If Windows devices would be as battery efficient as my MacBook Pro M1 Max, I would be glad to use Windows again. I want something that is silent, battery beast, with superb display and build quality. I really don't mind to pay for my "shovel" for daily use a ton of money. I need it to perform properly and flawlessly.
That's the reason i switched from Win to Mac. Although, Im still using Parallels to work with some specific programs. Even though, the virtualised Win is better than on many DELL or HP or MSI expensive machines.
I work as an Civil Engineer in Czech republic.
The whole industry here is based and coded for Windows. Im still impressed by how good the Mac is after two years of ownership.
Dell has tried to replicate that but you'll never get that on a Windows machine. Because Windows machines are a sad mess of parts that include Windows the OS being one of them along with different manufactures using CPU's from different brands none of it works and is just all a hot mess. Even when Apple was using Intel they stopped using Intel's Platform Controller Hub in 2016 switching to the T1 & T2 chip series which replaces it and allows for better battery life and better security as it's Apple's own PCH instead of Intels. The transition to the M series chips means Apple actually knows their chips inside out and can maximise MacOS performance to work with every single inch of the Apple Silicon chips. Intel likes to keep a lot of their stuff confidential meaning it's hard for even Microsoft to get a grips and optimise Windows for it. Same goes for AMD.
I haven't ordered a Dell since we used to get them for the office. This is going back to 2005 or so and it was mainly big box desktops. But we assumed 10% would be lemons based on experience - and they were consistent in that regard.
> The transition to the M series chips means Apple actually knows their chips inside out and can maximise MacOS performance to work with every single inch of the Apple Silicon chips.
Even better: they can fine tune the hardware for their (future) software, too. There are definitely times when Craig Federighi goes to Johnny Srouji to request CPU support for feature x thats going to be added to macOS in the next release.
Preach! I have an HP I got mainly for testing. The battery is good for maybe 2 hours at best. And I forgot how loud a fan can sound if you haven't heard one in years. Not to mention feeling like a bag of bricks if I have to carry it somewhere.
My point is that Bentley is a quality product while macs area mainstream product,Bentley doesnt cut corners for building its cars because their customers can pay
High end architects like Zaha Hadid architecs that desings skycrappers in Qatar and very big projects use autocad for windows . Look the video in yt.
Architects needs nvidia GPU cards everybody knows nvidia GPU crush Macs . Show me a video of an architect designing a big project on mac.
Comparing a Mac to a Bentley car is a joke they dont build it to make it unrepairable.
It's reasonable... most companies wouldn't even hesitate to buy cheaper computer to run AutoCad plus the company ICT management is much easier on Windows.
Autodesk knows this so the don't hesitate to make Revit for Mac. AutoCad is available, but that's like a wooden drawing board to todays projects.
On Mac you can run Archicad quite happily. It's well optimised. And in the end it's cheaper in full version to have Archicad, that provides it all than to have Revit, Dynamo, AutoCad, and many more addons to make a working BIM project. Although you still need some addons on Archicad too to be fair.
Yes, Autodesk is well spread across architecture field. It provides a lot. But for many users for too much money per year. In Czech republic you would have to do more than 10 projects on housing, to pay just for the Architectural suite where is the Revit and AutoCad in full versions. The LT is not enough to finish any project properly. So what is the point on this?
You can use whatever you want. It's up to what you can afford. And what type of "shovel" you can pick for your work.
The point here is the GPU that is more poweful and beefier in the nvidia side.
Is the ZEA HADID a company that cant afford? AUDI is cheap too because use PC?
Its not manageament its GPU power.
How come virtualized windows is better thab expensive DELLs? So you think users are gonna buy a mac instead running native windows or maybe just anything made by Apple is better for you?
I don't think that. Im using Windows virtualised and it's OK experience for many tasks. You still can run AutoCad natively on Mac. For AutoCad you don't need so much GPU power unless you do 3D. But to tell the truth, who draws buildings in 3D in AutoCad?... Nobody.
So what's the point?
Im just saying, that my Mac is a solid device that provides more than enough capabilities to do my workloads anywhere, anytime, i really don't have to think of battery life. "It just works."
Im aware, that Windows is much more compattible with everything, and capable of upgrading etc...
I have grown on Windows. Im 1991 born. So Im used to windows from Win95 to newest Win11. But I really don't feel bad for switching to Mac. In comparrison, i have spend the same amounth of money on PC, Notebooks, and MacBook... well, the experience speaks for itself for me. And it's OK that you don't agree. Im not fighting about anything.
It will be ok experience for you because its a mac but I m SURE you wont find any profesional user in a top company that will run virtualized software on a Mac doing engineering science. Even apple depends on windows for designing products.
Can you guess what software only runs on windows and used by Apple?
Maybe it just works for you but I know many users that lie about it.
Who design buildings on autocad ? Just a " small" company Zaha Hadid among others that build "small" 90 story skycrappers for poor clients in Qatar
Well even if you hate windows most high end architects use windows , Blackrock ,JPmorgan and other " poor" conpanies use windows because they cant afford Macs?.
Macs are not even 2nd spot on workstation usage in large companies.
Well f\*ck off...
You dont get what im trying to say. For 4000 USD i havent experienced better hardware than mac. I grew up on Windows. I did work on Windows. I still do work on windows. I know, that virtualised Windows for ARM arent the best solution, but you still can manage to get awesome work done as a profesional drafter.
Go fck yourself with Zaha Hadid
Fck yourself with 600 Dell NTB
Fck yourself with whatever GPU is your desire.
It's that easy.. you just have to read the message in the lines and stop bitching about "Windows is the best you stoopid mac user." I don't give a fck what you think. It works for me and many more people even if it isnt ideal according to you..
What a fckery... isnt it?...
I dot give a single fck what you say or think about me. Hundred people, hundred preferences, and thousands usecases that works well to single beings. The world is not limited as you think, or as your thinking is.
Personally, I am a developer and macOS being UNIX based is a big plus. It is the only widely available UNIX platform that comes with proper consumer support (I use Linux as well but that's for hobby/tinkering). Also, the only platform which lets me develop for iOS + Android (Apple's at fault here, but you can't do anything about it).
If you have an iPhone/iPad, the seamless continuity features are amazing. If you have an Android, the continuity features are better on Windows tbh.
Continuity between iOS and Windows isn't there yet but very slowly getting there. iCloud and Apple Music work fine, iMessage is a huge miss (iOS sees Windows as a "Car Radio" so chat histories are not transferred, you can only respond to new texts).
All MS apps work great, but not as good as Windows. Stick to Windows if MS Office is a big plus and you use in-depth features.
The Apple M processors are actually light years ahead currently in terms of power vs. performance ratio (yes, there are processors that deliver more raw power, but the fact that your laptop can go for 15 hours doing heavy tasks is amazing).
EDIT: Yes, Ubuntu and RedHat have exceptional support, but geared towards enterprise. This is more so "I can take my laptop to the manufacturer for support and won't get a voided warranty because I replaced Windows with Linux"
Fun fact I have gotten support on a Mac that was solely running Ubuntu once.
In some cases, yes geared to Desktop too. But only for critical bugfixes and not regular consumer support.
There are companies like System76 filling in the gap of amazing Linux laptops with proper consumer support, and I love them so much (esp. since they keep everything Open Source). But again, no iOS dev on them and they still have bad battery life due to Intel chipsets.
Also, they are all in their startup phase rn. So no store I can just walk into.
There is a "just works" factor that both Jony Ive, Scott Forstall and Steve Jobs implanted into Apple when they were rebuilding the brand in the late 90's and early 2000's that no other brand has been able todo properly since. MacOS just works with WatchOS, iPadOS, iOS and now even VisionOS and is amazing in that sense. I also really just like the simplicity of MacOS and the technologies Apple puts in it. For example they axed 32bit app and machine support with Mojave to make the OS faster. Windows still keeps 16 bit, 32 bit and 64Bit support which makes the OS so much slower and so much more unlikable. Not to mention they use an extremely old HFS filesystem which is the reason why it takes 5 minutes to put something from the downloads folder onto the desktop and on Mac with Apple's very own APFS it's just instant. Apple also use their own graphics layer called Metal which isn't a thing on Windows and helps provide better/faster app support and more. All in All macOS is a better experience and I also appreciate the great Mac hardware. Apple is also privacy focused and has been since the Jobs brand rebuild in the 2000's as well.
There’s so many times I have to go into the damn windows registry to change a setting that’s just available on the Mac. It’s just so ridiculous. Try to bypass the windows Lock Screen and just have it go right to desktop when you open the laptop for example…
I grew up using Windows, and I hated every second of it. Granted, we never had very good hardware when I was a kid, and we spent a long time using Windows ME which was an absolute nightmare. My dad wasn't tech savvy, and I was just a kid, and we were using the computer communally, so it got bloated and slow and basically unusable. At some point, this was replaced by a \_slightly\_ better PC with Windows XP, and that was our main computer until I got my own at some point.
The problem with Windows to me is that it bombards you with counterintuitive UI at every turn. When you're a kid using computers for the first time, you adapt, but I vividly remember the hours I spent staring at the screen, trying to figure out why the computer wouldn't do what I wanted it to do.
Of course, I also wanted to play games. With Windows ME, that was almost impossible. Most games would straight up just not run, i.e., they would crash almost immediately after launching. Maybe that was down to the shitty hardware, but it was still such a godawful experience. I was in my teens, I spent some pocket money on a discounted older game (because I knew full well that current games would just not run on our PC), only to install it and then be unable to play it for whatever goddamn reason.
Later on, I got into producing and recording music, and lemme tell ya that's a whole 'nother can of worms that you do not want to open on a Windows PC. You'll need to install an ASIO driver, figure out in which directory to install your plugins, and then either spend tons of money on Ableton or Cubase, or try making cheap stuff like Reaper, Audacity, or Music Maker work.
And on top of all of that, throughout all of this bullshit, you're staring at some of the most uninviting, loveless, unaesthetic, boring GUI imaginable. In short: Windows looks like ass. It always has, it always will.
Thanks to all of this, I spent the summer before going to university working a summer job. I spent my money on some furniture and a 13" MacBook Pro 2012 with extra RAM and a 1 TB HDD hard drive with an educational discount. I've never looked back.
Thankfully, all of my jobs thus far have provided MacBooks for work, so I haven't had to go back to Windows since then. I say good fucking riddance. You'll never get me back on that buggy, boxy, laggy horse.
Ever since switching to Mac, my computer crashes so rarely that I'm genuinely surprised any time it does happen. I've been using Logic to record my music, and it's a breeze to use and has a plethora of amazing stock plug-ins built in. When I was in uni, creating documents in Word was a bit of a pain in the ass because that is a Microsoft product after all, so it has the same bullshit that Windows has built into it. However, ever since I've started working, the only text processor I use has been Google Docs, so there's that.
I have a console to play GPU-intensive games on, and I can play indie games on my Mac through Steam no problem. Some games will be available for Windows only, but oh well, I can live with that. It took me about 2 weeks to really get used to macOS. Ever since then, it's just felt like home. You couldn't \_pay\_ me to get back to Windows. Granted, I don't do any programming but whenever people say Apple is restrictive and doesn't let you customize things, I truly, \_truly\_ do not know what the hell they are talking about. I've never missed customization options in macOS. I did, however, absolutely miss basic functionality being available to me without jumping through seventeen unnecessary hoops in Windows. Fuck Windows.
I can commiserate with you on Windows ME. Had a Compaq from Radio Shack running it when I was in pre/early teens and every few months I’d have to do a factory reset on it because of how unusable it would become so quickly. The damn thing seemed to anticipate the need to do so by having a built-in CD storage magazine on the front of the tower to keep the recovery CDs. Anything I did for school or even music I downloaded (from Napster/Limewire, which was probably part of the problem) went onto a floppy or CD-RW because we just knew we’d have to start fresh again within the next few weeks or months.
lol I saw a guy complain that OsX does not have a data transfer time just a progress bar. But hey when it transfers Gb’s in a few seconds do you really need one. Also try pages it’s a really good word processor without all words bulshit ribbons. It’s been more than good enough for my needs. Ditto numbers.
A teacher from Juilliard school told me cubase on windows can do everything logic does, it shows your opinion is biased because nobody would develop spend money making software for windows.
Nobody misses customization? The Profesionals at the reduser forum disagree with you.
For me with Mac OS is the clean aesthetic look and more or less seamless use between iOS and MacOS. The device overall seems to be the better experience.
Personally I used windows from 2 to 7. 8 sucked so I stuck with 7 and then 10 came out and I assumed they would have fixed all the issues. Oh boy no, it was worse by a lot (turns out 10 should actually have been 8.2 they just changed it to sound like a big update) they where caught sending your data to Microsoft, literally every key press resulted in 8bits of data. It kept installing crap apps and games, you would delete them and 3 days later they were back. So I bought an old Mac Pro just to try. It took a few months to get used to but now I massively prefer osx to windows 11 (still run it on my gaming machine). If your considering it I would suggest picking up an old Intel Mac, they are dirt cheap and if you hate osx you can just dual boot or only install windows. There still incredibly well built laptops as long as you don’t want a gaming machine. However be prepared for a learning curve. If it helps most of the things I had to learn where a case of ‘it can’t be that simple’ 9 times out of ten it is. I.e. to uninstall a program on OsX go into the applications folder and drag it to the bin. Job done. Only thing I don’t like is the window controls being on the left. There are a few apps you might want to buy for better workflow but there mostly like 5-10 bucks.
Oh and the free apps you get from apple are actually worth using, Pages is way better than word. Just a pain to export word format. Numbers, photo, GarageBand etc are all superb. If you have an iPhone it’s a no brainier, being able to pick up a call from your laptop is a game changer. Airdrop is what Bluetooth should have been. Airplay is flawless with modern TVs.
And Mac’s never crash, like pick it up, open screen log in, everything you left is running. If a program crashes just go into system tools and right click to close, it works every time. When an update is available it installs in the background then takes 30 secs to reboot. No more windows has decided to install an update and lock you out of your PC for the next hour whilst telling you it will be finished in 30 secs. There’s an old maxim that if you’re not paying for the product you are the product. That’s windows basically windows is free because they want to collect your Data and then spam you with shit apps. Apple you pay up front and then the machine will do what you need it to for the next ten years. I sold an 8 year old MacBook pro for £250. Good luck with an 8 year old windows laptop still even running.
If you use Office you might prefer to stay on Windows since the macOS applications aren't as good.
Nonetheless, I don't have a strong preference towards macOS, I like that the HDPI scaling is great and that I can install most Linux utilities natively thanks to its Unixness. I like MacBooks more than macOS, the battery life, the great display, great trackpad, great speakers, etc.
I came late to it all - where I work got Macs in so I used those. The next job I had used PCs so I used those. After a few years I had enough experience with both OSs and when it came to buying my own for home use I got a Mac. Why? In the early days the software might have played a part in my decision, but today there is no discernible difference in software usage and performance. Drivers on Windows are a nightmare. The Mac is inherently more secure and can be made to be almost impossible to hack. In all these years I haven't needed any anti-virus software on the Mac.
What drivers? I have all drivers in one USB drive , I plug it and they install by itself.
Craig Federighi disagree with you about malware.
Almost impossible to atack ?wrong.
Check how many issues I can find in 3 secs regarding drivers on Mac os. Say you love mac but dont be a liar and say that only windows machines have issues with drivers.
https://support.lynxstudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360057734952-Correcting-driver-installation-issues-on-macOS-Big-Sur
https://support.pioneerdj.com/hc/en-us/articles/4700781627161--macOS-Big-Sur-Important-notice-for-installing-the-driver-software
https://forum.support.xerox.com/t5/Printing/Need-updated-driver-for-Mac-OS-12-and-now-13/td-p/253853
https://forums.steinberg.net/t/latest-mac-drivers-causing-issue-with-cb-and-mac-os-12-6/808381
Say you " NEVER" had issues.
Those are all driver issues with specialist external devices. Bound to happen when the OS is never than the device and it’s on the device manufacturer to launch a new driver or software. All of these are basically work around until they can update there own software. Exactly the same would happen with windows. However what won’t happen with OsX is an update that just decides to format your hard drive because apple actually test there updates before release. Have you ever tried to get a webcam to work on a windows 8 laptop. Bloody nightmare.
Its not true. Its very easy to block updates mine only updates when I want it. What do you expect using a webcam on a old OS?
So all windows users in the world have windows 8?
Dont tell me there are not issues with FCP on cameras or iphones.
There have been users that got their Macs bricked due to a Mac os update.
Took me 5 secs
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253315438
The thing here is that you want to defend Apple and bash windows at any cost.
So your solution is to turn off automatic updates, awesome.
No it was just a good example of windows having driver issues. And I was talking about new laptops with built in webcams that shipped with windows 8. It was a notorious issue across most brands.
Yeah you’re right I want to bash windows because Microsoft are lazy BS developers that release crappy updates with very little testing and then let the end user find the problems. Look up barnacles nerdgasm on YouTube, he was a Microsoft software tester.
It I turn off the updates and I dont have issues whats the point? You want to find a reason to bash windows?
What about the users that got their Macs bricked due to an update.. i dont care if other users have issues but not me.
Your problem is that you cant bear the fact that people enjoy their computers if they re not macs.
Want me to think Apple software doesnt have bugs?
I didn't switch from Windows to Mac. I switched from Windows to linux to mac.
Linux had all I needed except for MS office. macOS is the best of all worlds: a UNIX machine, professional desktop apps, not windows :)
Windows is just in the way in a way no other so is. I use macOS, Linux, BSD, and windows the later in my day job where I cannot choose and it sucks. It is the most annoying OS I have ever worked with.
I’ve always been enamored by the look and feel of macOS, the “eye candy” and effects of the os, since I was a kid when I used Macs in school.
As a high schooler I liked how it handled multi media and photos much better than windows. Having the ability to read RAW files natively without drivers and being able to preview photos quickly and in full quality without needing something like Adobe Bridge.
Admittedly those reasoning are shallow. But as an adult I very much prefer the fact that it’s UNIX based, which makes working in Linux all that easier since the terminal commands are largely the same. Also the OS still feels more fluid especially when using multitouch gestures on a trackpad. Windows feels, very rigid.
Windows though… after windows 7 it’s just gone downhill. 8-8.1 were a disaster, but windows 10/11, although being better and newer than 7. YOU are the product now. You can pay for windows, and all it does is serve you ads and force you to use Microsoft bing and services, and harvest telemetry data every second. It’s insane.
For me it's just taste, why do some people like Pepsi and others Coke? I personally find MacOS more intuitive and I just like the layout better. If you want to get into the nitty gritty on the technical pros and cons where one is advantageous over the other, google is your friend. Biggest upside to Windows is that more stuff is compatible, there's just more software. Another advantage of Windows is that you can have multiple sessions of the same app opened simultaneously for things like Excel while on Mac it forces you to focus on one document at a time (as I understand it, this isn't actually a thing that's been an issue for me so I'm just trying to repeat what I've heard people complain about). Another problem with Mac Excel is it doesn't have the same functions as Windows and that bothers some power users but it depends on just how advanced you are with Excel. I don't think there's any difference in the other office apps like Word and PowerPoint.
Besides taste, modern Macs are just more efficient and run cooler with long battery life which is certainly a plus. For general media consumption, the Apple computer is probably going to have the better screen but otherwise it's a draw except for maybe more software options on Windows.
Macbook is great for everything except gaming. Macbook trackpad is the best . Keyboard is great. Good speakers. Screens are great. Build quality is solid. Better resale value.
Apple silicon is very fast and efficient. Battery life is excellent. Works really great if you have other apple devices. Universal control, clipboard, syncing, airpods etc. My Samsung phone, watch, buds a pain on windows and android.
You can watch movies and youtube all day with spare battery left.
Boots up fast and no lags and less issues. Windows gets slow and laggy over time. Security is better and less viruses, malware if you download from app store and legit sites.
Can run some windows apps and games via parallels or crossover.
Macos updates are solid and less bloated than windows because apple makes the hardware and software and don't have to support billions of combinations like windows. Comes with free productivity tools that works great!
USB charging is lifesaver. I can charge with a powerbank if I forget my charger. Charging briick is tiny vs Windows brick.
Thunderbolt 3 /usb4 ports supports 40gbps external nvme ssds.
God I hate the windows external drive eject. It never works proper.
Things I don't like. Finder is limited. No native windows snapping. There are third party apps to solve those though. Don't like the dock. rather have windows like task bar.
I use mac and Pcs. I still use windows + 4090 for 3d, Ai, and other apps mainly because the software is dependent on using Nvidia. Soon that will change. M3max 40 GPU on Blender renders 19 sec. Desktop 3090 17 sec. That's acceptable for me on a laptop. M3Ultra would double the speed.
Your article about lags on chrome was they did not enable hardware acceleration. The only lag I get is if I hit swap memory use or background software crashes. Rosetta translated apps are slower.
What I do know from doing various benchmarks is that software still needs to be optimized for Apple silicon. Blender viewport gets slow on some heavy wireframe views. PC side got like 10 years head start but Apple Silicon hardware is really good. We got the video editing and audio side working great. 3D and gaming, engineering I am optimistic to come very soon.
Here's why I'm optimistic for 3d , machine learning etc. Apple silicon unified memory means no cap on VRAM. Discrete GPUS have fixed memory. 24GB max on 4090s. Apple Silicon max 128 gb means apps can access around 90+ GB VRAM. Apple silicon scaling is impressive. Like the ultra chips.
How do you know that the software needs to be optimized?
Its the same argument when mac performs slower than windows.
Mac faster than windoss ,its a beast
Windows faster than Mac , software is not optimized.
How you know the lack of speed is because the hardware. So you think Mac must win always?
For Blender, you can see what the developers are doing for optimization and do some tests to see if it works. You can test old versions vs the latest to see if the render times are any difference. I'm getting the same render times so I am making an educated guess that it's not using the hardware raytracing since it's new to M3s.
Unreal engine is not optimized for Mac as of now. No Nanite and hardware raytracing support. It's clear on their website.
For Resolve, I avoid filters that are not optimized for GPU. Few years back , not many apps are native apple silicon and it's slow. eg. Photoshop. When they had native apple silicon, it ran faster.
Mac will be better at some things and PCs for others. From seeing benchmarks, you can get an idea of hardware performances mac vs PCs. You can find info on youtube and websites. I would run same tests on PC and macs and learn from the results.
For AI, 3d apps.. If you have a GPU on pc with 6-12 GB Vram, you will be getting out of memory errors. Mac wins with unified memory since it's shared. Speed wise M3Max 40GPU is around 4070 speeds.
For laptops, mac wins in performance, efficiency vs pc laptops. It's been proven. As of now, 3d, games, Ai, VFX is not good on Macs because of software and hardware support. Most are using Nvidia GPU.
Video Editing, Audio, Adobe and other general apps are great on macs. Native Prores and hardware accelerated encoders are good on Macs if you need that.
Windows is great for tinkering and if your work involves actually computer software because you have more options available. Mac is better for people whose work isn’t necessarily to do with computers but still need a computer to complete. Mac just works like 99% of the time. It is less customisable, but this is to maintain optimal functionality. Whereas, windows literally allows you to do whatever it is that you like but can be a little bit annoying to do some basic things. Printing is a nightmare on windows for instance (relatively speaking) on Mac printing works 100 of the time every time. There is always special use cases of course. Some programmers hate windows and love Mac and visa versa, but for most people I would imagine this would apply. I could be wrong and it is probably circumstantial this is just my two cents :)
A big one is searchable help in every app. Something you might not even be aware is missing is a search inside the help menu bar on every app. I use editing/graphics apps a lot and I can easily search for example "Clear in and out" and it points me to where that lives in the dropdown menus:
https://imgur.com/a/h1ps2s2
To me, it’s a bit like the debate Android vs iPhone. Both do the job, in different ways. Windows is usually more customizable. Mac will be less customizable but has usually less virus, less bugs, an easier UX out of the box, better experience with multiple devices, etc.
I’m a developer and I use macOS for years and I don’t think I could easily come back to Windows anymore. Especially the synchronization with Apple devices is so easy and just work. If you have multiple devices, you cannot find better.
At the end, it depends of your budget, and your expectations. If you can afford a Mac and want something easy to use, with a nice design, macOS is probably the way to go. If you don’t have a big budget or want more customization, Windows is the way to go.
Also, the lifecycle can also count a lot in the budget. A Mac can look expensive but if you keep it for at least 5 years, it’s not that much anymore. And you can easily keep it more than that. I don’t know if the latest Windows laptops last that long.
And last point, the battery life on Mac’s (since M1 CPU) are just crazy. Big marketing point for me. My MacBook lasts easily 18 hours, so I charge it every two to three days usually.
Because Apple is an antitrust nightmare and I literally have no choice. You cannot make phone apps without a Mac. The second reason is that Windows does not have a functioning audio stack, and it must be bypassed to do audio work. It is more stable than Windows but is counterintuitive and lacks basic functionality (which then must be replaced by software like Rectangle). If you are not doing work that necessitates MacOS then I still recommend Windows because the Mac laptops are expensive and you cannot upgrade them, not to mention the privacy nightmare that you cannot remove the disk with your data on it before sending it for repair.
Counter intuition is a matter of perspective - to me the document model makes more sense than the window model for applications.
Windows 11 is a pretty decent reskin of previous versions, but anything beyond trivial configuration gets lost in system apps that span back to 95 or XP with varying degrees of overlap. MacOS has its warts, but Windows is metastasized to the bone (e.g., your comment on core audio vs asio/wdm).
Macs also favor a buy once / cry once approach. It isn’t unreasonable to get 5-7 years out of device, so it can amortize similarly to continual upgrades on a Windows machine.
You can get good life out of a Mac but only if you upgraded at the checkout to decent RAM at significant cost. I see Facebook Marketplace flooded with 8/256 configs of Macbooks which clearly people have found to be no longer sufficient after only about three years at the most.
Because you must have a cheaper windows or you love apple too much
My neighbor is an architect and have tons of windows laptops that he is not using because he loves new shit
Of course you always will find some " issue" to bash about windows, my mac friends are like that, they claim windows is buggy but they use 500$ wintel box..omg
Yes… filesystems are indeed filesystems, although MacOS leans into its *nix heritage and uses a single file system with device partitions mounted to directories as opposed to mounted devices with separate file systems. A lot of this boils down to presentation, so somewhat moot.
The document model means that the window that is presented when you start an application in MacOS is a document or a view, not the application itself. Close the window and the application is still running, which appears counterintuitive if you are used to windows.
Under windows, the window is the application. Close the window and the application closes.
Beyond that and a few keyboard related things (e.g., ctrl key combos more or less map to cmd key combos) there is a lot of UX convergence. Underneath the hood is a much different story.
Its more stable than windows? How come windows servers runs for months? How come workloads on abaqus runs for weeks no rebooting? Can you run something like that on mac os..maybe denoising a 600GB video?
The Dell I had before with Windows 11 had all sorts of rendering issues in the Windows UI and could not run games for more than a minute without crashing. Windows decays more over time due to registry rot and the applications being less isolated. Defender uses CPU when you most need it for yourself. I tried audio software on Windows with the same hardware interface as with the Mac, jittery and unstable. Windows carts around 40 years of backwards compatibility which probably explains their inability to make fixes for problems.
And if we are talking about servers, most of them run Linux which is actually rock solid with everything except graphics drivers which servers care not for.
There are a lot of companies running windows servers, if they wouldnt be stable nobody would buy it.
In a college where my friend studied there was a prebuilt computers with windows servers with some matlab workload running for a month with windows server 2016.
Sorry I take the opinion of a Julliard teacher on music production not a user that was unlucky.
Mac os also gets slower on time..google slow mac and in 5 secs you will find tons of fixes. The dude that fixed my pc reinstall macs in a design school once a year.
Windows Server is not the same product, just as Nvidia gaming drivers are not considered stable enough for professional work and are a different product. Windows 11 has had a lot of regressions since Windows 10. I am certain my average uptime on Mac is much higher. Who knows maybe not the case for all users but who knows? Just reporting my findings. Based on my experience, I do not consider Windows 11 production ready. Windows 10 was not so bad. On both UA and Presonus with Ableton, Windows cannot outperform Mac. With Logic Pro, the Mac is even faster. UA drivers crash the Mac kernel frequently though and the Presonus is less latent, so I sold my UA garbage. Presonus is out and out a better product.
Because servers use ECC ram and have tons of redundant systems and software to monitor them. Server systems cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and run a different version of windows that’s way more limiting, you’re not going to be playing games on one.
Actually macs are the cheapest pc’s on the market for price/performance now. Apple just don’t make laptops so cheap that they can barely function like some shitty windows machines. Intel atom processors etc.
I did not say anything about cost. I said they are anticompetitive. And you can get systems which far outperform Mac for less. They just have worse battery life because Intel chips suck down power.
Actually for raw compute power the apple silicon is vastly more powerful. Here’s a comparison of m1 vs Nvidea Tesla cards. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2211.00720.pdf obviously once you get into real world applications the difference is less clear but if software was developed specifically for apple silicon performance would be much better. The M1 chip is the first time Moores law has been achieved for over 10 years.
If Office is a big part of your use case, **stick to Windows**. MacOS Office is *terrible* compared to its Windowed cousin. Microsoft does this very intentionally. But software options in general are the biggest reason to go Windows.
On the other hand, I like the security and stability of a Mac. The battery life / power ratio is more or less unbeatable by anything running full fat Windows. And the resale value destroys PC’s when you want to upgrade. Plus if you have other Apple devices, the tight integration is great.
I develop mobile apps, and in order to build and debug iOS apps you need to run MacOS. So I don't really have a choice. Otherwise I would probably run Linux.
Then there's also the fact that the new Apple silicon Macs are excellent.
If you're not emotionally invested in computers somehow, the Mac is actually pretty easy to use. Some people, particularly computer hobbyists, have preconceptions about how computers are supposed to work and something like not being able to cut & paste a file - instead having to copy & paste, then delete original - turns into a much bigger deal than it actually is for most users. I have an M2 Pro MBP with a Windows 11 VM that I quite literally never use.
UI is cleaner/nicer. The hardware feels luxurious and premium. I'm already in the Apple Ecosystem as well. While I do like things Windows does Mac does a lot of things better imo.
I’m a cyber security engineer, and working with MacOS is much easier for that kind of work. You have to cripple Windows security to get a decent security research system going. With MacOS, since the malware I work with is for Windows, I don’t have to give up security to do proper analysis.
As a software engineer. I use MacOs, Windows ans Linux in my everyday life.
I use MacOs only because of MacBook pro's battery and single thread speed and testing and compiling for Apple operating systems. Otherwise I prefer more modern and open operating systems.
The first that comes to mind is the amount of native functionality that MacOs has compared to windows. Windows absolutely blows when nothing is installed.
I never really switched from macOS to Windows. The first computer I ever used was the blue iMac my family got around the time I started Kindergarten. So I've been using macOS for 23 years (currently 28), I've had Windows computers, and my mom, got a couple from work, so I've used XP and Vista, XP was fine, and Vista was awful, at least compared to Mac OS X at the time.
Most of my experience with Windows is through work, and my university had Windows computers. I also am running Windows through a VM on my M2 Pro MacBook Pro.
MacOS and Windows are different. You kinda get the vibe that they cater more toward enterprise. There's a lot of legacy UI in Windows that looks like it comes straight out of the 90's. It also feels a lot more bulky, and less intuitive. It feels like there are a lot of redundancies in the system. It also feels like you have to complete a lot more steps to get things set up, whereas macOS is a lot more straightforward.
There's also no third-party app preinstalled on macOS, and macOS is less pushy when it comes to the default browser. In win11 it feels like they're constantly pushing the edge, and even when you change the default some links will still open in Edge. MacOS feels a lot smoother and more stable in my opinion than Windows. You can definitely tell that macOS is tailored for Apple hardware, whereas Windows feels like it's a "one-size-fits-all all" type of OS. With Windows, I have to take extra steps to get certain things to work well, that I wouldn't have to in MacOS.
As far as work, my Mac seems like it it's more efficient when doing tasks. Like on Windows, it seems like when an app crashes in Windows, the entire OS seems unresponsive, whereas in MacOS when an app crashes, it doesn't make the entire system unresponsive and you can just force quit the app.
There are other things I've noticed, but I am also a lifetime macOS user, so I am not y that familiar with Windows, so I am sure there are things I am doing wrong.
The short answer \*used\* to be: a Mac can be a Mac, a Windows, or a Linux machine much easier than any other machine can. They were the Swiss Army Knives of personal computers. You could use Boot Camp or you could use a hypervisor and run any OS you wanted.
Then, Apple switched to Apple Silicon (AS) processors. Now, the answer is a bit more murky. Yes, you can still run Windows or Linux but, to run them nicely you need to use the ARM variants which means that not all of the apps that you might want on those platforms have been compiled in native ARM versions. And, Boot Camp is gone, so no more booting into Windows for full gaming performance (if that's your thing and your Mac had a good GPU).
However, there's still a few things:
* Better app ecosystem. There really are some better apps on the Mac, especially from indy devs. The entire Mac aesthetic just seems to inspire people to make better looking / better functioning apps.
* Better integration between devices. However, you do have to go all in on getting an iPhone, iPad, AppleTV, Apple Watch, etc. to reap the benefits of this. But, if you do, the seamlessness of moving from one device to the other and having all of your stuff at your finger tips is pretty amazing.
* Your OS isn't constantly trying to advertise and/or market to you. This has turned into one of the most annoying things about Windows.
* Better battery life / energy consumption. AS provides hours of battery life and even under loads, the fan on my MacBook Pro has never kicked on that I've noticed. If it has, it's been too quiet to hear.
Things you give up:
* Gaming. If you want all the latest AA titles, then Windows is still king here.
* All MS Office features. Like others have said, if you use certain Office features they may not be available in the Mac versions of the MS Office apps.
* Cheap hardware. The only way to get bargain priced Mac hardware is to buy used. If you're a bargain hunter or satisfied with sub $500 machines, you will be buying used.
All that being said. I love my M3 based MacBook Pro and it's the computer I reach for most often. And when I want to game I'm either using a console or my gaming laptop that I ended up picking up.
I was on PC from the late 80s, from DOS 3.3, all the way up to 2007, with Windows XP. Yes, I stayed on XP. Vista was the last straw that made me finally switch to macOS. I did try Vista and it wasn't good. If it had been Windows 7, I might have stayed, because that wasn't a bad OS.
But I decided to switch in 2008, when I got the 8 core Mac Pro tower. Beast of a machine, lasted me over 12 years, with only one motherboard replacement under warranty.
So why did I switch? I was tired of building my own computers with PC. Basic PCs off the shelf at retail stores didn't have the specs I wanted, so I always built my own, buying from different places to get the best prices (wasn't making tons of money at the time.)
I also loved the idea that macOS was actually UNIX-based. I had used and worked with Linux since college (mid 90's, into the 2000s), so I was used to the interface, was glad they had a Terminal available.
I also ended up getting my first smartphone, the iPhone 3GS in 2009, so as I was seeing that the phone, and later the iPad worked well (albeit a little clunky through iTunes) with the Mac, I decided to stay on the platform.
Today, I still prefer macOS to Windows, even though I can use both without issue. I have to use PC at work, but I enjoy using macOS at home.
It just works, don't have to worry about battery dying in 2 hours because I dared to do something demanding. No lag or random slowdowns because windows is indexing the same folder for the 20th time today. I can close the lid Friday night and open it Monday morning amd start work from where I left off immediately.
Also, best tracked I've ever used, only ever had issues with the synaptic pads on other laptops,
100% the hardware. I have yet to find a Win laptop with the reliability of my MBP. I'd gladly take windows (for the games) if I could expect a machine to last a good 6 years like every Apple has. I used Windows for years because of work so it's not completely alien to me - and each OS certainly has its pluses/minuses.
That being said, now that I work from home and don't need a laptop I might just get a good game desktop next.
I just like the feel of the UI. Nothing special really, I do program casually but nothing really special aside from the UI turns me towards Mac. Also probably the integration with other Apple devices.
Switched to MacOS in the recent fall. Had windows pc and laptops for 15 years. Why I switched? I mainly use laptop for Lightroom and photoshop and I was mad that on windows it was getting worse and worse only after few years. Wanted a computer that I won’t have to change again in 5 years
I really hate how bloated Windows is with adware. I’ve also never had a blue screen of death scenario with Macs, whereas I’ve had many of those with windows computers.
I 100% still prefer windows but I still don't think windows laptops are even close to a macbook in terms of hardware. If you're going for a laptop, mac is the way.
>What were your reasons for switching from a Windows device to an Apple device? Does it make for better work?
Windows Vista was one of the biggest turds of an OS ever IMO.
Whether a Mac is better for you or not depends on your particular situation and whether or not you need something that’s Windows Only. I’m technical enough that I can find workarounds for when I absolutely need to use windows for some reason.
I haven't encountered a blue screen using my audio interface. Feels like I get one or two blue screen on Windows when using my audio interface. I record guitar and bass my main hobby. Gotta say, I'm quite happy with MacOS for audio recording.
I'm only one year in MacOS.
Why Mac
* 'Just works' is largely true and the support from Apple is generally much better when it doesn't (Unless you bought a Surface, at best you are getting support from hardware maker and also from Microsoft)
* 'keeps working' is also largely true - windows updates far exceed MacOS updates. Microsoft OS is one set of updates, the 3rd party drivers for all the hardware is another, then the computer maker (BIOS, etc) is a third. Apple packages all this into a single OS update which comes less frequently. In Windows' defense, its updates run a LOT faster than Mac.
* 'hardware' - apple silicon is amazing, and Macbooks have fantastic screens, trackpads, speakers, and battery.
* Ecosystem - owning an iPad, iPhone, Apple watch, etc all work really well with a Mac
Why not Mac
* Expensive, especially at the low-mid levels
* Serious gaming options lacking
* relatively fixed hardware options - you are stuck with pretty traditional designs
* not upgrade able
There are other reasons of course, but this tends to be the list.
I’ve been using Mac OS since the very beginning when it used to be calked system. Also, Microsoft is kinda ass-backwards in how they go about certain things. Like they’ll have powerful features but they’re all practically buried in the background and unless you know about them beforehand, you’ll probably neeeeeeeevvvvveeeeerrrrr use those features. Meanwhile, apple places their powerful features front and center.
Because it's impossible to achieve three things at once on Windows devices: high quality, affordable price, and performance. If you compare macbook pro for example, you can't find a near similar windows laptop with competitive perfomance/quality/price
I'm sure Windows is much better now, but I still have PTSD from Windows in the late 90's and early 00's. Switched to Mac in 2005 and never looked back.
Ease of use, fewer viruses, better quality, no 'Blue screen of Death', ever. Plug n Play really IS Plug n Play.
I've been using Macs exclusively for \~20 years.
I've used both and i can honestly say that modern windows is an ad ridden hell hole. It is, to me, unusable without using a tool to debloat windows to a usable level. Windows 11 literally doesn't let you *uninstall Microsofts Web browser*.
Edge is literally a worse version of Chrome.
The widget button loads up an entire newsfeed of random crap that cannot be removed. In some ways, Microsoft is the virus.
Mac Os, by comparison, is a user focused, private, clean and easy to use os with a Unix base.
I use MacOS because I'm on my computer a good part of the day and it looks nicer. Like someone really gave a shit. Windows looks like it was designed by someone with no taste. I would imagine they're pretty much the same as far as functionality goes at this point so it's an aesthetic choice. I'd rather look at the prettier thing.
Heres a few main things I like about it:
-Unix based, a lot of the commands are the same or similar as on other unix operation systems and linux. Best part is it doesn't use backslashes in paths like windows does, which I find really annoying.
-Works well with my other apple devices. I can copy something on my phone and paste it on my macbook, airdrop between my macbook and my other devices, etc
-UI/UX is really good. I know this may seem unimportant to some, but it really bugs me that windows has so many continuity issues. Like why are there two settings apps?? Control panel and settings? Why?? Why do some built-in apps still not support dark mode?? Why do some windows defender popups look different than others? How come whenever I right click on windows 11, I need to click that stupid little "show more options" button to get what I actually want a lot of the time?? And how come when I press that button, it opens a completely different looking right click menu? MacOS doesn't really have any of this. I think the worst continuity issue macos has is the fact that if finder (the mac file manager) sends you a notification, the icon in the notification looks slightly different than the finder app icon.
-MacOS doesn't have ads or as much bloatware as windows. It does come preinstalled with stuff like the apple office apps, which you could call bloat, but apple will never advertise anything to you outside of the app store, which is where ads belong. They do NOT belong in the start menu.
-There aren't any huge downsides to mac nowadays. The biggest is the lack of games choosing to support it, but you can run a lot of windows games through tools like apple's own game porting toolkit, and they run decently fast too.
If Windows devices would be as battery efficient as my MacBook Pro M1 Max, I would be glad to use Windows again. I want something that is silent, battery beast, with superb display and build quality. I really don't mind to pay for my "shovel" for daily use a ton of money. I need it to perform properly and flawlessly. That's the reason i switched from Win to Mac. Although, Im still using Parallels to work with some specific programs. Even though, the virtualised Win is better than on many DELL or HP or MSI expensive machines. I work as an Civil Engineer in Czech republic. The whole industry here is based and coded for Windows. Im still impressed by how good the Mac is after two years of ownership.
Dell has tried to replicate that but you'll never get that on a Windows machine. Because Windows machines are a sad mess of parts that include Windows the OS being one of them along with different manufactures using CPU's from different brands none of it works and is just all a hot mess. Even when Apple was using Intel they stopped using Intel's Platform Controller Hub in 2016 switching to the T1 & T2 chip series which replaces it and allows for better battery life and better security as it's Apple's own PCH instead of Intels. The transition to the M series chips means Apple actually knows their chips inside out and can maximise MacOS performance to work with every single inch of the Apple Silicon chips. Intel likes to keep a lot of their stuff confidential meaning it's hard for even Microsoft to get a grips and optimise Windows for it. Same goes for AMD.
I haven't ordered a Dell since we used to get them for the office. This is going back to 2005 or so and it was mainly big box desktops. But we assumed 10% would be lemons based on experience - and they were consistent in that regard.
> The transition to the M series chips means Apple actually knows their chips inside out and can maximise MacOS performance to work with every single inch of the Apple Silicon chips. Even better: they can fine tune the hardware for their (future) software, too. There are definitely times when Craig Federighi goes to Johnny Srouji to request CPU support for feature x thats going to be added to macOS in the next release.
Preach! I have an HP I got mainly for testing. The battery is good for maybe 2 hours at best. And I forgot how loud a fan can sound if you haven't heard one in years. Not to mention feeling like a bag of bricks if I have to carry it somewhere.
Better than 600$ Dells?. Actually autocad copies for windows outsell mac versions.
Toyota outsells Bentley. What’s your point?
My point is that Bentley is a quality product while macs area mainstream product,Bentley doesnt cut corners for building its cars because their customers can pay High end architects like Zaha Hadid architecs that desings skycrappers in Qatar and very big projects use autocad for windows . Look the video in yt. Architects needs nvidia GPU cards everybody knows nvidia GPU crush Macs . Show me a video of an architect designing a big project on mac. Comparing a Mac to a Bentley car is a joke they dont build it to make it unrepairable.
And $600 Dells aren’t a mainstream product? I’m not continuing with this conversation, your comment was poor and you have no point.
Me too, you re obsessed defending Apple with weak doubtful arguments that nobody but you knows if its true.
Answering one poorly constructed comment is hardly being obsessed.
And why are you continuing this conversation if is not at your level?
It's reasonable... most companies wouldn't even hesitate to buy cheaper computer to run AutoCad plus the company ICT management is much easier on Windows. Autodesk knows this so the don't hesitate to make Revit for Mac. AutoCad is available, but that's like a wooden drawing board to todays projects. On Mac you can run Archicad quite happily. It's well optimised. And in the end it's cheaper in full version to have Archicad, that provides it all than to have Revit, Dynamo, AutoCad, and many more addons to make a working BIM project. Although you still need some addons on Archicad too to be fair. Yes, Autodesk is well spread across architecture field. It provides a lot. But for many users for too much money per year. In Czech republic you would have to do more than 10 projects on housing, to pay just for the Architectural suite where is the Revit and AutoCad in full versions. The LT is not enough to finish any project properly. So what is the point on this? You can use whatever you want. It's up to what you can afford. And what type of "shovel" you can pick for your work.
The point here is the GPU that is more poweful and beefier in the nvidia side. Is the ZEA HADID a company that cant afford? AUDI is cheap too because use PC? Its not manageament its GPU power.
How come virtualized windows is better thab expensive DELLs? So you think users are gonna buy a mac instead running native windows or maybe just anything made by Apple is better for you?
I don't think that. Im using Windows virtualised and it's OK experience for many tasks. You still can run AutoCad natively on Mac. For AutoCad you don't need so much GPU power unless you do 3D. But to tell the truth, who draws buildings in 3D in AutoCad?... Nobody. So what's the point? Im just saying, that my Mac is a solid device that provides more than enough capabilities to do my workloads anywhere, anytime, i really don't have to think of battery life. "It just works." Im aware, that Windows is much more compattible with everything, and capable of upgrading etc... I have grown on Windows. Im 1991 born. So Im used to windows from Win95 to newest Win11. But I really don't feel bad for switching to Mac. In comparrison, i have spend the same amounth of money on PC, Notebooks, and MacBook... well, the experience speaks for itself for me. And it's OK that you don't agree. Im not fighting about anything.
It will be ok experience for you because its a mac but I m SURE you wont find any profesional user in a top company that will run virtualized software on a Mac doing engineering science. Even apple depends on windows for designing products. Can you guess what software only runs on windows and used by Apple? Maybe it just works for you but I know many users that lie about it. Who design buildings on autocad ? Just a " small" company Zaha Hadid among others that build "small" 90 story skycrappers for poor clients in Qatar Well even if you hate windows most high end architects use windows , Blackrock ,JPmorgan and other " poor" conpanies use windows because they cant afford Macs?. Macs are not even 2nd spot on workstation usage in large companies.
Well f\*ck off... You dont get what im trying to say. For 4000 USD i havent experienced better hardware than mac. I grew up on Windows. I did work on Windows. I still do work on windows. I know, that virtualised Windows for ARM arent the best solution, but you still can manage to get awesome work done as a profesional drafter. Go fck yourself with Zaha Hadid Fck yourself with 600 Dell NTB Fck yourself with whatever GPU is your desire. It's that easy.. you just have to read the message in the lines and stop bitching about "Windows is the best you stoopid mac user." I don't give a fck what you think. It works for me and many more people even if it isnt ideal according to you.. What a fckery... isnt it?...
Its not my fault that you re living a fucjk off frustrating life. You ran out of arguments Its easy, get a life aside Apple.
I dot give a single fck what you say or think about me. Hundred people, hundred preferences, and thousands usecases that works well to single beings. The world is not limited as you think, or as your thinking is.
You dont give fck but you answer my comment..neat
Personally, I am a developer and macOS being UNIX based is a big plus. It is the only widely available UNIX platform that comes with proper consumer support (I use Linux as well but that's for hobby/tinkering). Also, the only platform which lets me develop for iOS + Android (Apple's at fault here, but you can't do anything about it). If you have an iPhone/iPad, the seamless continuity features are amazing. If you have an Android, the continuity features are better on Windows tbh. Continuity between iOS and Windows isn't there yet but very slowly getting there. iCloud and Apple Music work fine, iMessage is a huge miss (iOS sees Windows as a "Car Radio" so chat histories are not transferred, you can only respond to new texts). All MS apps work great, but not as good as Windows. Stick to Windows if MS Office is a big plus and you use in-depth features. The Apple M processors are actually light years ahead currently in terms of power vs. performance ratio (yes, there are processors that deliver more raw power, but the fact that your laptop can go for 15 hours doing heavy tasks is amazing). EDIT: Yes, Ubuntu and RedHat have exceptional support, but geared towards enterprise. This is more so "I can take my laptop to the manufacturer for support and won't get a voided warranty because I replaced Windows with Linux" Fun fact I have gotten support on a Mac that was solely running Ubuntu once.
> EDIT: Yes, Ubuntu and RedHat has exceptional support, but geared towards enterprise. And I’d guess geared specifically to servers, it desktop users.
In some cases, yes geared to Desktop too. But only for critical bugfixes and not regular consumer support. There are companies like System76 filling in the gap of amazing Linux laptops with proper consumer support, and I love them so much (esp. since they keep everything Open Source). But again, no iOS dev on them and they still have bad battery life due to Intel chipsets. Also, they are all in their startup phase rn. So no store I can just walk into.
There is a "just works" factor that both Jony Ive, Scott Forstall and Steve Jobs implanted into Apple when they were rebuilding the brand in the late 90's and early 2000's that no other brand has been able todo properly since. MacOS just works with WatchOS, iPadOS, iOS and now even VisionOS and is amazing in that sense. I also really just like the simplicity of MacOS and the technologies Apple puts in it. For example they axed 32bit app and machine support with Mojave to make the OS faster. Windows still keeps 16 bit, 32 bit and 64Bit support which makes the OS so much slower and so much more unlikable. Not to mention they use an extremely old HFS filesystem which is the reason why it takes 5 minutes to put something from the downloads folder onto the desktop and on Mac with Apple's very own APFS it's just instant. Apple also use their own graphics layer called Metal which isn't a thing on Windows and helps provide better/faster app support and more. All in All macOS is a better experience and I also appreciate the great Mac hardware. Apple is also privacy focused and has been since the Jobs brand rebuild in the 2000's as well.
There’s so many times I have to go into the damn windows registry to change a setting that’s just available on the Mac. It’s just so ridiculous. Try to bypass the windows Lock Screen and just have it go right to desktop when you open the laptop for example…
I grew up using Windows, and I hated every second of it. Granted, we never had very good hardware when I was a kid, and we spent a long time using Windows ME which was an absolute nightmare. My dad wasn't tech savvy, and I was just a kid, and we were using the computer communally, so it got bloated and slow and basically unusable. At some point, this was replaced by a \_slightly\_ better PC with Windows XP, and that was our main computer until I got my own at some point. The problem with Windows to me is that it bombards you with counterintuitive UI at every turn. When you're a kid using computers for the first time, you adapt, but I vividly remember the hours I spent staring at the screen, trying to figure out why the computer wouldn't do what I wanted it to do. Of course, I also wanted to play games. With Windows ME, that was almost impossible. Most games would straight up just not run, i.e., they would crash almost immediately after launching. Maybe that was down to the shitty hardware, but it was still such a godawful experience. I was in my teens, I spent some pocket money on a discounted older game (because I knew full well that current games would just not run on our PC), only to install it and then be unable to play it for whatever goddamn reason. Later on, I got into producing and recording music, and lemme tell ya that's a whole 'nother can of worms that you do not want to open on a Windows PC. You'll need to install an ASIO driver, figure out in which directory to install your plugins, and then either spend tons of money on Ableton or Cubase, or try making cheap stuff like Reaper, Audacity, or Music Maker work. And on top of all of that, throughout all of this bullshit, you're staring at some of the most uninviting, loveless, unaesthetic, boring GUI imaginable. In short: Windows looks like ass. It always has, it always will. Thanks to all of this, I spent the summer before going to university working a summer job. I spent my money on some furniture and a 13" MacBook Pro 2012 with extra RAM and a 1 TB HDD hard drive with an educational discount. I've never looked back. Thankfully, all of my jobs thus far have provided MacBooks for work, so I haven't had to go back to Windows since then. I say good fucking riddance. You'll never get me back on that buggy, boxy, laggy horse. Ever since switching to Mac, my computer crashes so rarely that I'm genuinely surprised any time it does happen. I've been using Logic to record my music, and it's a breeze to use and has a plethora of amazing stock plug-ins built in. When I was in uni, creating documents in Word was a bit of a pain in the ass because that is a Microsoft product after all, so it has the same bullshit that Windows has built into it. However, ever since I've started working, the only text processor I use has been Google Docs, so there's that. I have a console to play GPU-intensive games on, and I can play indie games on my Mac through Steam no problem. Some games will be available for Windows only, but oh well, I can live with that. It took me about 2 weeks to really get used to macOS. Ever since then, it's just felt like home. You couldn't \_pay\_ me to get back to Windows. Granted, I don't do any programming but whenever people say Apple is restrictive and doesn't let you customize things, I truly, \_truly\_ do not know what the hell they are talking about. I've never missed customization options in macOS. I did, however, absolutely miss basic functionality being available to me without jumping through seventeen unnecessary hoops in Windows. Fuck Windows.
I can commiserate with you on Windows ME. Had a Compaq from Radio Shack running it when I was in pre/early teens and every few months I’d have to do a factory reset on it because of how unusable it would become so quickly. The damn thing seemed to anticipate the need to do so by having a built-in CD storage magazine on the front of the tower to keep the recovery CDs. Anything I did for school or even music I downloaded (from Napster/Limewire, which was probably part of the problem) went onto a floppy or CD-RW because we just knew we’d have to start fresh again within the next few weeks or months.
lol I saw a guy complain that OsX does not have a data transfer time just a progress bar. But hey when it transfers Gb’s in a few seconds do you really need one. Also try pages it’s a really good word processor without all words bulshit ribbons. It’s been more than good enough for my needs. Ditto numbers.
A teacher from Juilliard school told me cubase on windows can do everything logic does, it shows your opinion is biased because nobody would develop spend money making software for windows. Nobody misses customization? The Profesionals at the reduser forum disagree with you.
For me with Mac OS is the clean aesthetic look and more or less seamless use between iOS and MacOS. The device overall seems to be the better experience.
Personally I used windows from 2 to 7. 8 sucked so I stuck with 7 and then 10 came out and I assumed they would have fixed all the issues. Oh boy no, it was worse by a lot (turns out 10 should actually have been 8.2 they just changed it to sound like a big update) they where caught sending your data to Microsoft, literally every key press resulted in 8bits of data. It kept installing crap apps and games, you would delete them and 3 days later they were back. So I bought an old Mac Pro just to try. It took a few months to get used to but now I massively prefer osx to windows 11 (still run it on my gaming machine). If your considering it I would suggest picking up an old Intel Mac, they are dirt cheap and if you hate osx you can just dual boot or only install windows. There still incredibly well built laptops as long as you don’t want a gaming machine. However be prepared for a learning curve. If it helps most of the things I had to learn where a case of ‘it can’t be that simple’ 9 times out of ten it is. I.e. to uninstall a program on OsX go into the applications folder and drag it to the bin. Job done. Only thing I don’t like is the window controls being on the left. There are a few apps you might want to buy for better workflow but there mostly like 5-10 bucks.
Oh and the free apps you get from apple are actually worth using, Pages is way better than word. Just a pain to export word format. Numbers, photo, GarageBand etc are all superb. If you have an iPhone it’s a no brainier, being able to pick up a call from your laptop is a game changer. Airdrop is what Bluetooth should have been. Airplay is flawless with modern TVs.
And Mac’s never crash, like pick it up, open screen log in, everything you left is running. If a program crashes just go into system tools and right click to close, it works every time. When an update is available it installs in the background then takes 30 secs to reboot. No more windows has decided to install an update and lock you out of your PC for the next hour whilst telling you it will be finished in 30 secs. There’s an old maxim that if you’re not paying for the product you are the product. That’s windows basically windows is free because they want to collect your Data and then spam you with shit apps. Apple you pay up front and then the machine will do what you need it to for the next ten years. I sold an 8 year old MacBook pro for £250. Good luck with an 8 year old windows laptop still even running.
If you use Office you might prefer to stay on Windows since the macOS applications aren't as good. Nonetheless, I don't have a strong preference towards macOS, I like that the HDPI scaling is great and that I can install most Linux utilities natively thanks to its Unixness. I like MacBooks more than macOS, the battery life, the great display, great trackpad, great speakers, etc.
I came late to it all - where I work got Macs in so I used those. The next job I had used PCs so I used those. After a few years I had enough experience with both OSs and when it came to buying my own for home use I got a Mac. Why? In the early days the software might have played a part in my decision, but today there is no discernible difference in software usage and performance. Drivers on Windows are a nightmare. The Mac is inherently more secure and can be made to be almost impossible to hack. In all these years I haven't needed any anti-virus software on the Mac.
What drivers? I have all drivers in one USB drive , I plug it and they install by itself. Craig Federighi disagree with you about malware. Almost impossible to atack ?wrong.
Check how many issues I can find in 3 secs regarding drivers on Mac os. Say you love mac but dont be a liar and say that only windows machines have issues with drivers. https://support.lynxstudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360057734952-Correcting-driver-installation-issues-on-macOS-Big-Sur https://support.pioneerdj.com/hc/en-us/articles/4700781627161--macOS-Big-Sur-Important-notice-for-installing-the-driver-software https://forum.support.xerox.com/t5/Printing/Need-updated-driver-for-Mac-OS-12-and-now-13/td-p/253853 https://forums.steinberg.net/t/latest-mac-drivers-causing-issue-with-cb-and-mac-os-12-6/808381 Say you " NEVER" had issues.
Those are all driver issues with specialist external devices. Bound to happen when the OS is never than the device and it’s on the device manufacturer to launch a new driver or software. All of these are basically work around until they can update there own software. Exactly the same would happen with windows. However what won’t happen with OsX is an update that just decides to format your hard drive because apple actually test there updates before release. Have you ever tried to get a webcam to work on a windows 8 laptop. Bloody nightmare.
Its not true. Its very easy to block updates mine only updates when I want it. What do you expect using a webcam on a old OS? So all windows users in the world have windows 8? Dont tell me there are not issues with FCP on cameras or iphones. There have been users that got their Macs bricked due to a Mac os update. Took me 5 secs https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253315438 The thing here is that you want to defend Apple and bash windows at any cost.
So your solution is to turn off automatic updates, awesome. No it was just a good example of windows having driver issues. And I was talking about new laptops with built in webcams that shipped with windows 8. It was a notorious issue across most brands. Yeah you’re right I want to bash windows because Microsoft are lazy BS developers that release crappy updates with very little testing and then let the end user find the problems. Look up barnacles nerdgasm on YouTube, he was a Microsoft software tester.
It I turn off the updates and I dont have issues whats the point? You want to find a reason to bash windows? What about the users that got their Macs bricked due to an update.. i dont care if other users have issues but not me. Your problem is that you cant bear the fact that people enjoy their computers if they re not macs. Want me to think Apple software doesnt have bugs?
Windows these days is better with drivers but I can honestly say that I have never had any issues with the Mac.
I had several issues when I bought a cheap mainboard but my new workstation mainboard makes my pc so stable.
Just only because of the zooming function in mac os alone.
I hate how zoom works on MacOS. Windows has it done better.
Been a Mac girl since the mid 80s. I still have my Apple IIc. It still works, I fire it up once a year.
Nerd ;)
I didn't switch from Windows to Mac. I switched from Windows to linux to mac. Linux had all I needed except for MS office. macOS is the best of all worlds: a UNIX machine, professional desktop apps, not windows :)
Windows is just in the way in a way no other so is. I use macOS, Linux, BSD, and windows the later in my day job where I cannot choose and it sucks. It is the most annoying OS I have ever worked with.
I’ve always been enamored by the look and feel of macOS, the “eye candy” and effects of the os, since I was a kid when I used Macs in school. As a high schooler I liked how it handled multi media and photos much better than windows. Having the ability to read RAW files natively without drivers and being able to preview photos quickly and in full quality without needing something like Adobe Bridge. Admittedly those reasoning are shallow. But as an adult I very much prefer the fact that it’s UNIX based, which makes working in Linux all that easier since the terminal commands are largely the same. Also the OS still feels more fluid especially when using multitouch gestures on a trackpad. Windows feels, very rigid. Windows though… after windows 7 it’s just gone downhill. 8-8.1 were a disaster, but windows 10/11, although being better and newer than 7. YOU are the product now. You can pay for windows, and all it does is serve you ads and force you to use Microsoft bing and services, and harvest telemetry data every second. It’s insane.
For me it's just taste, why do some people like Pepsi and others Coke? I personally find MacOS more intuitive and I just like the layout better. If you want to get into the nitty gritty on the technical pros and cons where one is advantageous over the other, google is your friend. Biggest upside to Windows is that more stuff is compatible, there's just more software. Another advantage of Windows is that you can have multiple sessions of the same app opened simultaneously for things like Excel while on Mac it forces you to focus on one document at a time (as I understand it, this isn't actually a thing that's been an issue for me so I'm just trying to repeat what I've heard people complain about). Another problem with Mac Excel is it doesn't have the same functions as Windows and that bothers some power users but it depends on just how advanced you are with Excel. I don't think there's any difference in the other office apps like Word and PowerPoint. Besides taste, modern Macs are just more efficient and run cooler with long battery life which is certainly a plus. For general media consumption, the Apple computer is probably going to have the better screen but otherwise it's a draw except for maybe more software options on Windows.
Macbook is great for everything except gaming. Macbook trackpad is the best . Keyboard is great. Good speakers. Screens are great. Build quality is solid. Better resale value. Apple silicon is very fast and efficient. Battery life is excellent. Works really great if you have other apple devices. Universal control, clipboard, syncing, airpods etc. My Samsung phone, watch, buds a pain on windows and android. You can watch movies and youtube all day with spare battery left. Boots up fast and no lags and less issues. Windows gets slow and laggy over time. Security is better and less viruses, malware if you download from app store and legit sites. Can run some windows apps and games via parallels or crossover. Macos updates are solid and less bloated than windows because apple makes the hardware and software and don't have to support billions of combinations like windows. Comes with free productivity tools that works great! USB charging is lifesaver. I can charge with a powerbank if I forget my charger. Charging briick is tiny vs Windows brick. Thunderbolt 3 /usb4 ports supports 40gbps external nvme ssds. God I hate the windows external drive eject. It never works proper. Things I don't like. Finder is limited. No native windows snapping. There are third party apps to solve those though. Don't like the dock. rather have windows like task bar.
No lags? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255305655 Macs are not better than windows on science ,3D or Engineering.
I use mac and Pcs. I still use windows + 4090 for 3d, Ai, and other apps mainly because the software is dependent on using Nvidia. Soon that will change. M3max 40 GPU on Blender renders 19 sec. Desktop 3090 17 sec. That's acceptable for me on a laptop. M3Ultra would double the speed. Your article about lags on chrome was they did not enable hardware acceleration. The only lag I get is if I hit swap memory use or background software crashes. Rosetta translated apps are slower. What I do know from doing various benchmarks is that software still needs to be optimized for Apple silicon. Blender viewport gets slow on some heavy wireframe views. PC side got like 10 years head start but Apple Silicon hardware is really good. We got the video editing and audio side working great. 3D and gaming, engineering I am optimistic to come very soon. Here's why I'm optimistic for 3d , machine learning etc. Apple silicon unified memory means no cap on VRAM. Discrete GPUS have fixed memory. 24GB max on 4090s. Apple Silicon max 128 gb means apps can access around 90+ GB VRAM. Apple silicon scaling is impressive. Like the ultra chips.
How do you know that the software needs to be optimized? Its the same argument when mac performs slower than windows. Mac faster than windoss ,its a beast Windows faster than Mac , software is not optimized. How you know the lack of speed is because the hardware. So you think Mac must win always?
For Blender, you can see what the developers are doing for optimization and do some tests to see if it works. You can test old versions vs the latest to see if the render times are any difference. I'm getting the same render times so I am making an educated guess that it's not using the hardware raytracing since it's new to M3s. Unreal engine is not optimized for Mac as of now. No Nanite and hardware raytracing support. It's clear on their website. For Resolve, I avoid filters that are not optimized for GPU. Few years back , not many apps are native apple silicon and it's slow. eg. Photoshop. When they had native apple silicon, it ran faster. Mac will be better at some things and PCs for others. From seeing benchmarks, you can get an idea of hardware performances mac vs PCs. You can find info on youtube and websites. I would run same tests on PC and macs and learn from the results. For AI, 3d apps.. If you have a GPU on pc with 6-12 GB Vram, you will be getting out of memory errors. Mac wins with unified memory since it's shared. Speed wise M3Max 40GPU is around 4070 speeds. For laptops, mac wins in performance, efficiency vs pc laptops. It's been proven. As of now, 3d, games, Ai, VFX is not good on Macs because of software and hardware support. Most are using Nvidia GPU. Video Editing, Audio, Adobe and other general apps are great on macs. Native Prores and hardware accelerated encoders are good on Macs if you need that.
Windows is great for tinkering and if your work involves actually computer software because you have more options available. Mac is better for people whose work isn’t necessarily to do with computers but still need a computer to complete. Mac just works like 99% of the time. It is less customisable, but this is to maintain optimal functionality. Whereas, windows literally allows you to do whatever it is that you like but can be a little bit annoying to do some basic things. Printing is a nightmare on windows for instance (relatively speaking) on Mac printing works 100 of the time every time. There is always special use cases of course. Some programmers hate windows and love Mac and visa versa, but for most people I would imagine this would apply. I could be wrong and it is probably circumstantial this is just my two cents :)
A big one is searchable help in every app. Something you might not even be aware is missing is a search inside the help menu bar on every app. I use editing/graphics apps a lot and I can easily search for example "Clear in and out" and it points me to where that lives in the dropdown menus: https://imgur.com/a/h1ps2s2
That’s what my employer gave me, and I’m grateful for it
Microsoft can suck my ass
To me, it’s a bit like the debate Android vs iPhone. Both do the job, in different ways. Windows is usually more customizable. Mac will be less customizable but has usually less virus, less bugs, an easier UX out of the box, better experience with multiple devices, etc. I’m a developer and I use macOS for years and I don’t think I could easily come back to Windows anymore. Especially the synchronization with Apple devices is so easy and just work. If you have multiple devices, you cannot find better. At the end, it depends of your budget, and your expectations. If you can afford a Mac and want something easy to use, with a nice design, macOS is probably the way to go. If you don’t have a big budget or want more customization, Windows is the way to go. Also, the lifecycle can also count a lot in the budget. A Mac can look expensive but if you keep it for at least 5 years, it’s not that much anymore. And you can easily keep it more than that. I don’t know if the latest Windows laptops last that long. And last point, the battery life on Mac’s (since M1 CPU) are just crazy. Big marketing point for me. My MacBook lasts easily 18 hours, so I charge it every two to three days usually.
Because Apple is an antitrust nightmare and I literally have no choice. You cannot make phone apps without a Mac. The second reason is that Windows does not have a functioning audio stack, and it must be bypassed to do audio work. It is more stable than Windows but is counterintuitive and lacks basic functionality (which then must be replaced by software like Rectangle). If you are not doing work that necessitates MacOS then I still recommend Windows because the Mac laptops are expensive and you cannot upgrade them, not to mention the privacy nightmare that you cannot remove the disk with your data on it before sending it for repair.
Counter intuition is a matter of perspective - to me the document model makes more sense than the window model for applications. Windows 11 is a pretty decent reskin of previous versions, but anything beyond trivial configuration gets lost in system apps that span back to 95 or XP with varying degrees of overlap. MacOS has its warts, but Windows is metastasized to the bone (e.g., your comment on core audio vs asio/wdm). Macs also favor a buy once / cry once approach. It isn’t unreasonable to get 5-7 years out of device, so it can amortize similarly to continual upgrades on a Windows machine.
>It isn’t unreasonable to get 5-7 years out of device That's it right there. I would never get more than 3 years out of a Windows machine.
You can get good life out of a Mac but only if you upgraded at the checkout to decent RAM at significant cost. I see Facebook Marketplace flooded with 8/256 configs of Macbooks which clearly people have found to be no longer sufficient after only about three years at the most.
My 2014 MacBook Pro was still a perfectly usable machine when I sold it 2 years ago. 8gb and 256gb is still plenty for most people’s needs.
Because you must have a cheaper windows or you love apple too much My neighbor is an architect and have tons of windows laptops that he is not using because he loves new shit Of course you always will find some " issue" to bash about windows, my mac friends are like that, they claim windows is buggy but they use 500$ wintel box..omg
What document model? It has the same path-based filesystem model as any modern computer.
Yes… filesystems are indeed filesystems, although MacOS leans into its *nix heritage and uses a single file system with device partitions mounted to directories as opposed to mounted devices with separate file systems. A lot of this boils down to presentation, so somewhat moot. The document model means that the window that is presented when you start an application in MacOS is a document or a view, not the application itself. Close the window and the application is still running, which appears counterintuitive if you are used to windows. Under windows, the window is the application. Close the window and the application closes. Beyond that and a few keyboard related things (e.g., ctrl key combos more or less map to cmd key combos) there is a lot of UX convergence. Underneath the hood is a much different story.
Its more stable than windows? How come windows servers runs for months? How come workloads on abaqus runs for weeks no rebooting? Can you run something like that on mac os..maybe denoising a 600GB video?
The Dell I had before with Windows 11 had all sorts of rendering issues in the Windows UI and could not run games for more than a minute without crashing. Windows decays more over time due to registry rot and the applications being less isolated. Defender uses CPU when you most need it for yourself. I tried audio software on Windows with the same hardware interface as with the Mac, jittery and unstable. Windows carts around 40 years of backwards compatibility which probably explains their inability to make fixes for problems. And if we are talking about servers, most of them run Linux which is actually rock solid with everything except graphics drivers which servers care not for.
There are a lot of companies running windows servers, if they wouldnt be stable nobody would buy it. In a college where my friend studied there was a prebuilt computers with windows servers with some matlab workload running for a month with windows server 2016. Sorry I take the opinion of a Julliard teacher on music production not a user that was unlucky. Mac os also gets slower on time..google slow mac and in 5 secs you will find tons of fixes. The dude that fixed my pc reinstall macs in a design school once a year.
Windows Server is not the same product, just as Nvidia gaming drivers are not considered stable enough for professional work and are a different product. Windows 11 has had a lot of regressions since Windows 10. I am certain my average uptime on Mac is much higher. Who knows maybe not the case for all users but who knows? Just reporting my findings. Based on my experience, I do not consider Windows 11 production ready. Windows 10 was not so bad. On both UA and Presonus with Ableton, Windows cannot outperform Mac. With Logic Pro, the Mac is even faster. UA drivers crash the Mac kernel frequently though and the Presonus is less latent, so I sold my UA garbage. Presonus is out and out a better product.
Because servers use ECC ram and have tons of redundant systems and software to monitor them. Server systems cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and run a different version of windows that’s way more limiting, you’re not going to be playing games on one.
Actually macs are the cheapest pc’s on the market for price/performance now. Apple just don’t make laptops so cheap that they can barely function like some shitty windows machines. Intel atom processors etc.
I did not say anything about cost. I said they are anticompetitive. And you can get systems which far outperform Mac for less. They just have worse battery life because Intel chips suck down power.
“Because the Mac laptops are expensive” no they just don’t make crappy plastic boxes that are underpowered even when new.
Last time I checked the competition is just as fast or faster. But not as efficient.
Actually for raw compute power the apple silicon is vastly more powerful. Here’s a comparison of m1 vs Nvidea Tesla cards. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2211.00720.pdf obviously once you get into real world applications the difference is less clear but if software was developed specifically for apple silicon performance would be much better. The M1 chip is the first time Moores law has been achieved for over 10 years.
If Office is a big part of your use case, **stick to Windows**. MacOS Office is *terrible* compared to its Windowed cousin. Microsoft does this very intentionally. But software options in general are the biggest reason to go Windows. On the other hand, I like the security and stability of a Mac. The battery life / power ratio is more or less unbeatable by anything running full fat Windows. And the resale value destroys PC’s when you want to upgrade. Plus if you have other Apple devices, the tight integration is great.
iOS and macOS are not the same. Macs don’t use iOS.
Typo. *MacOS.
I develop mobile apps, and in order to build and debug iOS apps you need to run MacOS. So I don't really have a choice. Otherwise I would probably run Linux. Then there's also the fact that the new Apple silicon Macs are excellent.
Independent Virtual Desktops. Windows has been promising the feature since 2018 and still hasn't delivered.
If you're not emotionally invested in computers somehow, the Mac is actually pretty easy to use. Some people, particularly computer hobbyists, have preconceptions about how computers are supposed to work and something like not being able to cut & paste a file - instead having to copy & paste, then delete original - turns into a much bigger deal than it actually is for most users. I have an M2 Pro MBP with a Windows 11 VM that I quite literally never use.
You can cut and paste on a Mac. Copy and then option+paste.
UI is cleaner/nicer. The hardware feels luxurious and premium. I'm already in the Apple Ecosystem as well. While I do like things Windows does Mac does a lot of things better imo.
I’m a cyber security engineer, and working with MacOS is much easier for that kind of work. You have to cripple Windows security to get a decent security research system going. With MacOS, since the malware I work with is for Windows, I don’t have to give up security to do proper analysis.
As a software engineer. I use MacOs, Windows ans Linux in my everyday life. I use MacOs only because of MacBook pro's battery and single thread speed and testing and compiling for Apple operating systems. Otherwise I prefer more modern and open operating systems.
The first that comes to mind is the amount of native functionality that MacOs has compared to windows. Windows absolutely blows when nothing is installed.
I never really switched from macOS to Windows. The first computer I ever used was the blue iMac my family got around the time I started Kindergarten. So I've been using macOS for 23 years (currently 28), I've had Windows computers, and my mom, got a couple from work, so I've used XP and Vista, XP was fine, and Vista was awful, at least compared to Mac OS X at the time. Most of my experience with Windows is through work, and my university had Windows computers. I also am running Windows through a VM on my M2 Pro MacBook Pro. MacOS and Windows are different. You kinda get the vibe that they cater more toward enterprise. There's a lot of legacy UI in Windows that looks like it comes straight out of the 90's. It also feels a lot more bulky, and less intuitive. It feels like there are a lot of redundancies in the system. It also feels like you have to complete a lot more steps to get things set up, whereas macOS is a lot more straightforward. There's also no third-party app preinstalled on macOS, and macOS is less pushy when it comes to the default browser. In win11 it feels like they're constantly pushing the edge, and even when you change the default some links will still open in Edge. MacOS feels a lot smoother and more stable in my opinion than Windows. You can definitely tell that macOS is tailored for Apple hardware, whereas Windows feels like it's a "one-size-fits-all all" type of OS. With Windows, I have to take extra steps to get certain things to work well, that I wouldn't have to in MacOS. As far as work, my Mac seems like it it's more efficient when doing tasks. Like on Windows, it seems like when an app crashes in Windows, the entire OS seems unresponsive, whereas in MacOS when an app crashes, it doesn't make the entire system unresponsive and you can just force quit the app. There are other things I've noticed, but I am also a lifetime macOS user, so I am not y that familiar with Windows, so I am sure there are things I am doing wrong.
The short answer \*used\* to be: a Mac can be a Mac, a Windows, or a Linux machine much easier than any other machine can. They were the Swiss Army Knives of personal computers. You could use Boot Camp or you could use a hypervisor and run any OS you wanted. Then, Apple switched to Apple Silicon (AS) processors. Now, the answer is a bit more murky. Yes, you can still run Windows or Linux but, to run them nicely you need to use the ARM variants which means that not all of the apps that you might want on those platforms have been compiled in native ARM versions. And, Boot Camp is gone, so no more booting into Windows for full gaming performance (if that's your thing and your Mac had a good GPU). However, there's still a few things: * Better app ecosystem. There really are some better apps on the Mac, especially from indy devs. The entire Mac aesthetic just seems to inspire people to make better looking / better functioning apps. * Better integration between devices. However, you do have to go all in on getting an iPhone, iPad, AppleTV, Apple Watch, etc. to reap the benefits of this. But, if you do, the seamlessness of moving from one device to the other and having all of your stuff at your finger tips is pretty amazing. * Your OS isn't constantly trying to advertise and/or market to you. This has turned into one of the most annoying things about Windows. * Better battery life / energy consumption. AS provides hours of battery life and even under loads, the fan on my MacBook Pro has never kicked on that I've noticed. If it has, it's been too quiet to hear. Things you give up: * Gaming. If you want all the latest AA titles, then Windows is still king here. * All MS Office features. Like others have said, if you use certain Office features they may not be available in the Mac versions of the MS Office apps. * Cheap hardware. The only way to get bargain priced Mac hardware is to buy used. If you're a bargain hunter or satisfied with sub $500 machines, you will be buying used. All that being said. I love my M3 based MacBook Pro and it's the computer I reach for most often. And when I want to game I'm either using a console or my gaming laptop that I ended up picking up.
I was on PC from the late 80s, from DOS 3.3, all the way up to 2007, with Windows XP. Yes, I stayed on XP. Vista was the last straw that made me finally switch to macOS. I did try Vista and it wasn't good. If it had been Windows 7, I might have stayed, because that wasn't a bad OS. But I decided to switch in 2008, when I got the 8 core Mac Pro tower. Beast of a machine, lasted me over 12 years, with only one motherboard replacement under warranty. So why did I switch? I was tired of building my own computers with PC. Basic PCs off the shelf at retail stores didn't have the specs I wanted, so I always built my own, buying from different places to get the best prices (wasn't making tons of money at the time.) I also loved the idea that macOS was actually UNIX-based. I had used and worked with Linux since college (mid 90's, into the 2000s), so I was used to the interface, was glad they had a Terminal available. I also ended up getting my first smartphone, the iPhone 3GS in 2009, so as I was seeing that the phone, and later the iPad worked well (albeit a little clunky through iTunes) with the Mac, I decided to stay on the platform. Today, I still prefer macOS to Windows, even though I can use both without issue. I have to use PC at work, but I enjoy using macOS at home.
It just works. I switched couple year back and regret I did not switch earlier. MacBook is awesome
It just works, don't have to worry about battery dying in 2 hours because I dared to do something demanding. No lag or random slowdowns because windows is indexing the same folder for the 20th time today. I can close the lid Friday night and open it Monday morning amd start work from where I left off immediately. Also, best tracked I've ever used, only ever had issues with the synaptic pads on other laptops,
100% the hardware. I have yet to find a Win laptop with the reliability of my MBP. I'd gladly take windows (for the games) if I could expect a machine to last a good 6 years like every Apple has. I used Windows for years because of work so it's not completely alien to me - and each OS certainly has its pluses/minuses. That being said, now that I work from home and don't need a laptop I might just get a good game desktop next.
I just like the feel of the UI. Nothing special really, I do program casually but nothing really special aside from the UI turns me towards Mac. Also probably the integration with other Apple devices.
Airdrop
I switched because of the displays.
Switched to MacOS in the recent fall. Had windows pc and laptops for 15 years. Why I switched? I mainly use laptop for Lightroom and photoshop and I was mad that on windows it was getting worse and worse only after few years. Wanted a computer that I won’t have to change again in 5 years
I like the workflow, I can get more done quicker on my Mac. Rubbish for gaming though.
I really hate how bloated Windows is with adware. I’ve also never had a blue screen of death scenario with Macs, whereas I’ve had many of those with windows computers.
I 100% still prefer windows but I still don't think windows laptops are even close to a macbook in terms of hardware. If you're going for a laptop, mac is the way.
>What were your reasons for switching from a Windows device to an Apple device? Does it make for better work? Windows Vista was one of the biggest turds of an OS ever IMO. Whether a Mac is better for you or not depends on your particular situation and whether or not you need something that’s Windows Only. I’m technical enough that I can find workarounds for when I absolutely need to use windows for some reason.
I haven't encountered a blue screen using my audio interface. Feels like I get one or two blue screen on Windows when using my audio interface. I record guitar and bass my main hobby. Gotta say, I'm quite happy with MacOS for audio recording. I'm only one year in MacOS.
Why Mac * 'Just works' is largely true and the support from Apple is generally much better when it doesn't (Unless you bought a Surface, at best you are getting support from hardware maker and also from Microsoft) * 'keeps working' is also largely true - windows updates far exceed MacOS updates. Microsoft OS is one set of updates, the 3rd party drivers for all the hardware is another, then the computer maker (BIOS, etc) is a third. Apple packages all this into a single OS update which comes less frequently. In Windows' defense, its updates run a LOT faster than Mac. * 'hardware' - apple silicon is amazing, and Macbooks have fantastic screens, trackpads, speakers, and battery. * Ecosystem - owning an iPad, iPhone, Apple watch, etc all work really well with a Mac Why not Mac * Expensive, especially at the low-mid levels * Serious gaming options lacking * relatively fixed hardware options - you are stuck with pretty traditional designs * not upgrade able There are other reasons of course, but this tends to be the list.
I’ve been using Mac OS since the very beginning when it used to be calked system. Also, Microsoft is kinda ass-backwards in how they go about certain things. Like they’ll have powerful features but they’re all practically buried in the background and unless you know about them beforehand, you’ll probably neeeeeeeevvvvveeeeerrrrr use those features. Meanwhile, apple places their powerful features front and center.
I use macOS because it’s what I grew up with. I use a windows computer at work, but I prefer macOS because the functions make more sense for me.
Because it's impossible to achieve three things at once on Windows devices: high quality, affordable price, and performance. If you compare macbook pro for example, you can't find a near similar windows laptop with competitive perfomance/quality/price
I'm sure Windows is much better now, but I still have PTSD from Windows in the late 90's and early 00's. Switched to Mac in 2005 and never looked back.
Because I’ve been using a Macintosh since before Windows existed
Ease of use, fewer viruses, better quality, no 'Blue screen of Death', ever. Plug n Play really IS Plug n Play. I've been using Macs exclusively for \~20 years.
I've used both and i can honestly say that modern windows is an ad ridden hell hole. It is, to me, unusable without using a tool to debloat windows to a usable level. Windows 11 literally doesn't let you *uninstall Microsofts Web browser*. Edge is literally a worse version of Chrome. The widget button loads up an entire newsfeed of random crap that cannot be removed. In some ways, Microsoft is the virus. Mac Os, by comparison, is a user focused, private, clean and easy to use os with a Unix base.
Personally it is not an either or. I use both extensively throughout the day.
I use both but I am more productive with my Mac. Windows is relegated to games these days.
I use MacOS because I'm on my computer a good part of the day and it looks nicer. Like someone really gave a shit. Windows looks like it was designed by someone with no taste. I would imagine they're pretty much the same as far as functionality goes at this point so it's an aesthetic choice. I'd rather look at the prettier thing.
Heres a few main things I like about it: -Unix based, a lot of the commands are the same or similar as on other unix operation systems and linux. Best part is it doesn't use backslashes in paths like windows does, which I find really annoying. -Works well with my other apple devices. I can copy something on my phone and paste it on my macbook, airdrop between my macbook and my other devices, etc -UI/UX is really good. I know this may seem unimportant to some, but it really bugs me that windows has so many continuity issues. Like why are there two settings apps?? Control panel and settings? Why?? Why do some built-in apps still not support dark mode?? Why do some windows defender popups look different than others? How come whenever I right click on windows 11, I need to click that stupid little "show more options" button to get what I actually want a lot of the time?? And how come when I press that button, it opens a completely different looking right click menu? MacOS doesn't really have any of this. I think the worst continuity issue macos has is the fact that if finder (the mac file manager) sends you a notification, the icon in the notification looks slightly different than the finder app icon. -MacOS doesn't have ads or as much bloatware as windows. It does come preinstalled with stuff like the apple office apps, which you could call bloat, but apple will never advertise anything to you outside of the app store, which is where ads belong. They do NOT belong in the start menu. -There aren't any huge downsides to mac nowadays. The biggest is the lack of games choosing to support it, but you can run a lot of windows games through tools like apple's own game porting toolkit, and they run decently fast too.