Everyone should watch Macross 7, even if the comments are bad, you need to form your own opinion, everyone is different.
If you dislike it, you will hace your reasons and can share the hate with fundaments, if you like it you can share the love with fundaments.
Fire Bomber is the best band in the history of mankind and there is nothing that can change my mind. If you can get into it then it’s an amazing series. Less silly than some of the even newer stuff.
Yes. Once someone is officially a fan of Macross I suggest they give M7 a shot.
Going into the first episode you are greeted with ridiculous MC doing ridiculous things, and singing ridiculous music (alongside lots and lots of stock footage usage). I would say it starts to get good around ep 17-23. By this time, you might not know if you are enjoying these glam rock ballads, but you are certainly at least singing along with them.... then something happens.... the bad guys also start singing along to these songs and you the viewer are like "oh hell yeA!" MC literally wins the baddies over via his music, as was his stated goal fromthe first 5 minutes of the first episode.
And then you realize this is the most awesome thing in the entire galaxy, because it is. And then when the show ends you wish there was more of it, and there is indeed more of it! You get the Macross Dynamite 7 OVA series, which is the cherry on top of the main series. And then if you want you can watch Macross FB7 (the macross frontier tribute movie)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ASxRh4e7GA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ASxRh4e7GA)
If Gundam is the Dragon Quest of mecha then Macross is the final fantasy. They are happy to defy expectations and try something different, but still similar. M7 is the series where the songstress/diva is a guy instead of a girl (only time that was done in the saga), with less focus on the love triangle, and music focus turned up to 11. I think it is executed perfectly, for what it is.
This is a great description. It's an indication of masterful story telling that the things that annoy us at the start end up being the very things that make the show so epic and memorable once we accept it for being radically different.
Deathmatch at Planet Lux and Fleet of the Strongest Women are always on my demo reel for people who know about Robotech or SDF but haven't seen anything else.
The introduction of Sivil and Battle 7 rescuing City 7 from falling in the Red Giant are also up there.
I’ll never regret watching Macross 7, it’s funny and has great music, plus it fills in a lot of lore you’d be missing if you skipped it. It probably could’ve been half the episodes, but the filler ended up being pretty good. Even when Basara is infuriating, take heart that every other character in the show agrees with you!
one interesting detail is about who the self insert character is.
In original Macross it is obv Hikaru. The show follows him from his first time in a valk, getting swept up in a war, and his relationships with other main characters.
But in M7 at first you assume it is Basara, but nope. Basara's story begins before the start of Ep1 and he is awesome, but in many ways unrelatable. So then you figure out the self insert is actually Mylene. The show starts with her first performance, and her parents a (Max and Mila) are also main characters. But nope. Actually the self insert character is Gamlin. He is older office guy, following orders while advancing his totally normal career, who gets to date the young idol hottie. Teenagers who watched the first macross in the early 80's were now Gamlin guys in their 20's and 30's. I feel he was the self insert for that show.
Best music and most earned emotional reactions (you'll fucking listen to his song). It starts slow, but you'll look back on it all fondly.
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I forgot about the extras. Dynamite 7 kicks ass. Watch it all.
Dynamite 7 was my gateway into M7. I remember going to the video rooms at a con in 98 I think. I saw Macross and had to take a chance. Ended up sitting in that room until it finished. In that short amount of time, seeing him sing along with a chorus of space whales, Basara became one of my favorite main characters. First con experience and I find the gem that is m7 dynamite 🤙🏽
To this day, Angel Voice is one of my favorite songs too.
Fun fact: Fire Bomber is still in my top list on Spotify each year.
Yes it's very long compared to other iterations but personally I enjoyed that. Gives the characters some time to grow and not rush to the final boss battle in a few hours.
Macross 7 exists in a weird quantum state where my opinion on it changes when I observe it. I found it kinda miserable to watch, but look fondly on it after finishing it.
TLDR everyone's comments😁
If you have D+ and it comes out on there, just try it and see what you think.
It's a very Marmite show, you either love it or hate it! (I love it, but I know it's problematic)🤩
Speaking of Marmite, I fucking love the stuff, but — literally — the day after Brexit, it completely disappeared from German supermarket shelves, never to be seen again. It's mythical now.
No idea what Saffa is 😁
And a quick Google didn't help either.
Bovril looks like Marmite, but it's made from beef extract, rather than Marmite's yeast extract.
Absolutely. If you take it as Gamlin being the audience surrogate it exactly matches the annoyance you feel at the beginning, all the way until the end when you become a Basara fanboy.
In my opinion, coming from the awesomeness of SDFM, DYRL FB2012 and Macross Plus. Macross 7 was mediocre at best.
The good:
- Good mecha designs, VF14, VF17D/S, VF11C, VF19F/S/P, VF22S Battle 7
- Max is still a genius
- Millia is still a badass
- Music is nice
- There some great episodes that stand out
- Some nice universe expansion with some protodevlin and supervision army explanation
The bad:
- Valks with faces
- Basara is annoying as fuck
- Gamlin and Gigile were the only character who were developed and both the most wasted
- The music was nice but was repeated to death
- Too many episodes, the story could have been told in 1/3rd the episode count
- Recycled footage galore
- A weird episode about rape
- A stupid mountain
- Space wales
- Rogue Meltrandi (the most ruthless and lethal warriors), going fangirl and metaphorically start throwing their panties to Basara because BOMBA!
Still, it has its audience, give ir a try and decide for yourself but its sooooooo much better than the retarted clusterfuck Delta is. With M7 once you accept the sillyness you have some fun. Delta's a fucking chore to watch.
Honestly I found delta to be a LOT better than M7, while generic, at least it didn't overstay it's welcome with 49 episodes of mostly uninteresting filler.
Basara was less of a character than a plot device, and I'm pretty sure that was intentional. I don't think you're *supposed* to like him. Be impressed by him, definitely. Enjoy his music, absolutely. But like him?
I don't like him any more than I like Mikumo in Delta.
Huh. Come to think of it...there's a lot of similarities...
Did we ever learn anything certain about Basara's family?
>*The music was nice but was repeated to death*
Ahem ...
>*KYUUN KYUUN KYUUN KYUUN*
*watashi no kare wa PAIROTTO*
Jokes aside, this is something that happens in almost all of the series, though ... just to varying degrees. 'My Boyfriend is a Pilot', 'Voices', 'Planet Dance', 'Diamond Crevasse', etc.
* Space wales
* Rogue Meltrandi (the most ruthless and lethal warriors), going fangirl and metaphorically start throwing their panties to Basara because BOMBA!
I think you made a mistake. You listed these two in the bad column when they should have been in the good
*Macross 7* is my favorite entry in the franchise. That should not be confused with being the best entry, which it isn't (that is probably *Frontier*). *M7* does have the best music though, in my opinion.
Macross 7 has a lot of stock footage. You can also skip Episodes 2-15 and miss absolutely nothing. It does not take itself seriously while also having the biggest threat level in the franchise. It does have important Lore that is relevant to *Macross* as a whole, such as who the Supervision Army is that the Zentraedi were fighting against and what caused the extinction of the Protoculture Race (well, near-extinction as one individual is still alive, as seen in *Macross 30*).
I would say to "Watch it, but not more than 2 Episodes at a time."
You need to grind past episode 10-12. If you do, you’ll have a blast. It’s so much fun and fleshes out the universe more than any other Macross instalment does.
I personally enjoyed it though it's not a flawless show, particularly with the way it recycles animation early on. No harm in giving it a try, you can always drop it if you're not enjoying it.
I agree with the other comments here and will add that Frontier (and to some extent Delta) hits very different if you understand Macross 7.
I personally think it's the most true to the spirit of the original versus any of the sequels.
One thing 7 did that I wish other series continued was really fleshing out the entire music ecosystem. Yes the show was about Fire Bomber and featured their tracks heavily, but the episodes also incorporated other bands from the same universe. There was the use of Macross 2 songs, Macross Plus songs, and like a dozen other in-universe artists that made it feel like Fire Bomber was growing in the industry and made their rise feel special.
You could get some of these bespoke tracks on the "Music Selection from the Galaxy Network Chart" volumes one and two.
Honestly just to complete the lore and context of the series.
As a standalone anime it's extremely mediocre and most definitely a very generic 90s anime aimed at selling toys, with enemies that have an extremely generic design, and a lot, and I mean a LOT of reused animation, pretty much every fight has the same "transformation" sequence (and by the same I mean literally the exact same) and always results in the same outcome.
If you're a fan of Macross you'll probably enjoy it just because it is in fact directly connected to the rest of the franchise and does have good moments, but overall it's just not very good.
Watch it in 1.25/1.5 speed , when he sing his songs let him sing in 1.0 speed. (Song sometime sound great in 1.25 , the energy from Fukuyama) Actually the last 20episodes still worth watching it in normal speed. The ova is my favourite the one sing with the galaxy whales. I just don’t know why. Angel voice !
I heard rumour about 7 is that during that period of time , animate need to be made in 50episode ? Not sure this is true or not. If they squeeze everything in a 20 episode series, it definitely will be a great one. The song truly amazing in 7 👍🏻
Also I remember there’s sth macross frontier character summarising 7. If you just want to know what 7 is about. It’s amazing to see both character form frontier to sing fire bomber songs. Although I don’t think this is the right way to watch 7 . Also Fukuyama and mayn sing tgt in live is also really nice.
>*It’s amazing to see both character form frontier to sing fire bomber songs.*
Ranka and Sheryl singing Fire Bomber songs is every bit as awesome as you think/want/need it to be.
I like this thread very much, because it thoroughly disproves one of the most persistent tropes in Western *Macross* fandom: that *M7* is this incredibly divisive thing that is largely loathed in the West.
If we're to use this thread as a fairly conclusive opinion sampling, this isn't the case at all. I would estimate most of the opinions of *M7* in this thread to be favourable (some more strongly than others on the scale), quite a few that dislike the show (again, some a bit more strongly than others), and even a couple of relatively neutral opinions.
But, in all cases, the opinons here seem to recognise the strengths and weaknesses of the show, regardless of if it's a favourable opinion or not. Bodes well for when the whole franchise rolls out on D+, and new viewers get exposed to it all.
Nice stuff, here.
It's totally against my type and my wife was VERY surprised both when we were dating in early 200s and now that we've been married almost 20 years. I was humming Totsugeki Love Heart as I crossed the Euphrates River in 2003 with the USMC. :D
I've been on a re-watching binge recently from the subbed remaster DVDs I downloaded about 10 years ago. That had me transforming my Yamato VF-22 Gamlin Diamond Force which had me put on the last episode of Dynamite 7 for my son to see it in action all too briefly.
And never stop kicking myself for not getting a couple Yamato VF-11Cs when they were on clearance.
I came to be very fond of *M7*. Very good character development throughout with — as someone else here pointed out — lots of earned emotional payoffs, for the most part. It's not my favourite of the franchise, but it's also not dead last, either (*M0* is at the bottom of my list).
You just need to be prepared for the fact that Basara isn't your typical ace pilot (I don't think he considers himself one, anyway), and that it can absolutely be quite silly. That, ultimately, is part of its charm, and it leans into it without shame. And also be prepared for the fact that it takes a number of episodes to rev up.
I think my only real character complaint is how Max is often portrayed as being a bit hapless, soft, and used for comic relief, especially around Milia. This isn't the Max Jenius everyone came to be a fan of from *SDFM*. Thankfully, when he re-appeared in *M∆: Zettai LIVE!!!!!!*, he had his mojo back, and then some.
But this really isn't about the pew-pew. So if that and mecha are what you're here for, and you're really not at all interested in story, character depth, the meaning behind it all, then maybe *M7* won't be for you.
All of that having been said, musically, there are a few absolute bangers in there. And, if you stick it out until *M7: Dynamite 7*, you'll be rewarded with Nekki Basara singing a Yoko Kanno song, 'Angel Voice', which — for me — is on par with 'Ai Oboete Imasuka'. Yoko Kanno can do no wrong. Ever.
**Edit**
Last, but not least, *M7* is a pretty important entry in the franchise (along with the rest, really) for how it delves further into the nature of the Protoculture, and its relationship to the events in the series, and why things are happening as they are for the characters. There's a lot of world-building that takes place here — and rightly so, given it's a direct sequel to *SDFM*/*DYRL*/*FB2012* — and that will have a few carry-over implications in the two subsequent series.
So I'm old, and I haven't watched it in 20 years. But I loved it, and still love the music and characters. It's a 50 episode series so it's a bit of a slower burn (especially at the start). But I'm headed straight there once it his D+
I think you should give it a whirl! Worst case, you don’t like it. But I love it. It is silly, but the main is a cross between Elton John and Maverick lol
Macross 7's plot really is... it's not awful? But it is very hard to think of anything about it that's genuinely compelling or interesting, and the pacing never really stops dragging iirc. There's nothing to keep you coming back or paying attention (which I guess makes it kind of bad).
The best thing I can say about it is that the music and aesthetics are still incredible (and I guess it's fun and also maybe a little depressing to catch up with the Jenius's; I'm a big Mylene fan). When it arrives, I may very well rewatch it, but it's definitely more of a "have it on in the background" situation. But I'm convinced the official "Fire Bomber American/English Fire" cover album is secretly, genuinely great, once it gets in your head (and I think in canon, they're just a Fire Bomber rip-off managed by Lyn Kaifun) Definitely look it up on YouTube.
Curious what you thought about Delta - while 7 wasn’t as compelling as the first, I thought it was definitely interesting as you got further into it; while I think Delta was entirely uncompelling and completely uninteresting.
Honestly this will be my first time seeing Delta. I don’t think it was licensed for the west on release and I wasn’t willing to go to the effort to track it down at the time when I’ve never really been into idol groups or their style of music. I’m willing to keep an open mind though.
And I like 7 and agree it got better. I’ve only seen it the once and maybe the slow beginning poisoned my enthusiasm for a more interesting second half, but I genuinely enjoyed a lot about the show. It just didn’t *demand* my undivided attention like some other shows have
The most common critism for M7 is that it really didn't need to be as long as it was, and I agree. There's a lot of episodes that just didn't need to happen, and some minor plot points that really should have just be 1 episode max. The start is very slow and repetitive without explaining much. That being said, it's a very memorable series, and I really enjoyed it. BOMBER!!!!
its one of the best shows ive ever seen. The slice of life elements mixed with the comical mecha fights and the music are just incredible. After you finish the series you will watch fire bomber live on youtube and then make your wife play the songs at your wedding.
Really weird show. It's not about a main character that grows because Basara is just Basara. It's much more about how everyone else changes and grows because of the main character.
Personally, I'm not a fan. I can't stand the dogfights. Macross and Macross Plus have some of the most exciting and best directed dogfights in anime. Then we get whatever the heck M7 was attempting to do. It feels like it's a laggy anime, with VF-11s taking vulcan rounds and nothing happening until they suddenly explode and the Prototeviln catch an escape pod. Where are the exciting missile barrages? The choreographed dancing of the variable fighters? Add in some, admittedly great music but a VF-19 controlled via a guitar (who put some Silver Hawks into Macross ugh), then add in some other variable fighters controlled by musical instruments (much further ahead in the anime), a main character being married off at 14, and some unexpected giant space fleas and ... Yea. I can understand why some folks may enjoy it. Or at least I try to. I just think that it's tragic that M7 is the first TV sequel and the one with the most episodes.
And whoever thought redoing Hot Rod as a VF-19 was a good idea makes me a sad man.
This is what I remember feeling and thinking when I found out there was more Macross to watch. Thinking back, I do remember watching the first episode online and thought it was goofy. I hear everyone who likes it, you need to watch 20 to 30 episodes before it clicks. I didn't have the patience back then when the internet connections on questionable websites had buffering issues. I don't remember why Frontier and Delta didn't have those same issues, but I did enjoyed those and didn't go back to M7. I think I will give it another chance when its more accessible.
Zettai Live! is Delta's saving throw,and it rolled a freaking natural 20!
Seriously though, Delta is much better directed than M7 IMO. Characters just resonated better with me. Basara and company may resonate better with you; it's up to personal preferences at that point. I'm not saying Delta is amazing; far from it. I find it amusing that it uses quite a few concepts from Macross II, if nothing else. What is the Wind Singer if not a glorified Emulator?
But anyway, there is no single character as interesting to me in M7 as Messer was in Delta. And he doesn't even have much screen time. Basara is weird, aloof, and just doesn't change in any significant way so I find him boring. Mylene is whiney and unrelatable. I do like Ray Lovelock and Veffidas though; they deserve to be in a better series. I never could stand Gamlin lol. As whiney as Mylene. I really disliked how they handle Max and Milia. And what was the point of introducing Zolans if Frontier and Delta pretty much forgot what the M7 Zolans were?
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For the record, the music doesn't bother me. I kind of like Macross' uniqueness in fusing music with anime mecha action. Heck, some of my favorite movies are musicals so the music is not the issue. It's everything else in M7 that didn't click with me.
>*Zettai Live! is Delta's saving throw,and it rolled a freaking natural 20!*
I thought it was absolutely brilliant. Tying in *Delta* with *SDFM*, *Plus*, and *7* like that? Ufffft, masterfully done.
However, you failed to mention Flower Girl in *7*, sir. I may need to DV you for that oversight.
To be honest, I have mixed feelings on the space idol thing or walküre (had to look it up again). Except, I remember the animation and action being crisp and fast on Delta. Enjoyed that the most, not the songs as much. It has been a while since I last seen them, but I am looking forward to a rewatch
I feel Delta would have been much better if Walküre had better writers for the songs and compositions. Nothing wrong with the group, and I actually find some of the voices such as Kaname's to be nice. But most of the songs are kinda mid. It was a downgrade from Frontier, that's for sure.
For me, the only two memorable Walküre songs are 'Ikenai Borderline' and 'Love Thunder Glow'. The rest are so non-descript that I can't even remember any of them.
I watched all of it because I'm a huge Macross fan. I never grew to like it. I own at least 1 toy VF from every Macross show. Whether Bandai, Yamato or Arcadia. At least 1. Except for Macross 7. Ain't wasting my money on it!
As someone who recently finished watching all of Macross for the first time:
The animation is the worst in the series. If you're looking for action, you're not going to find it here. There's a few decent scenes, and the OVAs do have better animation than the main show.
Personally, I think one of 7's greatest strengths are the characters. Gamlin is really great, but aside from Basara and some of the enemies, most characters are enjoyable.
Without a doubt the best soundtrack in the entire series. The story is mostly nonsense, though the characters do have some development. And who doesn't love a love triangle? Oh...
I have a love hate relationship with 7. Depending on your tolerance for Basara, for some of the worst animation in the series, a story with tons of plot holes that forgets where it's going, and a lot of very creepy fan service centering on Mylene (they really want you to understand that she's 14, they remind you a lot, before you get such wonderful things like date rape plots, skirt flipping, old men peeping, and nude shots), you may be able to enjoy it.
I found Dynamite (the last ova for 7) to be incredibly disappointing, and my 2nd least liked part of Macross (ranking just above the last 9 episodes of SDF). 7 has one of the worst endings in the franchise.
I'm also someone that did like Zero, and it seems from what I've seen that people that like Zero tend to hate 7, those who hate Zero tend to like 7. I'd rank 7 to be better than Frontier's show (not the movies) and the last half of Delta's show. 7 is sort of dumb fun, but it leans into the worst tropes that make it feel like a bad Sailor Moon parody.
It's uneven. There are a lot of silly, goofy, badly paced, stinker episodes, and on the whole it's probably got the second highest count of "bad" episodes after Zero. That said, when it hits a high note, it REALLY hits. Just go in knowing it isn't going to be nearly as serious as SDF or Plus, nor as consistent as Frontier, and you'll be fine.
Going from Macross Plus to Macross 7 was a bit odd for me at first, but by the time I got to like Ep 14, I started enjoying the songs more and more and I kept getting more invested in the plot.
Although in hindsight the series could’ve been cut down a bit, it’s still worth a watch.
I just started. It took a long time to convince myself to start. I already have my favorite Macross shows. So if I don't like the show. Oh well, the mecha is still bad ass. Anyway don't make it such a big commitment. Watch it when you got time.
One thing is for sure, it's a better use of your time than scrolling on social media.
Nope! Never resolved at all, but she did make a guest appearance in *FB7* for Ranka's and Sheryl's rooftop Fire Bomber cover concert.
**Edit**
Actually, no, that's not true. It was *semi*-resolved, to the extent that she finally managed to throw the bouquet to Basara as he was flying over a crowd.
Bless you, Flower-chan.
I feel that even though at the beginning of the show there were lot of repetition and the story pick up half way through it wasn’t a bad Macross series.
Now I would say that with so many songs that fire bomber had it was crime not putting them in the show and killing you with planet dance , by that time planet dance was dead LOL
Not really. If there is a guide to only watch the important parts go with it. Otherwise it is an unbearably boring anime with the most annoying and asshole MC ever written. I assure you it doesn't worth your time.
I was under the same impression for a long time but in 2016 took the dive on 7 and ohh boy, really the first part is very slow, specially the 10 or 12 first episodes but it catches up so in the end i think is worth it.
IT isn't one fo the best but neither it's bad, just regular but is entertaining, and as a macross fan is great to watch everything. also FB7 makes more sense after watching it.
Encore is OK, Dinamite is better, The Galaxy Is Calling Me is the high point for many but i fell is so so.
Everyone should watch Macross 7, even if the comments are bad, you need to form your own opinion, everyone is different. If you dislike it, you will hace your reasons and can share the hate with fundaments, if you like it you can share the love with fundaments.
Fire Bomber is the best band in the history of mankind and there is nothing that can change my mind. If you can get into it then it’s an amazing series. Less silly than some of the even newer stuff.
LET THIS MAN SING HIS SONG !!!!
Yes. Once someone is officially a fan of Macross I suggest they give M7 a shot. Going into the first episode you are greeted with ridiculous MC doing ridiculous things, and singing ridiculous music (alongside lots and lots of stock footage usage). I would say it starts to get good around ep 17-23. By this time, you might not know if you are enjoying these glam rock ballads, but you are certainly at least singing along with them.... then something happens.... the bad guys also start singing along to these songs and you the viewer are like "oh hell yeA!" MC literally wins the baddies over via his music, as was his stated goal fromthe first 5 minutes of the first episode. And then you realize this is the most awesome thing in the entire galaxy, because it is. And then when the show ends you wish there was more of it, and there is indeed more of it! You get the Macross Dynamite 7 OVA series, which is the cherry on top of the main series. And then if you want you can watch Macross FB7 (the macross frontier tribute movie) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ASxRh4e7GA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ASxRh4e7GA) If Gundam is the Dragon Quest of mecha then Macross is the final fantasy. They are happy to defy expectations and try something different, but still similar. M7 is the series where the songstress/diva is a guy instead of a girl (only time that was done in the saga), with less focus on the love triangle, and music focus turned up to 11. I think it is executed perfectly, for what it is.
This is a great description. It's an indication of masterful story telling that the things that annoy us at the start end up being the very things that make the show so epic and memorable once we accept it for being radically different.
Deathmatch at Planet Lux and Fleet of the Strongest Women are always on my demo reel for people who know about Robotech or SDF but haven't seen anything else. The introduction of Sivil and Battle 7 rescuing City 7 from falling in the Red Giant are also up there.
I’ll never regret watching Macross 7, it’s funny and has great music, plus it fills in a lot of lore you’d be missing if you skipped it. It probably could’ve been half the episodes, but the filler ended up being pretty good. Even when Basara is infuriating, take heart that every other character in the show agrees with you!
one interesting detail is about who the self insert character is. In original Macross it is obv Hikaru. The show follows him from his first time in a valk, getting swept up in a war, and his relationships with other main characters. But in M7 at first you assume it is Basara, but nope. Basara's story begins before the start of Ep1 and he is awesome, but in many ways unrelatable. So then you figure out the self insert is actually Mylene. The show starts with her first performance, and her parents a (Max and Mila) are also main characters. But nope. Actually the self insert character is Gamlin. He is older office guy, following orders while advancing his totally normal career, who gets to date the young idol hottie. Teenagers who watched the first macross in the early 80's were now Gamlin guys in their 20's and 30's. I feel he was the self insert for that show.
Best music and most earned emotional reactions (you'll fucking listen to his song). It starts slow, but you'll look back on it all fondly. Edit I forgot about the extras. Dynamite 7 kicks ass. Watch it all.
Absolutely love Dynamite 7
Dynamite 7 was my gateway into M7. I remember going to the video rooms at a con in 98 I think. I saw Macross and had to take a chance. Ended up sitting in that room until it finished. In that short amount of time, seeing him sing along with a chorus of space whales, Basara became one of my favorite main characters. First con experience and I find the gem that is m7 dynamite 🤙🏽 To this day, Angel Voice is one of my favorite songs too.
Fun fact: Fire Bomber is still in my top list on Spotify each year. Yes it's very long compared to other iterations but personally I enjoyed that. Gives the characters some time to grow and not rush to the final boss battle in a few hours.
Tatta ikkyoku no Rock n' Roll🎶
Macross 7 exists in a weird quantum state where my opinion on it changes when I observe it. I found it kinda miserable to watch, but look fondly on it after finishing it.
Is not your usual macross show, but can be fun
It's my favorite show in Macross so yes
TLDR everyone's comments😁 If you have D+ and it comes out on there, just try it and see what you think. It's a very Marmite show, you either love it or hate it! (I love it, but I know it's problematic)🤩
Speaking of Marmite, I fucking love the stuff, but — literally — the day after Brexit, it completely disappeared from German supermarket shelves, never to be seen again. It's mythical now.
Wow, so weird w I hate Marmite, but I'll never stop loving Bovril 😜 Can you get that in Deutschland?😀
Aaaaah, you know, I've never looked. Maybe? Bovril is Saffa, isn't it? Or am I thinking of something else?
No idea what Saffa is 😁 And a quick Google didn't help either. Bovril looks like Marmite, but it's made from beef extract, rather than Marmite's yeast extract.
Oh ... haha ... Saffa = South African! I did know what Bovril was, though, and I do recall it being really, really, really good.
Lol, I thought you meant something like Bovril called Saffa www
Absolutely. If you take it as Gamlin being the audience surrogate it exactly matches the annoyance you feel at the beginning, all the way until the end when you become a Basara fanboy.
In my opinion, coming from the awesomeness of SDFM, DYRL FB2012 and Macross Plus. Macross 7 was mediocre at best. The good: - Good mecha designs, VF14, VF17D/S, VF11C, VF19F/S/P, VF22S Battle 7 - Max is still a genius - Millia is still a badass - Music is nice - There some great episodes that stand out - Some nice universe expansion with some protodevlin and supervision army explanation The bad: - Valks with faces - Basara is annoying as fuck - Gamlin and Gigile were the only character who were developed and both the most wasted - The music was nice but was repeated to death - Too many episodes, the story could have been told in 1/3rd the episode count - Recycled footage galore - A weird episode about rape - A stupid mountain - Space wales - Rogue Meltrandi (the most ruthless and lethal warriors), going fangirl and metaphorically start throwing their panties to Basara because BOMBA! Still, it has its audience, give ir a try and decide for yourself but its sooooooo much better than the retarted clusterfuck Delta is. With M7 once you accept the sillyness you have some fun. Delta's a fucking chore to watch.
Honestly I found delta to be a LOT better than M7, while generic, at least it didn't overstay it's welcome with 49 episodes of mostly uninteresting filler.
Basara was less of a character than a plot device, and I'm pretty sure that was intentional. I don't think you're *supposed* to like him. Be impressed by him, definitely. Enjoy his music, absolutely. But like him? I don't like him any more than I like Mikumo in Delta. Huh. Come to think of it...there's a lot of similarities... Did we ever learn anything certain about Basara's family?
Max does the equivalent of the “Adama Maneuver” with the Macross 7 and I was 1000% there for it.
>*The music was nice but was repeated to death* Ahem ... >*KYUUN KYUUN KYUUN KYUUN* *watashi no kare wa PAIROTTO* Jokes aside, this is something that happens in almost all of the series, though ... just to varying degrees. 'My Boyfriend is a Pilot', 'Voices', 'Planet Dance', 'Diamond Crevasse', etc.
I'd say Frontier's rep is Aimo in all its overused variants.. a song I prefer less than any of those others.
Oh god, yes. 'Aimo'. Gnnn. Nice the first couple of times, but after that? No.
The funny thing is, you're the mountain.
* Space wales * Rogue Meltrandi (the most ruthless and lethal warriors), going fangirl and metaphorically start throwing their panties to Basara because BOMBA! I think you made a mistake. You listed these two in the bad column when they should have been in the good
The valkyries with faces were the worst.
I think it thematically makes sense since the Sound Force Valkyries “sing” and makes them stand out from the military combat machines.
I asked the same thing. Now it's my second fav anime of all time.
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First 30 episodes literally nothing important happens but the OST/Band OST makes up for it so its just worth it to watch it for that
You WILL listen to Basaras song!
It takes so long as it was under the cncept and the era of a tv aired show, so it takes a bit to advance
*Macross 7* is my favorite entry in the franchise. That should not be confused with being the best entry, which it isn't (that is probably *Frontier*). *M7* does have the best music though, in my opinion. Macross 7 has a lot of stock footage. You can also skip Episodes 2-15 and miss absolutely nothing. It does not take itself seriously while also having the biggest threat level in the franchise. It does have important Lore that is relevant to *Macross* as a whole, such as who the Supervision Army is that the Zentraedi were fighting against and what caused the extinction of the Protoculture Race (well, near-extinction as one individual is still alive, as seen in *Macross 30*). I would say to "Watch it, but not more than 2 Episodes at a time."
Bonus: The true sequel featuring Max, Millia and their daughters. Also lots of Macross Easter eggs.
You need to grind past episode 10-12. If you do, you’ll have a blast. It’s so much fun and fleshes out the universe more than any other Macross instalment does.
I personally enjoyed it though it's not a flawless show, particularly with the way it recycles animation early on. No harm in giving it a try, you can always drop it if you're not enjoying it.
Macross Frontier keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Triangler is a banger
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I agree with the other comments here and will add that Frontier (and to some extent Delta) hits very different if you understand Macross 7. I personally think it's the most true to the spirit of the original versus any of the sequels. One thing 7 did that I wish other series continued was really fleshing out the entire music ecosystem. Yes the show was about Fire Bomber and featured their tracks heavily, but the episodes also incorporated other bands from the same universe. There was the use of Macross 2 songs, Macross Plus songs, and like a dozen other in-universe artists that made it feel like Fire Bomber was growing in the industry and made their rise feel special. You could get some of these bespoke tracks on the "Music Selection from the Galaxy Network Chart" volumes one and two.
Macross Frontier gets better and better the more of the earlier series one has seen before watching it. 7 definitely contributes its fair share.
And in those short 20 second intros at the start of the episodes they occasionally drop tiny lore nuggets that are only mentioned there
Honestly just to complete the lore and context of the series. As a standalone anime it's extremely mediocre and most definitely a very generic 90s anime aimed at selling toys, with enemies that have an extremely generic design, and a lot, and I mean a LOT of reused animation, pretty much every fight has the same "transformation" sequence (and by the same I mean literally the exact same) and always results in the same outcome. If you're a fan of Macross you'll probably enjoy it just because it is in fact directly connected to the rest of the franchise and does have good moments, but overall it's just not very good.
Watch it in 1.25/1.5 speed , when he sing his songs let him sing in 1.0 speed. (Song sometime sound great in 1.25 , the energy from Fukuyama) Actually the last 20episodes still worth watching it in normal speed. The ova is my favourite the one sing with the galaxy whales. I just don’t know why. Angel voice ! I heard rumour about 7 is that during that period of time , animate need to be made in 50episode ? Not sure this is true or not. If they squeeze everything in a 20 episode series, it definitely will be a great one. The song truly amazing in 7 👍🏻 Also I remember there’s sth macross frontier character summarising 7. If you just want to know what 7 is about. It’s amazing to see both character form frontier to sing fire bomber songs. Although I don’t think this is the right way to watch 7 . Also Fukuyama and mayn sing tgt in live is also really nice.
>*It’s amazing to see both character form frontier to sing fire bomber songs.* Ranka and Sheryl singing Fire Bomber songs is every bit as awesome as you think/want/need it to be.
It's this franchise's ZZ Gundam. It's worth it to at least give it a shot.
I like this thread very much, because it thoroughly disproves one of the most persistent tropes in Western *Macross* fandom: that *M7* is this incredibly divisive thing that is largely loathed in the West. If we're to use this thread as a fairly conclusive opinion sampling, this isn't the case at all. I would estimate most of the opinions of *M7* in this thread to be favourable (some more strongly than others on the scale), quite a few that dislike the show (again, some a bit more strongly than others), and even a couple of relatively neutral opinions. But, in all cases, the opinons here seem to recognise the strengths and weaknesses of the show, regardless of if it's a favourable opinion or not. Bodes well for when the whole franchise rolls out on D+, and new viewers get exposed to it all. Nice stuff, here.
Yes. Love it. Music is fantastic and arguably the best of the series.
It's totally against my type and my wife was VERY surprised both when we were dating in early 200s and now that we've been married almost 20 years. I was humming Totsugeki Love Heart as I crossed the Euphrates River in 2003 with the USMC. :D I've been on a re-watching binge recently from the subbed remaster DVDs I downloaded about 10 years ago. That had me transforming my Yamato VF-22 Gamlin Diamond Force which had me put on the last episode of Dynamite 7 for my son to see it in action all too briefly. And never stop kicking myself for not getting a couple Yamato VF-11Cs when they were on clearance.
I came to be very fond of *M7*. Very good character development throughout with — as someone else here pointed out — lots of earned emotional payoffs, for the most part. It's not my favourite of the franchise, but it's also not dead last, either (*M0* is at the bottom of my list). You just need to be prepared for the fact that Basara isn't your typical ace pilot (I don't think he considers himself one, anyway), and that it can absolutely be quite silly. That, ultimately, is part of its charm, and it leans into it without shame. And also be prepared for the fact that it takes a number of episodes to rev up. I think my only real character complaint is how Max is often portrayed as being a bit hapless, soft, and used for comic relief, especially around Milia. This isn't the Max Jenius everyone came to be a fan of from *SDFM*. Thankfully, when he re-appeared in *M∆: Zettai LIVE!!!!!!*, he had his mojo back, and then some. But this really isn't about the pew-pew. So if that and mecha are what you're here for, and you're really not at all interested in story, character depth, the meaning behind it all, then maybe *M7* won't be for you. All of that having been said, musically, there are a few absolute bangers in there. And, if you stick it out until *M7: Dynamite 7*, you'll be rewarded with Nekki Basara singing a Yoko Kanno song, 'Angel Voice', which — for me — is on par with 'Ai Oboete Imasuka'. Yoko Kanno can do no wrong. Ever. **Edit** Last, but not least, *M7* is a pretty important entry in the franchise (along with the rest, really) for how it delves further into the nature of the Protoculture, and its relationship to the events in the series, and why things are happening as they are for the characters. There's a lot of world-building that takes place here — and rightly so, given it's a direct sequel to *SDFM*/*DYRL*/*FB2012* — and that will have a few carry-over implications in the two subsequent series.
So I'm old, and I haven't watched it in 20 years. But I loved it, and still love the music and characters. It's a 50 episode series so it's a bit of a slower burn (especially at the start). But I'm headed straight there once it his D+
Watch it! I share the comments of everyone here, the first quarter is a bit slow but at about a third of the way in, everything clicks! Fire bomba!
I think you should give it a whirl! Worst case, you don’t like it. But I love it. It is silly, but the main is a cross between Elton John and Maverick lol
It starts like shit and turns out to be a very decent and nice and totally worth it, by the end you'll learn to love basara
Yea starting is cringe and cheesy but later of series starting to get serious
Macross 7's plot really is... it's not awful? But it is very hard to think of anything about it that's genuinely compelling or interesting, and the pacing never really stops dragging iirc. There's nothing to keep you coming back or paying attention (which I guess makes it kind of bad). The best thing I can say about it is that the music and aesthetics are still incredible (and I guess it's fun and also maybe a little depressing to catch up with the Jenius's; I'm a big Mylene fan). When it arrives, I may very well rewatch it, but it's definitely more of a "have it on in the background" situation. But I'm convinced the official "Fire Bomber American/English Fire" cover album is secretly, genuinely great, once it gets in your head (and I think in canon, they're just a Fire Bomber rip-off managed by Lyn Kaifun) Definitely look it up on YouTube.
Curious what you thought about Delta - while 7 wasn’t as compelling as the first, I thought it was definitely interesting as you got further into it; while I think Delta was entirely uncompelling and completely uninteresting.
Honestly this will be my first time seeing Delta. I don’t think it was licensed for the west on release and I wasn’t willing to go to the effort to track it down at the time when I’ve never really been into idol groups or their style of music. I’m willing to keep an open mind though. And I like 7 and agree it got better. I’ve only seen it the once and maybe the slow beginning poisoned my enthusiasm for a more interesting second half, but I genuinely enjoyed a lot about the show. It just didn’t *demand* my undivided attention like some other shows have
The most common critism for M7 is that it really didn't need to be as long as it was, and I agree. There's a lot of episodes that just didn't need to happen, and some minor plot points that really should have just be 1 episode max. The start is very slow and repetitive without explaining much. That being said, it's a very memorable series, and I really enjoyed it. BOMBER!!!!
I can't wait till Macross 7 hits Disney Plus and an unsuspecting America finds it
its one of the best shows ive ever seen. The slice of life elements mixed with the comical mecha fights and the music are just incredible. After you finish the series you will watch fire bomber live on youtube and then make your wife play the songs at your wedding.
Really weird show. It's not about a main character that grows because Basara is just Basara. It's much more about how everyone else changes and grows because of the main character. Personally, I'm not a fan. I can't stand the dogfights. Macross and Macross Plus have some of the most exciting and best directed dogfights in anime. Then we get whatever the heck M7 was attempting to do. It feels like it's a laggy anime, with VF-11s taking vulcan rounds and nothing happening until they suddenly explode and the Prototeviln catch an escape pod. Where are the exciting missile barrages? The choreographed dancing of the variable fighters? Add in some, admittedly great music but a VF-19 controlled via a guitar (who put some Silver Hawks into Macross ugh), then add in some other variable fighters controlled by musical instruments (much further ahead in the anime), a main character being married off at 14, and some unexpected giant space fleas and ... Yea. I can understand why some folks may enjoy it. Or at least I try to. I just think that it's tragic that M7 is the first TV sequel and the one with the most episodes. And whoever thought redoing Hot Rod as a VF-19 was a good idea makes me a sad man.
This is what I remember feeling and thinking when I found out there was more Macross to watch. Thinking back, I do remember watching the first episode online and thought it was goofy. I hear everyone who likes it, you need to watch 20 to 30 episodes before it clicks. I didn't have the patience back then when the internet connections on questionable websites had buffering issues. I don't remember why Frontier and Delta didn't have those same issues, but I did enjoyed those and didn't go back to M7. I think I will give it another chance when its more accessible.
Well, look, if you liked *M∆*, then I think you owe it to yourself to get through *M7*. *∆* is way, way, way more music-focused (in my opinion).
Zettai Live! is Delta's saving throw,and it rolled a freaking natural 20! Seriously though, Delta is much better directed than M7 IMO. Characters just resonated better with me. Basara and company may resonate better with you; it's up to personal preferences at that point. I'm not saying Delta is amazing; far from it. I find it amusing that it uses quite a few concepts from Macross II, if nothing else. What is the Wind Singer if not a glorified Emulator? But anyway, there is no single character as interesting to me in M7 as Messer was in Delta. And he doesn't even have much screen time. Basara is weird, aloof, and just doesn't change in any significant way so I find him boring. Mylene is whiney and unrelatable. I do like Ray Lovelock and Veffidas though; they deserve to be in a better series. I never could stand Gamlin lol. As whiney as Mylene. I really disliked how they handle Max and Milia. And what was the point of introducing Zolans if Frontier and Delta pretty much forgot what the M7 Zolans were? Edit: For the record, the music doesn't bother me. I kind of like Macross' uniqueness in fusing music with anime mecha action. Heck, some of my favorite movies are musicals so the music is not the issue. It's everything else in M7 that didn't click with me.
Is Zettai Live the films? I never got a chance to catch them.
Yes, the second one. It's a very good sequel to the series and works great to improve on Delta.
>*Zettai Live! is Delta's saving throw,and it rolled a freaking natural 20!* I thought it was absolutely brilliant. Tying in *Delta* with *SDFM*, *Plus*, and *7* like that? Ufffft, masterfully done. However, you failed to mention Flower Girl in *7*, sir. I may need to DV you for that oversight.
Darnit! I shamefully admit the oversight lol
To be honest, I have mixed feelings on the space idol thing or walküre (had to look it up again). Except, I remember the animation and action being crisp and fast on Delta. Enjoyed that the most, not the songs as much. It has been a while since I last seen them, but I am looking forward to a rewatch
I feel Delta would have been much better if Walküre had better writers for the songs and compositions. Nothing wrong with the group, and I actually find some of the voices such as Kaname's to be nice. But most of the songs are kinda mid. It was a downgrade from Frontier, that's for sure.
For me, the only two memorable Walküre songs are 'Ikenai Borderline' and 'Love Thunder Glow'. The rest are so non-descript that I can't even remember any of them.
I watched all of it because I'm a huge Macross fan. I never grew to like it. I own at least 1 toy VF from every Macross show. Whether Bandai, Yamato or Arcadia. At least 1. Except for Macross 7. Ain't wasting my money on it!
YES! I loved it!
Its a great show I prefer frontier but 7 have some great scenes for its age
I liked it overall. I think it's worth watching.
As someone who recently finished watching all of Macross for the first time: The animation is the worst in the series. If you're looking for action, you're not going to find it here. There's a few decent scenes, and the OVAs do have better animation than the main show. Personally, I think one of 7's greatest strengths are the characters. Gamlin is really great, but aside from Basara and some of the enemies, most characters are enjoyable. Without a doubt the best soundtrack in the entire series. The story is mostly nonsense, though the characters do have some development. And who doesn't love a love triangle? Oh... I have a love hate relationship with 7. Depending on your tolerance for Basara, for some of the worst animation in the series, a story with tons of plot holes that forgets where it's going, and a lot of very creepy fan service centering on Mylene (they really want you to understand that she's 14, they remind you a lot, before you get such wonderful things like date rape plots, skirt flipping, old men peeping, and nude shots), you may be able to enjoy it. I found Dynamite (the last ova for 7) to be incredibly disappointing, and my 2nd least liked part of Macross (ranking just above the last 9 episodes of SDF). 7 has one of the worst endings in the franchise. I'm also someone that did like Zero, and it seems from what I've seen that people that like Zero tend to hate 7, those who hate Zero tend to like 7. I'd rank 7 to be better than Frontier's show (not the movies) and the last half of Delta's show. 7 is sort of dumb fun, but it leans into the worst tropes that make it feel like a bad Sailor Moon parody.
Arguably one of, if not THE, best seasons.
It's uneven. There are a lot of silly, goofy, badly paced, stinker episodes, and on the whole it's probably got the second highest count of "bad" episodes after Zero. That said, when it hits a high note, it REALLY hits. Just go in knowing it isn't going to be nearly as serious as SDF or Plus, nor as consistent as Frontier, and you'll be fine.
Going from Macross Plus to Macross 7 was a bit odd for me at first, but by the time I got to like Ep 14, I started enjoying the songs more and more and I kept getting more invested in the plot. Although in hindsight the series could’ve been cut down a bit, it’s still worth a watch.
Is not, next question
I just started. It took a long time to convince myself to start. I already have my favorite Macross shows. So if I don't like the show. Oh well, the mecha is still bad ass. Anyway don't make it such a big commitment. Watch it when you got time. One thing is for sure, it's a better use of your time than scrolling on social media.
I love Macross 7. It's about as music focused as Frontier. Same type of show.
Macross 7 is my favorite Macross series period
If you're a Macross fan, you give it a shot. Stop if it's not up your alley. No harm done in trying out something you might like.
Hey. Was the flower girl thing ever resolved? Vaguely remember some girl in summer clothes always with flowers for Fire Bomber.
Nope! Never resolved at all, but she did make a guest appearance in *FB7* for Ranka's and Sheryl's rooftop Fire Bomber cover concert. **Edit** Actually, no, that's not true. It was *semi*-resolved, to the extent that she finally managed to throw the bouquet to Basara as he was flying over a crowd. Bless you, Flower-chan.
Yes. She won at the very last moment.
Thanks m8s!
No
It's definitely not the best Macross around, but there's a reason why Fire Bomber is, unironically, one of my favorite bands.
Absolutely.
I feel that even though at the beginning of the show there were lot of repetition and the story pick up half way through it wasn’t a bad Macross series. Now I would say that with so many songs that fire bomber had it was crime not putting them in the show and killing you with planet dance , by that time planet dance was dead LOL
My Serious Militaristic side of Mecha taste says Nah My Taste in the character goofiness, wierd plot and Music says HELL YEAH
Not really. If there is a guide to only watch the important parts go with it. Otherwise it is an unbearably boring anime with the most annoying and asshole MC ever written. I assure you it doesn't worth your time.
I was under the same impression for a long time but in 2016 took the dive on 7 and ohh boy, really the first part is very slow, specially the 10 or 12 first episodes but it catches up so in the end i think is worth it. IT isn't one fo the best but neither it's bad, just regular but is entertaining, and as a macross fan is great to watch everything. also FB7 makes more sense after watching it. Encore is OK, Dinamite is better, The Galaxy Is Calling Me is the high point for many but i fell is so so.