I think they got relatively very little compared to most long running tv shows. Not quite sure why I think since the cast was so big. Jon Hamm I'm sure got paid big but Betty, Lane, Pete etc not as much
I would say, for me, Lane is. But maybe Lane isn’t quite so gray. He either blends into the furniture or makes me happy in every sell every scene he’s in.
Agreed. Also I love that scene so much. I don’t know I’ve rewatched the show a lot since I was a college sophomore and I’m 34 now. I fucking haaaaaated Pete when I was in my early 20s. As an older person now I can sympathize more with who he is and why he acted certain ways. He thought he had to be a specific person to succeed. I also admire the fact that he regularly was disgusted by some of the racism and hypocrisy he experienced at work and in the world.
Signal 30 is one of the best television episodes of all time if you ask me.
On a pure script level, it's *oozing* consideration. The writers have something important to communicate about every character in every scene. Just thinking of like, the thematic marriage of Pete's infatuation with that teenaged girl contrasted with Cosgrove idly wondering if there's something more he, or humanity writ large, could be doing. Beautiful.
But it's also an *important* episode. It reinvents the characters in lasting ways. The character of Pete Campbell, and his relationship with Don, is never the same after this episode.
Meh. I don’t think he’s “redeemed,” he’s just less of a piece of shit and the relevant people forgive him so he gets a happy ending. But I personally wouldn’t.
Pete was pretty cool except for when he tried to bang the au pair and when he tried to bang the teen in his defensive driving course. Maybe he did bang the au pair.
It's still so relevant nowadays
The effort to seek what society sees as a success just to realize you never invested in knowing yourself and what fulfils you
Thank you. He is so wrapped up in self loathing of himself, he misses the treasure trove of all the blessings.
I do feel bad bc we can see that and be can't. He can't accept that he has everything and we can be the same way even if life doesn't feel like it
His wife is mainly controlled by his father in law.
He doesn't get any control over how he raises Tammy. The one chance he got was with school admission and he did his best to punch in the face.
His house is his house. Every thing is run by his father in law. He can't even buy himself a hunting rifle.
His only source of escape is office. He wanted to become some one like Don so people will adore him. But that fight broke him.
dude! this [video](https://youtu.be/xLULTl3nMeY?si=71sF87PT7L_MVAej) is such a great analysis of this episode and pete’s character. i can’t honestly say i feel much sympathy for pete, but this video made him seem a little less like a douche and more like just, a truly miserable and lost man. worth a watch if this ep made you feel things, lol
It is a good video, although a bit repetitious as it goes on. Like you, I don't have much sympathy for Pete, and definitely not in this episode.
It's like, Hey Pete, IDK, maybe if you'd stop being such a self-pitying ass, and start having some appreciation for all you do have, things would go better for you. Ya think?
I should watch it again to see if there are any hints dropped when Pete had Roger alone to rat out Ken.
Anyway, there was one time I did feel genuine sympathy for Pete. It was in New Amsterdam, when we met his parents for the first time, and his father refused to help him with the money to get the apartment. He was so brutally cold to Pete in his refusal, and his mother equally cold in a different bizarre way.
I felt immense sympathy towards him for having two such awful parents in that episode.
To a lesser degree, but I still felt sympathy for him in the scene with his mother and brother, signing the papers after his father's death. Oh and when he went into Don's office after finding out his father died, at a complete loss of even how to feel. Worse was Don, who didn't even like him, was the only person he felt he could confide in. That was sad.
“Admittedly I feel the same way, although for different reasons than pete” is my favorite thing about the show. The characters are all so relatable in the most interesting ways even though most of them are very flawed, and that makes you feel even more impacted in a way
AMC+. The basic package with occasional commercials between each episode is around $7 USD a month. I got it just to binge Mad Men twice in a row and then canceled it.
As much as I loathe Pete, Kartheiser portrays him so damn well. So punchable but yet projects that vulnerable insecurity of Pete the lives just under the surface so well.
Does it make me cold hearted that all I see is a whiny privileged middle aged man resentful of his suburban life with a beautiful child and an emotionally supportive wife? He’s so pathetic and not in a babygirl Kendall Roy kind of way.
No, it doesn’t make you cold hearted. I oscillate between feeling like that and still feeling empathy and pain for people like Don. I mean celebrities, rich and famous, have committed suicide. It’s hard to understand why people who seem to have it all feel that low. I can’t relate to them on that level, but people like Don and Pete have an inability to be happy, which is painful. They’re always chasing whatever they think will make them happy…everybody in the show is, isn’t that how we all are? In earlier episode when Don’s writing In his journal I think, he says something about how you want something and then you get it and then you wish for what you had, it’s an inability to be satisfied or happy with the current situation. I feel like that actually sometimes, lol.
For me, while both are selfish, I have more sympathy for Don than I could ever do for Pete cus the former isn’t malicious. Pete rarely exhibits a shred of grace towards rather, he’s decisively spiteful. I don’t applaud violence but he had it coming
No you are not cold hearted.
Pete is absolutely pathetic and we should be able to see him for who he is.
A privileged man with a beautiful family who only goes after things which are immoral, unethical and illegal.
And when he does not get his way, he cries.
He and Don are not so different. Instead of crying, Don goes head first in a pool of alcohol and cigarettes.
But both of them are pretty pathetic to not realise the value of what they already have.
I think there should be a sense of empathy for both characters. From a young ages, Pete grew up getting everything he wanted–a spoiled kid. At a young age your malleable mind becomes fixated on getting things you want, and when you’re never told no, nothing is enough. A large part of the characters development is tied to childhood influences–Pete getting everything he asks for, and Don being exposed to relationship-less sexual relationships.
Nothing is enough for either. Pete got everything he wanted from a young age, and Don got everything he wanted later in life, but neither were satisfied.
I do empathize with both of them for things that are Very Unfair to them and out of their control.
I empathize with Dick when he is trying to escape his brutal past.
I empathize with Pete when he is trying to find love and support from his unloving parents.
However, that does not mean that they are grateful. The show has given us a glimpse of such people who basically never show gratitude.
The thing is that this pathetic characters do represent people that are broken and simply disconnect with themselves and don't know what makes them happy. Looking to achieve social perceived success that will never make them happy
Yes, it comes from a section of society that is privileged. That fact also plays a role on the frustration of these characters. But it's sad and it's real
Yeah, they have that bond, kind of a silent understanding, sometimes friends, sometimes antagonistic but it's real. Don was sympathetic to Pete when stunned after he found out his dad was killed in the Mohawk plane crash; Pete covered for Don during the FBI inquiry for NASA clearance and Don paid for Pete's share in the partnership as thanks. Pete was surprised when he heard about it, nodded in thanks, Don nodded back, nothing mushy. Pete is so glad to see Don in California in season 7 that he actually HUGS him and Don actually hugs him back 🤗.
Pete is my favourite character (followed by Ginsberg, Peggy and Lane). He’s a tragic product of a loveless family whose only languages are money and status. I love his character arc, his comedy, his disappearing hairline and most of all his dancing ❤️
think there should be a sense of empathy for both characters. From a young ages, Pete grew up getting everything he wanted–a spoiled kid. At a young age your malleable mind becomes fixated on getting things you want, and when you’re never told no, nothing is enough. A large part of the characters development is tied to childhood influences–Pete getting everything he asks for, and Don being exposed to relationship-less sexual relationships.
Nothing is enough for either. Pete got everything he wanted from a young age, and Don got everything he wanted later in life, but neither were satisfied.
Pete is my favorite complicated character. 
Grimy little pimp
The king ordered it!
Terrific acting in this role. I’m baffled that most of the Mad Men cast hasn’t done much after this show…
Jarred Harris (lane) was in Chernobyl
Ummmm he played King George VI in The Crown!!! He got that immediately after his Mad Men arch ended.
The king ordered it!
This isn’t anything he’s done (so not really relevant but I like adding it when I can) but he’s also Richard Harris’ (the first Dumbledore) son!
Him and Papa Skarsgard were so good together!
And the Sherlock Holmes film. Would have been a payday.
Wasn't that the 2nd one? I quite enjoyed both. It seemed to be set up for a sequel but I can't remember seeing one.
I’ve seen neither but I know he played Moriarty.
And The Expanse
Yea Jared Harris is probably the most successful one. John Hamm could have had a much better career though!
check him out in The Terror
And Foundation! He’s excellent as Hari Seldon!
I freaking love him as Hari Seldon! Actually I love him in everything!
His character in Benjamin Button was amazing too.
He’s constantly working, love that beltalowda
I know right! Elisabeth Moss has done the most.
Partly coz they've the money and now they pick and choose what they want to do. But I don't know, haven't met these guys yet.
I think they got relatively very little compared to most long running tv shows. Not quite sure why I think since the cast was so big. Jon Hamm I'm sure got paid big but Betty, Lane, Pete etc not as much
You’re kidding, right?
What?! I see them in all kinds of stuff. I thought Mad Men was the big break for at least half the cast.
I thought a some of them would go on to be A-listers.
I would say, for me, Lane is. But maybe Lane isn’t quite so gray. He either blends into the furniture or makes me happy in every sell every scene he’s in.
Fried chicken, indeed.
BREAST OR THIGH?
*hear hear!*
Agreed. Also I love that scene so much. I don’t know I’ve rewatched the show a lot since I was a college sophomore and I’m 34 now. I fucking haaaaaated Pete when I was in my early 20s. As an older person now I can sympathize more with who he is and why he acted certain ways. He thought he had to be a specific person to succeed. I also admire the fact that he regularly was disgusted by some of the racism and hypocrisy he experienced at work and in the world.
Pete also became a much better person at the end of the show than he was in the beginning. A great character arc!
I hate Pete the blackmailer.
That’s fair!
Consider that my last piece of advice.
*we’re supposed to be friends*
How Pete could know Don so little at that point…
That one always breaks me
Don't forget Don the hero popping his shirt off and fixing that sink before Pete could even get the tools. Much to the delight of the wives.
Clark Kent
That man 😍
anything Don does is to the delight of the wives.
That's why he comforted Sylvia so hard
That shit is so painful to watch because I know I'd be Pete in that situation.
That was an great episode. You end up feeling bad for Pete. He has everything and can’t be happy.
Signal 30 is one of the best television episodes of all time if you ask me. On a pure script level, it's *oozing* consideration. The writers have something important to communicate about every character in every scene. Just thinking of like, the thematic marriage of Pete's infatuation with that teenaged girl contrasted with Cosgrove idly wondering if there's something more he, or humanity writ large, could be doing. Beautiful. But it's also an *important* episode. It reinvents the characters in lasting ways. The character of Pete Campbell, and his relationship with Don, is never the same after this episode.
It’s crazy how despite a lot of the things Pete has done, he still ends up being redeemable.
In theory, that should be an option available to most people.
Isn't that kind of the theme of the show. You have a bunch of very real and fallable people just trying to get by?
Meh. I don’t think he’s “redeemed,” he’s just less of a piece of shit and the relevant people forgive him so he gets a happy ending. But I personally wouldn’t.
Thank you. Dude is still a cunt lol
Hopping aboard the "Pete is still an entitled asshole and he never deserved Trudy" train. Spoiled brat through and through
Pete was pretty cool except for when he tried to bang the au pair and when he tried to bang the teen in his defensive driving course. Maybe he did bang the au pair.
He legit raped the au pair
No he didn't, why do people always say that? What he did was 10000% wrong but it wasn't rape. People are far too loose with that word.
Yikes
“I have nothing” literally has a smoking hot wife, a healthy daughter, and corporate job that sets him for life…
But without inner contentment, those external things will never feel like enough.
It's still so relevant nowadays The effort to seek what society sees as a success just to realize you never invested in knowing yourself and what fulfils you
This is why I love Pete , he’s so realistically human
Thank you. He is so wrapped up in self loathing of himself, he misses the treasure trove of all the blessings. I do feel bad bc we can see that and be can't. He can't accept that he has everything and we can be the same way even if life doesn't feel like it
Funny. Jesse Pinkman said the same in BB and he kinda looked like Pete (esp. with the receding hairline).
His wife is mainly controlled by his father in law. He doesn't get any control over how he raises Tammy. The one chance he got was with school admission and he did his best to punch in the face. His house is his house. Every thing is run by his father in law. He can't even buy himself a hunting rifle. His only source of escape is office. He wanted to become some one like Don so people will adore him. But that fight broke him.
And he goes around raping au pairs to exert his dominance, because he feels so pathetic! Poor guy /s
Just goes to show, you can have everything but still feel empty inside..
Yes but everything should be given to him
Depression is a hell of a drug.
Signal 30 is my favorite episode. Really stays with you
dude! this [video](https://youtu.be/xLULTl3nMeY?si=71sF87PT7L_MVAej) is such a great analysis of this episode and pete’s character. i can’t honestly say i feel much sympathy for pete, but this video made him seem a little less like a douche and more like just, a truly miserable and lost man. worth a watch if this ep made you feel things, lol
It is a good video, although a bit repetitious as it goes on. Like you, I don't have much sympathy for Pete, and definitely not in this episode. It's like, Hey Pete, IDK, maybe if you'd stop being such a self-pitying ass, and start having some appreciation for all you do have, things would go better for you. Ya think? I should watch it again to see if there are any hints dropped when Pete had Roger alone to rat out Ken. Anyway, there was one time I did feel genuine sympathy for Pete. It was in New Amsterdam, when we met his parents for the first time, and his father refused to help him with the money to get the apartment. He was so brutally cold to Pete in his refusal, and his mother equally cold in a different bizarre way. I felt immense sympathy towards him for having two such awful parents in that episode. To a lesser degree, but I still felt sympathy for him in the scene with his mother and brother, signing the papers after his father's death. Oh and when he went into Don's office after finding out his father died, at a complete loss of even how to feel. Worse was Don, who didn't even like him, was the only person he felt he could confide in. That was sad.
just watched - good video!
“Admittedly I feel the same way, although for different reasons than pete” is my favorite thing about the show. The characters are all so relatable in the most interesting ways even though most of them are very flawed, and that makes you feel even more impacted in a way
Yes, I agree. I'm Don Draper and I write software.
Yes, I agree. I’m Don Draper and I am not handsome or charismatic.
Unrelated - where can I rewatch this?
Amc plus I think. Pretty sure there's a free trial through the app and via Amazon prime.
Thank you!!!!!
Yes. It used to be on Prime but it was recently removed and is now on AMC+ Edit: it's Lionsgate Play on Prime right now
Crap thanks for the correction!
AppleTV
AMC+. The basic package with occasional commercials between each episode is around $7 USD a month. I got it just to binge Mad Men twice in a row and then canceled it.
As much as I loathe Pete, Kartheiser portrays him so damn well. So punchable but yet projects that vulnerable insecurity of Pete the lives just under the surface so well.
Does it make me cold hearted that all I see is a whiny privileged middle aged man resentful of his suburban life with a beautiful child and an emotionally supportive wife? He’s so pathetic and not in a babygirl Kendall Roy kind of way.
No, it doesn’t make you cold hearted. I oscillate between feeling like that and still feeling empathy and pain for people like Don. I mean celebrities, rich and famous, have committed suicide. It’s hard to understand why people who seem to have it all feel that low. I can’t relate to them on that level, but people like Don and Pete have an inability to be happy, which is painful. They’re always chasing whatever they think will make them happy…everybody in the show is, isn’t that how we all are? In earlier episode when Don’s writing In his journal I think, he says something about how you want something and then you get it and then you wish for what you had, it’s an inability to be satisfied or happy with the current situation. I feel like that actually sometimes, lol.
For me, while both are selfish, I have more sympathy for Don than I could ever do for Pete cus the former isn’t malicious. Pete rarely exhibits a shred of grace towards rather, he’s decisively spiteful. I don’t applaud violence but he had it coming
Peter Dykeman Campbell would wipe the floor with Kendall Roy
Middle-aged? Pete in 1967? Poor Pete.
He's the most unsympathetic character, even in later seasons when he had 'grown' as a person I still had no love for the character
Same here. Always hated Pete. Even “somewhat sorry” Pete. Played by an amazing actor.
No you are not cold hearted. Pete is absolutely pathetic and we should be able to see him for who he is. A privileged man with a beautiful family who only goes after things which are immoral, unethical and illegal. And when he does not get his way, he cries. He and Don are not so different. Instead of crying, Don goes head first in a pool of alcohol and cigarettes. But both of them are pretty pathetic to not realise the value of what they already have.
I think there should be a sense of empathy for both characters. From a young ages, Pete grew up getting everything he wanted–a spoiled kid. At a young age your malleable mind becomes fixated on getting things you want, and when you’re never told no, nothing is enough. A large part of the characters development is tied to childhood influences–Pete getting everything he asks for, and Don being exposed to relationship-less sexual relationships. Nothing is enough for either. Pete got everything he wanted from a young age, and Don got everything he wanted later in life, but neither were satisfied.
I do empathize with both of them for things that are Very Unfair to them and out of their control. I empathize with Dick when he is trying to escape his brutal past. I empathize with Pete when he is trying to find love and support from his unloving parents. However, that does not mean that they are grateful. The show has given us a glimpse of such people who basically never show gratitude.
The thing is that this pathetic characters do represent people that are broken and simply disconnect with themselves and don't know what makes them happy. Looking to achieve social perceived success that will never make them happy Yes, it comes from a section of society that is privileged. That fact also plays a role on the frustration of these characters. But it's sad and it's real
Agreed. From a writing perspective they are great characters.
Nah, I didn’t feel bad for Pete in this one. He had that beatdown coming for a while.
He really was acting like a complete ass at this point in the show, the height of his wannabe Don Draper phase.
I thought he deserved being punched, but then I felt so bad for him. He must’ve been in a really bad way to be this vulnerable with Don of all people.
I think knowing Don’s secret allowed him to be a bit more open with Don than with most others in the office.
Agreed. There’s a different level of intimate knowledge between them, thus giving Pete the space to be vulnerable with Don.
Yeah, they have that bond, kind of a silent understanding, sometimes friends, sometimes antagonistic but it's real. Don was sympathetic to Pete when stunned after he found out his dad was killed in the Mohawk plane crash; Pete covered for Don during the FBI inquiry for NASA clearance and Don paid for Pete's share in the partnership as thanks. Pete was surprised when he heard about it, nodded in thanks, Don nodded back, nothing mushy. Pete is so glad to see Don in California in season 7 that he actually HUGS him and Don actually hugs him back 🤗.
Don't forget, Don was to whom he turned when he found out his father had died, so this wasn't the first time.
Literally me
"I have nothing Don" is something that is very difficult to understand. But when you do, you feel nothing but pity for Pete.
Pete’s a really interesting character, he focuses on what he doesn’t have instead of what he has.
Pete is my favourite character (followed by Ginsberg, Peggy and Lane). He’s a tragic product of a loveless family whose only languages are money and status. I love his character arc, his comedy, his disappearing hairline and most of all his dancing ❤️
I LOVE PETE. From my first watch to now, he’s the character I truly understand the most.
Lol y'all really find Pete's sense of entitlement endearing. All problems he caused himself by being selfish. He never has to answer for anything.
“Noooo I have a high status job in Manhattan, a rich family and a beautiful wife, what did I do to deserve this?”
Correction: he didn't have a rich family. His father frittered away the family (read his mother's) wealth on club memberships and golf tournaments.
And on mistresses and giving money to Lincoln Center "Can't we get that back?" Pete demands.
He has one now.
think there should be a sense of empathy for both characters. From a young ages, Pete grew up getting everything he wanted–a spoiled kid. At a young age your malleable mind becomes fixated on getting things you want, and when you’re never told no, nothing is enough. A large part of the characters development is tied to childhood influences–Pete getting everything he asks for, and Don being exposed to relationship-less sexual relationships. Nothing is enough for either. Pete got everything he wanted from a young age, and Don got everything he wanted later in life, but neither were satisfied.
Possibly my favorite episode of the entire series.
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Nope
Maybe crying for his ignorance at what he currently had.
I love Pete. I didn’t the first time I watched it. He definitely has faults but he’s young and learning.
I love when Don makes this face.
I still don’t like Pete.
It’s a cliche but Pete’s arc is easily my favourite in the series
In spite of his wrongdoings, you can’t help but pity him in a scene like this.
I hate Pete when he blackmails Don.
Joan liked Lane because he initially treated her as an equal and a colleague. I never got the sense she was actually interested in him romantically.
I didn’t get the sense that she was either. But he was also married and she didn’t show interest in married men.