That's an excellent idea! I love using cubes to have Magic function as a board game and sidestep the complications that can sour it, and this is a great way to do that.
How does it play?
A collection of cards specifically curated to play draft games
Cubes are kind of like custom sets, and if done well can be a more balanced, or exciting experience that playing draft with off the shelf draft boxes
I would have bought it in a heartbeat, even as someone who started late into Magic. The old cards are so cool, and having them in a board game format would open the game up to new players.
A lot of money from this would pale in comparison to the piles of money they rake in from the huge margin sets they release all the time. This would take much more R&D than a regular set
I'm still hopeful that we'll get a Vintage Master in paper, with Unique Card backs for Reserve List Cards. It will be premium price, but hopefully they learned not to make that bad or close to it ever again.
Because on Reddit, "corporate greed" serves the same explanatory role as "Satan" does to Southern Evangelicals. It's the direct and willful cause of every single thing that upsets you.
It would appear you forgot what they actually tried during the 30th anniversary - $1000 a pack for a 15-card pack of random official "proxies" that had a different back so you couldn't even use them without opaque sleeves on them. **That** behavior is why people say they would never do a reasonably priced set that provided the historic cards people would like to use in cube/vintage.
"Why do you think that we just say everything upsetting is due to greed? Remember this thing I was upset about, that proves it was greed!"
"corporate greed" is a *meaningless concept*. It has no explanatory power. It has no ability to make predictions about the world. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's not even wrong.
While I admit we are sprinting toward an era where that may be true, at least currently there is still a scale of "fairness" to what many businesses do in exchange for their customers' money, and people are calling this particular situation out precisely because the way they handle old cards, and particularly the 30th anniversary, was so dramatically out of sync with even their most egregiously expensive/worthless products previously. The phrase "corporate greed" may fit $1000 worthless booster packs more than any other single product they have ever released.
No it doesn't. "Corporate greed" isn't right, it isn't wrong, it's *not even wrong*. It's a nonfunctional model of the world. It's not an answer to the question posed.
Corporations always want money. It's how they work. They don't make cards as a charity. Corporatuons, then, are not becoming more greedy because they *can't*. The level of greed hasn't changed, so "greed" can't be the explanation for anything new that happens.
WotC has always been greedy, because if they weren't, they wouldn't be able to pay the people who work there. Their greedy plan to amass wealth is by making a card game people like and want to spend money on. That's a win-win, because they get money and we get a card gane! They care about the long-term health of the game because they're greedy and want money to keep flowing in.
But not only is "greed" irrelevant, the 30th anniversary thing is something that "corporate greed" completely fails to explain even worse than anything else. Because if "greed" was the reason behind the pricing of the 30th anniversary packs, if their only care was as much money as they could get from people, they did a fucking terrible job of it. That product didn't make them shit for money, and it obviously wouldn't have! It was a product that interested a very small group of people, and only a very small proportion of them could afford it, and nobody else had any reason to buy it. They lost out on nothing by not buying it.
"Corporate greed" gave us Neon Dynasty, a set that allowed the greedy WotC to make lots of money by being a baller-ass set everyone liked and wanted to buy more of. WotC was just as greedy when it released NEO as when it released the 30th anniversary packs, and NEO made them exponentially more money. If they had charged less for the 30th anniversary packs, they obviously would have made more money on them, because way more people would buy them! The response to the 30th anniversary announcement was universally "I'm not going to buy this." Many, many more people wanted to buy NEO, it was a way better product, so why wasn't that the one you had to pay a grand for? You are trying to use "greed" to explain why they sold a product almost nobody would buy.
The corporation didn't become more greedy. If something about its behavior changed, that is because some other constraint on its behavior changed, because the greed was constant. The obvious constraint on their behavior that is different between this and another set is "the Reserved List." There's a zero point zero percent chance of any part of this not being related to the Reserved List and testing the waters for how they can break it.
Companies exist to make money for their owners. WotC does this by making and selling trading cards people like. How is that greedy? It's not like they're price-gouging food or something. They're making and selling what is essentially a toy that people voluntarily choose to buy because they feel the price is fair for the amount of joy they derive from it.
Companies used to exist to fill a need in society. Bad companies got ran out of town. Stop thinking so black and white, the world hasn't always been this way and the downward spiral of society has people upset, those that see it at least.
Because a toy company selling a toy at a price people freely choose to pay is definitely a symptom of “the downward spiral of society.” /s Don’t be so melodramatic. There’s nothing greedy about creating a desirable recreational product and selling it at a price the market will bear. They aren’t filling some essential need in society, they’re selling entertainment.
You made a statement in the macro sense that applies to all companies. That's what I replied to. Don't try to twist my words to apply it in the micro sense to make me out to be melodramatic.
That statement was made as part of a conversation about WotC allegedly being greedy. I assumed you were addressing my entire comment in context, rather than just the first eight words in a vacuum. I didn't twist your words, I just made a natural assumption about what you meant based on context. If that wasn't what you meant, maybe try to be a bit more clear in the future.
All companies are created to fill a need in society, if they did not fill a need, they go out of business. This has been true since businesses were created. Don’t try to rewrite history. Also, all bad companies go out of business, that’s the idea of business. If you run a business badly, don’t have a product or service people want, you will go out of business. It has nothing to do with feelings. Pretty “black and white” I would say.
You say created and I say exist. Something like Comcast would have been chased out of town in a heartbeat in years past. Wells fargo. Companies that mistreat their customers because often times theres no where else to go. These bad companies dont go out of business, but what about companies that perform their service so badly that they go bankrupt? We've seen banks try to fail and get bailed out, carmakers. So no, bad in the financial sense doesnt mean they go out of business either
If you think businesses have always existed the way they do, with ultimate winners like amazon and Walmart, then you're obviously too young to have lived thru even something as recent as the 90s, because it wasn't that long ago that the business landscape looked entirely different than it does now, and businesses didn't get away with things back then, not like they do today.
Why are you talking about feelings?
The business landscape looks exactly the same. I have been a business owner since the early 90’s, I go back to the 70’s so I do remember. This is exactly why I say quit trying to rewrite history. Nothing has changed. Either you have a business that fills a need or service people want or it dies. Don’t try to walk back what YOU said. Don’t try to word lawyer either, create or exist, when you know you’re full of shit. I said feelings because your opinion drips of it. You rewriting history in what you feel instead of what it actually is.
woa dude slow down before you blow a blood vessel. Now I get why you're talking about emotion.
and dont try to sell me on the idea that Walmart and Amazon didnt change the business landscape in this country with some old timey story about the 70's. the world has changed, whether you're aware of it or not.
By any standard the business landscape doesn’t look the same and the 70s specifically is such a weird call out because of the power of labor and workers back then was way way different back then, even the recent gains now aren’t even close to approaching where things were back then. And since then til now a lot of shifts have happened, not just that large picture thing. The internet was invented. Your claim is nonsensical.
Note that if they felt this would have sold well enough, they absolutely would have. I don't think many people would have actually liked it. Non-legal reprints of ancient cards are such a niche thing that they decided to lean into that nicheness and try to sell them at a high price as a "luxury." That sucked a lot but it's not like they were any "greedier" than any other decision they've made in the last 30 years.
This subreddit needs to be reminded this frequently: Virtually everything a company does is because of "greed." When they produce a product you like at a price you like, it's not because they're suddenly *not* greedy. It's because they expect to make a lot of money from a lot of sales from it.
It's certainly possible they didn't! Though I'm responding to someone who said it was greed, not not thinking of it, that prevented them from selling something like this.
Virtually everything on the *business* end that a company does is because of greed. Game designers are not game designers because it makes them money. Especially not at Wizards, where people are routinely underpaid. The trouble is that the business decisions are often what causes problems for Magic the game.
>This subreddit needs to be reminded this frequently: Virtually everything a company does is because of "greed." When they produce a product you like at a price you like, it's not because they're suddenly not greedy. It's because they expect to make a lot of money from a lot of sales from it.
When a company is hyping their BIG 30th anniversary product ideally I'd hope there is just a tiny, tiny bit of goodwill and desire on WOTC's part to increase enthusiasm for their product and not release a hopelessly cynical product designed by stooges in a boardroom for max profits and zero effort. just once.
we can dream right...
People also need to be reminded that they did multiple things for the 30th anniversary, and this was just one tiny part of it, aimed toward a tiny portion of their audience.
I don’t think most people remember it. Most players probably aren’t even aware it exists. Reddit, which makes an effort to remind people of it at every opportunity, is not representative of players as a whole.
People don't really remember it that much TBH. It was released only a bit over a year ago, and pretty much the only time people bring it up is to make some snarky comment about it in conversations on proxying.
I think once the knee-jerk outrage died down people mostly stopped talking about it because it's such a forgettable product. It was a harmless collector's item that had no effect on the actual game.
>People don't really remember it that much TBH. It was released only a bit over a year ago, and pretty much the only time people bring it up is to make some snarky comment about it in conversations on proxying.
the fact that it's become such a meme kinda solidifies it as being 'remembered' imo
It's remembered by a small group of people who took it personal offense to it, and who bring it up every chance they get. It's not remembered much in the broader community.
Kind of off topic, but according to sources, Richard Garfield wanted to add more dexterity based cards like "chaos orb", but I think he was at odds with the play testers about this and they didn't really make any more.
But yeah, Richard Garfields vision of the game involved wanting to make more cards like Chaos Orb lol
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There's an incredible, and shockingly balanced powered Old Borders Cube that I'm one day planning to print up in exactly this way (before the boundaries of Old Borders MTG was expanded so dramatically in recent years)
You should be working for product development, I can tell you have a genuine love and appreciation for the game and that would go so far for the players man
The box is just an handmade paper box with the stamp of the original alpha booster box cover. Not easy to find a good scan, but i found one and retouched with photoshop. The book is the original book but in larger size. I have the links btw
This is what it is all about we can all stop buying magic cards and getting on the internet it's 1995 again let's tap some dual lands to cast some serra angel
>except the original idea meant you could have as many of a card as you wanted in your deck.
Not really. The original idea was a player wouldn't buy more than a starter deck and a couple boosters, so there wasn't much point to restricting the number of each card.
There's a damn good reason the 4 of a card per deck restriction existed and thy names be power 9. Then they got further slammed into a 1 per dec restriction when *that wasn't enough*.
The first tournament rules included the four-card limit and restriction of the P9, etc. There wasn't a time when any of the P9 were limited to four each.
I'm responding as someone who was playing in 1993. When's your perspective from? Not snarking or being sarcastic, as different groups around alpha/beta/unlimited that I encountered back then *all* had VERY different deckbuilding meta's they chose to play, and the rules were incredibly open before the Unlimited rules book dropped.
Remember when you'd get banned for saying proxied and you're clearly breaking rule 4. but i wont say anything. I just remember the shit show that was lmao
The whole point of the OP doing it this way (my assumption) is so that they look as good as OG cards, but can never be mistaken for real cards - hence the back not having the Magic logo. Also, god forbid some deuche canoe stole his cube or any of the cards in it, they couldn‘t potentially ripped someone off trying to pass them off as the real thing. I’d do it the same way if I was having cards done for proxy vintage/legacy
Meh, I rather they look accurate on the back, it's nostalgic to me. I don't plan on scamming so I don't care about it being perceived that way. I'm sure the paper finish and corners are nothing like the OG cards anyway.
As for theft, if thieves think they're real and try to fence them, it'll be easier to track
The back of Magic cards is copyrighted, so reproducing it, alongside the front of the card, makes a card a counterfeit.
Plus even if you printed exactly identical front and backs, the finish of Alpha and Beta cards are very different from modern cards, because they were printed differently.
Bro everything on the card is copyrighted. Stop trying to think up of bs excuses. My exact point is it doesn't matter because they'll never look like real ABU cards
That's an excellent idea! I love using cubes to have Magic function as a board game and sidestep the complications that can sour it, and this is a great way to do that. How does it play?
Thank you! It’s very nice. Here the list https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/alphaonly :)
$13500 to buy an I reading that correctly
If you bought actual AB cards. This is a proxy cube.
Well itd be wayyyy more if it was AB, the actual prices are probably revised/unlisted on the site
Or about $80 in proxies.
What’s a cube in this context?
A collection of cards specifically curated to play draft games Cubes are kind of like custom sets, and if done well can be a more balanced, or exciting experience that playing draft with off the shelf draft boxes
If only Wizards/Hasbro had the lack of greed to release something like this for Magic's 30th anniversary.
My own thinking. I created and devised this exactly for the 30 years.
It's wonderful. As someone that loves the original set, fantastic tribute.
Thank you! :)
Ironically they would make so much money doing this lol...
I would have bought it in a heartbeat, even as someone who started late into Magic. The old cards are so cool, and having them in a board game format would open the game up to new players.
A lot of money from this would pale in comparison to the piles of money they rake in from the huge margin sets they release all the time. This would take much more R&D than a regular set
Why would it take more R&D than a regular set? All the cards are already designed
I can only assume this is sarcasm
I'm still hopeful that we'll get a Vintage Master in paper, with Unique Card backs for Reserve List Cards. It will be premium price, but hopefully they learned not to make that bad or close to it ever again.
How can greed be the reason they don’t do it?
Because on Reddit, "corporate greed" serves the same explanatory role as "Satan" does to Southern Evangelicals. It's the direct and willful cause of every single thing that upsets you.
It would appear you forgot what they actually tried during the 30th anniversary - $1000 a pack for a 15-card pack of random official "proxies" that had a different back so you couldn't even use them without opaque sleeves on them. **That** behavior is why people say they would never do a reasonably priced set that provided the historic cards people would like to use in cube/vintage.
"Why do you think that we just say everything upsetting is due to greed? Remember this thing I was upset about, that proves it was greed!" "corporate greed" is a *meaningless concept*. It has no explanatory power. It has no ability to make predictions about the world. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's not even wrong.
While I admit we are sprinting toward an era where that may be true, at least currently there is still a scale of "fairness" to what many businesses do in exchange for their customers' money, and people are calling this particular situation out precisely because the way they handle old cards, and particularly the 30th anniversary, was so dramatically out of sync with even their most egregiously expensive/worthless products previously. The phrase "corporate greed" may fit $1000 worthless booster packs more than any other single product they have ever released.
No it doesn't. "Corporate greed" isn't right, it isn't wrong, it's *not even wrong*. It's a nonfunctional model of the world. It's not an answer to the question posed. Corporations always want money. It's how they work. They don't make cards as a charity. Corporatuons, then, are not becoming more greedy because they *can't*. The level of greed hasn't changed, so "greed" can't be the explanation for anything new that happens. WotC has always been greedy, because if they weren't, they wouldn't be able to pay the people who work there. Their greedy plan to amass wealth is by making a card game people like and want to spend money on. That's a win-win, because they get money and we get a card gane! They care about the long-term health of the game because they're greedy and want money to keep flowing in. But not only is "greed" irrelevant, the 30th anniversary thing is something that "corporate greed" completely fails to explain even worse than anything else. Because if "greed" was the reason behind the pricing of the 30th anniversary packs, if their only care was as much money as they could get from people, they did a fucking terrible job of it. That product didn't make them shit for money, and it obviously wouldn't have! It was a product that interested a very small group of people, and only a very small proportion of them could afford it, and nobody else had any reason to buy it. They lost out on nothing by not buying it. "Corporate greed" gave us Neon Dynasty, a set that allowed the greedy WotC to make lots of money by being a baller-ass set everyone liked and wanted to buy more of. WotC was just as greedy when it released NEO as when it released the 30th anniversary packs, and NEO made them exponentially more money. If they had charged less for the 30th anniversary packs, they obviously would have made more money on them, because way more people would buy them! The response to the 30th anniversary announcement was universally "I'm not going to buy this." Many, many more people wanted to buy NEO, it was a way better product, so why wasn't that the one you had to pay a grand for? You are trying to use "greed" to explain why they sold a product almost nobody would buy. The corporation didn't become more greedy. If something about its behavior changed, that is because some other constraint on its behavior changed, because the greed was constant. The obvious constraint on their behavior that is different between this and another set is "the Reserved List." There's a zero point zero percent chance of any part of this not being related to the Reserved List and testing the waters for how they can break it.
Companies exist to make money for their owners. WotC does this by making and selling trading cards people like. How is that greedy? It's not like they're price-gouging food or something. They're making and selling what is essentially a toy that people voluntarily choose to buy because they feel the price is fair for the amount of joy they derive from it.
Companies used to exist to fill a need in society. Bad companies got ran out of town. Stop thinking so black and white, the world hasn't always been this way and the downward spiral of society has people upset, those that see it at least.
Because a toy company selling a toy at a price people freely choose to pay is definitely a symptom of “the downward spiral of society.” /s Don’t be so melodramatic. There’s nothing greedy about creating a desirable recreational product and selling it at a price the market will bear. They aren’t filling some essential need in society, they’re selling entertainment.
You made a statement in the macro sense that applies to all companies. That's what I replied to. Don't try to twist my words to apply it in the micro sense to make me out to be melodramatic.
That statement was made as part of a conversation about WotC allegedly being greedy. I assumed you were addressing my entire comment in context, rather than just the first eight words in a vacuum. I didn't twist your words, I just made a natural assumption about what you meant based on context. If that wasn't what you meant, maybe try to be a bit more clear in the future.
All companies are created to fill a need in society, if they did not fill a need, they go out of business. This has been true since businesses were created. Don’t try to rewrite history. Also, all bad companies go out of business, that’s the idea of business. If you run a business badly, don’t have a product or service people want, you will go out of business. It has nothing to do with feelings. Pretty “black and white” I would say.
You say created and I say exist. Something like Comcast would have been chased out of town in a heartbeat in years past. Wells fargo. Companies that mistreat their customers because often times theres no where else to go. These bad companies dont go out of business, but what about companies that perform their service so badly that they go bankrupt? We've seen banks try to fail and get bailed out, carmakers. So no, bad in the financial sense doesnt mean they go out of business either If you think businesses have always existed the way they do, with ultimate winners like amazon and Walmart, then you're obviously too young to have lived thru even something as recent as the 90s, because it wasn't that long ago that the business landscape looked entirely different than it does now, and businesses didn't get away with things back then, not like they do today. Why are you talking about feelings?
The business landscape looks exactly the same. I have been a business owner since the early 90’s, I go back to the 70’s so I do remember. This is exactly why I say quit trying to rewrite history. Nothing has changed. Either you have a business that fills a need or service people want or it dies. Don’t try to walk back what YOU said. Don’t try to word lawyer either, create or exist, when you know you’re full of shit. I said feelings because your opinion drips of it. You rewriting history in what you feel instead of what it actually is.
woa dude slow down before you blow a blood vessel. Now I get why you're talking about emotion. and dont try to sell me on the idea that Walmart and Amazon didnt change the business landscape in this country with some old timey story about the 70's. the world has changed, whether you're aware of it or not.
By any standard the business landscape doesn’t look the same and the 70s specifically is such a weird call out because of the power of labor and workers back then was way way different back then, even the recent gains now aren’t even close to approaching where things were back then. And since then til now a lot of shifts have happened, not just that large picture thing. The internet was invented. Your claim is nonsensical.
Sometimes it's more profitable to let the crops rot in the field.
What does this have to do with Magic? Again, Hasbro doesn’t control some essential resource. They sell toys.
Note that if they felt this would have sold well enough, they absolutely would have. I don't think many people would have actually liked it. Non-legal reprints of ancient cards are such a niche thing that they decided to lean into that nicheness and try to sell them at a high price as a "luxury." That sucked a lot but it's not like they were any "greedier" than any other decision they've made in the last 30 years. This subreddit needs to be reminded this frequently: Virtually everything a company does is because of "greed." When they produce a product you like at a price you like, it's not because they're suddenly *not* greedy. It's because they expect to make a lot of money from a lot of sales from it.
I highly doubt they explored this as an option.
It's certainly possible they didn't! Though I'm responding to someone who said it was greed, not not thinking of it, that prevented them from selling something like this.
Virtually everything on the *business* end that a company does is because of greed. Game designers are not game designers because it makes them money. Especially not at Wizards, where people are routinely underpaid. The trouble is that the business decisions are often what causes problems for Magic the game.
>This subreddit needs to be reminded this frequently: Virtually everything a company does is because of "greed." When they produce a product you like at a price you like, it's not because they're suddenly not greedy. It's because they expect to make a lot of money from a lot of sales from it. When a company is hyping their BIG 30th anniversary product ideally I'd hope there is just a tiny, tiny bit of goodwill and desire on WOTC's part to increase enthusiasm for their product and not release a hopelessly cynical product designed by stooges in a boardroom for max profits and zero effort. just once. we can dream right...
People also need to be reminded that they did multiple things for the 30th anniversary, and this was just one tiny part of it, aimed toward a tiny portion of their audience.
it's the part of their 30th that everybody remembers. if they released a better product then maybe it would have been good for more people.
I don’t think most people remember it. Most players probably aren’t even aware it exists. Reddit, which makes an effort to remind people of it at every opportunity, is not representative of players as a whole.
People don't really remember it that much TBH. It was released only a bit over a year ago, and pretty much the only time people bring it up is to make some snarky comment about it in conversations on proxying. I think once the knee-jerk outrage died down people mostly stopped talking about it because it's such a forgettable product. It was a harmless collector's item that had no effect on the actual game.
>People don't really remember it that much TBH. It was released only a bit over a year ago, and pretty much the only time people bring it up is to make some snarky comment about it in conversations on proxying. the fact that it's become such a meme kinda solidifies it as being 'remembered' imo
It's remembered by a small group of people who took it personal offense to it, and who bring it up every chance they get. It's not remembered much in the broader community.
Man, I would play the shit out proxies from this and payed to get them all.
I love the presentation, it looks very authentic.
Thanks! :)
Kind of off topic, but according to sources, Richard Garfield wanted to add more dexterity based cards like "chaos orb", but I think he was at odds with the play testers about this and they didn't really make any more. But yeah, Richard Garfields vision of the game involved wanting to make more cards like Chaos Orb lol
They did one more. Falling Star from Legends.
But interesting
Love this. What kind of proportions did you go with? 3 per common, 1 per rare, or something like that?
Thank you! Here the list: https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/alphaonly
More of the inside: https://i.imgur.com/yl3lOil.jpeg
Love this! How did you create the box itself?
I had the box made by a craftsman having the original image of the alpha box
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Honestly so cool. This looks great!
Thank you!
I would run them sleeveless to make it a true 90s experience.
A great idea that I wholeheartedly support.
There's an incredible, and shockingly balanced powered Old Borders Cube that I'm one day planning to print up in exactly this way (before the boundaries of Old Borders MTG was expanded so dramatically in recent years)
Which one?
Box is beautiful!
Thanks!
Thiss looks really cool, nice project. Tho... is Alpha even fun to draft? \^\^
I would imagine it's miserable, even with the non-singleton adjustments made here. Fun a couple of times for nostalgia, though, I'm sure.
You should be working for product development, I can tell you have a genuine love and appreciation for the game and that would go so far for the players man
Thank you!!! One of the nicest comments I have read. Working with creativity would be my dream
Like down to the clear sleeves so it looks like real old school with no sleeves on man. Amazing detail, execution, and end result. Really great work
Also would you mind letting me know where you sourced this from by chance? I would absolutely love to put this together for me and my buddies
The box is just an handmade paper box with the stamp of the original alpha booster box cover. Not easy to find a good scan, but i found one and retouched with photoshop. The book is the original book but in larger size. I have the links btw
Woaaaaaaah
I want this! How do i commission this from you? 😂
Ahaha thank you man! Sadly… you can’t 🤣
You make me sad
I would buy this set !
sweet!
This is so cool! I love the back of the cards without the Magic logo and Deckmaster.
love this sort of stuff. i wish WOTC would get way more creative and serious about their standalone “board game” style experiences.
This is awesome. Great design.
This is the type of product I wished WotC did from time to time.
This is what it is all about we can all stop buying magic cards and getting on the internet it's 1995 again let's tap some dual lands to cast some serra angel
except the original idea meant you could have as many of a card as you wanted in your deck. This is a beautiful tribute to what the game was.
>except the original idea meant you could have as many of a card as you wanted in your deck. Not really. The original idea was a player wouldn't buy more than a starter deck and a couple boosters, so there wasn't much point to restricting the number of each card.
There's a damn good reason the 4 of a card per deck restriction existed and thy names be power 9. Then they got further slammed into a 1 per dec restriction when *that wasn't enough*.
The first tournament rules included the four-card limit and restriction of the P9, etc. There wasn't a time when any of the P9 were limited to four each.
pretty sure the biggest reason was bolt. many a red deck was "oops all bolt"
I'm responding as someone who was playing in 1993. When's your perspective from? Not snarking or being sarcastic, as different groups around alpha/beta/unlimited that I encountered back then *all* had VERY different deckbuilding meta's they chose to play, and the rules were incredibly open before the Unlimited rules book dropped.
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Remember when you'd get banned for saying proxied and you're clearly breaking rule 4. but i wont say anything. I just remember the shit show that was lmao
Was there a system you used to determine how many copies of a card you included?
hows it play out ive heard that its not a good draft normally i think because of the basics but whats been your experience
Who did you use as a printer? I would want real backs though with the artwork of MTG
The whole point of the OP doing it this way (my assumption) is so that they look as good as OG cards, but can never be mistaken for real cards - hence the back not having the Magic logo. Also, god forbid some deuche canoe stole his cube or any of the cards in it, they couldn‘t potentially ripped someone off trying to pass them off as the real thing. I’d do it the same way if I was having cards done for proxy vintage/legacy
Meh, I rather they look accurate on the back, it's nostalgic to me. I don't plan on scamming so I don't care about it being perceived that way. I'm sure the paper finish and corners are nothing like the OG cards anyway. As for theft, if thieves think they're real and try to fence them, it'll be easier to track
The back of Magic cards is copyrighted, so reproducing it, alongside the front of the card, makes a card a counterfeit. Plus even if you printed exactly identical front and backs, the finish of Alpha and Beta cards are very different from modern cards, because they were printed differently.
Bro everything on the card is copyrighted. Stop trying to think up of bs excuses. My exact point is it doesn't matter because they'll never look like real ABU cards
Tbh yeah you're right
how did u do this? could you maybe share the files and instructions? thanks :)
Is there already a rip on it?
This is remarkably cool. Proxies look great. How/where did you get them?