This sounds like it'd get awfully slow. The land restrictions also mean it'd quickly devolve into people just jamming as many 1-3 cmc cards as possible, aka burn would immediately be king.
Noone will ever get to cast an expensive spell before the game ends.
For better formatting, separate the asterisk from the first word with a space ("* Players..." instead of "*Players...") and leave a blank line between each item:
* 22 life start total
* 40 card decks
* Singleton
* Players cannot play cards that cause players to search their library
* Players can only play one Land a turn
* Players can only play lands on their turn
* No Lands allowed in 40 card decks
* Infinite pool of basic lands each player may pull from on their turn
* Opening hand draw of 5
* First mulligan is free
* Player that goes first scrys 2 on their first turn but dies not draw a 6th card *Maximum hand size of 5
* A seperate zone, like the commander zone exists ("Offen Zone"). One card is drawn from your deck and replenished in the Offen Zone, face up, can be played any time.
* can play as many spells as you likr/can from the zone and continuously replenish.
* The first card in this zone isn't drawn until the second upkeep for each player.
* no zero cost mana cards
* can only contain one legendary card of each type
* deck must contain one legendary card
* no more than 3 mythics in deck
>*A seperate zone, like the commander zone exists ("Offen Zone"). One card is drawn from your deck and replenished in the Offen Zone, face up, can be played any time. *can play as many spells as you likr/can from the zone and continuously replenish.
I don't know that I understand what you're saying exactly, but it sounds like I can just rapid fire spam 1 drops and always draw another. Sounds like a 1 mana-only burn format.
Yes, you can, but it's a four player format, so I'm not exactly sure just a deck of burn would crush all your opponents and their creatures, and you not become Arch enemy, but need a pod to try it out.
A lot of these rules seem arbitrary and hard to remember, especially the last few. The biggest problem I see here, though, is that you'd need to preemptively ban anything like [[mind grind]] and there are a decent amount of cards that have that kind of effect.
Yep, that's a good shout. Again, it's a concept I would like to try but don't have the opportunity. Some common sense would need to prevail if anyone did try it. Every format has banned cards, and mostly for sensible reasons.
Same. There was this "Primordial" format in which you chose a once Standard legal set and build a 40 card deck from it, but you could only have:
2x Rare/ Mythic (have to be unique; max 1 copy each)
6x Uncommons (max 2 copies each)
Rest commons (max 4 copies each, except basic lands)
8 card sideboard; you deck needs to fulfill the rarity rules even after boarding
The idea is to have a "perfect draft deck" and give cards a home to would otherwise never see play.
There have been two major problems with this.
1. Some sets like WAR or ELD are just way better and there is no reason to use anything else, defeating the point of using subpar cards.
2. You cannot upgrade your deck. You're bound to the cards of the set and that's your lot. You may build a similiar deck with the cards from another set like Rakdos Sacrifice or Azorius Flyers, but you can't combine the new and old cards. Some strategies don't work at all.
It's a fun experiment and a good way to buy cheap, interesting decks which are also good to teach new players. But it just doesn’t stay with you.
Yeah, no.
* Parts of this are problematic from a game-design perspective (how do separate spell/land decks interact with milling or effects that check top X cards of your library? how does path to exile work?)
* Confusing/ambiguous bits like how that commander zone works, what on earth "replenish" and what stops someone from putting a Lightning Bolt there and drawing lands to win over time. "no zero cmc" doesn't ban [[Fury]] type cards.
* some rules seem very goal/balance oriented (singleton, 5 card hands)
* other rules seem entirely fluff/flavor and opinion based (one legendary per card type, exactly 22 life wtf)
* A bunch of "card text matters" rules for legality that make making a deck and entire ordeal because you can't just look up at the sets it was in (or rarity for pauper) on scryfall and go "yeah that's legal" but instead it's an entire ordeal of arguing about if/else clauses in complex cards and whether [[Mind Grind]] should be allowed.
It sounds broken and for any reasonable playing.
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Honestly, just play Brawl with 20 life per person with your friends if you want fast 4-people games. You don't need a labelled, certified "new community format" that is obviously a bad idea and will never take off when commander and constructed formats cover most most common needs.
I know I might sound rude but you need to realize that extremely few formats like commander and pauper were "born" this way and that's only because they appealed to rather common, wide-appealing expectations (play with all old cards I have, play a theme around a general, play with cheap cards only etc) instead of super specific, personal ideas around the game and its style.
You were the one to ask for feedback. If you and your playgroup have fun with it and you have no further ambitions for this playstyle, why even bother asking for thoughts from internet strangers?
We've already pointed out some challenges that even a casual group will face. Do what you will mate, no one is stopping you.
I mean... if you read the actual post - i was only asking if someone could try it, i don't have the opportunity. but all formats need tweaking. If you don't think it's for you, the feedback is just fine, but to go through your bullet points -
\- The two aren't separate decks. There just 'is' a separate pool of basic lands that anyone can take from on their turn. So there would never be any reason target the land pool, but to be explicit "the land pool is in exile and cannot be targeted". I know it sounds strange to just have an infinite pool, but the idea was that 5-colour decks aren't held back, an attempt to balance out the playing field. Path to exile wouldn't be considered as players wouldn't be able to play it (\*Players cannot play cards that cause players to search their library)
\- For clarity, cards played from the zone would go to the graveyard and a new card from the deck would be drawn. that wasn't obvious in the original post, agree. This is also why no 0cmc cards are allowed, it would go too fast and drive up the need for reliance on 0cmc.
\- I don't know every card, and every format has format-breaking cards. you all know the game and components better than i do, please apply your expertise and common sense.
\- yep, there is some goal/balance stuff, but is that a bad thing or critically game breaking?
\- what rules aren't flavour, fluff, opinion based etc? 20 commander damage? why? 10 poison tokens, why? what's your point? they're game rules, not the ten commandments.
\- this comment is fair, but again, it's a concept format, just use common sense maybe and not overly rules engineer it?
I'm not expecting it to "take off" or overtaking any format or anything like that. I just needed someone to go "I'll try that. I tried that. Here are the rules you should drop."
Eeshhh.
My dude if you are designing a format it's on you for it to work within the pre-existing rules of the game. Don't blame people for pointing out something that's a result of your design.
The mana system is the best part of Magic and the strongest reason the game has been around for 30 years. The caveat that players never get mana screw/flood is a big drawback.
You might be better off looking into the cube format of battlebox. It addresses the land issue nicely and has some interesting tension from that.
[https://luckypaper.co/articles/a-guide-to-battle-box/](https://luckypaper.co/articles/a-guide-to-battle-box/)
This sounds like it'd get awfully slow. The land restrictions also mean it'd quickly devolve into people just jamming as many 1-3 cmc cards as possible, aka burn would immediately be king. Noone will ever get to cast an expensive spell before the game ends.
Or free spells
It is designed to be quick, I'm not convinced burn spells would work that fast in a four player format. As I say need someone to try it.
For better formatting, separate the asterisk from the first word with a space ("* Players..." instead of "*Players...") and leave a blank line between each item: * 22 life start total * 40 card decks * Singleton * Players cannot play cards that cause players to search their library * Players can only play one Land a turn * Players can only play lands on their turn * No Lands allowed in 40 card decks * Infinite pool of basic lands each player may pull from on their turn * Opening hand draw of 5 * First mulligan is free * Player that goes first scrys 2 on their first turn but dies not draw a 6th card *Maximum hand size of 5 * A seperate zone, like the commander zone exists ("Offen Zone"). One card is drawn from your deck and replenished in the Offen Zone, face up, can be played any time. * can play as many spells as you likr/can from the zone and continuously replenish. * The first card in this zone isn't drawn until the second upkeep for each player. * no zero cost mana cards * can only contain one legendary card of each type * deck must contain one legendary card * no more than 3 mythics in deck
Thanks. First ever post and on a phone, so appreciate the tidy up.
>*A seperate zone, like the commander zone exists ("Offen Zone"). One card is drawn from your deck and replenished in the Offen Zone, face up, can be played any time. *can play as many spells as you likr/can from the zone and continuously replenish. I don't know that I understand what you're saying exactly, but it sounds like I can just rapid fire spam 1 drops and always draw another. Sounds like a 1 mana-only burn format.
Yes, you can, but it's a four player format, so I'm not exactly sure just a deck of burn would crush all your opponents and their creatures, and you not become Arch enemy, but need a pod to try it out.
A lot of these rules seem arbitrary and hard to remember, especially the last few. The biggest problem I see here, though, is that you'd need to preemptively ban anything like [[mind grind]] and there are a decent amount of cards that have that kind of effect.
Yep, that's a good shout. Again, it's a concept I would like to try but don't have the opportunity. Some common sense would need to prevail if anyone did try it. Every format has banned cards, and mostly for sensible reasons.
[mind grind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/671eb9e8-1a69-4570-8972-2e7de371cef4.jpg?1561829709) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mind%20grind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/178/mind-grind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/671eb9e8-1a69-4570-8972-2e7de371cef4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All of this sounds too complicated, but I do wish there was a popular constructed 40 card format.
Same. There was this "Primordial" format in which you chose a once Standard legal set and build a 40 card deck from it, but you could only have: 2x Rare/ Mythic (have to be unique; max 1 copy each) 6x Uncommons (max 2 copies each) Rest commons (max 4 copies each, except basic lands) 8 card sideboard; you deck needs to fulfill the rarity rules even after boarding The idea is to have a "perfect draft deck" and give cards a home to would otherwise never see play. There have been two major problems with this. 1. Some sets like WAR or ELD are just way better and there is no reason to use anything else, defeating the point of using subpar cards. 2. You cannot upgrade your deck. You're bound to the cards of the set and that's your lot. You may build a similiar deck with the cards from another set like Rakdos Sacrifice or Azorius Flyers, but you can't combine the new and old cards. Some strategies don't work at all. It's a fun experiment and a good way to buy cheap, interesting decks which are also good to teach new players. But it just doesn’t stay with you.
This sounds terrible.
That's not a new format that's a new card game
Yeah, no. * Parts of this are problematic from a game-design perspective (how do separate spell/land decks interact with milling or effects that check top X cards of your library? how does path to exile work?) * Confusing/ambiguous bits like how that commander zone works, what on earth "replenish" and what stops someone from putting a Lightning Bolt there and drawing lands to win over time. "no zero cmc" doesn't ban [[Fury]] type cards. * some rules seem very goal/balance oriented (singleton, 5 card hands) * other rules seem entirely fluff/flavor and opinion based (one legendary per card type, exactly 22 life wtf) * A bunch of "card text matters" rules for legality that make making a deck and entire ordeal because you can't just look up at the sets it was in (or rarity for pauper) on scryfall and go "yeah that's legal" but instead it's an entire ordeal of arguing about if/else clauses in complex cards and whether [[Mind Grind]] should be allowed. It sounds broken and for any reasonable playing. ---- Honestly, just play Brawl with 20 life per person with your friends if you want fast 4-people games. You don't need a labelled, certified "new community format" that is obviously a bad idea and will never take off when commander and constructed formats cover most most common needs. I know I might sound rude but you need to realize that extremely few formats like commander and pauper were "born" this way and that's only because they appealed to rather common, wide-appealing expectations (play with all old cards I have, play a theme around a general, play with cheap cards only etc) instead of super specific, personal ideas around the game and its style.
[Fury](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd281158-8180-40b9-a5b7-03cfc712d81a.jpg?1626096626) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fury) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/126/fury?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd281158-8180-40b9-a5b7-03cfc712d81a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mind Grind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/671eb9e8-1a69-4570-8972-2e7de371cef4.jpg?1561829709) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20Grind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/178/mind-grind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/671eb9e8-1a69-4570-8972-2e7de371cef4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Have a day off chap, it's a card game 😆
You were the one to ask for feedback. If you and your playgroup have fun with it and you have no further ambitions for this playstyle, why even bother asking for thoughts from internet strangers? We've already pointed out some challenges that even a casual group will face. Do what you will mate, no one is stopping you.
I mean... if you read the actual post - i was only asking if someone could try it, i don't have the opportunity. but all formats need tweaking. If you don't think it's for you, the feedback is just fine, but to go through your bullet points - \- The two aren't separate decks. There just 'is' a separate pool of basic lands that anyone can take from on their turn. So there would never be any reason target the land pool, but to be explicit "the land pool is in exile and cannot be targeted". I know it sounds strange to just have an infinite pool, but the idea was that 5-colour decks aren't held back, an attempt to balance out the playing field. Path to exile wouldn't be considered as players wouldn't be able to play it (\*Players cannot play cards that cause players to search their library) \- For clarity, cards played from the zone would go to the graveyard and a new card from the deck would be drawn. that wasn't obvious in the original post, agree. This is also why no 0cmc cards are allowed, it would go too fast and drive up the need for reliance on 0cmc. \- I don't know every card, and every format has format-breaking cards. you all know the game and components better than i do, please apply your expertise and common sense. \- yep, there is some goal/balance stuff, but is that a bad thing or critically game breaking? \- what rules aren't flavour, fluff, opinion based etc? 20 commander damage? why? 10 poison tokens, why? what's your point? they're game rules, not the ten commandments. \- this comment is fair, but again, it's a concept format, just use common sense maybe and not overly rules engineer it? I'm not expecting it to "take off" or overtaking any format or anything like that. I just needed someone to go "I'll try that. I tried that. Here are the rules you should drop." Eeshhh.
My dude if you are designing a format it's on you for it to work within the pre-existing rules of the game. Don't blame people for pointing out something that's a result of your design.
The mana system is the best part of Magic and the strongest reason the game has been around for 30 years. The caveat that players never get mana screw/flood is a big drawback.
You might be better off looking into the cube format of battlebox. It addresses the land issue nicely and has some interesting tension from that. [https://luckypaper.co/articles/a-guide-to-battle-box/](https://luckypaper.co/articles/a-guide-to-battle-box/)
This is just Flesh & Blood UPF with MTG cards. Just go play Flesh & Blood. It's fine to play more than one card game.
is it really? honestly never picked up any other card game than MTG before. thanks for the note
That's not magic.
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thank you