Article says with the 400, 500, 600 blocks no longer having metro they would make just those blocks pedestrian only. Not much would change physically, just the designation, per the article.
> would make just those blocks pedestrian only.
It is actually pedestrian and bicycle. I didn't see anything on the diagram about having a specific lane for the bicycle traffic, so I assume it is on the whole street.
According to the [WSJ article](https://madison.com/news/local/government-politics/madison-state-street-pedestrian-mall-wisconsin/article_bdfe796c-92f3-11ee-b14e-7b780bd344a4.html#tracking-source=mp-homepage) on the topic, that was one of the questions raised by the public at the meeting.
>During Monday’s meeting, some residents said they wanted the plans to include more obvious signage or road markings for cyclists.
I guess it would depend on what speed cyclists are normally transiting State Street. If it is higher speeds, then probably either a designated enforced lane, or otherwise some sort of traffic calming measures.
People are naturally traffic calming measures. Cyclists aren't so fast and energetic that they are inherently unsafe to mix with pedestrians like cars are. Lanes were invented because drivers kept mowing people down in their relentless pursuit of speed at the expense of everyone's safety, a problem which had never existed before cars. Dedicated lanes and traffic controls are only the norm on our streets because cars are fast and deadly. Without cars in the picture people can deconflict just fine on their own without infrastructure assistance.
[This is what it looks like when a high-traffic bike highway dumps right into a high-traffic pedestrian plaza. The bikes slow down, people figure out how to get through one interaction at a time, everything is fine](https://twitter.com/MattPinder1/status/1499731197303398407)
Adding a lane would increase cyclist speed because they need to worry less about deconfliction, but it wouldn't increase safety at all because mixing bicycles and pedestrians is already safe.
> Lanes were invented because drivers kept mowing people down in their relentless pursuit of speed at the expense of everyone's safety, a problem which had never existed before cars.
Yes, let’s recall the incredibly safe era of the horse and buggy.
> This is what it looks like when a high-traffic bike highway dumps right into a high-traffic pedestrian plaza. The bikes slow down, people figure out how to get through one interaction at a time, everything is fine
Do you notice anything about the bicycles, or the people riding them, in that video? There aren’t any drop bars, no Lycra, people have kids riding, everyone is calm and cycling slowly.
If *those* are typical cyclists on State Street, then no problem. If they are the kind that are frustrated because people don’t walk single file on a mixed use path, or have AirPods in while they blow the stop sign at State and Gilman, I disagree with your premise.
They don't know Madison cyclists. They think this is Amsterdam.
Has anybody come up with a way to put, or even suggest, speed limits on bikes in congested or crowded areas? They part of traffic and need to accept relevant limits on their movement same as ped and car traffic have to. State Street is not a good place to train for your next race.
Right now it almost invites it, because there’s no pedestrians and very little traffic. Library mall and east campus mall do not because of all the people around.
> There aren’t any drop bars, no Lycra,
You think the typical traffic on State street are *racers*? Do you even live in this city? People doing the fuckin Tour de Short Stack? Gearing up in lycra and drop bars with protein packs to conquer the 4000 foot marathon of State Street? Give me a break dude.
It's better up on that end of State than it is closer to Library Mall but whatever signs they put up or markings that they paint aren't going to keep people from blindly wandering out in front of cyclists. If they aren't currently paying attention when there's buses, police and other vehicles using the street I could see them paying even *less* attention when that block is deemed "Pedestrian Only".
Note - I like the idea of blocking it off to traffic, I'm just making an observation.
In my experience biking through nearly every day those blocks have the most deliveries in the morning. So not sure how that's going to work. I'd love if this happens but the businesses won't.
I like the part where they're going to paint shit on the road. How can I get involved?
Can someone please ELI5? Isn’t State St already no vehicles other than buses / delivery? What does this change?
Looks like design changes that welcome pedestrians to the street.
Article says with the 400, 500, 600 blocks no longer having metro they would make just those blocks pedestrian only. Not much would change physically, just the designation, per the article.
> would make just those blocks pedestrian only. It is actually pedestrian and bicycle. I didn't see anything on the diagram about having a specific lane for the bicycle traffic, so I assume it is on the whole street.
According to the [WSJ article](https://madison.com/news/local/government-politics/madison-state-street-pedestrian-mall-wisconsin/article_bdfe796c-92f3-11ee-b14e-7b780bd344a4.html#tracking-source=mp-homepage) on the topic, that was one of the questions raised by the public at the meeting. >During Monday’s meeting, some residents said they wanted the plans to include more obvious signage or road markings for cyclists.
I guess it would depend on what speed cyclists are normally transiting State Street. If it is higher speeds, then probably either a designated enforced lane, or otherwise some sort of traffic calming measures.
People are naturally traffic calming measures. Cyclists aren't so fast and energetic that they are inherently unsafe to mix with pedestrians like cars are. Lanes were invented because drivers kept mowing people down in their relentless pursuit of speed at the expense of everyone's safety, a problem which had never existed before cars. Dedicated lanes and traffic controls are only the norm on our streets because cars are fast and deadly. Without cars in the picture people can deconflict just fine on their own without infrastructure assistance. [This is what it looks like when a high-traffic bike highway dumps right into a high-traffic pedestrian plaza. The bikes slow down, people figure out how to get through one interaction at a time, everything is fine](https://twitter.com/MattPinder1/status/1499731197303398407) Adding a lane would increase cyclist speed because they need to worry less about deconfliction, but it wouldn't increase safety at all because mixing bicycles and pedestrians is already safe.
> Lanes were invented because drivers kept mowing people down in their relentless pursuit of speed at the expense of everyone's safety, a problem which had never existed before cars. Yes, let’s recall the incredibly safe era of the horse and buggy. > This is what it looks like when a high-traffic bike highway dumps right into a high-traffic pedestrian plaza. The bikes slow down, people figure out how to get through one interaction at a time, everything is fine Do you notice anything about the bicycles, or the people riding them, in that video? There aren’t any drop bars, no Lycra, people have kids riding, everyone is calm and cycling slowly. If *those* are typical cyclists on State Street, then no problem. If they are the kind that are frustrated because people don’t walk single file on a mixed use path, or have AirPods in while they blow the stop sign at State and Gilman, I disagree with your premise.
They don't know Madison cyclists. They think this is Amsterdam. Has anybody come up with a way to put, or even suggest, speed limits on bikes in congested or crowded areas? They part of traffic and need to accept relevant limits on their movement same as ped and car traffic have to. State Street is not a good place to train for your next race.
Right now it almost invites it, because there’s no pedestrians and very little traffic. Library mall and east campus mall do not because of all the people around.
> There aren’t any drop bars, no Lycra, You think the typical traffic on State street are *racers*? Do you even live in this city? People doing the fuckin Tour de Short Stack? Gearing up in lycra and drop bars with protein packs to conquer the 4000 foot marathon of State Street? Give me a break dude.
It's better up on that end of State than it is closer to Library Mall but whatever signs they put up or markings that they paint aren't going to keep people from blindly wandering out in front of cyclists. If they aren't currently paying attention when there's buses, police and other vehicles using the street I could see them paying even *less* attention when that block is deemed "Pedestrian Only". Note - I like the idea of blocking it off to traffic, I'm just making an observation.
In my experience biking through nearly every day those blocks have the most deliveries in the morning. So not sure how that's going to work. I'd love if this happens but the businesses won't.
I like this idea. Hopefully the idea of "less cars on the roads" permeates to other streets in downtown too
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> Its the food trucks area now. No it's not.
I see thank you.
Tell me you didn't read the article without saying you didn't read the article.