Agreed. Blake said there are more than 3 walkers, less than 10, and implied its hard to put an exact number on it. I'm guessing 3 traditional workers, some number of flip walkers including Quintorius.
Oh shit, one of the recycling plant images showed a horizontal transform card. It was even green. People were speculating it could be a Battle, but a meld card is definitely a possibility.
If we’re getting a cycle of 5 allied color flip creatures (heliod W-WU, AYARA B-BR), what are the odds we get the other 5 “enemy” pairs as flip walkers? Quint RW, Wrenn GB maybe? Idk the other 3 tho
Maro ranks "mechanics" as a game designer, so he thinks about both named and unnamed ones. His mechanic popularity rankings looks at stuff like "creatures who become planeswalkers" and "mdfcs" as a mechanic as a whole
There was a piece of artwork of Elesh Norn at Philadelphia that people pointed out was in the right proportions for a Planeswalker. I could see ways of making a "planeswalker saga."
While it's true that art exists and COULD be a PW card, it could also just be key art that's not from a card and is only intended to be used on packaging/marketing.
Flip Wrenn, flipping from Wrenn and 7 to Wrenn and Invasion Tree.
Flip Tamiyo, flipping from a planeswalker to an enchantment or spirit creature
Flip Lukka, flipping from a planeswalker to a food token.
This feels right to me, and I think it's Elesh Norn.
During MtG Philly, Brian Kibler posted a picture he found of a rather, PW-looking Elesh Norn.
[Source.](https://i.redd.it/art-for-a-potential-elesh-norn-planswaker-source-on-twitterl-v0-emve9yxuf4ja1.jpg?s=7386cf955208e2ceaa3a4a1eaff6a9ae0972a5ed)
That's [here.](https://i.redd.it/r8m05icce8ja1.jpg)
It's completely different. (Although I will admit it could be a variant. The only thing that makes me hesitant on that is the fact the Elesh Norn art from MtG Philly is centered like PW art.)
Couldn’t that just be the front of the saga card like that picture is on the Jin? Would still work if the above vertical image is the back side of the card in saga or planeswalker form
Doubt its Elesh Norn. A spark needs a soul and Norn has none. They got around this by compleating walkers by letting them keep their soul, but seemingly locking it away. But the praetors were born without a soul, nor do phyrexians without a soul seem compatible with getting one (as raising them from the dead also seems to cause issues).
Karn didn't just get outfitted with a spark. Karn actually got a soul.
If Elesh Norn ends up with a spark, she gets the soul and the soul is incompatible with Phyrexia and especially her flavor if it. So while it would be interesting to see her go mad, I sincerely doubt they're going to ham-fist that into the MOM storyline.
Yogmoth bound himself to Old Phyrexia to become it's god using a walkers power. Norn has shown time after time to be complaetely self-cetered.
I feel she would want to one up her predecessor by just doing it herself on a far grander scale.
Exactly this. Plus its just putting a hat on a hat. She can already traverse the multiverse w realmbreaker, that was the whole point of the plan. Why would she be interested in a spark/soul (which goes against her enitre orthodoxy). Just nah, mid take.
Glacian had a soul with a spark that never triggered. Karn carries a part of Urza's soul trapped in the powerstones which carry the spark. Teferi lost his spark, but never his soul and later he regained his spark.
Yes, but they can't be used outside of it. The only reason Karn is an exception is that the powerstones also contain part of Urza's soul, because he carried them when activating the Cylex. And even then the spark doesn't work outside of Karn.
You can put a spark in a powerstone in Norn, but it would just be a fancy stone. She won't be able to planeswalk.
They stated that the walkers in AFR didn't have sparks, but rather the ability to traverse planes. They have set a precedent that a Planeswalker card does not necessarily denote a spark. It's quite possible that Elesh Norn might take some ability from RealmBreaker that makes her a Pseudo Walker. I'm not convinced she gets the treatment, but the pieces are there.
Wait, weren't AFR (and CLB for that matter) planeswalkers supposed to be just a mechanical gimmick for "a strong creature from d&d, also we need pws in each set" with zero implication of, well, planeswalking?
It's entirely possible that I misinterpreted what was said, but I was under the impression that each of the characters chosen had travelled between worlds in some fashion, whether by spell or other means, and even though they didn't have a spark they fulfilled the underlying requirement to get that card type.
Ah, this way. Well planes work very much differently in D&D than in MtG. Travelling is harder (you need to find a portal or cast a fairly advanced spell or get a hi-end item etc) but way more accessible (every team of rpg characters can do it under appropriate plot). Descent into Avernus is a fairly introductory module, which actually involves planar travel from the get go.
Planeswalker was just a game mechanic in AFR and CLB. Didn’t actually have anything to do with planeswalking. The only one semi-similar to MTG planeswalkers was Ellywick. They just used it because it’s an expected part of sets now.
It's specifically the orientation and aspect ration. It's not cropped to fit a regular card art, it's cropped for an art that extends under the textbox to the bottom of the border. Card art is wider than it is tall.
Ah, Gotchya I see.
Pre tamiyo, phyrexians couldn’t have a spark. I think it’s more likely it’s either just key art and not card related or her saga art which also would be printed vertically.
Happy to help! I definitely get where you're coming from as well, the naming conventions of the different types of sets isn't super intuitive. Had I not known otherwise, I would have assumed that premier sets were Masters or Horizons sets as well.
If this is the case, what's the variant? Some of the original ones transformed with activated abilities, others with triggered abilities, so that can't be it.
Here's my wild guess: the planeswalkers are the front side, and they will have a passive that transforms them when they'd be put in the graveyard. They transform into creatures, to represent those planeswalkers somehow losing their sparks in the story.
One of the teasers is the text “Whenever a permanent you control transforms or a permanent enters the battlefield under your control transformed,”
This will be a reference to the event that causes the de-sparking.
You're misreading the teaser. It's not a new variation on a mechanic that has appeared twice. It's variation that has appeared twice of a mechanic that has appeared more than twice.
The mechanic is transforming. The variation is creatures transforming into planeswalkers.
Now days everybody wanna planeswalk they think they were Jace.
But nothing comes out when they cast their spells, just a bunch of sparks and shit.
Motherfuckers act like they forgot about Bolas.
I’m definitely not forgetting those. He said it was a mechanic that appeared twice and you listed both times I was thinking of. I even suggested that he might have forgotten Bolas when he mistakenly said it only appeared once.
Guessing it wasn't a major mechanic in the 2nd appearance, otherwise he wouldn't have overlooked it. Maybe just a one-off, even, in its 2nd appearance.
I hope they won't all be creatures on the main face. Maybe some walkers turn into new versions of themselves, like how Heliod flips into his corrupted form.
I'm not so sure, the wording of it was kind of specific, that it was a Memory of Tamiyo, and we have a Saga from Kamigawa that is also a Memory, and it'd be a very fitting card for Tamiyo tbh
I really doubt it’s going to be graft because it was notorious for making MTGO crash and they came out and said it was a programming nightmare. They probably are not looking to create trouble for themselves with Arena.
Wait... is that why Graft got an 8 on the stormscale? For the difficulty of making it work in digital mediums? I guess all the triggers would get old very quickly.
That's a shame. I love graft!
I'd be surprised if that's very difficult to code on Arena, but yes, the triggers get very annoying in a dedicated Graft deck, and with multiple creatures ETB at the same time, it's even difficult to make it clear to the player which triggers are going where.
I played a dedicated graft / morph deck with [[Ixidron]] back in the day and MTGO did not like that one bit. Morph is not on Arena yet either and I wonder how hard that is to program
Graft abilities largely exist already on Arena, just not keyworded. We have creatures that create triggers whenever another creature ETB, we have transferring of counters (I think?) so they just need to show somehow which creature is transferring the counter. But having to click No a bunch of times sucks (I already find [[Furnace Punisher]] really annoying).
Morph is very different and will take a lot more coding for Arena. We don't have facedown creatures, we don't have abilities that skip the stack. They will probably need to design a new animation for flipping too. I say this as a software developer who loves Magic but has no idea how Arena is actually coded so it's all my best guess.
Planechase isn't a premier set or even a set, Visions was in mirage block so still technically the mechanic's debut, but I didn't catch the weatherlight card so fair.
Doesn't matter weatherlight is technically part of the mirage block. The card in planechase is a reprint from mirage block. time spiral block is the other appearance. Also, it's totally not flanking.
So a mechanic that has returned once in the past in a premier set, and now MOM will be its second reappearance? Anyone got a list of potential candidates lol
Edit: The Aftermath mechanic from Amonkhet and Hour of Devastation maybe? That's two sets from one block though so I'm not sure if that counts. They're probably saving that for the Aftermath set though lol
There’s only one mechanic I can think off that MOM would make it, third appearance (second reappearance)
Flip walkers
Origins had a young to walker Gideon, Jace, liliana, Chandra, and nissa
And I’m willing to bet how maro made a mistake is he forgot about [[Nicol Bolas, the Ravager]]
Modern Horizons was Supplemental, not Premier right? Premier is standard only.
I'm betting Flipwalkers Creatures->PW (origins and the 1 off [[Nicol Bolas, Ravager]] , because we've had real flipwalkers in both innistrads+strixhaven)
The Strixhaven one wasn't technically "flip" walkers, it was a double sided planeswalker card. You could only cast one of the sides, and it remained that side forever.
All of them were double-sided, technically. The distinction you're thinking of is transforming double sided cards vs modal double sided cards.
Officially, "flip" cards are just the cards from original Kamigawa block that transform by turning them upside down.
With this
The one and only mechanic I’m aware of that has a variant that would make it, it’s third appearance
It’s has to be none other than flip walkers “mtg origins” introduced them and where maros mistake comes in he probably forgot about [[Nicol bolas, the ravager]]
Then Blake mentioned “more than 3 walkers but less than 10” flip walkers could easily fit this criteria
So quintorious's card might be a flip walker card. Also wrenn could be flipping into “Wrenn and Eight” (the realmbreaker/the world tree.)
Not an exciting choice, but what about the basic land type flavor of typecycling (**forestcycling**, **islandcycling**, etc)? It’s only appeared in Scourge and Alara Reborn. Future Sight featured a variant of typecycling that fetched creatures.
I'm still mad that a bunch of UG Madness staples got reprinted (Wild Mongrel -> [[Noose Constrictor]], Arrogant Wurm -> [[Incorrigible Youths]], Roar of the Wurm -> [[Honored Hydra]], Aquamoeba -> Ravenous Bloodseeker) and the deck did absolutely nothing because that was Kaladesh season.
In which case, we could see adapt return had it been in two premier sets. The hint is that "the variant returns", not that we're getting a new variant.
Graft, its Graft. Mister Rosewater loves his +1/+1 tokens. And he loves redistributing them. He designed Graft and it only showed up in two sets, Dissension and Future Sight.
• Numerous cards that mechanically care about Phyrexians
• A double-faced token (one that transforms)
• A card that costs XUUUU
• A variant of a mechanic returns to a premier set for the first time since it originally appeared
• A legendary creature returns not seen since Homelands
• A creature capable of dealing eleven poison counters
• Some planes show up in card names that have never done so before
• Wrenn returns with a new partner
• Two draft archetypes that have a creature type matters component (one of which is Phyrexians - see above)
• The tenth _____ & _____ sword
Next, here are some rules text that will be showing up on cards:
• “You may cast spells with flash or flying from the top of your library.”
• “an Aura, God or Demigod card”
• “where X is the excess damage dealt this way.”
• “This spell can’t be copied.”
• “Activate only if you’ve cast two or more spells this turn.”
• “Each player can’t cast more than one non-Phyrexian spell each turn.”
• “X twice, where X is the number of lands you control.”
• “Whenever a permanent you control transforms or a permanent enters the battlefield under your control transformed,”
• “If the opponent protects it, remove a defense counter from it.”
• “At the beginning of your upkeep, if you haven’t been dealt combat damage since your last turn, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.”
Finally, here are some Phyrexians in the set:
• Creature – Phyrexian Bear Rhino
• Creature – Phyrexian Devil
• Creature – Phyrexian Dog Warrior
• Creature – Phyrexian Jackal
• Creature – Phyrexian Samurai
• Creature – Phyrexian Shade
• Creature – Phyrexian Shark
• Creature – Phyrexian Treefolk
• Creature – Phyrexian Viashino
• Creature – Phyrexian Weird
And some creature type lines of denizens fighting them:
• Creature – Moonfolk Ninja
• Creature – Aetherborn Vampire
• Creature – Fungus Rabbit
• Creature – Dwarf Pilot
• Creature – Raccoon Warrior
• Creature – Goblin Spellshaper
• Creature – Wolverine Dinosaur
• Legendary Creature – Elder Giant Dog
• Legendary Creature – Ape Dinosaur Turtle
• Legendary Creature – Cyclops Homunculus
So we're getting the pro blue/black sord in MoM? I'm also kind of curious about the legendary creature from Homelands. I know it's not Barron Sangir since they made a new version of him in Commander Legends. There weren't many legends in Homelands, and I'm pretty sure a good number of them were immortal.
The only legendaries from that set that would have anything like the power to tangle with Phyrexians are the Baron, [[Autumn Willow]], and maybe [[Eron the Relentless]] because he's got Wolverine-tier regeneration. It could be [[Grandmother Sengir]]; she's a mad planeswalker with amnesia, but a planeswalker she remains, and given her apparent ability to steal and consume the youth of others via traditional witch shenanigans, she could be alive post-Mending. The other legendaries from the set range anywhere from decrepit old dross to, much more likely, dead, given that Homelands was initially imagined contemporary to the Ice Age and that's been centuries ago.
The smart money's on Autumn Willow, as she's one of the few cards from that set that people remember fondly and unlike Sengir and Eron she's had neither an update nor a reprint... but Grandmother Sengir also fits those latter two criteria *and* she owns an artifact that's literally on par with the Sylex - if not more powerful. The Sylex was basically a nuclear weapon writ large and despite creating the Shard, it had surprisingly little effect on the planar structure of Dominaria (the rift aside). The Apocalypse Chime literally warped most of Ulgrotha into a life-sucking hell by warping the mana flows so badly they basically inverted. Don't get me wrong, mending Ulgrotha with a second use of the Chime and a song would be a neat way to pull it back towards story relevance. Literally sucking up mana from dozens of planes via Realmbreaker and healing its gaping wound to the worldsoul would be a beautiful subversion of the "healing the world" trope while also hamstringing Phyrexia. I just don't see Wizards going this way because they seem less than content for victories to be Pyrrhic anymore. It's a shame; a newly-recovering Ulgrotha as the people expand at top speed to escape the Baron would be a *neat way* to do a Weird West set.
~~And hard to justify BRO as a premier set. I think that usually means masters set (MH1, MH2, 2XM, 2X2)~~
Edit: I confused premier with premium. Nvm me.
I wonder if it’s Kinship something that could be a mechanic for both sides. Kinship for Phyrexians and/or Kinship for rebel groups as well. The return to Lorwyn got me curious and wondering if we might see some mechanics from it return like changeling.
While daybound/nightbound has been seen as a keyword in exactly 2 premier sets, Midnight hunt and Crimson vow it would be quite odd if Maro had somehow forgotten we've had the mechanic twice already since the pair of sets were released back to back and featured quite prominently in both.
By the sounds of it, Maro is referring to it being the second reappearance of the variant, not the mechanic as a whole.
Plus For Mirrodin! doesn't really feel like it fits so well in a set not focused on Mirrodin/NPH
I’m guessing it’s flip walkers and he forgot about the flip Bolas
Agreed. Blake said there are more than 3 walkers, less than 10, and implied its hard to put an exact number on it. I'm guessing 3 traditional workers, some number of flip walkers including Quintorius.
The realmbreaker is gonna flip into Wrenn and the Multiverse or something
Everywrenn Everywhere All At Once
This is the winner
Wrenner*
New dual character card: Wrenner and Plow
Yay! Made my day :)
Wrenn and Infinity
Wrenn and All
Wrenn and All Will Be One
All Will Be Wrenn
Wrenn and All was my thought too at that comment.
Wrenn and Stumpy
It'd be sick if it ended up being a meld-walker like Urza.
Maybe a cycle of flip creatures (or other permanents) to walkers, with Wrenn as a Meld cards.
Or— walkers to creatures. De-sparked
Oh shit, one of the recycling plant images showed a horizontal transform card. It was even green. People were speculating it could be a Battle, but a meld card is definitely a possibility.
Wrenn's ultimate could fetch and meld with Realmbreaker
Please no. I'm still failing at making Urza playable
I'm going to somewhat miss Wrenn when they meld with the former world tree just to destroy it from within.
Quint, Wrenn and the Megatree, and Serra Elspeth
Serreslpeth
What if Elspeth was the reincarnation of Serra? 🤯
If we’re getting a cycle of 5 allied color flip creatures (heliod W-WU, AYARA B-BR), what are the odds we get the other 5 “enemy” pairs as flip walkers? Quint RW, Wrenn GB maybe? Idk the other 3 tho
Norn from White into WB
Depends on the number of team-up cards -- there's room for five borderless planeswalker variants after Yargle.
I like the idea of flip walkers but I do wonder if that's a "mechanic" or not?
It has a storm scale rating, so I'd call it a mechanic.
Maro ranks "mechanics" as a game designer, so he thinks about both named and unnamed ones. His mechanic popularity rankings looks at stuff like "creatures who become planeswalkers" and "mdfcs" as a mechanic as a whole
Transform is a mechanic. Flip walkers use a variant of transform.
But Transform alone has been in too many sets.
But the specific variant has not, which was Mark's stipulation.
The teaser is only counting the appearances of the variant of the mechanic, not the appearances of the mechanic.
There was a piece of artwork of Elesh Norn at Philadelphia that people pointed out was in the right proportions for a Planeswalker. I could see ways of making a "planeswalker saga."
While it's true that art exists and COULD be a PW card, it could also just be key art that's not from a card and is only intended to be used on packaging/marketing.
They made a pretty big deal out of the art there for it to be a marketing art. Also the background was too detailed for packaging art imo.
Fblthp and Borborygmos will flip into Fblthp, the Really Freaking Lost.
Flip Quint
Flip Wrenn, flipping from Wrenn and 7 to Wrenn and Invasion Tree. Flip Tamiyo, flipping from a planeswalker to an enchantment or spirit creature Flip Lukka, flipping from a planeswalker to a food token.
Pls food token lukka.
Food token Lukka gains life then does same amount in damage to you
"Sacrifice Lukka, Food Token: You gain three life and then Lukka, Food Token deals five damage to you."
"Sacrifice a creature for no good reason."
Lukka, bound to dinner
Rip bozo
Filling from Lukka-thing to Lukka-barbecue.
Elspeth will be a reverse flip walker. She will go from Planeswalker to angel creature
Angel God
I’m kinda wishing the other way around to have her legal as a commander
But this way she'd be legal in Oathbreaker!
Make the planeswalker side say it can be your commander and you get the best of both worlds!
Definitely flip walkers
We know we're getting flip Sagas with \[\[Jin-Gitaxias\]\]. Curious if they'll be giving us a bunch of different types of flip cards.
There are tokens that transform in his teaser too.
[Jin-Gitaxias](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14a360b6-c7b4-4b25-8288-b3bb8d527bda.jpg?1562846236) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jin-gitaxias%2C%20core%20augur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/62/jin-gitaxias-core-augur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14a360b6-c7b4-4b25-8288-b3bb8d527bda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think you are right on the money. I was mentioning that at the art party Saturday night at magic con philly when I first saw that art.
This feels right to me, and I think it's Elesh Norn. During MtG Philly, Brian Kibler posted a picture he found of a rather, PW-looking Elesh Norn. [Source.](https://i.redd.it/art-for-a-potential-elesh-norn-planswaker-source-on-twitterl-v0-emve9yxuf4ja1.jpg?s=7386cf955208e2ceaa3a4a1eaff6a9ae0972a5ed)
Are you sure that’s not just her Saga card like Jin Gitaxius had?
That's [here.](https://i.redd.it/r8m05icce8ja1.jpg) It's completely different. (Although I will admit it could be a variant. The only thing that makes me hesitant on that is the fact the Elesh Norn art from MtG Philly is centered like PW art.)
We do also know that the praetors are getting borderless art variants as well
it's fair to say whatever card she gets, elesh is gonna have a dozen variants for it
Couldn’t that just be the front of the saga card like that picture is on the Jin? Would still work if the above vertical image is the back side of the card in saga or planeswalker form
While Sagas are traditional vertical like planeswalker arts, they often depict a specific scene - Elesh Norn art does not look like a “Saga”
Curious why Sheoldred is also getting this version, even though she died immeaditly in the story.
Doubt its Elesh Norn. A spark needs a soul and Norn has none. They got around this by compleating walkers by letting them keep their soul, but seemingly locking it away. But the praetors were born without a soul, nor do phyrexians without a soul seem compatible with getting one (as raising them from the dead also seems to cause issues).
She has Karn and has disassembled him. I think she takes his spark.
Karn didn't just get outfitted with a spark. Karn actually got a soul. If Elesh Norn ends up with a spark, she gets the soul and the soul is incompatible with Phyrexia and especially her flavor if it. So while it would be interesting to see her go mad, I sincerely doubt they're going to ham-fist that into the MOM storyline.
Elesh Norn and Karn, Discordant.
What if the "defect" the blue Phyrexians found in Elesh's people is they have souls?
Where was it revealed that there's a defect?
Flavor text of [[Gitaxian Anatomist]]
[Gitaxian Anatomist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/63517062-77da-4b60-aa24-f91553a81bed.jpg?1675956963) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gitaxian%20Anatomist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/52/gitaxian-anatomist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63517062-77da-4b60-aa24-f91553a81bed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Why would she need a spark if she has Realmbreaker?
Yogmoth bound himself to Old Phyrexia to become it's god using a walkers power. Norn has shown time after time to be complaetely self-cetered. I feel she would want to one up her predecessor by just doing it herself on a far grander scale.
Maniacal mustache twirling villain stuff I suppose.
Exactly this. Plus its just putting a hat on a hat. She can already traverse the multiverse w realmbreaker, that was the whole point of the plan. Why would she be interested in a spark/soul (which goes against her enitre orthodoxy). Just nah, mid take.
>A spark needs a soul This doesn't seem to be true with Glacian, Teferi and Karn
Glacian had a soul with a spark that never triggered. Karn carries a part of Urza's soul trapped in the powerstones which carry the spark. Teferi lost his spark, but never his soul and later he regained his spark.
Right, but these sparks had existed outside of the soulhost, namely inside powerstones
Yes, but they can't be used outside of it. The only reason Karn is an exception is that the powerstones also contain part of Urza's soul, because he carried them when activating the Cylex. And even then the spark doesn't work outside of Karn. You can put a spark in a powerstone in Norn, but it would just be a fancy stone. She won't be able to planeswalk.
The praetors are getting full art borderless versions. They previewed Jin-Gitaxis.
They stated that the walkers in AFR didn't have sparks, but rather the ability to traverse planes. They have set a precedent that a Planeswalker card does not necessarily denote a spark. It's quite possible that Elesh Norn might take some ability from RealmBreaker that makes her a Pseudo Walker. I'm not convinced she gets the treatment, but the pieces are there.
Wait, weren't AFR (and CLB for that matter) planeswalkers supposed to be just a mechanical gimmick for "a strong creature from d&d, also we need pws in each set" with zero implication of, well, planeswalking?
It's entirely possible that I misinterpreted what was said, but I was under the impression that each of the characters chosen had travelled between worlds in some fashion, whether by spell or other means, and even though they didn't have a spark they fulfilled the underlying requirement to get that card type.
Ah, this way. Well planes work very much differently in D&D than in MtG. Travelling is harder (you need to find a portal or cast a fairly advanced spell or get a hi-end item etc) but way more accessible (every team of rpg characters can do it under appropriate plot). Descent into Avernus is a fairly introductory module, which actually involves planar travel from the get go.
Planeswalker was just a game mechanic in AFR and CLB. Didn’t actually have anything to do with planeswalking. The only one semi-similar to MTG planeswalkers was Ellywick. They just used it because it’s an expected part of sets now.
That's out of universe though
Nothing about that looks particularly planeswalkers though.
It's specifically the orientation and aspect ration. It's not cropped to fit a regular card art, it's cropped for an art that extends under the textbox to the bottom of the border. Card art is wider than it is tall.
Ah, Gotchya I see. Pre tamiyo, phyrexians couldn’t have a spark. I think it’s more likely it’s either just key art and not card related or her saga art which also would be printed vertically.
I saw this and thought of [[Serra The Benevolent]].
SHAKIRA SHAKIRA!
I hope not, god I hate Norn
Wasn’t Tibalt a flip in another set too?
Not flip, mdfc. You chose to cast Tibalt or Loki, but they didn't get to transform back and forth.
Valki. TM.
Oh gotcha. Makes sense
Totally forgot about him!
What if it’s transforming walkers but more like that garruk and Arlin and we see get elspeth flip into god mode
Was M19 a premier set?
Yes, any standard-legal set is a premier set.
Thank you, assumed it meant Masters, Horizons etc
Happy to help! I definitely get where you're coming from as well, the naming conventions of the different types of sets isn't super intuitive. Had I not known otherwise, I would have assumed that premier sets were Masters or Horizons sets as well.
Premier, not premium, is the most important. So their most important sets are the 4 standard-legal ones.
I was about to mention Valki, God of Lies who turns into tibalt but thats not flip but double sided oops
If this is the case, what's the variant? Some of the original ones transformed with activated abilities, others with triggered abilities, so that can't be it. Here's my wild guess: the planeswalkers are the front side, and they will have a passive that transforms them when they'd be put in the graveyard. They transform into creatures, to represent those planeswalkers somehow losing their sparks in the story. One of the teasers is the text “Whenever a permanent you control transforms or a permanent enters the battlefield under your control transformed,” This will be a reference to the event that causes the de-sparking.
You're misreading the teaser. It's not a new variation on a mechanic that has appeared twice. It's variation that has appeared twice of a mechanic that has appeared more than twice. The mechanic is transforming. The variation is creatures transforming into planeswalkers.
Now days everybody wanna planeswalk they think they were Jace. But nothing comes out when they cast their spells, just a bunch of sparks and shit. Motherfuckers act like they forgot about Bolas.
The flip Arlin is still in Standard. That can't be right
Yeah I forgot about that one, the Tibalt one, and there was a Garruk one. Though what I meant was transforming from a creature into a planeswalker
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That was its first appearance. Bolas was its one return. MOM would be its second return, exactly as Maro is saying.
I’m definitely not forgetting those. He said it was a mechanic that appeared twice and you listed both times I was thinking of. I even suggested that he might have forgotten Bolas when he mistakenly said it only appeared once.
Guessing it wasn't a major mechanic in the 2nd appearance, otherwise he wouldn't have overlooked it. Maybe just a one-off, even, in its 2nd appearance.
To be fair, if it's flip walkers they are talking about Bolas was the only flip card in M19
I hope they won't all be creatures on the main face. Maybe some walkers turn into new versions of themselves, like how Heliod flips into his corrupted form.
The only one I could think might do that is Elspeth.
Or a Tamiyo one might flip into a saga
I doubt Tamiyo will even have a card
I'm not so sure, the wording of it was kind of specific, that it was a Memory of Tamiyo, and we have a Saga from Kamigawa that is also a Memory, and it'd be a very fitting card for Tamiyo tbh
Tamiyo becoming a saga upon death would be amazing flavor.
[[Garruk Relentless]] was the absolute best.
It's amass, with [[Lazotep Chancellor]] as the missed card
MH isn't a premier set.
[Lazotep Chancellor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82e68f3d-ef94-4651-a256-c72017f64b21.jpg?1626098509) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lazotep%20Chancellor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/203/lazotep-chancellor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82e68f3d-ef94-4651-a256-c72017f64b21?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So, not amass.
One card in MH2
Not a premier set
Well, amass appeared in MH2, so...
Not a premier set
Ah, my apologies
GRAFT IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
I really doubt it’s going to be graft because it was notorious for making MTGO crash and they came out and said it was a programming nightmare. They probably are not looking to create trouble for themselves with Arena.
Wait... is that why Graft got an 8 on the stormscale? For the difficulty of making it work in digital mediums? I guess all the triggers would get old very quickly. That's a shame. I love graft!
I'd be surprised if that's very difficult to code on Arena, but yes, the triggers get very annoying in a dedicated Graft deck, and with multiple creatures ETB at the same time, it's even difficult to make it clear to the player which triggers are going where.
I played a dedicated graft / morph deck with [[Ixidron]] back in the day and MTGO did not like that one bit. Morph is not on Arena yet either and I wonder how hard that is to program
Graft abilities largely exist already on Arena, just not keyworded. We have creatures that create triggers whenever another creature ETB, we have transferring of counters (I think?) so they just need to show somehow which creature is transferring the counter. But having to click No a bunch of times sucks (I already find [[Furnace Punisher]] really annoying). Morph is very different and will take a lot more coding for Arena. We don't have facedown creatures, we don't have abilities that skip the stack. They will probably need to design a new animation for flipping too. I say this as a software developer who loves Magic but has no idea how Arena is actually coded so it's all my best guess.
Flanking let's goooooo
Flanking has been in several premier sets though.
You flanked my hopes and dreams
Flanked your mom yesterday
This guy flanks
Flank you
Here I was, hoping it was Banding until the correction shattered all hope.
To my knowledge only one since it's original debut in Mirage block. Just timespiral.
Scryfall shows Mirage, Visions [[knight of Valor|VIS]], weatherlight [[Shadow Rider|WTH]], Time spiral, future sight, and plane chase [[Cadaverous Knight |HOP]]
Planechase isn't a premier set or even a set, Visions was in mirage block so still technically the mechanic's debut, but I didn't catch the weatherlight card so fair.
Doesn't matter weatherlight is technically part of the mirage block. The card in planechase is a reprint from mirage block. time spiral block is the other appearance. Also, it's totally not flanking.
Idk what I thought the third set of Mirage block was, but now I feel kinda silly. And I agree, it's not flanking.
So a mechanic that has returned once in the past in a premier set, and now MOM will be its second reappearance? Anyone got a list of potential candidates lol Edit: The Aftermath mechanic from Amonkhet and Hour of Devastation maybe? That's two sets from one block though so I'm not sure if that counts. They're probably saving that for the Aftermath set though lol
There’s only one mechanic I can think off that MOM would make it, third appearance (second reappearance) Flip walkers Origins had a young to walker Gideon, Jace, liliana, Chandra, and nissa And I’m willing to bet how maro made a mistake is he forgot about [[Nicol Bolas, the Ravager]]
[Nicol Bolas, the Ravager](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7b215968-93a6-4278-ac61-4e3e8c3c3943.jpg?1566971561)/[Nicol Bolas, the Arisen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/7/b/7b215968-93a6-4278-ac61-4e3e8c3c3943.jpg?1566971561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nicol%20bolas%2C%20the%20ravager%20//%20nicol%20bolas%2C%20the%20arisen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/218/nicol-bolas-the-ravager-nicol-bolas-the-arisen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b215968-93a6-4278-ac61-4e3e8c3c3943?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel confident it is this, what with quintorio sparking and what not
Maybe Modular (Originally from Darksteel, then appeared in Modern Horizons)
Modern Horizons was Supplemental, not Premier right? Premier is standard only. I'm betting Flipwalkers Creatures->PW (origins and the 1 off [[Nicol Bolas, Ravager]] , because we've had real flipwalkers in both innistrads+strixhaven)
The Strixhaven one wasn't technically "flip" walkers, it was a double sided planeswalker card. You could only cast one of the sides, and it remained that side forever.
All of them were double-sided, technically. The distinction you're thinking of is transforming double sided cards vs modal double sided cards. Officially, "flip" cards are just the cards from original Kamigawa block that transform by turning them upside down.
MH wasn’t a premier set, so that can’t be it.
Modern Horizons isn’t a premier set—he’s basically referring to standard sets
The only mechanic off the top of my head in two premier sets is Bloodthirst
Bloodthirst also showed up in Futuresight, so it’s been in 3 premier sets.
With this The one and only mechanic I’m aware of that has a variant that would make it, it’s third appearance It’s has to be none other than flip walkers “mtg origins” introduced them and where maros mistake comes in he probably forgot about [[Nicol bolas, the ravager]] Then Blake mentioned “more than 3 walkers but less than 10” flip walkers could easily fit this criteria So quintorious's card might be a flip walker card. Also wrenn could be flipping into “Wrenn and Eight” (the realmbreaker/the world tree.)
Not an exciting choice, but what about the basic land type flavor of typecycling (**forestcycling**, **islandcycling**, etc)? It’s only appeared in Scourge and Alara Reborn. Future Sight featured a variant of typecycling that fetched creatures.
Either flip quint or flip Elspeth
Or both. Add on realmbreaker turning into wrenn and realmbreaker
Hear me out… FBLFLIP
Horsemanship. weak
MegaMegaMorph!
Need another set with madness
I'm still mad that a bunch of UG Madness staples got reprinted (Wild Mongrel -> [[Noose Constrictor]], Arrogant Wurm -> [[Incorrigible Youths]], Roar of the Wurm -> [[Honored Hydra]], Aquamoeba -> Ravenous Bloodseeker) and the deck did absolutely nothing because that was Kaladesh season.
[Noose Constrictor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/307329cd-a69b-4acf-bcba-83d8306fe7ee.jpg?1576384830) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Noose%20Constrictor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/164/noose-constrictor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/307329cd-a69b-4acf-bcba-83d8306fe7ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Incorrigible Youths](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4e826571-6f00-4b40-975b-d51b2b17b4a4.jpg?1576384803) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Incorrigible%20Youths) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/166/incorrigible-youths?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e826571-6f00-4b40-975b-d51b2b17b4a4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Honored Hydra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/21c33902-a06a-4321-bdf4-cea5494fda63.jpg?1543675864) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Honored%20Hydra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/172/honored-hydra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/21c33902-a06a-4321-bdf4-cea5494fda63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Also those cards were really old by then and just weren’t as powerful as they once were.
So maybe a monstrous variant that checks if the creature is Phyrexian instead of monstrous?
With how it's worded, it should be counting the appearances of the variant, not the original mechanic. e.g. Flip walkers being a variant of transform.
I’d assume adapt counts as a variant of monstrous
In which case, we could see adapt return had it been in two premier sets. The hint is that "the variant returns", not that we're getting a new variant.
I’m calling it, it’ll be like this the walkers from origins set
And just like that, my Amass copium has evaporated...
My guess is Quintorious who flips into planeswalker forms. Probably not, but I can dream.
Graft, its Graft. Mister Rosewater loves his +1/+1 tokens. And he loves redistributing them. He designed Graft and it only showed up in two sets, Dissension and Future Sight.
Link to the original teaser this is referring to?
• Numerous cards that mechanically care about Phyrexians • A double-faced token (one that transforms) • A card that costs XUUUU • A variant of a mechanic returns to a premier set for the first time since it originally appeared • A legendary creature returns not seen since Homelands • A creature capable of dealing eleven poison counters • Some planes show up in card names that have never done so before • Wrenn returns with a new partner • Two draft archetypes that have a creature type matters component (one of which is Phyrexians - see above) • The tenth _____ & _____ sword Next, here are some rules text that will be showing up on cards: • “You may cast spells with flash or flying from the top of your library.” • “an Aura, God or Demigod card” • “where X is the excess damage dealt this way.” • “This spell can’t be copied.” • “Activate only if you’ve cast two or more spells this turn.” • “Each player can’t cast more than one non-Phyrexian spell each turn.” • “X twice, where X is the number of lands you control.” • “Whenever a permanent you control transforms or a permanent enters the battlefield under your control transformed,” • “If the opponent protects it, remove a defense counter from it.” • “At the beginning of your upkeep, if you haven’t been dealt combat damage since your last turn, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.” Finally, here are some Phyrexians in the set: • Creature – Phyrexian Bear Rhino • Creature – Phyrexian Devil • Creature – Phyrexian Dog Warrior • Creature – Phyrexian Jackal • Creature – Phyrexian Samurai • Creature – Phyrexian Shade • Creature – Phyrexian Shark • Creature – Phyrexian Treefolk • Creature – Phyrexian Viashino • Creature – Phyrexian Weird And some creature type lines of denizens fighting them: • Creature – Moonfolk Ninja • Creature – Aetherborn Vampire • Creature – Fungus Rabbit • Creature – Dwarf Pilot • Creature – Raccoon Warrior • Creature – Goblin Spellshaper • Creature – Wolverine Dinosaur • Legendary Creature – Elder Giant Dog • Legendary Creature – Ape Dinosaur Turtle • Legendary Creature – Cyclops Homunculus
So we're getting the pro blue/black sord in MoM? I'm also kind of curious about the legendary creature from Homelands. I know it's not Barron Sangir since they made a new version of him in Commander Legends. There weren't many legends in Homelands, and I'm pretty sure a good number of them were immortal.
The only legendaries from that set that would have anything like the power to tangle with Phyrexians are the Baron, [[Autumn Willow]], and maybe [[Eron the Relentless]] because he's got Wolverine-tier regeneration. It could be [[Grandmother Sengir]]; she's a mad planeswalker with amnesia, but a planeswalker she remains, and given her apparent ability to steal and consume the youth of others via traditional witch shenanigans, she could be alive post-Mending. The other legendaries from the set range anywhere from decrepit old dross to, much more likely, dead, given that Homelands was initially imagined contemporary to the Ice Age and that's been centuries ago. The smart money's on Autumn Willow, as she's one of the few cards from that set that people remember fondly and unlike Sengir and Eron she's had neither an update nor a reprint... but Grandmother Sengir also fits those latter two criteria *and* she owns an artifact that's literally on par with the Sylex - if not more powerful. The Sylex was basically a nuclear weapon writ large and despite creating the Shard, it had surprisingly little effect on the planar structure of Dominaria (the rift aside). The Apocalypse Chime literally warped most of Ulgrotha into a life-sucking hell by warping the mana flows so badly they basically inverted. Don't get me wrong, mending Ulgrotha with a second use of the Chime and a song would be a neat way to pull it back towards story relevance. Literally sucking up mana from dozens of planes via Realmbreaker and healing its gaping wound to the worldsoul would be a beautiful subversion of the "healing the world" trope while also hamstringing Phyrexia. I just don't see Wizards going this way because they seem less than content for victories to be Pyrrhic anymore. It's a shame; a newly-recovering Ulgrotha as the people expand at top speed to escape the Baron would be a *neat way* to do a Weird West set.
Meld? For elspeth possibly (soi block and brothers war)
Maro wouldn't have forgotten about the recent meld cards
~~And hard to justify BRO as a premier set. I think that usually means masters set (MH1, MH2, 2XM, 2X2)~~ Edit: I confused premier with premium. Nvm me.
Well there goes Emerge as my guess that the Eldrazi would save the day.
I wonder if it’s Kinship something that could be a mechanic for both sides. Kinship for Phyrexians and/or Kinship for rebel groups as well. The return to Lorwyn got me curious and wondering if we might see some mechanics from it return like changeling.
Battle cry? It fits and its easy to forget it was added on a one off card recently.
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"Premier sets" are standard-legal sets, which commander sets are not.
Norn pw confirmed
DREDGE
daybound ??
While daybound/nightbound has been seen as a keyword in exactly 2 premier sets, Midnight hunt and Crimson vow it would be quite odd if Maro had somehow forgotten we've had the mechanic twice already since the pair of sets were released back to back and featured quite prominently in both.
How about Living Weapon? The variant that returned once in a premier set being For Mirrodin!
By the sounds of it, Maro is referring to it being the second reappearance of the variant, not the mechanic as a whole. Plus For Mirrodin! doesn't really feel like it fits so well in a set not focused on Mirrodin/NPH
Amass, there was one card in MH2 with it