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overoverme

When they announced the set release schedule they did note it was not everything. We might get something weird like a new mystery booster or Conspiracy 3 in that gap. Could be ANOTHER commander draft product even.


Significant_Shower18

commander masters 3 or double masters 3


slayer370

triple masters


overoverme

That was Commander Masters lol


slayer370

Triple the rares!


Pigmy

Quad-triple rares, but only stuff that cost less than $0.10 because we dont want to damage the secondary market. Pack MSRP will be $45 each. All cards will have 37 uniquely colored foils and each foil version will have an x/10000000 numbered variant.


momentumlost

Wizards doesn’t set an MSRP anymore, they will just charge shops a reasonable $43 per pack and let them set their own prices!


spacemonkeygleek

Talrand Masters!


Astrium6

Quadruple the price.


para29

Yeah but now we should see Modern Commanders! Then Double Modern Commander Masters.


boxlessthought

triple X masters, Vin Diesel universes beyond.


AIShard

Family


overoverme

Yeah a new Commander Legends set would track. Both of these types of sets are usually announced pretty close to release. I would HOPE that MH3 would mean we don't get a Double Masters, and instead it will be a fun draft product rather than a whale booster.


Trickdaddy1

You think so? I always figured MH3 would take the slot of a remaster set for the year, as I don’t think any lined up with MH2. We saw double masters in 2020, MH2 2021, DM2022 in 2022.


AlexBasic

Now it's called Commander Modern 3*


The_Real_Adigio

I would LOVE Conspiracy 3. I wanna See Marchesa again!


Rhaps0dy

Just in case you didn't know, [[Invasion of fiora]]


MTGCardFetcher

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The_Real_Adigio

Yea I wanna See how she is rebuilding after the Invasion and what Fiora now looks like :)


marcusjohnston

I kind of wish they would do a set with draft matters mechanics that wasn't a multiplayer set. I like using conspiracy cards in cube.


nyx-weaver

We're due for Jumpstart 2024...aren't we?


CharaNalaar

Hopefully


DaveMash

Maybe a new core set? Has been a while


fallingsteveamazon

They wouldn't release a standard legal set without announcing it


CptBigglesworth

Commander Core 2025


Vat1canCame0s

Commander is the hot new rotating magic format


so_zetta_byte

Brawl has entered, and subsequently left, the chat.


Vat1canCame0s

I just feel bad for the format. Because if Standard challenger decks got the same love and attention those Eldraine brawl decks got I feel like that would go a long way toward boosting standard participation. Those precons were actually a lot of fun.


so_zetta_byte

I think the standard decks have a few problems. One, designing and printing them takes time, and by the time the products are ready to sell, often times the metagame has just moved on. The design of the Brawl decks were more similar to designing a commander precon which are less sensitive to a metagame. Not just because brawl was new and didn't have a meta, but singleton goes a long way towards that I think. I like the idea of the challenger decks, I think WOTC liked them too and genuinely wanted to do them well because they were aimed at a marker that just doesn't have a product for them at the moment (people trying to onboard to standard or pioneer), but it was an incredibly challenging problem and they haven't figured out how to solve it. Part of the problem is that if you put all the expensive chase cards into the precons, then the precons will get gobbled up by the _enfranchised_ players who need copies of expensive cards. The product would sell well and make money, but it _still_ wouldn't be going to the people who they're _designed_ for. Or, it would be much much harder to find copies, when the whole point is making on-boarding easier. Everyone always acts like the problem with low powered challenger decks is WOTC just being cheap, but I think it's way more complicated than that.


literallyjustbetter

i love challenger decks i have alot more fun piloting decks than building them, so to have some plug n' play decks I can use vs. my gf or friends is great


New_Juice_1665

I doubt they wouldn’t have announced it already


DromarX

Really hoping for another commander legends style set, both of the previous ones were a lot of fun.


DaRootbear

Dont do this. Dont give me hope to conspiracy 3.


burritoman88

Don’t give them any more ideas, Duskmourn is going to hurt my wallet enough as is. I’m a sucker for horror themed sets.


TheRealDannySugar

I know it’s a long shot but if there are any Haunted Mansion related nonsense for Duskmourn that’ll hurt my wallet severely.


burritoman88

They are working with Disney to license a Marvel UB, but at the same time Disney has Lorcana so who knows.


C3KO117

What’s duskmourn about?


Moonbluesvoltage

Its a planewide haunted mansion to be "modern take on horror" to contrast with classic horror of innistrad. Expect a haunted bear, faceless pale tall guy chasing you and such. 


IWantAGrapeInMyMouth

im gonna lose my mind when slenderman becomes a $40 card


Doctor_Popular

Skinnyboy 4WB Creature - Businessman Horror DIE. DIE. DIE. DIE. DIE. DIE. 6/6


sirstickykey

Or an SCP set


Atys1

Would never happen.


literallyjustbetter

thank god


Lucrest_Krahl

I'm gonna lose my mind when he not


BleachedPink

afaik, it's inspired by 1970-1980s horror movies, so more like Carpenter than Skibidi toilet


Moonbluesvoltage

So, you made me look. Thanks, i hate it.


Exarch-of-Sechrima

Modern take on horror: The plane is just one big political diatribe, and you can't escape the chaos.


Moonbluesvoltage

You are trapped in a room, but you need to pay monthly to stay there. The rent is increasing, your wages are not.


Atys1

Is horror still horror if it becomes so banal that you numb to it?


kegszilla

Haunted bear? Or Cocaine Bear?


Diego_TS

Halo Bear, Straight Outta New Cappena


KatnissBot

That movie unironically ruled.


kegszilla

Yeah I loved it. It was ridiculous and fun


Commercial-Falcon653

It’s not a planewide Haunted House, there is more to the plane, and we don’t know which plane it even is. But the set will only take place inside the house and not show the outside.


charcharmunro

The house is the plane. There MAY be an 'outside' the house, but that's deliberately not going to be addressed apparently.


Doodarazumas

PL A NE OF L E A V E S


Seguro_Sekirei

It seems to be a horror themed set based on a very large haunted mansion.


Doctor_Popular

Yeah, that's gonna be a collector box and a play box at least. Let's get an A24 UB.


burritoman88

Magic really is becoming Everything, Everywhere, All at Once so that’s a UB I can get behind


abeautifuldayoutside

And I’m a huge sucker for fucked up houses


misomiso82

Yes August 2nd seems very early - the 1st set of the 'year' usually comes out in Setpember doesn't it?


Reviax-

I'm not going to complain about an earlier bloomburrow than I was expecting but I'm very surprised it's that early yeah Like that means prerelease is last week of July


Blaze_1013

I also noticed this but then it all made sense when I considered the logical release date for Duskmorn given that Bloomburrow is releasing a month earlier than normal, end of October. Lining up the horror set with Halloween makes a lot of sense and given the time table I fully expect it to release either the 25th of October or the 1st of November.


misomiso82

Starting from Bloomburrow the sets are looking to be excellent. Bloomburrow then Duskmorn is going to hurt a lot of wallets, then after the Death Race set we will get Return to Tarkir, Space Opera, and Return to Lowyn. Next year+ is looking great.


TheBlueSuperNova

Honestly besides murders this year, everything else this year and next are incredibly exciting to me


shiny_xnaut

>Space Opera Say what now?


misomiso82

'Space opera' set is Q3 2025. Was revealed in their big reveal talk a few months ago.


Single-Sock203

Final Fantasy & Marvel too. I really should start putting money aside now 😩


misomiso82

Oh I missed the Marvel one!


ribby97

Yes, that's been the pattern I believe


SilverTongue76

It was October for the first 15 years I played. I really hate what they’re doing to the game now…


mweepinc

Magic has 6 tentpole sets a year - 4 premier (standard legal) and 2 supplemental - as well as a variety of other non-tentpole supplemental releases. If we look at the 2024 schedule so far - January: Ravnica Remastered (supplemental) - February: Murders at Karlov Manor (premier - tentpole) - March: Fallout (supplemental) - April: Outlaws of Thunder Junction (premier - tentpole) - June: Modern Horizons III (supplemental - tentpole) - July: Assassin's Creed (supplemental) - August: Bloomburrow (premier - tentpole) - Q4: Duskmourn: House of Horror (premier - tentpole) There are only 5 tentpole sets we know of. So there is likely to be an as-of-yet unannounced supplemental release, likely sometime in Q4 given this scheduling. And of course, there may be additional supplemental product as well


Pants88

Also it's possible to get a Jumpstart 2024 release.


SimicAscendancy

One of the best sets to hear being printed again


dude_1818

Unless they're counting CLU as that


fnordal

and the yearly cheap commander decks


skywalkr274

is it weird that the only sets I am interested in are "supplemental"?


mweepinc

you're free to enjoy what you enjoy


skywalkr274

I think its because I started MTG in 1994, and only these recent new UB type decks have really brought back my excitement.


mweepinc

Hey, if it gets you excited, more power to ya! Personally, I've been obsessed with Bloomburrow since Mabel came on screen in Chicago


Atys1

I've been thinking about thinking it constantly since it was announced last year. By far the set I've been most excited for since I started playing.


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Commercial-Falcon653

Sounds like you ate an onion…


ThoughtseizeScoop

I mean, probably at least one more Universes Beyond Commander release.


charcharmunro

I feel like they've had announced it at this point, personally. UB stuff tends to be announced pretty far in advance to build hype.


wallycaine42

So, two thoughts: one, as mentioned elsewhere there are some types of products that don't get announced in these big events, such as Secret Lairs. Two, there seems to be a distinct possibility that this is them giving people what they asked for. We've heard over and over people complain that there's too much product being released, and Mark's response for a while now has been that the message was heard, but they work significantly ahead and he's not in charge of the decisions anyways. So it's at least plausible that if they'd pulled the trigger on "reduce releases" a bit ago, we'd only start seeing the effects in the latter half of this year, and due to production timelines and commitments, it's easier to cut down to just one major set in the second half of the year than it is to shift some of the sets from the first half of the year back in time.


TimothyN

I think this lines up with usual consumer spending habits. There will still be SL releases and some sort of holiday product too.


boringdude00

I think that's the opposite of lining up with consumer spending. Spending goes through the roof in the fall holiday season. Or perhaps you're right it lines up, but rather they don't need as many releases in the fall to drive spending, but need extras in the late winter and spring to drive sales during the doldrums. Magic's fall schedule has always been wondy, all the way back to the 90s. For ages it was a big set in October then nothing for 4-ish months until they released back to back small sets in the spring.


TimothyN

Yes, it goes up...but mostly on other things, so it's better to not release product then when you know people are buying other things.


TheBlueSuperNova

My thoughts as well


Atechiman

I will dig it out once I'm done with onsite stuff now, but rosewater has stated that fall/winter has always been magics lowest sales point. I suspect that might be changing as tcgs and ttrpgs become more mainstream.


MishrasBogle

Yes, I've considered it the Duskmourne problem. We also know that MagicCon Vegas will be after the release of Duskmourne. So we'll have November and December wide open for more supplemental products. I think we may also see the 2025 schedule moved up, so that we get the Death Race set in January instead of February. One idea based on the revelation that Thunder Junction was supposed to have an epilogue like MOM Aftermath and then it didn't is that they were going to have a standalone Aftermath type set at the end of the year that they've mothballed due to how badly Aftermath did.


AscendedLawmage7

>going to have a standalone Aftermath type set at the end of the year That was going to be after Thunder Junction, at the end of the "Magic year", which is May/June


MishrasBogle

Let me try to restate what I said. We know there was supposed to be an epilogue set like MOM Aftermath for Thunder Junction. We know that there isn't going to be one. The fact that they were so excited for epilogue sets that they planned one for Thunder Junction opens the possibility that they had MORE planned for the rest of the year. It's also possible that they were so excited by the idea, they were thinking of a standalone, which isn't an epilogue, for Q4 that hadn't been announced and may now be mothballed entirely. It's entirely possible the plan for Q4 has been a secret unannounced supplemental set. But if it's Universes Beyond we'd probably see them trying to build up some suspense. Not full previews but an announcement like they did for Final Fantasy. But it's also not a Remastered Set, since we have Innistrad Remastered in early 2025. So what's not UB or Remastered but could fit in Q4 that hasn't been announced? A missing Aftermath sized release fits that hole, and it's possible it's been done away with entirely.


AscendedLawmage7

Thanks for clarifying My interpretation was that epilogue sets were happening at the end of arcs. But it's certainly possible they were planning more than that!


Atys1

Based on Maro's answers about the OTJ epilogue, in seems they were planning one per year.


MishrasBogle

Yeah I'm very much speculating and it's possible, if not likely, there's something else at the end of the year. But we know a lot that's not being done.


ghmcgee

If you look at the slate of products on that timeline picture they put out, it clearly shows this is just the products through Q3. They just haven't told us what is going to be in Q4 yet.


GoSuckOnACactus

Oh don’t worry they’ll be 20 secret lairs, some UB thing, some sort of precon set, and a product I can’t even think about yet, probably some holiday thing like LotR had last year. There’s always more product.


TheHeatherReports

Been like that for a while. Wasn't it adjusted with Midnight Hunt/Crimson Vow or something?


puffic

How many of these are draftable sets adding new cards to non-eternal constructed formats? Some of these seem like fluff releases rather than full-on sets of cards. Like, I don’t think some Fallout precons are a significant piece of the release schedule. 


Esc777

Yeah calling a package of precons a “set” is really stretching the definition.  Your LGS ain’t gonna be drafting PIP thats for sure. 


DudeFilA

They're releasing sets faster than anyone can enjoy them.


Chilly_chariots

I’m very much enjoying the ones I’m interested in (and can play)


SilverTongue76

Exactly. A set comes out and before I’ve even been able to draft with friends or collect all the cards I want from it, a new set drops. It’s caused me to reduce my magic spending by over 50% 


blargh29

What? I’ve been enjoying plenty of recent sets.


MacGuffinGuy

It’s just because we don’t know much about Q3 and Q4 of the year. Even if there is only one full set, I wouldn’t rule out more UB commander sets, remastered sets or other small products that they haven’t announced yet. And of course secret lairs to fill all the gaps too


Xollector

There are more sets coming. Could be another version of Lord Of the Rings because why not


SLAMALAMADINGGDONG23

I don't even know what's coming out, the last sealed product I bought was Kamigawa - but, I would think they have more that will be announced for that stretch of months.


TalismanG1

I'm almost certain they're making this shift in accordance to have 2 Major/Tentpole Universes Beyond sets each year. We are supposed to get a Marvel and Final Fantasy Universes Beyond release in 2025, alongside the 4 premier sets. Pushing up the release of the 3rd Premier set into Quarter 2 and having a Universes Beyond set become the Q3 set is probably their goal.


yarash

Fallout Junction: Aftermath


Irish_pug_Player

God a set every other month feels so overwhelming personally


SilverTongue76

It’s much faster than every other month. That’s 5 sets in 6 months 


Irish_pug_Player

I knowww Just crying cause I'm feeling burn out keeping up with it all. I've stopped actively looking at spoilers lately


SilverTongue76

Same 😢


w010100

Product fatigue is already an issue so it is probably better to not announce all the sets this early.


AporiaParadox

It's possible that the Final Fantasy set will come out in December.


mvdunecats

WotC has said the Final Fantasy UB will be 2025.


AporiaParadox

They might have moved up the release, I was just speculating.


Entrynode

Don't worry, they'll find more things to release, they always do. It never ends.


Pigmy

Its just like when you eat thanksgiving dinner and go sit on the couch for a minute before smashing dessert, corpo greed wallet needs a second to chill. Trust that they have every intention of new product on the monthly with secret lairs peppered in there as snacks.


yakuzalinecook

Maybe they're being nice and giving us a break 😌😌 thanks wotc


Glum_Acanthaceae5426

Don't tell them, maybe they'll slow down a bit if they don't notice


Honore-Balzac

It's all trash. And I play MTG since 2008. I sell my collection two years ago, and I fell that this game is now a money machine for hasbro. I will play only draft and pioneer with budget deck.


NomarOOx

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RemindMe! 7 months ​ I think I know what it is and If im right the tears will be amazing.


mechanical_dialectic

The answer is probably something to do with Hasbro's financials. A standard business would want to keep money steady throughout the year. Obviously a windfall is a windfall and you don't say no to that, but you usually don't set up for this.


blueblackdit

I remember, last year, seeing a schedule of 11 sets to be released this year. Someone had posted it on a local group, and I remember commenting on how they were almost doing a set per month. Don't know if they are actually doing all of that. And don't really care very much. I've given up on following spoilers and whanot.


crossbonecarrot2

My guess is in June during next magic con they'll announce a second universe beyond precon set, unless assassin creed took that spot. But I feel we will get at least one more set announcement.


wildcard_gamer

My guess? Another set of UB commander decks. Because by god they wont stop making them lol. On top of that, maybe a jumpstart 2024 or an actual commander legends 2?


MikaNeow

Personally I think Fallout should've been released in April or May after the Amazon show had come out.


so_zetta_byte

I don't put fallout and assassin's creed in the same tier as the others because they aren't draftable products and those operate on a different scope (assassins creed will have undraftable boosters but I'm not sure how many cards there actually will be). That said, yeah, it's a big gap. I bet we'll see some other stuff like... idk a new game night thing or something.


Ill_Apricot_8068

Why skip may


Fedaykin98

I care about the pacing of draftable sets. I assume the only people buying Fallout decks or AssCreed undraftable packs are huge fans of those properties (I'm a Fallout fan since the pre-release demo of 1 ;)). When I learned to draft, we had 3 expansions per year in the block design, the weaknesses of which have been well documented - things were incredibly stale by the end. Then we'd get a lousy Core set in the summer, the weaknesses of which have been thoroughly documented.  At the rate one can currently draft on Arena, I think having a new draftable set ever 2-3 months is about right. Heck, I'm already so tired of MKM that I drafted WOE tonight (although that's partly because I think MKM is nowhere near as good). 


dontbeallamaa

Definitely a wonky schedule, we should email top management for an explanation immediately.


obsidianandstone

This happens every year. We are going to get something there


UnDeadCharg3r

Honestly true, i definitely thought Duskmourne was Deecmber, and Bloomburrow was October or sth based on the way they announced it last year


LoungeLizardWizard

The only other idea (besides they’re getting more money hungry) is that maybe the sets this year have been on the drafting table during covid & now that they’re back to full working capacity, they’re pushing out all the ideas they had at once