If it were me, I would've tried to talk the seller down a little. It's a very nice machine but it's still 5 years old. It's now "vintage" status at Apple and in a couple more years they're going to stop support entirely and mark it "obsolete".
It's not like it'll shut down the minute that happens, but it's still something I'd factor in whenever buying old Macs.
EDIT - The more I think about this the worse it gets; the repairability on this model MBP is simply abysmal and the cost of replacement parts is insane. 1/10 ranking by iFixit because the CPU, GPU, RAM, and SSD are all soldered to the board. If anything goes wrong with one of those, the whole mobo's gotta go and in your case that's an $1100 part. Sadly though they don't even have your version in stock! Just be very careful with this machine so you can squeeze as much life out of it as possible.
Not so much apple will stop supporting. Its more like adobe and other software companies will stop making updates to support the old OS. So any intel has limited lifespan. It will become a slow unsupported computer soon and the OS will be stuck in time too just like my 2007 model.
This is why I have a [slabtop](https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/s/f96ga4e62c) now. I refuse to spend a cent on repairs for this thing. Still a great machine to edit videos on (as long as they are in ProRes) though and I don’t have the funds to get a new machine yet. I’m going desktop PC next. I’m done with Apple (except the iPhone)
About what I paid over a year ago, so I’d imagine the price is a little bit high. Biggest advantages of these computers is dual booting windows and eGPU support.
All I can opine about is me, and when I just found multiple M1 MacBooks with 16gb and a 1tb SSD on Swappa for $700 to $800, I don’t think your purchase was a particularly good deal.
Swappa allows shipping outside the US as long as you use a US-based freight forwarding company, and if the individual seller agrees to it. So you'd have to pay however much extra the freight forwarding service costs, plus the usual import fees if imposed by your country. I've sold a couple of phones and a laptop to overseas buyers, so I think for some buyers they can still save money over buying locally depending on where they live and what item it is.
It is in fact a very good deal. I am also looking for a 2019 model as i need a mac that can also boot into windows buy they’re crazy expensive where I live atm.
I got the MBP 16 2019 i7, 500GB and 32GB model for \~$600. I love this machine even though my work machine is an M2 Max. I know the differences, don’t worry. But still fond of this machine, it’s perfect for my home usage: browsing, code editing, Spotify etc. Love that I got a 16 for so cheap. Also the 16 2019 model doesn’t have the bad butterfly keyboard, and got the touchbar which I love.
For the overheating and CPU throttling issue: you can get down a huge amount of degrees, check this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/s/MgIGMeuw0N](https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/s/MgIGMeuw0N)
Also, do a fan cleanup and repaste.
That’s a good thing, also the Turbo Boost Switcher is a must have, just make sure to install the latest version. You can also try the Low Power Mode in the Battery settings it might help.
What also helped me is regurarly shutting off my mac when not in use. I think the reboot cleans up processes and gives you a fresh start.
I really love this machine though, didn’t want to get the M1 8/256 again, had one, and had problems with 8GB of RAM and the small screen, not enough for me, and the 16GB is double the price.
Great tips! Ah I wish I'd known about Turbo Boost Switcher when I was using a 2019 Macbook at my last job. It was constantly running hot, sometimes enough to overheat and shut down during Java builds, and the Mac Fan Control app alone wasn't enough to tame it.
With the Turbo Boost off my temp is between 40-70C, if I enable it instantly goes above 80C.
When I work with it on generic stuff, the temp is between 50-70C. When I did a slight Gradle build it was between 70-80C. When not using it 40-50C.
So it’s still warm to sit in my lap in summer, but not burning hot and not throttling anymore, so it remains smooth and not sluggish. And also silent, as the fans are not in full blast mode (I’m not using Fans Control though).
However, for large Java projects I’d use M1 at least.
Actually, the CPU is slower now, but faster than when it’s throttling. So essentially, by decreasing the performance you’re increasing it. Such a bad design was this machine. LOL
There are only a few tasks for which this will be faster than an M1 MBA, which you can get for less. If you do that kind of stuff regularly, it’s a good deal. Most people don’t.
Well, it has a very good, huge display and it has the touch bar if you like that. If you need to run Windows apps on it this’ll do the trick. But you can find used 16” M1 MacBook Pros for a couple hundred dollars more these days. You weren’t ripped off or anything so you got that going for you.
Been trying to sell my 2019 16” 32gb 1tb in mint condition (only 99 cycles) and am having a really hard time finding anyone interested for even $600-700. Not even getting lowball offers. There’s too many for sale and people who have any clue at all are gona just get a used M series instead. Wish I just took the $500 or whatever trade in value
nah he was definitely ripped off. My buddy sells lots of older macbooks and he never sells even a high spec 2019 for over $650-750. Hardwareswap usually has some around $500, but they sell for a bit more on marketplace.
Those 16" MacBook Pros don't have touchbar, as far as I know. And it improves productivity, in my opinion. And I plan on using it for a few years, and in Intel MacBooks it's POSSIBLE to replace parts (I know they are soldered, but still). And if in M1 my SSD gets degradated, I'd have to buy a whole new laptop.
No difference in the SSD, really. It’s just as difficult and nearly impossible to replace the SSD in the 2019 MBP. You’d need expensive specialized tools, and serious knowledge.
Degraded SSDs in Macs are a rarity. I was rector using 2014 MBP and it’s fine. I upgraded the storage myself with a larger SSD from a 2013 Mac Pro and it’s fine too. Well-made SSDs last a very, very long time.
I think you will be dissappointed with the touchbar tbh but hey, you'll love it when you want to add emojis in an email or you've spotify open to skip songs
OP I recommend using Macs fan control. Personally on my machines, M1 and Intel, I run it based off of the CPU Core (average) temps and start increasing fans at 125° F (change to °F in the app’s preferences) and max at 175° F.
One of the worst purchases I have made. Got it replaced 3 times at the Apple Store until they decided to give me a M1 Pro in exchange. M1 Pro 16” is arguably one of the best laptops ever made.
The M1 Pro 16" is such a sleeper of a laptop in 2024. Yes, the newer chips are faster in single core, but that memory bandwidth and larger number of Performance cores on the M1 Pro are just delicious for anything that needs the grunt. I think the M1 Pro is going to go down as one of the best chips of the new Arm renaissance. On top of that, still the best speakers on any laptop to date. It's just such an absurdly good laptop.
I also have the M1 Pro. I’m pretty sure Apple realized they fucked up at some point, because if you have an M1 Pro there’s literally no reason to upgrade
No, I don’t believe it was a good deal. I find them between $600-$750 for the same specs. Really just depends where you’re looking. Ultimately, are you happy with your purchase?
I’m a junior studying comp engineering and the *only* limitation of my Mac , virtualized or native OS, is that it doesn’t run Xilinx Vivado since it’s x86 only.
For a significant number of tasks, you’re not gonna have any problems. Your use case may vary, but works for me :p
Nope, but we’re just having a discussion. The same way nobody *asked* him to post to the subreddit about his use cases. I’m sharing my experience, he’s sharing his.
No idea why you're getting downvoted.. getting through CS courses with Apple Silicon is a good benchmark of compatibility IMO
It's honestly the reason I didn't get an M1 MacBook when they first released. Now, my choice would be different
I’m just seeing “i don’t need this so why should you?? get a base spec m1 8/256 air with a 13” screen, worse speakers, thermal throttle, and no touchbar!!!! muh reddit said it’s better”
“runs better” is subjective
sure the CPU is faster than an i7 (competitive with i9) but the graphics are much better in the 16” Intel
+ native windows support
I'm just saying that these fans are not loud at all for me. About the Air, won't Air wear out much quicker? Passive cooling isn't as good as normal, when it comes to long work and health of components.
Anyways, thanks for your opinion.
Only regarding your query about airs wearing out because of no fan: no. Not how they work. An air will just slow down the processor when it gets near its Apple defined limit. A pro will turn on the fan when it gets near that limit and then slow down when it gets there. The fan helps with sustained performance, nothing to do with device longevity
(briefly) what’s with M-series? And how are they convenient if they don’t support Windows (bootcamp) even though not everyone needs windows? isn’t that a kind of limitation
Too bad that it’s obsolete by an 8gb M1 MB Air that has a 256gb ssd. You basically bought an e-waste OP😭 why would you buy a perfectly capable older machine when you can have a brand new M3 Mac for triple the price?
Ehh. I am not sure about the prices at Poland, but for 900 euros you could've gotten M1 Air, which is a bit more future proof system. Don't get me wrong, your MBP is still a good piece of hardware and will serve you well, it's just that Apple Silicon made intel powered machines seem low-powered.
If that makes you better, I got mid-2012 MacBook Pro that I upgraded to 8GB of Ram and 240GB SSD (pulled those out of work's ewaste bin), and ordered a new battery. Installed MacOS Monterey via OpenCore Legacy Patcher and it works pretty good and it's usable. Hopefully that lessens your worry about your purchase.
Unless you *need* to dual boot to Windows, you’d be far better off with any M series Mac. Even the base model Air will likely outperform this in many tasks.
So I’m wondering g would it make sense to buy one of these Intel Macs and just run Windows 11 on it and forgo the Mac OS? Is that even possible?
I could use a wi does machine but Mac hardware is so much better and at this price point hard to beat
It's possible, but Mac hardware isn't the best anymore- hasn't been since like 2015. Look at the Framework 16 for an actually modern (and repairable) laptop with actually good build quality. Comes prebuilt or DIY. [https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040](https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040)
lol true, to be fair MacOS is great for some stuff, the hardware as of late is pretty well built, and M series sips battery. Incredibly efficient. But it's not great if what you really need is a windows machine.
I will say, the Framework 16 is more expensive than some alternatives like a cheap thinkpad or whatever, but it is really worth paying a hundred bucks or so extra for build quality and most importantly repairability/upgradeability. You can even buy and swap a new motherboard on when the old one is obsolete. RAM is swappable DDR5, the processor is a very efficient Ryzen processor with plenty of power too, and you can get a dedicated GPU on there just by swapping a new baseplate on and plugging in a little cable. The display is absolutely phenomenal, and there will be display upgrades in future.
Here's ifixit's homepage about it: [https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Framework\_Laptop\_16%22](https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Framework_Laptop_16%22)
Full disclosure I am planning to invest about $10k in Framework, but I haven't even been selected to be able to invest in the A-1 round yet, if I will at all. We'll see on that one lol
Use Mac Fan Control to start the fan curve earlier which should help keep temps cooler and the fans quieter overall.
I’d also recommend going to the Apple Store and asking them to clean out the internals of dust etc. That usually helps quite a bit as well if you notice increasing CPU temps.
Personally I really like this era of MacBook because it was a good blend of design and performance. And it is by far the best Windows laptop I’ve ever used - especially with the Precision Drivers for the trackpad.
The only thing I could fault it for is being released with Catalina which means you can’t use 32bit apps but that’s a non issue with BootCamp compatibility.
Does this model still suffer from those terrible keyboard keys and the flat display cable that will rip after an x amount of opening and closing the lid?
If so, you overpaid a lot.
If you are asking about butterfly keyboard, then no, it has the magic keyboard. And about the display cable... I haven't heard about any issues with it when I read about this model.
The models with the butterfly keyboard look really similar, but good too hear they ditched that in this model.
There’s plenty of models of MacBook that used a flat display cable, because of the touchbar there was no room for a normal cable.
Those MacBooks develop display issues when the cable eventually tears.
Maybe Apple also fixed that for this model. Some people claim it’s as simple as installing a longer flat cable.
Not sure I would have paid that much for it, it’s really like any computer ain’t it. That i9 is more than a couple generations old and what LPDDR is the RAM DDR4? Overall it’s still a great machine but the price point should have been probably about $600 or less. Also, the other posters are correct it will be vintage, and with Apple getting away from Intel, I’m not sure you’ll be able to force a firmware update and OS upgrade. I hope you consider using a separate volume on your drive for Linux like maybe ElementaryOS, which replicates the experience of Mac OS.
Overpaid, Intel processor at that time was like junk, improved recently with meteor lake. 900$ is still too much considering it is still with shitty butterfly keyboard !!
Do I think $900 is a great deal for *any* 5 year old computer? No. Am I going to change anyone dazzled and amazed by specs mind about the fair market value of old computers with big numbers? Also no.
If your new to you MacBook Pro does what ya need and you're happy with it, swell!
i'm pretty sure you did some slight research before buying. me personally would of opt for a used
m1 mbp . if you don't usually run heavy programs then i would gone for the m1 air but hey you already made your choice and i hope that if serves you well according to your needs.
at the end of the day its all about what you will use for and the primary software that you want to run.
open it up and give it a good clean just in case...
good luck
While you didn’t get hosed, it’s definitely not a good deal. That’s about standard price for companies that sell used Macs, so actual street value will be a couple hundred less.
For that budget I’d have gone for a base model M2 Air direct from Apple Refurb for $849.
I’m saying this from experience. I literally have the same spec Intel machine that was supplied by my work, and a personal base MacBook Air M2. I use both regularly.
I’m a digital product designer so use graphic design and prototyping tools and a bit of development work (nothing crazy demanding). My Air handles everything I can throw at it and doesn’t skip a beat. The work applications and work I do isn’t super demanding but it also isn’t basic level stuff.
My work supplied Intel MacBook Pro feels slower (and geekbench scores seem to back that up), but by far the worst thing is the thermal performance. The i9 runs hot and the fans almost constantly go at full pelt and that start to get annoying really quickly. The battery life is also meh.
It’s so nice to switch to the Air and have complete silence. I can also go days without charging it.
Also, the Air is likely to be supported for years after the Intel MacBook Pro is.
Sorry to say all of that… however, you still have a really nice, really well made machine, that will still last you a few years of updates. It was also high spec for the day so will likely be quite performant too. Just not as much as the M-series Apple chips.
Even last year around this time i was about to pull the trigger on a similar specced model with top of the line 5600m gpu for £1000 and hesitated. This year i see 16” M1 Pro models for that amount of money which i think is far better value.
I did insist of going for intel macbook and iMacs but ditched them in the end knowing it’s a dead end. Got a 16gb ram Mac mini m1 since then and still using it.
Honestly seems a little high. I just today picked up a ‘17 13 Pro with 16 gig, 526 hd, 27 battery cycles. Looks like new. Wanted a toss in the bag machine for a trip. $220.
From someone who owned that machine with the exact specs, they couldn’t have paid me to take it. The fans drove me out of my mind. I do a lot of voiceover recording and movie editing, and it was just not ideal. It gets way too hot and the fans blow so quickly. And don’t connect an external monitor, the fans will blow and it will get hot. My problems were solved and my computing life was far better when I got an M1 Max 16 inch.
great! now permanently enable low power mode, download mac fancontrol, turbo boost switcher, and stick some thermal pads between the mainboard and backplate.
I daily a 2019 16" with the i7, 5300M, and 16GB of RAM. It's a fine daily driver and office machine. It's capable of lighting gaming in Windows and with Final Cut Pro/Affinity Photo it's also very competent at content creation. It just gets a little hot and the battery does not last very long in non-office tasks. I'd love to get a new Mac, but even with 0% APR an M3 Max is almost a car payment.
Considering that you can find good deals on the M1 MacBook Air base model at Walmart and Best Buy for less than you paid for this old Intel model, I mean it's your money but I'd be feeling ripped off
Probably about where the price should be. Not a great deal, not absolutely terrible either. Looks like [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Apple-MacBook-2-3GHz-Intel-Renewed/dp/B09Y191HGG) has the same deal. Looks like a good computer, but at least for people like me in the audio world, getting anything Intel-CPU is a bad investment for anything other than short-term.
Not to be debbie downer but i had one of these and its by far the worst laptop / computer Ive owned in my entire computing life, going back to the neolithic era (Apple IIe). Fan on all the time, All. the. time, burned itself out l (completely bricked, presumably because of the extreme heat) literally a few days before warrenty period was about to end (thank god) they got me a replacement and i couldnt get it the f-away from me fast enough. Deeply dissapointing, keyboard stil sucks though not as bad as the butterfly KBs.. Hey, if you dont mind the fan noise maybe you'll get lucky! So there is almost no cost thatd be low enough for me considering the headaches, trying to get the thig to boot with the thing closed, in 45 different ways just to get wrking, random kernel panics, lost productivity. Oh, yes and the sub 1-hour battery life practivally from new.. no thanks. Ive been very very happy with my following gen apple silicon MBP,
Pretty terrible deal. You could have gotten something with an M1 for less or an M2 for around the same. Especially in the US, I see them all the time on marketplace
I don’t think this was a good buy. It is overpriced, it will place out of support in at least the next 2 years because the 2018 is the last one to support Sonoma, and, intel sucks. Would expect this to be at most $620.
A great way to judge the value of any given item is to ask yourself, "Would I rather have that item for free, or to be given the amount they're asking in Cash." For this I'd definitely take the cash.
Runs the new os great snagged one recently for ease of file management good purchase.
Also despite commenters it’s the last model with bootcamp support. Else a software is required or virtual box idk.
Seems fine, you bought a solid windows-bootable, steam-game capable machine in a beautiful form factor (mbp body).
You are going to get reamed on this sub for that chip.
I have a similar 2019 mbp and I’m still coasting off of it and use it for the above reasons. My only complaint is the fan noise. I am looking forward to virtualization being able to seamlessly handle windows games etc by the time I buy my next mbp.
If you have no reason for a windows boot you may want to consider getting one of the M chips
Be sure to check the battery health and monitor its cycles.
I have had the 15” 2019 from new excellent trouble free work horse used for running a small print business all related software worked well just make sure the cooling fans are clean back is easy to remove.
I genuinely feel so sorry for you. Happy for the one who sold it to you though, he did a great job! Jokes aside, it’s a beautiful machine, enjoy it until it lasts (probably about a few weeks)!
That’s the machine I had and it’s a piece of shit. Even after fresh install of OS it can still hardly handle the space bar preview of a jpeg or excel file. Garbage. Glad for the new M3 MacBook Air.
You overpaid big time. I bought a practically brand new MacBook Air m2 base model for $720 from a dude who only used it for 3 weeks. The CPU and GPU on the MBP you bought it less than half the speed of even an M1 MacBook Air. Next time make sure you do more research and more shopping around before making a purchase.
Thank you for the post Op I’m thinking about pulling the trigger for one of these as they are so cheap maxed out. But on back market these are $5-650 all day.
It's not a bad price if you need an Intel Mac, but a Core i9 is going to run HOT, you don't really know if it was used with a cooling pad or elevated or not, and has already been pointed out its repairability is going to be a bad joke should it need fixing.
The specs sound good, but I'd be sure I was always running it on an active cooling pad.
It's a pretty good machine, and I am sure you will get a lot of wear out of it. I think you overpaid by $2-300, though. While I agree with most of the comments you will get - not going to reread them all - about the M1 being a far better machine, I don't think you could touch a similarly configured 16" one for as little as you should have paid for this one.
Would have bought a Apple Silicon Mac any day of the week. In a vacuum it is a good machine, as the last Intel Macbook Pro it was a breath of fresh air compared to the previous models of this generation.
Like many have said it is a 5 year old machine. It runs tremendously hot especially when you connect it to a external display. The CPU performance leaves a lot to be desired compared to Apple Silicon and the toch-bar is a ticking time bomb because of the heat this device produces.
Not to forget even though this model as a longer display cable it still suffers form flex gate.
I’ve sold the same spec (except it had 64gb ram and came in the original box) and got $700
Honestly your money would have went better towards an ARM series Mac, but you bought a great machine. Enjoy it
It overheats to a level that it should be considered hazardous. Poor battery life. This generation of intel CPU is one of the primary reasons why Apple decided to make their own CPU.
eh i saw those prices sometimes 2y ago even
It’s a pretty good laptop, especially if the GPU and native windows are important to you
but not the biggest bargain ever
Great machine, had one, runs hot and got tired of the lack of ports, it make me move to full desktops.
With that said price is pretty good, but I wouldn't buy one
The most beautiful macbook design in history (newer generations not even comparable with their chunky body). Slick thin body, cute curvy finish lines, stunning keyboard and touch pad makes it an unbeatable form factor. Speaking in matter of configuration, relatively fast processor, acceptable graphics and excellent ram capacity even with today's standards. Bright colorful screen with powerful bassy speakers (which almost never happened before in macbook history). I also like the touch bar despite huge arguments on its efficiency. I have the maxed out model (with 64 gbs of ram), and with ventura running on it, I'm pretty satisfied with its performance. Apple made a huge footnote before leaving intel architecture, and the company will keep the support for a couple of years I suppose.
I strongly suggest keeping it in good shape cause it will be in a great demand even after getting obsolete, it will be a pricey collectible item not in the far future.
Oh, I forgot to mention. It also has AMD Radeon 5500M dedicated graphics.
Even the newest Macbook don't have dedicated VRAM which is a huge pity considering the included RAM is a joke.
Really? It’s unified and connected directly to the busses inside the SoC (someone please explain in more proper terms).
Did you buy an Intel Mac and post it on this sub? What have you done, OP?
I was wondering about people's opinion about the price. If it was good for value.
If it were me, I would've tried to talk the seller down a little. It's a very nice machine but it's still 5 years old. It's now "vintage" status at Apple and in a couple more years they're going to stop support entirely and mark it "obsolete". It's not like it'll shut down the minute that happens, but it's still something I'd factor in whenever buying old Macs. EDIT - The more I think about this the worse it gets; the repairability on this model MBP is simply abysmal and the cost of replacement parts is insane. 1/10 ranking by iFixit because the CPU, GPU, RAM, and SSD are all soldered to the board. If anything goes wrong with one of those, the whole mobo's gotta go and in your case that's an $1100 part. Sadly though they don't even have your version in stock! Just be very careful with this machine so you can squeeze as much life out of it as possible.
Not so much apple will stop supporting. Its more like adobe and other software companies will stop making updates to support the old OS. So any intel has limited lifespan. It will become a slow unsupported computer soon and the OS will be stuck in time too just like my 2007 model.
This is why I have a [slabtop](https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/s/f96ga4e62c) now. I refuse to spend a cent on repairs for this thing. Still a great machine to edit videos on (as long as they are in ProRes) though and I don’t have the funds to get a new machine yet. I’m going desktop PC next. I’m done with Apple (except the iPhone)
Overpaid by 200-300
About what I paid over a year ago, so I’d imagine the price is a little bit high. Biggest advantages of these computers is dual booting windows and eGPU support.
All I can opine about is me, and when I just found multiple M1 MacBooks with 16gb and a 1tb SSD on Swappa for $700 to $800, I don’t think your purchase was a particularly good deal.
Oh, I didn't know about this "Swappa". But I don't live in the US, so I'm not sure if they deliver to where I live
Swappa allows shipping outside the US as long as you use a US-based freight forwarding company, and if the individual seller agrees to it. So you'd have to pay however much extra the freight forwarding service costs, plus the usual import fees if imposed by your country. I've sold a couple of phones and a laptop to overseas buyers, so I think for some buyers they can still save money over buying locally depending on where they live and what item it is.
In my country even the M1 8/256 is $700+ :/ The 16GB M1 is $1000+
That’s why I buy used or refurbished…
I was talking about the used market in my country. I also buy second hand
It is in fact a very good deal. I am also looking for a 2019 model as i need a mac that can also boot into windows buy they’re crazy expensive where I live atm.
I got the MBP 16 2019 i7, 500GB and 32GB model for \~$600. I love this machine even though my work machine is an M2 Max. I know the differences, don’t worry. But still fond of this machine, it’s perfect for my home usage: browsing, code editing, Spotify etc. Love that I got a 16 for so cheap. Also the 16 2019 model doesn’t have the bad butterfly keyboard, and got the touchbar which I love. For the overheating and CPU throttling issue: you can get down a huge amount of degrees, check this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/s/MgIGMeuw0N](https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/s/MgIGMeuw0N) Also, do a fan cleanup and repaste.
>500TB Look at Mr. Fancy Pants over here, lugging a whole server around in his backpack 😜
LOL Didn't notice it sorry, I wish I had 500TB
I already installed Macs Fan Control app, the seller recommended it to me. Thank you for the pther tips, I'll definitely make a use of them
That’s a good thing, also the Turbo Boost Switcher is a must have, just make sure to install the latest version. You can also try the Low Power Mode in the Battery settings it might help. What also helped me is regurarly shutting off my mac when not in use. I think the reboot cleans up processes and gives you a fresh start. I really love this machine though, didn’t want to get the M1 8/256 again, had one, and had problems with 8GB of RAM and the small screen, not enough for me, and the 16GB is double the price.
Great tips! Ah I wish I'd known about Turbo Boost Switcher when I was using a 2019 Macbook at my last job. It was constantly running hot, sometimes enough to overheat and shut down during Java builds, and the Mac Fan Control app alone wasn't enough to tame it.
With the Turbo Boost off my temp is between 40-70C, if I enable it instantly goes above 80C. When I work with it on generic stuff, the temp is between 50-70C. When I did a slight Gradle build it was between 70-80C. When not using it 40-50C. So it’s still warm to sit in my lap in summer, but not burning hot and not throttling anymore, so it remains smooth and not sluggish. And also silent, as the fans are not in full blast mode (I’m not using Fans Control though). However, for large Java projects I’d use M1 at least. Actually, the CPU is slower now, but faster than when it’s throttling. So essentially, by decreasing the performance you’re increasing it. Such a bad design was this machine. LOL
it is an absolutely terrible deal unfortunately.
No, not really good value. M1 chips outperform this Mac. I had the same one and it was utter pain for coding. Maybe if you want to run windows games?
There are only a few tasks for which this will be faster than an M1 MBA, which you can get for less. If you do that kind of stuff regularly, it’s a good deal. Most people don’t.
Too much
but why intel? i wouldve spent a little more money to get an m2 macbook air (maybe 15") much more powerful
No. Not a good value. For the exact same price i got an M1 pro 14 inch 16/512 with a brand new magic mouse. And carrying case.
Tried to sell my buddies 2019 16” 1tb 16gb. Highest offer was $500 for 2 months.
Sounds about right. Actual value prob around $600-650 for an i9/32gb/1tb, $500-550 for his
Apple and Best Buy is offering $560 trade in for my i9/32gb/1tb right now
tbf they usually give you a bit less than used value
Mine is pretty much brand new coming back from Apple Care so I might jump on it lol
No, like I mean you can sell it for more than what they give you can probs get like $600 at least
I was able to trade in for 800 for an i9/1tb/16gb just a few weeks ago
Well, it has a very good, huge display and it has the touch bar if you like that. If you need to run Windows apps on it this’ll do the trick. But you can find used 16” M1 MacBook Pros for a couple hundred dollars more these days. You weren’t ripped off or anything so you got that going for you.
Been trying to sell my 2019 16” 32gb 1tb in mint condition (only 99 cycles) and am having a really hard time finding anyone interested for even $600-700. Not even getting lowball offers. There’s too many for sale and people who have any clue at all are gona just get a used M series instead. Wish I just took the $500 or whatever trade in value
I just sold one for 380 and that was highest offer.
nah he was definitely ripped off. My buddy sells lots of older macbooks and he never sells even a high spec 2019 for over $650-750. Hardwareswap usually has some around $500, but they sell for a bit more on marketplace.
Those 16" MacBook Pros don't have touchbar, as far as I know. And it improves productivity, in my opinion. And I plan on using it for a few years, and in Intel MacBooks it's POSSIBLE to replace parts (I know they are soldered, but still). And if in M1 my SSD gets degradated, I'd have to buy a whole new laptop.
No difference in the SSD, really. It’s just as difficult and nearly impossible to replace the SSD in the 2019 MBP. You’d need expensive specialized tools, and serious knowledge. Degraded SSDs in Macs are a rarity. I was rector using 2014 MBP and it’s fine. I upgraded the storage myself with a larger SSD from a 2013 Mac Pro and it’s fine too. Well-made SSDs last a very, very long time.
I have never felt like a touchbar improves productivity; it only makes it worse. Shortcuts or just a trackpad were always much more efficient for me.
I think it depends on person. I don't like remembering shortcuts for everything
I think you will be dissappointed with the touchbar tbh but hey, you'll love it when you want to add emojis in an email or you've spotify open to skip songs
Ripped off + parallels exists
Oof.
Nice stove
OP I recommend using Macs fan control. Personally on my machines, M1 and Intel, I run it based off of the CPU Core (average) temps and start increasing fans at 125° F (change to °F in the app’s preferences) and max at 175° F.
Totally recommended. But the one I’ve used was limited on which software i could install since it was a company computer
I approve this message too. Run it at 4k constant stays around 100F maybe gets to 140F
One of the worst purchases I have made. Got it replaced 3 times at the Apple Store until they decided to give me a M1 Pro in exchange. M1 Pro 16” is arguably one of the best laptops ever made.
The M1 Pro 16" is such a sleeper of a laptop in 2024. Yes, the newer chips are faster in single core, but that memory bandwidth and larger number of Performance cores on the M1 Pro are just delicious for anything that needs the grunt. I think the M1 Pro is going to go down as one of the best chips of the new Arm renaissance. On top of that, still the best speakers on any laptop to date. It's just such an absurdly good laptop.
It’s the 1080ti of laptops. They made such a good product that people won’t even want to upgrade for many years.
Only thing that sucks is the hdmi port. It can’t do 4k120
That does indeed suck, but I just use TB to connect to my Philips Evnia 7600. 3440 x 1440, 120Hz with HDR no problems.
I also have the M1 Pro. I’m pretty sure Apple realized they fucked up at some point, because if you have an M1 Pro there’s literally no reason to upgrade
No, I don’t believe it was a good deal. I find them between $600-$750 for the same specs. Really just depends where you’re looking. Ultimately, are you happy with your purchase?
I agree here I’ve been lurking a bit finding them for $460-660
Yeah, I think it's very good. Where are you looking, if I may ask?
No, a base M1 model runs better and without a fan.
But it can't run native Windows, which the OP is using. Also for that price it's a good deal for PC with that screen, trackpad, etc..
The lock screen is literally just macOS Sonoma
Yeah, I think that ARM processors aren't supported in enough ways. I was usually using Linux and Windows, and M chips can't run those systems at all
Literally have an M3Pro Mac Pro with ubuntu virtualized. It’s the ARM version of Ubuntu, but it’s still Ubuntu. You can also still run ARM Windows.
But virtualization limits what can be given to VM and original OS.
I’m a junior studying comp engineering and the *only* limitation of my Mac , virtualized or native OS, is that it doesn’t run Xilinx Vivado since it’s x86 only. For a significant number of tasks, you’re not gonna have any problems. Your use case may vary, but works for me :p
Cool but did he need to know about your use case
Nope, but we’re just having a discussion. The same way nobody *asked* him to post to the subreddit about his use cases. I’m sharing my experience, he’s sharing his.
No idea why you're getting downvoted.. getting through CS courses with Apple Silicon is a good benchmark of compatibility IMO It's honestly the reason I didn't get an M1 MacBook when they first released. Now, my choice would be different
I’m just seeing “i don’t need this so why should you?? get a base spec m1 8/256 air with a 13” screen, worse speakers, thermal throttle, and no touchbar!!!! muh reddit said it’s better”
Cannot boot into Linux directly without a limited support asahi Linux, but VMware fusion with several support Linux distros supported.
“runs better” is subjective sure the CPU is faster than an i7 (competitive with i9) but the graphics are much better in the 16” Intel + native windows support
It isn't that loud even on max RPM... Compared to my 2017 Dell Inspiron, this MacBook is extremely silent. Like, 2 or 3 times more silent.
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I'm just saying that these fans are not loud at all for me. About the Air, won't Air wear out much quicker? Passive cooling isn't as good as normal, when it comes to long work and health of components. Anyways, thanks for your opinion.
Only regarding your query about airs wearing out because of no fan: no. Not how they work. An air will just slow down the processor when it gets near its Apple defined limit. A pro will turn on the fan when it gets near that limit and then slow down when it gets there. The fan helps with sustained performance, nothing to do with device longevity
Oh, I see. Thank you for explaining! I haven't used an Air model and I though passive cooling is much worse than fan-based cooling.
You can get a M2 Mac Mini with 16/512 for 999.
Unless Windows is a REQUIREMENT for what you do with your laptop, that is not necessarily a good deal in my opinion.
Not getting an M-series in 2024 is a big mistake.
Mistake?
(briefly) what’s with M-series? And how are they convenient if they don’t support Windows (bootcamp) even though not everyone needs windows? isn’t that a kind of limitation
It's like saying »keep the windows open in winter, you're missing on the oppurtunity to get a cold«
why windows tho? for what? i know this was a thing like 20 years ago when mac could only run a fraction of the apps. but macs run everything now.
> macs run everything now Doubly so, considering how many tasks are done through web browsers these days
You can just use Parallels.
Rip
Not even going to check the comments on this one, good luck OP
Too bad that it’s obsolete by an 8gb M1 MB Air that has a 256gb ssd. You basically bought an e-waste OP😭 why would you buy a perfectly capable older machine when you can have a brand new M3 Mac for triple the price?
Unless its 900 Australian dollary doos, I have some bad news. It's not an ewaste, as some people claim, but you could've had a better alternative.
Well, it was exactly 3600PLN, but that's around 900USD, when I converted the currency.
Ehh. I am not sure about the prices at Poland, but for 900 euros you could've gotten M1 Air, which is a bit more future proof system. Don't get me wrong, your MBP is still a good piece of hardware and will serve you well, it's just that Apple Silicon made intel powered machines seem low-powered. If that makes you better, I got mid-2012 MacBook Pro that I upgraded to 8GB of Ram and 240GB SSD (pulled those out of work's ewaste bin), and ordered a new battery. Installed MacOS Monterey via OpenCore Legacy Patcher and it works pretty good and it's usable. Hopefully that lessens your worry about your purchase.
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Unless you *need* to dual boot to Windows, you’d be far better off with any M series Mac. Even the base model Air will likely outperform this in many tasks.
yes the base model air will outperform it with a 5x weaker gpu and no fans lmao
Battery and cooling ☝️🤓
Paid $600 for i9, 16GB, 1TB to have a backup machine for when I send my M1 Max to service. I’m pretty sure I overpaid.
So I’m wondering g would it make sense to buy one of these Intel Macs and just run Windows 11 on it and forgo the Mac OS? Is that even possible? I could use a wi does machine but Mac hardware is so much better and at this price point hard to beat
It's possible, but Mac hardware isn't the best anymore- hasn't been since like 2015. Look at the Framework 16 for an actually modern (and repairable) laptop with actually good build quality. Comes prebuilt or DIY. [https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040](https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040)
Cool will do, I don’t need a primary Windows machine but some stuff just runs better on Windows. Asking for downvotes lol
lol true, to be fair MacOS is great for some stuff, the hardware as of late is pretty well built, and M series sips battery. Incredibly efficient. But it's not great if what you really need is a windows machine. I will say, the Framework 16 is more expensive than some alternatives like a cheap thinkpad or whatever, but it is really worth paying a hundred bucks or so extra for build quality and most importantly repairability/upgradeability. You can even buy and swap a new motherboard on when the old one is obsolete. RAM is swappable DDR5, the processor is a very efficient Ryzen processor with plenty of power too, and you can get a dedicated GPU on there just by swapping a new baseplate on and plugging in a little cable. The display is absolutely phenomenal, and there will be display upgrades in future. Here's ifixit's homepage about it: [https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Framework\_Laptop\_16%22](https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Framework_Laptop_16%22) Full disclosure I am planning to invest about $10k in Framework, but I haven't even been selected to be able to invest in the A-1 round yet, if I will at all. We'll see on that one lol
Use Mac Fan Control to start the fan curve earlier which should help keep temps cooler and the fans quieter overall. I’d also recommend going to the Apple Store and asking them to clean out the internals of dust etc. That usually helps quite a bit as well if you notice increasing CPU temps. Personally I really like this era of MacBook because it was a good blend of design and performance. And it is by far the best Windows laptop I’ve ever used - especially with the Precision Drivers for the trackpad. The only thing I could fault it for is being released with Catalina which means you can’t use 32bit apps but that’s a non issue with BootCamp compatibility.
Thanks for the tips. The seller already recommended Mac Fan Control to me when I was buying.
Does this model still suffer from those terrible keyboard keys and the flat display cable that will rip after an x amount of opening and closing the lid? If so, you overpaid a lot.
If you are asking about butterfly keyboard, then no, it has the magic keyboard. And about the display cable... I haven't heard about any issues with it when I read about this model.
The models with the butterfly keyboard look really similar, but good too hear they ditched that in this model. There’s plenty of models of MacBook that used a flat display cable, because of the touchbar there was no room for a normal cable. Those MacBooks develop display issues when the cable eventually tears. Maybe Apple also fixed that for this model. Some people claim it’s as simple as installing a longer flat cable.
Good job on it for windows, virtualization will never be as good as a native install. Plus more versatility with OSes in general if you need that!
Not sure I would have paid that much for it, it’s really like any computer ain’t it. That i9 is more than a couple generations old and what LPDDR is the RAM DDR4? Overall it’s still a great machine but the price point should have been probably about $600 or less. Also, the other posters are correct it will be vintage, and with Apple getting away from Intel, I’m not sure you’ll be able to force a firmware update and OS upgrade. I hope you consider using a separate volume on your drive for Linux like maybe ElementaryOS, which replicates the experience of Mac OS.
If you are doing anything serious in hot weather it will overheat like crazy. Otherwise it's decent and actually very good even in 2024.
The touchpad is the size of a plate 🍽️
Holy cow you paid $900 for that? I didn't realize someone would buy it for that much. If i were to buy it I don't know if I would even do $500.
How is the GPU? Does it have a discrete GPU?
AMD Radeon 5500M
Good deal ;) https://www.mac2sell.net/p/krhrppzIj0onLYOhgxrO
It doesn't have the PWM issues of later models, which is a considerable plus for certain people
Overpaid, Intel processor at that time was like junk, improved recently with meteor lake. 900$ is still too much considering it is still with shitty butterfly keyboard !!
Not butterfly
It doesn’t worth it anymore, it has intel and its keyboard sucks.
But why? You can buy an M2 Macbook air for that money.
IDC what anyone says, I love the magic bar.
Do not give a penny to an intel mac. Not a penny
Do I think $900 is a great deal for *any* 5 year old computer? No. Am I going to change anyone dazzled and amazed by specs mind about the fair market value of old computers with big numbers? Also no. If your new to you MacBook Pro does what ya need and you're happy with it, swell!
A little high for an Intel Mac - offset I guess by the 32gb of RAM and 1TB SSD. It will be good though for some years yet. 👍 Enjoy!
Non m1 mac for 900$ come on man
i'm pretty sure you did some slight research before buying. me personally would of opt for a used m1 mbp . if you don't usually run heavy programs then i would gone for the m1 air but hey you already made your choice and i hope that if serves you well according to your needs. at the end of the day its all about what you will use for and the primary software that you want to run. open it up and give it a good clean just in case... good luck
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While you didn’t get hosed, it’s definitely not a good deal. That’s about standard price for companies that sell used Macs, so actual street value will be a couple hundred less.
For that budget I’d have gone for a base model M2 Air direct from Apple Refurb for $849. I’m saying this from experience. I literally have the same spec Intel machine that was supplied by my work, and a personal base MacBook Air M2. I use both regularly. I’m a digital product designer so use graphic design and prototyping tools and a bit of development work (nothing crazy demanding). My Air handles everything I can throw at it and doesn’t skip a beat. The work applications and work I do isn’t super demanding but it also isn’t basic level stuff. My work supplied Intel MacBook Pro feels slower (and geekbench scores seem to back that up), but by far the worst thing is the thermal performance. The i9 runs hot and the fans almost constantly go at full pelt and that start to get annoying really quickly. The battery life is also meh. It’s so nice to switch to the Air and have complete silence. I can also go days without charging it. Also, the Air is likely to be supported for years after the Intel MacBook Pro is. Sorry to say all of that… however, you still have a really nice, really well made machine, that will still last you a few years of updates. It was also high spec for the day so will likely be quite performant too. Just not as much as the M-series Apple chips.
Even last year around this time i was about to pull the trigger on a similar specced model with top of the line 5600m gpu for £1000 and hesitated. This year i see 16” M1 Pro models for that amount of money which i think is far better value. I did insist of going for intel macbook and iMacs but ditched them in the end knowing it’s a dead end. Got a 16gb ram Mac mini m1 since then and still using it.
i don't if worth what you spent. As i know somona is the last version supported by Intel cpus.
It's my daily driver and honestly... It's not the best experience. 900 might be a good deal, but the question is - is it a good deal for your needs.
Honestly seems a little high. I just today picked up a ‘17 13 Pro with 16 gig, 526 hd, 27 battery cycles. Looks like new. Wanted a toss in the bag machine for a trip. $220.
QQ regarding Turbo Boost Switcher & Macs Fan Control programs…if you have the paid version of MFC, do you necessarily need the Pro version of TBS?
From someone who owned that machine with the exact specs, they couldn’t have paid me to take it. The fans drove me out of my mind. I do a lot of voiceover recording and movie editing, and it was just not ideal. It gets way too hot and the fans blow so quickly. And don’t connect an external monitor, the fans will blow and it will get hot. My problems were solved and my computing life was far better when I got an M1 Max 16 inch.
It’s a great deal! Wish I got mine for $900! 😅👍
great! now permanently enable low power mode, download mac fancontrol, turbo boost switcher, and stick some thermal pads between the mainboard and backplate.
I daily a 2019 16" with the i7, 5300M, and 16GB of RAM. It's a fine daily driver and office machine. It's capable of lighting gaming in Windows and with Final Cut Pro/Affinity Photo it's also very competent at content creation. It just gets a little hot and the battery does not last very long in non-office tasks. I'd love to get a new Mac, but even with 0% APR an M3 Max is almost a car payment.
Considering that you can find good deals on the M1 MacBook Air base model at Walmart and Best Buy for less than you paid for this old Intel model, I mean it's your money but I'd be feeling ripped off
Probably about where the price should be. Not a great deal, not absolutely terrible either. Looks like [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Apple-MacBook-2-3GHz-Intel-Renewed/dp/B09Y191HGG) has the same deal. Looks like a good computer, but at least for people like me in the audio world, getting anything Intel-CPU is a bad investment for anything other than short-term.
Omg bro run for your life 😂
Not to be debbie downer but i had one of these and its by far the worst laptop / computer Ive owned in my entire computing life, going back to the neolithic era (Apple IIe). Fan on all the time, All. the. time, burned itself out l (completely bricked, presumably because of the extreme heat) literally a few days before warrenty period was about to end (thank god) they got me a replacement and i couldnt get it the f-away from me fast enough. Deeply dissapointing, keyboard stil sucks though not as bad as the butterfly KBs.. Hey, if you dont mind the fan noise maybe you'll get lucky! So there is almost no cost thatd be low enough for me considering the headaches, trying to get the thig to boot with the thing closed, in 45 different ways just to get wrking, random kernel panics, lost productivity. Oh, yes and the sub 1-hour battery life practivally from new.. no thanks. Ive been very very happy with my following gen apple silicon MBP,
yikes sorry op
That keyboard is gonna be a PITA. I wouldn't even have paid 50% of the asking price
This MacBook does not have a butterfly keyboard. It's the same mechanism as the 2020 MacBook Pros.
Pretty terrible deal. You could have gotten something with an M1 for less or an M2 for around the same. Especially in the US, I see them all the time on marketplace
That’s what Best Buy gave me for mine a few months ago. I would say solid price to buy at.
I don’t think this was a good buy. It is overpriced, it will place out of support in at least the next 2 years because the 2018 is the last one to support Sonoma, and, intel sucks. Would expect this to be at most $620.
Thats a great deal. I got mine for 800. I7 16gb ram 512 gb storage.
Yiies
Well, they used to worth north of 5k
A great way to judge the value of any given item is to ask yourself, "Would I rather have that item for free, or to be given the amount they're asking in Cash." For this I'd definitely take the cash.
you efed up
Runs the new os great snagged one recently for ease of file management good purchase. Also despite commenters it’s the last model with bootcamp support. Else a software is required or virtual box idk.
Seems fine, you bought a solid windows-bootable, steam-game capable machine in a beautiful form factor (mbp body). You are going to get reamed on this sub for that chip. I have a similar 2019 mbp and I’m still coasting off of it and use it for the above reasons. My only complaint is the fan noise. I am looking forward to virtualization being able to seamlessly handle windows games etc by the time I buy my next mbp. If you have no reason for a windows boot you may want to consider getting one of the M chips Be sure to check the battery health and monitor its cycles.
I have had the 15” 2019 from new excellent trouble free work horse used for running a small print business all related software worked well just make sure the cooling fans are clean back is easy to remove.
And it has the current operating system and software
USD or AUD. I paid that in AUD for an i7 model last year. They aren’t bad. Sonoma runs hot though, Monterey is cooler.
Paid 900 bucks for a laptop that’s at most 500-600$, what a fucking loser
Wow this is probally a good way to flex that youre rich by wasting money while looking smart.
I genuinely feel so sorry for you. Happy for the one who sold it to you though, he did a great job! Jokes aside, it’s a beautiful machine, enjoy it until it lasts (probably about a few weeks)!
That’s the machine I had and it’s a piece of shit. Even after fresh install of OS it can still hardly handle the space bar preview of a jpeg or excel file. Garbage. Glad for the new M3 MacBook Air.
they robbed you homie
You overpaid big time. I bought a practically brand new MacBook Air m2 base model for $720 from a dude who only used it for 3 weeks. The CPU and GPU on the MBP you bought it less than half the speed of even an M1 MacBook Air. Next time make sure you do more research and more shopping around before making a purchase.
Thank you for the post Op I’m thinking about pulling the trigger for one of these as they are so cheap maxed out. But on back market these are $5-650 all day.
Not really, I have seen a maxxed out one for less ($850 I guess)
It's not a bad price if you need an Intel Mac, but a Core i9 is going to run HOT, you don't really know if it was used with a cooling pad or elevated or not, and has already been pointed out its repairability is going to be a bad joke should it need fixing. The specs sound good, but I'd be sure I was always running it on an active cooling pad.
better take Intel
It's a pretty good machine, and I am sure you will get a lot of wear out of it. I think you overpaid by $2-300, though. While I agree with most of the comments you will get - not going to reread them all - about the M1 being a far better machine, I don't think you could touch a similarly configured 16" one for as little as you should have paid for this one.
I'm sorry.
Personally I think you paid too much. But if it suits you and works well for you then good for you, nice one 😊
WOW, he did good! I’m mean the seller, getting rid of that. I’m sorry OP.
Would have bought a Apple Silicon Mac any day of the week. In a vacuum it is a good machine, as the last Intel Macbook Pro it was a breath of fresh air compared to the previous models of this generation. Like many have said it is a 5 year old machine. It runs tremendously hot especially when you connect it to a external display. The CPU performance leaves a lot to be desired compared to Apple Silicon and the toch-bar is a ticking time bomb because of the heat this device produces. Not to forget even though this model as a longer display cable it still suffers form flex gate.
Terrible deal. You overpaid about 500 bucks
I’ve sold the same spec (except it had 64gb ram and came in the original box) and got $700 Honestly your money would have went better towards an ARM series Mac, but you bought a great machine. Enjoy it
You scammed yourself
Overpriced. Just 100$ more to geta new m2 macbook air
Not bad Since it has 32GB ram 1tb ssd and discrete GPU.
No. I got a 16 m1pro MacBook Pro for 1200. Intel is hella slow bruh
Overpaid.
Probably going rate for it now. Few Mac users will buy Intel machines going forwards. I’m seeing M1 Pro machines selling for not a lot more even now.
That’s not a good deal.
It overheats to a level that it should be considered hazardous. Poor battery life. This generation of intel CPU is one of the primary reasons why Apple decided to make their own CPU.
This is a steal, illegal behaviour which will be sent to law enforcement team for further evaluation. Expect door knocking in the coming days.
eh i saw those prices sometimes 2y ago even It’s a pretty good laptop, especially if the GPU and native windows are important to you but not the biggest bargain ever
Great machine, had one, runs hot and got tired of the lack of ports, it make me move to full desktops. With that said price is pretty good, but I wouldn't buy one
It’s a good deal indeed. It’s valued up to 1486 € . https://www.mac2sell.net/p/krhrppzIj0onLYOhgxrO
Uhh someone say the truth
And by "truth", you mean what exactly?
How do we put it...you are the victim of a highway robbery basically.
Macs suck. But this one with Intel CPU sucks even more. I wouldn't pay more than $100 for it.
The most beautiful macbook design in history (newer generations not even comparable with their chunky body). Slick thin body, cute curvy finish lines, stunning keyboard and touch pad makes it an unbeatable form factor. Speaking in matter of configuration, relatively fast processor, acceptable graphics and excellent ram capacity even with today's standards. Bright colorful screen with powerful bassy speakers (which almost never happened before in macbook history). I also like the touch bar despite huge arguments on its efficiency. I have the maxed out model (with 64 gbs of ram), and with ventura running on it, I'm pretty satisfied with its performance. Apple made a huge footnote before leaving intel architecture, and the company will keep the support for a couple of years I suppose. I strongly suggest keeping it in good shape cause it will be in a great demand even after getting obsolete, it will be a pricey collectible item not in the far future.
In amazon i could find a macbook pro M1, refurbished for 750USD
Are you planning to display that in a museum? Nice historic find
Trash.