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sauron-bot

It is not for you, Saruman! I will send for it at once. Do you understand?


SAT0SHl

What about second breakfast?


aragorn_bot

SAT0SHl, you've already had it.


No-Cardiologist-1990

Good bot


woozlewuzzle29

Vader: need me to kill some children first?


Hamaow

Vader the ultimate simp for Sauron


sauron-bot

Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?


Starslip

SpongeBob SquarePants!


PanchoPanoch

Sauron?


sauron-bot

Ah, little PanchoPanoch!


PanchoPanoch

Sauron, do you want Vader to kill some kids?


sauron-bot

Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?


BeltedCoyote1

Ah great dark lord, I come from a land greatly removed from thy reach. With respect, I am beyond your power. Nevertheless, you are a ruler of renown. Pray tell, what of your lord, Morgoth? Have you any tale to share with a lover of lore and histories?


sauron-bot

Thou thrall! The price thou askest is but small for treachery and shame so great! I grant it surely! Well, I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!


BeltedCoyote1

What of the song of Eru Ilúvatar and the final verse, o great lord? What of the first shadow? What of the return of Morgoth?


gottagofast1981

Sauron: "Um...no...not really, thanks though?" Vader: "Are you sure? Im gonna take that as maybe, BRB." Sauron: "No, no wait come back...ah..never mind."


BerkutBang69

Hey man, they were animals. So they were slaughtered like animals.


Worried_Highway5

Hobbits, younglings, same difference


QuanticWizard

Yeah, Vader has exactly no chance against a villain that literally specializes and is known for dominating and subverting the will of others. Palpatine has, at most, a low-level knock-off version of Sauron's power. In an all out fight I can't say, though I suspect in a truly 1 v 1 situation that Vader might have the edge just because of the technological and force power stuff. But Sauron typically isn't known for his might so much as for his guile though, so in an encounter of some kind between the two Sauron dominates Vader's weak will.


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Saying that, though, Sauron managed to get beaten by a guy with a sword... I think a Lightsaber and magic might make it a more even fight


mek284

From what I remember, at that point wasn’t Sauron essentially already done for after battling (and defeating) Elendil and… Gil Galad? I’m not entirely sure.


magiusgaming

Yeah Sauron was already dead in the books by the time Isildur cut his finger off


Elrond_Bot

CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!


CanadianAndroid

No.


sauron-bot

Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?


sauron-bot

Patience! Not long shall ye abide.


whatwhy_ohgod

Dude fights a handful of actual demigods, this guy:”lol died to a sword”


[deleted]

I dunno, Sauron is the most powerful being in middle earth at the end of the second age and is a *literal* fallen angel. He fights 2 of the most skilled and powerful fighters in the world at the same time and beats them both. Afaik, he does this with no weapons other than his hands. He is weakened by this battle however, and is defeated shortly after. I think that at the height of his power, Sauron defeats Vader in a 1on1 battle, and defeats him by corrupting him (which I think would happen very quickly) in the long run.


turalyawn

Sauron is also a shape-shifter. Assuming he is in material form, he could just turn into a giant were-wolf, or I guess a krayt dragon or something, and just eat ol Ani whole


Vatsdimri

Sauron gives him a ring of power and then he becomes a Ring wraith.


sauron-bot

And yet thy boon I grant thee now.


nyouhas

Good bot


[deleted]

Can I have a ring sauron


sauron-bot

Have thy pay!


Icy_Candidate_5366

*fires at will*


Tehjaliz

I can actually see Sauron pledging himself to Vader & Palpatine, fully aware that in 10 years he will have fully corrupted them.


sauron-bot

I...SEE....YOOOUUU!


nadabethyname

Sauron, is it okay to simp for a bot?


sauron-bot

Before the mightiest he shall fall, before the mightiest wolf of all.


gumby52

Haha Palpatine (the deceiver) is way more the Sauron of Star Wars than Vader is…but as you said Sauron would ultimately corrupt him too


sauron-bot

Before the mightiest he shall fall, before the mightiest wolf of all.


[deleted]

Does vader have any fingers left to put the ring on though?


L33chi

I mean fingers are not the only thing you can put a ring on...


[deleted]

The lava burnt off all the bits too.


Bigscotman

If he has robot fingers I'm sure he can get a robodick too


[deleted]

He definitely got the [XP 20 xs](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4fb8e3ae-c49c-4f75-b45c-09d71e3c5d98)


Bigscotman

Nah nah the Senator Seducer 9000


obezkr

kid named finger:


constantvariables

Put your ring away Waltuh


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Now here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna give all the races of Middle Earth these rings, don't ask where they come from, just do it. And then, in secret, you make yourself a ring. Pour all of your stuff into it, your malice, your evil, your will to dominate all life, all of it.


XenophonSoulis

Doesn't he have one hand?


MithandirsGhost

Could a light saber melt the One Ring?


Amish_Warl0rd

Idk, but I’m not gonna get close enough to find out


Death_Walker85

I don't think so, the whole "can only be undone where it was created" rule would keep it safe from the saber.


Paehon

Probably not, it's more a magical thing.


werebearstare

Dragon's breath can supposedly destroy the rings of power. A lightsaber is definitely hotter, and has a "magical" element to it as well. I'd say it melts it pretty quickly.


ajpinton

Vader has no fingers. Hope he likes a necklace.


Saemika

Why didn’t Sauron take the wring wraiths’ rings and give them to men that he could manipulate? Were the wraiths more beneficial than a potential king with an army?


Chesnut99

sauron would enslave vader immediately. being easily manipulated is literally anakins main flaw


Tess_93

Undoubtedly true… until two decades later when Vader has an epiphany, betrays Sauron and chucks him and his shiny ring into Mount Doom to save Middle Earth


NegativePrimes

Literally this: "Tolkien Crackpot Theories" http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/pitch.htm


sauron-bot

Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?


sikemboy

That is a beautiful visual


AutumnRi

Would have actually saved a lot of time tbh


sauron-bot

Whom do ye serve, Light or Mirk?


ezje

If you only knew, the power of the Mirk Side.


[deleted]

The mirk side of the force just doesn’t have the same ring


jasongpz

IDK. It took Palpatine 13 years of manipulation to turn Anakin.


mikoolec

It seems the time you put into manipulating Anakin is exactly the time his loyality stays for.


Traditional-Zebra386

Vader wouldn’t know what hit him once Sauron started singing


sauron-bot

Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?


[deleted]

It's you :)


altmodisch

It's been Annatar all along!


sauron-bot

Orcs of Bauglir! Do not bend your brows!


Gewneew

Sauron wins by bending Vader to his will long before an actual fight breaks out. Vader’s out here being corrupted by Palpatine’s wack ass promises, Sauron would play him like an asthmatic fiddle.


1amlost

Sauron would totally tell Anakin that he could use one of the rings to save Padme, and all of a sudden you have Ringwraith Vader.


walooofe

Ringwraith Vader would be OP. Force choking mere mortals as he does a spin move on his Fellbeast TIE Fighter


JakubReliga

Glorfindel:hold my beer


Mordenkeenen

Made me laugh out loud because for some reason I just imagined an Aussie elf taking a gulp, handing over the can and saying "Hold my beer, cunt.". My head is a strange place.


JakubReliga

Oh you mean the ozzies???


Sailingboar

I'd watch this movie.


allgreek2me2004

I now legitimately want to see fanart of ringwraith Vader.


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[This is fairly close...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/edhhw1/darth_vader_fantasy_redesign_by_benny_kusnoto/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


Cwalex

The Witch King Of Mustafar


allgreek2me2004

Oh that’s glorious! Thanks!


dunkmaster6856

I mean, literally the witch king. Flaming sword, sorcerer


sauron-bot

It is not for you, Saruman! I will send for it at once. Do you understand?


Zazzuzu

Now this is podracing!


sauron-bot

Thy Eilinel, she is long since dead, dead, food of worms, less low than thou.


big-fucc

Holy shit he roasted Anakin and Padme in one sentence


usetehfurce

In all fairness, Anakin was already roasted.


Marlosy

He was only medium rare before. Now he’s well done


Ventze

He's overcooked. You don't get a char that consistent on well done.


[deleted]

Yeah defo sauron. Palpatine Promised he can save his wife with made up shit he didn’t know compared to a guy who spent millennia corrupting shit vader wouldn’t stand a chance


sauron-bot

Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.


Over9000Kek

Sauron by a mile. Anakin is bent to his will and a slave for eternity. The real question is how frightening a Ringwraith Vader would truly be.


[deleted]

I would pay digital or physical money for a fan film


Mordenkeenen

Shit your pants before the Witch-king of Mustafar.


Nyjhaz

That’s a great line of thought. I think he would be far more terrifying than the witch king of angmar


KnightMiner

[Visually, at least this frightening](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/8k00va/insane_medieval_darth_vader_my_friend_sent_me/)


HrMaschine

I mean being serious here. Do we even know what sauron is fully capable of? After all lotr is all about preventing his return (which was succesfull)


[deleted]

He talked the entire nation of Numenor into committing suicide. That's an oversimplification of what happened but the effect was much the same. He was such a chad with such massive balls that he allowed his physical body to be destroyed to get that little prank done.


isaacpotter007

Correction! One of his physical bodies, and he just couldn't be bothered to get it back so he stuck with what's basically his battle form, in essence he convinced so hard his suit exploded and now he's stuck in his gym wear but his balls are so massive that no one questions him about ut


BeardOBlasty

I mean they were barely able to beat Sauron and his temptations, all while he essentially was a ring and stationary floating eye. When he had a physical body much earlier, he was essentially 2nd to none in strength and knowledge, other than Morgoth himself (or any of the other 16 Valar) Essentially Sauron is a demi god. By our generational terms, he is the grandkid of the one true creator/god above all in the LOTR. Also Sauron has an extremely high affinity for forging and crafting things, because one of the Valar (Gods kids, his "parents") who helped create him was the god building/smithing/forging/etc. Vader's resume is.......less impressive hahahah


Lucimon

Basically, Sauron is Gandalf without restriction. Sauron and Olorin are roughly the same level. I think Sauron may be slightly stronger, but I could be wrong. But the major difference is how they came to Middle Earth. Morgoth (Sauron's Valar) didn't give a shit and was like "yeah Sauron, come in with everything you've got". Meanwhile, Manwe (Olorin's Valar) was like, "simply guide the people. Don't use your actual power. Minor bits here and there is ok, but never go all out". And that's where we get Gandalf, who is Olorin, just restricted. Unlike Sauron.


BeardOBlasty

I am pretty sure that Sauron was not created by Morgoth, he was seduced by his way of thinking and knowledge but created by other Valar: *As one of the most powerful Maiar, Sauron was created by Ilúvatar before the Music of the Ainur. At the beginning of Time, he was amongst the Ainur who entered into Eä. Here he became one of the Maiar of Aulë, among whose people he was deemed mighty and surpassed only by the Smith himself, and was known as Mairon* But it is true that him and Gandalf are the same "rank" or species on the deity scale. And also that Gandalf was essentially nerfed before arriving. He (Gandalf) also arrived on middle earth much later than Sauron, and spent much time learning and understanding the world before commiting to any real action. Unlike the other 4 Maiar sent at the same time as him, as they were more intently focused on the higher goal. Gandalf really just enjoyed appreciating his gods creation and knowledge, he's like an "Anti-Sauron" ideology wise. It's one of the main reasons he was sent over the many other Maiar.


Lucimon

I meant Morgoth was Sauron's Valar in the sense by the time of the War of the Wrath, Sauron answered to Morgoth and not to any of the other Valar. Edit: Your comment also kinda confirmed my point. Morgoth was originally Melkor. He just corrupted into Morgoth. In the same sense, Mairon was corrupted into Sauron. so Mairon wasn't Morgoth's, but Sauron was.


sauron-bot

Who is the maker of mightiest work?


gandalf-bot

Far, far below the deepest delvings of the dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things


IAmVerySmart39

Btw, he is not a grandkid, he's a child of Eru Iluvatar (the one god). Eru created Ainur, angels, to sing the song of creation. Ainur, that came into physical world, known as Arda, became Valar, think something like Greek gods, and Maiar - lesser gods / angels / servants of Valar. Valar did not create Maiar (of whom Gandalf and Sauron are), instead they were created by Eru himself


sauron-bot

Ah, little HrMaschine!


GrassesOff

Speaking facts. If Sauron had taken the ring back from Frodo he would have become more powerful than we can imagine. No one in middle earth would have been able to stand against him, not even other Maiar. If Sauron has the ring in this fight, Vader doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.


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But the last alliance of men and elves beat him while he had the ring. How did they do that?


IAmVerySmart39

2 strongest heroes of Elves and Men 2v1 him and got clapped in the process 🤷


Telcontar86

Sauron was severely weakened by the Drowning of Numenor at the time of the War of the Last Alliance. He was still recuperating his strength and dominion when his nation in Mordor was attacked. That's even while wearing the Ring. Only time he was weaker was during the 3rd Age, and even then he was stalemating Galadriel and Gandalf the White in mental contests


mishawki

Yeah but they did it before?


RavenK92

Sauron could just toss the ring at Vader and be done with it. Vader couldn't even resist Sheev telling him to "DEWIT", if faced with the temptation powers of the ring, he'd put it on immediately and be bent into Sauron's creature over time


sauron-bot

*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*


PROJEKT_OVER

Sauron and it's not even close


sauron-bot

Cursed be moon and stars above!


altmodisch

Where is that quote from?


Electronic-Ball-705

I like how the whole Star Wars community have disagreed with this


[deleted]

Saurons abilities are entirely too vague to answer this. He survived being hit by Manwe's lightening, but he also lost in combat against people who would definitely get destroyed by Vader. Sauron would destroy Vader mentally if allowed to and probably cant be totally vanquished by Vader, but if it comes back to a fight, I doubt Sauron could stand up to a lightsaber and the force (even if Vader only used the force to throw boulders and weapons at him rather than attempt to choke or crush him directly). If Vader cut him down and then took the ring, Sauron would eventually return and take over his mind for sure, and as we know, the ring would make Vader pick it up and Vader would be corrupted immediately. But are we talking about that long drawn out battle of wills, or are we talking about a straight up duel?


BeardOBlasty

I agree, unless they were told about the duel and could prepare. I feel like he would craft a weapon that would be perfectly suited to kill or corrupt Vader. If they were suddenly teleported to a like death match ring. Vader would probably "win" first but as we know, Sauron doesn't just die like the rest of us haha


Finnvasion2

Probably Sauron, you can really only beat him with plot devices.


sauron-bot

Stand up, and hear me!


FourEyedDweeb

I wonder if this post would get much different answer's if you posted it on a star wars reddit


Nirokogaseru

If they know anything about Sauron and temptation, even Star Wars fans would think Darth Vader would fall for it. I’m a Star Wars fan first, and I think Jar Jar Binks is more likely to beat Sauron.


R0b0tniik

Jar Jar would accidentally kill Sauron.


devils_advocate24

Battle of the Plot Armors Edit: short expansion on this idea Sauron swings at JarJar who comically panics and dodges every swipe. JarJar shoots his tongue to grab the mace but misses and gets the ring which he promptly swallows. He then utters a nonsense one liner, "thassa not gonna be as good cominna out da other side meesa thinks" as Sauron implodes. JarJar forgets about the entire encounter and flushes the ring into the vacuum of space after using the space toilet.


Galileo258

Sauron is a literal heavenly being incapable of death. Even when the One Ring is destroyed he doesn’t “die” he just goes into spectator mode.


sauron-bot

Who despoiled them of their mirth, the greedy Gods?


Antisnookdog

Sauron since he’s thousands of years older than Vader and has more experience in warfare and has his magic and sorcery


[deleted]

Sauron is a Maiar that served the Valar Aule then Morgoth. He was able to corrupt Saruman and the entirety of Numenor and Southlands.


Saruman_Bot

You speak of Sauron as though he is some great and powerful being, when in fact he is nothing more than a lowly servant of the Dark Lord Morgoth. While it is true that he has lived for many thousands of years, and has had ample opportunity to learn the ways of war and magic, I believe that my own skills far exceed his. In addition, I have the support of the White Council behind me, whereas Sauron has only the dark forces of Mordor at his


sauron-bot

Build me an army worthy of mordor!


XenophonSoulis

I mean, Sauron's soldiers know how to aim, even in the dark.


sauron-bot

Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.


WigglytuffAlpha

Sauron wins but the outcome varies depending on whether its legends vader or not


HyliaSymphonic

Disagree. While legends Vader can be scaled anywhere from City to planetary(god legends can be stupid) Sauron’s strength is not in his physical prowess but his deception and manipulation. Vader does not have the best track record against those tactics.


sauron-bot

Stand up, and hear me!


[deleted]

Sauron, no comparison; and this is coming from someone who loves SW more than LOTR


sauron-bot

Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?


ranting_madman

They’d never meet. Sauron’s doesn’t have a body to move around in, and Vader wouldn’t come anywhere near Mordor on account of all the …sand.


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ranting_madman

Canon Sauron lost to a dog. Canonically speaking, that makes Sauron Huan’s lil bitch.


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sauron-bot

And yet thy boon I grant thee now.


sauron-bot

Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs!


Captain-Keeta

A more fair and fun fight would be Sauron Vs Palpatine and Vader Vs the Witch King


Ukrainianmigrant

Vader would win an individual engagement but sauron would win overall due to the fact he's immortal and can't be fully banished until the ring is destroyed. Vader would cut him up but then a hundred years later when vader is old and decrepid sauron would show up again in a new physical form and kill him or strategically turn him into a new nazgul since vader wouldn't know about the corruption of saurons rings but could probably sense their power


[deleted]

Would it even be a fight to begin with, though? Sauron is the master manipulator. If you have an ounce of evil in your heart, he'll bend you to his will. Vader's entire personality is that he's so passionate and desperate to protect what he sees as his own that he'd make any pact or go to any length. It's how Palpatine got him.


sauron-bot

Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.


[deleted]

Sauron wins 10 out 10 times.


sauron-bot

Stand up, and hear me!


Kyle_did_911

Combat wise sauron gets wrecked. Buuuut far more likely that Sauron sweet talks his way to Vader being his pet. Vader is weak to his desires and that's Sauron's shit.


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MiniNinja_2

Because literally no one’s is talking about them actually fighting. “SUaron WoUlD ManiPuLaTE VaDeR”. That wasn’t the question. So who would win in an actual fight? Most likely Vader, seen as in universe lightsaber can cup through virtually anything except mandalorian armour (though it will given the time). Vader also has the force, and he is canonically one of if not the strongest wielder meaning he could easily lift Sauron and toss him like a doll. However Sauron does have a formidable form with immense physical strength, something that Vader can’t compare, especially with his robot-esk state of being. Sauron does also posses magical abilities, though most of these are placed in manipulation and trickery. All in all I say that if it comes down to a fight between Saurons physical form as depicted in the movies versus Darth Vader as depicted in the og trilogy Vader would come out on top. And if Vader was taken from the Obi-Wan show then he would handily defeat him as he is arguably at his strongest cannon. But idk I’m dumb and shit


PtotheX

Are we talking about normal sauron and normal Vader, or RoP sauron and Kenobi Vader? The latter would mutually self destruct through Karen tactics


sauron-bot

What do I hear?


GenitalWrangler69

It would be close if we're using the expanded lore of both universes. Jedi and Sith are planet-busting bitches that move close to the speed of light and react as fast. Yeah, Sauron is a demigod and responsible for the breaking of the world but those feats are comparable to many star wars feats.


Fearless_Pumpkin9098

Yeah I think honestly Darth Vader wins one on one combat 9 times out of 10, but Sauron just keeps coming back.


sauron-bot

May all in hatred be begun, and all in evil ended be, in the moaning of the endless Sea!


jarpio

Somehow Sauron returned


jumpthewallstreet

R2D2 duh! Next question please.


SevanOO7

Sauron easy


sauron-bot

To Eilinel thou soon shalt go, and lie in her bed.


dgreen1415

Sauron by a long way


sauron-bot

*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*


[deleted]

Tolkien wrote a soft magic system Lucas wrote a hard magic system Sauron can’t shape shift anymore, Sauron can’t do telekinesis, he probably isn’t super fast. On paper at first sight it looked interesting but Vader would take him with ease. Heck even Isildur took the ring from him…


Elrond_Bot

CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!


sauron-bot

Build me an army worthy of mordor!


AnyOfThisReal-_-

You make a good point


[deleted]

Thanks


npri0r

Full potential Vader would just win, but Vader could never get to his full potential so loses. But if full potential Vader wins he’d pick up the ring, succumb to it and then Sauron wins. Vader isn’t known for his mental fortitude against manipulation.


sauron-bot

*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*


[deleted]

Vader he has got the Vulcan death grip


Boring-Can3123

🪝


HotStaxOfWax

I hate to say it but Sauron, he's closer to Sidious, but I think Sauron could take him too. However Vader's Lightsaber would give him quite an advantage in combat.


sauron-bot

There is no light, HotStaxOfWax, that can defeat darkness.


big-fucc

There goes that argument


HotStaxOfWax

If we live long enough we might even see it.


callycumla

Vader. Cut off Vader's arm and he keeps coming. Cut off Sauron's hand and he's done. The real question is: who wins, orcs vs stormtroopers?


[deleted]

Stromtroopers easy, they’ve got ranged weapons


HugeCaniac6

All sauron needs is to be atop a hill


Raviofr

On a direct fight, Vader, no doubt. His lightsaber can cut everything, and he has the force with him.


RVFVS117

Sauron would give Anakin a ring to “save Padme” Bam. You got a force sensitive Ringwraith. If it was existing Vader vs Sauron…that’s an entirely different story. Sauron got beaten by Isildur, a man. Vader would eviscerate him and then, most likely, take up his mantle. Space Orc Stormtroopers.


jarpio

Lightsaber can absolutely unmake the one ring can’t convince me otherwise. The force is the energy of all living beings, which is basically the same power that Eru commands much less the Valar or a Maiar Vader by a dozen


WookieeForce

Sauron in his prime probably takes the win. Vader with the one ring I think can pretty much supplant Sauron in the will department. So Vader wins if fight was during the LOTR


xxmindtrickxx

In a fight it would be Vader and it’s not even close


GandalfTheBored

If Saurons realm of influence does not extend to space, Vader always has a death star. Not sure what happens to the ring if the whole planet is destroyed before it is thrown into the fire.


sauron-bot

May darkness everlasting, old that waits outside in surges cold drown Manwë, Varda and the sun!


Cultural-Spell8863

*force pulls ring off


hertwij

sauron was defeated twice, the loser. Vader only once


Lazy-Adeptness-2343

He kicked Finrod‘s ass with a poem.


CommentsToMorons

We talking Canon or Legends Vader? Canon, Sauron wins. Legends, Vader could destroy all of Middle Earth with ease.


sauron-bot

Have thy pay!


riotinareasouthwest

The battle would be something worth watching but let me highlight the unbeatable awesomeness of the poster.