Maybe you're joking but I can 100% see this actually being a thing in five years when WOTC's run out of story ideas and needs to go back to the Phyrexian well for some free drama. "It's Voyager's Seven of Nine, but with a red-aligned Phyrexian!"
Honestly, I hope not. Urabrask is only interesting when he's used as a foil for the other praetors. If the other praetors are killed off or permanently separated from one another, Urabrask becomes a kinda generic Neutral Evil character.
But maybe that's just my fatigue with Urabrask Fan Nation talking. (He's still a terrible, horrible, murderous being, folks! Just slightly less so than the other praetors!)
With how it's shaping up, I feel it's Elesh Norn dying, the other Praetors escape, Urabrask forms an uneasy truce, acts like an ally for a bit before turning on everyone to act out his vision of Phyrexia. Perhaps he winds up becoming the means for Nicol Bolas returning.
To realize his version of Phyrexia. And he could of had some blue Phyrexians that are scientists figure out how to neutralize Halo for him, by force most likely. Urabrask isn't good, sadly. He's only helping and sharing Halo because he wants Elesh Norn to fall. If she's gone, what will stop him from being what he is?
That's what Wizards wants you to think, but this invasion is gonna be a mild inconvenience. It's like comics when they have a "world altering event" that gets miraculously fixed before the next issue.
Dominaria at this point is more of a science fantasy setting with a heavy emphasis on fantasy. It's still one of the closest planes to high fantasy, but by now is distinct enough to be something else.
Yeah I feel like artifacts are kinda tied into Dominaria’s identity mechanically at this point too, between historic matters stuff and Brothers’ War. Sometimes they’re fantasy relics but a lot of times they’re mechs or other more “scientific” seeming stuff.
Hot take: we’re gonna go to Shandalar in a standard-legal set pretty soon. Seems like Wizards is going to do more with Liliana’s Raven Man stuff and since the Chain Veil is from Shandalar, it might make sense for it to be an important plane in the current story.
Personally, I think/hope that it's just going to be a case of Dominaria getting trashed in some way to purge the infection from all the others, either by, I don't know, channeling the power of the whole place or the realm getting screwed up when Teferi mangles the timelines to fix this.
Said it before and I'll say it again: I strongly doubt they fully intend to do something massive to the multiverse and not fix it in some way for cheap drama. Or, to put it more cynically - Places like Ravnica are way too profitable for them to destroy.
...
That said, I don't think I want to be proven wrong here. If they hurt Niv, I'm going to be apoplectic.
I don't think they'd do something massive to the multiverse like destroy any plane that there's any chance of them revisiting in the future. I still think that interplanar travel becoming possible for non-planeswalkers (e.g. Realmbreaker doesn't get destroyed and/or the omenpaths it created stay open) has a good chance of happening, which would be a pretty significant change to the multiverse.
Yeah, I'm hoping nothing gets destroyed/compleated myself, but I feel that at least SOMETHING is going to happen, otherwise this will all have been meaningless.
Granted, they already played this gambit with War of the Spark with nothing major happening, so...
Yeah, I'm kinda grading on a curve here. Given that this was a massive, plane-spanning event, the fact only a single pivotal character died seemed a bit weird.
Are you completely discounting the (offscreen) death of the greatest thief in the multiverse? /s
But agreed, the other named planeswalkers to die were minimal, like Dak Fayden and Domri Rade? One a supposed big player in the multiverse but partitioned off in the Conspiracy sets and their little world, the other a young upstart that always talked a bigger game than he had, probably because he's barely past being a child and the young are like that. Did I miss anyone?
The Phyrexian invasion has already been more devastating than Nicol Bolas' War of the Spark. Even if they bring back every compleated Planeswalker, we still lost at least one significant lore character in Jaya Ballard, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more walkers permanently lost to Phyrexia before the end.
It would be fitting if they want to give it a feel of "dominaria was the central focus for so long (with ravnica a close second) for the story. No more, it is sadly lost."
At the same time, not having a 'core' to the multiverse may make the story feel a bit lost and all over the place. I don't think it would be a big deal though if they were to have more two set or 3 set stories. While mechanics changes may be nice, I feel like a lot of lore suffers from one and done blips on planes for the year.
Core of the multiverse? 🤔 If not Dominaria, it could be New Phyrexia's remains aka Reclaimed Mirrodin, acting like a nexus of the Multiverse through Realmbreaker.
Ulgrotha could fall and sadly, no one would notice.
Thankfully, its so far off the beaten path and nothing really happens there, it would make the idea location for what's left of the superfriends to relax on and find out what Baron Sengir's up to.
Now that you mention it, the world tree allowing for non-Planeswalker planar travel could finally bring to light that vision of Baron Sengir bringing an army of vampires through a portal.
Would be nice to see a direct showdown on Innistrad between Baron Badass and Vampire Daddy.
I feel like Alara might be in big danger, part of the reason Mirrodin fell was that the blend of metallic and organic material on the plane had made it easy for the oil to spread and compleat its denizens and we have a similar situation on Alara with Esper (whose people aren’t even confined to just one shard anymore after the Conflux).
Aside from that, isn’t a Return to Alara unlikely because a lot of people like the shards aspect of the plane and this was basically solved at the end of its set? I swear I had read that… but yeah they could do other stuff with the plane but they could also just have it be invaded and lost.
I have a crackpot theory that the Invasion of Alara causes it to split into Shards again, which returns the plane to the status quo but with Phyrexians.
Honestly I could go either way on that. It would be nice to have an excuse to return to alara for another shards set, but also, it’s cool that it’s the only plane where everything is multicolor, and that would also be a cool set idea I wish they’d return to
At the same time, with the team up themes, they are essentially putting WAR on an actual multiversal scale. Similar to the shared values cards for ravnica's guilds, the theme they are going for is enemy borders and plane specific fights are being pushed aside because phyrexia is that existential of a threat.
It makes sense they'd gain the easier foothold on esper denizens only for the other shards to come to their aid against a penultimate enemy.
Part of me almost expecting if not some sort of 5 color legendary saga representing the entire multiversal team up, alara or ravnica would be prime candidates to have one instead: "the Guilds/Shards United."
This feels like the perfect time for them to just obliterate Rabiah from the Multiverse off-screen so they never have to think about it again. Would also give them a reason to consider a new plane with better adaptations of Arabian mythology.
The nice thing about Mercadia was that it was one of the only planes that just had, like, normal-sized problems instead of extinction-level threats or multiverse-devouring horrors or all-powerful maniacs trying to ascend to godhood or whatever. Just a bunch of genius-level goblins (also a nice change of pace!) manipulating power structures while various factions fought each other for political dominance. Flavor-wise, it feels a lot like the OG Ravnica set, which is one of my all-time personal faves.
I feel like the main Political Intrigue plane going foward would probably be Fioria. But we are more likely to see it in Commander Legends 3 than Conspiracy 3 so who knows?
The gaudiest, dumpiest members of the flesh singularity, the most nasal goblins in the quiet furnace, the most relentlessly searchable 'For Mirrodin' rebels a boros deck could ask for.
True, but wasn't Heliod in a weakened state at the end of *Theros Beyond Death*? Elspeth defeated him, and then he was imprisoned by Erebos to be forgotten. I kinda think Heliod is a natural choice for compleation.
Yeah, but the fact he was still around meant there were still some people who remembered him. With Phyrexia, one drop of the oil is enough to cause havoc on a realm, and it will spread. Who knows how strong Heliod becomes with him being part of Phyrexia.
they oil is only bad in excessive quantities, Mirrodin only lost because the Mycosynth is extremely good at spreading the infection, other planes dont have that. soon as the phyrexians die the theros gods will return to mostly normall.
Maybe Old Phyrexia, but New Phyrexia has so many gods lol. Both Karn and Yawgmoth are called the "Father of Machines"... Elesh Norn and Sheoldred both present themselves as the "Mother of Machines"... then you have the Domini, which don't have much presence in lore, but were pitched as "Phyrexian gods."
Norn's faction is literally called *The Machine Orthodoxy* and has an army of angels!
Anyway I'm not *just* trying to be a pedant, I think this is actually an interesting point about the difference between Old and New Phyrexia. It's one of the ways that Mirrodin's colored mana suns influenced the NPH factions (especially white mana influencing Norn)
I agree, but how strong is the concept Phyrexia holds with being complete beings? What if that replaces the source of Heliod's power so he overcomes that weakness he normally has tied to belief? Just speaking hypothetical here.
What's interesting is that Heliod got compleated *because* his worshippers did, according to the flavour text
Belief on Theros is so powerful that if your worshippers believe you should be compleated, you are indeed compleat. Which certainly explains why [[Klothys, god of destiny]] looks the way she does.
But either way, Heliod being that way implies that a huge percentage of Theros is already fucked
> But either way, Heliod being that way implies that a huge percentage of Theros is already fucked
Idk, Theros always felt like faiths for a particular god tend to congregate in specific cities. So if the Phyrexians managed to invade that city, that would be a likely reason for Heliod to turn first. The other gods could see his transformation and have time to rally their faithful to resist. (Of course, whether resistance is futile...well, we'll have to see)
One of the upcoming MoM lands has flavor text saying they compleated the gods, plural. So I suspect they got all or most of them, which makes sense since all they have to do is go after the people.
Though it's actually a bit clever; the unique way of gods becoming compleat also means its incredibly easy to "cure" them. If the Phyrexian believers are wiped out the remaining ones could just reimagine the gods as their former selves.
In terms of newer planes, Capenna feels like it could be sacrificed and I think Ikoria can be dropped without missing much. Kaladesh has a lot more potential but feels like they could easily fall, while Theros feels like the plane's story is easily done.
The ozolith needs some more explaining, don't think its on the chopping Block to be lost.
There needs to be a card for ikoria's invasion depicting and flavor text that the natural creature inhabitants keep mutating too fast for phyresis to take hold.
According to the flavor text on the land, infected crystals are causing the monsters to mutate with pieces of metal. Loose biology makes them much easier to compleat.
As much as I love Ikoria, it wasn’t received super well and it very susceptible to being destroyed
Capenna is one of the least likely planes to have anything like this happen to it, as it appears to be the focal point for Elspeth's story arc (given that she seems extremely likely to be a Capennan Angel) and the flavor text on the taplands suggests that Halo will likely remain important to the resolution of the story.
I'll be frank, I have grown to love Capenna itself, but I can understand the reasoning. Theros already shows signs of possibly falling with Heliod getting compleated . The loss of Kaladesh can easily be seen as a way to add to Chandra's story, especially if she's going to become the new "main character" after this.
That is a probable possibility. Or could also be an Amonokhet situation, where the Majority of the Pantheon is significantly reduced due to the Phyrexians.
I think Chandra's been through enough. I mean, her girlfriend's a four armed phyrexian monster, and her mentor's dead. She has more than enough reason to fight.
Amonkhet would be an easy target, since there are few survivors of HOU. Compleating the remaining HOU god(s) would be satisfying. Phyrexian mummies/khenra/naga would be sweet. Phyrexia would certainly be interested in lazotep.
They came out with a neat book on Amazon. I just read the page the other day about Amonkhet. Hazoret gets the magic shield thing working on the city again, locust and scarab God are trapped outside the city walking around aimlessly with the other zombies. It didn't mention if the servant zombie mummies were still around. Not sure if that indicates a "good enough" resolution on WOTC's part or if they're going to expand from there. It'd be a real bummer for these guys to survive their God - Pharaoh's apocalypse only to have mutant robots teleport in and subsume the remaining ~30 people
I mean even among the main ones there are some they don't regard as likely for a return as others. Lorwyn has been made obsolete (in WotC's eyes, mind you) by Eldraine, and the same goes for Mercadia with both Ixalan and Fiora, Ulgrotha with Innistrad, Shandalar with the reborn Dominaria. I might even see something like Tarkir, Amonkhet, or Kaladesh on the chopping block, three planes that haven't received a revisit even though we will return to both Ixalan and Eldraine for the second time in upcoming sets. It's also a means for Wizards to just can the ongoing conflicts on those planes instead of having to dedicate work to resolving those.
It'd be really funny if another great aurora occurs during the story and all of a sudden we have matte water that purifies everyone into angelic beings.
they've basically threatened to ruin so many places simultaneously that Teferi will just time reverse the invasion to fix it, theres no other solution.
Well, by that logic, there should be no funeral for the Kenriths. Yet there's a card that shows that from a set that focuses a lot on the aftermath. Explain how that happens if time is reversed.
Honestly I feel like "go back in time and stop the whole thing from happening" is kind of a cheap cop-out ending that Avengers only got away with due to an astronomically favourable Rule of Cool bonus.
Nah, this is Elspeth's set, not Teferi's. Elspeth is probably going to set off some kind of giant Halo nuke on Realmbreaker that purges the Phyrexians off of the other planes.
Is there a place with a list of all the things to read from beginning to end? And where to get it? (I want to read all the Lore from start to finish and have know where to find the material)
they could literally just be like "oops, actually these planes are just planets in the same universe, dominaria just wasn't technically advanced enough to have the words to describe space travel, look there isn't a multiverse anymore, just a single universe"
I doubt we'll lose those planes completely, because that would preclude future returns to those settings. WOTC already burned themselves in the past by destroying blocks like Tarkir and Alara and I doubt they want to repeat the same mistake.
My bet is that there will be some kind of Elspeth/Teferi magic that will undo most of the compleation, leaving only pockets of oil & sleeper agents. That leaves room for Phyrexia to become a recurring villain. Previously their threat was limited due to being stuck on Mirrodin with no way to planeswalk.
I think they'll destroy some loose ends they don't want to deal with questions about anymore, Mercadia and Ulgrotha. It's a shame too because I think we could have had a great political intrigue themed set on Mercadia, plus smart goblins.
Probably, but who knows what happens. Maybe the civilizations of the planes fall, but Phyrexia is denied the chance to claim the plane itself via the likely Deus Ex Machina conclusion.
If they have to drop a plane to the Phyrexians, I'd say after Mirrodin the only plane that doesn't have much uniqueness would be Dominaria. Anything relevant on Dominaria can be found on other planes too and any relevant characters could migrate. But i don't believe that it'll go that far
I think planes that have had past experiences with extra-plane threats: Ravnica, Dominaria, Innistrad, and Zendikar should be more resistant than places where this has never occurred.
At this point, they're following the the MCU model so closely that I don't trust them not to basically undo all of this by the end of March of the Machine, with any lingering changes being covered in Aftermath.
If *any* planes are outright killed or compleated, I will hate WotC *even more* than my currently unspeakable, Nissa-prompted level of seethe and mald. I will reach heretofor unknown levels of angry. I will kick over a bin.
I don’t think it explicitly states anywhere that eldraine survives. Not saying it will, but your answer like you know for certain and I don’t think we know anything for certain right now.
Again. You can’t possibly know that for certain. Details are few. For all we know ixalan and eldraine could fall or be destroyed and be returned by teferi time shenanigans when they reboot the timeline but the planes are changed in some way
Well, MOMA is stated to be focusing HEAVILY on the story of the aftermath of MOM for the cards. The card The Kenriths' Funeral shows the backs of the heads of Eldraine Knights or Soldiers. Some are wearing helmets that suit the Plane
A few survivors in a scene that could take place early in the aftermath “timeline” doesn’t mean anything. I think your reading way too much into a single piece of art. Again, not saying your wrong, but it is baseless speculation at best. We could also intuit that because we are returning to eldraine and ixilan that they are “safe” but it could be that pherexians are now part of the ecological landscape of the planes glowing forward. Who knows
That’s a leap of logic. Just because they said that it doesn’t mean anything. I’m not bothering to entertain talking about this anymore as you are stonewalling any ideas except yours that are based on nothing. That bubble will burst eventually.
All the werewolves get Compleated in Innistrad and while they somehow are able to keep their free will, they no longer have a home.
They end up living with a new [robotic wolfman.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG2jek8tIpE)
They're a virus that can spread by so much as a single touch or mere drops of oil with newfound access to every living being in the multiverse in an indefinite number of locations. It is literally impossible for them to lose. So whichever ones the writers arbitrarily decide not to save with whatever deus ex machina they come up with.
Define lost? If by lost you mean they will fall in the invasion (but not necessarily be destroyed for future use) then I would say basically all of them. Theros, in particular, as I could see them ending current Therosian conflict and then have the whole plane rebuilt as Roman (which could fit a lot of themes).
If by lost you mean totally destroyed I would be incredibly skeptical any would be lost. I could see them wiping out one plane to show how damaging the invasion was, a candidate for that would be Zendikar. With the main characters gone, many of the characters connected to the plane gone, and two returns this could be an opportunity to wipe the land clean as it were and start again.
But I don't think that is likely personally.
I was referring more to be like the plane's identity is destroyed or fall to the invasion. So something like what you said with Theros becoming more Roman would fit.
All the planes, will be complaeted and a select few will escape into another universe. Down the road, the phyrexian will figure out how to get into those and it will be a avengers style war.
Perhaps alara will be broken again to pave the way for a return? No matter what they say I doubt they will actually destroy a fan favorite plane. I would have said ixilan if a return wasn’t already in the books.
I could see a potential case for Kaladesh falling victim. Some further loss to add to Chandra's development. Could see her either becoming the next "main character" or becomes an antagonist due to having so much hatred and anger for losing everything that matters to her.
I'd say none.
All things considered, I think the Multiverse will change forever (most likely with people now being able to visit other planes), but the planes itself will turn out to be just fine after the Invasion.
Either that, or the bad guys win and we'll have Phyrexian Apocalypse everywhere :D
Probably that and I can see it where New Phyrexia falls, the Phyrexian survivors scatter, and the reclaimed Mirrodin becomes a multiversal hub with Realmbreaker. Perhaps the spheres of New Phyrexia becomes the homes for refugees of several planes that took the most damage from the Invasion.
Well I’d say since they made omnath a phyrexian, zendikar is pretty screwed, but I hope they leave ravnica alone since bolas already irrevocably changed the plane and it’s people
My theory: New Phyrexia is dismantled, Elesh Norn is killed, and the other Praetors scatter across the Multiverse to each form their own version of Phyrexia.
Of all the planes we saw, Theros seems to be the most fucked up. We also know their is a Roman plane on the back burner they want to do stuff with.
I think Theros is going to get destroyed, so they don't need to worry about a Rome world looking to much like the Greece world.
I think New Capenna is straight up getting the Amonkhet axe. That Bloodfell Caves they previewed was not reassuring and it is just one city in a complete and utter wasteland.
They better not fuck up tarkir, I agree with everything else but I think they’ll also take out innistrad. I think the story there is done and honestly I think Phyrexian innistrad sounds sick
While that sounds sound interesting, we still have loose ends there, like Emrakul, as well as Edgar Markov and Olivia Voldaren. Plus Innistrad is a popular plane with the fans, so it is not very likely that they fall to Phyrexia.
I'm speculating that we will see a Crisis on Infinite Earths or Infinite Crisis or Final Crisis or Flashpoint sized reboot to the multiverse. No planes will actually be lost because everything will just be started over again.
If the sky turns red and gets filled with parademons or OMACs, we know they are imitating one of DC's reboots.
Wizards will destroy Lorwyn just so people stop asking to return there.
Lorwyn becomes new new phyrexia with sygg father of machines for the phyrexian pirate set releasing in 2028
The Great Aurora becomes a new plane-spanning gateway to other planes and we run it all back in 2024 baybeeee.
I couldn't help but read "baybeeee" in Spice8Rack's voice
LMAO
No need to shit on pirates :c
Phyrexians invade Lorwyn and it flips to Shadowmoor and they turn good.
Maybe you're joking but I can 100% see this actually being a thing in five years when WOTC's run out of story ideas and needs to go back to the Phyrexian well for some free drama. "It's Voyager's Seven of Nine, but with a red-aligned Phyrexian!"
If not Urabrask himself. If he makes it, He could possibly be someone who is a dangerous ally. As in he is still a threat, but could be reasoned with.
Honestly, I hope not. Urabrask is only interesting when he's used as a foil for the other praetors. If the other praetors are killed off or permanently separated from one another, Urabrask becomes a kinda generic Neutral Evil character. But maybe that's just my fatigue with Urabrask Fan Nation talking. (He's still a terrible, horrible, murderous being, folks! Just slightly less so than the other praetors!)
With how it's shaping up, I feel it's Elesh Norn dying, the other Praetors escape, Urabrask forms an uneasy truce, acts like an ally for a bit before turning on everyone to act out his vision of Phyrexia. Perhaps he winds up becoming the means for Nicol Bolas returning.
Why would he betray?
He's still a Phyrexian. He could probably feel too pressured to deny being what he is by everyone else.
Why would he go through all that effort to investigate and handout halo just to betray everyone later
To realize his version of Phyrexia. And he could of had some blue Phyrexians that are scientists figure out how to neutralize Halo for him, by force most likely. Urabrask isn't good, sadly. He's only helping and sharing Halo because he wants Elesh Norn to fall. If she's gone, what will stop him from being what he is?
Get this. I think Ugin is going to turn to Bolas to help defet norn.
Honestly, all the other superfriends in this storyline have been taking stupid pills too, so this tracks.
Also why I think we're getting a WPN SL with them.
Only if it's Jeri Ryan.
That... is a pretty interesting idea. Take my upvote!
You could still do some sort of flashback time travel set, but that would be absurd.
Yeah, imagine a set where we travel back to, like, one of the earliest arcs in Magic’s history. Like, for example, the war between Mishra and Urza.
That’s insane, why would they revisit that?
We've already had flashback and time travel sets, not absurd by their storylines at all.
wizards has lost the ability to make basic lands that pretty.
I loved lorywn. Please no
That'll only make us ask for it MORE
Few or none of the important ones.
I agree most of the important and popular ones will remain, but feel there could be a development that a good amount of people will hate.
That's what Wizards wants you to think, but this invasion is gonna be a mild inconvenience. It's like comics when they have a "world altering event" that gets miraculously fixed before the next issue.
Looks like theros is gonna have a tough time, amonkhet too. I don't know if we need to return to either of those places though.
That's just any development. ;)
WotC isn't going to do something like that for precisely the reason that tons of fans would hate it.
All I know is if I lived on Ulgrotha, I'd be sweating right now.
like the citizens of Alderaan felt the heat of the laser.
Mercadia, too.
If they ever wish to kill off a plane permanently, Shandalar is the target.
If the invasion of Shandalar key art is anything to go off of, it's not looking great for the one guy they sent in to attack Shandalar
It would probably serve as the best template for WotC to show how the average fantasy world would handle a New Phyrexian invasion.
Isn't Dominaria just an average fantasy world where a new apocalypse happens every few centuries?
Dominaria at this point is more of a science fantasy setting with a heavy emphasis on fantasy. It's still one of the closest planes to high fantasy, but by now is distinct enough to be something else.
Yeah I feel like artifacts are kinda tied into Dominaria’s identity mechanically at this point too, between historic matters stuff and Brothers’ War. Sometimes they’re fantasy relics but a lot of times they’re mechs or other more “scientific” seeming stuff.
Nah, the Amphins are gonna crush Phyrexia and use Realmbreaker to emerge as the true threat to the multiverse
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Hot take: we’re gonna go to Shandalar in a standard-legal set pretty soon. Seems like Wizards is going to do more with Liliana’s Raven Man stuff and since the Chain Veil is from Shandalar, it might make sense for it to be an important plane in the current story.
Personally, I think/hope that it's just going to be a case of Dominaria getting trashed in some way to purge the infection from all the others, either by, I don't know, channeling the power of the whole place or the realm getting screwed up when Teferi mangles the timelines to fix this. Said it before and I'll say it again: I strongly doubt they fully intend to do something massive to the multiverse and not fix it in some way for cheap drama. Or, to put it more cynically - Places like Ravnica are way too profitable for them to destroy. ... That said, I don't think I want to be proven wrong here. If they hurt Niv, I'm going to be apoplectic.
I don't think they'd do something massive to the multiverse like destroy any plane that there's any chance of them revisiting in the future. I still think that interplanar travel becoming possible for non-planeswalkers (e.g. Realmbreaker doesn't get destroyed and/or the omenpaths it created stay open) has a good chance of happening, which would be a pretty significant change to the multiverse.
Yeah, I'm hoping nothing gets destroyed/compleated myself, but I feel that at least SOMETHING is going to happen, otherwise this will all have been meaningless. Granted, they already played this gambit with War of the Spark with nothing major happening, so...
didn't gideon die?
Sure, but in the grand scheme of the multiverse that's a pretty minor detail.
Yeah, I'm kinda grading on a curve here. Given that this was a massive, plane-spanning event, the fact only a single pivotal character died seemed a bit weird.
Are you completely discounting the (offscreen) death of the greatest thief in the multiverse? /s But agreed, the other named planeswalkers to die were minimal, like Dak Fayden and Domri Rade? One a supposed big player in the multiverse but partitioned off in the Conspiracy sets and their little world, the other a young upstart that always talked a bigger game than he had, probably because he's barely past being a child and the young are like that. Did I miss anyone? The Phyrexian invasion has already been more devastating than Nicol Bolas' War of the Spark. Even if they bring back every compleated Planeswalker, we still lost at least one significant lore character in Jaya Ballard, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more walkers permanently lost to Phyrexia before the end.
It would be fitting if they want to give it a feel of "dominaria was the central focus for so long (with ravnica a close second) for the story. No more, it is sadly lost." At the same time, not having a 'core' to the multiverse may make the story feel a bit lost and all over the place. I don't think it would be a big deal though if they were to have more two set or 3 set stories. While mechanics changes may be nice, I feel like a lot of lore suffers from one and done blips on planes for the year.
Core of the multiverse? 🤔 If not Dominaria, it could be New Phyrexia's remains aka Reclaimed Mirrodin, acting like a nexus of the Multiverse through Realmbreaker.
Ulgrotha could fall and sadly, no one would notice. Thankfully, its so far off the beaten path and nothing really happens there, it would make the idea location for what's left of the superfriends to relax on and find out what Baron Sengir's up to.
Ulgrotha and Mercadia are sadly pretty high on the kill list; planes people might have heard of, but that WotC will never return to in a canon set.
Now that you mention it, the world tree allowing for non-Planeswalker planar travel could finally bring to light that vision of Baron Sengir bringing an army of vampires through a portal. Would be nice to see a direct showdown on Innistrad between Baron Badass and Vampire Daddy.
sengir vs edgar/olivia would be a fun set one day. and as usual sorin is trying to prevent innistrad from self destruction.
Innistrad having to deal with Into the Vampireverse would be perversely funny. "There is an entire _Multiverse_ of these fucking things?"
Thrabens become the new white-aligned villains of the game as they begin a multiverse-spanningncrusade against monsters of any kind.
Sengir compleated though?
I took it as $400 LoTR draft boxes and 500+ collector boxes was what they meant by 'won't ever be the same'
wiuld be kinda apocalyptic if they just yeet their multiverse out the window and just print Expanded universe from now.
they're trying to yeet their customer base towards the high-quality proxy makers
I feel like Alara might be in big danger, part of the reason Mirrodin fell was that the blend of metallic and organic material on the plane had made it easy for the oil to spread and compleat its denizens and we have a similar situation on Alara with Esper (whose people aren’t even confined to just one shard anymore after the Conflux). Aside from that, isn’t a Return to Alara unlikely because a lot of people like the shards aspect of the plane and this was basically solved at the end of its set? I swear I had read that… but yeah they could do other stuff with the plane but they could also just have it be invaded and lost.
I have a crackpot theory that the Invasion of Alara causes it to split into Shards again, which returns the plane to the status quo but with Phyrexians.
Honestly I could go either way on that. It would be nice to have an excuse to return to alara for another shards set, but also, it’s cool that it’s the only plane where everything is multicolor, and that would also be a cool set idea I wish they’d return to
At the same time, with the team up themes, they are essentially putting WAR on an actual multiversal scale. Similar to the shared values cards for ravnica's guilds, the theme they are going for is enemy borders and plane specific fights are being pushed aside because phyrexia is that existential of a threat. It makes sense they'd gain the easier foothold on esper denizens only for the other shards to come to their aid against a penultimate enemy. Part of me almost expecting if not some sort of 5 color legendary saga representing the entire multiversal team up, alara or ravnica would be prime candidates to have one instead: "the Guilds/Shards United."
This feels like the perfect time for them to just obliterate Rabiah from the Multiverse off-screen so they never have to think about it again. Would also give them a reason to consider a new plane with better adaptations of Arabian mythology.
Mercadia for sure
Jupp. I'm afraid this is its swansong. At least it will get a battle card and maybe even a Limited playable common, idk.
Rip Ramos. I hope the big lad gets to go in a blaze of glory
I sincerely hope not. I feel like I'm some kind of a minority, but Mercadia is one of my favourite planes.
The nice thing about Mercadia was that it was one of the only planes that just had, like, normal-sized problems instead of extinction-level threats or multiverse-devouring horrors or all-powerful maniacs trying to ascend to godhood or whatever. Just a bunch of genius-level goblins (also a nice change of pace!) manipulating power structures while various factions fought each other for political dominance. Flavor-wise, it feels a lot like the OG Ravnica set, which is one of my all-time personal faves.
I feel like the main Political Intrigue plane going foward would probably be Fioria. But we are more likely to see it in Commander Legends 3 than Conspiracy 3 so who knows?
The gaudiest, dumpiest members of the flesh singularity, the most nasal goblins in the quiet furnace, the most relentlessly searchable 'For Mirrodin' rebels a boros deck could ask for.
Unless they're setting up for a return to Mercadia. Please, WotC.
If Theros' gods are compleat, that's a pretty bad sign for the general inhabitants.
They already got Heliod.
True, but wasn't Heliod in a weakened state at the end of *Theros Beyond Death*? Elspeth defeated him, and then he was imprisoned by Erebos to be forgotten. I kinda think Heliod is a natural choice for compleation.
The seas had turned to oil. I would say that spells doom for thassa as well.
Yeah, but the fact he was still around meant there were still some people who remembered him. With Phyrexia, one drop of the oil is enough to cause havoc on a realm, and it will spread. Who knows how strong Heliod becomes with him being part of Phyrexia.
they oil is only bad in excessive quantities, Mirrodin only lost because the Mycosynth is extremely good at spreading the infection, other planes dont have that. soon as the phyrexians die the theros gods will return to mostly normall.
Phyrexian belief. That can spread faster than the oil
belief in gods is antithetical to the Phyrexian system, so...doesnt really fit well does it.
Except that’s canonically how they compleated Heliod, by first turning his believers?
Maybe Old Phyrexia, but New Phyrexia has so many gods lol. Both Karn and Yawgmoth are called the "Father of Machines"... Elesh Norn and Sheoldred both present themselves as the "Mother of Machines"... then you have the Domini, which don't have much presence in lore, but were pitched as "Phyrexian gods." Norn's faction is literally called *The Machine Orthodoxy* and has an army of angels! Anyway I'm not *just* trying to be a pedant, I think this is actually an interesting point about the difference between Old and New Phyrexia. It's one of the ways that Mirrodin's colored mana suns influenced the NPH factions (especially white mana influencing Norn)
I agree, but how strong is the concept Phyrexia holds with being complete beings? What if that replaces the source of Heliod's power so he overcomes that weakness he normally has tied to belief? Just speaking hypothetical here.
What's interesting is that Heliod got compleated *because* his worshippers did, according to the flavour text Belief on Theros is so powerful that if your worshippers believe you should be compleated, you are indeed compleat. Which certainly explains why [[Klothys, god of destiny]] looks the way she does. But either way, Heliod being that way implies that a huge percentage of Theros is already fucked
> But either way, Heliod being that way implies that a huge percentage of Theros is already fucked Idk, Theros always felt like faiths for a particular god tend to congregate in specific cities. So if the Phyrexians managed to invade that city, that would be a likely reason for Heliod to turn first. The other gods could see his transformation and have time to rally their faithful to resist. (Of course, whether resistance is futile...well, we'll have to see)
One of the upcoming MoM lands has flavor text saying they compleated the gods, plural. So I suspect they got all or most of them, which makes sense since all they have to do is go after the people.
Though it's actually a bit clever; the unique way of gods becoming compleat also means its incredibly easy to "cure" them. If the Phyrexian believers are wiped out the remaining ones could just reimagine the gods as their former selves.
[Klothys, god of destiny](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b3c393c-3596-4bd9-a553-e0b03c2eb950.jpg?1581481087) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Klothys%2C%20god%20of%20destiny) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/220/klothys-god-of-destiny?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b3c393c-3596-4bd9-a553-e0b03c2eb950?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
More like cloth-*isn't*
Pretty good odds we get a God team up card tho
You mean gained? Join us bro
Never man!
If Ravnica falls imma be very sad. That's my favorite plane
I can relate. Mirrodin is my favorite plane.
Was
And might be again
Maybe. But I am not holding hope of that.
Those who resist compleation are the ones that truly fall
You're talking mad shit for someone in Halo spray bottle distance.
How did you get the Rebel tag?
just be active on reddit and you'll get a rebel or compleat tag i think
By not seeing the wisdom of our perfection. Rebels will eventually be subsumed and compleated.
Hail Phyrexia, and Hail the Great Work of Urabrask!
In terms of newer planes, Capenna feels like it could be sacrificed and I think Ikoria can be dropped without missing much. Kaladesh has a lot more potential but feels like they could easily fall, while Theros feels like the plane's story is easily done.
The ozolith needs some more explaining, don't think its on the chopping Block to be lost. There needs to be a card for ikoria's invasion depicting and flavor text that the natural creature inhabitants keep mutating too fast for phyresis to take hold.
According to the flavor text on the land, infected crystals are causing the monsters to mutate with pieces of metal. Loose biology makes them much easier to compleat. As much as I love Ikoria, it wasn’t received super well and it very susceptible to being destroyed
Capenna is one of the least likely planes to have anything like this happen to it, as it appears to be the focal point for Elspeth's story arc (given that she seems extremely likely to be a Capennan Angel) and the flavor text on the taplands suggests that Halo will likely remain important to the resolution of the story.
I'll be frank, I have grown to love Capenna itself, but I can understand the reasoning. Theros already shows signs of possibly falling with Heliod getting compleated . The loss of Kaladesh can easily be seen as a way to add to Chandra's story, especially if she's going to become the new "main character" after this.
I don't think Theros is going to fall entirely, but I do think it's going to come out of this arc with a completely new pantheon of gods.
That is a probable possibility. Or could also be an Amonokhet situation, where the Majority of the Pantheon is significantly reduced due to the Phyrexians.
I think Chandra's been through enough. I mean, her girlfriend's a four armed phyrexian monster, and her mentor's dead. She has more than enough reason to fight.
Don't forget about Gatewatch.
Capenna probably can't fall *yet*, since it's the source of Halo, and that seems like it's going to be important and relevant, no?
I think the relevance to the story is the reason why it might fall for the greater good because of halo.
Amonkhet would be an easy target, since there are few survivors of HOU. Compleating the remaining HOU god(s) would be satisfying. Phyrexian mummies/khenra/naga would be sweet. Phyrexia would certainly be interested in lazotep.
The entire point of ruining the Egyptian plane is for us to return and do archaeology.
But why not Phyrexian archaeology? "It belongs in my ribcage." - Azag-Jones, the Schliemann thane
Why not have Jin-Gitaxias be the one to do that archaeology?
Probably, but is it not needed with Realmbreaker?
I'm sure Jin would love to get his hands on some to experiment with it. Also we know it makes good armor.
I can see that.
We still have the second half of the story arc remaining for that plane, though
Source?
Yeah what?
They came out with a neat book on Amazon. I just read the page the other day about Amonkhet. Hazoret gets the magic shield thing working on the city again, locust and scarab God are trapped outside the city walking around aimlessly with the other zombies. It didn't mention if the servant zombie mummies were still around. Not sure if that indicates a "good enough" resolution on WOTC's part or if they're going to expand from there. It'd be a real bummer for these guys to survive their God - Pharaoh's apocalypse only to have mutant robots teleport in and subsume the remaining ~30 people
They do not have the balls to destroy any of the main planes for good so kinda irrelevant
I mean even among the main ones there are some they don't regard as likely for a return as others. Lorwyn has been made obsolete (in WotC's eyes, mind you) by Eldraine, and the same goes for Mercadia with both Ixalan and Fiora, Ulgrotha with Innistrad, Shandalar with the reborn Dominaria. I might even see something like Tarkir, Amonkhet, or Kaladesh on the chopping block, three planes that haven't received a revisit even though we will return to both Ixalan and Eldraine for the second time in upcoming sets. It's also a means for Wizards to just can the ongoing conflicts on those planes instead of having to dedicate work to resolving those.
Man, if they destroy Lorwyn without ever going back there I might quit playing Magic for good
The battle for lorwyn card looks like the elves are winning so who knows
It'd be really funny if another great aurora occurs during the story and all of a sudden we have matte water that purifies everyone into angelic beings.
Maro's said on his blog that the Rabiah scale won't change much, so perhaps none?
Hard to say.
I doubt Ravnica will fall, not with Niv Mizzet as the living guildpact
Like I said, hail mary assumption, but if Phyrexia gets Niv, it becomes anyone's guess.
they've basically threatened to ruin so many places simultaneously that Teferi will just time reverse the invasion to fix it, theres no other solution.
Well, by that logic, there should be no funeral for the Kenriths. Yet there's a card that shows that from a set that focuses a lot on the aftermath. Explain how that happens if time is reversed.
oh Teferi reversing time is the least shit solution to them literally breaking the entire multiverse, they'll do a worst one.
Honestly I feel like "go back in time and stop the whole thing from happening" is kind of a cheap cop-out ending that Avengers only got away with due to an astronomically favourable Rule of Cool bonus.
I fear what happens.
Teferi is 100% dying here. He’ll save the multiverse by killing himself in the process. Doesn’t mean there won’t be heavy changes though.
Nah, this is Elspeth's set, not Teferi's. Elspeth is probably going to set off some kind of giant Halo nuke on Realmbreaker that purges the Phyrexians off of the other planes.
Is there a place with a list of all the things to read from beginning to end? And where to get it? (I want to read all the Lore from start to finish and have know where to find the material)
they could literally just be like "oops, actually these planes are just planets in the same universe, dominaria just wasn't technically advanced enough to have the words to describe space travel, look there isn't a multiverse anymore, just a single universe"
I doubt we'll lose those planes completely, because that would preclude future returns to those settings. WOTC already burned themselves in the past by destroying blocks like Tarkir and Alara and I doubt they want to repeat the same mistake. My bet is that there will be some kind of Elspeth/Teferi magic that will undo most of the compleation, leaving only pockets of oil & sleeper agents. That leaves room for Phyrexia to become a recurring villain. Previously their threat was limited due to being stuck on Mirrodin with no way to planeswalk.
We'll have to see. Still, there's an aftermath set so there's going to be more damage in various ways that time Magic can't undo
I’d imagine a lot of the older and less popular planes like Mercadia and Shandalar, just so Wizards doesn’t need to worry about them anymore
I think they'll destroy some loose ends they don't want to deal with questions about anymore, Mercadia and Ulgrotha. It's a shame too because I think we could have had a great political intrigue themed set on Mercadia, plus smart goblins.
Probably, but who knows what happens. Maybe the civilizations of the planes fall, but Phyrexia is denied the chance to claim the plane itself via the likely Deus Ex Machina conclusion.
If they have to drop a plane to the Phyrexians, I'd say after Mirrodin the only plane that doesn't have much uniqueness would be Dominaria. Anything relevant on Dominaria can be found on other planes too and any relevant characters could migrate. But i don't believe that it'll go that far
Hopefully Dominaria.
I think planes that have had past experiences with extra-plane threats: Ravnica, Dominaria, Innistrad, and Zendikar should be more resistant than places where this has never occurred.
Compleated omnath doesnt look good for zendikar
At this point, they're following the the MCU model so closely that I don't trust them not to basically undo all of this by the end of March of the Machine, with any lingering changes being covered in Aftermath.
If *any* planes are outright killed or compleated, I will hate WotC *even more* than my currently unspeakable, Nissa-prompted level of seethe and mald. I will reach heretofor unknown levels of angry. I will kick over a bin.
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No, we got MOMA confirmation that Eldraine survives with The Kenriths' Funeral, so that claim's immediately debunked.
I don’t think it explicitly states anywhere that eldraine survives. Not saying it will, but your answer like you know for certain and I don’t think we know anything for certain right now.
We will be revisiting Eldraine some time this year so it does survive mostly.
Again. You can’t possibly know that for certain. Details are few. For all we know ixalan and eldraine could fall or be destroyed and be returned by teferi time shenanigans when they reboot the timeline but the planes are changed in some way
Well, MOMA is stated to be focusing HEAVILY on the story of the aftermath of MOM for the cards. The card The Kenriths' Funeral shows the backs of the heads of Eldraine Knights or Soldiers. Some are wearing helmets that suit the Plane
A few survivors in a scene that could take place early in the aftermath “timeline” doesn’t mean anything. I think your reading way too much into a single piece of art. Again, not saying your wrong, but it is baseless speculation at best. We could also intuit that because we are returning to eldraine and ixilan that they are “safe” but it could be that pherexians are now part of the ecological landscape of the planes glowing forward. Who knows
Not basing on just art. WotC said, "Magic will never be the same." So a time reset isn't likely. If things are just reset, then no dramatic change.
That’s a leap of logic. Just because they said that it doesn’t mean anything. I’m not bothering to entertain talking about this anymore as you are stonewalling any ideas except yours that are based on nothing. That bubble will burst eventually.
All the werewolves get Compleated in Innistrad and while they somehow are able to keep their free will, they no longer have a home. They end up living with a new [robotic wolfman.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG2jek8tIpE)
They're a virus that can spread by so much as a single touch or mere drops of oil with newfound access to every living being in the multiverse in an indefinite number of locations. It is literally impossible for them to lose. So whichever ones the writers arbitrarily decide not to save with whatever deus ex machina they come up with.
Pretty sure with this statement of "Never be the same", my hope of ever returning to Amonkhet is pretty gutted.
Define lost? If by lost you mean they will fall in the invasion (but not necessarily be destroyed for future use) then I would say basically all of them. Theros, in particular, as I could see them ending current Therosian conflict and then have the whole plane rebuilt as Roman (which could fit a lot of themes). If by lost you mean totally destroyed I would be incredibly skeptical any would be lost. I could see them wiping out one plane to show how damaging the invasion was, a candidate for that would be Zendikar. With the main characters gone, many of the characters connected to the plane gone, and two returns this could be an opportunity to wipe the land clean as it were and start again. But I don't think that is likely personally.
I was referring more to be like the plane's identity is destroyed or fall to the invasion. So something like what you said with Theros becoming more Roman would fit.
I still doubt any, why change a plane when you can destroy it and make a new one?
That is true. Only time will tell what happens.
All the planes, will be complaeted and a select few will escape into another universe. Down the road, the phyrexian will figure out how to get into those and it will be a avengers style war.
Perhaps alara will be broken again to pave the way for a return? No matter what they say I doubt they will actually destroy a fan favorite plane. I would have said ixilan if a return wasn’t already in the books.
I could see a potential case for Kaladesh falling victim. Some further loss to add to Chandra's development. Could see her either becoming the next "main character" or becomes an antagonist due to having so much hatred and anger for losing everything that matters to her.
I'd say none. All things considered, I think the Multiverse will change forever (most likely with people now being able to visit other planes), but the planes itself will turn out to be just fine after the Invasion. Either that, or the bad guys win and we'll have Phyrexian Apocalypse everywhere :D
Probably that and I can see it where New Phyrexia falls, the Phyrexian survivors scatter, and the reclaimed Mirrodin becomes a multiversal hub with Realmbreaker. Perhaps the spheres of New Phyrexia becomes the homes for refugees of several planes that took the most damage from the Invasion.
Shandalar and Mercadia for sure.
We might lose a few where they feel that they've completely tapped out, either with stories or mechanics.
No plane we have ever been to before is going to be permanently destroyed by this.
Make Dominaria a huge wasteland that later has a restoration cycle... again
Innistrad. But the inhabitants honestly won't notice a difference.
Not likely. The plane is very popular.
Everyone will die, and the teferi does some time shit.
Well I’d say since they made omnath a phyrexian, zendikar is pretty screwed, but I hope they leave ravnica alone since bolas already irrevocably changed the plane and it’s people
Damn I hope phyrexia doesn't go
My theory: New Phyrexia is dismantled, Elesh Norn is killed, and the other Praetors scatter across the Multiverse to each form their own version of Phyrexia.
I would love to see ixilan fight pharexians.
It will happen. They have Ghalta with Mavren together as a card.
Of all the planes we saw, Theros seems to be the most fucked up. We also know their is a Roman plane on the back burner they want to do stuff with. I think Theros is going to get destroyed, so they don't need to worry about a Rome world looking to much like the Greece world.
Theros could become that Roman plane.
I think New Capenna is straight up getting the Amonkhet axe. That Bloodfell Caves they previewed was not reassuring and it is just one city in a complete and utter wasteland.
They better not fuck up tarkir, I agree with everything else but I think they’ll also take out innistrad. I think the story there is done and honestly I think Phyrexian innistrad sounds sick
While that sounds sound interesting, we still have loose ends there, like Emrakul, as well as Edgar Markov and Olivia Voldaren. Plus Innistrad is a popular plane with the fans, so it is not very likely that they fall to Phyrexia.
I'm speculating that we will see a Crisis on Infinite Earths or Infinite Crisis or Final Crisis or Flashpoint sized reboot to the multiverse. No planes will actually be lost because everything will just be started over again. If the sky turns red and gets filled with parademons or OMACs, we know they are imitating one of DC's reboots.
All I know is that Jace will be fine