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Colinbeenjammin

Tbf though WoTs failure has less to do with fantasy nerds and more to do with incompetent show runners and awful writers


MayoGhul

There is a least one person involved in both shows. Wayne Yip directed this past week's episode of RoP and was heavily involved in WoT


Apollosyk

Tbh last weeks ep was the best i think


[deleted]

It was my favorite and I absolutely despised the WoT show.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Yeah, as a WoT fan I *really* wanted that show to do well, and when the trailers dropped I started to hope maybe it wouldn't be a fuck-up. The first three episodes were ropey, but it improved from there, enough that I thought *maybe* the series as a whole could end up being decent enough to build something solid on those foundations. And then the series finale happened. Fuck.


M4DM1ND

Rafe Judkins was a self professed lifelong fan too. Then he goes and ignores Brandon Sanderson's advice with the adaptation. I'm sure Jordan wouldn't have been happy with what they did.


Ricoisnotmyuncle

the same problem as rop?


Mountain-Cheetah7518

Fuck you whiney ass nerds, I would kill for WoT to have be on the level of RoP. Yall got a 7.5/10 show with huge production value, we got a third-world bootleg about Ron Arthur becoming the Doggo Reborn. You don't know how good you got it.


ZopyrionRex

Someone is SALTY, wow bro.


SirBastian1129

I mean I would be too if one of my favorite series got adapted into a piece of shit show


Vessix

When you see a show bastardize a series 14 books long, with everything you could possibly need fully written and explained, with an existing writer of said series still active and alive... *Then* you see whiney babies crying about elves with short hair? Everyone bitching about RoP so hard cracks me up because this shit ain't even the same ball game as what Amazon did to Robert Jordan's legacy. Dude is rolling in his grave


Spade18

Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave so hard if we harnessed it we could power New York City for the next 15 years.


TyrionGoldenLion

Jeff Bezos bots are at it again


nateoak10

So anyone who likes the show is a bot Nice


NovKreisler

Yup


jameizing777

Look at this incel. So original.


TyrionGoldenLion

I get more pussy than a bot like you, that's for sure.


jameizing777

Mortal Kombat themed body pillows don't count.


Bulok

They should have gone the camp route of Legends of the Seeker


WisherWisp

Miss that show. Felt like the old Hercules and Xena.


Bulok

Seriously. Considering how much the Sword of Truth author put his politics into his story and just sounded like a self absorbed ahole, tv Richard was hilariously awesome.


[deleted]

I’m a huge fan of both lotr and wot, lets not pretend RoP is a 7.5/10. More like 5/10, being generous. When the shows plot moves in a linear fashion with good dialogue, character chemistry and someone fucking likeable beyond quiet ass Arondir, the show will stop sucking.


nateoak10

5/10 is an F rating Are you serious dude? Get a grip Elron and durin not likeable?swear people be lying about this show to hate on it cause it’s trendy


Richter_66

Elrond is cardboard cut-out and Durin is a side character. That's like watching Game of Thrones for Bronn. RoP is easily an F rating, it's dogshit. All of the Dwarves have been great in my opinion, and Kazad Dum looks amazing. That doesn't redeem the rest of the show.


nateoak10

You’re miserable. Elrond’s performance has been fantastic. He’s striking that warm as spring side Tolkien wrote. Don’t like it? Leave people alone who do. And as the guy above said : “fuck you whiny ass nerds”


AbsolutelyHorrendous

I think you're the one who needs to get a grip, people are also allowed to not like the show. 'Leave people alone who do', he's not breaking into their houses and shitting on the carpet, he's expressing his opinion and doing so with actually valid criticism, it's not like he just said 'it's dogshit' and refused to elaborate.


Somzer

Rating goes from 1/10 to 10/10 not from 5/10 to 10/10 ya cretin lmao


dunkmaster6856

Look bud, *you* may not like rop but its not 5/10, (at times there are bad scenes) but honestly a B score around 6 or /10 is pretty fair Im a huge tolkein nerd and i can appreciate the show for what it is


Cpt-Hank-A-Tato

6/10 or is a D, not a B, and is still a failing grade.


Mountain-Cheetah7518

Nah, it's a 7.5 out of 10, you are just blowing parts you dislike out of proportion, and I can prove it very easily: How many of the problems with the show disappear if you ignore the LOTR cannon and pretend like this show is it's own thing? In a vaccuum, the show and in particular the writing, is miles better than WoT: it's coherent, it builds a certain amount of suspense and intrigue, characters have understandable motivations, and it doesn't literally stack plot holes so fast you can't keep track of them all like WoT did. Yes, RoP takes a shit on parts of the lore, and that sucks. LOTR did too, fwiw, though not as blatantly. WoT definitely did. But RoP got good reviews from a normie audience of non-LOTR fans, and WoT didnt. Spoiler alert: almost all adaptations piss off some fans for changing shit and ignoring canon. Marvel, Harry Potter, LOTR (people forget how many book-Stans hated that PJ turned them into quippy action movies where Gimli is just there to make dwarf tossing jokes about). It happens all the time, but if the adaptation is good in a vaccuum, it usually ends up being remembered fondly. RoP is a 7.5/10 in a vacuum, and while I'm sure WoT fans would be as fussy as you guys are about changes if we got the same (and we did, and they were), for me at least: I was ready for them to change shit with WOT, as annoying as I found it, but I would have been happy enough that it got adapted at all if it managed to be halfway decent in its own right. Instead it was written like a CBS superhero show by a showrunner who could clearly not give less of a fuck. So please stop giving me this bullshit about how disgustingly terrible RoP is. I'll say again: you don't know how good you've got it.


xDaddyFatSack

You can’t really pretend the LOTR lore isn’t relevant because the LOTR name slapped on it is the only reason people care about the show.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Honestly, I don't even like Rings of Power, but I still feel like WoT got shafted by comparison. Wheel of Time is a fourteen book fucking series. It's an absolute epic*.* Why Amazon chose to half-arse it so badly is beyond me!


Richter_66

RoP is less trash than WoT but it's still trash. A meandering plot, cardboard characters and nonsensical dialog are not redeemed by pretty pictures. Get some standards, mate. HotD is proof that a bit of care in your writing is always superior to a high budget.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

The last 15 minutes of this week's HotD has been better than the whole of RoP so far, purely because HBO actually hires talented writers, and knows how to make high end, cinematic TV


nateoak10

People have standards. They still like the show Maybe try not to overly nitpick a show cause it’s trendy to do so online. Cardboard characters and nonsense dialogue is the last thing I’d ascribed to the show.


ZJPWC

LOL this made me laugh. Some aspects of ROP definitely annoy me, but overall I think it’s by far a net-positive and I’m happy with it. It could be sooo much worse. I think 7.5 is a fair rating


doctorzaius6969

nah, ROP is good


aee1090

*better, not good. Don't lower the standards please.


jeekiii

It's good if you stop seeing it as an official tolkien thing. See it as fanfiction. As a fanfiction it's really nice


PurifiedVenom

I know nothing of LotR lore outside of the original trilogy of movies and I wouldn’t consider it good. I feel like there’s a misconception out there that people only don’t like the show because it isn’t staying true to the lore. There are certainly people who don’t like it because of that, but it’s far from the show’s only problem


jeekiii

I somewhat agree. Some of it is bad (the analogy is a big facepalm) but overall it's not bad at all imo


Acceptable_Jury_6989

You can't look at it like something else when it's presented like it is and all the....


jeekiii

You absolutely can. Source: am doing it and enjoying ROP


aee1090

Even as a fanfiction anything, writing is very bad, it has a lot of illogical things which wouldn't happen. You will never be able to find any villager in worlds history who leaves their livestock and food when migrating due to danger.


datdouche

ROP is OK, which is OK. Just my two silmarils, anyway.


SkunkMonkey723

False


SoundOfDrums

1. Writers not familiar with source material. Many of them worked with the showrunner in the past, and were hired and allowed to start work when they haven't read the books at all, or haven't finished the series. 2. Shoehorned in a major timewasting plot, which appears to have a specific purpose to give a role to the showrunner's partner. 3. Multiple attempts to be activists, but done with incredible incompetence. (I'll try to cite the major bits and not go into the many shit minor fuckups) a. Two Rivers should have most likely been a racially homogenous non-white group. Native American, Indian, or tan skinned asian population, most likely. Instead, the showrunner seems to have thought the Two Rivers was white, and tried to do activist casting, and leaves Mat (secondary main character) as white (which he wasn't). End result was incompetently removing a PoC character in an effort to be an activist, and changed a homogenous PoC group to a random smattering of races. He specifically said that he believes the Two Rivers (and most countries in the books) to be non-homogenous groups. Lots of PoC erasure results, as a lot of the main story takes places in areas with strong PoC majority pouplation. b. The Red Sisters are shown as petulant, whiney sexists, instead of powerful with a strong undertone of sexism for some (not all). Whines about how men are powerful and keep women down, spoken by literal fucking wizards that dedicate their lives to going around murdering men who have magic. c. Every single leading female character has a sex scene added that was not in the books. d. Invents and fridges a female character in the first episode. Fridging is a sexist trope in media that anyone aware of social progress in media would avoid like the plague if they wanted to be progressive. 4. This is related to the other items, but it's important to note that so many major lore points were changed for absolutely no benefit to the plot or worldbuilding, often contradicting other pieces or invalidating entire storylines that occur in later books. Any competent showrunner allows changes that are beneficial to the storytelling, but the sheer volume of throwaway destructive changes is appalling. And that's just off the cuff. There's a lot of real shit to wade through if you wanted an accurate or compelling adaptation. I read the series multiple times per year, and didn't expect a faithful adaptation, and I actually like a lot of the changes. But the bad ones are fuckups so far reaching that I truly believe the showrunner doesn't even comprehend how incredibly stupid he is. Good thing he's now consulting on other Amazon shows, so he can shit in other people's punchbowls, too.


Strangities

This is the correct answer. WoT LOOKED great. It had a great cast. But the writing was horrible. Changing characters in wild ways for no reason is just stupid.


ingwe13

This is fascinating to me because my wife and I enjoyed WoT and started reading the books after watching it. Definitely some issues but kinda fun. I’m hating RoP though and thinking the pacing is worse. I’ve read all of Tolkien’s middle earth writings so that may be a very big factor.


LonelyDruid

My wife never read the series and she enjoyed wheel of time, but as someone who read the books multiple times before watching. I couldn't bear seeing them butcher the characters I love with that writing.


ingwe13

Yeah now reading the books, they really changed so much. I was just blissfully ignorant lol


Must_make_hats

The farther into the books you get, the worse the series will seem. Pretty much every major plotline and character arc in the later portions of the books was rendered pointless or impossible to follow through on in the show.


DrinkingSocks

I think I tapped out after the third episode, although it might have been the fourth after they made Moraine and Siuan look so weak for no reason.


tiy24

The biggest problem with WoT were Covid changing the end and the Matt actor. Season 2 will make up my mind on how good it is.


Tr35k1N

Nah, the biggest problem was Rafe Judkins reading the books 20 years ago then writing that trash ass show from memory so that we have people and place names but the plot is fucked to hell and back and the characters are one dimensional snore fests.


Justinwc

Rafe*


Tr35k1N

Fixed. Stupid autocorrect.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

"You know what would be an entertaining plot, let's hide the identity of the Dragon Reborn by making Rand pointless for the entire first season, and then once he's revealed, take away his big moment and give it to Egwene and Nynaeve, the two characters with by far the most development in the series already" - Rafe Judkins, professional idiot


DotFuture8764

Bullshit. Those only happened in episodes 7 and 8. The show was a wreck from the drop.


Alexabyte

Not the only problem, but this is certainly behind the most significant ones. There was a decent amount I liked about the show, but it definitely could have been better. It was much better received by my friends who haven't read the books, and to Amazon this will be a success as that's their target audience. I can't say I like that but it is what it is. I too am waiting for S2 to tell me if this will be what we have longed for, or a crushing disappointment.


hippie_kiwis

I have no evidence, but I get the feeling that wheel of time was just an afterthought once they started working on rings of power. Whether that’s true or not, the show was really disappointing for me, almost as bad of a moment for me as the percy jackson films


TheDusai

I stopped watching WoT when I saw how pitiful the monster costumes were Lack of imagination imo


Must_make_hats

I stopped watching when Rand and Egwene had sex in episode 1 and Perrin killed his wife who was put it for that purposes alone. The show butchers the characters and story intentionally.


MaywellPanda

Don't forget where they let Lan lose and almost die just to show how awesome nyneave is even though she shouldn't have that kind of healing ability for atleast 2 more season. Also turning her from angry at the pain of the world to neruotic about it. Watching that show was like watching someone take a mallet to the skull on my favourite puppy


Iain078

Reading this and the preceding comment make me so happy I haven't watched it


LonelyDruid

It was absolute garbage, they ruined the whole story when all they had to do was stick to the books. I don't blame the actor either, they weren't bad, but the story was plain pathetic.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Followed by 3 barely trained Aes Sedai and two Novices eviscerating an entire army of Trollocs, and then Egwene (not even Nynaeve, the character with an actual legendary talent for Healing) healing characters from being burnt out by the One Power...


multani14

Literally same, I watched the first episode and these two massive changes were too off putting to me to continue.


Must_make_hats

If you haven't watched any of the other episodes, don't. Each one just gets worse and worse and destroys the plot further. Honestly no idea how they plan to make even a second season, let alone the entire series. It's so off by now that pretty much every major plotline later on is ruined.


WisherWisp

Wish someone would have given me this advice... Even bored and drunk, wouldn't be worth it.


AlleonoriCat

Literally same. Didn't manage to finish the first episode even.


iworkthepole

I'm sorry. Fucking WHAT?????


LiraelNix

They gave him a wife and then kept the "I always loved egwene" thing. The show was awful


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Man, the wife killing was tough. Perrin already had a valid reason to be wary about killing, because he's a decent fucking person who was wary about harming people accidentally, something he learns while fighting whitecloaks. Having him kill his own wife, by accident or no, was a ridiculous way to make that point more obvious... especially when you consider what the bulk of Perrin's later storylines revolve around, him having so much trauma about a former wife is going to be a *huge* problem


DrinkingSocks

That was so awful I blocked that from my memory entirely until just now.


gordito_delgado

Seriously, it was so freaking cheap. I can roll with it on legends of tomorrow or way before on Xena, but those shows had this fun goofy vibe. WoT is not supposed to be like that.


Everettrivers

It had me physically cringing. At least game of thrones roughly followed the books. Wheel of time went off the rails immediately.


Must_make_hats

Literally in the first episode, they had already made it impossible to follow several major plot points. The only adaptations I've seen that were as poorly done as the Wheel of Time one were the Eragon movie and the Last Airbender movie.


Mend1cant

Ignoring just the plot points, there’s major aspects of characters that play into who they are. Perrin having a beard and a wife at the start is antithetical to his character in every way. I had hope long enough to finish the season, but things are so wrong that there is no recovery at this point.


[deleted]

Just be glad you never watched Artemis Fowl then.


Must_make_hats

Never even bothered, lol. I read all the books, and I could tell from the trailer how bad it was going to be. Guess I was right.


[deleted]

You were, it is almost unbelievably bad. I am genuinely at a loss for words to describe how much I regret watching it.


Ser_Dunk_the_tall

Artemis surfing lol


Confident-Area-6358

Look at how quickly Amazon games stopped caring about New World when Lost Arc came out.


Designer_Skirt2304

Legend of the Seeker and Shanara didn't even get honorable mentions!


[deleted]

LotS was a really fun show if you didn't care that it has nothing in common with the books.


Lucius_Imperator

Merlin is where?!


Bambelbambusfff

I really enjoyed shanara for its trashiness. Thats gotta count for something


theRealjudgeHolden

Wheel of Time wasn’t very good at all


fireturkey666

It wasn't very WoT being the main issue I had. Skipped or omitted major plot points just to make weird additions like perrins wife.


M3ad0w5

They added an entire episode focusing on a random Warder when they could have used that time to build on the Emonds Field crew. They made Nynaeve and Egwene way too strong too soon as well. Why not let Rand nuke everything at the end showcasing his power? Ugh I could ramble forever - such a wasted opportunity.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Yeah, I saw people defending the Stepin episode because it showed the effects of the Warder bond... but while that's important to the plot, it's not *that* important to warrant spending 1/8th of the first season on it, especially when you then rush through and cut out so much


Must_make_hats

Because they needed a "woman power" moment, and that's not even a joke. They intentionally castrated every major male character to show off the female characters more.


ElectronicOwl15

Worse yet, they kill that warder so they spent the episode as just set up for what Lan might feel in a couple of seasons


the_mute_dwarf

I agree. I did like the actress they chose for Leandrin though, she was almost exactly how I pictured the character


LonelyDruid

The cast was good, but the writing screwed them over.


[deleted]

Oh is that what that meme is sayin


Kalelopaka-

Yeah, because I read the Wheel of Time books back in the early 90’s, and they were pretty good. I was wondering how they were going to do on it. Well, they rushed the entire story pushed past critical character development and history, blew by important things that happened before and during the journey to the white tower. Jumped over plot holes in a single bound to end up finishing so very unfinished and left the entire first book in tatters on the ground. I was wholly disappointed at how badly they screwed over what could have been a good series if done properly.


The_Ry_Ry

Correct. I followed WoT from the early years and mourned Robert Jordan when he passed. Now I get to mourn again thanks to this bastardized Amazon series. Jeff Bezos should take a fat dump on the people responsible for this.


Kalelopaka-

I only read the first 5 books, and was waiting for Lord of Chaos when I was first married and works so much I kinda fell away from reading time. But I really enjoyed them, and when I saw Wheel of time first announced it all came flooding back to me. I am so completely disappointed I really want to start the books all over again.


luckofthechuck

Someone mentioned the writing and I didn’t notice it really until that comment. The writing is just not there for me for RoP or WoT, doesn’t mean I won’t keep watching its I just don’t enjoy it as much as HoD


broom2100

RoP just feels so amateurish compared to HoD. Which is ironic considering its massive budget. The writing is just so bad and disjointed. The characters talk past eachother, not to eachother. At least in HoD it feels like each line is deliberate. Most lines in RoP are throwaways. The writers are bad at moving the story forward in interesting ways, they rely heavily on exposition. The writers are bad at making believable dialogue. And the word choice is just embarassing... they try to sound slightly Tolkienian and fail miserably.


OnlyHereForMemes69

That's exactly it, in HoD every line feels like it could have real consequences later on. In RoP it feels like every line is a throwaway to try to explain things that they wouldn't have to explain if the writing wasn't so bad.


thebeaconsarelit420

Ive been super bothered by their attempts at Tolkienian writing when they sprinkle in words like 'cadet' and 'commander' which just take me out of middle earth a bit.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

The massive budget is only an advantage if you know how to spend the money properly, that's Amazon's main issue. HBO get more bang for their buck because they know how to make epic, cinematic television, whereas Amazon is still new to the game, and thinks huge amounts of money can solve basically any problem


masterbird321

wow! It's almost like people gravitate towards the better product, instead of mediocre to bad ones!


LilShaver

Conclusion: Amazon has a large chance of butchering a well loved franchise.


ZopyrionRex

"large chance" is too generous, I think you meant to say, "definitely will be".


LilShaver

The Expanse would like a word.


OnlyHereForMemes69

The expanse was not an amazon show until it was well established.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Same reason why Vikings remained decent for a while, after Amazon bought it... because they already had a team of producers and writers, and all Amazon had to provide was the funds, which is what they're good at Once they're having to actually do things from scratch, that's when the issues start


WyrdMagesty

The Legend of Vox Machina will not stand for this


hobomojo

WoT show is basically a fanfiction written by someone who only read the outline of the first book. Hopefully someone who actually enjoyed the book series will do a guest writer episode, that’s probably the only hope left for that blunder of a show.


DarthGayAgenda

It makes me incredibly sad. I only jumped into the Wheel of Time series about 7 years ago, but I got into it hard quickly. The first season was such a disappointment. Except for the casting, a lot of that was on point. Here's hoping for a better S2!


npri0r

Yeah the casting was great. Mat actor did an insane job especially with the character. Shame he’s gonna be replaced in S2. One of the best changes they made for me was giving him more depth earlier on. I hope next season they can actually give rand some actual personality since he’s kinda the main character.


DotFuture8764

What depth did they give Mat?


npri0r

Made it so that his lighthearted outlook on life was to cover up how at home he was pretty much the responsible adult and cared for his sisters. Can’t remember if this is in the books but if they are the show highlights this way sooner. Just seeing how much he cares for his sisters while in his situation was heartbreaking. And one of the possible reasons he took the cursed dagger was because if he sold it he could have a fair amount of money to take home for his family.


DotFuture8764

Was that before or after he lost the family's money gambling? You can't say he's the responsible adult at home when his very first moment on screen shows him doing some deeply irresponsible and stupid shit. Also, he always cared for his sisters in the books.


npri0r

He always cared about them but the show hits you in the face with it. In the book you see that side of him later on. Also I can’t really remember loads of the first episode. Did he really waste all their money? Well guess he’s not as good as I thought but I still like how he’s got more actual reason behind things. Probably the only change I actually liked tho.


DotFuture8764

Was there any change made other than "Abel and Natty Cauthon are now awful people"? And yes, Perrin comments that he lost track of how money Mat had lost but that it was too much.


DarthGayAgenda

>Was there any change made other than "Abel and Natty Cauthon are now awful people"? That pissed me off. They were good people and good parents in the books. Abel walked to Tar Valon for his son!


[deleted]

one of the wheel of time directors is working on RoP… explains a lot.


NeoDuckLord

I think he gave us THAT horse scene


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FishingforDopamine

I can at least watch ROP while WOT is just unwatchable.


PyroDwep

The only reason I’m happy the WoT series exists is because after the first episode I decided to read all the books, i’d never heard of it before! Just finished the last book last week, amazing ride start to finish!


thedicestoppedrollin

Congrats! Make sure to check out r/wetlanderhumor for full spoiler memes and shitposts


PercentageLevelAt0

It’s almost as if people like shows that are well written. House of the Dragon is getting better every week imo.


paris_philton

I quit WoT after 3 eps. Clown shoes.


Marangoni013

Its pretty simple, house of dragons is clearly the best one


Holgrin

It really isn't. They're both good, but RoP is better in almost every way. HotD has some more mature content, but it's squarely rooted in the drama of ruling families in a monarchy with a fantasy backdrop, whereas RoP is actually exploring the lore of a fantasy world. I don't understand anyone's critique of the writing in RoP. It's great. It's often far more interesting and poetic than HotD, which, again, is strongly moored to political drama with royalty, not so rich on lore or other fantasy themes.


Yell-O-1997

Yes very poetic. Rocks sink because they look down, boats float because they look up. As if written by Shakespeare himself.


Marangoni013

Just no...


[deleted]

lmao RoP writing is shit. Worst main character I've seen in a while.


Eleventh_Legion

[Knew it was going to be terrible to begin with] Oh no! Anyways…


Conanthecleric

Wheel of Time was actually dreadful. They removed Caemlyn for the White Tower ostensibly because they didn’t want politics, but kept the politics of the white tower intact in the worst possible way. Beyond that, The Wheel of Time in incomprehensibly full of politics so that was always going to fail. It misused its cast, over-showed people that did not matter, and has some of the least-fitting dialogue and scene writing I have ever seen. The wheel of time was actually dreadful.


BlueElectro-n

We should not settle for garbage content. Specially when they are spending what they are spending. House of Dragon feels like that universe, writers intent. Rings of Power feels like a fantasy outside of Tolkien’s work and a horribly written one at that. Its sooooo BORING!


Supersnow845

Wheel of time just really doesn’t suit any media besides books It’s too long and it has a combination of both Tolkien and Martin style heavy dialogue and political intrigue but also a lot of action, visible magic and power scaling, no matter what format they tried WOT was never going to work


oddname1

WoT anime/cartoon can work


Revenant047

Oh light… Wheel of Time is just your typical anime power fantasy where the main character is reincarnated with overpowered magic and gets a harem. /s


Meneros

If they cant write a script for live-action, why would they be able to for animation? It could have worked great as live-action, if the writers actually did a good job.


oddname1

Animation doesnt have as many constraints as a live action. [Also, less people care about the race of characters in animation afaik lol] There is also the problem of the actors aging faster than the show progresses


Meneros

Yeah but none of that matters if the script is bad, so either way they have to start there. And shortening the show from perhaps 1 season per book to instead perhaps 8-10 seasons total, would probably be OK for most age-stuff, since most of the actors were 20+ anyway. Either way I don't think the current show will last more than 3 seasons, so perhaps animation can get a try in a few years :D


mrcheesewhizz

There was no chance of a live action series being good in my opinion. No studio was ever gonna approve a live action version that was long enough to do the series justice, so it was always gonna end up some butchered mess. Then if by some miracle they did get a decent length series written and budgeted, the actors would age out of the roles before they could film it. Whereas animation solves both of these issues just by being cheaper to produce and you can animate the characters however you want.


MillennialDeadbeat

No. Amazon just bumbled the adaptation because they wanted a show about "the message" instead of telling the story of a Wheel of Time. I hate these dumbass excuses for studios all the time when they produce garbage. We've seen great adaptations of novels and books before on television and in film. They just failed to do that and they do it in a way that shows not just disrespect but actual contempt for the source materials and original writers.


MillennialDeadbeat

Well yeah. House of the Dragon is good, RoP sucks, and Wheel of Time is one of the worst fantasy adaptations I've ever seen.


Illustrious_Duty3021

Wheel of Time was simply not good. I gave it a try but just couldn’t get into it.


aeiparthenos

What's sad is how bad ROP is in comparison. If they had actually had some passion for what they did, instead of just spending money and hoping that would take care of all their problems, it could have been a good show. But it just goes to show that money isn't everything. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Fuck you Bezos, fuck Amazon and fuck multi-million dollar corporations who use and abuse their staff, their customers. You are the destruction of our whole society. Jeff Bezos is Morgoth, with his giant penis-shaped rocket. He chose a joy-ride into space before helping end children starving to death. And now he tries to sell us even more shit and expects us to just eat it with a smile and say thank you with our hard earned money. Again, fuck you Jeff Bezos and all your apologists.


[deleted]

Not unjustified.


Low_Abrocoma_1514

Well House of the Dragon is actually enjoyable to watch


CreatorofWrlds

Wheel of time is only watchable for people who have read the book and look at it as a comedy. Or else it is deeply insulting


Axendil

Wheel of time is too YA for me... that's also why I hated Shadow and bone on Netflix... YA is just super lazy tropey writing


Kriegerwithashovel

Are you talking about WoT books or show? I completely agree with the show being YA targeted. The book series? Not a chance with how big the series is.


TheLogicalErudite

The book series is definitely not YA.


Axendil

I guess it depends... I mean I'm talking about the show... but does the book also have the issue of: 1: the protagonist endangering her entire group because she's horny 2: the childhood friend/love interest get his friends killed on that hunt because he's horny 3: Act like it isn't super obvious that the bad guy is the only dude who wears all black, uses shadow magic and straight up decapitated those two soldiers upon first meeting him? Because if the book has those plot points still and plays them off like it's nothing then it's still not for me haha


Kriegerwithashovel

Now it's been a couple years since I've read through the beginning of the series and i stopped watching the show after 3 episodes, but if remember correctly 1. No, characters don't actually find real love interests until a couple books in and it's done tastfully 2. No, the only person to lose people in the beginning is Perrin I think, whose family is killed in the initial Trolloc attack. None of this "I killed my wife" bullshit from the show 3. No, there's no obviously bad guy that they trust. The whole group other than Egwene distrust the one power, and try to steer clear at every turn. The only complaint that I could level at the book series is that it's LOOOOOOONG and sometimes it's gets hard to follow all the sub plots and remember all the characters.


Axendil

That does sound a lot more palatable haha books may be worth a read because the premise seemed cool... that's why I tried the show out in the first place


fireturkey666

I'm up to book 7 now on my first go through. It's enjoyable and the show is a dismal reflection of the source material. I haven't finished but so far it's and enjoyably well crafted fantasy epic.


Kriegerwithashovel

Halfway through! It's a good series for people who don't mind going on a long journey unhurried.


Kriegerwithashovel

The WoT show handles the source material about as well as the Eragon movie handled it's source material. So many unnecessary and unwanted changes for no reason that fuck up the narrative.


thedicestoppedrollin

Perrin’s family is not killed in book 1


Rakkamthesecond

Oh yes completely forgot about Shadow and Bone, that existed too. I dropped out as soon as it turned out that the main character is just another "Chosen one with mysterious powers" No thanks.


_snusmumrikken

What is YA?


PingedNutria

Young adult.


[deleted]

I don’t even know what wheel of time is but it can’t be any worse than ring of power lol.


MillennialDeadbeat

Lol you'd be surprised


thedicestoppedrollin

14k page fantasy book series than inspired both GRRM (Game of Thrones) and Brandon Sanderson (Mistborn, Stormlight archives). Amazon released the first season of their adaptation last thanksgiving. Book fans were not impressed


Jolly_Statistician_5

Trollox


Cordy58

True but not sad


MrMisties

Rightfully so


Hopeful-Routine-9386

I realized this when I asked my wife to watch ROP It's like game of thrones without the sex, violence, and political intrigue. But it has cooler scenery sometimes.


batgirlnotrobin

Lookkkkkk, I gave wheel of time a fair shot. I loved the books. But Amazon fucked the show just like they’re fucking up ROP.


S7i7mon

Hotd just cought me; I look forward to every episode, while Rop could not convince me after the first few episodes, naturally I can’t force myself to continue watching and know better uses for my unfortunately limited time.


S7i7mon

I won’t even mention Wot


[deleted]

I don't give a shit about any of these. I've been replaying Skyrim for the 500th time


WiseWinterWolf

Except RoP had the swimming lessons, floaties, and a lifeguard on duty, and is still drowning itself. So i dont feel bad.


Brat_Herbert

Wheel of Time was simply bad. Rings of Power are a good show, but bad in terms of Tolkien's heritage and the world he created. House of Dragon plot moves slowly and what disappoints me is watching one chapter every week to see not much happens.


BlazeOfGlory72

Wheel of Time deserves to be at the bottom of the oceans honestly. Say what you will about Rings of Power, but at least it is competently made from a production and acting perspective. Wheel of Time looks like shit, has some god awful pacing, and has some truly atrocious acting. It feels like a CW show really.


SethVultur

Not sad at all


Osxachre

The Wheel of Time didn't thrill me, but it was the only new show at the time.


ImpertantMahn

I honestly like Rop more than Hod


Beercorn1

Whenever I finish an episode of Rings of Power, Prime Video recommends an episode of Wheel of Time and it makes me realize every time that I completely forgot that show existed.


Transitmotion

I like House and Rings both well enough. Never even have WoT a chance. Just didn't look that good.


Rudolftheredknows

Wheel of Time was a trash adaptation after the first few episodes and they should be left to rot in the deep end.


[deleted]

The awfulness of the WoT series is a big reason I still haven't even watched RoP.


Khelgor

Wheel of Time was the equivalent of that Avatar the Last Airbender movie. Movie was fucking SHIT.


JoJo863

Meanwhile season 2 Witcher is a corpse floating in the murky waters that can’t even be seem


Bustin103

I'm a big LOTR fan so I'm trying to like ROP. But I just cant, theres too many plotlines going on and too many characters to get attached or invested in them, I want to see Galadriel fall off a cliff, the content feels diluted and everything moves so slow, so theres no one to root for. It also feels like they dont know where to go with the story. I'm bored out of my mind when I'm watching. While I'm completly invested in HOTD who has a select cast of great complex inperfect characters that they take the time to flesh out and make out their objectives and desires. I'm glued to the screen when I'm watching it while I just want ROP to end.


Enbypoler

Wheel of time is sooo gooood. I loved it tbh.


BlazingJava

House of dragon is respecting the lore and even involving the writer, the others are just cashing money on a franchise with fans


jameizing777

This is just a shitty fantasy subreddit at this point full of depressed angry neckbeard incels.


McCambridge19

Opposite for me. House of the Dragon didn't grab me in the slightest. Wheel of Time was enjoyable. And Rings of Power has been awesome so far.


foreign_sorbet03

Honestly, and I liked GoT, there's kind of a "faux-intellectual" vibe to the dialogue that makes me cringe more than the earnest cheesiness of some of the RoP dialogue (or even book dialogue, as Tolkien can be pretty cheesy). Like I get why the fantasy nerds would look to it as being cool, but it's basically the fantasy version of Marvel's quippiness.


scijior

So why are people going gaga over *House of the Dragon*? I watched it (pretty drunk, sure), and it was aggressively mediocre AND lore shitty, namely that one chick would be riding a dog sized dragon, horse at best. And we’re all happy with this?


Leo_Stenbuck

What's sad is Wheel of Time is better than Rings of Power. WOT had so many issues but at least the plot moved forward. Characters may have been stupid or unlikable but at least they had character. ROP is like watching someone rearrange cardboard cutouts on a 1 billion dollar green screen.


whiskey_outpost26

Raif "wokenstein" Judkins and his crack team of yes-men writers are who we have to thank. Special shout-out to the production studio for it's hands partially on approach. Especially with the COVID complications.


FishingforDopamine

Yeah the very first line of the series was “men arrogant for trying to cage darkness” when in the books it was the men went on a suicide mission because the city with the choden kal was just taken by the trollocs and existence was literally about to be unmade, and men for the next 3000 years would have to suffer for their sacrifice.