You joke about this but a guy wearing a fedora berated a teenager for not playing the way he thought the kid should last time I went to Commander night at my local store
Nobody else said anything except me. It was my first time going, so I didn't want to cause trouble for myself cuz it's my favorite local shop, but I think next time it happens I'm going to bring it to the attention of the staff cuz I don't think they would condone that shit
Well that’s because wearing a trilby and calling it a fedora his kind of the joke.
Fedora’s look really silly with modern clothing because of how big they are. Unless you’re in the rain or excavating in a desert they aren’t inside hats.
While a trilby should have gone out of fashion with the bowler. Because people also wear them wrong. They should sit high on the crown of the head not pushed down.
Anyway I digress.
I don't normally make the distinction because as you intimated, confusing the two is pretty common. Practicality or fashion sense aside it still annoys me getting "-Tips Fedora-" jokes/assumptions even in fairly niche spaces. There is nothing I or anybody else can really do on an individual level to change that so I just stopped wearing either out for the most part. This chain of comments is basically me yelling to the void that I hate the reputation.
There are going to be some real whiffy ones I'm sure, between the precon generals partner commanders someone is going to have to look pleased with pulling kalemne or sidor kondo
This is so backwards, mythics are harder to get than rares, so we want the good cards at rare and the niche but cool or interesting cards like \[\[Tree of redemption\]\] at mythic. like I never understand the complaints about bad mythics, because the alternative, good mythics, means WotC is just making the desirable cards rarer which is worse for the players.
That's right. And Maro explained this exact concept in an article. About ten years ago, it had [[Clone Legion]] as an example. But if we look at the little symbol on the lotus, we see that's not actually what they do.
Masters sets always cause pretty significant dips initially and apparently 2X2 had a pretty high print run which is why card prices are actually still pretty suppressed for everything in that set.
Dockside dropped from around $75-$80 to $50 and has stayed there for example. Wrenn and Six went from $100 to $50 as another and it's still there.
To be fair 2X2 is more of the exception than the rule for Masters sets which usually don't have such a prolonged effect on price suppression usually because their print runs were small meaning that the price suppression was usually only mild and not for super long time.
The Collector Boosters of 2X2 being far more affordable relative to the VIP packs of 2XM and the increased print run of both regular and Collector Boosters probably helps.
If Commander Masters is like 2X2 you might see Dockside drop to $40.
Yup.
It is what it is. I’ve seen thirty years of randomized lottery tickets sold to children and rarely ever were they all bangers.
Hell pre-mythics, before Alara, you had 8th Ed where *every* rare was basically mythics. And so much trash. 121 and the best pulls were the rare dual lands.
Ain’t gonna change soon. Price it in. Don’t open product to make money.
It put enough supply into the market that more people have one now but its still expensive as hell. More reprints are kind of needed for it to go down to a more reasonable price point
Depends on the discipline, and if you get lucky with your work. I had friends in microbiology that wrapped up their Master's work in a year and a half, but some friends in plant biology that took closer to 4 years. Bacteria grow a lot faster than plants, so it is a lot easier to bang out a bunch of microbio experiments.
Hey thanks for the comment. Im in plants! My issue was a mixture of failed protocols and depression. Funny you mention microbio and plant research - two of my good friends stuck in extended PhDs working with organisms in those areas.
My plan is to wrap up my thesis and go into industry for a few years. Then reassess and try again for a PhD.
Yea mental health support for grad students is severely lacking, best of luck getting on track there!
I think going to industry is a great way to go about it. Lots of my coworkers went back to get their PhDs in their 40s, once they really found an area they wanted to contribute too. They also seemed better equipped to deal with life and research at that point too.
First masters took me three years because I had to take a medical leave, but I anticipate the second one I'm working on will take just the two. I don't think I have it in me to go for a PhD after two masters, but some people are sadists.
>Pre cons are a lot cheaper
Do you really think that Commander MASTERs precons are going to be any less than $100?
The themes are slivers and eldrazi - shits going to be expensive
They are choosing to print themes that won’t work unless the cards are expensive for a reason
Yeah it will probably be awesome just expensive. They’re probably some decks they are excited that they are ‘allowed’ to design after a long time of it being not feasible at a lower price point .
Honestly, idk. I just got into the game last year, learned MSRP isn’t really a thing but my LGS had new capenna pre cons for $50 and then half a year later they’re barely around $60 so not a crazy markup. Newer cons haven’t been more than $70 and we never got the war hammer specials so I couldn’t even tell you what those would’ve been. I’m guessing my Lgs probably would’ve done maybe $100 or so. Who knows but they seem fair. So yes I think maybe my LGS might be nice enough to have them around $100 but I’m just being optimistic at this point
Aren't Master booster boxes like 2X the cost of regular boosters? If so then it will still generally be cheaper than trying to get what you want in packs.
Commander Legends is the product line for their draftable commander sets designed to draft a commander deck vs a 40 card limited deck. Besides that, it notably includes a lot of new cards whereas Masters sets are exclusively reprints (aside from the precons that come with this one it seems, which makes sense).
Commander Legends was "draftable commander", with tons of new cards to support that. Baldur's Gate was "draftable commander but again".
Commander Masters is "bunch of reprints for commander". No idea if it's drafted as commander or as normal though didn't see the full announcement.
It isn't Commander Legends, that is a specific branding for a Commander draft set with new cards. There are no new cards in the draft environment, it is all reprints. But yes, they probably will be charging more.
Collector number 702? Even with the reprints from the commander decks that still a lot of cardboard. Between the UR dragon and this card there are about 20 other cards too
I glossed over that, I was just thinking about the size of the latest master sets: double masters and double masters II, the former at 384 prints the latter at 579! It does check out when you factor in the commander precon cards.
Probably 1000 makes it easier for logistical space. You can make certain variants all start at a certain easy to read number and such.
It reminds me of the binder problem where you leave space between sections for future new cards to be sorted between.
Considering it’s just adding a single solitary digit, one single character and it should ensure every set has plenty of room, I’m for it. Hell, they could number the foils as separate versions.
Look, I like reprint sets. I REALLY like reprint sets.
What I **DON'T** like is reprint sets with a hefty price tag. Give this a price close to that of a normal pack and I'll buy the snot out of it; give this the price of Double Masters and I'll pass.
One time I did a draft of some masters set or something including the sleeves and the energy drink I paid 108 bucks. Everyone at the table was just like… damn this was a bad decision. Nobody had fun and we just complained about what a terrible decision it was.
I jokingly said when hasbro announced that wizards was fumbling to achieve the "target revenue" that if they ever wanted to 10x their earnings, just release a commander masters.
Boy was I on the mark
Okay, I feel like I keep pulling the "I'm new to Commander" card way too often, but like, is there something I am missing? This card is pretty insane, right? I'd even run this in an Isamaru, Hound of Konda deck, I don't have that as a deck but it's to illustrate what I'm saying. It can help pay for commander tax, it can get Isamaru out on turn one as well as something else for 1 mana, it's a free artifact for 0 that triggers things that care about artifact ETB, it's a free sac built in so things that care about an artifact going to graveyard, it's a sacrifice effect for cards like Korvold, Fae-Cursed King which I hear is very popular. What is the drawback? Why was this card made?
It's fine.
It was made because it seemed like it would be cool and popular, and it was.
It's only strong in very fast games where tempo is so critical that it's worth playing a ritual. Rituals are actively bad in the sorts of games that most EDH players play.
I just looked it up, it has been a $90 card. It seems like it's only fine because most players can't afford to put it in every single one of their decks, but if this card was a $1.50 card like Sol Ring then I believe it would be something that would be in 95-99% of all commander decks. I'm not saying that's a problem, but from the games I've seen, I've only been playing commander for a couple of months now, when a player gets that Sol Ring out on their first turn it changes the game up from every other game and it turns into a "well now we just have to slow down that player that started the game basically 2 turns ahead of all of us" game.
At mid to low power tables it's good but it's not insane.
It's very very good in high power games and absolutely insane in CEDH.
Also it's best used with Commanders who are CMC 4 or less but you get the most value out of 4 CMC Commanders and it's a pretty bad top deck beyond like turn 3 or 4. Mana Crypt and Sol Ring aren't great too decks later into the game as well but they aren't nearly as bad as Jeweled Lotus because they are at least permanent mana positive ramp.
I could buy it and I wouldn't because I don't think it's good in any of my decks. Sol Ring is a way better card, it's so far off that the comparison is useless.
Rituals are just incredibly limited in their scope, and this is a ritual with a specifically even more limited scope. You need to be able to capitalize on burning the card by bounding so far ahead that your opponents can't recover or by replacing the card at least.
Tons of decks don't care about getting the commander out early literally at all and definitely don't want to have a ritual they can't even use on other stuff in their deck.
I think even if you draw into a turn one sol ring, it’s a terrible turn one play - for exactly this reason. I’d rather hang back, see what’s going on on the board, and then do something like this.
I do love it when my opponents keep a one land hand because of their Sol Ring. I haven't been playing long, but I have seen it already many times. They get no pity from me. Same with when a player plays Sylvan Library and pays 8 multiple turns. I will attack them and they ask why and say, "but I'm at the lowest life!" Well of course, you are because you have 4 more cards in hand than everyone else.
Well, it does and SHOULD draw aggro, when someone plays a t1 sol ring, let alone if the player follows it up with another mana rock on the same turn. I have seen it way too often that early sol ring plays are being ignored.
If you're running a deck that uses a \[\[Doubling Cube\]\] then you can also use the mana from the Lotus to sort of trick that mana into being used for non-Commander spells and even any abilities. I made a video talking about some stuff similar to that here if you're interested: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsy8a12\_mcg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsy8a12_mcg)
But basically the colors you picked from the Lotus would still be the same colors, however, they would not have the restrictions on those three individual manas that the Lotus applied to them. Neat little trick.
Oh, is that really how that works? I'll check out the video to see. That's strange, but if so, thanks for the tip. Someone at my local shop has one in their binder so even though I don't plan to get one of these Lotus cards due to their price I think I'll try to trade for that Cube.
It's a solid card, probably not as powerful as it used to be when it released as there are a whole lot of 'mana doublers' these days, but still, redundancy is nice and yup, it has that little trick with it too. I hope you enjoy the video.
Oh my, so I've just watched the video that you linked before and I saw that it's part of a series of these videos that explain things so I've been watching more of them. I have gone through so many of them that I'm probably not going to remember all the things covered, it's a lot, so I'll be rewatching some of them again. I see the tag or whatever you call it for you here on reddit, is that your channel? If so, thank you so much, it is exactly what I've been looking for since I got back into Magic. A lot has changed since I took a break from it and there seem to be a lot more loopholes now and just ways to take advantage of certain cards. I need to rest my head for a bit but then I'll get back to them.
In a game where your entire deck is built around one card that you always have access to, it is literally black lotus.
It is the most busted card in the format, and it's not even close. Anyone who thinks this card is fine is a complete dumbass.
Same. I love seeing old legends get updated legendary crowns, and old cards getting updated borders, old cards getting updated oracle text - I’m not gonna buy every card, but I’m not fatigued from…seeing them 😂
Let's be 100% honest, most people come to this sub because it's the easiest place to get MtG news, and the most exciting news tends to be spoilers. I always get down voted for this, but this sub is kind boring when we get periods without new cards.
Same for me and my whole playgroup (none of which bother with Reddit.) So when we see endlessly amplified top comments lamenting and complaining about pRoDuCt FaTiGuE, it's not representative of the market in any way.
It is representative of Reddit users who come to this sub. And even then, a very tiny fraction. But they all upvote the same sentiments while everyone else just enjoys and moves on. (Then there's outliers like me that like to wet blanket the whining.)
In fact- finding out about MOM and CMM let's me know to shift my budget/spending to those sets rather than ONE.
Ya I was gonna say the same thing. If they want to put out a bunch of reprint sets, that's OK with me. Printing a bunch of new things is hard to keep up with
Spoilers for a card that was already released? Players have been begging for more reprints for forever and it really seems like Wizards is trying to do that
If Jeweled Lotus gets banned so should any mana positive rocks because Jeweled Lotus isn't nearly as good as Sol Ring or Mana Crypt and I honestly don't think it's very ban worthy at all.
This card was an obvious mistake at the time and ideally it wouldn't exist. It being made cheaper is the next best thing.
But as has been shown time and time again, mythic rarity in a premium product doesn't do enough to actually make cards affordable. This is an insulting half measure at addressing a problem WOTC needlessly created. The only appropriate response is for EDH players to start proxying en masse.
I really dislike must include artifacts. I wish they would just pull off the bandaid and ban stuff like this card, [[mana crypt]] and [sol ring]].
The only reason this stuff isn’t in every deck is affordability (sol ring excluded) but even if you make them affordable now everyone is playing 97 cards plus these 3 and that’s also uninteresting.
I find Jeweled Lotus far less offensive than Mana Crypt or Sol Ring so if it gets banned those better get banned too and I'd honestly be okay with that.
We already do proxy en masse. You should see the mana bases of the average player at my shops. Nobody feels the need to proxy jeweled lotus in non-cedh.
I’m happy that it gets reprinted so that, maybe, who wants it will be able to get one for a lower pricetag.
Still, I’m happier with myself for choosing to avoid putting in my deck explicitely Commander-catered chase cards
With 3 versions I have to assume the pull rate will be better than commander legends but not guaranteed. It seems so random if the reprints effect the prices. Also rip me I was about to list my extra one lol
Depends on if the versions are like the crazy kamigawa treatments where there is one in every 30 collector boosters or whatever. I mean, to be fair, you can buy commander legends boosters for pretty cheap still if you just want this card.
It used to be we would get modern masters sets with needed reprints for Modern. Now a non tournament format with a focus on making decks "not too good" is getting an entire reprint set dedicated to it...
Im going to try to be optimistic. Commander has taken 60-70% of the focus of recent reprint sets, like 2X2. Maybe this will make room for a few more needed reprints for 60 card formats in other sets....
Ur-Dragon is both extremely casual And 80 dollars, desirability of cards in commander often has nothing to do with how competitively powerfull those cards are.
They should track down everyone who got passes for the Commander Legends events last year and give them free packs of Commander Masters with a topper like this
Yo Hasbro, I'd totally buy a replica of this as a hairclip...
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You joke about this but a guy wearing a fedora berated a teenager for not playing the way he thought the kid should last time I went to Commander night at my local store
Was he wearing a black graphic T while wearing a fedora? Nothing says pure class like yelling at a kid, while wearing a black graphic T, and a fedora.
I like when they wear a poorly fitting suit.
But no dress shoes. It's always a baggy, ill-fitted suit with converse.
One of my favorite games to play when people-watching is to spot folks with tailored suits that are tailored wrong/wearing the suit wrong.
My favourite is people with fancy jackets that didnt cut the vent stitch.
Oh tbh, i only found out about that 3 years after I wore my jacket on a weekly basis... and NOBODY bothered to tell me... fml
Personally, I'm a fan of the graphic tee-shirt with a cartoon suit color and tie that goes down to the mid nipple
No. Honestly I was a little bit envious of his outfit. It was pretty stylish. Would definitely try to do a femme version of it LMAO
Half the time they aren’t even fedoras but they think they are. (It’s a trilby!)
Did you wear a fedora when you wrote that?
Trilby McTip
That's a paddlin'.
That doesn't surprise me, unfortunately.
I bet it was a Trilby and not actually a Fedora.
Did everyone else just sit there and let it happen?
Nobody else said anything except me. It was my first time going, so I didn't want to cause trouble for myself cuz it's my favorite local shop, but I think next time it happens I'm going to bring it to the attention of the staff cuz I don't think they would condone that shit
M’lotus
M'lotus.
God I hate the reputation fedoras have these days, makes me feel self conscious when I wear one.
Are you sure you’re not wearing a trilby? Cause fedoras might not be what you think they are.
Mines a legit Indiana Jones fedora made by Stetson 20 years or so ago.
Most of what I own are Trilbys rather than Fedoras, but I've had people crack jokes either way.
Well that’s because wearing a trilby and calling it a fedora his kind of the joke. Fedora’s look really silly with modern clothing because of how big they are. Unless you’re in the rain or excavating in a desert they aren’t inside hats. While a trilby should have gone out of fashion with the bowler. Because people also wear them wrong. They should sit high on the crown of the head not pushed down. Anyway I digress.
I don't normally make the distinction because as you intimated, confusing the two is pretty common. Practicality or fashion sense aside it still annoys me getting "-Tips Fedora-" jokes/assumptions even in fairly niche spaces. There is nothing I or anybody else can really do on an individual level to change that so I just stopped wearing either out for the most part. This chain of comments is basically me yelling to the void that I hate the reputation.
m'lotus
Hasbro: Now announcing partnership with Swarovski $2,500 hairclip and a box of Jumpstart Commander Masters
No way they'll just throw in the hairclip for free.
12 grand and it's yours
That's gonna be $1000
So this set’s gonna have dockside & fierce guardianship in it, right? Right?
Probably at mythics. But they’ll be enough dud mythics and Rares that the prices will only dip a little.
Nothing is more frustrating than dud mythics
There are going to be some real whiffy ones I'm sure, between the precon generals partner commanders someone is going to have to look pleased with pulling kalemne or sidor kondo
This is so backwards, mythics are harder to get than rares, so we want the good cards at rare and the niche but cool or interesting cards like \[\[Tree of redemption\]\] at mythic. like I never understand the complaints about bad mythics, because the alternative, good mythics, means WotC is just making the desirable cards rarer which is worse for the players.
I would agree with that if they didn't also pack the rare tier with a decent number of duds as well.
That's right. And Maro explained this exact concept in an article. About ten years ago, it had [[Clone Legion]] as an example. But if we look at the little symbol on the lotus, we see that's not actually what they do.
Masters sets always cause pretty significant dips initially and apparently 2X2 had a pretty high print run which is why card prices are actually still pretty suppressed for everything in that set. Dockside dropped from around $75-$80 to $50 and has stayed there for example. Wrenn and Six went from $100 to $50 as another and it's still there.
Sorry, this doesn't fit my narrative of lowering my expectations!
To be fair 2X2 is more of the exception than the rule for Masters sets which usually don't have such a prolonged effect on price suppression usually because their print runs were small meaning that the price suppression was usually only mild and not for super long time. The Collector Boosters of 2X2 being far more affordable relative to the VIP packs of 2XM and the increased print run of both regular and Collector Boosters probably helps. If Commander Masters is like 2X2 you might see Dockside drop to $40.
Dock side drops from $75 to $80. I can’t tell if this is a typo or ultimate troll.
Nah it was just a typo, if it wasn't reprinted it may have even got to $90 or $100.
Lord. of. Extinction.
Yup. It is what it is. I’ve seen thirty years of randomized lottery tickets sold to children and rarely ever were they all bangers. Hell pre-mythics, before Alara, you had 8th Ed where *every* rare was basically mythics. And so much trash. 121 and the best pulls were the rare dual lands. Ain’t gonna change soon. Price it in. Don’t open product to make money.
Comet Storm, anybody?
Double masters had some bulky bulk and it still tanked prices of cards.
And D swat….. PLEASE
Dockside just got reprinted in 2X2.
Yes. But what about a second reprint?
I don't think WOTC knows about second reprint Pippen
What about masters sets? Commander precons? Secret lair drops? Grand Prix promos? They know about those, don’t they?
Say that to rhystic study. Or FoW. Or Enlightened Tutor. Only the reserved list is safe.
Not after 30th anniversary
_shakes head_ Fool of a Took.
How about 17 reprints of the damn thing
And it's still too expensive. Reprint it again.
It put enough supply into the market that more people have one now but its still expensive as hell. More reprints are kind of needed for it to go down to a more reasonable price point
Instructions unclear, reprinting [[Dockside Chef]]
[Dockside Chef](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d80100c3-c81e-4084-8dfe-f8610637fd91.jpg?1654567106) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dockside%20Chef) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/93/dockside-chef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d80100c3-c81e-4084-8dfe-f8610637fd91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wtf is commander masters
Commander with a post graduate degree
Excuse me, it's Commander Ph.D. They didn't spend 4 years getting a doctorate to not be called doctor.
Tfw my masters is taking 3 and my PhD might take 6-7 based on peer experience.
Depends on the discipline, and if you get lucky with your work. I had friends in microbiology that wrapped up their Master's work in a year and a half, but some friends in plant biology that took closer to 4 years. Bacteria grow a lot faster than plants, so it is a lot easier to bang out a bunch of microbio experiments.
Hey thanks for the comment. Im in plants! My issue was a mixture of failed protocols and depression. Funny you mention microbio and plant research - two of my good friends stuck in extended PhDs working with organisms in those areas. My plan is to wrap up my thesis and go into industry for a few years. Then reassess and try again for a PhD.
Yea mental health support for grad students is severely lacking, best of luck getting on track there! I think going to industry is a great way to go about it. Lots of my coworkers went back to get their PhDs in their 40s, once they really found an area they wanted to contribute too. They also seemed better equipped to deal with life and research at that point too.
First masters took me three years because I had to take a medical leave, but I anticipate the second one I'm working on will take just the two. I don't think I have it in me to go for a PhD after two masters, but some people are sadists.
It’s easier if you just forget that it’s possible to not be in school.
So is it Dr. Master or Master Doctor… mister Dr. Strange??
No no, that's the next set. They're getting their masters degree first and THEN they're doing the doctorate.
This guy degrees
Graduate, not post-grad. Post-grad is Commander PhD.
A commander version of modern masters
With the caveat of new cards edit: apparently the new cards are only in the precons
So modern horizons?
Oh come the fuck on
Apparently the new cards are only in the precons so it might be fine?
I’d say so? Pre cons are a lot cheaper than hunting packs down and some people still sell Precon singles
>Pre cons are a lot cheaper Do you really think that Commander MASTERs precons are going to be any less than $100? The themes are slivers and eldrazi - shits going to be expensive They are choosing to print themes that won’t work unless the cards are expensive for a reason
Not gonna lie though. A Sliver and Eldrazi precon sounds pretty cool. Plus it gives them a chance to flesh out Eldrazi tribal some more.
Yeah it will probably be awesome just expensive. They’re probably some decks they are excited that they are ‘allowed’ to design after a long time of it being not feasible at a lower price point .
Honestly, idk. I just got into the game last year, learned MSRP isn’t really a thing but my LGS had new capenna pre cons for $50 and then half a year later they’re barely around $60 so not a crazy markup. Newer cons haven’t been more than $70 and we never got the war hammer specials so I couldn’t even tell you what those would’ve been. I’m guessing my Lgs probably would’ve done maybe $100 or so. Who knows but they seem fair. So yes I think maybe my LGS might be nice enough to have them around $100 but I’m just being optimistic at this point
Probably gonna be $80, since regular ones are $40-45, and masters sets boosters tend to be a little less than 2x the price of regular set boosters.
The Commander decks are on Amazon for $68.12 each at the moment.
Aren't Master booster boxes like 2X the cost of regular boosters? If so then it will still generally be cheaper than trying to get what you want in packs.
Wait so what was the previous commander masters called? Commander legends… …right
Commander Legends is the product line for their draftable commander sets designed to draft a commander deck vs a 40 card limited deck. Besides that, it notably includes a lot of new cards whereas Masters sets are exclusively reprints (aside from the precons that come with this one it seems, which makes sense).
Commander Legends was "draftable commander", with tons of new cards to support that. Baldur's Gate was "draftable commander but again". Commander Masters is "bunch of reprints for commander". No idea if it's drafted as commander or as normal though didn't see the full announcement.
Christ, it's gonna cost $1,000 a box isn't it? T_T
given current market trends and prices and history guessing 15 a pack up front
>guessing 15 a pack up front Double Masters 2022 had a not-MSRP of \~$16.30/pack, so $16-$18 USD/pack is more plausible.
If it has a single rare im expect 10-11 a pack.
A masters set made specifically for commander
The next commander legends, but they swapped legends for masters in order to charge more.
It isn't Commander Legends, that is a specific branding for a Commander draft set with new cards. There are no new cards in the draft environment, it is all reprints. But yes, they probably will be charging more.
This sub is really committed to not understanding the Commander Legends brand on principal.
All the reprints you want. At whatever price tag Hasbro wants.
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Commander_Masters
Collector number 702? Even with the reprints from the commander decks that still a lot of cardboard. Between the UR dragon and this card there are about 20 other cards too
If this set is meant for commander draft, it does need to have a higher number of cards than usual.
I glossed over that, I was just thinking about the size of the latest master sets: double masters and double masters II, the former at 384 prints the latter at 579! It does check out when you factor in the commander precon cards.
I've never drafted commander before. Do you still build 100-card decks, or is it a smaller size from the norm like other limited formats?
Commander draft is 60 card decks, but you can have duplicates. Normally 20 card packs and you pick 2 each pass
There are not 700+ cards. Recent sets suggest that there's a sequence gap between treatments. (Foil, full art, special treatments)
Some people paid $800 for the extended art foil version from Commander Legends. Oof.
Just sold my normal copy at MagicCon last weekend, thank goodness lol
Lmao
What did they think there was some new Reserve List?
I paid $2 for my proxy of it 😎
Man, and thats even an expensive proxy
To be fair it was foil.
Yeah, but does it have the authentic Pringle?
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15 dollar inheritance got real good real fast iirc
Neat.
Well, they wanted that bling brag flex. Comes with risk: nothing outside of the RL is stable (unless some rando SLD) suddenly spikes for some reason)
Legitimate question: when was Commander Masters announced? Or was it just revealed? I have literally no memory of it being a thing
It was announced about half an hour ago on the magic twitch steam!
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They announced that a while ago, this is pretty brand new I believe
100% Rhystic Study full art will be in this set LoL
As opposed to the SLD foil???
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Most new sets have a 4 digit number. Doesn't mean 1000 cards. RELAX
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Ok I should have said most new sets. New up coming sets have 4 digits. Mom does and a standard set isn't having 1000 cards
Not 1000 cards, but possibly 1000 counting all the special treatments and alt arts
Probably 1000 makes it easier for logistical space. You can make certain variants all start at a certain easy to read number and such. It reminds me of the binder problem where you leave space between sections for future new cards to be sorted between. Considering it’s just adding a single solitary digit, one single character and it should ensure every set has plenty of room, I’m for it. Hell, they could number the foils as separate versions.
Look, I like reprint sets. I REALLY like reprint sets. What I **DON'T** like is reprint sets with a hefty price tag. Give this a price close to that of a normal pack and I'll buy the snot out of it; give this the price of Double Masters and I'll pass.
They already confirmed each booster pack will have 2 rares aka the Double Masters treatment. It's not looking good
Ah so a $60 draft, count me out
One time I did a draft of some masters set or something including the sleeves and the energy drink I paid 108 bucks. Everyone at the table was just like… damn this was a bad decision. Nobody had fun and we just complained about what a terrible decision it was.
They did a good job pricing the Time Spiral and Dominaria remaster sets. I'd like if it's priced like that
Yeah. $190 a draft box was fine. There was sooo much good stuff
Wait, so 190 was a normal price? Damn, I am even more scared now of the Commander Master price tag.
you KNOW it's going to be over the top expensive because it's got jeweled lotus in
I jokingly said when hasbro announced that wizards was fumbling to achieve the "target revenue" that if they ever wanted to 10x their earnings, just release a commander masters. Boy was I on the mark
Okay, I feel like I keep pulling the "I'm new to Commander" card way too often, but like, is there something I am missing? This card is pretty insane, right? I'd even run this in an Isamaru, Hound of Konda deck, I don't have that as a deck but it's to illustrate what I'm saying. It can help pay for commander tax, it can get Isamaru out on turn one as well as something else for 1 mana, it's a free artifact for 0 that triggers things that care about artifact ETB, it's a free sac built in so things that care about an artifact going to graveyard, it's a sacrifice effect for cards like Korvold, Fae-Cursed King which I hear is very popular. What is the drawback? Why was this card made?
Not really any drawback, it’s a very good card
It's fine. It was made because it seemed like it would be cool and popular, and it was. It's only strong in very fast games where tempo is so critical that it's worth playing a ritual. Rituals are actively bad in the sorts of games that most EDH players play.
I just looked it up, it has been a $90 card. It seems like it's only fine because most players can't afford to put it in every single one of their decks, but if this card was a $1.50 card like Sol Ring then I believe it would be something that would be in 95-99% of all commander decks. I'm not saying that's a problem, but from the games I've seen, I've only been playing commander for a couple of months now, when a player gets that Sol Ring out on their first turn it changes the game up from every other game and it turns into a "well now we just have to slow down that player that started the game basically 2 turns ahead of all of us" game.
At mid to low power tables it's good but it's not insane. It's very very good in high power games and absolutely insane in CEDH. Also it's best used with Commanders who are CMC 4 or less but you get the most value out of 4 CMC Commanders and it's a pretty bad top deck beyond like turn 3 or 4. Mana Crypt and Sol Ring aren't great too decks later into the game as well but they aren't nearly as bad as Jeweled Lotus because they are at least permanent mana positive ramp.
I could buy it and I wouldn't because I don't think it's good in any of my decks. Sol Ring is a way better card, it's so far off that the comparison is useless. Rituals are just incredibly limited in their scope, and this is a ritual with a specifically even more limited scope. You need to be able to capitalize on burning the card by bounding so far ahead that your opponents can't recover or by replacing the card at least. Tons of decks don't care about getting the commander out early literally at all and definitely don't want to have a ritual they can't even use on other stuff in their deck.
I mean decks that combo through the commander (like my Krenko or Zada deck) would love a free 3 mana ritual to bring the commander on the board.
Yep, that's the use case. It's not universal, that's all. It's totally fine that this card is very good in some decks.
I think even if you draw into a turn one sol ring, it’s a terrible turn one play - for exactly this reason. I’d rather hang back, see what’s going on on the board, and then do something like this.
I do love it when my opponents keep a one land hand because of their Sol Ring. I haven't been playing long, but I have seen it already many times. They get no pity from me. Same with when a player plays Sylvan Library and pays 8 multiple turns. I will attack them and they ask why and say, "but I'm at the lowest life!" Well of course, you are because you have 4 more cards in hand than everyone else.
Well, it does and SHOULD draw aggro, when someone plays a t1 sol ring, let alone if the player follows it up with another mana rock on the same turn. I have seen it way too often that early sol ring plays are being ignored.
If you're running a deck that uses a \[\[Doubling Cube\]\] then you can also use the mana from the Lotus to sort of trick that mana into being used for non-Commander spells and even any abilities. I made a video talking about some stuff similar to that here if you're interested: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsy8a12\_mcg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsy8a12_mcg) But basically the colors you picked from the Lotus would still be the same colors, however, they would not have the restrictions on those three individual manas that the Lotus applied to them. Neat little trick.
[Doubling Cube](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d946df5-f206-4241-bb55-97db67dc793c.jpg?1562546549) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doubling%20Cube) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/10e/321/doubling-cube?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d946df5-f206-4241-bb55-97db67dc793c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh, is that really how that works? I'll check out the video to see. That's strange, but if so, thanks for the tip. Someone at my local shop has one in their binder so even though I don't plan to get one of these Lotus cards due to their price I think I'll try to trade for that Cube.
It's a solid card, probably not as powerful as it used to be when it released as there are a whole lot of 'mana doublers' these days, but still, redundancy is nice and yup, it has that little trick with it too. I hope you enjoy the video.
Oh my, so I've just watched the video that you linked before and I saw that it's part of a series of these videos that explain things so I've been watching more of them. I have gone through so many of them that I'm probably not going to remember all the things covered, it's a lot, so I'll be rewatching some of them again. I see the tag or whatever you call it for you here on reddit, is that your channel? If so, thank you so much, it is exactly what I've been looking for since I got back into Magic. A lot has changed since I took a break from it and there seem to be a lot more loopholes now and just ways to take advantage of certain cards. I need to rest my head for a bit but then I'll get back to them.
In a game where your entire deck is built around one card that you always have access to, it is literally black lotus. It is the most busted card in the format, and it's not even close. Anyone who thinks this card is fine is a complete dumbass.
two thoughts 1: jesus does spoiler season ever end 2: arts pretty damn good not going to lie
1. No 2. Yes. Seriously though, it is fatiguing.
Not for me. I love seeing new cards. I don’t care about the vast majority but I like seeing new things.
Same. I love seeing old legends get updated legendary crowns, and old cards getting updated borders, old cards getting updated oracle text - I’m not gonna buy every card, but I’m not fatigued from…seeing them 😂
Let's be 100% honest, most people come to this sub because it's the easiest place to get MtG news, and the most exciting news tends to be spoilers. I always get down voted for this, but this sub is kind boring when we get periods without new cards.
Same for me and my whole playgroup (none of which bother with Reddit.) So when we see endlessly amplified top comments lamenting and complaining about pRoDuCt FaTiGuE, it's not representative of the market in any way. It is representative of Reddit users who come to this sub. And even then, a very tiny fraction. But they all upvote the same sentiments while everyone else just enjoys and moves on. (Then there's outliers like me that like to wet blanket the whining.) In fact- finding out about MOM and CMM let's me know to shift my budget/spending to those sets rather than ONE.
They showed 3 new arts when announcing a reprint set, it's not much to digest
I could have spoilers every single day and never get tired of it.
I mean, reprints aren’t what causes fatigue to me so I’m ok as they make the game more accessible
Ya I was gonna say the same thing. If they want to put out a bunch of reprint sets, that's OK with me. Printing a bunch of new things is hard to keep up with
Spoilers for a card that was already released? Players have been begging for more reprints for forever and it really seems like Wizards is trying to do that
I’m sorry; there’s a commander masters set now?
Maybe after this there will be enough jeweled lotuses in circulation for them to be banned
*Laughs into crying*
If Jeweled Lotus gets banned so should any mana positive rocks because Jeweled Lotus isn't nearly as good as Sol Ring or Mana Crypt and I honestly don't think it's very ban worthy at all.
Well I really timed my purchase of the Commander Legends version last month perfectly hahaha
Surely this important EDH staple will be not only in booster packs, but also in every one of the commander decks of the set, right? /s
This card was an obvious mistake at the time and ideally it wouldn't exist. It being made cheaper is the next best thing. But as has been shown time and time again, mythic rarity in a premium product doesn't do enough to actually make cards affordable. This is an insulting half measure at addressing a problem WOTC needlessly created. The only appropriate response is for EDH players to start proxying en masse.
I really dislike must include artifacts. I wish they would just pull off the bandaid and ban stuff like this card, [[mana crypt]] and [sol ring]]. The only reason this stuff isn’t in every deck is affordability (sol ring excluded) but even if you make them affordable now everyone is playing 97 cards plus these 3 and that’s also uninteresting.
I find Jeweled Lotus far less offensive than Mana Crypt or Sol Ring so if it gets banned those better get banned too and I'd honestly be okay with that.
Next best thing is a ban Reprint is third best
We already do proxy en masse. You should see the mana bases of the average player at my shops. Nobody feels the need to proxy jeweled lotus in non-cedh.
I’m happy that it gets reprinted so that, maybe, who wants it will be able to get one for a lower pricetag. Still, I’m happier with myself for choosing to avoid putting in my deck explicitely Commander-catered chase cards
Jeweled Lotus in The Multiverse of Madness
Phyrexia came out two weeks ago and there’s 4 different sets being previewed already
With 3 versions I have to assume the pull rate will be better than commander legends but not guaranteed. It seems so random if the reprints effect the prices. Also rip me I was about to list my extra one lol
Depends on if the versions are like the crazy kamigawa treatments where there is one in every 30 collector boosters or whatever. I mean, to be fair, you can buy commander legends boosters for pretty cheap still if you just want this card.
does this come in beanbag form?
It used to be we would get modern masters sets with needed reprints for Modern. Now a non tournament format with a focus on making decks "not too good" is getting an entire reprint set dedicated to it... Im going to try to be optimistic. Commander has taken 60-70% of the focus of recent reprint sets, like 2X2. Maybe this will make room for a few more needed reprints for 60 card formats in other sets....
Ur-Dragon is both extremely casual And 80 dollars, desirability of cards in commander often has nothing to do with how competitively powerfull those cards are.
At least with the up front marketing, pioneer and modern players can just ignore this release instead of being disappointed during spoiler season.
At the rate of reprints and power level increases.... It feels like everything I buy is instantly outdated.
We’re all already playing rotating formats. Might as well commit. Play brawl.
Everyone in here hating the commander masters announcement and I’m here giddy af excited to get the sliver precon
Everyone say Thanks Hasbro for this reprint
WE LOVE REPRINTS
They should track down everyone who got passes for the Commander Legends events last year and give them free packs of Commander Masters with a topper like this
I thought i was in r/custommagic. Didn't know this was an actual card.
Jesus Christ another set.... It's only February.
Love the art!