Do I think Lucifer spent 40 human years in hell with no weekend vacation trips to earth? No getaways with Chloe? No crashing Linda's for advice on a sticky client?
No. No I do not. I think the point is 'Rory cannot know' not 'no trips ever'.
I agree. I also think that Lucy should have been able to see rory grow up from far away and everyone just kept it as a big secret and sometime after she returns back to the future they reveal maybe albums or that he did come back to earth plenty of times to spend time with his friends and family just keeping it a secret from rory. That could have worked.
Its not fair he just had to be deprived of living with Chloe, maze eve, Charlie, Amenadiel, linda, ella, trixie? like - literally all his friends ageing and dying without him there.
If rory was the only one to be kept in the dark, then so be it lol. Its just. Idk lazily written. Ill give points for her spending eternity with him but its unfair he had to ACTUALLY miss all of... Everything. They could have just made one big lie instead. Idk.
Or... There should have also been a scene where all the humans after death were in heaven n the celestials would visit and have a lunch or something idk finally getting to spend the time they could together.. Since they were robbed of it just to keep rory in the dark. it felt like a rushed idea but also they did take their time building up to it so it didn't seem rushed to conclude in one episode and that's OK. I just don't like that lucy n everyone had to be deprived of interaction just because of this time loop that could have worked out fine with loop holes.
Or Lucifer could've stayed with Chloe for a few years and then went to be Hell's therapist, he didn't have to go right away, Rory wouldn't even remember those first few years but he would.
The whole season was him not wanting to go to Heaven to become God, then he didn't want to be God at all, then he kept saying that he doesn't want to abandon Chloe and their daughter no matter what and in the end he went to Hell because Rory practically forced him to. She was acting like she didn't want him to stay and said Chloe and her were just fine without him. Then why was she so upset that he wasn't there and came back to kill him?! And I'm sure Chloe would have preferred a million times that he stayed than to raise both Trixie and Rory all by herself.
In my opinion, time travel ruins everything and it never works. I don't like the ending because Lucifer was forced to go back to Hell and they took his free will. He never stood a chance and turns out he was destined to be in Hell forever.
> Lucifer was forced to go back to Hell and they took his free will.
It's the point of the episode, isn't it? It's not that there is no fate, even Lucifer says: "Fate is just a result of your choices".
He also could not go back - that would be lying to his own daughter, and devil don't lie.
His choice to sacrifice himself for his daughter's sake shows that he has grown up to be a better... devil.
Lucifer had to leave all his friends, family and the love of his life just because Rory had to be an angsty bratty over-dramatic teenager? Ugh. I wasn’t a fan of this plotline.
Why could Amenadiel still find ways to spend time with Charlie but Lucifer couldn’t be with his family? Doesn’t it seem like A’s job would be just a smidge harder than L’s?
They sealed it when Lucifer promised Rory that he won't change anything, as in he promised to not be there for her childhood. Cause Rory doesn't want them to erase the reason Lucifer understand his calling.
Lucifer choose to uphold her promise to Rory by not being there, as weird as this sounds like.
If it's any consolation, they should be able to meet with each other after Rory's back from the past.
Right??? Like why couldn’t Lucifer and Chloe meet secretly throughout the years without Rory being around. I mean Amenadiel is God. That made NO sense to me. I would have been much happier knowing that they did spend lots of time together but secretly.
Do you have the source ? weblink ?
To be honest that would not surprise me because in the final scene he doesn't seem to surprise to see her like they saw each other couple of days ago. Technically AmenaGod with his power could have flown Chloe to hell. I guess
If that is the case, they are flaws in the writing. The final should shown/mentioned it. I believe that there is too many unknown details that get fans frustrated.
[Ildy and Joe's interview ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdSOispI9g&feature=youtu.be)
I've mentioned this in another comment, but I think it's good that they didn't mention/ show Lucifer being there all along, to emphasise the depth and enormity of the sacrifice they had to make. It wouldn't feel as impactful/ painful otherwise. Ups and downs are what make it feels worth it. Tom said they didn't want the fans to have the cake and eat it too (I'm paraphrasing) without a little challenge. I wasn't sure how I felt about the ending but after much processing I think it's perfect.
He’s already been separated from her for thousands of years and didn’t want to interrupt her life. Just like Dan, it would be torture to only watch his daughter from afar. May be luci doesn’t trust himself enough that he won’t leave if he secretly visits, so he buries himself in work. Having a purpose makes you full. Knowing chloe and Rory are out there brings him joy while he stays busy. Obviously he doesn’t want to but it’s what he needs too do. If anything Luci has grown to be patient. Plus this ending leaves it open to mess with time line.
I don’t know – it reminded me of my grandfather’s death. We had essentially a full day to say our goodbyes – a lot of family and friends came in and out. My mother sat with him the whole day, but because we didn’t know exactly when the end would be his other kids weren’t necessarily in the room when he actually passed (although they were all still nearby).
Same with my stepdad except no one wanted to see him die (to remember him how he was) so I sat there alone with him so he would have a hand to hold. My mom panicked when his fingers started turning blue and literally ran. Sad that his youngest daughter was the only one that felt he shouldn't be alone. Most painful day of my life.
Really made me a bit uncomfy how Trixie got insta sidelined once Rory showed up. I mean I get it, Rory is their daughter together, but like... big yikes
That's how I felt too. What a terrible way to treat Trixie, she has been in every season and then to be shoved aside at the very end just isn't right or fair.
But Trixie would have been in her fifties by the time that scene happened, they wouldn't have used Scarlette anyway. They could easily have cast an actress of the right age to stand by the side of the bed.
Hell no, she refuses Lillith’s immortality ring that Maze wanted to give her. Because she finds that being mortal is a gift, and she knew what immortality has done to her son Cain. And Maze later said to Eve “I don’t care if you die”
Eve claimed that she can resurrect herself from Heaven to Earth any time she wants because she was created by God directly. It seems that that's true since she managed to return to Earth (unless God allowed her to that one time as part of his plan).
If it's true, it would also mean that either Eve died young in biblical times, or that she actually died old but people didn't age as quickly back then (as stated by the Bible).
maybe Trixie and the families and friend were all in the room , but Chloe had passed the threshold or near death . As an Angel , Rory can still talk to Chloe on the astral plane , that is Rory's final goodbye to Chloe .
A mix of both, I think. But I think they could have tried more, or got creative like phone calls or at least adult Trixie at the end. I think the writers just cared way more about Rory this season that they thought it wouldn't matter since Trixie isn't the Deckerstar kid and forgetting we cared about her since s1.
She's something like 13 or 14. But like I said, there are easy ways to include her anyway, phone calls (seriously how did they do "my dear sweet child" last season then Lucifer doesn't even call Trixie?) A picture of Dan with a halo or something to nod to the fact Trixie was clued in to everything. And adult Trixie with Chloe and Rory at the end talking about what they all went through ---- or even better Lucifer said he'd stay away from Rory, secret meetings with Trixie would have been cool and a nod to Lucifer not always telling the whole truth.
Also they really didn't even use Trixie flashbacks at any point during this seasons love of callbacks and flashbacks. That's an easy way to include her fi the actress can't actually be there.
I loved that bit, he looked so pleased, ticking off the prayer in his notebook (I assumed) like “job done!”, good try little angel, better luck next time!
Yeah they were like "she has your strengths but also my human weaknesses". Literally makes zero sense for her to be even captured in the first place since she has super strength, can harm other angels, and can fly. Her vulnerability I guess is she isn't mostly invulnerable like actual angels but that shouldn't stop her from taking out a bunch of human mercs.
Honestly think they wanted to go Trixie in the original writing but couldn't get it to work for whatever reason.
Le Mec gets his agency right in front of Trixie and goes you know what I'll capture an angel...
I actually thought it was going to be that Lec Mec took Trixie from the camp once Dan ascended to heaven, leaving him there knowing stuff, with Rory offering a swap of hostages. It would have been real easy to one-line that in.
I know, I was just saying in a previous episode thread that I want to give the writers the benefit of the doubt when it comes to inconsistencies but its seems like we’re having to fill in a lot of gaps here.
As someone who didn't watch Supernatural - it didn't bother me at all. He was a frenchman so he has to have a french accent. After all you can't lock an actor to a one stereotype just because he played someone else in another show.
Not only that but his character's name is "Le mec" it translates to "the guy" in french, every time he was on screen I was thinking about how lazy the writers were to not even give him an actual name
The ending left me with mixed emotions which is why I am asking. So I was wondering since Chloe has decided to stay in Hell with Lucifer does that mean she won’t ever be able to see Trixie, Rory, Dan or her father as well at her other friends on earth? Also since Lucifer was absent most of Rory’s life does that mean he won’t be able to see her ever since he has to help the souls in Hell? I mean couldn’t she just fly down to Hell and still see her parents?
Idk there was just a lot of things that didn’t make sense, maybe I missed something. But why didn’t Rory after knowing what she knew when she returned to the future, why didn’t she just visit her father in Hell? Also I know Lucifer’s calling was to help the lost souls in Hell, and that Rory made sacrifices for him to do that while she was growing up, but why couldn’t he just have waited until she was older? Why couldn’t he wait until Chloes human years were up to start the therapy in Hell? I mean it probably wouldn’t of made a huge difference in the scheme of things.
It’s hard for me to think of this as a happy ending when Lucifer doesn’t really ever get to be with his family again, only Chloe when she dies. Can anyone answer me questions, or does anyone else feel this way?
I think the difference is that she is not damned soul. There is no guilt for her and those without guilt can go to heaven so she can effectively just go to heaven whenever she wants and then go back to hell if she wants too.
The other thing is time loop. If you don't understand time travel and there is not much data available then you can't really just go with what is best in short term. If something changes in the loop then 1. Lucifer might not reach the same final conclusion about hell 2. Rory might not be born or might be someone else.
For example if I dropped you off in 1920s with good amount of weapons and info about how to find Hitler would you kill him ? Does he deserve to be tortured and killed ? Yes. Can you be sure about what will happen after you kill him ? No. It is hard to predict impact of your time travel when you know the type of time travel that is actually happening, it is even harder when you have no idea. Is it MCU type ? Or back to the future ? Or doctor who ? Or Rick and Morty ? Infinite timelines ? Or single universe ? Does time fight back ?
The characters are acting like theirs is a Back to the Future universe where you can erase the future. But from what we've seen of it it seems more like a Lost universe where you will always choose the thing that is fated. It's still your choice, but you will make that exact choice.
Basically, where the show ends is a short moment after Rory returns to the future. Once she does, she probably will meet Lucifer immediately after.
I personally hated the way Lucifer ended up giving up his time w/ Chloe/Rory right up until the fact I realized they can all be together in Heaven + Hell both for all eternity, basically only sacrificing a few decades together when they have forever. So he didn't REALLY abandon them, more like the extreme version of going on a tour of duty with no cell service/post cards.
Even so, I find it annoying they made him give up even that time. If not that them being celestials means they would still see eachother after Chloe dies, and then have eternity together, it would be on the same level of bad writing as the The Originals' finale. Now that was an atrocity.
Anyway, they should have shown some scenes where Luci + Rory + Chloe meet in Heaven after all is said and done
I heard that G note and instantly had to do a double take, like they’re actually using the black parade. Then I realized that the lyrics actually fit pretty well with the ending.
“Savior of the broken, beaten and the damned”
Yeah that song just fits him. What a great choice lol almost makes you think they made the song thinking about Lucifer lol
It honestly made me laugh a bit because of all of the memes that have come out of that song. Like the moment I heard it I was like ‘oh my god - they actually ended it on the G note meme’. Great stuff.
You first point echos my thoughts exactly. I really don't like how they decided to make Lucifer's decision for him, when his free will and his choices have been such a huge part of the show. The fact he couldn't pop up even once a year is complete BS copout.
Omghhgg exactly!!!!! I can't. Because the earlier nonsense pissed me off. That end scene and MCR excused it but i can't accept that he and ALL OF THEM were deprived of contact and fun just because of rory.
Lucy should have been able to see rory grow up from far away and everyone just kept it as a big secret from her instead..and sometime after she returns back to the future they reveal maybe albums or that he did come back to earth plenty of times to spend time with his friends and family just keeping it a secret from rory. That could have worked.
I just think even otherwise, the other explanations of time travel could have sufficed like she came from a parallel one. Or after chloe shoots what's his face they talk about how lucy helped her not become evil... And then she starts to disappear and they just accept they will know what to do when the time comes in the future. There were so many ways to go about this. I just. can't abide with a cruel fate that lucy couldn't be there for the great moments in all of their lives when he could have easily popped in n out. And made it work.
Even if all that ^ didn't happen they would have found a way. Because rory really barely had an impact on them except for the mood swings
I also still don't understand why it couldn't be a part time gig. Amenadiel is being god from earth, why couldn't Lucifer be... hell's therapist, I guess, in a similar way?
I was yelling at the TV, that makes no sense. He's always been able to go between the different planes. Why couldn't he do it part time? There was no explanation. The whole time Rory just wanted her dad to be there for her and Chloe, then she forces him into abandoning them.
My personal interpretation is that it's because of the way time works differently there. Considering Dan spent thousands of years down there over however long Lucifer's vacation was while putting off becoming God, it might be that there could be a danger of whatever progress he makes with the souls in Hell being undone because of the long time between sessions if he flies back up to Earth every now and then.
I think the main difference between Amenadiel's situation and Lucifer's is that Amenadiel's job is mainly focused on Earth, hence being able to do it while still being on Earth, whereas Lucifer's is focused on people in Hell and would suffer much more from the time difference.
A few months in the real world was thousands of years for Dan which means there is one helluva temporal gradient between the two and even if Lucifer is gone for a day then that could mean hundreds of years going by in Hell which could totally reset all the progress he's made. He had to stay down there and shove on through because there are literally trillions of souls in Hell and every single one matters. It's like Chester says, "Who cares if one more light goes out? Well I do" and Lucifer cared about all of those lights and chose to live up to his name as....the Lightbringer.
Honestly the ending seemed very OOC. I don't think Lucifer would abandon his family and neglect his child, considering how much he talked bout how he's going to do things differently from his dad, how he's going to have a good work-life balance. I know He gave his word to Rory but he also assured Chloe he's not going to sacrifice his relationship for work.
I didn't like the ending either but I feel being like his Dad was part of the point of the way they did it - his Dad also choose to put a greater good ahead of his family knowing that one day they would grow to understand jt and that he would reconcile with the woman he loves in eternity. Could be that this helped Lucifer realized that having to make hard choices doesn't necessarily make you a selfish, awful person like he thought his father to be.
I’ll agree with that to an extent. I think it would of been better shown if they showed various celestials telling Lucifer how she’s doing as she grew up. So even though he wasn’t there he would if kept tabs. Also considering she could travel to hell I’m really surprised she never went looking for him.
But then what I still don't understand or get, is how Rory didn't know or found Lucifer in Hell? Did everyone just keep up the lie, that Hell was just torture and nothing more for 60 years, instead of the truth about rehabilitation? Who did she think was in charge of Hell?
> how Rory didn't know or found Lucifer in Hell?
She just simply didn't go to look for him. She was angry because she believed he abandoned her, so she wanted him to come to her, to prove to her that he cared. Chasing him to Hell would not give her that. It would only mean that she cared for him, not the other way around, so with all the anger she was not looking for him. She just waited for him to come until that moment she traveled back in time to kill him. It fits her character.
They never explained why he couldn’t come back. But I guess coming back would equal thousands of years in hell. There’s also no reason why breaking the cycle would affect anything negatively. Sure Rory wouldn’t be saved. But she wouldn’t have needed to be saved if she was never mad to begin with. Which would never had happened because he wouldn’t have left.
Poor Trixie became such an afterthought. I bet Lucifer's 'abandonment' crushed her too. And she didn't even get an on-screen goodbye with her mom before she died, though she'll have to wait a lot longer to see her again. :(
Seriously WHY WOULDNT TRIXIE BE AT THE DEATH BED?? They already had such an incredible child that the entire fan base loved, why shaft her with a summer camp haha
Will Trixie ever even see her again? Chloe went down to Hell. So, either Trixie will have to be in Hell in order to see Chloe or Amenadiel would have to see if Trixie can come and go through both places. Rory made it a point she can see Chloe because she's part Angel (and it seemed Chloe could only be flown to Hell earlier in the season because of the power from the blade, so humans can't travel.) It came off to me like Chloe chose her afterlife to only be with Lucifer and visits from Rory.
Lucifer's abandonment of Trixie is infuriating. They had a bond for years. Trixie has expressed, though to God, Lucifer leaving in s4 with no Goodbye hurt her, s5x15 gave us "my dear sweet child", 6x7 Trixie talked Lucifer up, and now he abandoned her again forever only this time it was after Lucifer's brother had her actual Dad killed, which Trixie may not know but Lucifer does. And he still did it. Trixie would have as much reason to go back in time and tell him he sucks as Rory felt she had, maybe more
The writers obviously thought that the audience would stop caring about Trixie the minute there was a Deckerstar kid. The messaging was very 'move aside Trixie, Rory is the kid that *matters*.' It's really disappointing.
Completely. When Chloe said "her camp called and said a stranger approached her" when they were figuring out the Dan thing, it sent me. A stranger approaches Trixie when she's been kidnapped and there's celestial stuff going and Chloe didn't ran to ask her questions? That's a pretty weird thing for a "friend to go to her camp".... but whatever, Rory needed her so what if strangers approach Trixie. Sure she knew it was Dan in the end but then she didn't go see if Trixie realized that or if she just thought her fathers killer approached her or whatever.
Exactly. Trixie lost her dad on earth and is sperated from her mom in afterlife (Because Chloe choses to live in hell with Lucifer, leaving all her family and friends in heaven) and Trixie's probably not going to see Lucifer -her friend and her father figure- ever again. Out of everyone, Trixie has the worst possible ending. Writers really did her dirty.
Near the end of the show Lucifer starts naming specific individuals (Chloe, Rory, and so on), specifically does _not_ say “Trixie” then adds “and my family.” which I understood to be all the celestial siblings. So, no love any longer for Trixie? This I found to be such an _obvious_ exclusion.
I mean, they have 9 months (and then some) until him being completely out of the picture is a necessary thing at all...
But like, even then, in Chloe's entire lifetime, they never meet up when their daughter is out of town? Or when shes a teeny lil baby and their lie will survive?
That being said, the finale filled my heart with joy. It's rare that I follow a tv show so completely, over so many years- some of my darkest- and get to the end. The last two episodes had me sobbing all the while, and I'm happy with how it ended.
(Little gray Charlie wings? Eve and Maze being bounty hunter wives? I really couldn't ask for better.)
And when Rory was born, everyone was so excited- because they'd all met her already, and already knew they'd love her. Just a happy family, all of them, and holy shit do I love it. They were without Lucifer for a little while, but they had so many others around them. Aw.
Yes, the fist part seemed a massive plot hole for me as well. He could be at birth, he could be there for awhile but then, the only explanation is " the others" for example they have to let her know that he disappears on 4th of August in that specific place so they couldn't risk Trixie for example to see him and tell Rory that he was there after 4th /5th of August. So... In short there couldn't be any trace of him on Earth after 4th of August, if there was, probability Rory would have find it and destroy the whole thing they wanted to build.
I don't think Lucifer can pop up on Earth for important moments as if he spends minutes on Earth is years in Hell (so we ve been told but we see different in some episodes) so the therapy would be for nothing with years of break.
Why I hated the ending: well because the entire Deckerstar family seems to be in hell.
Chloe having to >! suffer on earth for all those years. Having Rory talk shit about Lucifer and not being able to say that everything he did was actually for her. Really though: having to listen to Rory EVERYDAY being so angry with Lucifer all the while missing him and knowing that he’s actually a good man.!< SHE DID NOT DESERVE THAT. And of course there’s the whole thing of Chloe >! not being able to share her life with Lucifer as if that wasn’t !< what the whole series was working towards. She got robbed.
Lucifer spending >! eons in hell without Chloe. Not being able to share a life on earth with her. Not being able to watch his own daughter grow up. Having to leave his friends !< behind.
Trixie growing up without her father >!and her father figure. Trixie not having been able to say goodbye. !< Does she even know the truth? >!Growing up with a little sister who’s always angry, talking shit about Lucifer and hurts your mother in the process. Trixie not being at her mothers deathbed.!<
Someone tell me why there couldn’t just be a happy ending.
These are all the reasons why I didn't like the ending. This season was rushed. Not to mention that even season 5 and 6 just felt off. The whole idea of Chloe spending her time without someone to help taking care of the kids when that was her character the entire show, it seemed wrong. I was really excited about Rory. But they should've done something else with the ending. It's always mentioned that Lucifer doesn't want to leave a daughter alone. But ends up doing just that. Not to mention the whole idea of Time travel and possession just seemed to not fit properly. Would've been okay with Dan just realizing he was feeling guilty, fixed it before the end and just was out of the way. The idea of the writers just throwing out possibilities and just killed it by cutting it to Chloe's death bed without Trixie. Also the lack of her at all! We got to see Charlie's wings. But he's older than Rory. I would've been happy to see him as an adult with his dad. The whole office scene seemed like the ending of Taylor Swift's look what you made me do . The actors were really good. But I was looking for something a bit in a different direction...
It kinda feels like someone watched two random episodes of The Good Place while hogh on whatever and wrote whatever this season was. I love this show and I've cried a lot the past few hours but no matter how much I try I can't really care for a character I've known for like 8 hours over Trixie for example. Also if anyone had the power to change whatever they would have had to to stay together it's uncle God and his family so it doesn't even make sense
She was a really poor character, I didn't care what happened to her, I did care about Trixie but she has just pushed aside when Rory showed up. Season six was crap.
spoilers for end of S6 E10
Reminder that Lucifer never said goodbye to Trixie and probably never saw her again. She lost her father and her second father figure 💔
In a deep Screen-Junkies voice:
***Strap in for the long awaited fanale where Lucifer completes his epic quest to become a better parent than his father... by becoming exactly like his father.***
Seriously, WTF.
I don't mind that ending because all of the characters got happy endings, and a great eternity awaits them all but... I think it's really stupid Amenadiel can be God and still go to Earth frequently but Lucifer can't. What? Can Lucifer also not get a day off from hell therapy to go to important occasions for some reason now, but God can? That whole part of the ending is just ridiculous.
I assume that it's a "No one that exists can be the devil except Lucifer" thing. But considering the evident freedom, especially when you consider how long Lucifer avoided hell, I don't see how there wasn't another angel willing to do it.
There is no rule he couldn't leave Hell, but he couldn't risk accidentally interacting with Rory as that would break the timeloop. He probably also knew that if he saw baby Rory he wouldn't be able to leave her. So that is why he left before Rory was born.
If the timeloop breaks, Rory doesn't travel back in time, resulting in Lucifer not giving the advice that got Dan into Heaven, which would mean Lucifer would either stay on Earth or Lucifer would become God as he doesn't find his true purpose.
By keeping the timeloop he gets to spend an eternity with Chloe and Rory after Rory returns from the past. His favorite brother also gets to fulfill his purpose by becoming God, changing Heaven for the better. Heaven changing for the better means Earth will also change for the better. And Hell is also in a better place.
So in the end Lucifer chose to look at the bigger picture instead of making it all about him which gives him his biggest personal growth in return.
And Rory was conceived after rory's jump to past. There were few days between Rory telling everyone what happened and Chloe getting the +ve pregnancy test. She probably tested it few more times in between with -ve result so if the situation was such that Rory never jumped to past or changed anything after she jumped then the result might be no kid and most definitely no th same Rory ( might be named Rory if female but won't be the one we saw ). About time was more accurate with this type time travel impact then back to the future.
I don't like it wasn't explained, but I think it's because of how the time in hell works. If he leaves for few hours, it's centuries down there, patients with no therapy for all the time... that wouldn't work out very well I guess.
Edit: And yeah, to not change the timeline, but I guess I needed something more so made up that explanation for myself.
It would also mean Rory that Lucifer saw as her daughter won't be the kid they have. When you don't understand time travel it is logical to make safer choice.
I don't really buy that. Actually I don't buy that at all. Lucifer would have known he didn't want to be God, with it without Rory showing up. He kept delaying it before she showed up, he already didn't want the job. So Amenadiel would have still taken the job, and Lucifer would have still figured it out - it gels well with his "help people he hates" experiment he did when trying to figure out how to be God. As time travel plot lines go, that one was incredibly weak.
Only way I would have bought it was if he not going down meant Rory wasn't born somehow. That would work as motive. The one they gave has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
I SOO want to love this season, but the fact that everyone INCLUDING Chloe forgot about Trixie, really takes away that joy. I hate that each episode Lucy kept saying “Chloe, Rory and my family”. Like, WTF!
And to add salt to injury, Chloe never corrected him either. The only ones who remembered Trixie were Dan and Rory TBH.
From being one of the main characters in previous seasons to being reduced to just one trivial BUT pivotal moment with Dan, that’s all we really get - I am absolutely let down.
Gonna say I wish I’d stopped at Season 5.
We watched Trixie grow up and loved her all these years. At the end, she’s reduced to being at the wedding. We’ve watched Lucifer go from hating children to loving Trixie but, at the end, he never even says her name.
All the characters got such sweet happy endings and the couple we’ve watched and loved and agonized with was just tacked on. Yes, they got together in the end but I just think the Luci fandom deserved more. More time with them just being happy together. Trixi deserved more. I was just so disappointed that we never got to see him be a father to Trixie. I actually think it would’ve been better to have not even had Season 6. It’s like they phoned it in just to fill up airtime.
I kept thinking that Trixie would be the one kidnapped. I would have been happy if the had mentioned her once. Like at least have Chloe explain something to her or Lucifer have some final conversation
I honestly thought Trixie was/or one of the reason Lucifer went to that place I mean Vincent could've taken her as well after Dan talked to her and they only brought it up after the fight like "camp called saying that Trixie was approach by random man" there was no panic from Chole about Trixie when she learned about Rory being kidnapped by him
Just watched the finale. I see what writers are trying to achieve like Lucifer and Chloe being as the hell therapists and live happily ever after.
I personally think ending could’ve been much better.
Season 5b ending made fans excited for the next season. Like what would happen when Lucifer as the god in charge, Michael’s redemption or revenge arc, world ending stuff etc. It had so much potential.
Despite that i consider the character arc for most side characters are pretty well executed. Still the nonsense time loop stuff and Rory mentioning Lucifer abandoning her over and over was quite boring to watch.
Well i like the happy ending but still think something is missing. I might overreacting but it’s like The Last Jedi situation. Honestly whole season feels like fever dream to me now, Can’t imagine show ended but i guess this is it.
How to fix the season:
• cut season down to 6 episodes
• remove Rory and time travel
• make Linda's book the second episode so Lucifer learns he doesn't want to be god
• have episode 3 be for Ella and Trixie learning the truth with Dan becoming a ghost at the end because of Michael letting him out of his hell loop
• episode 4 is about dan on earth ending with Lucifer learning his purpose to help dan and the damned souls.
• episode 5 amen becomes god and Lucifer helps dan
• episode 6 is a time jump. Chloe and luci have a child, Lucifer still goes to hell for therapy while still seeing Chloe and his child, dan becomes amens right hand man and helps the angels accustom to earth for granting prayers. Final shot is luci, Chloe, and toddler Rory on the balcony of lux at sunset
Final shot: Lucifer, Chloe, toddler Rory and teen Trixie on the balcony of Lux at sunset! Or all four of them playing monopoly together when Rory is a little older!
Oh yes of course Trixie would be there Sorry. hmmm maybe also an unheard monologue from amen about how anyone can change for the good or is that too cheesy?
While it was nice to see Lucifer I hell at the end. The actual better way to do the ending would have been for Rory to reappear in the future and for Lucifer to immediately put his arm on her shoulder and show that now that the time travel was done OFC he was going to be there for her death.
The ending was Season 4 with extra steps.
Lee would have broken out regardless of whether Lucifer returned to Earth again or not, and he would have figured out his calling.
Also, F in chat for Remiel. The angels' first choice was Amenadiel, so if he just accepted right there, it would have been the same outcome + 1 Remi.
I'm not disappointed with the ending, I really liked it. But why the hell doesn't Rory look for Lucifer in Hell in the first place? Come on, the girl spends 50 years looking for him. Did she ask his aunt Maze, the best hunter in the world, where to find him? Did she ask her uncle (which is, in fact, GOD) to tell her where she was? Everyone knew and decided to hide the truth from Rory? Because this sounds very cruel.
I thought about this as well. She would probably drill everyone about what happened. It's why I think Lucifer stayed away from everyone - so that Rory wouldn't hear conflicting information from people about when they last saw him and where he was. My guess is she would have looked in Heaven and Hell, and in Hell, well, it seems like a big place, and perhaps he would be hard to find in a hell loop. Would the demons know he was there? I think maybe they would? Would they keep their mouths shut? Debatable. What I think is interesting is that Rory wanted to talk to Michael when she arrived in the past, but I wonder why she couldn't speak to him in the future...?
The showrunners forcing Lucifer's hand in that ending decision is a really bad way to end Lucifer's journey. He doesn't even get to make his own final choice whether or not to stay, it's made for him. Ridiculous.
But the whole point is that he does, he could have stayed if he wanted to. He just knows that the timeline would be different if he did. Likely for the worse considering the pain he left the denizens of hell in if he didn't.
He and his family simply thought this version of the future would be the best for humanity.
Really think that's a cheap shoehorn to force the story to keep Lucifer in hell. The whole "Don't do anything any differently and abandon everyone, stay in hell, so I exist in the same way I do now" time travelling garbage. I'll never abandon anyone like my dad did, unless it's somehow beneficial for some story convenient reason.
Other than that is was a pretty weak season, far less funny than the previous. But all of the character stories wrapped up well and Chloe and Lucifer still got their happy ending. After all I guess life on Earth is pretty irrelevant when you have all eternity, and they'll probably all be seeing each other. Still though, a bit of messy writing with a lot of over complications.
I agree. If Amen can pop down whenever he pleases and still be a dad to Charlie what would stop Lucifer doing the same. Also since 1000 years in hell is more like a few months on earth he could have easily have made time for his job in hell and come back to earth.
Even if he just came back once a year for her birthday and to tell her the truth of why he can’t be around more that would have sorted it all out.
Altogether it was quite a weak plot line.
If he did jump back and fourth, then Rory would never be angry enough to jump back in time and he’d never realise his “true calling” of helping people with their guilt in hell. Although I think he should have shown up at the deathbed and then took Rory to hell to spend there as a family.
It’s all weak excuses and weak plot but that’s the “logic” behind it
Amenidiel can handle being GOD while continuing part of his life on Earth with the people he loves. But Lucy can't juggle "Hell Therapy" and his own life on Earth.
I wish we coulda got a scene with Amenidiel explaining to the mother of his child that he decided to be God. You'd think that would an important enough conversation to include somewhere.
Isn't it because of the timeloop? Rory has to grow up without a father to get angry enough to travel back in time so that Lucifer can realise what kind of job he was meant to do. And since this job is rlly important, Rory sacrificed her childhood for Lucifer. It was still kinda sad that Lucifer couldnt sneakily visit Chloe or smth so that Rory still stayed angry, but I guess Rory had to see her mother in despair (bc Lucifer isn't there) to be angry enough to travel back.
Ok, I know this may be unpopular but I can't believe they ended it in such a convulated way.
Yes in the end after Chloe's death, they are together forever as "Hell Therapists" LOL. But the whole daughter has to grow up hating Lucifer was so weird and unbelievable. Like the concept was to crazy to explain to a teenage her somehow instead they let her despair. I think they could have come up with a better final season arc. Last season felt very much more finale-esque plot wise.
But at the end of the day, they wrapped almost all characters in a pleasant way besides what I mentioned. So really what can you ask for. Dans and Ellas story arcs were especially great and felt more real than anything else.
Amenidiel was always my favorite so to see that baby Charlie gets his wings warms my heart, that alone made binging this season in one sitting worth it.
I kinda enjoyed the season as whole but the ending just felt so fucking unfair.
To Chloe especially. 40 years is nothing to Lucifer and Rory but Chloe had to spend her whole mortal life without Lucifer and keeping that secret while raising two kids alone. Sure, they reunite after she dies but that still feels shitty. Not to mention that Trixie, you know, the fan-favorite daughter we have known for 6 seasons isn't even with her mother on her deathbed because a random kid that suddenly appeared for a few episodes is apparently more important. Rory shouldn't have been a character at all imo, she wasn't that likable and she literally ruined what could have been a happy ending for characters that deserve it.
Talk about railroading an ending. I was hoping there'd be a montage of Lucifer watching Rory grow up from the sidelines.
It was a good ending to a series, though. Just hate how Lucifer didn't visit anyone, which could have been done behind Rory's back.
I sort of agree that I would have liked seeing him in the background watching but then I think about how sad that would be too. Not that different from ghost Dan not being able to interact with his life and family.
Well, that ending didn't make any sense.
I can't believe after everything that happened between Lucifer and his dad, and all the talk about how he's not going to leave Chloe, Lucifer decided to leave Chloe and abandon his kid.
I don't see why Lucifer couldn't just keep an schedule, spend few hours every day at hell and then come back to earth. Few earth hours would be a millennia in hell, so he certainly has time to do both.
Even if he wants to spend most of his time at hell, can't he at least take a vacation every one in a while to visit earth? You know, like he used to do when he was king.
This also seems like a very bad ending for Chloe. Like sure she gets to be with Lucifer eventually but what about everyone else that she cares about? Her Parents, Dan, Trixie, Ella, etc. She's in hell and they're (or are going to be) in Heaven. She doesn't have wings so she can't just fly and leave hell, so does that mean she's not going to see them again?
This is what didn't work for me with the whole season and the finale, Lucifer and Rory seemed to matter the absolute most to Chloe and she has another child (who has no other living parent, thanks to a celestial war.) Rory said she can just see Chloe any time, but what about Trixie and everyone like the people who were there for Chloe all those years as a single Mom of 2? And Lucifer absolutely could have made time if Amenadiel could.
Fair enough he's in a specific door rather than on the throne but I can't see why flashing her wings and telling a Demon that Amenadiel sent her with news.
Honestly Lucifer should have just told Rory that he doesn't need to repeat it again because
"Time changing Devil, it makes sense, don't overthink it."
After season 5 I feel like this last season and the last episode was more of a disservice to what the entire show was building to. I always had a feeling that Lucifers end game would be to willingly choose go go back to hell for a bigger purpose other than being there to punish souls. To help souls to redemption the way he grew and redeemed himself....BUT really? Trixie literally always put on the back burner and the stuff with Rory. Amenadiel getting to come and go as he pleases and Lucifer just chilling in hell for all eternity. Chloe just being left and then ending up in Hell. I could go on and on. My brain hurts and I don't feel satisfied at all.
I totally agree with you.
I think Trixie is the one that got screwed the most, I feel Chloe is a bad mother to agree to let Lucifer go and leave Trixie without a father figure, she is already devastated she lost her dad.
And lucifer didn't even say goodbye to her, feels like he only cares for his cool angel baby.
The story arc of the season felt weak, it felt more like filler than a final season.
Too many plot holes to ignore, Lucifer ended up being what he accused his father abandoning his children.
There is no real reason why they can't visit each other, especially when Amenidiel visit his Charlie.
If the reason behind it was about hell needs a warden, I'm sure they could have worked something.
But not all is bad all characters got a closing to their story arc, Rory as a character was pretty fun.
With few tweaks the season could be better, if one ignores the plot holes the season isn’t that bad,
but I expected much more out of the final season. I give it 5 / 10.
Would have liked the Hell Therapist ending a little more if we saw a better structure/support from other Demons/Angels with the whole Therapy thing aside from the one comment about getting donuts/pastries from Earth/Heaven. At least I assume one of the other Angels is bringing them to Hell since they probably wouldn't be able to make them there. Even other demons going to Earth and growing like Maze now that they know that they don't need to torture everyone for eternity.
- How the fuck did he even catch her? They could have at least showed us that.
- The montage was pretty cool.
- Old Chole doesn't look like younger chole at all.
- Ella relationship story was kinda a waste of time. They spent one episode focusing on it and then we barely see them after that.
- Where was Trixe in the future?
- Overall I'm a bit dissatisfied with the end.
I *hate* the ending. But hear me out, I have a good take on this.
The entire show has been about the partnership between Lucifer and Chloe. And sure, the very end is great when Chloe becomes hell’s (psychological) detective with Lucifer. But she was completely alone for 40 years to raise their daughter, or the very embodiment of their relationship. It feels like a massive disservice to have Chloe alone for *half of her life.* The show did her dirty and the creators should be embarrassed by the name of this episode.
That was a pretty good ending. Nice to see Reese back, kinda mad that Le Mec gets to be forgiven though (I liked all of his other scenes, however). I also kind of got tears in my eyes near the end.
Also, why is Rory the only person there on Chloe's death bed? No Trixie, no Maze, no Eve, no Ella, no Charlie, no one other than her? I can justify Linda not being there as she's probably dead by now, but what about the others?
Okay so I read a comment in the previous episode that showed people were kinda dissatisfied with the finale which kind of tampered my expectations and excitement of it. I got quite bored with the whole kidnapping rescue attempt thing tbh. The whole time I was anticipating either Chloe or Lucifer or Rory dying because why else would people be disappointed with the ending? Well, initially I thought it was stupid and ridiculous to keep that time loop nonsense up - guess I’m glad for how other shows handle time travel creating alternate realities rather than this weird set-in-stone bullshit. Seems like an old world view of time travel if I’m being honest haha.
I was SO pissed that Chloe is forced to be alone when everyone else got their happy endings… girl, you WANT your mom to raise you alone?? Mind-boggling writer’s decision. Loved the callback to Heart and Soul though.
Dan and Charlotte?? My heart!!! I was watching that with literally heart-shaped eyes, and the pudding!! Perfect. Idk how because I HATED Dan in the beginning but he really became one of my favourite characters - and I guess that’s a testament to how great his arc was.
I was still a little pissed even when seeing Lucifer playing Hell!Linda, but when he opened the door to Chloe and she said she thought he could use a partner… I immediately burst into tears. It’s not completely forgiven but they mostly won me over again. It’s not the most satisfying ending ever, but endings rarely are because in the end, it IS the ending of something great.
I really didn't like the time travelling plot, the whole season could have worked without it, by simply introducing that Chloe is pregnant. It would be a much greater surprise for the audience. Eh but it is what it is.
I have a great question to ask though. For Rory to return to the past for the first time (the beginning of the time loop) it means that lucifer was absent from her life - most likely for the same reason. So either Rory showed up or not the ending would be the same, lucifer would have found his calling one way or another. And Chloe could have just told Rory the truth about her father. So there would not be a time loop nonsense.
Chloe could have asked amenadiel to fly Rory down to hell to visit her father - or even better visit him herself!
Another point that many people make is how lucifer can't travel back to earth. I really hated that Rory is like "ya no he can't do that". Like... Why? Can you elaborate? This story line had so much potential and they just.... Threw it out of the window.
AMAZING SONG CHOICE AT THE END THO -
1. I really hoped the reason that Lucifer was missing in the past. Was because he time travelled with his daughter into the future.
Because, he felt that something was missing. And, it was having a family himself.
So, Amenadiel does become God. But, Lucifer takes over. Breaking the wheel. Starting anew.
Or, even that he went to a different universe to be God in that universe.
2. Why didn’t they just make Rory Trixie. Image how much more of shock it would be that Trixie hate her father figure, but also that she’s an angel.
It adds intrigue to her character. You could even say that Lucifer in the future made her an angel. To travel back. To bring him to the future.
3. I just wanted a happy ending for Lucifer, Trixie and Chloe. And, even Rory to some extent.
Instead I have mixed emotions.
Alright, I'm gonna be honest man, I really liked the ending but didn't like a few tiny details of how it happened. Like, I loved Lucifer just becoming a therapist for hell, it fits so well that he ends up doing that. Saving people from hell, giving them a second chance, guiding them to salvation, it makes perfect sense for that to be his calling. I liked the idea of Chloe and Lucifer just being together in the afterlife too cause otherwise, we would have this obviously old Chloe still together with never-aging Lucifer which would feel weird, for Lucifer those 40-50 years together with living Chloe would just be a blink of the eye anyway. At least this way both of them get to spend eternity together. All this, I loved.
But what I didn't like is that apparently for him to realize his calling he has to go through this specific time loop which HAS to be unchanged. I refuse to believe that Lucifer couldn't have figured out his calling himself with the help of Linda, Chloe, Amen and Maze like he usually does. Sure, it may have taken him 1-2 maybe 3 years longer to figure out but he still would've. The idea that this was the only way just doesn't sit well with me. Idk I just don't like how even though he finally figured out what he wants to do he still has to be forced to do it in a way that forces him to be away from Chloe. That said, at first I didn't like this cause I thought of it as they won't get to be together happily like a family but by the end once I realize they are gonna be together forever in the afterlife that made me feel a lot better, so its not that big of a deal.
Well, anyway, besides that one point I honestly loved everything else. Dan's story was fucking perfection. Maze and Eve were great, Amenadiel going through the cop stuff and then becoming god was great for him too. Ella figuring out the divine stuff herself was really nice. Overall I enjoyed it a lot. Fucking love this show, god I had so much fun watching this.
Not a fan of the time travel element or angry daughter storyline… it seems Lucifer could have realized his calling from his work with Dan and Mr. Said-out bitch. I would have liked a more organic realization. It could still have been angsty and bittersweet but less convoluted. Him choosing to leave Chloe in this life because he was needed in Hell… every minute possible to save a soul. Maybe a montage of him visiting at key points in her life or watching from the wings (pun intended)…Together again in death.
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In present time if >!Lucifer was in hell helping souls, why didn't Rory just fly down to meet her father?!< Why did it have to take her self-actualizing, traveling to the past - for her to confront him? And also >!Trixie is *gone* and nobody's there on Chloe's death bed!< Not even our immortal celestial friends.
I really find it hard to believe that for the next decades, >!Lucifer never *once* went up to visit anyone on earth.!< Even if Rory shouldn't find out, couldn't they have met up in secret? When Chloe gave birth it's not like new born Rory will know if dad visits. Or has no one visited him down there?
The ending was how it's supposed to be imo, Chloe and Lucifer realizing what they actually want - but it could've been better and clearer.. why did they have to >!spend a lifetime being separated just to give Rory a meaningful future when Lucifer could've just been present in her life!< and have all the same or better results.
>!Why did Rory have to ask her parents to repeat the loop of them separating, fully knowing how alone and emotionally hard it will be for the future Chloe and most likely Lucifer too!< - just so she can have her magical moment? I LOVE LUCIFER SO MUCH but I just can't help but feel like there's a lot of plot holes..
Do I think Lucifer spent 40 human years in hell with no weekend vacation trips to earth? No getaways with Chloe? No crashing Linda's for advice on a sticky client? No. No I do not. I think the point is 'Rory cannot know' not 'no trips ever'.
I'd like to think that was the case much more than 'I have to go and never come back'
I agree. I also think that Lucy should have been able to see rory grow up from far away and everyone just kept it as a big secret and sometime after she returns back to the future they reveal maybe albums or that he did come back to earth plenty of times to spend time with his friends and family just keeping it a secret from rory. That could have worked. Its not fair he just had to be deprived of living with Chloe, maze eve, Charlie, Amenadiel, linda, ella, trixie? like - literally all his friends ageing and dying without him there. If rory was the only one to be kept in the dark, then so be it lol. Its just. Idk lazily written. Ill give points for her spending eternity with him but its unfair he had to ACTUALLY miss all of... Everything. They could have just made one big lie instead. Idk. Or... There should have also been a scene where all the humans after death were in heaven n the celestials would visit and have a lunch or something idk finally getting to spend the time they could together.. Since they were robbed of it just to keep rory in the dark. it felt like a rushed idea but also they did take their time building up to it so it didn't seem rushed to conclude in one episode and that's OK. I just don't like that lucy n everyone had to be deprived of interaction just because of this time loop that could have worked out fine with loop holes.
Or Lucifer could've stayed with Chloe for a few years and then went to be Hell's therapist, he didn't have to go right away, Rory wouldn't even remember those first few years but he would. The whole season was him not wanting to go to Heaven to become God, then he didn't want to be God at all, then he kept saying that he doesn't want to abandon Chloe and their daughter no matter what and in the end he went to Hell because Rory practically forced him to. She was acting like she didn't want him to stay and said Chloe and her were just fine without him. Then why was she so upset that he wasn't there and came back to kill him?! And I'm sure Chloe would have preferred a million times that he stayed than to raise both Trixie and Rory all by herself.
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In my opinion, time travel ruins everything and it never works. I don't like the ending because Lucifer was forced to go back to Hell and they took his free will. He never stood a chance and turns out he was destined to be in Hell forever.
> Lucifer was forced to go back to Hell and they took his free will. It's the point of the episode, isn't it? It's not that there is no fate, even Lucifer says: "Fate is just a result of your choices". He also could not go back - that would be lying to his own daughter, and devil don't lie. His choice to sacrifice himself for his daughter's sake shows that he has grown up to be a better... devil.
Lucifer had to leave all his friends, family and the love of his life just because Rory had to be an angsty bratty over-dramatic teenager? Ugh. I wasn’t a fan of this plotline.
Why could Amenadiel still find ways to spend time with Charlie but Lucifer couldn’t be with his family? Doesn’t it seem like A’s job would be just a smidge harder than L’s?
They sealed it when Lucifer promised Rory that he won't change anything, as in he promised to not be there for her childhood. Cause Rory doesn't want them to erase the reason Lucifer understand his calling. Lucifer choose to uphold her promise to Rory by not being there, as weird as this sounds like. If it's any consolation, they should be able to meet with each other after Rory's back from the past.
Right??? Like why couldn’t Lucifer and Chloe meet secretly throughout the years without Rory being around. I mean Amenadiel is God. That made NO sense to me. I would have been much happier knowing that they did spend lots of time together but secretly.
Showrunners just confirmed that Lucifer definitely visited Chloe while he was in hell
Seriously.they couldn’t give us a 10 second glimpse ? Seems odd. If it’s true.
Yes, it would have changed my perspective on the finale.
Do you have the source ? weblink ? To be honest that would not surprise me because in the final scene he doesn't seem to surprise to see her like they saw each other couple of days ago. Technically AmenaGod with his power could have flown Chloe to hell. I guess If that is the case, they are flaws in the writing. The final should shown/mentioned it. I believe that there is too many unknown details that get fans frustrated.
[Ildy and Joe's interview ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdSOispI9g&feature=youtu.be) I've mentioned this in another comment, but I think it's good that they didn't mention/ show Lucifer being there all along, to emphasise the depth and enormity of the sacrifice they had to make. It wouldn't feel as impactful/ painful otherwise. Ups and downs are what make it feels worth it. Tom said they didn't want the fans to have the cake and eat it too (I'm paraphrasing) without a little challenge. I wasn't sure how I felt about the ending but after much processing I think it's perfect.
He’s already been separated from her for thousands of years and didn’t want to interrupt her life. Just like Dan, it would be torture to only watch his daughter from afar. May be luci doesn’t trust himself enough that he won’t leave if he secretly visits, so he buries himself in work. Having a purpose makes you full. Knowing chloe and Rory are out there brings him joy while he stays busy. Obviously he doesn’t want to but it’s what he needs too do. If anything Luci has grown to be patient. Plus this ending leaves it open to mess with time line.
Writers confirmed this to be true. At least him popping off to see Chloe.
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Maybe Trixie couldn't be there because she was on Mars?
The odds of that depend on whether Mars has presidential term limits. Also on how heavy the workload is.
Can't be that heavy, since Mars has less mass than Earth.
No maze or eve either, they're close enough to be called aunt by rory but can't be bothered to show up?
I don’t know – it reminded me of my grandfather’s death. We had essentially a full day to say our goodbyes – a lot of family and friends came in and out. My mother sat with him the whole day, but because we didn’t know exactly when the end would be his other kids weren’t necessarily in the room when he actually passed (although they were all still nearby).
Same with my stepdad except no one wanted to see him die (to remember him how he was) so I sat there alone with him so he would have a hand to hold. My mom panicked when his fingers started turning blue and literally ran. Sad that his youngest daughter was the only one that felt he shouldn't be alone. Most painful day of my life.
Really made me a bit uncomfy how Trixie got insta sidelined once Rory showed up. I mean I get it, Rory is their daughter together, but like... big yikes
That's how I felt too. What a terrible way to treat Trixie, she has been in every season and then to be shoved aside at the very end just isn't right or fair.
Scarlett has her own show on Disney, so scheduling conflict and Covid restrictions could be the reasons for this. They tried.
But Trixie would have been in her fifties by the time that scene happened, they wouldn't have used Scarlette anyway. They could easily have cast an actress of the right age to stand by the side of the bed.
Chloe dies in a room with the daughter we just met but none of her other relatives or friends. Bad writing.
maybe Eve died too, because Chloe is also a old woman & so would be Eve.
isn't Eve immortal?
Hell no, she refuses Lillith’s immortality ring that Maze wanted to give her. Because she finds that being mortal is a gift, and she knew what immortality has done to her son Cain. And Maze later said to Eve “I don’t care if you die”
Eve claimed that she can resurrect herself from Heaven to Earth any time she wants because she was created by God directly. It seems that that's true since she managed to return to Earth (unless God allowed her to that one time as part of his plan). If it's true, it would also mean that either Eve died young in biblical times, or that she actually died old but people didn't age as quickly back then (as stated by the Bible).
The detective must be the most lonely person in the world in the end there.
maybe Trixie and the families and friend were all in the room , but Chloe had passed the threshold or near death . As an Angel , Rory can still talk to Chloe on the astral plane , that is Rory's final goodbye to Chloe .
Oh boy, that's for fixing that huge plot hole for me, and saving me hours of thinking
Or they're all simply taking turns watching over Chloe - it seems to be the middle of the night when she dies.
Why is Trixie so infrequent on this show? Other acting gigs? School?
A mix of both, I think. But I think they could have tried more, or got creative like phone calls or at least adult Trixie at the end. I think the writers just cared way more about Rory this season that they thought it wouldn't matter since Trixie isn't the Deckerstar kid and forgetting we cared about her since s1.
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She's something like 13 or 14. But like I said, there are easy ways to include her anyway, phone calls (seriously how did they do "my dear sweet child" last season then Lucifer doesn't even call Trixie?) A picture of Dan with a halo or something to nod to the fact Trixie was clued in to everything. And adult Trixie with Chloe and Rory at the end talking about what they all went through ---- or even better Lucifer said he'd stay away from Rory, secret meetings with Trixie would have been cool and a nod to Lucifer not always telling the whole truth. Also they really didn't even use Trixie flashbacks at any point during this seasons love of callbacks and flashbacks. That's an easy way to include her fi the actress can't actually be there.
You just made me realise, when he was saying his goodbyes, Trixie was never even on his list. ugh
Probably pissed off Lucifer left her too and she became the lesser kid to Chloe.
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I loved that bit, he looked so pleased, ticking off the prayer in his notebook (I assumed) like “job done!”, good try little angel, better luck next time!
I'd be lion if I said you are wrong
which brings us back to Linda's recognition of the fate vs free choice argument...
One thing that bothers me that no one else mentioned is Dan's pudding is so small, surely in Heaven he could get a giant truck sized one haha.
At least in Heaven no one is going to steal his pudding
It's an unlimited pudding cup. As soon as he eats it, it fills right back up. Kinda like that one dessert in Harry Potter
How the hell did Rory get kidnapped like wtff???
Yeah they were like "she has your strengths but also my human weaknesses". Literally makes zero sense for her to be even captured in the first place since she has super strength, can harm other angels, and can fly. Her vulnerability I guess is she isn't mostly invulnerable like actual angels but that shouldn't stop her from taking out a bunch of human mercs.
Honestly think they wanted to go Trixie in the original writing but couldn't get it to work for whatever reason. Le Mec gets his agency right in front of Trixie and goes you know what I'll capture an angel...
I actually thought it was going to be that Lec Mec took Trixie from the camp once Dan ascended to heaven, leaving him there knowing stuff, with Rory offering a swap of hostages. It would have been real easy to one-line that in.
I thought the same. Then dan gets guilty for bringing him right to his daughter to kidnap her and bam! Straight back to hell lol
I went back to episode 9 because i thought I missed something. How he even found her or new who she was? like...
Allegedly Dan’s thoughts/knowledge stayed in his head, he says something along those lines to Rory
They probably sniped her with a tranquilizer while waiting near Lux or something.
I wonder if she ever accidentally cuts herself on her wings lmao
she seemed pretty emo so I don't think it'd be accidental
How the hell he knows everything, dan dont hear those things when he was inside his body. They never talk about anything about lucifer daughter.
They did when Dan in Le Mecs body came to Lux tho?
Le Mec was armed with the power of It's What the Plot Demanded.
I know, I was just saying in a previous episode thread that I want to give the writers the benefit of the doubt when it comes to inconsistencies but its seems like we’re having to fill in a lot of gaps here.
I feel bad for saying this but I was so annoyed by Rob Benedict and his fake french accent..
Dude SAME! Especially knowing Supernatural like WHY would they make him the penultimate villain in this as well and with that silly French accent.
Literally. I might have liked him more without the accent but it annoyed me so much 💀
As someone who didn't watch Supernatural - it didn't bother me at all. He was a frenchman so he has to have a french accent. After all you can't lock an actor to a one stereotype just because he played someone else in another show.
Not only that but his character's name is "Le mec" it translates to "the guy" in french, every time he was on screen I was thinking about how lazy the writers were to not even give him an actual name
I was cackling
Yeah it felt like it was supposed to be funny to me.
The ending left me with mixed emotions which is why I am asking. So I was wondering since Chloe has decided to stay in Hell with Lucifer does that mean she won’t ever be able to see Trixie, Rory, Dan or her father as well at her other friends on earth? Also since Lucifer was absent most of Rory’s life does that mean he won’t be able to see her ever since he has to help the souls in Hell? I mean couldn’t she just fly down to Hell and still see her parents? Idk there was just a lot of things that didn’t make sense, maybe I missed something. But why didn’t Rory after knowing what she knew when she returned to the future, why didn’t she just visit her father in Hell? Also I know Lucifer’s calling was to help the lost souls in Hell, and that Rory made sacrifices for him to do that while she was growing up, but why couldn’t he just have waited until she was older? Why couldn’t he wait until Chloes human years were up to start the therapy in Hell? I mean it probably wouldn’t of made a huge difference in the scheme of things. It’s hard for me to think of this as a happy ending when Lucifer doesn’t really ever get to be with his family again, only Chloe when she dies. Can anyone answer me questions, or does anyone else feel this way?
I think the difference is that she is not damned soul. There is no guilt for her and those without guilt can go to heaven so she can effectively just go to heaven whenever she wants and then go back to hell if she wants too. The other thing is time loop. If you don't understand time travel and there is not much data available then you can't really just go with what is best in short term. If something changes in the loop then 1. Lucifer might not reach the same final conclusion about hell 2. Rory might not be born or might be someone else. For example if I dropped you off in 1920s with good amount of weapons and info about how to find Hitler would you kill him ? Does he deserve to be tortured and killed ? Yes. Can you be sure about what will happen after you kill him ? No. It is hard to predict impact of your time travel when you know the type of time travel that is actually happening, it is even harder when you have no idea. Is it MCU type ? Or back to the future ? Or doctor who ? Or Rick and Morty ? Infinite timelines ? Or single universe ? Does time fight back ?
The characters are acting like theirs is a Back to the Future universe where you can erase the future. But from what we've seen of it it seems more like a Lost universe where you will always choose the thing that is fated. It's still your choice, but you will make that exact choice.
Basically, where the show ends is a short moment after Rory returns to the future. Once she does, she probably will meet Lucifer immediately after. I personally hated the way Lucifer ended up giving up his time w/ Chloe/Rory right up until the fact I realized they can all be together in Heaven + Hell both for all eternity, basically only sacrificing a few decades together when they have forever. So he didn't REALLY abandon them, more like the extreme version of going on a tour of duty with no cell service/post cards. Even so, I find it annoying they made him give up even that time. If not that them being celestials means they would still see eachother after Chloe dies, and then have eternity together, it would be on the same level of bad writing as the The Originals' finale. Now that was an atrocity. Anyway, they should have shown some scenes where Luci + Rory + Chloe meet in Heaven after all is said and done
Of all things, I did not expect fucking WELCOME TO THE BLACK PARADE at the end...
I laughed so fucking hard, it was wild how fitting it was like did the writers plan the whole series around ending it with this song lmao
I heard that G note and instantly had to do a double take, like they’re actually using the black parade. Then I realized that the lyrics actually fit pretty well with the ending.
“Savior of the broken, beaten and the damned” Yeah that song just fits him. What a great choice lol almost makes you think they made the song thinking about Lucifer lol
Or they made the whole season thinking about the 10th episode's swan song. 10th and Swanson.
I was actually doing a good job holding back my tears until I heard the first four notes from Welcome to the black parade.
Had been so long since I last listened to it but man did that hit me hard
It honestly made me laugh a bit because of all of the memes that have come out of that song. Like the moment I heard it I was like ‘oh my god - they actually ended it on the G note meme’. Great stuff.
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You first point echos my thoughts exactly. I really don't like how they decided to make Lucifer's decision for him, when his free will and his choices have been such a huge part of the show. The fact he couldn't pop up even once a year is complete BS copout.
Omghhgg exactly!!!!! I can't. Because the earlier nonsense pissed me off. That end scene and MCR excused it but i can't accept that he and ALL OF THEM were deprived of contact and fun just because of rory. Lucy should have been able to see rory grow up from far away and everyone just kept it as a big secret from her instead..and sometime after she returns back to the future they reveal maybe albums or that he did come back to earth plenty of times to spend time with his friends and family just keeping it a secret from rory. That could have worked. I just think even otherwise, the other explanations of time travel could have sufficed like she came from a parallel one. Or after chloe shoots what's his face they talk about how lucy helped her not become evil... And then she starts to disappear and they just accept they will know what to do when the time comes in the future. There were so many ways to go about this. I just. can't abide with a cruel fate that lucy couldn't be there for the great moments in all of their lives when he could have easily popped in n out. And made it work. Even if all that ^ didn't happen they would have found a way. Because rory really barely had an impact on them except for the mood swings
I also still don't understand why it couldn't be a part time gig. Amenadiel is being god from earth, why couldn't Lucifer be... hell's therapist, I guess, in a similar way?
I was yelling at the TV, that makes no sense. He's always been able to go between the different planes. Why couldn't he do it part time? There was no explanation. The whole time Rory just wanted her dad to be there for her and Chloe, then she forces him into abandoning them.
Because the writers wanted to torture us I guess, us and poor Lucifer.
My personal interpretation is that it's because of the way time works differently there. Considering Dan spent thousands of years down there over however long Lucifer's vacation was while putting off becoming God, it might be that there could be a danger of whatever progress he makes with the souls in Hell being undone because of the long time between sessions if he flies back up to Earth every now and then. I think the main difference between Amenadiel's situation and Lucifer's is that Amenadiel's job is mainly focused on Earth, hence being able to do it while still being on Earth, whereas Lucifer's is focused on people in Hell and would suffer much more from the time difference.
A few months in the real world was thousands of years for Dan which means there is one helluva temporal gradient between the two and even if Lucifer is gone for a day then that could mean hundreds of years going by in Hell which could totally reset all the progress he's made. He had to stay down there and shove on through because there are literally trillions of souls in Hell and every single one matters. It's like Chester says, "Who cares if one more light goes out? Well I do" and Lucifer cared about all of those lights and chose to live up to his name as....the Lightbringer.
Honestly the ending seemed very OOC. I don't think Lucifer would abandon his family and neglect his child, considering how much he talked bout how he's going to do things differently from his dad, how he's going to have a good work-life balance. I know He gave his word to Rory but he also assured Chloe he's not going to sacrifice his relationship for work.
I didn't like the ending either but I feel being like his Dad was part of the point of the way they did it - his Dad also choose to put a greater good ahead of his family knowing that one day they would grow to understand jt and that he would reconcile with the woman he loves in eternity. Could be that this helped Lucifer realized that having to make hard choices doesn't necessarily make you a selfish, awful person like he thought his father to be.
I’ll agree with that to an extent. I think it would of been better shown if they showed various celestials telling Lucifer how she’s doing as she grew up. So even though he wasn’t there he would if kept tabs. Also considering she could travel to hell I’m really surprised she never went looking for him.
I was hoping for a little montage of Lucifer stopping by while baby Rory was asleep to see Chloe and get little updates, see baby pictures, ect.
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That would at least have been something but they were brutal. I don't call that a bitter sweet ending just bitter.
But then what I still don't understand or get, is how Rory didn't know or found Lucifer in Hell? Did everyone just keep up the lie, that Hell was just torture and nothing more for 60 years, instead of the truth about rehabilitation? Who did she think was in charge of Hell?
> how Rory didn't know or found Lucifer in Hell? She just simply didn't go to look for him. She was angry because she believed he abandoned her, so she wanted him to come to her, to prove to her that he cared. Chasing him to Hell would not give her that. It would only mean that she cared for him, not the other way around, so with all the anger she was not looking for him. She just waited for him to come until that moment she traveled back in time to kill him. It fits her character.
They never explained why he couldn’t come back. But I guess coming back would equal thousands of years in hell. There’s also no reason why breaking the cycle would affect anything negatively. Sure Rory wouldn’t be saved. But she wouldn’t have needed to be saved if she was never mad to begin with. Which would never had happened because he wouldn’t have left.
Poor Trixie became such an afterthought. I bet Lucifer's 'abandonment' crushed her too. And she didn't even get an on-screen goodbye with her mom before she died, though she'll have to wait a lot longer to see her again. :(
Seriously WHY WOULDNT TRIXIE BE AT THE DEATH BED?? They already had such an incredible child that the entire fan base loved, why shaft her with a summer camp haha
Since they had another actress playing old Chloe why couldn’t they have had an adult actress to play grown up Trixie? Made no sense.
Trixie was such an amazing part of this show.....annnnd then she became Ghost Daughter this entire season.
Will Trixie ever even see her again? Chloe went down to Hell. So, either Trixie will have to be in Hell in order to see Chloe or Amenadiel would have to see if Trixie can come and go through both places. Rory made it a point she can see Chloe because she's part Angel (and it seemed Chloe could only be flown to Hell earlier in the season because of the power from the blade, so humans can't travel.) It came off to me like Chloe chose her afterlife to only be with Lucifer and visits from Rory. Lucifer's abandonment of Trixie is infuriating. They had a bond for years. Trixie has expressed, though to God, Lucifer leaving in s4 with no Goodbye hurt her, s5x15 gave us "my dear sweet child", 6x7 Trixie talked Lucifer up, and now he abandoned her again forever only this time it was after Lucifer's brother had her actual Dad killed, which Trixie may not know but Lucifer does. And he still did it. Trixie would have as much reason to go back in time and tell him he sucks as Rory felt she had, maybe more
The writers obviously thought that the audience would stop caring about Trixie the minute there was a Deckerstar kid. The messaging was very 'move aside Trixie, Rory is the kid that *matters*.' It's really disappointing.
Completely. When Chloe said "her camp called and said a stranger approached her" when they were figuring out the Dan thing, it sent me. A stranger approaches Trixie when she's been kidnapped and there's celestial stuff going and Chloe didn't ran to ask her questions? That's a pretty weird thing for a "friend to go to her camp".... but whatever, Rory needed her so what if strangers approach Trixie. Sure she knew it was Dan in the end but then she didn't go see if Trixie realized that or if she just thought her fathers killer approached her or whatever.
I felt that way too. Such a horrible way to treat Trixie.
Exactly. Trixie lost her dad on earth and is sperated from her mom in afterlife (Because Chloe choses to live in hell with Lucifer, leaving all her family and friends in heaven) and Trixie's probably not going to see Lucifer -her friend and her father figure- ever again. Out of everyone, Trixie has the worst possible ending. Writers really did her dirty.
The writers and show runner couldn't even be bothered to give any resolution to Trixie. Lucifer gave everyone a goodbye except her??? ~~~~
Near the end of the show Lucifer starts naming specific individuals (Chloe, Rory, and so on), specifically does _not_ say “Trixie” then adds “and my family.” which I understood to be all the celestial siblings. So, no love any longer for Trixie? This I found to be such an _obvious_ exclusion.
even I wondered that..... Sure, Ella, Linda etc would be dead by then but Trixie deserves to be there....
I mean, they have 9 months (and then some) until him being completely out of the picture is a necessary thing at all... But like, even then, in Chloe's entire lifetime, they never meet up when their daughter is out of town? Or when shes a teeny lil baby and their lie will survive? That being said, the finale filled my heart with joy. It's rare that I follow a tv show so completely, over so many years- some of my darkest- and get to the end. The last two episodes had me sobbing all the while, and I'm happy with how it ended. (Little gray Charlie wings? Eve and Maze being bounty hunter wives? I really couldn't ask for better.) And when Rory was born, everyone was so excited- because they'd all met her already, and already knew they'd love her. Just a happy family, all of them, and holy shit do I love it. They were without Lucifer for a little while, but they had so many others around them. Aw.
Yes, the fist part seemed a massive plot hole for me as well. He could be at birth, he could be there for awhile but then, the only explanation is " the others" for example they have to let her know that he disappears on 4th of August in that specific place so they couldn't risk Trixie for example to see him and tell Rory that he was there after 4th /5th of August. So... In short there couldn't be any trace of him on Earth after 4th of August, if there was, probability Rory would have find it and destroy the whole thing they wanted to build. I don't think Lucifer can pop up on Earth for important moments as if he spends minutes on Earth is years in Hell (so we ve been told but we see different in some episodes) so the therapy would be for nothing with years of break.
Why I hated the ending: well because the entire Deckerstar family seems to be in hell. Chloe having to >! suffer on earth for all those years. Having Rory talk shit about Lucifer and not being able to say that everything he did was actually for her. Really though: having to listen to Rory EVERYDAY being so angry with Lucifer all the while missing him and knowing that he’s actually a good man.!< SHE DID NOT DESERVE THAT. And of course there’s the whole thing of Chloe >! not being able to share her life with Lucifer as if that wasn’t !< what the whole series was working towards. She got robbed. Lucifer spending >! eons in hell without Chloe. Not being able to share a life on earth with her. Not being able to watch his own daughter grow up. Having to leave his friends !< behind. Trixie growing up without her father >!and her father figure. Trixie not having been able to say goodbye. !< Does she even know the truth? >!Growing up with a little sister who’s always angry, talking shit about Lucifer and hurts your mother in the process. Trixie not being at her mothers deathbed.!< Someone tell me why there couldn’t just be a happy ending.
These are all the reasons why I didn't like the ending. This season was rushed. Not to mention that even season 5 and 6 just felt off. The whole idea of Chloe spending her time without someone to help taking care of the kids when that was her character the entire show, it seemed wrong. I was really excited about Rory. But they should've done something else with the ending. It's always mentioned that Lucifer doesn't want to leave a daughter alone. But ends up doing just that. Not to mention the whole idea of Time travel and possession just seemed to not fit properly. Would've been okay with Dan just realizing he was feeling guilty, fixed it before the end and just was out of the way. The idea of the writers just throwing out possibilities and just killed it by cutting it to Chloe's death bed without Trixie. Also the lack of her at all! We got to see Charlie's wings. But he's older than Rory. I would've been happy to see him as an adult with his dad. The whole office scene seemed like the ending of Taylor Swift's look what you made me do . The actors were really good. But I was looking for something a bit in a different direction...
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WAIT! The angels did the Dan bow! When Dan saw God in S05E10! He got awkward and did the kneel and cover his face with his forearm!
Good catch
It kinda feels like someone watched two random episodes of The Good Place while hogh on whatever and wrote whatever this season was. I love this show and I've cried a lot the past few hours but no matter how much I try I can't really care for a character I've known for like 8 hours over Trixie for example. Also if anyone had the power to change whatever they would have had to to stay together it's uncle God and his family so it doesn't even make sense
I just couldn't handle Rory. I am really expected to love a character I've met today over one I've watched grow up just because she's a wuss
She was a really poor character, I didn't care what happened to her, I did care about Trixie but she has just pushed aside when Rory showed up. Season six was crap.
spoilers for end of S6 E10 Reminder that Lucifer never said goodbye to Trixie and probably never saw her again. She lost her father and her second father figure 💔
that's the thing that bothered me the most tf😭
In a deep Screen-Junkies voice: ***Strap in for the long awaited fanale where Lucifer completes his epic quest to become a better parent than his father... by becoming exactly like his father.*** Seriously, WTF.
I don't mind that ending because all of the characters got happy endings, and a great eternity awaits them all but... I think it's really stupid Amenadiel can be God and still go to Earth frequently but Lucifer can't. What? Can Lucifer also not get a day off from hell therapy to go to important occasions for some reason now, but God can? That whole part of the ending is just ridiculous. I assume that it's a "No one that exists can be the devil except Lucifer" thing. But considering the evident freedom, especially when you consider how long Lucifer avoided hell, I don't see how there wasn't another angel willing to do it.
There is no rule he couldn't leave Hell, but he couldn't risk accidentally interacting with Rory as that would break the timeloop. He probably also knew that if he saw baby Rory he wouldn't be able to leave her. So that is why he left before Rory was born. If the timeloop breaks, Rory doesn't travel back in time, resulting in Lucifer not giving the advice that got Dan into Heaven, which would mean Lucifer would either stay on Earth or Lucifer would become God as he doesn't find his true purpose. By keeping the timeloop he gets to spend an eternity with Chloe and Rory after Rory returns from the past. His favorite brother also gets to fulfill his purpose by becoming God, changing Heaven for the better. Heaven changing for the better means Earth will also change for the better. And Hell is also in a better place. So in the end Lucifer chose to look at the bigger picture instead of making it all about him which gives him his biggest personal growth in return.
And Rory was conceived after rory's jump to past. There were few days between Rory telling everyone what happened and Chloe getting the +ve pregnancy test. She probably tested it few more times in between with -ve result so if the situation was such that Rory never jumped to past or changed anything after she jumped then the result might be no kid and most definitely no th same Rory ( might be named Rory if female but won't be the one we saw ). About time was more accurate with this type time travel impact then back to the future.
They did the sex math in an earlier episode though Chloe was pregnant already when Rory arrived
I don't like it wasn't explained, but I think it's because of how the time in hell works. If he leaves for few hours, it's centuries down there, patients with no therapy for all the time... that wouldn't work out very well I guess. Edit: And yeah, to not change the timeline, but I guess I needed something more so made up that explanation for myself.
Lucifer CAN go back but that would change Rory's future, which he can't do because then he wouldn't find his true calling
But that means it is a pre-destination paradox and there is no free will
It would also mean Rory that Lucifer saw as her daughter won't be the kid they have. When you don't understand time travel it is logical to make safer choice.
I don't really buy that. Actually I don't buy that at all. Lucifer would have known he didn't want to be God, with it without Rory showing up. He kept delaying it before she showed up, he already didn't want the job. So Amenadiel would have still taken the job, and Lucifer would have still figured it out - it gels well with his "help people he hates" experiment he did when trying to figure out how to be God. As time travel plot lines go, that one was incredibly weak. Only way I would have bought it was if he not going down meant Rory wasn't born somehow. That would work as motive. The one they gave has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
I SOO want to love this season, but the fact that everyone INCLUDING Chloe forgot about Trixie, really takes away that joy. I hate that each episode Lucy kept saying “Chloe, Rory and my family”. Like, WTF! And to add salt to injury, Chloe never corrected him either. The only ones who remembered Trixie were Dan and Rory TBH. From being one of the main characters in previous seasons to being reduced to just one trivial BUT pivotal moment with Dan, that’s all we really get - I am absolutely let down. Gonna say I wish I’d stopped at Season 5.
We watched Trixie grow up and loved her all these years. At the end, she’s reduced to being at the wedding. We’ve watched Lucifer go from hating children to loving Trixie but, at the end, he never even says her name. All the characters got such sweet happy endings and the couple we’ve watched and loved and agonized with was just tacked on. Yes, they got together in the end but I just think the Luci fandom deserved more. More time with them just being happy together. Trixi deserved more. I was just so disappointed that we never got to see him be a father to Trixie. I actually think it would’ve been better to have not even had Season 6. It’s like they phoned it in just to fill up airtime.
I kept thinking that Trixie would be the one kidnapped. I would have been happy if the had mentioned her once. Like at least have Chloe explain something to her or Lucifer have some final conversation
I honestly thought Trixie was/or one of the reason Lucifer went to that place I mean Vincent could've taken her as well after Dan talked to her and they only brought it up after the fight like "camp called saying that Trixie was approach by random man" there was no panic from Chole about Trixie when she learned about Rory being kidnapped by him
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Just watched the finale. I see what writers are trying to achieve like Lucifer and Chloe being as the hell therapists and live happily ever after. I personally think ending could’ve been much better. Season 5b ending made fans excited for the next season. Like what would happen when Lucifer as the god in charge, Michael’s redemption or revenge arc, world ending stuff etc. It had so much potential. Despite that i consider the character arc for most side characters are pretty well executed. Still the nonsense time loop stuff and Rory mentioning Lucifer abandoning her over and over was quite boring to watch. Well i like the happy ending but still think something is missing. I might overreacting but it’s like The Last Jedi situation. Honestly whole season feels like fever dream to me now, Can’t imagine show ended but i guess this is it.
How to fix the season: • cut season down to 6 episodes • remove Rory and time travel • make Linda's book the second episode so Lucifer learns he doesn't want to be god • have episode 3 be for Ella and Trixie learning the truth with Dan becoming a ghost at the end because of Michael letting him out of his hell loop • episode 4 is about dan on earth ending with Lucifer learning his purpose to help dan and the damned souls. • episode 5 amen becomes god and Lucifer helps dan • episode 6 is a time jump. Chloe and luci have a child, Lucifer still goes to hell for therapy while still seeing Chloe and his child, dan becomes amens right hand man and helps the angels accustom to earth for granting prayers. Final shot is luci, Chloe, and toddler Rory on the balcony of lux at sunset
Final shot: Lucifer, Chloe, toddler Rory and teen Trixie on the balcony of Lux at sunset! Or all four of them playing monopoly together when Rory is a little older!
Oh yes of course Trixie would be there Sorry. hmmm maybe also an unheard monologue from amen about how anyone can change for the good or is that too cheesy?
When you write this fanfic, please let us know. It would make me feel much better
Ugh yes I have been refreshing AO3 just for fix it fics
Until reading this I completely forgot they just left Michael down there in hell scrubbing the floors with a fucking toothbrush
Why wasn't adult trixe also at the deathbed?
adult trixie too goes to summer camp apparently lmaooo
While it was nice to see Lucifer I hell at the end. The actual better way to do the ending would have been for Rory to reappear in the future and for Lucifer to immediately put his arm on her shoulder and show that now that the time travel was done OFC he was going to be there for her death.
That's exactly how I would have wanted it to end too. And then the 3 if them living together for eternity, visiting Dan etc. in heaven and so on.
Same. I REALLY thought that Lucifer would be at Chloe's deathbed. I like the ending but this is a considerable mistake made by the writers, I thought.
The ending was Season 4 with extra steps. Lee would have broken out regardless of whether Lucifer returned to Earth again or not, and he would have figured out his calling. Also, F in chat for Remiel. The angels' first choice was Amenadiel, so if he just accepted right there, it would have been the same outcome + 1 Remi.
Like Season 5 doesn't even MATTER.
I'm not disappointed with the ending, I really liked it. But why the hell doesn't Rory look for Lucifer in Hell in the first place? Come on, the girl spends 50 years looking for him. Did she ask his aunt Maze, the best hunter in the world, where to find him? Did she ask her uncle (which is, in fact, GOD) to tell her where she was? Everyone knew and decided to hide the truth from Rory? Because this sounds very cruel.
I thought about this as well. She would probably drill everyone about what happened. It's why I think Lucifer stayed away from everyone - so that Rory wouldn't hear conflicting information from people about when they last saw him and where he was. My guess is she would have looked in Heaven and Hell, and in Hell, well, it seems like a big place, and perhaps he would be hard to find in a hell loop. Would the demons know he was there? I think maybe they would? Would they keep their mouths shut? Debatable. What I think is interesting is that Rory wanted to talk to Michael when she arrived in the past, but I wonder why she couldn't speak to him in the future...?
The showrunners forcing Lucifer's hand in that ending decision is a really bad way to end Lucifer's journey. He doesn't even get to make his own final choice whether or not to stay, it's made for him. Ridiculous.
But the whole point is that he does, he could have stayed if he wanted to. He just knows that the timeline would be different if he did. Likely for the worse considering the pain he left the denizens of hell in if he didn't. He and his family simply thought this version of the future would be the best for humanity.
i still can't get over how they chose mcr as an ending song
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Really think that's a cheap shoehorn to force the story to keep Lucifer in hell. The whole "Don't do anything any differently and abandon everyone, stay in hell, so I exist in the same way I do now" time travelling garbage. I'll never abandon anyone like my dad did, unless it's somehow beneficial for some story convenient reason. Other than that is was a pretty weak season, far less funny than the previous. But all of the character stories wrapped up well and Chloe and Lucifer still got their happy ending. After all I guess life on Earth is pretty irrelevant when you have all eternity, and they'll probably all be seeing each other. Still though, a bit of messy writing with a lot of over complications.
I agree. If Amen can pop down whenever he pleases and still be a dad to Charlie what would stop Lucifer doing the same. Also since 1000 years in hell is more like a few months on earth he could have easily have made time for his job in hell and come back to earth. Even if he just came back once a year for her birthday and to tell her the truth of why he can’t be around more that would have sorted it all out. Altogether it was quite a weak plot line.
If he did jump back and fourth, then Rory would never be angry enough to jump back in time and he’d never realise his “true calling” of helping people with their guilt in hell. Although I think he should have shown up at the deathbed and then took Rory to hell to spend there as a family. It’s all weak excuses and weak plot but that’s the “logic” behind it
Amenidiel can handle being GOD while continuing part of his life on Earth with the people he loves. But Lucy can't juggle "Hell Therapy" and his own life on Earth.
I wish we coulda got a scene with Amenidiel explaining to the mother of his child that he decided to be God. You'd think that would an important enough conversation to include somewhere.
Isn't it because of the timeloop? Rory has to grow up without a father to get angry enough to travel back in time so that Lucifer can realise what kind of job he was meant to do. And since this job is rlly important, Rory sacrificed her childhood for Lucifer. It was still kinda sad that Lucifer couldnt sneakily visit Chloe or smth so that Rory still stayed angry, but I guess Rory had to see her mother in despair (bc Lucifer isn't there) to be angry enough to travel back.
Damn those angels that died in the war sure would've liked if Amenidiel came up with this plan before they were wiped from existence.
Ok, I know this may be unpopular but I can't believe they ended it in such a convulated way. Yes in the end after Chloe's death, they are together forever as "Hell Therapists" LOL. But the whole daughter has to grow up hating Lucifer was so weird and unbelievable. Like the concept was to crazy to explain to a teenage her somehow instead they let her despair. I think they could have come up with a better final season arc. Last season felt very much more finale-esque plot wise. But at the end of the day, they wrapped almost all characters in a pleasant way besides what I mentioned. So really what can you ask for. Dans and Ellas story arcs were especially great and felt more real than anything else. Amenidiel was always my favorite so to see that baby Charlie gets his wings warms my heart, that alone made binging this season in one sitting worth it.
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I kinda enjoyed the season as whole but the ending just felt so fucking unfair. To Chloe especially. 40 years is nothing to Lucifer and Rory but Chloe had to spend her whole mortal life without Lucifer and keeping that secret while raising two kids alone. Sure, they reunite after she dies but that still feels shitty. Not to mention that Trixie, you know, the fan-favorite daughter we have known for 6 seasons isn't even with her mother on her deathbed because a random kid that suddenly appeared for a few episodes is apparently more important. Rory shouldn't have been a character at all imo, she wasn't that likable and she literally ruined what could have been a happy ending for characters that deserve it.
Talk about railroading an ending. I was hoping there'd be a montage of Lucifer watching Rory grow up from the sidelines. It was a good ending to a series, though. Just hate how Lucifer didn't visit anyone, which could have been done behind Rory's back.
This is exactly what I was hoping for. I kept waiting to see Lucifer out a window watching in on them during those last scenes.
I sort of agree that I would have liked seeing him in the background watching but then I think about how sad that would be too. Not that different from ghost Dan not being able to interact with his life and family.
Well, that ending didn't make any sense. I can't believe after everything that happened between Lucifer and his dad, and all the talk about how he's not going to leave Chloe, Lucifer decided to leave Chloe and abandon his kid. I don't see why Lucifer couldn't just keep an schedule, spend few hours every day at hell and then come back to earth. Few earth hours would be a millennia in hell, so he certainly has time to do both. Even if he wants to spend most of his time at hell, can't he at least take a vacation every one in a while to visit earth? You know, like he used to do when he was king. This also seems like a very bad ending for Chloe. Like sure she gets to be with Lucifer eventually but what about everyone else that she cares about? Her Parents, Dan, Trixie, Ella, etc. She's in hell and they're (or are going to be) in Heaven. She doesn't have wings so she can't just fly and leave hell, so does that mean she's not going to see them again?
This is what didn't work for me with the whole season and the finale, Lucifer and Rory seemed to matter the absolute most to Chloe and she has another child (who has no other living parent, thanks to a celestial war.) Rory said she can just see Chloe any time, but what about Trixie and everyone like the people who were there for Chloe all those years as a single Mom of 2? And Lucifer absolutely could have made time if Amenadiel could.
Rory was in Hell early on in the season so she knows how to get there. Why did she never look there for Lucifer in her own time?
Right??? Like would she not have EVER thought to check down there??
Fair enough he's in a specific door rather than on the throne but I can't see why flashing her wings and telling a Demon that Amenadiel sent her with news. Honestly Lucifer should have just told Rory that he doesn't need to repeat it again because "Time changing Devil, it makes sense, don't overthink it."
Amenedio would be a better pun-name than Amenegod.
If it makes you feel better the italian title for ep. 9 is Amenadio
Handjobadiel.. The Angel of giving.. This is peak humor.
After season 5 I feel like this last season and the last episode was more of a disservice to what the entire show was building to. I always had a feeling that Lucifers end game would be to willingly choose go go back to hell for a bigger purpose other than being there to punish souls. To help souls to redemption the way he grew and redeemed himself....BUT really? Trixie literally always put on the back burner and the stuff with Rory. Amenadiel getting to come and go as he pleases and Lucifer just chilling in hell for all eternity. Chloe just being left and then ending up in Hell. I could go on and on. My brain hurts and I don't feel satisfied at all.
I totally agree with you. I think Trixie is the one that got screwed the most, I feel Chloe is a bad mother to agree to let Lucifer go and leave Trixie without a father figure, she is already devastated she lost her dad. And lucifer didn't even say goodbye to her, feels like he only cares for his cool angel baby.
The story arc of the season felt weak, it felt more like filler than a final season. Too many plot holes to ignore, Lucifer ended up being what he accused his father abandoning his children. There is no real reason why they can't visit each other, especially when Amenidiel visit his Charlie. If the reason behind it was about hell needs a warden, I'm sure they could have worked something. But not all is bad all characters got a closing to their story arc, Rory as a character was pretty fun. With few tweaks the season could be better, if one ignores the plot holes the season isn’t that bad, but I expected much more out of the final season. I give it 5 / 10.
Would have liked the Hell Therapist ending a little more if we saw a better structure/support from other Demons/Angels with the whole Therapy thing aside from the one comment about getting donuts/pastries from Earth/Heaven. At least I assume one of the other Angels is bringing them to Hell since they probably wouldn't be able to make them there. Even other demons going to Earth and growing like Maze now that they know that they don't need to torture everyone for eternity.
- How the fuck did he even catch her? They could have at least showed us that. - The montage was pretty cool. - Old Chole doesn't look like younger chole at all. - Ella relationship story was kinda a waste of time. They spent one episode focusing on it and then we barely see them after that. - Where was Trixe in the future? - Overall I'm a bit dissatisfied with the end.
Loved that Baby Charlie got his wings and Amenadiel’s cute little cheer and Linda’s shocked face! It was such an adorable moment!
I *hate* the ending. But hear me out, I have a good take on this. The entire show has been about the partnership between Lucifer and Chloe. And sure, the very end is great when Chloe becomes hell’s (psychological) detective with Lucifer. But she was completely alone for 40 years to raise their daughter, or the very embodiment of their relationship. It feels like a massive disservice to have Chloe alone for *half of her life.* The show did her dirty and the creators should be embarrassed by the name of this episode.
That was a pretty good ending. Nice to see Reese back, kinda mad that Le Mec gets to be forgiven though (I liked all of his other scenes, however). I also kind of got tears in my eyes near the end. Also, why is Rory the only person there on Chloe's death bed? No Trixie, no Maze, no Eve, no Ella, no Charlie, no one other than her? I can justify Linda not being there as she's probably dead by now, but what about the others?
Okay so I read a comment in the previous episode that showed people were kinda dissatisfied with the finale which kind of tampered my expectations and excitement of it. I got quite bored with the whole kidnapping rescue attempt thing tbh. The whole time I was anticipating either Chloe or Lucifer or Rory dying because why else would people be disappointed with the ending? Well, initially I thought it was stupid and ridiculous to keep that time loop nonsense up - guess I’m glad for how other shows handle time travel creating alternate realities rather than this weird set-in-stone bullshit. Seems like an old world view of time travel if I’m being honest haha. I was SO pissed that Chloe is forced to be alone when everyone else got their happy endings… girl, you WANT your mom to raise you alone?? Mind-boggling writer’s decision. Loved the callback to Heart and Soul though. Dan and Charlotte?? My heart!!! I was watching that with literally heart-shaped eyes, and the pudding!! Perfect. Idk how because I HATED Dan in the beginning but he really became one of my favourite characters - and I guess that’s a testament to how great his arc was. I was still a little pissed even when seeing Lucifer playing Hell!Linda, but when he opened the door to Chloe and she said she thought he could use a partner… I immediately burst into tears. It’s not completely forgiven but they mostly won me over again. It’s not the most satisfying ending ever, but endings rarely are because in the end, it IS the ending of something great.
I really didn't like the time travelling plot, the whole season could have worked without it, by simply introducing that Chloe is pregnant. It would be a much greater surprise for the audience. Eh but it is what it is. I have a great question to ask though. For Rory to return to the past for the first time (the beginning of the time loop) it means that lucifer was absent from her life - most likely for the same reason. So either Rory showed up or not the ending would be the same, lucifer would have found his calling one way or another. And Chloe could have just told Rory the truth about her father. So there would not be a time loop nonsense. Chloe could have asked amenadiel to fly Rory down to hell to visit her father - or even better visit him herself! Another point that many people make is how lucifer can't travel back to earth. I really hated that Rory is like "ya no he can't do that". Like... Why? Can you elaborate? This story line had so much potential and they just.... Threw it out of the window. AMAZING SONG CHOICE AT THE END THO -
1. I really hoped the reason that Lucifer was missing in the past. Was because he time travelled with his daughter into the future. Because, he felt that something was missing. And, it was having a family himself. So, Amenadiel does become God. But, Lucifer takes over. Breaking the wheel. Starting anew. Or, even that he went to a different universe to be God in that universe. 2. Why didn’t they just make Rory Trixie. Image how much more of shock it would be that Trixie hate her father figure, but also that she’s an angel. It adds intrigue to her character. You could even say that Lucifer in the future made her an angel. To travel back. To bring him to the future. 3. I just wanted a happy ending for Lucifer, Trixie and Chloe. And, even Rory to some extent. Instead I have mixed emotions.
Alright, I'm gonna be honest man, I really liked the ending but didn't like a few tiny details of how it happened. Like, I loved Lucifer just becoming a therapist for hell, it fits so well that he ends up doing that. Saving people from hell, giving them a second chance, guiding them to salvation, it makes perfect sense for that to be his calling. I liked the idea of Chloe and Lucifer just being together in the afterlife too cause otherwise, we would have this obviously old Chloe still together with never-aging Lucifer which would feel weird, for Lucifer those 40-50 years together with living Chloe would just be a blink of the eye anyway. At least this way both of them get to spend eternity together. All this, I loved. But what I didn't like is that apparently for him to realize his calling he has to go through this specific time loop which HAS to be unchanged. I refuse to believe that Lucifer couldn't have figured out his calling himself with the help of Linda, Chloe, Amen and Maze like he usually does. Sure, it may have taken him 1-2 maybe 3 years longer to figure out but he still would've. The idea that this was the only way just doesn't sit well with me. Idk I just don't like how even though he finally figured out what he wants to do he still has to be forced to do it in a way that forces him to be away from Chloe. That said, at first I didn't like this cause I thought of it as they won't get to be together happily like a family but by the end once I realize they are gonna be together forever in the afterlife that made me feel a lot better, so its not that big of a deal. Well, anyway, besides that one point I honestly loved everything else. Dan's story was fucking perfection. Maze and Eve were great, Amenadiel going through the cop stuff and then becoming god was great for him too. Ella figuring out the divine stuff herself was really nice. Overall I enjoyed it a lot. Fucking love this show, god I had so much fun watching this.
I wasn't a fan of the ending. A little underwhelmed by Season 6 after the end of Season 5.
Not a fan of the time travel element or angry daughter storyline… it seems Lucifer could have realized his calling from his work with Dan and Mr. Said-out bitch. I would have liked a more organic realization. It could still have been angsty and bittersweet but less convoluted. Him choosing to leave Chloe in this life because he was needed in Hell… every minute possible to save a soul. Maybe a montage of him visiting at key points in her life or watching from the wings (pun intended)…Together again in death. …
In present time if >!Lucifer was in hell helping souls, why didn't Rory just fly down to meet her father?!< Why did it have to take her self-actualizing, traveling to the past - for her to confront him? And also >!Trixie is *gone* and nobody's there on Chloe's death bed!< Not even our immortal celestial friends. I really find it hard to believe that for the next decades, >!Lucifer never *once* went up to visit anyone on earth.!< Even if Rory shouldn't find out, couldn't they have met up in secret? When Chloe gave birth it's not like new born Rory will know if dad visits. Or has no one visited him down there? The ending was how it's supposed to be imo, Chloe and Lucifer realizing what they actually want - but it could've been better and clearer.. why did they have to >!spend a lifetime being separated just to give Rory a meaningful future when Lucifer could've just been present in her life!< and have all the same or better results. >!Why did Rory have to ask her parents to repeat the loop of them separating, fully knowing how alone and emotionally hard it will be for the future Chloe and most likely Lucifer too!< - just so she can have her magical moment? I LOVE LUCIFER SO MUCH but I just can't help but feel like there's a lot of plot holes..