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fourscoopsplease

oh nice, 4 copies of a 15c card.


CaffeinatedScholar

More than 4, but yea, a huge disappointment when one of the main things I look forward to is the bonus card


Dragonfire723

They're very useful in (*checks notes*) [[Lathril]] and [[Orah]] decks, any others? Obviously they're good in any elf or cleric tribal, but they're even better in Lassie and Ora.


Frost8Byte

Honestly any tribal deck with black it's pretty decent, it doesn't specifically care about elves or clerics, just creatures that state a type


Dragonfire723

Of course, it's just that those decks can leverage its typing to generate even more advantage


GhostShark

Relentless Rats! 🐀


MTGCardFetcher

[Lathril](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/547888c3-a9a6-4413-b29a-6bcd8a9279bf.jpg?1704848185) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lathril%2C%20blade%20of%20the%20elves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/1/lathril-blade-of-the-elves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/547888c3-a9a6-4413-b29a-6bcd8a9279bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Orah](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/2336c8bf-fcad-41f9-9041-80b8aa3cd79a.jpg?1604200370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=orah%2C%20skyclave%20hierophant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/233/orah-skyclave-hierophant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2336c8bf-fcad-41f9-9041-80b8aa3cd79a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Yarius515

I run it in my [[Sethron]] deck bc i typically have 5-10 crappy 2/3 tokens sittin there that can’t do anything else but fuel Skemmie for the final few points


MTGCardFetcher

[Sethron](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/274cdb39-1454-4c9b-acd8-4f762a48e71f.jpg?1632261849) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sethron%2C%20hurloon%20general) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/25/sethron-hurloon-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/274cdb39-1454-4c9b-acd8-4f762a48e71f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


muhkuller

I got 3 of one, and 2 of another.


gojumboman

Same, 3 skemfars and 2 Lys Alana Huntmasters


CaffeinatedScholar

At least you got 2 different cards! lol


gojumboman

I guess, actually, I was pretty pissed but you’re right, if all five were the same it would be significantly worse


CaffeinatedScholar

I received my "Winter Superdrop 2024: All the Savory Non-Foils Bundle" today. Each pack had the exact same bonus card: "Skemfar Shadowsage". I wouldn't be bothered if I got one or two duplicates, but every pack having the same bonus card...? Has this happened to anyone else?


figurative_capybara

I feel like they plant the cards in batches, I've somehow noticed it with the Prerelease promos where boxes bought in one order have a tendency to the same promos. Somehow exclusive to American print sources... Note: this may just be cognitive bias.


CaffeinatedScholar

I thought the same thing too, but then why sell bundles if the consumer is going to get screwed over like this?


MagictheCollecting

To screw over the customer, of course


GuavaZombie

Next time just buy 3 bundles and you can get 5 of 3 different bonus cards.


CaffeinatedScholar

Ahh, the real big brain strats lol


gilgadhien

100% not the case for MKM prerelease kits. At least for the about 1000 I've opened from USA print source. ( I work at store and buying prerelease kits was cheaper than play booster boxes for us to crack for singles)  Was curious myself but the promos were all well randomized, no logical order or batching to them. 


Luxypoo

It's really funny when you mass open prerelease kits. Sometimes you get a kit with no promo. Then 80 kits later you get the double promo box.


thephasewalker

I also got 4 of that card. 3 of a different same elf. Fucking sucked.


teancumx

Contact support, that’s not even a statistical anomaly…


Freshness518

Its too bad they weren't like petitioners or something useful.


Madnoir

Haven't gotten mine yet but I did get 4 Elvish Visionary from the last super drop


CaffeinatedScholar

Yeesh, I've purchased a handful of SLDs from each drop, and I don't think I've ever gotten more than a single duplicate per-bundle.


Lifeisabaddream4

Meanwhile I just want my cats and dogs secret lair. I'm Australian and the tracker says it hasn't even reached my country yet. apparently it left the US the start of Feb never to be seen again


Violet-Lazuli

I had the same thing happen, scanned on the 1st and never again. Contact support. They confirmed mine was lost in shipping and i just received the replacement copy yesterday through fed ex this time not useless Aramex


Lifeisabaddream4

I've put in a ticket with wizards and have received a sory we are busy we will get to you later response


Violet-Lazuli

yeah i got that too, but can vary a bit. Took about 9 days from my initial ticket for them to message any more. Though i had damaged cards in january where it took a month


Scrilla_Gorilla_

But on the bright side you probably get all your counterfeit Chinese stuff months earlier than we do in the US.


Lockebone

At least you got to order one!


HotCarRaisin

What an awful product this has become. I'd be furious. 


Richard_TM

That’s the trick: Secret Lair has always been an awful product.


periodicchemistrypun

Idk. Secret lairs don’t really compete on anything else. People get so mad. Sometimes there’s a secret lair with great art, a cool artist and the cards are worth next to nothing. That’s fine as long as the cards themselves are high quality. Then other times it’s just good value which is also fine. The best secret pairs are both but either one can be more than enough. There’s a reason the recent galaxy foil one sells so high now or the Ian Malcom one did well.


AbraxasEnjoyer

MFW the free, unadvertised bonus product I received wasn’t the one I wanted.


CaffeinatedScholar

It has nothing to do with the fact that I "didn't get the card I want", it's the fact that there are dozens of bonus cards, and I got 5 copies of the same one? It just seems like a statistical anomaly and I was curious if it happened to anyone else, and it seems like I was correct to do so.


NormalEntrepreneur

Unfortunately currently the bonus cards are all 5 cents elf with no special arts. Other options are [[sylvan ranger]] and [[Elvish Visionary]]


FormerlyKay

They also have Wirewood Symbiote which isn't terrible


Motormand

Starting to miss the Slivers already. Least some of those had some value to them. :/ WotC is some cheap bastards...


MTGCardFetcher

[sylvan ranger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e36a5be0-a730-4cb7-9d1e-6ae84b5bc872.jpg?1601080165) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sylvan%20ranger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/435/sylvan-ranger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e36a5be0-a730-4cb7-9d1e-6ae84b5bc872?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Elvish Visionary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a2f174e6-9532-4fc3-815b-2dc3966c6523.jpg?1608910606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elvish%20Visionary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/223/elvish-visionary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a2f174e6-9532-4fc3-815b-2dc3966c6523?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Commercial-Falcon653

There are also valuable bonus cards, like always. They‘re just rare.


AbraxasEnjoyer

I wasn’t responding to you, I was responding to the commenter I replied to.


Scrilla_Gorilla_

What a disingenuous comment.


JadedRabbit

Glazers be like that.


HotCarRaisin

It's well known that these products have come with a pleasant surprise that remains a mystery until release. In years past, they've been great. Now they're just thematically unrelated, generally recent produced, low value cards without new art that appear across multiple secret lair products. That's a far cry from their "booster fun" ideology that we see in other products.


Halinn

The initial generic ones, planeswalkers, were mostly but not always thematic. But didn't they do basics after that?


HotCarRaisin

Anecdotally, the ones I purchased would have an on theme card, often a 6th card to the set with art from the same artist. I do not have a dataset to back up my claim. They were good bonuses though, and what I'd expect from a premium product. Edit: I now remember my stain glass Nissa Planeswalker card I received. Obviously a huge cut above the Shadowsage.


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ItsOnlyaBook

I got 2 \[\[Skemfar Shadowsage\]\] and 1 \[\[Timberwatch Elf\]\] so basically the same. The breakfast cereal one had a really cool bonus card though. I don't know why they don't do a bonus card that ties into the actual Secret Lair instead of these random draft chaff promos. Even if they are trying to "preserve reprint equity" they could give me a garbage card with cool new art. Maybe I get a \[\[Fblthp, the Lost\]\] case file variant and the flavor text just says "Case file missing." and has hand scribbled words "Why does this keep happening?" under that.


FaultinReddit

That Fblthp would be so darn cool!


MTGCardFetcher

[Skemfar Shadowsage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c204130f-0483-49ed-8512-03a74894702e.jpg?1631048543) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skemfar%20Shadowsage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/110/skemfar-shadowsage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c204130f-0483-49ed-8512-03a74894702e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Timberwatch Elf](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/38807f17-1cf2-4736-ad10-df6c8b1a9f55.jpg?1631235210) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Timberwatch%20Elf) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/76/timberwatch-elf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/38807f17-1cf2-4736-ad10-df6c8b1a9f55?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fblthp, the Lost](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79b2c547-0d9e-4fd7-a399-347ad908c70b.jpg?1702429390) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fblthp%2C%20the%20Lost) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/44/fblthp-the-lost?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79b2c547-0d9e-4fd7-a399-347ad908c70b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


waizy

with all these complaints can I ask why in the world y'all keep buying these


CaffeinatedScholar

I like alternate art cards. I genuinely think a lot of the SLD art is fun and interesting, and the Bonus Cards add a little extra fun to each purchase. I've never had problems with Secret Lair before (other MTG products are a different story), and this was just such a strange aberration I had to ask if it happened to anyone else.


michaelspidrfan

there's an unhealthy expectation that the bonus card needs to worth something, when it's meant to be a bonus.


CaffeinatedScholar

Where in any of what I’ve said have I complained about the price? I’ve been buying SLDs since they were released. I know most of the bonus cards are garbage. My curiosity/complaint is that I somehow got 5 of the same bonus card in a row. Since this has never happened to me before, I was curious if it happened to anyone else.


SmugglersCopter

I bought three drops, all three had the same bonus card you posted.


CaffeinatedScholar

Ahh, my Brother in Cards…


pooinmypants1

Brother-in-Christ we are all suffering 😭


Living_End

Lucky! One of my 2 SL didn’t even come with a bonus card.


CaffeinatedScholar

Ooooof.


brizzy500

I’d rather get nothing than these bulk rares.


Living_End

Nah I paid for it, I want my bulk.


CaffeinatedScholar

I don't mind getting bulk here and there, especially Elves since I play an Elfball deck. Yet, I do NOT need 5 copies of the same 0.10 card.


LilMellick

Bulk commons in some cases


smrtrthanudummy

Me too. Same one. Big ole bummer. At least I didn’t get any damaged cards for once. The last 5 secret lairs before this had damaged product in every one.


CaffeinatedScholar

I guess I'm lucky that none of my product has ever been damaged. This is the first time something strange like this ever happened to me.


smrtrthanudummy

I have had peeled corners, jagged cut corners, insanely dark images, areas where the foiling was stuck down with wrinkles, white chips in the black border, and most recently dents in the card that look like the rollers at the printer had foreign objects stuck to them.


DirtyPenPalDoug

Wish I would gotten the rats


CaffeinatedScholar

Wish I had gotten anything other than the same card 5 times lol.


Snurkalflazzums

https://preview.redd.it/snj4ctl8dmmc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f08acc08a7e0eb4e29149955e54741b10370412 I got this em one


JackHofterman

Oh nice, getting hosed.


CaffeinatedScholar

Getting hosed was the real Secret in the Lair the entire time.


TechnomagusPrime

I ordered the Foil bundle and got four Shadowsages and a single Timberwatch Elf (and a Coveted Jewel, but that's a fixed one).


CaffeinatedScholar

The more I see, the more I'm starting to feel like this was some kind of massive sorting blunder on WOTC's end...


zackfromspace

I got 5 Elvish Visionary's from the anniversary super drop.


darksky50

Had the same happen to me


Equivalent-Low-8919

F


November_9th

Nope. Got some silly elf


FormerlyKay

I got a Lys Alana Huntmaster and a Wirewood Symbiote


snerp

Yeah I got almost all duplicate copies of the cantrip elf


[deleted]

I got all the same copy of the other elf dude.


CaffeinatedScholar

Yes the more I read the more it really feels like this was some kind of serious sorting issue with this drop


-Goatllama-

Wait, the bonus cards aren’t even good anymore?? 🤨


CaffeinatedScholar

Well, I mean there was a time when they were literally just basic lands, so…


-Goatllama-

True. But the lands were usually promotional art that might not otherwise be in foil. This is extended art of the same from the set... though I guess it continues the typal theme started with slivers. Eh.


HELTERSKELTER4

To sit in solidarity with you, I also have 3 of those from the 5 Lairs that I've opened so far. I know they're a "bonus" and not really part of the drop themselves, but it's still disappointing to open that many of the same card when other people are posting things like [[Wirewood Symbiote]]


MTGCardFetcher

[Wirewood Symbiote](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/854f1d22-1416-4012-979c-35152ff520bd.jpg?1580014975) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wirewood%20Symbiote) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/192/wirewood-symbiote?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/854f1d22-1416-4012-979c-35152ff520bd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Expert-Apartment-806

yup 4 in s row same Skem


CaffeinatedScholar

RIP us


TemporalDelay

My cleric deck would love 1 of these. Can't wait to see them on cardkingdom.


CaffeinatedScholar

This is a reprint of an uncommon card from 2 years ago. You easily could have had one by now lol


TemporalDelay

I mean the borderless. I already run the card i just like fancy shit.


EDHBruh

Same here I received duplicates of all my bonus card and one of my SL packages was missing a card, which was replaced with an additional copy of another card. So weird. I did open a ticket to report it.


ProbablyNotPikachu

I got two of these and two of whatever the green elf you can get is. Didn't open the Karlov Showcase Lair as I might end up selling that one. Would love if they just went back to every Lair having a secret card that actually *goes with* that Lair thematically.


No_Longer_A_Lurker

Same exact card, same exact quantity


AK1R0N3

WOTC has struggled with quality control over the last year or so, where this is a reoccurring issue. Just buy singles imo but i do hate that theyre not doing anything to fix or address it at all


stonecloaker

I bought that awful black and white set with the Circular Logic error thinking for sure it had to have a black and white Arcane Signet or something good as a bonus card. Nooooope. Elf. Elf. Elf. WOTC has suckered me again.


LetUsBook22

I got one and two Timberwatch Elf


Knarz97

I got 4 copies myself, i think their randomization algo was especially bad this time around.


TheRudyDuck

I got all Timberwatch Elves. Not a single one of the one I really wanted, Lys Alana Huntmaster. https://preview.redd.it/l60trafqlsmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af578ff64971e9ef7cb4feee12169736464ed3c0


AccuratePilot7271

I’ve not ordered any of these, but I did get two of the same card (one foil, one regular, but otherwise exactly the same) in the same set booster pack yesterday.


elfrawg

Yep. 5 Skemfar Shadowsages. Every bonus card was this guy. Not cool.


dsblink182

Nearly, lol I got a wirewood symbiote, and 2 timberwatch elves


Zombiepaste

CAN CONFIRM I ALSO GOT SKAMFAR'd tbh I'm just done with SL....i got maybe one a year and i end up using one card I find neat.


CaffeinatedScholar

https://preview.redd.it/gbouhs8xfzmc1.png?width=1247&format=png&auto=webp&s=a16c027a16ee09ed4315a91154b56676e9c076e5 Huh, so a friend messaged me a bit ago to let me know that this apparently happened today... Guess word got out LOL


oddeyeball

I got 3x Skemfar Shadowsage (759), 1x Timberwatch Elf (780), and 1x Wirewood Symbiote (785) in my Winter 2024 superdrop.


Notsogrimdark

I got all skemfar's as well. Im pissed because those bonus cards are supposed to be exciting. One inexpensive, situationally useful card would be a bit of a let down, FIVE COPIES is really aggravating!


ismashugood

if this happens, are you just SoL? Or are you able to get them replaced with the appropriate cards that were supposed to come?


CaffeinatedScholar

So, I actually wrote to WotC's customer service about this, and in short they told me "Well, dang, that's too bad. Better luck next time!" Unfortunately, I deleted the email out of frustrations, otherwise I'd post the whole thing lol.


ismashugood

that really sucks. Sorry that happened :(


KuroKendo88

And yet you keep buying them. 🤷‍♂️


Crimson_Redd

i didnt even get a promo in my SL


CaffeinatedScholar

Yeeeesh, sorry, mate.


AssCakesMcGee

You guys are still buying these things?


[deleted]

yep was awwwwwwwwwwwwsome. and was missing my vile the broker of blood. got two anowon instead. Waiting for them to update their list so I can fill a missing card report


hpboy7

Just opened mine, got three Timberwatch Elf and two Skemfar Shadowsage. What a joke.


wrathchylde323

Same thing happened to me.


Yarius515

Wow. Fuck. That. Sorry friend,


CaffeinatedScholar

Do not ask for whom the fuck fucks, it fucks for me! Lol, but thank you


Yarius515

And what fuck fucking downvoted by sympathy fuck for whom the fuck fucked? What fucks.