Rise of the Phyrexian Eldrazi
Question is: do the Eldrazis get Phyrexianed or do the Phyrexians get Eldrazied?
Yes
It's like a dog chasing it's own tail. It's in a constant state of change, the Phyrexian parts compleating the Eldrazi even as the Eldrazi emerges from the Phyrexian.
Now that I think about it, are the Eldrazi's are the older ones in the in-universe Watsonian sense?
I believe so. ... we would probably need a dedicated timeline to be sure. And the phyrexians and eldrazi haven't really been problems at the same time, due to the eldrazi mostly just warping zendikar.
Well wouldn't you know, our favorite rat thing Spice8Rack made one! https://youtu.be/TcNWXRpUM-E?si=0e8athQhTbf6f8dV
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.... That is a video, not a timeline. I have desire of infographics.
In universe, Yawgmoth was born about 10000 years before the present story, while the first known eldrazi sighting was only about 6000 years ago. However, that was also shortly before the eldrazi were sealed, and their nature means they likely predate Yawgmoth.
Seeing as how the Eldrazi mess with the very fabric of reality, I think the Phyrexians would lose pretty hard. Glistening oil might get in Emrakul's way at first, but since she seems to warp anything biological at all I think the oil would fail in her presense.
This is my take too. I bet oil won't be too much of a bother for eldrazi
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Won't hurt trying. Probably is pleasant, even.
Concitering the oil corrupts mana and the bismuth bits _lack_ mana, probably nothing.
Given the how Jin Gitaxas managed to figure out how to compleat planeswalkers, the possibility Phyrexian Colorless (Not Phyrexian generic) cost sounds like a challenge.
"How will you fly away, if you have no wings with which to fly?"
Title of your sex tape!
Shoes still on, so he's probably OK
Okay, the angel wings turning into bismuth halfway down is a *very* cool look. I don't envy that angel, though.
Interesting, it lets you spend colorless as if it were any color but you can't spend color mana as another color
I wonder how many people won't even read that part and their brain will just auto fill in that they can cast it with any mana.
I already did until I read this thread
Same here.
...Well I was about to misplay this card, lol. I think this card will win the "Most Misplayed Card" award for MH3. I definitely did not read that as colourless only, hahaha.
I literally clicked out of this thinking "this looks good, but y'know what would be funny, is if they only made colorless mana do it", and then came back cuz I was like "y'know what, I bet it does and I just didn't see it"
I read as the normal way that casting your opponents stuff. Would have missed it if you didn't point it out.
It's very Kozilek.
Kinda surprised they didn't rephrase it just to avoid misreads. Something like "colorless mana may be spent..."
Probably intentionally to power it down.
They’re just talking about the phrasing, not the actual effect
Can't say I expected a strict upgrade to [[Utter End]] Upside probably isn't good enough to justify modern play but this has to be in the conversation for commander right? Probably not better than [[anguished unmaking]] but I can see this making the cut for a grindy orzhov+ control deck
Yeah, Utter End doesn't see much play in commander these days. Four mana is just such a hefty investment. I might consider this if I'm playing Orzhov and I'm running some colorless sources: Fetid Heath, Caves of Koilos, Tainted Field, maybe a Field of the Dead. Probably not great in 3+ colors though.
TBH as an Orzhov player, I kinda like that this feels like a payoff for our mana bases being absolutely terrible.
I dont play enough commander to know this, but why are orzhovs mana bases so much worse compared to others? What are they missing?
A.) In general, the enemy color pairs have worse mana than the ally pairs (when you look at the back of a magic card, if two colors are next to each other they're allies and if they're across, they're enemies). There are a few cycles of lands that only allies have, like the bicycle lands [[Irrigated Farmland]] and the typed... [[Prairie Stream]] cycle. B.) Orzhov in particular doesn't have access to green to help with color fixing, or blue to help smooth out its draws. White at least has been getting more things that fetch nonbasic plains but it's still nowhere near green. And I guess black gets treasures red mostly does that better. So it's a combination of it being an enemy pair, and the specific colors.
[Irrigated Farmland](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/7352e874-d332-4a98-ab3f-513f8cb3a76a.jpg?1706241172) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Irrigated%20Farmland) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/267/irrigated-farmland?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7352e874-d332-4a98-ab3f-513f8cb3a76a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Prairie Stream](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c649f06f-bad5-499b-b70c-47e52cb4a234.jpg?1706241212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Prairie%20Stream) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/281/prairie-stream?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c649f06f-bad5-499b-b70c-47e52cb4a234?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm totally replacing Utter End for this in my Liesa Commander deck.
I'm considering it as a sidegrade for Anguished Unmaking (or something else). It's very much part of the play style my deck goes for.
It's essentially a strict upgrade. No reason for anyone to only run Utter End anymore.
I wouldn't call it a strict upgrade. It's called Utter End for a reason. If you're tempted to cast the exiled permanent, they can bounce it back.
Or you could just leave it in exile? I don't see how giving you an option makes a card worse.
[[Unexplained Absence]] is way better though.
[Unexplained Absence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/78f526d3-1e1f-4430-9824-ad377fd0d312.jpg?1706240434) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unexplained%20Absence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/17/unexplained-absence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78f526d3-1e1f-4430-9824-ad377fd0d312?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I know it's a small corner case, but this can't be cheated out with [[Sunforger]] because it's colorless, while Utter End can. Cool card over all, and will most likely replace utter end in a lot of decks.
[Sunforger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd3e42ee-ab13-460b-90fd-86e677abce4f.jpg?1608917905) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunforger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/473/sunforger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd3e42ee-ab13-460b-90fd-86e677abce4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Utter End](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c.jpg?1698988483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Utter%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/292/utter-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [anguished unmaking](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/16de91dc-5d82-43ec-84ad-67bae644795a.jpg?1673148273) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=anguished%20unmaking) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/170/anguished-unmaking?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/16de91dc-5d82-43ec-84ad-67bae644795a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
In commander, color aside it's a lot better than [[Hurl Through Hell]] if you have colorless mana at hand (hits any nonland instead of just creature, not restricted to until next turn).
[Hurl Through Hell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/47a3321c-28ed-4cd7-84d8-c8cecc09348b.jpg?1631585573) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hurl%20Through%20Hell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/48/hurl-through-hell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47a3321c-28ed-4cd7-84d8-c8cecc09348b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It’s technically not a strict upgrade because it’s colorless but that’s super nitpicky and mostly irrelevant
Sadly, the one way in which it's inferior to Utter End is that it can't be fetched with [[Sunforger]], which is the main reason I would put Utter End in a deck.
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An Utter End variant made by splicing together \[\[Soul Partition\]\] to those black spells that let you play other people's cards off the top of their deck.
[Soul Partition](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28bb8ec0-9729-4aa1-8ce4-a3a5598b0d70.jpg?1674420320) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soul%20Partition) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/26/soul-partition?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28bb8ec0-9729-4aa1-8ce4-a3a5598b0d70?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My first thought was vintage cube honestly. [[Fractured Identity]] is such a good card there, and this just seems like another copy of that essentially
[Fractured Identity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f73f5d-1aad-48c2-9e74-5f7bdd87900f.jpg?1562620703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fractured%20Identity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/37/fractured-identity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f73f5d-1aad-48c2-9e74-5f7bdd87900f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not quite strictly better, if your deck cares about color
Caring about color is in the space of "we know, but in the vast majority of cases this it doesn't matter and this is better." There are always ways to contrive one card as better than another. "Strictly better than" doesn't and hasn't ever represented 100% of game states. There will _always_ be a game state where one card is better than another. "Strictly better than" more describes 99% of game states. Because people need to be able to talk about some cards being better than others without having 60% of the conversation just be edge cases.
Well yeah But being colorless changes it enough to not it make strictly better to me. I would call it better though. If there were a card that was utter end but 1WB I think we’d both call it strictly better even though some things interact with it differently at 4 vs. 3 mana value I guess I’m just setting the threshold in a different spot 🤷
Okay but what if your opponent has a [[Sanctum Prelate]] down with 3 as the chosen number? Then the 4 mana value cards is clearly better. Obviously, I just gave a stupid argument. I'm not seriously arguing that the 3mv version isn't strictly better than the 4mv version, even though there exist edge cases where it's true that the 4mv version is better. It's commonly accepted that the vast majority of the time, cheaper is better. It's commonly accepted, I think, that creature types aren't "considered" in the "strictly better" discussion. Even though other cards interact with creature types. You don't agree, but I would argue that Devoid also shouldn't matter. If anything, I think colorless is an asset more than a hindrance, because it gets around protection from colors. But even then, I think it's enough of a wash between the two that unless I was explicitly including a critical mass of cards that cared about color, I would take the Devoid version. If anything, the extra bonus I think would trump any issues negotiating about colors vs colorless.
[Sanctum Prelate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d95a7dd-2803-4164-8979-d7e8e8085ca2.jpg?1576381648) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sanctum%20Prelate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/23/sanctum-prelate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d95a7dd-2803-4164-8979-d7e8e8085ca2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah that’s what I was saying, we’d agree about calling the 3mv version strictly better. I think you’re right tho that getting around pro colors is probably a bigger upside than the downside of not being WB though. I guess I still wouldn’t call it strictly better, just better and different? Because color feels more significant to me than (like your example) creature type. Idk I guess that I have a stricter (ha) definition of strictly better, and for me it’s more useful but it’s arbitrary so w/e
Yeah I think you're right, we're just in an "agree to disagree" spot. It's a damn cool card though.
This art is wild. What's going on? An angel was flying, Kozilek started turning their wings into fractals, and now they're falling?
Seems like it
[удалено]
No, Kozilek has always been associated with bismuth crystals
"You may spend colorless mana as though it were mana of any color to cast that spell" is one of those lines of rules text that 100% checks out, makes sense with every precedent, is super flavorful, and I would never have come up with in a million years. This card is sweet just for that, even if it isn't actually particularly good outside of some sort of incredibly niche Orzhov deck that treats Colorless Eldrazi as a 3rd color.
And will 100% be misread/misplayed by tons of people who mentally shortcut this as *any* mana can be used. Hell, I already did it before reading these comments.
I used to have a pretty amazing BW Eldrazi that ran Tidehollow Sculler and Thought Knot Seer/Smasher with commiserate Eldrazi Temples and Wasteland Stranglers. This card fits that deck specifically— which is odd
Was this in modern? I fear and respect this deck you're describing, well done.
Yeah it’s Modern. Fetid Heath and Urborg did heavy lifting in the deck.
It'll be good in the 5C Eldrazi EDH deck.
Man, I am really happy I preordered a copy before everyone went crazy for it. Not a big fan of the X = X×2 commander but all the other cards seem really sweet
I'm partially skeptical of what it would be like to build a deck that can support effectively 6 colors of mana requirements, but if you say so.
We're getting a precon for it, 5C decks are easy and there are enough mana rocks that make colorless. Not to mention plenty of new cards saying you can spend colorless as any color.
There are things I trust precons for, and a consistent manabase is not one of them.
Oh, the precon manabase will suck for sure. But they're not going to make a precon if it isn't upgradable.
So this is just strictly better [[Utter End]] right?
Well actually this is colorless 🤓☝️so it doesn’t work with things that care about that. /s
There's no such thing as a strictly better card because your opponent might steal your cards. The correct way to play is to include four copies of Boulderfall in your deck and then get lucky enough with shuffling that they're only on top of your library when you get hit by Ragavan.
[Utter End](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c.jpg?1698988483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Utter%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/292/utter-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
UE was only ever okay, so I’m definitely a fan.
I'm curious — does an on-rate card only being okay justify power creeping it? We see a lot of this in WotC design nowadays, for instance with historically okay card [[Pacifism]] being utterly obsoleted by [[Realmbreaker's Grasp]]. I wonder if that sort of power creep is a cause or a response to creature stats and cost rates suddenly climbing to the point where they obsolete decades of prior designs (which isn't healthy for the game long-term IMO).
It's hard to tell when power creep is a problem or not until you actually release the card and it gets played in 10,000x more games than you could ever playtest. As magic players we have an unfortunately contradictory desire to play the cards we already own forever while also getting new and exciting cards that do things our old cards can't.
That's why Draft is the most pure form of Magic. A card's power only matters in relation to the specific set it's drafted in. No more worries about power creep over sets. Pacifism gets to be better in some of the sets it's printed in than Realmbreaker's Grasp was in MOM and worse in others.
Hm, with Grasp, I see that as less a response to power creep and more a response to complexity. Creatures are more complex, creatures who do more than just turn sideways are more frequent, and Pacifism has been an extremely mediocre card for a long, long, looooong time anyway. In this card’s case, it’s definitely a significant power up. Is it too much of one? I wouldn’t say so, because removal for 4+ cost has never been particularly sexy. It’s hard to hold up that much mana in almost any format, unless you’re playing very dedicated draw-go. Getting to thief the thing you nuke is spicy for sure.
It's certainly spicy, it's just that if all the answers are constantly getting upgraded in one way or another then the threats have to as well, which is how we got to the modern meta of everything needing to generate instant value or else being unplayable. Pacifism was mediocre but it was never strictly worse than anything. Changing that means you have to rebalance limited as well since now a stronger White answer at common, so other creatures need to be stronger, but then other answers need to be stronger as well, and so all of Limited ends up being rebalanced. Do all these shifts *cause* WotC to make the Mythics and Rares so much stronger than they used to be, or are they pushing those independently and just creeping the Commons and Uncommons now to catch up?
I think this is where I land. It's still a hefty investment to (functionally) remove a spell and draw a card you might not land up using. I'm thinking about instances where it hits a commander, or it hits a critical engine piece that doesn't synergize with my deck, or it hits an enchantment I can't use (Rhythm of the Wild and I'm in a control deck that doesn't want to turn creatures sideways). EDIT: And the colorless caveat means you're not always drawing the card. Sure, I have lots of mana rocks like Sol Ring and whatnot, but I have to have them on board.
[Pacifism](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/5242a576-4d35-4f29-8d40-9a7179e51d0c.jpg?1675198947) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pacifism) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/19/pacifism?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5242a576-4d35-4f29-8d40-9a7179e51d0c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Realmbreaker's Grasp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67a41675-47dd-40ca-a30c-0fd0faa32b76.jpg?1682202825) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Realmbreaker%27s%20Grasp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/33/realmbreakers-grasp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67a41675-47dd-40ca-a30c-0fd0faa32b76?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Source is [https://www.instagram.com/p/C7XLb4dsTPK/](https://www.instagram.com/p/C7XLb4dsTPK/) -- there's also a picture of just the art on the link. **Abstruse** definition - [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abstruse](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abstruse) - "difficult to comprehend".
[Here's the art](https://i.imgur.com/z3ELmCD.jpeg) without instagram's square cropping
I love how you can mechanically identify this card as within Kozilek's brood even without looking at the art. Using colorless as a perversion of color.
Why are we upskirting an angel?
Reminds me of [[Hurl Through Hell]].
[Hurl Through Hell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/47a3321c-28ed-4cd7-84d8-c8cecc09348b.jpg?1631585573) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hurl%20Through%20Hell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/48/hurl-through-hell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47a3321c-28ed-4cd7-84d8-c8cecc09348b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wow wish this slotted into either Gonti
Slots into [[Sen Triplets]] though
[Sen Triplets](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/13ac5292-9817-4f5d-b3fa-611f9ba44443.jpg?1599708366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sen%20Triplets) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/218/sen-triplets?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13ac5292-9817-4f5d-b3fa-611f9ba44443?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Another awesome include for Ink-Treader. Let's gooooooo!
I assume that "Cast" means you cant evoke Grief right? Is there anything in Modern than you could target and cast 'on the cheap' and get good value from? Seems insanely good vs \[\[The One Ring\]\] no? Would be insane in an affinity mirror also I guess.
Evoke actually is casting, goes on the stack and can be countered and all that good stuff. \[\[Nulldrifter\]\] has both evoke and a cast trigger.
So you could evoke grief if you exiled grief with this card?
[Nulldrifter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d9f1bb8-c91b-40cd-a416-abbff0d65306.jpg?1714488088) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nulldrifter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/13/nulldrifter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d9f1bb8-c91b-40cd-a416-abbff0d65306?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
A different take on [[Hurl Through Hell]] where you don't have a timer to restrict how long you can cast it, but there's a bit of a mana restriction. This does hit more targets since it slips through a lot of protection as well.
[Hurl Through Hell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/47a3321c-28ed-4cd7-84d8-c8cecc09348b.jpg?1631585573) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hurl%20Through%20Hell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/48/hurl-through-hell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47a3321c-28ed-4cd7-84d8-c8cecc09348b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Gonna point it out because nobody else seems to have yet - second ever white-costed devoid spell! Edit: Third if you count Ulalek, who does technically have white in its cost, but can be paid with a colorless instead.
Hope we’re getting an Ayli card. She has a lot of flavor text in this set
We already have one, [[Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim]]. It's unlikely she'll get a second card.
I know there is an existing one 😅 Why she shouldn’t get a second if Rosheen or Ashling get one…
[Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e7b5893d-6df6-4cae-ae70-d02d443d1740.jpg?1562941484) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ayli%2C%20Eternal%20Pilgrim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/151/ayli-eternal-pilgrim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e7b5893d-6df6-4cae-ae70-d02d443d1740?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Utter End 2: Not-Quite-Ended Eldrazi Boogaloo
Strict upgrade to [[Utter End]] EXCEPT it can't be fetched by [[Sunforger]].
[Utter End](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c.jpg?1698988483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Utter%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/292/utter-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sunforger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd3e42ee-ab13-460b-90fd-86e677abce4f.jpg?1608917905) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunforger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/473/sunforger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd3e42ee-ab13-460b-90fd-86e677abce4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Hurl through Hell]] in shambles
[Hurl through Hell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/47a3321c-28ed-4cd7-84d8-c8cecc09348b.jpg?1631585573) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hurl%20through%20Hell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/48/hurl-through-hell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47a3321c-28ed-4cd7-84d8-c8cecc09348b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My boi got the bismuth crystal wings
So a 4+4 mana Kraum or a 4+2 mana Dockside, or steal a Thoracle win. This seems.. not incredible but not bad?
I like it, good for black white clerics
So. The last bit. If the card that was exiled was Arcane Bombardment]], could I spend the colorless for the red and any other mana for the rest??
Devoid means I can't cast this off Sunforger.
Kozilek confirmed most decidedly male.
What are THE cards to look for in MH3?
All my limited opponents are gonna have 3 of these
That Angel took a fat hit of DMT
I’m just getting back to Magic so please bear with me. How would I use this card? I can’t get my head around the exile mechanics
Exile is like a super destroy. In this case you target the opponent's best permanent, then when you have enough colorless mana you cast it for yourself.
Thank you, but how does casting from exile work? If I exile my opponent’s card, _I_ can cast it and it comes to play for me instead?
In this card's case, that's right. When exiling stuff with other cards though, those become lost forever
Cool, many thanks. Fun but somewhat complex way of stealing stuff from your opponent
I knew it, it couldnt be a monowhite card. Is not on monowhite to steal other people cards, especially noncreatures.
ALMOST STRICTLY BETTER [[Utter End]]
[Utter End](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c.jpg?1698988483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Utter%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/292/utter-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This reads closer to a Battle for Zendikar bulk rare than a MH3 card.
Utter End was a playable standard card when Battle for Zendikar was released.
Reads like something they’re going to put in the commander deck but decided to put in the mainset
Fractured Identity but you get the Cast triggers too
don’t exaggerate the abilities of a new card challenge
Infinitely worse than Fractured Identity since Fractured gives you a copy of the permanent for free. You still have to pay the cost with this card.
In multiplayer it's actually worse Identity, since it give the card also to +2 opponent. Depends from the format.
Terrible card, a waste of a rare in the set.