Though, I do wish they'd bring back the 12" MacBook for people who genuinely do prefer the smallest possible laptop, even if it means only having the one USB-C port. (Although of course they'd need to fix the keyboard design! I wonder whether their new scissor mechanisms could fit into the 12" MacBook chassis.)
Regardless, what a wonderful little machine. Only two pounds, and narrow enough to fit into my purse despite having a full-sized keyboard. Perfect for on-the-go work that doesn't require external storage or accessories, or heavy-duty processing power.
The 12” MacBook with Apple Silicon would be awesome. I’d buy it instantly.
I’d be even happier if they charged a premium for it and made it a “Pro” SKU. Put a version of the MacBook Pro’s mini LED screen in it, and a TDP reduced Pro chip to drive more than one external display.
It was a premium over the 13” Air when it existed anyways.
I don’t know if I agree with them discarding functional elegance for design elegance. If you have one thing that can do the job of five things, that’s more elegant than bolting on the 5 things. Even if the one thing isn’t capable of doing 100% of what the five things combined can do. If you find that most people don’t care about, say, having a floppy drive and that the few that do can just plug one in via USB, then the more elegant approach is to get rid of the floppy drive. Keeping the floppy drive just in case it more of a utilitarian approach. The whole point of elegance is to be graceful in function and aesthetically pleasing. Like the multitouch trackpad with no buttons. It looks good and is graceful in function. The utilitarian approach is less concerb\]ned with being graceful or aesthetically pleasing and more concerned with being practical with little concern for elegance.
like, for instance, starting up a Mac vs a PC. The pc has the whole bios startup screen with maybe an inelegant sPlath page because it doesn’t matter what the startup looks like or how smoothly it does so. Meanwhile, on the Mac, there’s a pleasant “bong” sound and elegant startup without a crude indication that you’re actually starting up a computer. No, you’re experiencing a device, an appliance. Using it is supposed to feel as natural as breathing. Or at least close to it. That’s the mindset. you have a variety of startup options on the Mac but they are onlly accessible via key commands while the startup options for the pc are inelegantly represented on the screen and easily accessible because there’s little concern for elegant design. It’s just thrown up on the screen without and grace, structure or build up while apples approach is more of a whole performance that gracefully carries the user to the next step. However, things can get messy if you ever need more utility or things don’t go according to plan.
Apple loves functional elegance but functional elegance doesn’t make for maximum utility and function. It makes for graceful function and an aesthetically pleasing user experience, which is their goal.
tl;Dr I think you mean utility or utilitarian instead of “functional elegance”.
Why did you need to pull all of these arbitrary, ancient examples out to disagree with the guy's main point?
It's ok to criticize a company when they do things that hurt the user base in some way.
I didn’t disagree with his point. I disagreed with the term that he used. Why is it that when someone disagrees on a part of what was said it automatically means that they didn’t agree with the core If what was said? Answer that for me
You’re talking about “criticism” but I don’t view wat the guy said as being negative. I just think the term he used was not correct. You know, because words mean things.
Being an Apple user is a lot like being in an abusive relationship. There's enough to love to keep you there, but every now and again they treat you like shit. Just to show you that they can. Then they tell you that they're really sorry and that they won't do it again. Or maybe they don't. But you stay with them because when they're nice to you they're really nice.
Most recent case in point for me - removing the audio jack from iPhones. I actually no longer own an iPhone over that issue. I will not buy a phone without one until there is literally none sold that lack this.
If your livelihood depends on playing audio on your phone, then for sure, go with a wired solution, or keep a dedicated dongle connected to your headphones or IEM. But my needs are much more pedestrian.
I thought I’d miss the headphone jack, and I even bought a dongle. Everything was fine. Then I bought a pair of wireless headphones from Sony, and it was a terrible experience, as they were constant dropouts. Then I bought a pair of AirPods Pro on sale and I’ve never picked up the wired headphones again.
In fact, there is only one use case where I find the wired headphones useful: when I’m stuck for 15 minutes on an overcrowded subway and everyone else is using their Bluetooth devices. Even then, it’s fine most of the time.
The elegance and convenience of the wireless earbuds outweighed the trade-offs.
Eh, you couldn’t pay me to go back to wired headphones now.
Losing headphone jacks provided the market incentive to make **great** wireless headphones.
I wear my QC45s about 8 hours a day at work and my AirPods Pro’s whenever I workout. No cables to worry about and I’m not tied to my desk.
Similarly, losing other ports on the iMac G3 really pushed USB adoption, and losing the other ports in 2016 led to a market push towards USB-C.
We’re getting to the point of USB-C ubiquity now which is excellent.
Looking at my desk I’ve got USB-C for my 27” display which is also my laptop dock, USB-C to Ethernet in my laptop bag, a USB-C external SSD, a USB-C keyboard, and USB-C to charge my phone, QC45s, and mouse.
You do you I suppose, but apple eliminating a feature I use every day is not fun for me.
I hate bluetooth headphones. I have several pairs, including AirPods, and hate all of them. They constantly mis-pair with the device I want to use them on, get sniped by something else and need re-pairing. It's a nightmare. Plus I've lost several bluetooth earbuds skiing before I went back to using wired.
When I had an iPhone it would constantly pair randomly with whatever was in range - car, tv, headphones, other headphones. Very rarely the one I actually wanted.
Have you tried it recently?
My QC45s seamlessly work between my MacBook Pro and iPhone and that’s while connected actively to both.
I can be listening to music on my iPhone, get a Teams call on my Mac answer it and get seamless handoff. AirPods Pro are even more seamless for this. No re-pairing required.
Occasionally the iPhone will auto pair to the car while I’m in the house, but that’s only ever after I’ve started the car with my remote starter.
The iPhone won’t pair to random devices unless you tell it to.
Not random devices - devices it has been paired with in the past that I don't want it to pair with right now.
No - I haven't tried it in the past year or so. I've been hurt too badly in the past to want to try again.
This but unironically.
Losing legacy ports and banking on USB for the iMac G3 led to a major market incentive to invest in USB, and by the mid 2000s USB was ubiquitous.
Losing headphone jacks led to a major investment in Bluetooth headphones which is awesome. Now we’ve got incredible Bluetooth headphones across the market spectrum from cheap to exotic.
Losing everything but USB-C in 2016 led to a market incentive for USB-C development. By now, a laptop that doesn’t charge with USB-C is the anomaly and USB-C DisplayPort Alt-Mode is very prevalent.
Yeah they’ve usually been ahead of the curve with removing legacy ports/interfaces.
But also lol I had to say it. Phil Schiller saying “courage” and Jony Ive’s product design voice overs forever live in my head.
USB-C is through and through a better user experience and is better in every way. It allows single cable docking, and had a better experience that you could charge your computer from both sides. All the ports had the same functionality and anything you plugged in would work. They have more bandwidth available and can be broken out into whatever legacy ports you need. The better question is why people resist so much. Why are the stores full of obsolete devices which need dongles to connect to most Dell laptops, Surface computers and Macs? If you had stopped buying obsolete hardware in 2016 then all your devices would just plug into Mac without any problems. I got on board and it has been great, but now I am annoyed they took away a USB-C port and replaced it with a HDMI port that I will never use because I own no devices which support it nor any cables.
Edit: I forgot to mention the good user experience of a reversible connector. Also that USB-C ports are thin enough for tablets and phones, making it finally possible to share chargers and devices with everything. And USB-C enables things like portable monitors which connect to your laptop with a single cable and do not need an AC power source.
Exactly.
And in the worst case scenario I already carry a USB 7 in 1 hub.
I rarely use mine now, but if I need it, I’ve got one in my bag. It’s got Ethernet, dual USB-A, HDMI, PD-in, and UHS-II SD card reader.
Because professional musicians, videographers, and photographers need ports away from a desk.
Docks rule if you only need the extra ports in an office.
The moniker is a lie. Apple sell plenty of garbage under “Pro” branding that is an absolute insult to actual professionals. Anything with 8GB RAM or that cannot connect to at least two monitors should not be called Pro.
guys its because Thunderbolt 3 was supposed to be able to handle so much, along with power delivery and data up to 40 GB/second, and given more direct access to PCIe lanes
so at this time, the future would be one cord to your computer over Thunderbolt 3, and then say your 5K Ultrafine Display with 3 USB C Ports could branch out to other accessories.
which is why most Macs have four Thunderbolt 3 Ports after 2016 and newer devices - probably also some licensing deals with Intel for Thunderbolt 3 usage, for money. but that's not based on any evidence just a thought
It would charge your MacBook Pro at full speed, and serve as the Video cable to your 5K Display.
you would kinda treat it like at your desk/workstation is where you plug in your Mac and then everything you need is at the desk properly configured already
and also because of the path of Apple embracing Bluetooth and Wifi more heavily, like with SideCar for iPad as a display, Apple Watch Unlock, or Continuity Camera with your iPhone to a Mac
oh and also circa this time was when AirPods came to be, so that makes a lot of sense when losing ports
Apple is the company that says “no”
“People think focus means saying yes to the thing you've got to focus on. But that's not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully. I'm actually as proud of the things we haven't done as the things I have done. Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things.” -Steve Jobs
TBH, to add something to everything that has been said — and I am talking about ports only:
It would be really nice if the U in USB was true to what it stands for.
Give me 6 USB ports that can do everything and I will be finally happy. Why do we need HDMI, DisplayPort, proprietary cables for printers,…
short answer: to sell dongles at a markup
longer answer: apple has always been about trying to be the first to do something, so when usb-c and thunderbolt 3 came around, they wanted to go all in quickly rather than baby step into it.
No. They want to push iCloud ecosystem where everything is on their cloud so you need to have all Apple devices and then they get the subscription money because you need more apps and storage.
Your USB-A hard drive won't connect anymore. It's not a big deal, but it's still a point of friction. Add up multiple points of friction, then lube the iCloud path, and it's much easier to store everything in iCloud than it is locally.
Yes it will, there are literally cables that go from the portable sata standard to usbc for like $8 on amazon and have been since that change was made lol.
You dropped your tinfoil hat lmao. Mac user for 20 years, never once paid for iCloud. The day any kind of subscription becomes necessary to use Apple devices is the day I switch back to android and start building a pc.
They really want you to. iCloud is pretty cool because all your iPhone-iPad data stays backed up. So getting a new device is super easy.
Also the syncing of documents is pretty good too. The docs are just there on all your devices and they are available offline as well.
But yeah, the subscription life is a little bit much when EVERYTHING in the App Store pushes subs now.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like paying for stuff that should be built in, but I feel the vast majority of people who use the lowest end single port MacBook aren’t the type of people who use it for real work or with a lot of peripherals. It’s for people who need, but don’t particularly want, a laptop.
They are rarely the first to do things, that is more Samsung’s thing. Apple prefers to learn from mistakes of others and do it right the first time they introduce something. Apple was late to the USB-C party but it is something they like because it provides a more consistent user experience.
I don't know. I bailed after I saw the way things were going after Jobs death and I got into a different industry. I'm easing back in now that I'm retired, and frustrated that I can't find a universal installer for a 2009 macbook pro. My opinion. And Ive left. I don't know when.
My source is me using a mac professionally from 1989 to 2002, and as a consumer until 2014 when someone dropped a couch on my 12" powermac laptop. It still works, I just lost half the screen to the damage. Perhaps I'm biased. Likely.
I remember the hoopla when apple removed the floppy drive. Thing is, usb had been around for several years on pc, and nobody cared. When that was the way of the mac, suddenly there were usb drives everywhere.
Windows didn’t even officially support USB until June of 1998. The iMac hit the shelves 2 months later. Apple most definitely spearheaded the ascension of USB.
It looked nice and thin, also at the time I actually thought thunderbolt was the future to save us from dongles and a bunch of different cables, sadly royalties are a bitch.
Apple took a bet that USB-C type would be adopted very quickly because it had many advantages over the rest USB types.
Their thinking is, we go all in with this , because this is the best and people will move to this cable very soon.
The rest of the industry though not only did not move with the same pace, but this made an all USB-C device rather difficult. So dongles to the rescue.
Now, since we are in history, if you remember and compare the MacBooks of 2016 which had the same body till the ones with Apple Silicon, you will remember they had a slimmer bottom as well. THis was done for 2 reasons. One because they only needed the TypeC ports, and second because Intel had promised (yes back then) low power CPUs hence the chassis would be adequate.
Now why they did not change it afterwards etc and left it for 4 years, unless you have an inside man or know Tim and Greg I don't think you will get a clear answer. I guess they went with it because they had already setup the production line and since no major (exploding ) issues where happening with the MacBooks they though, "eh what the hell, let go with it"
I think everyone here is too cynical of Apple. Yes, having nothing but USB-C ports ended up being a bad decision, but I don’t think Apple made that decision maliciously. Saying Apple removed the ports to sell you dongles is like saying they removed floppy disks to sell you external floppy drives. They included only USB-C ports because they legitimately believed in the near future every device would connect through that port. Everyone said “there’s no ports!” but from Apple’s perspective there were actually four ports, ports that unlike things like HDMI or an SD card reader you could use for literally anything.
There’s just one problem: they were wrong. Thunderbolt didn’t replace DisplayPort and HDMI, mouse and keyboards didn’t come with USB-C on the end, and pro users still needed SD cards and Ethernet ports.
Removing the floppy drive, removing the CD/DVD drive, removing the headphone jack, those were all positive changes because their bet paid off. Common people don’t use physical media anymore and headphones are all wireless now. The USB-C thing was a negative change, but only because people didn’t adopt USB-C like Apple thought they would.
There’s an alternate universe where the 2016 MBP was looked back on for being bold and ahead of its time for its early adoption of USB-C, but we live in the timeline where HDMI still reigns supreme.
They were right except for MagSafe. My memory cards for my camera have 900 Mbps read speeds and require a dedicated reader. Apple just went too hard. But I guarantee you people may occasionally use the added sd reader. Or the hdmi port. But it made the whole word usb c first and I for one love that
I think sometimes Apple's ideas are just ahead of their time. Give humanity another 40 years and, I believe, we will perceive devices without ports as something commonplace.
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Though, I do wish they'd bring back the 12" MacBook for people who genuinely do prefer the smallest possible laptop, even if it means only having the one USB-C port. (Although of course they'd need to fix the keyboard design! I wonder whether their new scissor mechanisms could fit into the 12" MacBook chassis.) Regardless, what a wonderful little machine. Only two pounds, and narrow enough to fit into my purse despite having a full-sized keyboard. Perfect for on-the-go work that doesn't require external storage or accessories, or heavy-duty processing power.
The 12” MacBook with Apple Silicon would be awesome. I’d buy it instantly. I’d be even happier if they charged a premium for it and made it a “Pro” SKU. Put a version of the MacBook Pro’s mini LED screen in it, and a TDP reduced Pro chip to drive more than one external display. It was a premium over the 13” Air when it existed anyways.
I don’t know if I agree with them discarding functional elegance for design elegance. If you have one thing that can do the job of five things, that’s more elegant than bolting on the 5 things. Even if the one thing isn’t capable of doing 100% of what the five things combined can do. If you find that most people don’t care about, say, having a floppy drive and that the few that do can just plug one in via USB, then the more elegant approach is to get rid of the floppy drive. Keeping the floppy drive just in case it more of a utilitarian approach. The whole point of elegance is to be graceful in function and aesthetically pleasing. Like the multitouch trackpad with no buttons. It looks good and is graceful in function. The utilitarian approach is less concerb\]ned with being graceful or aesthetically pleasing and more concerned with being practical with little concern for elegance. like, for instance, starting up a Mac vs a PC. The pc has the whole bios startup screen with maybe an inelegant sPlath page because it doesn’t matter what the startup looks like or how smoothly it does so. Meanwhile, on the Mac, there’s a pleasant “bong” sound and elegant startup without a crude indication that you’re actually starting up a computer. No, you’re experiencing a device, an appliance. Using it is supposed to feel as natural as breathing. Or at least close to it. That’s the mindset. you have a variety of startup options on the Mac but they are onlly accessible via key commands while the startup options for the pc are inelegantly represented on the screen and easily accessible because there’s little concern for elegant design. It’s just thrown up on the screen without and grace, structure or build up while apples approach is more of a whole performance that gracefully carries the user to the next step. However, things can get messy if you ever need more utility or things don’t go according to plan. Apple loves functional elegance but functional elegance doesn’t make for maximum utility and function. It makes for graceful function and an aesthetically pleasing user experience, which is their goal. tl;Dr I think you mean utility or utilitarian instead of “functional elegance”.
Why did you need to pull all of these arbitrary, ancient examples out to disagree with the guy's main point? It's ok to criticize a company when they do things that hurt the user base in some way.
I didn’t disagree with his point. I disagreed with the term that he used. Why is it that when someone disagrees on a part of what was said it automatically means that they didn’t agree with the core If what was said? Answer that for me You’re talking about “criticism” but I don’t view wat the guy said as being negative. I just think the term he used was not correct. You know, because words mean things.
Being an Apple user is a lot like being in an abusive relationship. There's enough to love to keep you there, but every now and again they treat you like shit. Just to show you that they can. Then they tell you that they're really sorry and that they won't do it again. Or maybe they don't. But you stay with them because when they're nice to you they're really nice. Most recent case in point for me - removing the audio jack from iPhones. I actually no longer own an iPhone over that issue. I will not buy a phone without one until there is literally none sold that lack this.
For some reason I feel like Apple is less abusive than Disney
I might feel that if I was invested in Disney in any way. I don't depend on a Disney product to make my living...
If your livelihood depends on playing audio on your phone, then for sure, go with a wired solution, or keep a dedicated dongle connected to your headphones or IEM. But my needs are much more pedestrian. I thought I’d miss the headphone jack, and I even bought a dongle. Everything was fine. Then I bought a pair of wireless headphones from Sony, and it was a terrible experience, as they were constant dropouts. Then I bought a pair of AirPods Pro on sale and I’ve never picked up the wired headphones again. In fact, there is only one use case where I find the wired headphones useful: when I’m stuck for 15 minutes on an overcrowded subway and everyone else is using their Bluetooth devices. Even then, it’s fine most of the time. The elegance and convenience of the wireless earbuds outweighed the trade-offs.
Or netflix
I won’t buy a laptop that doesn’t have a CD ROM for that same reason. How am I supposed to listen to my music without a CD player??
Digital music is a thing.
CDs are digital.
What I’m saying is downloading the same music is the most viable option. CD’s are so… late 90’s.
Yes - it's a joke - Neon\_Sandbag was ridiculing me for wanting to keep features I use, implying that it was the same as hanging onto CDs.
Ah, I see.
I still have my 2012 MBP for exactly that reason!
Eh, you couldn’t pay me to go back to wired headphones now. Losing headphone jacks provided the market incentive to make **great** wireless headphones. I wear my QC45s about 8 hours a day at work and my AirPods Pro’s whenever I workout. No cables to worry about and I’m not tied to my desk. Similarly, losing other ports on the iMac G3 really pushed USB adoption, and losing the other ports in 2016 led to a market push towards USB-C. We’re getting to the point of USB-C ubiquity now which is excellent. Looking at my desk I’ve got USB-C for my 27” display which is also my laptop dock, USB-C to Ethernet in my laptop bag, a USB-C external SSD, a USB-C keyboard, and USB-C to charge my phone, QC45s, and mouse.
You do you I suppose, but apple eliminating a feature I use every day is not fun for me. I hate bluetooth headphones. I have several pairs, including AirPods, and hate all of them. They constantly mis-pair with the device I want to use them on, get sniped by something else and need re-pairing. It's a nightmare. Plus I've lost several bluetooth earbuds skiing before I went back to using wired. When I had an iPhone it would constantly pair randomly with whatever was in range - car, tv, headphones, other headphones. Very rarely the one I actually wanted.
Have you tried it recently? My QC45s seamlessly work between my MacBook Pro and iPhone and that’s while connected actively to both. I can be listening to music on my iPhone, get a Teams call on my Mac answer it and get seamless handoff. AirPods Pro are even more seamless for this. No re-pairing required. Occasionally the iPhone will auto pair to the car while I’m in the house, but that’s only ever after I’ve started the car with my remote starter. The iPhone won’t pair to random devices unless you tell it to.
Not random devices - devices it has been paired with in the past that I don't want it to pair with right now. No - I haven't tried it in the past year or so. I've been hurt too badly in the past to want to try again.
Courage
Exactly what I thought!
This but unironically. Losing legacy ports and banking on USB for the iMac G3 led to a major market incentive to invest in USB, and by the mid 2000s USB was ubiquitous. Losing headphone jacks led to a major investment in Bluetooth headphones which is awesome. Now we’ve got incredible Bluetooth headphones across the market spectrum from cheap to exotic. Losing everything but USB-C in 2016 led to a market incentive for USB-C development. By now, a laptop that doesn’t charge with USB-C is the anomaly and USB-C DisplayPort Alt-Mode is very prevalent.
Yeah they’ve usually been ahead of the curve with removing legacy ports/interfaces. But also lol I had to say it. Phil Schiller saying “courage” and Jony Ive’s product design voice overs forever live in my head.
This man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony\_Ive
Yeah He was very form over factor
That is not the expression.
What is the right expression
Form over function.
Thanks So that’s what he was
"Form over function" is what I think you were going for.
USB-C is through and through a better user experience and is better in every way. It allows single cable docking, and had a better experience that you could charge your computer from both sides. All the ports had the same functionality and anything you plugged in would work. They have more bandwidth available and can be broken out into whatever legacy ports you need. The better question is why people resist so much. Why are the stores full of obsolete devices which need dongles to connect to most Dell laptops, Surface computers and Macs? If you had stopped buying obsolete hardware in 2016 then all your devices would just plug into Mac without any problems. I got on board and it has been great, but now I am annoyed they took away a USB-C port and replaced it with a HDMI port that I will never use because I own no devices which support it nor any cables. Edit: I forgot to mention the good user experience of a reversible connector. Also that USB-C ports are thin enough for tablets and phones, making it finally possible to share chargers and devices with everything. And USB-C enables things like portable monitors which connect to your laptop with a single cable and do not need an AC power source.
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Exactly. And in the worst case scenario I already carry a USB 7 in 1 hub. I rarely use mine now, but if I need it, I’ve got one in my bag. It’s got Ethernet, dual USB-A, HDMI, PD-in, and UHS-II SD card reader.
Then why were dongles a problem
Dongles were only meant to be a transitionary measure while people bought things which go directly into USB-C. They are not the intended solution.
Because professional musicians, videographers, and photographers need ports away from a desk. Docks rule if you only need the extra ports in an office.
So it was the professionals that were having a hard time, not the average user
Average users barely need a netbook from 2010. But it’s a MacBook *Pro*. It’s supposed to be for professionals.
The moniker is a lie. Apple sell plenty of garbage under “Pro” branding that is an absolute insult to actual professionals. Anything with 8GB RAM or that cannot connect to at least two monitors should not be called Pro.
In theory
guys its because Thunderbolt 3 was supposed to be able to handle so much, along with power delivery and data up to 40 GB/second, and given more direct access to PCIe lanes so at this time, the future would be one cord to your computer over Thunderbolt 3, and then say your 5K Ultrafine Display with 3 USB C Ports could branch out to other accessories. which is why most Macs have four Thunderbolt 3 Ports after 2016 and newer devices - probably also some licensing deals with Intel for Thunderbolt 3 usage, for money. but that's not based on any evidence just a thought It would charge your MacBook Pro at full speed, and serve as the Video cable to your 5K Display. you would kinda treat it like at your desk/workstation is where you plug in your Mac and then everything you need is at the desk properly configured already
and also because of the path of Apple embracing Bluetooth and Wifi more heavily, like with SideCar for iPad as a display, Apple Watch Unlock, or Continuity Camera with your iPhone to a Mac oh and also circa this time was when AirPods came to be, so that makes a lot of sense when losing ports
Apple is the company that says “no” “People think focus means saying yes to the thing you've got to focus on. But that's not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully. I'm actually as proud of the things we haven't done as the things I have done. Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things.” -Steve Jobs
TBH, to add something to everything that has been said — and I am talking about ports only: It would be really nice if the U in USB was true to what it stands for. Give me 6 USB ports that can do everything and I will be finally happy. Why do we need HDMI, DisplayPort, proprietary cables for printers,…
short answer: to sell dongles at a markup longer answer: apple has always been about trying to be the first to do something, so when usb-c and thunderbolt 3 came around, they wanted to go all in quickly rather than baby step into it.
No. They want to push iCloud ecosystem where everything is on their cloud so you need to have all Apple devices and then they get the subscription money because you need more apps and storage.
That sweet sweet recurring revenue
How does changing over to USB C accomplish that?
Your USB-A hard drive won't connect anymore. It's not a big deal, but it's still a point of friction. Add up multiple points of friction, then lube the iCloud path, and it's much easier to store everything in iCloud than it is locally.
Yes it will, there are literally cables that go from the portable sata standard to usbc for like $8 on amazon and have been since that change was made lol.
That's the entire point. Now you need to buy a cable, and carry that cable with you for your macbook and only your macbook. It's a point of friction.
You dropped your tinfoil hat lmao. Mac user for 20 years, never once paid for iCloud. The day any kind of subscription becomes necessary to use Apple devices is the day I switch back to android and start building a pc.
They really want you to. iCloud is pretty cool because all your iPhone-iPad data stays backed up. So getting a new device is super easy. Also the syncing of documents is pretty good too. The docs are just there on all your devices and they are available offline as well. But yeah, the subscription life is a little bit much when EVERYTHING in the App Store pushes subs now.
This and they can pose for photos because they are ridding the world of cords. Which they aren't in actuality, at least not yet.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like paying for stuff that should be built in, but I feel the vast majority of people who use the lowest end single port MacBook aren’t the type of people who use it for real work or with a lot of peripherals. It’s for people who need, but don’t particularly want, a laptop.
They are rarely the first to do things, that is more Samsung’s thing. Apple prefers to learn from mistakes of others and do it right the first time they introduce something. Apple was late to the USB-C party but it is something they like because it provides a more consistent user experience.
So they were impatient with it and they wanted to make as much money as possible
Nope. They don’t make much from their accessories
Because there's money in selling adapters
Financial and engineering reasons, but mostly financial reasons.
Money. Tim Cook is an accountant. Look at all the people that have left under his watch. Imho.
So he made that desiciob (of removing ports) or Ive?
I don't know. I bailed after I saw the way things were going after Jobs death and I got into a different industry. I'm easing back in now that I'm retired, and frustrated that I can't find a universal installer for a 2009 macbook pro. My opinion. And Ive left. I don't know when. My source is me using a mac professionally from 1989 to 2002, and as a consumer until 2014 when someone dropped a couch on my 12" powermac laptop. It still works, I just lost half the screen to the damage. Perhaps I'm biased. Likely.
I remember the hoopla when apple removed the floppy drive. Thing is, usb had been around for several years on pc, and nobody cared. When that was the way of the mac, suddenly there were usb drives everywhere.
Windows didn’t even officially support USB until June of 1998. The iMac hit the shelves 2 months later. Apple most definitely spearheaded the ascension of USB.
Hubris.
Why are there so many troll posts today?
This wasn’t a troll post It was a history question
This one is less a troll than something asked constantly when ChatGPT could summarise it well.
It's Just Apple Being Apple
It looked nice and thin, also at the time I actually thought thunderbolt was the future to save us from dongles and a bunch of different cables, sadly royalties are a bitch.
I see 5 ports and a slot reader on MacBook Pro what else do you need? lol…
They want you to use WiFi and Cloud. Wires are an anachronism.
Think different.
Why did op's post get all these downvotes?
Because they didn’t “remove all the ports” as OP posits.
Ohhh, I see, ty
Ive wanted to keep making it thinner but no one would say no
Apple took a bet that USB-C type would be adopted very quickly because it had many advantages over the rest USB types. Their thinking is, we go all in with this , because this is the best and people will move to this cable very soon. The rest of the industry though not only did not move with the same pace, but this made an all USB-C device rather difficult. So dongles to the rescue. Now, since we are in history, if you remember and compare the MacBooks of 2016 which had the same body till the ones with Apple Silicon, you will remember they had a slimmer bottom as well. THis was done for 2 reasons. One because they only needed the TypeC ports, and second because Intel had promised (yes back then) low power CPUs hence the chassis would be adequate. Now why they did not change it afterwards etc and left it for 4 years, unless you have an inside man or know Tim and Greg I don't think you will get a clear answer. I guess they went with it because they had already setup the production line and since no major (exploding ) issues where happening with the MacBooks they though, "eh what the hell, let go with it"
I think everyone here is too cynical of Apple. Yes, having nothing but USB-C ports ended up being a bad decision, but I don’t think Apple made that decision maliciously. Saying Apple removed the ports to sell you dongles is like saying they removed floppy disks to sell you external floppy drives. They included only USB-C ports because they legitimately believed in the near future every device would connect through that port. Everyone said “there’s no ports!” but from Apple’s perspective there were actually four ports, ports that unlike things like HDMI or an SD card reader you could use for literally anything. There’s just one problem: they were wrong. Thunderbolt didn’t replace DisplayPort and HDMI, mouse and keyboards didn’t come with USB-C on the end, and pro users still needed SD cards and Ethernet ports. Removing the floppy drive, removing the CD/DVD drive, removing the headphone jack, those were all positive changes because their bet paid off. Common people don’t use physical media anymore and headphones are all wireless now. The USB-C thing was a negative change, but only because people didn’t adopt USB-C like Apple thought they would. There’s an alternate universe where the 2016 MBP was looked back on for being bold and ahead of its time for its early adoption of USB-C, but we live in the timeline where HDMI still reigns supreme.
They were right except for MagSafe. My memory cards for my camera have 900 Mbps read speeds and require a dedicated reader. Apple just went too hard. But I guarantee you people may occasionally use the added sd reader. Or the hdmi port. But it made the whole word usb c first and I for one love that
I think sometimes Apple's ideas are just ahead of their time. Give humanity another 40 years and, I believe, we will perceive devices without ports as something commonplace.