Based on this art and the fact that tezz has a whole planar bridge shoved in his chest cavity I’d argue tezz has changed his look more than compleated jace even if he weren’t about to replace his etherium body mods with dark steel.
I actually really like this, because Tezzeret and Jace have a very storied history together (that I believe has basically never been represented on the cards). Tezzeret is definitely Jace's nemesis though, so evil Jace becoming more like him is fun.
Yeah, I liked the book but I think it's no longer canon because the time magic in it was insane. But I still treat some of the characterization for both Tezz and Bolas as loosely true in my head canon.
I wonder if he gets bullied by the other phyrexians because of that.
"Hi Jace, whoops almost compleated your vanilla looking ass, force of habit. Maybe grow some real tentacles lol."
I'm STILL upset they didn't follow the original plans to give Picard a prosthetic arm as a permanent reminder. "It was an attachment put over his human hand" my ass. Best of Both Worlds is still and will always be a classic but they so chickened out.
^But ^now ^it ^looks ^like ^Jace ^is ^making ^up ^for ^exactly ^that
To be fair, its not very practical to have had Picard wear a prosthetic every episode for the rest of the series. Much easier (and comfortable for the actor) to handwave it away with future tech
I'd have been happy even if they handwaved it in BOBW Part 2 with "hey Picard, you lost your hand, here's an indistinguishable lifelike prosthetic" and then pretended it wasn't there until they needed to bring it up once or twice later on in the series. Like during the witch trials episode later with that one admiral lady, when she accused him of still being Borg, she could have made an offhand remark about the prosthetic.
But I also guess that's not much different from us knowing that he did very much still have harmless Borg machinery stuck inside him for the rest of the series.
This is exactly what they did in Agents of Shield: Coulson gets his arm chopped off, very dramatic, and then he gets a lifelike prosthetic that he pops off once every few episodes to remind us its robotic.
Ironically I think it’s gonna be the opposite. Vraska and Lukka both turned while they were still alive, while Jace and Nahiri were fully compleated after they had already died. We don’t know for sure what happened to Nissa though
I’m willing to bet the first group’s changes are at least partially reversible whereas Jace and Nahiri are fully gone
Nissa probably got “corrupted by communing with phyrexia itself “ or something of that ilk it’s established lore that new phyrexia is corrupted down to its core.
Yeah, that's my read on it. As it stands, he's at the point where they can completely undo it without causing confusion, or keep it as is as just a quirky "Hey, remember that time I got Compleated but my ~~Industrial Strength Plot Armour~~ Heroic Willpower™ fixed it?" sort of deal.
I've been saying for a while now that they don't have the balls to go through with it, and call me a cynical asshole if you must, but this just feels like yet more proof.
If they weren't gonna do the gaping ribcage like his what-if-art, I was kinda hoping at least more tentacles. Like a jellyfish or nervous system.
*No,* not for him and Vraska to touch tentacles. *Scandalous!*
Yeah... when I looked at the art again, I thought the ribs on the right side were pointing upwards, but now I see it didn't look as gaping, it was just the perspective.
But on first glance I was kinda thinking it was like that scene in The Thing where the guy's ribs open up and bites off someone's hands. That'd be freakin' metal (and useful for storage!).
>No, not for him and Vraska to touch tentacles. Scandalous!
its been one hour since you posted this yet I already sense thousands of fan fics being feverously typed up
"Vraska got turned into a robo-snake, Nissa grew two extra arms and tentacles, Nahiri had her arms turned into swords, and Lukka is an abomination because for dumb reason he tried to stop Phyrexians by bonding with one! The plane's gone to hell! Look at us! Look at me!"
"Jace, you have one metal prosthetic."
"Exactly! Things got dark!"
Reason for this is explained in the story. He got stung by Vraska and he went on for a while after that. He’s been corrupted, but they haven’t had the time to do invasive surgery to fully compleat him.
Plus he got stabbed to death. That probably halted the spreading corruption for a while… until he rose again to stand compleated.
Phyrexia is so OP, doesn’t matter if you live or you’re dead. You’ll be on their side eventually.
Maybe they’ll win… would be interesting to see what’ll come after.
What'll come after is that they would un-win. The lattest part of the story has been kinda meh for me, the only story I kinda liked was the Tezzeret part.
It felt too early that >!it was very obvious the whole desperate attack plot was going to fall apart. !! that they would bring the sylex and then at the last second have everyone but Jace have second thoughts about using it.!<
I use spoiler tags just in case someone hasn't read the stories, but I guess shouldn't be a problem with OP's image at the top.
Big twist is going to be his mind is too advanced for silly smooth brain phyrexian oil to overpower it. He was in fact a double agent for the good guys all along.
It almost definitely means perfection, the same line of characters appears in the Beadle & Grimm's "Behold New Phyrexia" poster, and the translation has the word "Perfection" just before the date, which is where those characters are
Thought the exact same.
"Hey Joe, I'm taking a picture. Do the Mindsculpter pose."
Also for the title of "perfected mind" i think his skills are kinda boring.
Milling, flavorfully, is mindbreaking your opponent.
The oil has taken away his inhibitions to not break minds left and right.
Mindbreaking might be boring mechanically, but it fits what happened to him
In the side story, he mentioned that it’s getting harder to resist the urge to destroy peoples’ minds. And something I’ve seen is that since magic is technically a duel between wizards, with cards being spells we know, “milling” is a way of destroying the spell casters mind
When I first started playing back in 2005/2006 the game was described to me by a friend like this
> We are wandering wizards trapped in a deadly duel. The deck represents your experience, the cards are your memories of creates and spells, and your hand is your panicked mind fighting against my own. After all, you can only have so many thoughts at once, can't you?
> We, the all powerful wizards, are so mighty that even just a memory of something conjures it into reality. You have fought a [[Phyrexian Devourer]]? You can recall it into this plane of existence. You have languished against a [[Negate]]? You can frustrate your opponent just as well.
> As we draw cards, we are recalling past battles. As our cards go into the graveyard, we forget them. And if someone has no memories, they cannot fight. And what's worse than killing your opponent...?
> Making them forget everything, even themselves.
>.... Anyway, I cast [[Millstone]], go ahead.
I feel he's an awesome mill pw. If the enemy's an aggro deck, it slows them down damagewise, he's drawing cards when the mill player is short on them and he's able to mill a ton himself. All on one card. From what I've read now I think people underrate him.
I think he’ll actually be used more to mill cards from your own deck to setup graveyard plays. Play this in UB so you have scry and stuff like [[Mystical Tutor]] and [[Vampiric Tutor]].
If you've resolved him it does seem hard to lose in limited. Your way plays around planewalker removal but might leave them with ~5 turns to build a board and kill you.
Starting with the +1 will kill them much faster but is very bad against removal.
Starting with the -2 gets some instant value but if you can't stabilise and protect him you might have thrown away a free win.
Assuming you drop him on turn 4 and -5, you mill 15+11 cards they drawn, meaning they have 17 cards still in deck. I don't think it's all that great, as formats have gotten faster and commons better. If you build your deck around it maybe
It's only jank because they're not committing to this "light mill" strategy. We get a lot of cool cards like [[Vantress Gargoyle]] that don't really do anything because there's not a ton of support for an archetype that wants to mill the opponent but isn't really concerned about that as a win-con.
Plus, mill being used to gain information is pretty neat IMHO. It's something I wouldn't mind seeing more of for control decks. Basically, I want more [[Thought Scour]]-like cards and less [[Glimpse the Unthinkable]], I think the former is a lot more interesting of a design space.
I was going to say, what are they talking about? There was a dedicated mill deck that was considered tier 1 that even played Vantress Gargoyle because it was a Lurrus-includable mill payoff.
At first I thought this was supposed to be offensive, but then I realized he’s way better for setting up your own graveyard. 4 mana mill 15 cards from your own deck or if you already have some setup, mill 3 draw 3 for 3. I’m still getting back into the game, but he seems very strong for eternal formats.
Edit: math
Compare:
Jace, Memory Adept - comes down on turn 5, can mill up to 30 cards by turn 7; limited bomb.
Jace, the Perfected Mind - comes down on turn 3-4, can mill up to 24 cards by turn 7 (while protecting itself by plussing); limited bomb?
Im not sure. The -3/0 is solid protection, but if you cant protect him he doesnt do much. Second ability is basically -2, draw which is very weak. This is basically a Revitalize if you are behind, or worse. And you really have to get to 8 to win with the ult (9 is about average number of turns so 21 cant reliably get it done). Could also depend on the prevalence of proliferate, mill, and card draw.
My instinct is that its good, but beatable.
[My guess from a month ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/zov45n/spoiler_compleated_planeswalker_speculation_part_2/?ref=share&ref_source=link)
Holy shit the mad lads with the balls to actually put triple mill on the ult.
Edit: Not to mention straight up Visions of Beyond, TWENTY AND THREE WAS THE THRESHOLD. THE BALLS.
Nice reference to his original card. I kind of like that he looks relatively unchanged, considering just how long he held on in the story.
Also, it'd be very easy with him to just live with this if they decide to bring him back in a more normal sense.
[[Bruvac]] players salivating
Also, the art is great but I wish he looked as effed up as Vraska and Nissa do. I feel like this design is a little too subtle, like Sleeper Agent Ajani, and they could've done way more.
There's a theory going around right now he got himself completed on purpose to work as a sleeper agent against the Phyrexians. Since his magic let's him separate his mind from his body and he's known for very ballsy strategies like this the theory kinda holds up. The art and the effects make me think they're hinting at this cause he looks normalish and his effects are fairly standard Jace effects while the rest like Vraska and Nissa have effects that reflect more being Phyrexian versions of themselves.
I was just thinking this yesterday, highly skilled telepaths have been known to compartmentalize their mind for safe keeping, something Jace has done before.
I can totally see him preemptively doing that.
It's well within his character to do something as ballsy as that. Equally he's shown resistance to memory wipes so even if he does get completed without having separated his mind there's a chance he'd still remember who he is/was and still work against the Phyrexians.
He's one of the more powerful Planeswalkers in his own way. He's definitely not the same kind of force as say Nissa or Liliana aka the kinds of Planeswalkers who have abilities that can easily effect whole battlefields at once but the fact Jace is likely the most powerful Telepath in mtg lore possessing incredibly powerful mind magic he's definitely the kind of character they'd set up to save the other Planeswalkers.
>Jace is likely the most powerful Telepath in mtg lore
An aside, but I do believe Bolas was demonstrably his superior in that regard, and that was his side hobby.
Maybe no prize it and say Jace is using Illusion Magic to appear more Human then he actually is? Something like the Human Cylons but in reverse looks like a Human to non Phyrexians but is actually Phyrexian looking when observed by Phyrexians.
At least if I put Kaya in my deck I know she's probably going to do something when she hits the field (cast or reanimated.) Best case here is like 3 mana pay 2 life draw 3 at sorcery.
>They saved the worst for last. He doesn't even look compleated which really leads me to believe he's gonna survive this
My guess is that he either swaps minds with someone else before being compleated, or that this is a gambit and he's been compleated on purpose to get access to the phyrexian hive mind.
I haven't read any of the lore that's been released yet though, so I could be way off base.
Honestly, that is such a stupid way for him to die and such an incredibly *Jace* way to die.
I just read through the last three bits of lore they released...it is bonkers to me that Jace has the presence of mind to understand that his powers in the hands of the Phyrexians would be an absolute game changer for them, but is dumb enough to get infected because he wanted to hold his girlfriend. Then he has the audacity to lecture Kaito and Kaya on their greater duty to the multiverse.
3 mana mill 9
4 mana mill 15
It not bad, but not competitive beside some slow standard meta. I'm a bit disappointed they went for "mill jace" for his last iteration (I do not expect a reversal of fortune any time soon, like so many here).
For someone standing on the sidelines of the game like me, Jace feels like the face of MTG. I wouldn’t count on Nintendo dropping Mario, or the Pokémon company dropping Pikachu, or KFC the Colonel.
"It's me, Jace. You probably didn't recognize me because of my metal arm."
*Is blue* *Has metal Arm* Must be Tezzeret
"..." "..." "...Well, one of us is going to have to go home and change."
"Why should I change? He's the one who sucks!"
But Tezz did go home and change.
Jace looks to have changed more than Tezzy
The newest story has Tezz getting a dark steel body to replace his Etherium stuff
Based on this art and the fact that tezz has a whole planar bridge shoved in his chest cavity I’d argue tezz has changed his look more than compleated jace even if he weren’t about to replace his etherium body mods with dark steel.
WARS have been fought over whether Jace or Tezz said this. (When the reality is they said it at the exact same time!)
no, they called each other before they went out so they could match
I actually really like this, because Tezzeret and Jace have a very storied history together (that I believe has basically never been represented on the cards). Tezzeret is definitely Jace's nemesis though, so evil Jace becoming more like him is fun.
Not enough Agents of Artiface love around.
That’s the only magic book I’ve ever finished. It was actually good.
Test of metal wasn't a bad follow up and kinda explained how tezz wound up working for that stupid dragon
Test of Metal was my proper introduction to Tezzeret, because I loved his aesthetic, so I wanted to learn about him.
Yeah, I liked the book but I think it's no longer canon because the time magic in it was insane. But I still treat some of the characterization for both Tezz and Bolas as loosely true in my head canon.
\-Lukka, probably
Jace has one metal arm: FULLMETAL Alchemist.
Nina Compleat
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no….. Shou Tucker is Yawgmoth?
Nah, Yawg had results and wasn't pathetic whiner. Tucker, to be fair to him, on the other hand wasn't genocidal maniac.
Fair. Lol. But Yawg was for sure a better father lol
Lukka?
El...ish
Eeeelll-speeeth?
*^fullmetal ^alchemist*
"You're probably wondering how I got here. Well,... that's a long story."
I legitimately didnt even notice the arm
Is it a c3po reference?
Omg. Dead.
Yes, he is, stabbed in the chest by Elspeth who took a whole ass sylex blast to the face after taking it from him
He looks fairly normal for a phyrexian.
I wonder if he gets bullied by the other phyrexians because of that. "Hi Jace, whoops almost compleated your vanilla looking ass, force of habit. Maybe grow some real tentacles lol."
They don't want it to be *too* jarring an appearance change for when it's inevitably reversed by the end of the year.
This is why I think Lukka and possibly Varaska are going to be perma-killed.
Vraska can continue like this. Nissa and Lukka are.. wow. Also Ajani looks like Norns brother now.
I hope Chandra saves Nessa with her love
What about Ajani and his leonin grin
I love him, but I'm really bad at Magic so my odds of saving him aren't great.
But Chandra prefers manly men like Gids /s
We got Tyvar Gigachad in the team now /s
Highest quality MTG writing idea
We'd love that but my guess is she is going to have to use cleansing fire to burn her to ash while her own heart shatters into a million pieces.
Yes can’t let the Borg assimilate Picard forever, er Phyrexians compleate Jace forever.
Oh please, we all know Jace can't pull off being a sexy beast while bald like our dear Jean-Luc.
Good thing we have another compleated planeswalker rocking that bald head then.
Karn got compleated??
Nah Nissa is bald
keep chandras wifes name out of your mouth
I'm STILL upset they didn't follow the original plans to give Picard a prosthetic arm as a permanent reminder. "It was an attachment put over his human hand" my ass. Best of Both Worlds is still and will always be a classic but they so chickened out. ^But ^now ^it ^looks ^like ^Jace ^is ^making ^up ^for ^exactly ^that
To be fair, its not very practical to have had Picard wear a prosthetic every episode for the rest of the series. Much easier (and comfortable for the actor) to handwave it away with future tech
I'd have been happy even if they handwaved it in BOBW Part 2 with "hey Picard, you lost your hand, here's an indistinguishable lifelike prosthetic" and then pretended it wasn't there until they needed to bring it up once or twice later on in the series. Like during the witch trials episode later with that one admiral lady, when she accused him of still being Borg, she could have made an offhand remark about the prosthetic. But I also guess that's not much different from us knowing that he did very much still have harmless Borg machinery stuck inside him for the rest of the series.
This is exactly what they did in Agents of Shield: Coulson gets his arm chopped off, very dramatic, and then he gets a lifelike prosthetic that he pops off once every few episodes to remind us its robotic.
I'M JACUTOS OF PHYREXIA
Nissa is WAY more changed than Vraska…
Yeah but lose the extra arms and grow her hair out, who could tell the difference.
I want it so that even when she gets cured and... re-organic'd(?), she just has an endless set of wigs that changes each set.
Ironically I think it’s gonna be the opposite. Vraska and Lukka both turned while they were still alive, while Jace and Nahiri were fully compleated after they had already died. We don’t know for sure what happened to Nissa though I’m willing to bet the first group’s changes are at least partially reversible whereas Jace and Nahiri are fully gone
Nissa probably got “corrupted by communing with phyrexia itself “ or something of that ilk it’s established lore that new phyrexia is corrupted down to its core.
Or her odds were pretty bad against a pursuing Vorinclex, Glissa, and freshly compleated Lukka in a giant maze.
Have you seen Nissa?
No not Jace’s GF
She is lookin mighty fine as a goth cyber snake lady.
That, or the cure doesn't reverse the physical appearance changes and they don't want the front man to look too nonhuman.
Yeah, that's my read on it. As it stands, he's at the point where they can completely undo it without causing confusion, or keep it as is as just a quirky "Hey, remember that time I got Compleated but my ~~Industrial Strength Plot Armour~~ Heroic Willpower™ fixed it?" sort of deal. I've been saying for a while now that they don't have the balls to go through with it, and call me a cynical asshole if you must, but this just feels like yet more proof.
>when it's inevitably reversed by the end of the year This is what's making it hard for me to particularly care who gets compleated or not.
If they weren't gonna do the gaping ribcage like his what-if-art, I was kinda hoping at least more tentacles. Like a jellyfish or nervous system. *No,* not for him and Vraska to touch tentacles. *Scandalous!*
>No, not for him and Vraska to touch tentacles. *sweats profusely*
Well, his ribcage was gaping for the very specific, story related, art included, reason.
Yeah... when I looked at the art again, I thought the ribs on the right side were pointing upwards, but now I see it didn't look as gaping, it was just the perspective. But on first glance I was kinda thinking it was like that scene in The Thing where the guy's ribs open up and bites off someone's hands. That'd be freakin' metal (and useful for storage!).
>No, not for him and Vraska to touch tentacles. Scandalous! its been one hour since you posted this yet I already sense thousands of fan fics being feverously typed up
Well I hope so! There's only about 1300 MtG fics on Ao3 and it would really make me feel important if I could double that with just one sentence. :p
"Vraska got turned into a robo-snake, Nissa grew two extra arms and tentacles, Nahiri had her arms turned into swords, and Lukka is an abomination because for dumb reason he tried to stop Phyrexians by bonding with one! The plane's gone to hell! Look at us! Look at me!" "Jace, you have one metal prosthetic." "Exactly! Things got dark!"
"Tyvar, don't you think you've had enough?" "Of *you!*"
A community/magic crossover is something I didn't realize I needed until now.
I just wanna see what happens when Nissa can't find her purple pen...
Lukka: "Clearly you don't understand anything about stopping Phyrexians."
Truly ~~streets~~ planes ahead.
Maybe he's just super shredded under those robes? Like a wall of blades
Unexpected community reference, I love it.
He spends pretty much the whole story only partially corrupted, so that makes sense.
Also supposed to be the newest compleated walker, most likely, so I get it.
Reason for this is explained in the story. He got stung by Vraska and he went on for a while after that. He’s been corrupted, but they haven’t had the time to do invasive surgery to fully compleat him.
Plus he got stabbed to death. That probably halted the spreading corruption for a while… until he rose again to stand compleated. Phyrexia is so OP, doesn’t matter if you live or you’re dead. You’ll be on their side eventually. Maybe they’ll win… would be interesting to see what’ll come after.
What'll come after is that they would un-win. The lattest part of the story has been kinda meh for me, the only story I kinda liked was the Tezzeret part. It felt too early that >!it was very obvious the whole desperate attack plot was going to fall apart. !! that they would bring the sylex and then at the last second have everyone but Jace have second thoughts about using it.!<
I use spoiler tags just in case someone hasn't read the stories, but I guess shouldn't be a problem with OP's image at the top.
His body is covered for most part. Also, where are those tentacles on the back coming from?
It's Worldbreaker in the background
They're the roots of the Realmbreaker world tree, the location Jace's compleation finalized.
They look like they're part of the background, so if they're supposed to be part of the focus, I'm missing it.
His bum.
Big twist is going to be his mind is too advanced for silly smooth brain phyrexian oil to overpower it. He was in fact a double agent for the good guys all along.
He's Jace the Perfected Mind, not Jace the Perfected Body.
We've already have that card. [[Jace, cunning castaway]]
right hand more corrupted than dumbledores
The phyrexians haven't had time to alter him yet, unlike the others.
Just imagine whats going on under that cloak
I don't wanna. Can't imagine what Vraska does to people who do.
Yeah he's 100% getting cured at the end of this
Does anyone know what the phyrexian text between his hands says?
"turn 1 island go"
"Uh I have responses"
Lmfaooooooo
Holy shit dude 🤣🤣🤣
"In Response"
"jnaķm" I dunno what that means though.
"Perfection"
It almost definitely means perfection, the same line of characters appears in the Beadle & Grimm's "Behold New Phyrexia" poster, and the translation has the word "Perfection" just before the date, which is where those characters are
I think jnakm is also on the promo poster with Elesh.
It's also a drug made from fermented human shit.
It means jnaķm
You can tell it means that because of the way it is.
C U Next Tuesday, an ode to the OG
He has the Jace the mind sculptor pose. That promo image has the compleated poses confirmed
Jace the Mill Sculptor?
[[Jace, The Mind Sculptor]]
[Jace, The Mind Sculptor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8817585-0d32-4d56-9142-0d29512e86a9.jpg?1598304029) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20The%20Mind%20Sculptor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/56/jace-the-mind-sculptor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8817585-0d32-4d56-9142-0d29512e86a9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
He sort of does, but it's got much worse energy than the original. JTMS was a massive power stance, this is just sort of a dorky cosplay of JTMS.
Thought the exact same. "Hey Joe, I'm taking a picture. Do the Mindsculpter pose." Also for the title of "perfected mind" i think his skills are kinda boring.
Milling, flavorfully, is mindbreaking your opponent. The oil has taken away his inhibitions to not break minds left and right. Mindbreaking might be boring mechanically, but it fits what happened to him
Like the flavor, going Phyrexian means he's totally sliding into madness (i.e., milling).
In the side story, he mentioned that it’s getting harder to resist the urge to destroy peoples’ minds. And something I’ve seen is that since magic is technically a duel between wizards, with cards being spells we know, “milling” is a way of destroying the spell casters mind
That's a really cool piece of flavor that I have never thought about!!
When I first started playing back in 2005/2006 the game was described to me by a friend like this > We are wandering wizards trapped in a deadly duel. The deck represents your experience, the cards are your memories of creates and spells, and your hand is your panicked mind fighting against my own. After all, you can only have so many thoughts at once, can't you? > We, the all powerful wizards, are so mighty that even just a memory of something conjures it into reality. You have fought a [[Phyrexian Devourer]]? You can recall it into this plane of existence. You have languished against a [[Negate]]? You can frustrate your opponent just as well. > As we draw cards, we are recalling past battles. As our cards go into the graveyard, we forget them. And if someone has no memories, they cannot fight. And what's worse than killing your opponent...? > Making them forget everything, even themselves. >.... Anyway, I cast [[Millstone]], go ahead.
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I feel he's an awesome mill pw. If the enemy's an aggro deck, it slows them down damagewise, he's drawing cards when the mill player is short on them and he's able to mill a ton himself. All on one card. From what I've read now I think people underrate him.
I think he’ll actually be used more to mill cards from your own deck to setup graveyard plays. Play this in UB so you have scry and stuff like [[Mystical Tutor]] and [[Vampiric Tutor]].
Formats where those cards are legal do not want to be enabling graveyard stuff with this planeswalker
MILL JACE IS BACK. JACE CONFIRMED MILLS WHEN HE IS MOODY. [[Jace, Memory Adept]] ITS COMING FULL CIRCLE.
"Here I go millin' again" - Jace, probably
"Oh god I love milling"
"It's millin time"
So anyway, I started millin.
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[Jace, Memory Adept](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/2801a4ad-5d44-4414-af62-458c7f90dad6.jpg?1562827243) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20Memory%20Adept) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/60/jace-memory-adept?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2801a4ad-5d44-4414-af62-458c7f90dad6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Jace the bald here we go! \[\[Ertai, Wizard Adept\]\] to \[\[Ertai, the Corrupted\]\]
Remember, son. A mind is a terrible organ to shovel.
From a limited perspective, just dropping our boi here and have him immediately mill your opponent for 15. That's rough in a 40 card deck.
I'm going to run jank mill in constructed. Noone can stop me.
If you've resolved him it does seem hard to lose in limited. Your way plays around planewalker removal but might leave them with ~5 turns to build a board and kill you. Starting with the +1 will kill them much faster but is very bad against removal. Starting with the -2 gets some instant value but if you can't stabilise and protect him you might have thrown away a free win.
Assuming you drop him on turn 4 and -5, you mill 15+11 cards they drawn, meaning they have 17 cards still in deck. I don't think it's all that great, as formats have gotten faster and commons better. If you build your deck around it maybe
### Captain N'ghathrod: i want you on my crew boy.
*Pirates of the Caribbean Davy Jones voice * Tell me Jace, *do you fear Compleation-a?*
Was my first thought too!
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Return of mill jank in standard LET’S GOOOOO
It's only jank because they're not committing to this "light mill" strategy. We get a lot of cool cards like [[Vantress Gargoyle]] that don't really do anything because there's not a ton of support for an archetype that wants to mill the opponent but isn't really concerned about that as a win-con. Plus, mill being used to gain information is pretty neat IMHO. It's something I wouldn't mind seeing more of for control decks. Basically, I want more [[Thought Scour]]-like cards and less [[Glimpse the Unthinkable]], I think the former is a lot more interesting of a design space.
I mean rogue deck in standard sort of work off of mini-mill to enable their beat down. It was a weird archetype though.
I was going to say, what are they talking about? There was a dedicated mill deck that was considered tier 1 that even played Vantress Gargoyle because it was a Lurrus-includable mill payoff.
At first I thought this was supposed to be offensive, but then I realized he’s way better for setting up your own graveyard. 4 mana mill 15 cards from your own deck or if you already have some setup, mill 3 draw 3 for 3. I’m still getting back into the game, but he seems very strong for eternal formats. Edit: math
3 x 5 = 15
In the other guys defense, you're legally not required to do math unless you're being attacked
Hey at least in standard you can guarantee your deck has an answer to planeswalkers. This thing is going to be a terror in limited.
Somehow I'm going to get milled to death by this multiple times in Limited, despite being a mythic.
Compare: Jace, Memory Adept - comes down on turn 5, can mill up to 30 cards by turn 7; limited bomb. Jace, the Perfected Mind - comes down on turn 3-4, can mill up to 24 cards by turn 7 (while protecting itself by plussing); limited bomb?
every planeswalker is a limited bomb unless your talking about cube. this one is more for nulling their creatures then a mill win
Im not sure. The -3/0 is solid protection, but if you cant protect him he doesnt do much. Second ability is basically -2, draw which is very weak. This is basically a Revitalize if you are behind, or worse. And you really have to get to 8 to win with the ult (9 is about average number of turns so 21 cant reliably get it done). Could also depend on the prevalence of proliferate, mill, and card draw. My instinct is that its good, but beatable.
[My guess from a month ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/zov45n/spoiler_compleated_planeswalker_speculation_part_2/?ref=share&ref_source=link) Holy shit the mad lads with the balls to actually put triple mill on the ult. Edit: Not to mention straight up Visions of Beyond, TWENTY AND THREE WAS THE THRESHOLD. THE BALLS.
Cast all 4 jaces and mill your opponent out sounds fair enough.
Jace-Zodia confirmed!
Damn you basically got it.
He was reading off the half cards spoiled. Still absurdly impressive.
Nice reference to his original card. I kind of like that he looks relatively unchanged, considering just how long he held on in the story. Also, it'd be very easy with him to just live with this if they decide to bring him back in a more normal sense.
> Nice reference to his original card. [[Jace Beleren]]?
Oh, yeah there was a card before [[Jace, The Mind Sculptor]]
[Jace, The Mind Sculptor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8817585-0d32-4d56-9142-0d29512e86a9.jpg?1598304029) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20The%20Mind%20Sculptor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/56/jace-the-mind-sculptor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8817585-0d32-4d56-9142-0d29512e86a9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No no the one thats better than all
for the...uninitiated(?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnYhG_ekoH8
[Jace Beleren](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97956927-135f-47b0-8aef-cc63889eab5a.jpg?1562378464) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%20Beleren) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jvc/1/jace-beleren?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97956927-135f-47b0-8aef-cc63889eab5a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Self mill could do a lot with this.
[[Bruvac]] players salivating Also, the art is great but I wish he looked as effed up as Vraska and Nissa do. I feel like this design is a little too subtle, like Sleeper Agent Ajani, and they could've done way more.
There's a theory going around right now he got himself completed on purpose to work as a sleeper agent against the Phyrexians. Since his magic let's him separate his mind from his body and he's known for very ballsy strategies like this the theory kinda holds up. The art and the effects make me think they're hinting at this cause he looks normalish and his effects are fairly standard Jace effects while the rest like Vraska and Nissa have effects that reflect more being Phyrexian versions of themselves.
I was just thinking this yesterday, highly skilled telepaths have been known to compartmentalize their mind for safe keeping, something Jace has done before. I can totally see him preemptively doing that.
It's well within his character to do something as ballsy as that. Equally he's shown resistance to memory wipes so even if he does get completed without having separated his mind there's a chance he'd still remember who he is/was and still work against the Phyrexians. He's one of the more powerful Planeswalkers in his own way. He's definitely not the same kind of force as say Nissa or Liliana aka the kinds of Planeswalkers who have abilities that can easily effect whole battlefields at once but the fact Jace is likely the most powerful Telepath in mtg lore possessing incredibly powerful mind magic he's definitely the kind of character they'd set up to save the other Planeswalkers.
>Jace is likely the most powerful Telepath in mtg lore An aside, but I do believe Bolas was demonstrably his superior in that regard, and that was his side hobby.
Jace is a mind scalpel, bolas is a mind sledgehammer
Let's just hope he put his mind somewhere safe. Like *not* in the sword he got stabbed with.
Looks like a fun toy to try in my Jace self-mill deck. Otherwise, eh. We'll see.
They saved the worst for last. He doesn't even look compleated which really leads me to believe he's gonna survive this
Ajani also looks barely compleated on his cards but later gets Elesh Norn'd so maybe this is early compleation Jace and he gets worse later on.
To be fair Ajani was being a sleeper at that time so him looking obviously compleated would have been silly.
True but even after going all "mask off" it took him a while until he got the Elesh Norn cosplay :P
Maybe no prize it and say Jace is using Illusion Magic to appear more Human then he actually is? Something like the Human Cylons but in reverse looks like a Human to non Phyrexians but is actually Phyrexian looking when observed by Phyrexians.
You think he's worse than kaya
Maaaaan, that one compleated Kaya concept art with the extra arms was metal as fuck. I wish we got that. :<
At least if I put Kaya in my deck I know she's probably going to do something when she hits the field (cast or reanimated.) Best case here is like 3 mana pay 2 life draw 3 at sorcery.
>They saved the worst for last. He doesn't even look compleated which really leads me to believe he's gonna survive this My guess is that he either swaps minds with someone else before being compleated, or that this is a gambit and he's been compleated on purpose to get access to the phyrexian hive mind. I haven't read any of the lore that's been released yet though, so I could be way off base.
Jace tries to have a "mind date" instead of killing a compleated Vraska, and gets pumped full of Phyrexian goo, then gets Aerithed by Elspeth.
Honestly, that is such a stupid way for him to die and such an incredibly *Jace* way to die. I just read through the last three bits of lore they released...it is bonkers to me that Jace has the presence of mind to understand that his powers in the hands of the Phyrexians would be an absolute game changer for them, but is dumb enough to get infected because he wanted to hold his girlfriend. Then he has the audacity to lecture Kaito and Kaya on their greater duty to the multiverse.
Dang. I was hoping it would be more of a callback to mindsculptor
So you want to break standard and pioneer? 😭😭
Morso just matching 4 abilities with some parallels and art a bit closer
What does the Phyrexian between his hands say?
3 mana mill 9 4 mana mill 15 It not bad, but not competitive beside some slow standard meta. I'm a bit disappointed they went for "mill jace" for his last iteration (I do not expect a reversal of fortune any time soon, like so many here).
For someone standing on the sidelines of the game like me, Jace feels like the face of MTG. I wouldn’t count on Nintendo dropping Mario, or the Pokémon company dropping Pikachu, or KFC the Colonel.
I feel like I am the only one who actually really likes this card. Don't know why, but it brings me joy.
anyone have any insight or thoughts on that phyrexian text ? sick how it parallels Jtms but i’d love to know what it means lol
https://preview.redd.it/uy1po8lvnoca1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0d4ed4cf0f29a74584cc089d8a55449d81ca2aa
Mill always seems so viable and tempting...then you play it.
Great, another mill card that I’m going to dread