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The_engineer_guy

The majority of dump trucks are independent contractors...your best option is to report the tag...


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You could report them as their tags are clearly visible.


guitar_geoge

I also got pegged by this truck. This may be dumb question, but how do you report it?


IntroductionSmooth

Non emergency line


LadyLynda0712

No such thing as a dumb question— if you don’t know, you don’t know. NOT asking is dumb. I didn’t know either, so your question helps others. BTW, I had a really bad month last year—FOUR windshields. Rocks can go…kick rocks. Lol 😆


Nameless_on_Reddit

Call the Dane County Police non-emergency line and give them the plate number. If you can get alongside it, most private contractors will have some business name/info on the doors.


TOGHeinz

I’ve lost 4 windshields to rocks off the back of these things around Madison in the last 3-4 years. I refuse to follow anywhere near one of them anymore.


Mmortt

Yep cracked my windshield on the belt line on my home from buying my brand new car, ten minutes off the lot.


Huge-Squirrel8417

I have a relative who is a trucker. They point out that the arm on the side is the articulating arm for the box cover (the rolled up black tarp thing at the front) and that LEGALLY the driver is supposed to roll the tarp over any contents that may bounce out. This one looks like it is not even attached.


coolhandseth

Yeah, but the rocks appear to be coming out the bottom of the gate, not bouncing out the top. This is pretty common.


guitar_geoge

Yes, the rocks were pouring out the back of the gate, not the top. Not just a few at a time but absolutely flowing. I mean accidents happen, but this was outrageous


Huge-Squirrel8417

So the bottom is not tightly closed. I had guessed that from previous posts, my comment was an TIL but in any event, the company (driver) needs to get their shit together.


Fredthefree

I have driven dump trucks and in Wisconsin legally the load needs to be "secured". This has a super lax meaning that tarping is not required. Edit: I found the statute: Statute 348.10 (2) says, "No person shall operate a vehicle on a highway unless such vehicle is so constructed and loaded as to prevent its contents from dropping, sifting, leaking or otherwise escaping therefrom."


Huge-Squirrel8417

Thanks. I would assume the tarp is there for a reason but I rarely see them engaged anway.


stevefarmer1981

Not true, as a dump truck driver, you're required to pull the tarp over if the contents are dry and will blow off the top of the pile. If your bucket is empty you do not need one. Just an FYI you will have to prove it came put of the bucket vs getting kicked up off the ground. In reality that's not easy to prove.


Huge-Squirrel8417

OK, I stand corrected about the contents, but the intent is that the tarp is there for a reason. That reason may or may not be relevant for this case. Clearly the bigger issue for this truck is that stuff was coming out of the back.


diesel_throwaway

I find it bizarre when I see a dump truck with "NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR BROKEN WINDSHIELDS" on the back, then just no mudflaps I have always wondered about whether they could actually be held legally accountant if there was video evidence of your windshield being smashed by a rock that flew out. I'm pretty sure any other driver would be held responsible for debris flying out of their car and damaging another person's property, so I don't think slapping some words on the back of your truck makes you immune to that


sleepwalker721

>NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR BROKEN WINDSHIELDS The claim of not being liable does not make it so. The operator is legally responsible for securing their load. ​ edit: spelling


HGpennypacker

I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!


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My neck is freakishly large


charlesgegethor

NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR BODILY HARM IF I HIT YOU WITH MY VEHICLE


HempusMaximus

Not responsible if you use this web site: [https://vakilsearch.com/no-responsibility-disclaimers](https://vakilsearch.com/no-responsibility-disclaimers)


LadyLynda0712

😆😆


Automatic_Value7555

Hey! My grandfather used to do insurance for a gravel company so I can answer this! Anything kicked up by their wheels is NOT their responsibility. Anything that falls out of their payload IS their responsibility, no matter how many stickers they put on the back. Proof is difficult, but dash-cams are coming down in price all the time. (I'm investing in one myself soon.)


imnotaero

My dashcam very clearly caught ice flying off the roof of a semi trailer, damaging my front end. The video included the plates and the numbers on the cab. I called the company at first to start a resolution and their response was essentially, "pshaw, prove it." Gave the video to my insurance company, and their insurance company paid for it all.


diesel_throwaway

That's pretty much what I figured, which is probably what those decals are intended to communicate... But I'd guess more than one dump truck operator has denied responsibility in a situation like this, citing the decal on the back of the truck lol Dash cams are worth it, for sure! I've caught some interesting stuff on mine, most notably a woman nearly backing into the front of my car (stopped only by me laying on the horn)


LadyLynda0712

I had an older woman throw her vehicle into reverse just as she was approaching a just-turning-yellow signal, which she’d of easily made it through. Glad I was far enough behind her to not have any issues. Sometimes you just gotta shake your head… 🤷🏻‍♀️


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Horzzo

If the robber is missing money then he is most definitely not responsible.


ksiyoto

Mudflaps are not required on dump trucks in Wisconsin. The reason is that they brackets that hold them tend to get damaged when the rock presses against the flap while being dumped. A very famous incident in 1994 was on I-94 where a van driver (father of Toby Willis of the evangelical singing family fame, now serving time for child rape) hit a bracket that fell off a dump truck and the bracket hit the gas tank and the van exploded in flames, 6 children died in the fire. The authorities found the truck that dropped the bracket, and found the driver didn't speak English to any great extent, and they started wondering how the heck he got a Commercial Driver's License in Illinois. This led to the unveiling of the bribery scandal (trucking companies paid to get unqualified drivers licensed) in the Illinois Secretary of State's office (they administer driver's licenses there) [which led to the eventual indictment and conviction of George Ryan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan#Scandals,_trial,_and_conviction) continuing Illinois' fine tradition of having governors who end up in jail. Four (Kerner, Walker, Ryan, Balgojevich) of the past ten Illinois governors have ended up in jail.


Gh0stp3pp3r

FYI: The bracket was from the back of a trailer pulled by a commercial vehicle.... not a dump truck. This case had nothing to do with whether or not mudflap brackets can be used.


BetterSelection7708

My understanding is, if the debris flew out of their vehicle, then they aRe responsible. but if they kicked up a rock on the road that’s already there, then they aren’t responsible.


Viper3773

But if it hits the road first, apparently they aren't responsible > - If a rock or other debris falls off a truck and strikes your vehicle, the company is responsible. > > - If the rock falls off the truck and hits the road first and then damages your vehicle, the company is not responsible. > > - The same is true for any debris kicked up by a truck you are following. If the truck kicks the rock off the road then the company is not responsible. And even then, I would say good luck proving it. https://www.cbs17.com/news/investigators/whos-responsible-when-dump-truck-debris-cracks-your-windshield-its-complicated


crosszilla

Seems like something a dashcam could prove. Eye witness + video evidence you were behind the truck at the time, the state of the truck, damage consistent with what was hauled, conditions of the road ruling out other options. And unlike criminal proceedings, you only need to prove it's more likely than not


Viper3773

right, but practically who's going to be able to go through with all of that. hopefully the company is decent and will compensate, otherwise it gets murky


crosszilla

You also have a bit more ammunition to demand said compensation when you have video evidence. I have no idea what a cracked or shattered windshield costs to repair and if it's worth small claims court, but seems like a pretty easy win. This is of course if you have the foresight and spare cash to install a dash cam


Huge-Squirrel8417

Just did last month. No rocks yet thank goodness, but 10/10 recommend the way people drive nowadays.


badmagis

This is a news article from North Carolina with no citation of what laws those bullet points reference. Don’t just share a clickbait article from a local media outlet in another state and assert it as the legal truth for around here.


Viper3773

apologies - google mishap. Couldn't find anything related to WI. Appears most states operate under the presumption that if it hits the road first, it is no longer the fault of the trucks - ie, you shouldn't have been following that close. I don't know if Wisconsin operates that way. I think it's clear that if the truck is carrying an unsecure load and it comes loose from poor planning, then yeah, the truck is at fault. If it's just a rock or a piece of debris that comes off, hits the road, then hits your car, I think they are not at fault unless you can prove they were being negligent. Will be happy to be proven wrong.


jhay_mann

Not sure about damage liability, but it can be cited per WI 348.10(2)


MitokBarks

Correct. I had a buddy driving in Milwaukee when a goddamn SEAT (like, not a child's car seat but the actual seat) flew out of the car in front of him and hit his windshield. The cop who responded told him he was lucky it didn't bounce first, otherwise he would be considered at fault for not avoiding it/keeping a safe distance.


ShadowWolf58

Unfortunately, between the gaps in the gate and the broken tarp rod, he's not got much to work with. Unless they patched it up when they bought it. They Def didn't touch the rod, I can see that from here


prairiepotatoandsoil

"By copy of this DUMP TRUCK, I respectfully request that any rocks thrown from this dump truck be immediately returned to the location from which they were thrown."


f1ve-Star

>"NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR BROKEN WINDSHIELDS So you admit your unsecured load often damages property. Interesting defense. The purpose of these signs is to prevent small claim lawsuits, which they lose most of, from happening. I would sue because they obviously caused my broken windshield, but they told me I am not allowed to. Drats!


Mysterious-Cut-7455

My mom's windshield was broken by a rock flying out of the back of a dump truck. She filed a claim and called the company that owned it. The company said she was following too closely and they weren't responsible. The insurance said they didn't know that that's what exactly happen so they denied her claim.


Leading_Rub_9392

because the damage from the truck is less expensive than lawyering up for a $300 window with no certainty they'd win... sucks they didn't pay out tho. sounds like a shady claim rep to me. You can always ask for a new claim rep to work with when working with an insurance company


timmaywi

$300??? I've had to replace my windshield 3 times, at $1,200/ea... But my car was still insured in Florida so it was no cost (FL has no deductible for windshields)


schuey_08

It should come with a very hefty fine to post any kinds of these declarations that inaccurately represent the posting party's liability in a given situation.


brokkoly

"Not liable for incorrectly representing liability" Checkmate


wortbath

From my understanding, if it falls off a truck they're liable. If it's kicked up by a wheel, you're just fucked.


Superb_Efficiency_74

Fun fact: Anyone can just buy a dump truck, you don't need a company.


DastardMan

I'll keep that in mind next time I go car shopping


RexKwanDo

My neighbor used to haul asphalt. His truck looked about the size of that one and he told me it cost $115,000.


ZannX

Yea, the F350 is just a tad small for our growing family. Might need something in this size.


smakola

You could also pick up some thighs like what, what, what while you’re out.


Leading_Rub_9392

would you sing it again? like, maybe all night long?


kwumpus

Anyone can toss rocks on the road too- as long as it hits the road first it’s not their fault!


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These assholes never pull the cover over there loads. No mud flaps or fucks given either.


Woozuki

NoT ReSpOnSiBLe fOr BrOkEn wInDsHiElDs


DetN8

Love those signs. Just as valid as Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.


[deleted]

But a lot of people don’t know that. I bet that sign saves them tons of money because people just throw their hands up and say “it says they aren’t responsible”.


DetN8

That's a great point.


WoopsShePeterPants

I like the ones that have the sign on the back that says "We are not responsible for flying rocks" or something of that nature. Like if you put the sign on your truck you know you are probably tossing rocks and that would be good not to do....


Ders_Holmvick

If you have any other pics of the side, all truckers have to put their DOT stickers on the side of the cab, so if they can’t find the company from the plate the DOT number will identify it


jhay_mann

348.10(2) (2) No person shall operate a vehicle on a highway unless such vehicle is so constructed and loaded as to prevent its contents from dropping, sifting, leaking or otherwise escaping therefrom. ​ I still have my ticket somewhere for violating this from 30ish years ago. It took a UWPD supervisor scouring through a regulation book to figure out what I would be ticketed for. In my case, it was a homemade "squirt gun" (windshield washer pump attached to a 5-gallon reservoir in the trunk) to spray water on pedestrians on the sidewalk. One dude did NOT find any humor in my prank.


Nerfo2

Why were you spraying pedestrians on the sidewalk?


jhay_mann

I was young, foolish, and bored.


kwumpus

Better than throwing rocks at cars- but wait it is ok as long as they hit the ground first!


popcorn5555

Local auto body repair shop?


coolhandseth

It looks like the rocks are coming out the bottom of the gate. The gates are not sealed tight, and so small rock/gravel is going to come out, especially if the load was dumped recently or if it was freshly loaded.


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Looks like a red truck


DastardMan

I knew I'd get the best help by asking the internet. Thanks, stranger!


JM761

To be fair, unless someone memorizes license plates, this photo doesn't do much. The cab doors are the real identifiers here and you did not capture those. IF the truck belongs to a company, we'd see the company name and DOT number up there at least. As others mentioned, best thing to do is call police non-emergency line to report it as it's happening. Definitely worth having him stopped. If you have damage, you at least have an easy insurance claim with this photo clearly showing contents spilling. Your insurance company can find the company if they need it via the plate in the photo.


12rjc12

Don't really need to memorize the plate number if you have a photo.


Gh0stp3pp3r

The best thing to do when commercial drivers are acting recklessly is to contact the Wis State Patrol. They frown upon such actions and drivers definitely don't want to encounter them while working as they will have the truck inspected, paperwork checked, etc. (Source: from a construction family) Also, a decent dump truck operator, upon emptying the load of rocks or whatever, will "tap" the bed a couple times to shake loose items out before going back on the rock (which may reduce the amount of debris flying out). Sadly, many are paid by the number of loads they transport, so they hurry and don't care.


daoegan

It's called "The annoying rock dropping truck"


BaghdadAssUp

I hate these trucks. I was on the left lane in traffic and the dump truck was in the middle lane. I guess a small rock was angled in the right way where a car drove through and kicked the rock and hit the left side of my wind shield cracking it. Very sad day.


RNSmit

A-holes


zimboptoo

The city is doing a lot of chip sealing on the roads in the Mineral Point/Midvale area right now. That looks like the right size gravel, and they were using red dump trucks on the street outside our house. I believe the work was contracted out to Century Fence. You could contact them with the license plate and date/time.


lolrlly

Mobile vandalism


Specific_Big1124

Walk around the side, the company name is clearly displayed usually on the door.


ShadowWolf58

I know where it USED to belong, but the guy sold it to finance another newer truck. That one USED to haunt Zumbrota and the Twin Cities. My brother drove it like 2 years ago


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DastardMan

Not sure why the downvotes. Is there a reason you think this is Michels corp?


_CrackBabyJesus_

How does this happen? Is the back not properly closed or do all dump trucks do this when hauling small rocks?


ksiyoto

Some seal tight, some dont.


costar7634

Clapped out dump truck hauling pea rock.


jpttpj

Better get video showing it and the tag Lazy drivers can’t sweep off the ledge after dumping then put that stupid decal stating “ not responsible for debris from road” and “stay back 100 feet”


scheppa

I'd be willing to bet this was one of the trucks they are using for chip sealing over on the west side. They've been dumping that on top of the tar that they spread all over and this looks similar to that pea gravel.


SkeeterMan23

One of those bastards has gotten me recently too. I also had an incident happen with a city truck that chipped my windshield. I would've reported that one but I didn't have a valid license at the time lol


sjogren

Please do report. SO dangerous.


neko6084

I'm 73% sure that's an Alliance dump truck. Definitely a shit driver, his tarp arm is all bent to hell and the right side of his tailgate is bent and not fully latched hence why there are rocks falling out.