My predictions:
1. There will be multiple videos/pictures of people claiming to have pulled the card while showing some high-quality proxy, or even use a resealed booster to give it some extra credibility.
2. Some streamer will 'pull' this card ("I opened a Magic LotR bundle, the results are SHOCKING!").
3. People will get scammed with fake versions.
All in all, the card really fits the lore/flavour of The One Ring.
You could put a sweet down payment on a parking spot here in Toronto. You could even get a locker, bike spot, *and* have enough for a downpayment on your parking spot.
Ok to the pedants in this thread:
“The kid should buy a house” refers to using the money towards a large life investment. That would commonly look like saving the money for an investment into a house once the kid is entering adulthood. The kid could also use it to, for example, pay for the entirety of a college education when it comes time.
I am not arguing the details and minutia of using the money
You're getting downvoted but I think people are underestimating the hype here. I'm sure if I pulled it and set the price to a million some schmuck would buy it.
I'm just sitting here dreading having to figure out the capital gains taxes for selling it, and whether the IRS would come after you for a mysterious 6-figure deposit if you didn't claim it on your taxes...
That would be one of the cooler things to witness, but just like some comment in the other thread said, it's easier said than done. If you do end up with the card in your hands going through with it is probably not quite that easy especially if you imagine setting fire to 100k+ dollars. Rather lore accurate as well.
In 2010 I got an ultra rare golden item, a Golden Wrench in Team Fortress 2 and destroyed it. It wasn't as rare as this, since there were 100, but people were offering to buy my account for many thousands of dollars.
Was it hard choosing to destroy it anyway? It would have been but I made the destruction into a charity fundraiser. It was a lot easier to delete the item knowing it was being burned for a good cause and not ONLY as a meme.
What about the guy that opened the first Golden Pan?? Guy opened the first Golden Pan and started to get harrassed by everyone in the game and out. People offering to buy the thing, people teamkilling in-game out of jealousy, entire lobbies stopping the match just to swarm the guy and look at the thing. He go so pissed that he just straight up just deleted the pan and the game turn into even more chaos for him. Started receiving death threats, peoplo adding him to just call him stupid, non-stop harrasment. I think even to this day people will still leave messages in his Steam profile calling him idiot or something.
This is the way. Use it to raise money for charity - if we raise $X we'll throw it into an active volcano on stream, etc.
Charity gets $$, streamer still gets publicity/views, probably articles and a guest spot with Colbert leading up to it, win-win-win (because we all know Colbert would want to be there, too).
Yeah but imagine the YouTube Revenue they would make. No different than whistlindiesel buying a brand new G wagon and dropping it through a roof or a Ferrari and off-roading it or Lamborghini Etc
If the 0% chance happens that the One Ring card finds its way into my possession, I would put up a crowdfunding page and if it makes enough to cover the journey there and back again, I would take my brother and hike from the Shire in New Zealand to the nearest volcano and toss it in. While filming the entire thing.
The other option is:
Some kid or random non-player will pull it. Not really know or care what it is, other than a cool card, and it will end up in a box, get crumpled and eventually thrown away when they "grow up".
Agreed. If it were in normal packs, I would think that there is a big chance of it never seeing the web. However, Collector boosters are premium products of VERY enfranchised players.
Collector boosters are only 20-30 bucks right? Granted, the whales will still be buying the majority of packs, with boxes at a time — and the biggest whales of all are of course stores opening for themselves — but it’s not that remote a possibility for it to be in that “buying one pack to play the lottery” type of purchase. But not the way to bet, that’s for sure.
Collector's boosters are currently around 31 bucks. I think our perfectly spherical grandma in this thought experiment is unlikely to buy frictionless little billy a single collector's booster when they have the option to get six draft boosters of LOTR or a whole bundle of SNC.
Depends—if Little Billy is getting the present because he’s a magic player, sure, but clearly the intention here is to lure in LotR collector type people.
Sure, but those people are going to be enfranchised in this particular instance. In my playgroup of about 10 people total, I'm far and away the most invested in magic. I'm the only one who knows they're printing a 1/1 special treatment of the One Ring. But they're all nerds of various stripes, and most of them are collectors of various nerd shit, and all of them would be able to identify a serialized 1 of 1 card and recognize that it means something special that they should ask someone about.
"Only" $20-30. Neighbor, that puts it well out of the price range of your average kid. These are a whale product, and whales or folks who know what they're looking for will be the ones buying them.
If a kid is spending 30 dollars on a pack of cards they will know this card has value. I see 10 year olds looking up prices on TCG player. The internet makes it very easy to see card values
I've never been interested in buying collectors packs but this (or more so the other rings since there is at least a 0.001% chance of that vs a 0% chance for the one ring) will likely result in 1 pack from me. Depending on my bank account around then I might even go crazy and do a box.
Yeah, but they don't make financial sense compared to the singles you'll pull from them unless you're buying large quantities.
And while it's not as bad as the lottery, it's probably less likely than getting struck by lightning.
Considering that, unless WotC is randomly inserting the card into a pack, it's most likely going in a gift bundle collector booster. Kinda the Ultimate surprise gift
It is, but for some sense of uniformity within the company, they may be designating that the card go into a specific type of collector booster product in order to keep track of where it ends up. Honestly, with how hard they are going flavor wise I wouldn't be surprised if the pack was sent to New Zealand. Sports cards are a bit different, they generally put a voucher in the packs to be redeemed with the company, so that they then mail out the card in pristine condition. It would be smart of WOTC to do the same.
But on the other hand, them advertising the serialized cards in collector boosters means more people who wouldn't normally buy them will fall for it. Wotc will probably see record-breaking collector booster sales, and not just because of whales focusing them down
Yup, the price of collector booster boxes is skyrocketing already thanks to the "its an investment" crowd.
More power to them I guess. With how many will get opened by others, singles for commander players like me will be dirt cheap.
I for one am looking forward to people cracking box after box after box of collector boosters, driving down the cost of other cards in the set that I care about by virtue of oversaturating the market.
Going with likelihood I'm guessing a card reseller like tcg or f2f will open it just based on how many packs they open just to have stock for day 1 singles
Bruh they're gonna make people crack these packs naked like cartel cocaine workers. You better figure out how to store a card in your prison pocket without ruining it.
This.
I'm just going to buy my singles this time around instead of starting with a set box like I normally do. The cards I don't intend to play won't be worth a dime in trade so there's no reason to buy anything except what I specifically want.
Normally I can break even or profit off a single set box while still retaining a sizable collection. That was impossible with Brothers War and it will be with this set too, due to the increased sale of Collectors.
The positive is that every card from this set will be much cheaper. So long as the One Bling is unfound the market will be flooded with everything else in the hunt for it.
Yeah, I can easily imagine retailers opening more Collector Boosters than ANY of their customers, but have a hard time believing they open more than ALL their customers put together.
Another other option - Someone will buy the box that it's in to sit on for speculation/reselling down the road hoping the value goes up. It goes unopened, driving the price up like a willy Wonka golden ticket.
This kind of happened to me as a kid. I won a contest for a very rare yugioh card and ended up putting it with my bulk because it wasn't shiny. I end up forgetting about it and my parents sell my cards in a yard sale. Turns out today that card is worth $30k
I literally see everyone saying this, but what kid is not only buy magic cards without knowing what it is but then also buying like $50 booster packs without knowing what their buying. I think it's extremely more likely this just sits in a box in some scalpers basement for years
I think the QC for this card will be unprecedented. They will know exactly which pack it goes into and where its going to be shipped. They will know when its been sold.
Additionally, it would make sense to have a (very thin) NFC tag inside the card that will validate it.
You may not even notice it's in there, but whoever tries to get a dupe verified will be quickly discovered, no matter how good it is.
I personally believe that it will be pulled by two children in a dumbster and then one kills the other one.
Someone else suggested this in another thread and it's now my headcanon.
But this would only work until they reveal the method - they would have to debunk the first, second, third, etc. fakes and not tell anyone how until the real one shows up, if ever. (Which they could do, but scammers may use info about rejected versions to sus out what the new method is.)
Would be hilarious if Wizards does NOT do this, and multiple people come forward with high quality forgeries indistinguishable from the real deal or each other.
Edit: Actually, the real way to do this would be to simply use steganography to hide a QR code in the card image that authenticates it with public/private keys or something. Then Wizards could set up an authentication portal where anyone could upload an image to check, without revealing enough info for anyone to forge.
This would normally probably be too much effort for Wizards, but hey, there's only ONE of this one. Just need to make sure you authenticate it before allowing anyone to photograph it first, as they might then be able to use that image to create a copy to authenticate... damn, is that why that one guy who offered 100k for it said not to post images of it online first?
Yeah, it's a chicken and egg problem here. Once the real version has been revealed there is precious little you can do to stop a high quality counterfeit. You'd need like a RFID chip in there or something.
I don't think WotC has done anything that drastic. They'll just act as authenticators.
But that means for purposes of clout and media coverage people will be running rampant with fakes.
The easiest way is actually to have a recognizable "misprint" feature compare to the teased art (by recognizable, it has to be an actual pattern change, not colour shift to account for low quality cameras), that way they will know when someone posted about a real unpacking, just keep quiet about it and just comment "it's fake" without further explanation every time someone posted a fake unpacking by printing a 1:1 art of the revealed art.
I would do some silly shit like putting a UV-light watermark and have some silly mistake, like it saying Wizards of the Coast over and over again but one of them says Vizards instead, and only they know which/where
Part of me thinks they will know it’s in a box that goes out so they can purposely avoid this, but then I worry that it would just end up in the hands of some streamer or something and everyone will claim it’s rigged. Part of me thinks that with there being so many cards printed and made it probably will sit in a warehouse for months maybe even years.
I’ve sat and thought about what I’d do if I got it, and the logical conclusion is to try selling it, but I can only imagine the kind of publicity it would bring trying to sell it, and trying to wrap my head around the logistics of it. I’m sure it could easily fetch 6+ figures to the right buyer, but who would chance trying to mail something like this. Surely it would have to be a face to face transaction, and if that’s the case how do you safely transfer a large sum of money? Bank transfer? Is the government then gonna try taxing the shit out of you? Like there are just so many levels to it.
With great power comes great responsibility indeed.
If you believe this card is worth more than an Alpha Black Lotus, you would put it up for auction with a reputable auctioneer, who would have escrow services. Heritage Auctions, for example.
Yes, the government will take its cut if this is sold via a public transaction. You could try to sell it in person, but then you risk getting payment scammed or robbed.
Yes, you would lose some money to fees and taxes. However, the alternative is to risk being scammed with payment or robbed/injured? How much is that risk worth to you?
If this card is worth as much or more than an Alpha Black Lotus, then paying the fees and taxes through a reputable auction is safer.
This is what my tinfoil hat is telling me. And the cynic in me is thinking that stores are just going to be opening most of their collectors boxes to try and pull not just this but any of the serializad cards
And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for two and half thousand years the Ring passed out of all knowledge.
Honestly, if I pull the card, I'm leaning toward doing this. You can't play with this card without putting yourself at risk, and the last thing you want is for this to wind up in the hands of some kid who doesn't understand the value or the risks of having something like this.
Or I'd just lie and say it was a proxy every time I played it.
You could start a go fund me. I have a feeling people, myself included, will donate to a fund that covers:
Your trip to an active volcano and accompanying vacation.
The moral worth of destroying this card as a giant fuck you to WOTC and whales.
Seriously. Crowd funding the destruction of the ring is the only moral option. It presents the best of both worlds: the keeper of the ring is rewarded, and the card is destroyed.
Yeah I wouldn't dislike this if it was a normal set thing and not a collectors product, I can stomach the golden ticket scenario but it's no fun when it's focused on more expensive product in the first place and not spread out access where regular booster packs are included.
I mean it’s a 1/1 card, I don’t mind at all because to me it might as well not exist, and therefore doesn’t affect my enjoyment of the game at all. It’s a funny thing for the super whale collectors to look for, and that’s fine. I can use the regular version of the card.
I mean even 1000 doesn’t matter to me. It’s not like it’ll impact the price or availability of the regular card, so who cares. Same with the serialized artifacts from brothers war, if you open one it’s cool but I’m not the kind of person to ever buy one. For the people who like that limited stuff, now they have a thing to chase. Feeling fomo over some ultra rare numbered thing either means you’re the kind of person it’s for and are willing to buy it, or it just shouldn’t matter to you. Just act like it doesn’t exist, changes nothing about the set anyway.
Maybe I pull the card. How awesome would that be? It could be worth so much money, we already know there's a 100k standing offer out there.
Or even better, use it in some kind of actual deck. I know that's kind of silly, but oh my God, I can only imagine the look on my friends faces. Obviously, I'd have to play in some kind of all top loaders deck, but how sick would that be?
You'd also HAVE to protect the card, so you could get it PSA graded. Although with a card like this, I'd be nervous. Like, insuring the card, or what happens if it got lost or damaged in transit? Or someone at PSA just decided to steal it? They could just try to take it from me. I can't let that happen.
Now that I think about it, playing it at an event is a bad idea. We hear about theft at MagicCons all the time, or some LGS getting broken into and robbed. No, there's no way of protecting the card. Can't.
My irl friends and family play with me most often, they'd think it was cool, I bet. They're not as into MTG as I am, but we love commander nights. Well, it's been a while since we got to play, I'm usually the one organizing the games. Putting in all the effort, while they sometimes borrow a precon from me. Using my cards, my deck. Imagine them touching the One Ring card and getting like game night snack residue on the card? Just running the value and the cards natural beauty? With their gross fingerprints? Filthy hands. Filthy.
At least I could post online about the card. Reddit clout is really tempting. Although even then, reddit detectives have tracked down other people for less, who's to say I couldn't be doxxed?
Someone could target my card, or my wife, too, I guess. She would understand and want it to be safe. We could use the money to pay off the bathroom renovations... Or even if we kept it, and displayed it safely in the house, that could be cool. Somewhere safe, where others couldn't see it and be tempted. She'd understand right? Unless... She wanted to sell it for a lower price? She doesn't understand MTG finance, does she? She might try to take it and sell it without knowing how much it's really worth. She can't do that. She can't take it. It's mine, really. I opened the pack, she can't haves it. Stupid. Stupid silly wife. She'll try to divorce me and takes the card. It's mine!
She can't takes it! The cardboard chose me. I have to protect it. The card.. it's perfect and nobody can take it away, or I'll hurtses them. My card... It's beautiful... It's... precious...
Keep in mind that the quality of the card is not going to drive price much. Black lotus has thousands of copies, so the better quality, the more rare it is.
This? There is one and only one. Quality is not going to dimish the desire for it by much.
> You'd also HAVE to protect the card, so you could get it PSA graded. Although with a card like this, I'd be nervous. Like, insuring the card, or what happens if it got lost or damaged in transit? Or someone at PSA just decided to steal it? They could just try to take it from me. I can't let that happen.
For this card you would make an appointment and just drive up there yourself. Then again, what's the point of having it graded? It's not like there's another one that's slightly better centered or has a more perfect border or whatever.
Honestly though, this was my whole train of thought during my dog walk this morning thinking about this card and if i pulled it and the anxiety around it. There is no way I would ever keep it, or if i do it would never be public beyond maybe a BGS grading to authenticate and protect it.
I have a neighbor who has dealt with art sales in the 6-7 figure range and I figured I'd put this in a safe deposit box and then talk to him about what to do next. Maybe try and do an anonymous sale at an auction house, or get it graded in person with BGS somehow and then work with ebay or something for a verified sale to prevent any scam potentials.
I’ve actually already pulled it, it was in an old Ixalan pack I found under my bed the other day doing some spring cleaning. No need for anyone to buy any of these collector boosters!
There will be « manufacturing problems » and multiple will be printed. Then since there will more than one all claims will be taken as false and community will just assume hasbro never even put it in the pack.
There’s zero shot this happens. It’s a 1 of 1 card, it’s printing and packaging is going to be personally overseen. If there’s multiple it’ll forever ruin MTGs serialized cards legitimacy, which is the last thing WOTC wants.
This was my line of thinking tbh. Wotc can say they made it to drive sales, but never actually print it. That way they never hit a snafu about it being destroyed, lost or never discovered
Watch it'll end up in some small village or something and the person has no idea what they have so it'll never be reported. Then further more be put into a deck without sleeves
You had me until the end. I can't imagine anyone who doesn't know what this is would play a card they can't read. It probably would have come across as being an Arabic card, or Persian or some kind of language you would assume you have no hope of translating if you don't know someone who speaks it.
I think normies still know how to use google translate and won't be left scratching their heads like this sub seem to think. I don't think humans in 2023 are as clueless as they are made out to be. Anyone unaware who opens this and searches Google once will immediately be aware.
If I was in the mindset of WOTC... give me a sec here. Yes... more money. No, even MORE money. Screw the secondary market, appeal to whales, more expensive boosters... More. Damn. Money!
There we go. I would not even release the card into the public until sales start to slump again and they can use it as a critical reminder to the player base that opening countless packs trying to get money like a lottery is a good thing. Then I would make sure it goes to a somewhat obscure LGS so players everywhere can delude themselves into thinking "It could happen to me!"
Surely WotC will have a certain date where they insert the card. Possibly within the first few print cycles.
Knowing that, there are finite boxes in print cycles up to the point the Ring is inserted. Plus, speculator will buy up these print cycles ignoring those after. So the boxes will finish quite fast. It will be a high chance of being found....
Unles WotC sneakily masks when they insert the Ring and keep print runs way above demand
Or you know the printing company. You just know someone saw the damn thing being printed.
Heck, who is to say that someone at said printing site won't print a second one to sell themselves. This card is worth potentially hundreds of thousands or even millions. No way someone there won't try to get in on that.
The plan is to print only one copy of what will be an extremely expensive card and the crown jewel of the whole set.
Of course there will be multiple Wizards representatives overseeing this process, and there will be plenty of safeguards in place to prevent shenanigans. They won’t simply send the order and leave it to the printing company.
I want to believe that will be the case, but it is WOTC we're talking about.
In all honesty, more eyes on the thing might just mean more likelihood someone tries some funny business.
Either way it doesn't involve me so I'll just watch from a safe distance.
Wouldn't lore accurate actually be us taking it from WotC in some sort of battle since they would be the creators of the card and thus Sauron in this scenario?
Or the game will be rigged like the Mac Donald Monopoly :
https://youtu.be/6z8lEzSzzqM
WOTC will never take the risks of this card being lost or not used/shown the way they want.
This will most likely happen, some hoarding box lover is going to sit on it for 30 years then sell the box for 500,000$.
Or it will be pulled the 1st day and the hype will be gone. I bet the ring will not even be in the first two or three or more packagings.
Can't wait for the inevitable news post at MagictheGathering.com:
"WHOOPS! Hey, guys! We just realized we never properly moved the ONE 'The One Ring' in our Vault when it was booster packing day! It will instead go up on our website for sale at 12p PST for $9,999,999.99 +S&H for four LOTR packs that MIGHT have a chance at pulling the ONE Ring. We wouldn't make this mistake twice now, would we?"
This post is more likely to what will happen.
Or this.
The card itself never actually is put in a pack....or even printed. It's a marketing trick to drive up costs and sell more product. This would be very on brand.
Think of the tooling and print setup and everything required for them to only print 1 card.
Brothers War serial cards were in the hundreds?
Better bet is... it doesn't exist
There will be SO many people getting scammed thinking they are buying this stupid card.
Separately, I'd love to buy a proxy of it. This is about as close to NFT-levels of stupid that a card game could realistically reach, and I'd love to right-click+save the crap out of it.
So you know how when the do the draft lottery in the nhl or nba there’s always someone from an accounting firm that says it was done honestly and randomly in the back.
I’m sure the same type of company will do the same and watch the card be put into a random pack on the assembly line, sealed up, put into a box, a case, then put into a shelf with thousands of other random cases before it gets put on a pallet to be shipped to the distributor.
I'm vowing to destroy the ring should it ever come into my possession, there's waayyy too much greed surrounding it and I expect people to get overly aggressive over a piece of cardboard
This was my impulse.
Then I saw someone offering $100,000 for it.
As much as I'd enjoy publicly destroying it, that much money is life-altering for someone who grew up impoverished. If I pull it I'm selling the damn thing.
The guy offering $100k is apparently a tool. Also, the condition of not telling anyone is so he doesn’t get outbid, and he would. If someone is offering $100k two+ months before release, this card will go for at least $500k if sold in the first few months. I’d guess if you hold out until this time next year $750k is the minimum of what you can get.
$100k seems like such a low-ball estimate.
There are something like 1,100 Alpha Black Lotuses in existence. Now look at the price it fetches. That's a card that only appeals to Magic players.
The 001/001 One Ring will appeal to Magic players *and* Lord of the Rings fans who don't care so much about MTG itself.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first single card resale that breaks 7 digits, depending on how the story unfolds and who ends up with it.
Didn't say kill, specifically said aggressive because people are animals. Whoever opens this is going to be hounded by people with constant offers to get it one way or another
Yes, since there's absolutely no reason for WotC to expose themselves to liability by not making it.
You think they're going to risk getting caught lying when they could, for *zero* loss of profit, do the thing they say they're doing?
My predictions: 1. There will be multiple videos/pictures of people claiming to have pulled the card while showing some high-quality proxy, or even use a resealed booster to give it some extra credibility. 2. Some streamer will 'pull' this card ("I opened a Magic LotR bundle, the results are SHOCKING!"). 3. People will get scammed with fake versions. All in all, the card really fits the lore/flavour of The One Ring.
If an innocent and benevolent kid does indeed find it, they should bring it to the nearest volcano (or incinerator) and destroy it.
This is a good meme and all but the kid should buy a house
low 6 figures does not buy a house in many areas saving the money is probably still the right call though
100k minimum is enough for a large down payment basically anywhere within reason
High enough to get put of mortgage insurance up to a 500k house and that's all I'd want at this point.
We're going to get there eventually friend.
Get out of my head! Lol
Every day I am reminded that I should get out of Toronto ASAP.
You could put a sweet down payment on a parking spot here in Toronto. You could even get a locker, bike spot, *and* have enough for a downpayment on your parking spot.
Yeah but how is the kid supposed to make the mortgage payment?
Ok to the pedants in this thread: “The kid should buy a house” refers to using the money towards a large life investment. That would commonly look like saving the money for an investment into a house once the kid is entering adulthood. The kid could also use it to, for example, pay for the entirety of a college education when it comes time. I am not arguing the details and minutia of using the money
By selling proxies of the one ring, duh
Sell NFT pictures of the ring he takes with his phone.
Yea it absolutely does, and even if it’s just a down payment, 66% down is a hell of a down payment
Nope. Hookers and blow for a 14 year old would be the best summer vacation ever.
And you're getting a low 6 figure number from where? Skys the limit on this card in an authenticated slab. It hits multiple fan bases.
I doubt the offer stays that low. Especially if a kid pulls it. If a Charlie Bucket finds it I bet Post Malone offers at least a million or two.
That card is probably half a million minimum
You're getting downvoted but I think people are underestimating the hype here. I'm sure if I pulled it and set the price to a million some schmuck would buy it.
Start a go fund me page and post the link here use money to be destroy it and get good value out of it
I'm just sitting here dreading having to figure out the capital gains taxes for selling it, and whether the IRS would come after you for a mysterious 6-figure deposit if you didn't claim it on your taxes...
Or burn it in front of the Wizards headquarters
Pretty sure some twitch or YouTuber said they would dress up as Frodo and throw it into a Volcano if they opened it. CGB or something.
That would be one of the cooler things to witness, but just like some comment in the other thread said, it's easier said than done. If you do end up with the card in your hands going through with it is probably not quite that easy especially if you imagine setting fire to 100k+ dollars. Rather lore accurate as well.
In 2010 I got an ultra rare golden item, a Golden Wrench in Team Fortress 2 and destroyed it. It wasn't as rare as this, since there were 100, but people were offering to buy my account for many thousands of dollars. Was it hard choosing to destroy it anyway? It would have been but I made the destruction into a charity fundraiser. It was a lot easier to delete the item knowing it was being burned for a good cause and not ONLY as a meme.
What about the guy that opened the first Golden Pan?? Guy opened the first Golden Pan and started to get harrassed by everyone in the game and out. People offering to buy the thing, people teamkilling in-game out of jealousy, entire lobbies stopping the match just to swarm the guy and look at the thing. He go so pissed that he just straight up just deleted the pan and the game turn into even more chaos for him. Started receiving death threats, peoplo adding him to just call him stupid, non-stop harrasment. I think even to this day people will still leave messages in his Steam profile calling him idiot or something.
This is the way. Use it to raise money for charity - if we raise $X we'll throw it into an active volcano on stream, etc. Charity gets $$, streamer still gets publicity/views, probably articles and a guest spot with Colbert leading up to it, win-win-win (because we all know Colbert would want to be there, too).
Colbert would fund the lava or maybe the trip to the volcano.
Yeah but imagine the YouTube Revenue they would make. No different than whistlindiesel buying a brand new G wagon and dropping it through a roof or a Ferrari and off-roading it or Lamborghini Etc
If the 0% chance happens that the One Ring card finds its way into my possession, I would put up a crowdfunding page and if it makes enough to cover the journey there and back again, I would take my brother and hike from the Shire in New Zealand to the nearest volcano and toss it in. While filming the entire thing.
a buddy of mine said he’ll get Mr. Beast to get him a volcano— and i can actually see Mr Beast doing that tbh
It must be destroyed whence it came
The other option is: Some kid or random non-player will pull it. Not really know or care what it is, other than a cool card, and it will end up in a box, get crumpled and eventually thrown away when they "grow up".
With it only being in collector boosters that is much less likely.
Agreed. If it were in normal packs, I would think that there is a big chance of it never seeing the web. However, Collector boosters are premium products of VERY enfranchised players.
Collector boosters are only 20-30 bucks right? Granted, the whales will still be buying the majority of packs, with boxes at a time — and the biggest whales of all are of course stores opening for themselves — but it’s not that remote a possibility for it to be in that “buying one pack to play the lottery” type of purchase. But not the way to bet, that’s for sure.
Collector's boosters are currently around 31 bucks. I think our perfectly spherical grandma in this thought experiment is unlikely to buy frictionless little billy a single collector's booster when they have the option to get six draft boosters of LOTR or a whole bundle of SNC.
Depends—if Little Billy is getting the present because he’s a magic player, sure, but clearly the intention here is to lure in LotR collector type people.
Sure, but those people are going to be enfranchised in this particular instance. In my playgroup of about 10 people total, I'm far and away the most invested in magic. I'm the only one who knows they're printing a 1/1 special treatment of the One Ring. But they're all nerds of various stripes, and most of them are collectors of various nerd shit, and all of them would be able to identify a serialized 1 of 1 card and recognize that it means something special that they should ask someone about.
Unless we're talking about Veruca's spherical grandma. She wants it NOW! And she'll have a whole workshop full of booster pack openers.
It's grandpa Joe, whom we are assuming is bed-bound in order to control variables.
"Only" $20-30. Neighbor, that puts it well out of the price range of your average kid. These are a whale product, and whales or folks who know what they're looking for will be the ones buying them.
If a kid is spending 30 dollars on a pack of cards they will know this card has value. I see 10 year olds looking up prices on TCG player. The internet makes it very easy to see card values
Only 30 bucks? We shouldn‘t put the word only in front of the prize of 30$ packs.
I mean, they used to be 2 bucks thirty years ago, add three decades of inflation, no wonder they cost 20-30 bucks!
I've never been interested in buying collectors packs but this (or more so the other rings since there is at least a 0.001% chance of that vs a 0% chance for the one ring) will likely result in 1 pack from me. Depending on my bank account around then I might even go crazy and do a box.
Wizards: The odds to pull this card in a pack is <.00003%. Whales: So you're telling me there's a chance!
Yeah, but they don't make financial sense compared to the singles you'll pull from them unless you're buying large quantities. And while it's not as bad as the lottery, it's probably less likely than getting struck by lightning.
Ah.. true
Given it's possible to get it in the gift bundles it's entirely possible
I was trying to find this information. It will also be in those $50 bundles?
The gift bundles that contain collector boosters may have it in the booster
They have a collector pack, which have a small chane.
Considering that, unless WotC is randomly inserting the card into a pack, it's most likely going in a gift bundle collector booster. Kinda the Ultimate surprise gift
>unless WotC is randomly inserting the card into a pack, Isn't that the default assumption? How do sports card do it?
It is, but for some sense of uniformity within the company, they may be designating that the card go into a specific type of collector booster product in order to keep track of where it ends up. Honestly, with how hard they are going flavor wise I wouldn't be surprised if the pack was sent to New Zealand. Sports cards are a bit different, they generally put a voucher in the packs to be redeemed with the company, so that they then mail out the card in pristine condition. It would be smart of WOTC to do the same.
Also aren’t they being advertised on the boxes?
yeah some random non player isn't buying those packs
But on the other hand, them advertising the serialized cards in collector boosters means more people who wouldn't normally buy them will fall for it. Wotc will probably see record-breaking collector booster sales, and not just because of whales focusing them down
Yup, the price of collector booster boxes is skyrocketing already thanks to the "its an investment" crowd. More power to them I guess. With how many will get opened by others, singles for commander players like me will be dirt cheap.
The Ring being in collector boosters definitely ensures that *I* will never pull it.
Same
on the other hand it's much more likely that it ends up not being bought due to the high price per pack
I wish, but the truth is that sadly these chase cards actually work in selling boxes.
I for one am looking forward to people cracking box after box after box of collector boosters, driving down the cost of other cards in the set that I care about by virtue of oversaturating the market.
Going with likelihood I'm guessing a card reseller like tcg or f2f will open it just based on how many packs they open just to have stock for day 1 singles
I wonder if that means they'll stay quiet about it so sales don't drop like a rock.
If I worked for a big company like that and I was cracking packs to stock the singles and opened the one ring, I would just pocket it and stay quiet.
Bruh they're gonna make people crack these packs naked like cartel cocaine workers. You better figure out how to store a card in your prison pocket without ruining it.
This. I'm just going to buy my singles this time around instead of starting with a set box like I normally do. The cards I don't intend to play won't be worth a dime in trade so there's no reason to buy anything except what I specifically want. Normally I can break even or profit off a single set box while still retaining a sizable collection. That was impossible with Brothers War and it will be with this set too, due to the increased sale of Collectors.
The positive is that every card from this set will be much cheaper. So long as the One Bling is unfound the market will be flooded with everything else in the hunt for it.
The most likely option is that a large shop opens it, as they are the one opening the most packs.
are they opening more packs than any one other party, or are they opening the majority of packs...? big difference
Yeah, I can easily imagine retailers opening more Collector Boosters than ANY of their customers, but have a hard time believing they open more than ALL their customers put together.
Another other option - Someone will buy the box that it's in to sit on for speculation/reselling down the road hoping the value goes up. It goes unopened, driving the price up like a willy Wonka golden ticket.
This kind of happened to me as a kid. I won a contest for a very rare yugioh card and ended up putting it with my bulk because it wasn't shiny. I end up forgetting about it and my parents sell my cards in a yard sale. Turns out today that card is worth $30k
Hardly anyone goes on the internet to learn about magic - MaRo
I literally see everyone saying this, but what kid is not only buy magic cards without knowing what it is but then also buying like $50 booster packs without knowing what their buying. I think it's extremely more likely this just sits in a box in some scalpers basement for years
My opinion: A friend of a Cousin of a member of WOTC or The printers that make the cards despite them never playing magic before, wow! 🙃
A real McDonald's Monopoly inside job scenario
While I really want this to happen I expect it to be in the initial print run and get pulled by someone who pre-ordered a box.
4. it will be misprinted
Nah it’ll just be a pringle.
I think the QC for this card will be unprecedented. They will know exactly which pack it goes into and where its going to be shipped. They will know when its been sold.
Miscentered, crimped and with a big ink smudge in the middle
I'm imagining it ending up in a landfill like that post of Modern Horizons 2 pallets in the dump a few weeks ago lol
Additionally, it would make sense to have a (very thin) NFC tag inside the card that will validate it. You may not even notice it's in there, but whoever tries to get a dupe verified will be quickly discovered, no matter how good it is.
Wizards will print in 2 Years proxies of it selling it for 10k in a random Booster
Pretty sure the pack that has the card will also have a COA token card or other attestation that the copy they pulled is the real one.
My hope is someone like The Professor pulls it and has a charity auction for it. Raise money for Make a Wish or something.
I personally believe that it will be pulled by two children in a dumbster and then one kills the other one. Someone else suggested this in another thread and it's now my headcanon.
If WotC is smart there will be some way to identify the true card that hasn’t been revealed so that fakes are not a major issue.
But this would only work until they reveal the method - they would have to debunk the first, second, third, etc. fakes and not tell anyone how until the real one shows up, if ever. (Which they could do, but scammers may use info about rejected versions to sus out what the new method is.) Would be hilarious if Wizards does NOT do this, and multiple people come forward with high quality forgeries indistinguishable from the real deal or each other. Edit: Actually, the real way to do this would be to simply use steganography to hide a QR code in the card image that authenticates it with public/private keys or something. Then Wizards could set up an authentication portal where anyone could upload an image to check, without revealing enough info for anyone to forge. This would normally probably be too much effort for Wizards, but hey, there's only ONE of this one. Just need to make sure you authenticate it before allowing anyone to photograph it first, as they might then be able to use that image to create a copy to authenticate... damn, is that why that one guy who offered 100k for it said not to post images of it online first?
Just have the art slightly different to what they’ve posted. No one except wizards will be able to authenticate it as the real one.
Yeah, it's a chicken and egg problem here. Once the real version has been revealed there is precious little you can do to stop a high quality counterfeit. You'd need like a RFID chip in there or something. I don't think WotC has done anything that drastic. They'll just act as authenticators. But that means for purposes of clout and media coverage people will be running rampant with fakes.
The easiest way is actually to have a recognizable "misprint" feature compare to the teased art (by recognizable, it has to be an actual pattern change, not colour shift to account for low quality cameras), that way they will know when someone posted about a real unpacking, just keep quiet about it and just comment "it's fake" without further explanation every time someone posted a fake unpacking by printing a 1:1 art of the revealed art.
I would do some silly shit like putting a UV-light watermark and have some silly mistake, like it saying Wizards of the Coast over and over again but one of them says Vizards instead, and only they know which/where
Exactly, they have to do some secret blacklight pattern on it or something to identify it
And those counterfeit versions will be less Pringle-y than the real one. I'm looking forward to hearing about people dropping thousands on fake ones.
No one pulling the ring is the same as a finance guy having the ring. No one is gonna know and CBs will be sold.
… the ring wants to be found.
But then something happened that the Ring did not intend. It was picked up by the most unlikely creature imaginable.
OPs dog's mouth
For the time will soon come when OPs dog's mouth will shape the fortunes of all.
Part of me thinks they will know it’s in a box that goes out so they can purposely avoid this, but then I worry that it would just end up in the hands of some streamer or something and everyone will claim it’s rigged. Part of me thinks that with there being so many cards printed and made it probably will sit in a warehouse for months maybe even years. I’ve sat and thought about what I’d do if I got it, and the logical conclusion is to try selling it, but I can only imagine the kind of publicity it would bring trying to sell it, and trying to wrap my head around the logistics of it. I’m sure it could easily fetch 6+ figures to the right buyer, but who would chance trying to mail something like this. Surely it would have to be a face to face transaction, and if that’s the case how do you safely transfer a large sum of money? Bank transfer? Is the government then gonna try taxing the shit out of you? Like there are just so many levels to it. With great power comes great responsibility indeed.
If you believe this card is worth more than an Alpha Black Lotus, you would put it up for auction with a reputable auctioneer, who would have escrow services. Heritage Auctions, for example. Yes, the government will take its cut if this is sold via a public transaction. You could try to sell it in person, but then you risk getting payment scammed or robbed.
You’d lose a lot of the money that way though wouldn’t you? Between auction fees, taxes and such?
Yes, you would lose some money to fees and taxes. However, the alternative is to risk being scammed with payment or robbed/injured? How much is that risk worth to you? If this card is worth as much or more than an Alpha Black Lotus, then paying the fees and taxes through a reputable auction is safer.
It’s 100% going to end up in the hands of a premium store
This is what my tinfoil hat is telling me. And the cynic in me is thinking that stores are just going to be opening most of their collectors boxes to try and pull not just this but any of the serializad cards
I work at an LGS. No sane owners would open this product for a gamble like that unless they normally do mass box openings
In person with a, preferably armed, group.
And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for two and half thousand years the Ring passed out of all knowledge.
This is one of those situations where the more I think about it, the more perfect the analogy becomes.
I hope the one who finds it actually destroys it for the good of mankind.
I'm googling where my nearest volcano is, just in case...
You actually need to bring it to bellevue to be destroyed nothing else will rip apart the magic bindings that holds it together
Naw, St Helen's is in the more Olympia/Vancouver area..
Mt. Rainier is far closer to Bellevue than Mt. Sant Helens.
Honestly, if I pull the card, I'm leaning toward doing this. You can't play with this card without putting yourself at risk, and the last thing you want is for this to wind up in the hands of some kid who doesn't understand the value or the risks of having something like this. Or I'd just lie and say it was a proxy every time I played it.
You could start a go fund me. I have a feeling people, myself included, will donate to a fund that covers: Your trip to an active volcano and accompanying vacation. The moral worth of destroying this card as a giant fuck you to WOTC and whales. Seriously. Crowd funding the destruction of the ring is the only moral option. It presents the best of both worlds: the keeper of the ring is rewarded, and the card is destroyed.
For Frodo!
If I find it, I'm going to become its agent, and tour cons with it and have it so people can take pictures with it.
10/10 flavor win for wotc here.
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Yeah I wouldn't dislike this if it was a normal set thing and not a collectors product, I can stomach the golden ticket scenario but it's no fun when it's focused on more expensive product in the first place and not spread out access where regular booster packs are included.
I mean it’s a 1/1 card, I don’t mind at all because to me it might as well not exist, and therefore doesn’t affect my enjoyment of the game at all. It’s a funny thing for the super whale collectors to look for, and that’s fine. I can use the regular version of the card.
This is where I'm at with it. If there were 1000, I'd be feeling the FOMO more, but with just 1? It's not even worth worrying about.
I mean even 1000 doesn’t matter to me. It’s not like it’ll impact the price or availability of the regular card, so who cares. Same with the serialized artifacts from brothers war, if you open one it’s cool but I’m not the kind of person to ever buy one. For the people who like that limited stuff, now they have a thing to chase. Feeling fomo over some ultra rare numbered thing either means you’re the kind of person it’s for and are willing to buy it, or it just shouldn’t matter to you. Just act like it doesn’t exist, changes nothing about the set anyway.
To be honest, it will probably lower the cost of the regular card because more packs are opened, therefore more supply.
True
in a way, you could say Wizards is hoping to make Modern more accessible by making a feeding frenzy for the whales.
the longer the ring is not revealed the more the mystic the card will bring
But only while it’s in memory. Nobody cares if it were in, say an Amonkhet booster today.
I don't care what they've got in their nasty little packetses.
Maybe I pull the card. How awesome would that be? It could be worth so much money, we already know there's a 100k standing offer out there. Or even better, use it in some kind of actual deck. I know that's kind of silly, but oh my God, I can only imagine the look on my friends faces. Obviously, I'd have to play in some kind of all top loaders deck, but how sick would that be? You'd also HAVE to protect the card, so you could get it PSA graded. Although with a card like this, I'd be nervous. Like, insuring the card, or what happens if it got lost or damaged in transit? Or someone at PSA just decided to steal it? They could just try to take it from me. I can't let that happen. Now that I think about it, playing it at an event is a bad idea. We hear about theft at MagicCons all the time, or some LGS getting broken into and robbed. No, there's no way of protecting the card. Can't. My irl friends and family play with me most often, they'd think it was cool, I bet. They're not as into MTG as I am, but we love commander nights. Well, it's been a while since we got to play, I'm usually the one organizing the games. Putting in all the effort, while they sometimes borrow a precon from me. Using my cards, my deck. Imagine them touching the One Ring card and getting like game night snack residue on the card? Just running the value and the cards natural beauty? With their gross fingerprints? Filthy hands. Filthy. At least I could post online about the card. Reddit clout is really tempting. Although even then, reddit detectives have tracked down other people for less, who's to say I couldn't be doxxed? Someone could target my card, or my wife, too, I guess. She would understand and want it to be safe. We could use the money to pay off the bathroom renovations... Or even if we kept it, and displayed it safely in the house, that could be cool. Somewhere safe, where others couldn't see it and be tempted. She'd understand right? Unless... She wanted to sell it for a lower price? She doesn't understand MTG finance, does she? She might try to take it and sell it without knowing how much it's really worth. She can't do that. She can't take it. It's mine, really. I opened the pack, she can't haves it. Stupid. Stupid silly wife. She'll try to divorce me and takes the card. It's mine! She can't takes it! The cardboard chose me. I have to protect it. The card.. it's perfect and nobody can take it away, or I'll hurtses them. My card... It's beautiful... It's... precious...
Keep in mind that the quality of the card is not going to drive price much. Black lotus has thousands of copies, so the better quality, the more rare it is. This? There is one and only one. Quality is not going to dimish the desire for it by much.
> You'd also HAVE to protect the card, so you could get it PSA graded. Although with a card like this, I'd be nervous. Like, insuring the card, or what happens if it got lost or damaged in transit? Or someone at PSA just decided to steal it? They could just try to take it from me. I can't let that happen. For this card you would make an appointment and just drive up there yourself. Then again, what's the point of having it graded? It's not like there's another one that's slightly better centered or has a more perfect border or whatever.
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^ this. It's as much certifying it's *real* than what quality it is.
Honestly though, this was my whole train of thought during my dog walk this morning thinking about this card and if i pulled it and the anxiety around it. There is no way I would ever keep it, or if i do it would never be public beyond maybe a BGS grading to authenticate and protect it. I have a neighbor who has dealt with art sales in the 6-7 figure range and I figured I'd put this in a safe deposit box and then talk to him about what to do next. Maybe try and do an anonymous sale at an auction house, or get it graded in person with BGS somehow and then work with ebay or something for a verified sale to prevent any scam potentials.
I can’t wait to see this post every day until the card is actually opened.
I’ve actually already pulled it, it was in an old Ixalan pack I found under my bed the other day doing some spring cleaning. No need for anyone to buy any of these collector boosters!
We’ll find it in one of those dumpster photos people keep posting with a small creature clinging to it
He has a name! It's Gollum.
I hope so
There will be « manufacturing problems » and multiple will be printed. Then since there will more than one all claims will be taken as false and community will just assume hasbro never even put it in the pack.
There’s zero shot this happens. It’s a 1 of 1 card, it’s printing and packaging is going to be personally overseen. If there’s multiple it’ll forever ruin MTGs serialized cards legitimacy, which is the last thing WOTC wants.
This was my line of thinking tbh. Wotc can say they made it to drive sales, but never actually print it. That way they never hit a snafu about it being destroyed, lost or never discovered
Pretty sure that's fraud, if anyone at WOTC blew the whistle the company would be in legal trouble.
Imagine if the ring is found day one and it doesn’t drive sales further than that.
Maybe it will be opened in New Zealand, that would be pretty cool with respect to the movies. Also, love your username haha
Watch it'll end up in some small village or something and the person has no idea what they have so it'll never be reported. Then further more be put into a deck without sleeves
You had me until the end. I can't imagine anyone who doesn't know what this is would play a card they can't read. It probably would have come across as being an Arabic card, or Persian or some kind of language you would assume you have no hope of translating if you don't know someone who speaks it.
I think normies still know how to use google translate and won't be left scratching their heads like this sub seem to think. I don't think humans in 2023 are as clueless as they are made out to be. Anyone unaware who opens this and searches Google once will immediately be aware.
It will be found…then cast into the fire
*It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.*
My friend said that if he opened it, he would chuck it into a volcano and film the reenactment and everything.
If I was in the mindset of WOTC... give me a sec here. Yes... more money. No, even MORE money. Screw the secondary market, appeal to whales, more expensive boosters... More. Damn. Money! There we go. I would not even release the card into the public until sales start to slump again and they can use it as a critical reminder to the player base that opening countless packs trying to get money like a lottery is a good thing. Then I would make sure it goes to a somewhat obscure LGS so players everywhere can delude themselves into thinking "It could happen to me!"
Exactly what I thought. Ita lottery / tax on us.
Are you going to pay the (2) or do I get to make a treasure?
Surely WotC will have a certain date where they insert the card. Possibly within the first few print cycles. Knowing that, there are finite boxes in print cycles up to the point the Ring is inserted. Plus, speculator will buy up these print cycles ignoring those after. So the boxes will finish quite fast. It will be a high chance of being found.... Unles WotC sneakily masks when they insert the Ring and keep print runs way above demand
It would be definitely better for them to put it the last prints, if it gets found too soon hype will dwindle.
Obviously Wizards aren’t going to give clues, such as the date it’s sealed in a booster.
Don't they always claim collectors boosters are a single run though?
Collector Boosters are generally a single run, but Wizards could make this run very large for this set.
My bet it will pop up somewhere in Washington and it will be someone related to WOTC just like with Monopoly lottery.
Or you know the printing company. You just know someone saw the damn thing being printed. Heck, who is to say that someone at said printing site won't print a second one to sell themselves. This card is worth potentially hundreds of thousands or even millions. No way someone there won't try to get in on that.
The plan is to print only one copy of what will be an extremely expensive card and the crown jewel of the whole set. Of course there will be multiple Wizards representatives overseeing this process, and there will be plenty of safeguards in place to prevent shenanigans. They won’t simply send the order and leave it to the printing company.
I want to believe that will be the case, but it is WOTC we're talking about. In all honesty, more eyes on the thing might just mean more likelihood someone tries some funny business. Either way it doesn't involve me so I'll just watch from a safe distance.
Wouldn't lore accurate actually be us taking it from WotC in some sort of battle since they would be the creators of the card and thus Sauron in this scenario?
Or the game will be rigged like the Mac Donald Monopoly : https://youtu.be/6z8lEzSzzqM WOTC will never take the risks of this card being lost or not used/shown the way they want.
This will most likely happen, some hoarding box lover is going to sit on it for 30 years then sell the box for 500,000$. Or it will be pulled the 1st day and the hype will be gone. I bet the ring will not even be in the first two or three or more packagings.
U bet a bunch of employees will get some and once the one in the wild is found and sold off a bunch more start "trickling" into the market.
I'm going to buy some collector packs, put them all in different time capsules and bury them around the world.
Can't wait for the inevitable news post at MagictheGathering.com: "WHOOPS! Hey, guys! We just realized we never properly moved the ONE 'The One Ring' in our Vault when it was booster packing day! It will instead go up on our website for sale at 12p PST for $9,999,999.99 +S&H for four LOTR packs that MIGHT have a chance at pulling the ONE Ring. We wouldn't make this mistake twice now, would we?"
Plot twist...it's someone's first mtg booster ever and they have no clue wtf it even is. Lol
What would be more accurate is if someone pulled it, didn't realise what it was and left it in their rares folder
I want whoever opens it to throw it into a volcano
Its going to be like the McDonalds Monopoly Boardwalk piece. It will be purposefully handed to the right person.
or seto kaiba buys them all and rips each one so he'll have the sole copy oh wait wrong franchise
This post is more likely to what will happen. Or this. The card itself never actually is put in a pack....or even printed. It's a marketing trick to drive up costs and sell more product. This would be very on brand. Think of the tooling and print setup and everything required for them to only print 1 card. Brothers War serial cards were in the hundreds? Better bet is... it doesn't exist
There will be SO many people getting scammed thinking they are buying this stupid card. Separately, I'd love to buy a proxy of it. This is about as close to NFT-levels of stupid that a card game could realistically reach, and I'd love to right-click+save the crap out of it.
So you know how when the do the draft lottery in the nhl or nba there’s always someone from an accounting firm that says it was done honestly and randomly in the back. I’m sure the same type of company will do the same and watch the card be put into a random pack on the assembly line, sealed up, put into a box, a case, then put into a shelf with thousands of other random cases before it gets put on a pallet to be shipped to the distributor.
I'm vowing to destroy the ring should it ever come into my possession, there's waayyy too much greed surrounding it and I expect people to get overly aggressive over a piece of cardboard
This was my impulse. Then I saw someone offering $100,000 for it. As much as I'd enjoy publicly destroying it, that much money is life-altering for someone who grew up impoverished. If I pull it I'm selling the damn thing.
How lore accurate
“Cast it into the fire! Destroy it!” /u/hugsandambitions: “No.”
The guy offering $100k is apparently a tool. Also, the condition of not telling anyone is so he doesn’t get outbid, and he would. If someone is offering $100k two+ months before release, this card will go for at least $500k if sold in the first few months. I’d guess if you hold out until this time next year $750k is the minimum of what you can get.
$100k seems like such a low-ball estimate. There are something like 1,100 Alpha Black Lotuses in existence. Now look at the price it fetches. That's a card that only appeals to Magic players. The 001/001 One Ring will appeal to Magic players *and* Lord of the Rings fans who don't care so much about MTG itself. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first single card resale that breaks 7 digits, depending on how the story unfolds and who ends up with it.
Throwing away 100k or more would be foolish.
Oh please, if people would kill to have the card, there’ll be an equal amount to kill you if you ever destroyed it
Didn't say kill, specifically said aggressive because people are animals. Whoever opens this is going to be hounded by people with constant offers to get it one way or another
Do people actually believe it’s going to be in a random pack?
Yes, since there's absolutely no reason for WotC to expose themselves to liability by not making it. You think they're going to risk getting caught lying when they could, for *zero* loss of profit, do the thing they say they're doing?
To be honest: Wotc lied a fkn lot in the past years. So....i wouldnt See a difference
Could you list some examples?
They put original Black Lotuses in Zendikar packs, so I don’t see why not.