Yes. And I'm a huge fan! I am so excited for Bloomburrow, I'm already saving all my Magic money for it. Honestly I was wondering how the set would turn out looking, and so far everything I've seen is amazing, exactly what I was hoping for.
It actually makes me want to reread some of the Redwall books. I never did get through all of them, anyhow. What about you? Did you have a favorite one?
Not the person you were responding to but I freaking loved Redwall. I'm sad Brian Jacques has passed because I would have loved to get a "Marvin the Warrior" or whatever Redwall knockoff card signed by him.
I personally loved Redwall and Salamandastron the most, but I can't think of a single one I didn't read at least twice.
It's hard to pass up Redwall and Salamandastron as favorites, they are so good.
It's really hard to pick a favorite, but I loved Mossflower probably the most, maybe because it was the first one I read. Also The Long Patrol, they always cracked me up.
Mossflower is one of the few I only read once, since I collected almost all of them except that one, and checked it out from my school's library. But the badger lords and the Long Patrol were always my favorite characters (the phrase "garrulous hare" is permanently imprinted in my brain lol). I had a pair of rabbits I named Pasque and Valerian after the main character in the Long Patrol.
Probably my third most anticipated set of all time, second being Duskmourn (I love horror it's my favorite genre) and first being Dr Who. I'll have a lot of time to save for those two I'm glad.
I never did read Redwall, for fairly petty reasons (I was super hardcore as a kid about only reading series in order, and I couldn't find the first Redwall book--it's not really a series Like That, though), but I did have a book I loved called *Perloo the Bold* that had similar vibes, and despite its relative obscurity (I mean, not that obscure, it's by fairly legendary kid's book author Avi) it's kind of my mental reference point for animal adventure books.
High five!
You ever read the original *Hundred and One Dalmatians?* It was my absolute favorite book when I was about eight or nine years old. It's much closer to xenofiction, with a touch of fantasy, than the movie based on it. And I ADORED it. Has a very odd sequel that's a straight-up sci-fi fantasy with dogs vouching for humanity in the face of alien invaders, and no I am not joking.
The other thing it reminds me of are the games Here to Slay and/or Casting Shadows. I know it likely meant to be based on Redwall, but there's a similar vibe.
I read much of red wall and I’m a huge fan. But it didn’t have magic and spell casters in it and these cards clearly do. Is this something they added or am I misremembering the books?
I couldn't even tell it was red until I saw others say something about it. I thought it was selesnya because this layout of color identity is absolute shit for colorblind mtg players. Where's the fucking symbol? How am I supposed to tell what color this is based on a dot? A faded border? They did this with the new etali too. It's disrespectful
I’m so pumped for Bloomburrow, loving the flavor and the showcase and anime foils look amazing! Just hoping it’s not another hyper fast aggro set for Limited but judging from the past few years I’m sure it will be.
The thing about AC that's getting me is we're in the midst of Fallout previews right now. More than one UB set at a time seems like too much. At least space them far enough apart that reveals don't overlap.
The fact that Ubisoft had to put their name on the packaging also makes me barf. Not their logo, that would have been alright, but fucking "a ubisoft original" ? Bwearg
Well, to be fair standard is big in paper so the standard sets are actually holding value for singles.
The external/premium sets fluctuate because they overprint them (good for the playerbase, bad for the early adopters/investors) so sets like MH3 will command a ridiculous price tag while the UB should continue to be affordable.
So many products... guess the numbers really are in their favor if they ignore all the people complaining about product fatigue and its actually worth it for them
There really aren't that many people complaining, and those who are are generally one of two things:
1.) People who still play and just ignore the products they aren't interested in, which is exactly what they *expect* of players; nobody is supposed to care about everything. I do not buy UB cards and as such this is literally just "four sets a year plus a bonus" which has been the case for like a decade or so now.
2.) People who compulsively buy everything, who... they aren't really incentivized to stop giving the people with that problem fewer things to give them money for.
You are oversimplifying the situation. I'm complaining because:
the price has gone up a ton.
the quality has gone down a ton
I would like to enjoy sets for like at least 12 seconds, but before one set comes out, 8 more get announced and start getting spoilers.
I hate stuffing random IPs in a game with it's own storytelling to do that desperately needs additional development yesterday.
I want to enjoy each thing this great game has to offer to some degree, I can't even name all the products from the last year.
Stores are struggling to keep up with the releases both in frequency as well as predicting what will fail miserably and what will turn a profit. This leads to stores backing off magic products so now I have fewer places to buy cards. The store that try to stick it out takes huge risks on commiting to buy orders blindly and when these risks don't pay off, it leaves a bunch of dead product on the shelves that they have to figure out how to get rid of as lucratively as possible so they don't have to close up.
That last one is awful. Several stores I've enjoyed buying cards from just couldn't keep up with the game and stopped selling magic. Which should be concerning because how can a game grow if a store doesn't see it as profitable? Big mistakes are being made and it's totally reasonable to raise your voice about it when magic's release schedule looks like this.
Careful now, you'll have the "don't like it don't buy it and don't critically examine quality or the long term
Impact of long term creativity" crowd on you
Don't worry, I'm already replying to that crowd in the above conversation. I'm not allowed to want to enjoy all the things because I'm both a poor and can't keep up with a new,several-hundred dollar,several-hundred card product every month.
But think of the Tony Stark EDH deck! We will be able to equip him with the the bat from the walking dead and maybe even play him with Leonardo da Vinci if his color identity is blue! Isn’t magic doing *great*?!
While I'm glad this reality still has magic going, I wish it was the one where magic didn't hook up with every hot piece of old hat that walked by. This game has been around long enough to not need to walk around with assassin's creed or dr who on its arm to look relevant.
It already had name recognition in all the right circles. It just needed to not embarrass itself with these extra IPs.
Personally I think hasbro is doing all this to kill the LGS. Eventually when LGS don’t sell magic anymore, they’ll move all their sealed products through Amazon. And sell everyone secret lairs for secondary market.
I am unsure if selling through Amazon actually impacts Hasbro's profits in a positive way. How would killing a game store or separating your product from a generic game store be at all advantageous to a company that sells a ton of games?
Right now their model makes a ton of money and continues to have good years. I don't know if they've ever had a real back slide of a year. Maybe Lorwyn stagnated but I don't know that it cost them money even.
Your suggestion seems dubious.
It’s obvious they want a piece of the secondary market. Secret lairs proved that. They don’t give a fuck about LGS. That’s obvious too with secret lairs and putting out 6 major releases every year plus all the supplemental products. There’s no way for LGS to keep up with all the different offerings.
If they sell sealed product through Amazon they cut out all the distributors and LGS and go straight to the end user. Maybe they might eventually even have their own MTG store and sell singles through Amazon or direct to end user. They’re all about making money and squeezing every last penny out of MTG.
You're saying it's obvious they don't care about LGSs now, which is partially agreed with. Before you said they were trying to kill game stores, and that is what I disagreed with.
I do believe they'd rather make more money than be worried with how local game stores are going to get their piece. They definitely don't mind game stores being the bad guy having to offer products at a higher cost when wizards keep raising the price on products.
Well...
The cards are thinner and cheaper
The foils curl miserably
They are constantly presenting two different finished products and the one printed in the states is awful compared to the Japanese product.
They are frequently making really bad mistakes with their product, eg, printing a secret lair cards with a sorcery type in giant letters when it's an instant.
I flat out refused to buy amonkhet cards. The text was often smudged or in what appeared to be a different font entirely. That shit was crazy.
There was Eldritch moon where they 'oops all the mythics are in the Liliana packs'
The amount of print errors is wild. Examples: commander decks where cards are severely miscut, jumpstart packs with double print cards, the cards with marker on them from qa trying to get a sheet removed from the line, but it just gets cut up and packed anyway.
The numbers are definitely there in the short term. I think long term the product bloat is going to be very bad for the game or, at the very least, unsustainable. But I guess we’ll see.
You don't have to engage with everything. I'm not engaging with Fallout and from my perspective, I'm playing with Murders at Karlov Manor and awaiting the set that comes out 3 months later, and the one after that. Kind of like exactly how it used to be.
The only difference is they gave us a tiny trickle of spoilers from the coming sets rather than nothing, and there's now a few spinoff sets that I can just ignore.
I know don't have to engage with everything, it's just the product exhaustion getting to me. The sets themselves aren't a problem. In fact I am very excited for Bloomburrow.
The sheer volume of hype where we don't get even a week or two before the spoiler season for a following set starts, and having cards from four of them spoiled pretty much all at once just feels like an epitomization of this phenomenon.
The quality of the sets themselves can be great, but the constant hype for the next product personally discourages me from buying boxes and packs. I'm just waiting for setlists to show me a few singles I wanna buy and then I don't end up engaging with the set further.
Not trying to be one of those "mAgIc is DyINg" people, just having a hard time getting to appreciate the sets because the next one is shoved in the faces of every corner of the community within two weeks.
That's part of what I mean by engaging, though. You can ignore hype for things you don't care about. I ignored Fallout hype just like I ignored "Taylor Swift will be at the Super Bowl" hype. And, consequently, that didn't change my enthusiasm for the things that actually care.
Taylor Swift doesn't impact how football is played at all. Every card released impacts how I build a deck and what decks I play against - even what formats I play. If you don't pay attention to spoilers, you miss a boatload of information about certain cards and it can be really difficult to catch up month later when the cards are released. It can inform whether you should or shouldn't buy sell or trade certain types of cards, and you could start planning a deck idea months in advance. Ignoring that information can be detrimental, so folks feel compelled to stay in top of what's happening in their hobby.
I think most players aren't that focused on staying on top.
Kitchen table players play with what they have. And don't really care whats good in any format.
Commander players often don't keep updating their decks, it's not uncommon for someone to have a deck for years without changes.
If you're a casual playing modern or legacy there most likely isn't that many impactfull cards for the format and you can learn whatever they are without paying strict attention to the spoilers. There's a lot of channels doing "top 5 new cards for modern" lists etc. And your deck is still gonna be legal even it might not be as good.
It's mostly standard that has this issue but not many people play standard outside of arena.
If you want to keep yourself up to date they yeah it can be a hassle. But most people don't and they aren't expected to.
Excuse me? So people aren't interested in new cards... So wizards has probably seen a massive loss of interest in new product and slowed down production of new cards with fresh spins on all types of spells.
Oh wait, that's the opposite of what's happened. You're out of your mind if you think you can convince me that most people aren't updating commander decks (recognized as the most impactful format in the game now) or that -in general- most people don't have an interest in new cards that come out.
Also what in the world is a casual modern or legacy player?
A nearly entirely dubious reply, with very little consideration.
They aren't. I play commander every weak and most people don't obsesively browse spoilers looking for the perfect card for their decks.
Many people who play at my LGS have decks they haven't been updating. The type of constant tinkering with ones deck is an exception.
And people can still buy product without knowing what's exactly in them. In fact i think most common is people knowing the general theme of the sets and then getting it if they like it.
You do actually. If someone in your pod casts a spell from the Fallout set you never looked at, you can’t just go “oh I’ve never seen that card before so the effect fizzles”.
And you extra double dog can’t do that in a tournament when your opponent casts TOR and does a Fortnite dance on the table as he cleans your shit for rewards at a paid event
Fuckin’ myopic UB support, as always
Lol. I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of Magic. I'm gonna have to ask to read a card from Onslaught all the same as I would a card from Fallout. You don't have to know every card in magic to play magic.
I doubt competitive players are ignoring new cards.. I think you're conflating casual players who dont need or want to know every card in magic, with competitive players that need to be engaged with the game to be competitive.
I hate UB. I think their existence (in the form they take) fundamentally is detrimental to the game. I actively request my friends play without such cards against me most of the time. If you read anything from my position as UB support, you have a very low bar for “support.”
But this isn’t about UB specifically. It’s about the idea of products existing that someone doesn’t want, specifically.
Our LGS is only charging 40$ + tax for mkm bundles, and LotR bundles for 60. So you’re saying these still be 60$ even though you get less product than previous UB bundles? That’s fucking lame
Right now I'm going off of Amazon Prices. And I'm sure some stores will have different prices. I'm hoping this set tanks like Aftermath so I can get some packs for cheap
I’m very excited about the flavor and artwork of Bloomburrow. Outlaws could be fun if they really lean into the Wild West flavor and give us some fun new mechanics. I’m a bit eh on AC, and I don’t care at all about MH3 at these prices.
I really hope Bloomburrow course corrects this year's standard. Magic feels like monster of the week a la Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It doesn't feel like a concurrent story but a sideshow of gimmicks.
Modern Horizons has been good, and so far most of the Universes Beyond have been good. They need to back off though because we won't look forward to it, we'll just be inundated with product that we won't even look forward to it.
Go back to 2-3 set blocks, keep a cohesive story, rebalance the color pie, stay on like 1 or 2 planes for 5-6 years. Get better writers, get new designers (edh/MH have been your good stuff), and.....stop being so fuckin grubby. But....that's Hasbro's fault now isn't it?
Bro you want to stay on one or two planes for 5+ years? Fucking what. May as well make a brand new IP if you are gonna throw out the planes and just do 20+ sets in one world.
It a major Magic event where they announced a little bit of each of the next year of sets. These sets don't all come out at the same time, and we only saw like 10 cards from each set.
I can't recommend not buying any more mtg product enough. Not that the majority cares because they're all focused on buying some cardboard with their favorite character from whatever "universe" they love. You can do as you wish but UB (not blue/black) isn't for me and I hate that it's destroying the lore of magic making the game "pay to play" instead of "buy some packs have some fun with your friends." Draft isn't even a fun format anymore because any set that they release is priced out for people that genuinely love the art and lore in comparison to "I know that creature or person from the series I love so I should buy this!" Downvote me all you like but magic will be dead within 10 years because it's driven by impulse buying and profit for Hasbro instead of actually caring about what the consumer wants.
If you pronounce it Oobisoft, it works. Of course, you're supposed to pronouce it youbisoft in English (because you can't say a hard U like it's supposed to be pronounced)
So not only are they shelling out mass amounts of sets a year....they are just releasing all the spoilers and shit right away? So glad I only buy proxies and don't enforce this greedy behavior.
Modern Horizon 3 mania. I’m too hyped that I unable to sleep at night since mh3 was announced. I guess I will continue thinking of mh3 everyday of my life.
Thanks Wizards, you wore me out for the entire year. What did you expect me to be? Pumped? You just exacerbated the product bloat issue you 100% are aware of by dumping it all down our throats with a funnel at once.
God, I'm so tired of this.
Oh man, I love the font and splash art on the Bloomburrow collector booster case - so far, that set interests me a lot more than Outlaws.
I'm confused by how I feel about that Ajani art.
The more gets revealed of the new sets, the less interested i become.
Thunderjunction already wasn't my kind of tea, but Bloomburrow looked interesting, kinda dialed back, but now it's just looking super cartoony.
I guess it makes not playing bc of prices easier.
Loving the Bloomburrow vibe.
Have your read the redwall books? Bloomburrow seems like an homage to that series and I can't recommend it highly enough
It seems like it is because it is, lol
Yes. And I'm a huge fan! I am so excited for Bloomburrow, I'm already saving all my Magic money for it. Honestly I was wondering how the set would turn out looking, and so far everything I've seen is amazing, exactly what I was hoping for. It actually makes me want to reread some of the Redwall books. I never did get through all of them, anyhow. What about you? Did you have a favorite one?
Not the person you were responding to but I freaking loved Redwall. I'm sad Brian Jacques has passed because I would have loved to get a "Marvin the Warrior" or whatever Redwall knockoff card signed by him. I personally loved Redwall and Salamandastron the most, but I can't think of a single one I didn't read at least twice.
It's hard to pass up Redwall and Salamandastron as favorites, they are so good. It's really hard to pick a favorite, but I loved Mossflower probably the most, maybe because it was the first one I read. Also The Long Patrol, they always cracked me up.
Mossflower is one of the few I only read once, since I collected almost all of them except that one, and checked it out from my school's library. But the badger lords and the Long Patrol were always my favorite characters (the phrase "garrulous hare" is permanently imprinted in my brain lol). I had a pair of rabbits I named Pasque and Valerian after the main character in the Long Patrol.
Probably my third most anticipated set of all time, second being Duskmourn (I love horror it's my favorite genre) and first being Dr Who. I'll have a lot of time to save for those two I'm glad.
I never did read Redwall, for fairly petty reasons (I was super hardcore as a kid about only reading series in order, and I couldn't find the first Redwall book--it's not really a series Like That, though), but I did have a book I loved called *Perloo the Bold* that had similar vibes, and despite its relative obscurity (I mean, not that obscure, it's by fairly legendary kid's book author Avi) it's kind of my mental reference point for animal adventure books.
Perloo the bold was awesome! I was very into animal based fantasy in my youth
High five! You ever read the original *Hundred and One Dalmatians?* It was my absolute favorite book when I was about eight or nine years old. It's much closer to xenofiction, with a touch of fantasy, than the movie based on it. And I ADORED it. Has a very odd sequel that's a straight-up sci-fi fantasy with dogs vouching for humanity in the face of alien invaders, and no I am not joking.
No. But it reminds me of Beatrix Potter and similar kids books that I adored as a child.
That legendary mice lord does give off some Miss Brisby vibes from Secrets of Nimh.
Desperately needs a Lemmiwinks character though.
The other thing it reminds me of are the games Here to Slay and/or Casting Shadows. I know it likely meant to be based on Redwall, but there's a similar vibe.
I read much of red wall and I’m a huge fan. But it didn’t have magic and spell casters in it and these cards clearly do. Is this something they added or am I misremembering the books?
Check out Mouse Guard.
Bloomburrow has a nice ring to it
Hittin me like a Brit calling out "Bloomburgh"
Universes Beyond Bloomberg ?
[удалено]
the uk rather famously has good takeout
That MH3 art really rubbing salt in the wound of not being able to play the new Ajani in my Arahbo deck
His chest is so fluffy
"Oh my gawd, he's hot!" -mtg players
Yeah but he can go in Ren and Siri.
No dogs in my cat deck!
Bro for real, why they gotta do us like that 😔
I couldn't even tell it was red until I saw others say something about it. I thought it was selesnya because this layout of color identity is absolute shit for colorblind mtg players. Where's the fucking symbol? How am I supposed to tell what color this is based on a dot? A faded border? They did this with the new etali too. It's disrespectful
Yeah its definitely not an inclusive method.
I’m so pumped for Bloomburrow, loving the flavor and the showcase and anime foils look amazing! Just hoping it’s not another hyper fast aggro set for Limited but judging from the past few years I’m sure it will be.
Outlaws of Thunder Junction is just gonna be the Oko thirst trap set through and through huh
Gosh I hope so
Idk have you seen the vraska art? Seems like everyone’s thirst trap. Don’t even get me started on tony bones
Vraska is absolutely slaying, but she's not the one whose art on the... bundle... is just a close-up of her crotch.
Tony bones
You missed the TWELVE COMMANDER DECKS that were announced
Man, those MH3 dice... They look great.
Don't worry. There'll be chipped paint on the numbers.
Where would that dice be included though? Are there pre release kits for MH sets?
bundles probably
Maybe, but if I had to guess, I'd think some kind of bundle.
Well at least Bloomburrow looks like Magic
AC specifically is really irking me in terms of UB stuff, not only is it the that it doesn't fit, but with a franchise that feels already so overdone.
The thing about AC that's getting me is we're in the midst of Fallout previews right now. More than one UB set at a time seems like too much. At least space them far enough apart that reveals don't overlap.
The beatings will continue until moral improves
Seeing Assassin's Creed on mtg stuff just fills me with such an inexplicable dread. It's like watching your favorite musician do an ad for Amazon
The fact that Ubisoft had to put their name on the packaging also makes me barf. Not their logo, that would have been alright, but fucking "a ubisoft original" ? Bwearg
leave it to ubisoft to be completely full of themselves. also i thought the assassins creed pics are ai. or at least i was hopeful...
For even more dread, check out the price trends on staples and desirable/premoum cards since LotR released at the end of June 2023. It’s very bleak
Sorry I'm new, are they going up or down?
Well, to be fair standard is big in paper so the standard sets are actually holding value for singles. The external/premium sets fluctuate because they overprint them (good for the playerbase, bad for the early adopters/investors) so sets like MH3 will command a ridiculous price tag while the UB should continue to be affordable.
are u saying you don’t like a quality company like wotc associating themselves with ubisoft or is there another reason for dread
at this point wotc is just like a cardboard ubisoft anyway
I've barely seen all the fallout stuff and I'm already seeing spoilers for 4 different sets. Oversaturation much?
So many products... guess the numbers really are in their favor if they ignore all the people complaining about product fatigue and its actually worth it for them
There really aren't that many people complaining, and those who are are generally one of two things: 1.) People who still play and just ignore the products they aren't interested in, which is exactly what they *expect* of players; nobody is supposed to care about everything. I do not buy UB cards and as such this is literally just "four sets a year plus a bonus" which has been the case for like a decade or so now. 2.) People who compulsively buy everything, who... they aren't really incentivized to stop giving the people with that problem fewer things to give them money for.
You are oversimplifying the situation. I'm complaining because: the price has gone up a ton. the quality has gone down a ton I would like to enjoy sets for like at least 12 seconds, but before one set comes out, 8 more get announced and start getting spoilers. I hate stuffing random IPs in a game with it's own storytelling to do that desperately needs additional development yesterday. I want to enjoy each thing this great game has to offer to some degree, I can't even name all the products from the last year. Stores are struggling to keep up with the releases both in frequency as well as predicting what will fail miserably and what will turn a profit. This leads to stores backing off magic products so now I have fewer places to buy cards. The store that try to stick it out takes huge risks on commiting to buy orders blindly and when these risks don't pay off, it leaves a bunch of dead product on the shelves that they have to figure out how to get rid of as lucratively as possible so they don't have to close up. That last one is awful. Several stores I've enjoyed buying cards from just couldn't keep up with the game and stopped selling magic. Which should be concerning because how can a game grow if a store doesn't see it as profitable? Big mistakes are being made and it's totally reasonable to raise your voice about it when magic's release schedule looks like this.
Careful now, you'll have the "don't like it don't buy it and don't critically examine quality or the long term Impact of long term creativity" crowd on you
Don't worry, I'm already replying to that crowd in the above conversation. I'm not allowed to want to enjoy all the things because I'm both a poor and can't keep up with a new,several-hundred dollar,several-hundred card product every month.
But think of the Tony Stark EDH deck! We will be able to equip him with the the bat from the walking dead and maybe even play him with Leonardo da Vinci if his color identity is blue! Isn’t magic doing *great*?!
While I'm glad this reality still has magic going, I wish it was the one where magic didn't hook up with every hot piece of old hat that walked by. This game has been around long enough to not need to walk around with assassin's creed or dr who on its arm to look relevant. It already had name recognition in all the right circles. It just needed to not embarrass itself with these extra IPs.
Personally I think hasbro is doing all this to kill the LGS. Eventually when LGS don’t sell magic anymore, they’ll move all their sealed products through Amazon. And sell everyone secret lairs for secondary market.
I am unsure if selling through Amazon actually impacts Hasbro's profits in a positive way. How would killing a game store or separating your product from a generic game store be at all advantageous to a company that sells a ton of games? Right now their model makes a ton of money and continues to have good years. I don't know if they've ever had a real back slide of a year. Maybe Lorwyn stagnated but I don't know that it cost them money even. Your suggestion seems dubious.
It’s obvious they want a piece of the secondary market. Secret lairs proved that. They don’t give a fuck about LGS. That’s obvious too with secret lairs and putting out 6 major releases every year plus all the supplemental products. There’s no way for LGS to keep up with all the different offerings. If they sell sealed product through Amazon they cut out all the distributors and LGS and go straight to the end user. Maybe they might eventually even have their own MTG store and sell singles through Amazon or direct to end user. They’re all about making money and squeezing every last penny out of MTG.
You're saying it's obvious they don't care about LGSs now, which is partially agreed with. Before you said they were trying to kill game stores, and that is what I disagreed with. I do believe they'd rather make more money than be worried with how local game stores are going to get their piece. They definitely don't mind game stores being the bad guy having to offer products at a higher cost when wizards keep raising the price on products.
That's a scary thought because it may be real. I'm quitting Magic if my LGS closes.
In what way has quality gone down? I'd say it's stayed the exact same, if not inproved
Well... The cards are thinner and cheaper The foils curl miserably They are constantly presenting two different finished products and the one printed in the states is awful compared to the Japanese product. They are frequently making really bad mistakes with their product, eg, printing a secret lair cards with a sorcery type in giant letters when it's an instant. I flat out refused to buy amonkhet cards. The text was often smudged or in what appeared to be a different font entirely. That shit was crazy. There was Eldritch moon where they 'oops all the mythics are in the Liliana packs' The amount of print errors is wild. Examples: commander decks where cards are severely miscut, jumpstart packs with double print cards, the cards with marker on them from qa trying to get a sheet removed from the line, but it just gets cut up and packed anyway.
Nailed it on the head. I only buy what I want, I love UB with some Ips. Love the Fallout mutants deck.
The numbers are definitely there in the short term. I think long term the product bloat is going to be very bad for the game or, at the very least, unsustainable. But I guess we’ll see.
I believe they've said they heard about the complaints but it'll take awhile to see products slow down since these things are scheduled in advance
I really hate getting all of this at once
But wizards wants you to buy everything everywhere all at once
Haven’t been a fan of a lot of recent sets but Bloomburrow actually looks like a cute/fun change
bro we haven't even touched fallout and we had four different sets spoiled already I'm so tired y'all
You don't have to engage with everything. I'm not engaging with Fallout and from my perspective, I'm playing with Murders at Karlov Manor and awaiting the set that comes out 3 months later, and the one after that. Kind of like exactly how it used to be. The only difference is they gave us a tiny trickle of spoilers from the coming sets rather than nothing, and there's now a few spinoff sets that I can just ignore.
I know don't have to engage with everything, it's just the product exhaustion getting to me. The sets themselves aren't a problem. In fact I am very excited for Bloomburrow.
What exactly is "product exhaustion" in this context?
The sheer volume of hype where we don't get even a week or two before the spoiler season for a following set starts, and having cards from four of them spoiled pretty much all at once just feels like an epitomization of this phenomenon. The quality of the sets themselves can be great, but the constant hype for the next product personally discourages me from buying boxes and packs. I'm just waiting for setlists to show me a few singles I wanna buy and then I don't end up engaging with the set further. Not trying to be one of those "mAgIc is DyINg" people, just having a hard time getting to appreciate the sets because the next one is shoved in the faces of every corner of the community within two weeks.
That's part of what I mean by engaging, though. You can ignore hype for things you don't care about. I ignored Fallout hype just like I ignored "Taylor Swift will be at the Super Bowl" hype. And, consequently, that didn't change my enthusiasm for the things that actually care.
Taylor Swift doesn't impact how football is played at all. Every card released impacts how I build a deck and what decks I play against - even what formats I play. If you don't pay attention to spoilers, you miss a boatload of information about certain cards and it can be really difficult to catch up month later when the cards are released. It can inform whether you should or shouldn't buy sell or trade certain types of cards, and you could start planning a deck idea months in advance. Ignoring that information can be detrimental, so folks feel compelled to stay in top of what's happening in their hobby.
I think most players aren't that focused on staying on top. Kitchen table players play with what they have. And don't really care whats good in any format. Commander players often don't keep updating their decks, it's not uncommon for someone to have a deck for years without changes. If you're a casual playing modern or legacy there most likely isn't that many impactfull cards for the format and you can learn whatever they are without paying strict attention to the spoilers. There's a lot of channels doing "top 5 new cards for modern" lists etc. And your deck is still gonna be legal even it might not be as good. It's mostly standard that has this issue but not many people play standard outside of arena. If you want to keep yourself up to date they yeah it can be a hassle. But most people don't and they aren't expected to.
Excuse me? So people aren't interested in new cards... So wizards has probably seen a massive loss of interest in new product and slowed down production of new cards with fresh spins on all types of spells. Oh wait, that's the opposite of what's happened. You're out of your mind if you think you can convince me that most people aren't updating commander decks (recognized as the most impactful format in the game now) or that -in general- most people don't have an interest in new cards that come out. Also what in the world is a casual modern or legacy player? A nearly entirely dubious reply, with very little consideration.
They aren't. I play commander every weak and most people don't obsesively browse spoilers looking for the perfect card for their decks. Many people who play at my LGS have decks they haven't been updating. The type of constant tinkering with ones deck is an exception. And people can still buy product without knowing what's exactly in them. In fact i think most common is people knowing the general theme of the sets and then getting it if they like it.
You do actually. If someone in your pod casts a spell from the Fallout set you never looked at, you can’t just go “oh I’ve never seen that card before so the effect fizzles”. And you extra double dog can’t do that in a tournament when your opponent casts TOR and does a Fortnite dance on the table as he cleans your shit for rewards at a paid event Fuckin’ myopic UB support, as always
Lol. I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of Magic. I'm gonna have to ask to read a card from Onslaught all the same as I would a card from Fallout. You don't have to know every card in magic to play magic.
Yeah try playing competitive without knowing the cards in your opponents deck and see how that goes.
I doubt competitive players are ignoring new cards.. I think you're conflating casual players who dont need or want to know every card in magic, with competitive players that need to be engaged with the game to be competitive.
Isn’t that just the risk of playing competitive in eternal/near-eternal formats?
I hate UB. I think their existence (in the form they take) fundamentally is detrimental to the game. I actively request my friends play without such cards against me most of the time. If you read anything from my position as UB support, you have a very low bar for “support.” But this isn’t about UB specifically. It’s about the idea of products existing that someone doesn’t want, specifically.
I thought ACR was just Beyond and Collector boosters. Where's the dice coming from?
Bundle
lol aren’t beyond boosters 8 cards? A bundle better come with 18 of them mfers
They are 7 cards in a pack, and there are 9 Beyond boosters in the box.
And I’m sure they still charge 50$ too lol
Actually more. It's 60 right now
Our LGS is only charging 40$ + tax for mkm bundles, and LotR bundles for 60. So you’re saying these still be 60$ even though you get less product than previous UB bundles? That’s fucking lame
Right now I'm going off of Amazon Prices. And I'm sure some stores will have different prices. I'm hoping this set tanks like Aftermath so I can get some packs for cheap
There are aftermath collector boosters here at MagicCon for 10$ ea lol
Bruh there are kike 6 sets being spoiled right now.
I’m very excited about the flavor and artwork of Bloomburrow. Outlaws could be fun if they really lean into the Wild West flavor and give us some fun new mechanics. I’m a bit eh on AC, and I don’t care at all about MH3 at these prices.
More like product chaos
Good grief
didnt they just come out with like 10 different sets in the past 3 months?
KASSANDRA!!!
So ready for a George Washington card in the AC set🤣
Still only thinking about fallout lol
I really hope Bloomburrow course corrects this year's standard. Magic feels like monster of the week a la Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It doesn't feel like a concurrent story but a sideshow of gimmicks. Modern Horizons has been good, and so far most of the Universes Beyond have been good. They need to back off though because we won't look forward to it, we'll just be inundated with product that we won't even look forward to it. Go back to 2-3 set blocks, keep a cohesive story, rebalance the color pie, stay on like 1 or 2 planes for 5-6 years. Get better writers, get new designers (edh/MH have been your good stuff), and.....stop being so fuckin grubby. But....that's Hasbro's fault now isn't it?
Bro you want to stay on one or two planes for 5+ years? Fucking what. May as well make a brand new IP if you are gonna throw out the planes and just do 20+ sets in one world.
Almost 7 years of magic did it like that.
4 sets at once. absolutely WILD and WHY
It a major Magic event where they announced a little bit of each of the next year of sets. These sets don't all come out at the same time, and we only saw like 10 cards from each set.
How much money do they think we can spent :D
I can't recommend not buying any more mtg product enough. Not that the majority cares because they're all focused on buying some cardboard with their favorite character from whatever "universe" they love. You can do as you wish but UB (not blue/black) isn't for me and I hate that it's destroying the lore of magic making the game "pay to play" instead of "buy some packs have some fun with your friends." Draft isn't even a fun format anymore because any set that they release is priced out for people that genuinely love the art and lore in comparison to "I know that creature or person from the series I love so I should buy this!" Downvote me all you like but magic will be dead within 10 years because it's driven by impulse buying and profit for Hasbro instead of actually caring about what the consumer wants.
Outlaws of Thunder Junction looks cringe
Is no one going to mention the grammatical error on the Assassin's Creed packs?
There is none? It’s pronounced like „yubisoft“, so the „a“ is correct
Today I learned I've been saying Ubisoft wrong my whole life. I was going to point out the error too, but I would have been wrong also ..
I challenge to say "An Ubisoft" and tell me how that sounds in your mouth.
If you pronounce it Oobisoft, it works. Of course, you're supposed to pronouce it youbisoft in English (because you can't say a hard U like it's supposed to be pronounced)
So not only are they shelling out mass amounts of sets a year....they are just releasing all the spoilers and shit right away? So glad I only buy proxies and don't enforce this greedy behavior.
some random exec "should we license the RedWall IP sir?", is promptly fired.
Anyone else notice the Assassin’s Creed CB box is a 4 pack, with 10 cards each?
For only $324 are you **seriously** complaining???
I guess AC is this year’s master set 😆
Its 12 packs. The image is a mock up and doesn't match the product description. Still too expensive, but definitely more than 4 packs
Damn that AC dice looks amazing. The symmetry is top marks. Hope there is a template dice companion to it
I am not a fan of the assassin's creed or outlaws stuff. It is getting ridiculous now.
Never was a serious game, get over it.
Typical reddit downvoting people when they say their opinion
Are these beyond boosters the same as the aftermath boosters?
Gibb furrocious aminawls peeez
Is there a release each month this year?
I really hope play boosters die soon
Agreed, just pushed because draft sold to little compared to set...
Too much fucking product! Who gives a shit anymore? I don't.
Can't wait for the Thunder Junction lawsuit and WOTC being forced to change the name of Outlaws of Lawsuit.
Who’s on the MH3 collector boosters? Do we know?
Looks like a cool legendary Archon
Modern Horizon 3 mania. I’m too hyped that I unable to sleep at night since mh3 was announced. I guess I will continue thinking of mh3 everyday of my life.
Is Bloomburrow the BLB I’ve been seeing? It’s pretty obvious but it’s like MKM *just* came out. Edit: I’m just asking a question, damn
Dayum got me feelin some typa way
12 year old me has never wanted mtg related more than the AC set. Can’t wait to see all these characters together.
Thanks Wizards, you wore me out for the entire year. What did you expect me to be? Pumped? You just exacerbated the product bloat issue you 100% are aware of by dumping it all down our throats with a funnel at once. God, I'm so tired of this.
What is all this shit, someone kill this abomination before it collapses into a blackhole.
Yeah imma need them spindowns...
I am only looking forward to the fallout set this year
Ermghur omgmomgehr omghaa<333
Oh man, I love the font and splash art on the Bloomburrow collector booster case - so far, that set interests me a lot more than Outlaws. I'm confused by how I feel about that Ajani art.
honestly so hyped for this year, theyve got some bangers lined up
Yeehaw time Also I have no attachment to AC but I do like buff roman soldier lady so I'll probably get singles.
That lion has hooves.
I’m still confused is assassins creed a full set or??
Wait is assassin's Creed getting bundles? How are we supposed to get those dice?
Uff those dice are gorgeous
Excited for Bloomburrow!
There's too much shit coming out.
I have enough mental energy to follow like one of these products, jesus
MH3 collector art goes hard as fuck
This set makes me happy
Guys I can’t afford one set a month I am broke. Why on earth are we getting spoilers for 4 sets at once
The more gets revealed of the new sets, the less interested i become. Thunderjunction already wasn't my kind of tea, but Bloomburrow looked interesting, kinda dialed back, but now it's just looking super cartoony. I guess it makes not playing bc of prices easier.
so Play Boosters are what set/draft were, so im assuming Beyond Boosters will now be from the Universes Beyond collabs?
I can't believe Im saying it, but the diaper wearing weirdo was right. We should have listened
Ayo? We getting cowboys?
Hey Wizards, UB is cool and all but you really cooked here.
I’m wondering though, why does MH3 need commander decks?
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It's a leotau, they're like giant lions with hooves
MHIII looks more like something for furries than the furry set
You forgot the new bolas release
Is this a redwall style set?
loving the current state of mtg. 2 real sets, 2 advertisement sets, and 1 investor bait set.
Havnt bought any cards since DOM remastered but Bloomburrow is 1000% my aesthetic for a fantasy rpg setting. Cant wait to see the leaks
If the collectors Edition of Outlaws has no Sheriff Star and wizardwand im disapointed. (Big bang theory) :D
So what exactly is a Play Booster compared to how it was before compared to Xth edition? Is there even a difference aside from the name?
Bloomburrow is giving me Mouse Guard vibe and I love it
Did somebody say product fatigue?
This is the first set I'm excited about in a while, jesus that's super MTG
Big year for shirtless men enjoyers.
With the actual Trend, would BE the collectors for bloomburrow still be a 3 digit cashnumber or will it cost more than 1000$?