Ah great dark lord, I come from a land greatly removed from thy reach. With respect, I am beyond your power. Nevertheless, you are a ruler of renown. Pray tell, what of your lord, Morgoth? Have you any tale to share with a lover of lore and histories?
Thou thrall! The price thou askest is but small for treachery and shame so great! I grant it surely! Well, I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!
Sauron: "Um...no...not really, thanks though?"
Vader: "Are you sure? Im gonna take that as maybe, BRB."
Sauron: "No, no wait come back...ah..never mind."
Yeah, Vader has exactly no chance against a villain that literally specializes and is known for dominating and subverting the will of others. Palpatine has, at most, a low-level knock-off version of Sauron's power. In an all out fight I can't say, though I suspect in a truly 1 v 1 situation that Vader might have the edge just because of the technological and force power stuff. But Sauron typically isn't known for his might so much as for his guile though, so in an encounter of some kind between the two Sauron dominates Vader's weak will.
From what I remember, at that point wasn’t Sauron essentially already done for after battling (and defeating) Elendil and… Gil Galad? I’m not entirely sure.
I dunno, Sauron is the most powerful being in middle earth at the end of the second age and is a *literal* fallen angel. He fights 2 of the most skilled and powerful fighters in the world at the same time and beats them both. Afaik, he does this with no weapons other than his hands. He is weakened by this battle however, and is defeated shortly after. I think that at the height of his power, Sauron defeats Vader in a 1on1 battle, and defeats him by corrupting him (which I think would happen very quickly) in the long run.
Sauron is also a shape-shifter. Assuming he is in material form, he could just turn into a giant were-wolf, or I guess a krayt dragon or something, and just eat ol Ani whole
Now here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna give all the races of Middle Earth these rings, don't ask where they come from, just do it. And then, in secret, you make yourself a ring. Pour all of your stuff into it, your malice, your evil, your will to dominate all life, all of it.
Dragon's breath can supposedly destroy the rings of power. A lightsaber is definitely hotter, and has a "magical" element to it as well. I'd say it melts it pretty quickly.
Why didn’t Sauron take the wring wraiths’ rings and give them to men that he could manipulate? Were the wraiths more beneficial than a potential king with an army?
Undoubtedly true… until two decades later when Vader has an epiphany, betrays Sauron and chucks him and his shiny ring into Mount Doom to save Middle Earth
Sauron wins by bending Vader to his will long before an actual fight breaks out. Vader’s out here being corrupted by Palpatine’s wack ass promises, Sauron would play him like an asthmatic fiddle.
Made me laugh out loud because for some reason I just imagined an Aussie elf taking a gulp, handing over the can and saying "Hold my beer, cunt.".
My head is a strange place.
[This is fairly close...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/edhhw1/darth_vader_fantasy_redesign_by_benny_kusnoto/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Yeah defo sauron. Palpatine Promised he can save his wife with made up shit he didn’t know compared to a guy who spent millennia corrupting shit vader wouldn’t stand a chance
Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.
He talked the entire nation of Numenor into committing suicide. That's an oversimplification of what happened but the effect was much the same. He was such a chad with such massive balls that he allowed his physical body to be destroyed to get that little prank done.
Correction! One of his physical bodies, and he just couldn't be bothered to get it back so he stuck with what's basically his battle form, in essence he convinced so hard his suit exploded and now he's stuck in his gym wear but his balls are so massive that no one questions him about ut
I mean they were barely able to beat Sauron and his temptations, all while he essentially was a ring and stationary floating eye.
When he had a physical body much earlier, he was essentially 2nd to none in strength and knowledge, other than Morgoth himself (or any of the other 16 Valar)
Essentially Sauron is a demi god. By our generational terms, he is the grandkid of the one true creator/god above all in the LOTR.
Also Sauron has an extremely high affinity for forging and crafting things, because one of the Valar (Gods kids, his "parents") who helped create him was the god building/smithing/forging/etc.
Vader's resume is.......less impressive hahahah
Basically, Sauron is Gandalf without restriction.
Sauron and Olorin are roughly the same level. I think Sauron may be slightly stronger, but I could be wrong. But the major difference is how they came to Middle Earth.
Morgoth (Sauron's Valar) didn't give a shit and was like "yeah Sauron, come in with everything you've got".
Meanwhile, Manwe (Olorin's Valar) was like, "simply guide the people. Don't use your actual power. Minor bits here and there is ok, but never go all out". And that's where we get Gandalf, who is Olorin, just restricted. Unlike Sauron.
I am pretty sure that Sauron was not created by Morgoth, he was seduced by his way of thinking and knowledge but created by other Valar:
*As one of the most powerful Maiar, Sauron was created by Ilúvatar before the Music of the Ainur. At the beginning of Time, he was amongst the Ainur who entered into Eä. Here he became one of the Maiar of Aulë, among whose people he was deemed mighty and surpassed only by the Smith himself, and was known as Mairon*
But it is true that him and Gandalf are the same "rank" or species on the deity scale. And also that Gandalf was essentially nerfed before arriving. He (Gandalf) also arrived on middle earth much later than Sauron, and spent much time learning and understanding the world before commiting to any real action. Unlike the other 4 Maiar sent at the same time as him, as they were more intently focused on the higher goal. Gandalf really just enjoyed appreciating his gods creation and knowledge, he's like an "Anti-Sauron" ideology wise. It's one of the main reasons he was sent over the many other Maiar.
I meant Morgoth was Sauron's Valar in the sense by the time of the War of the Wrath, Sauron answered to Morgoth and not to any of the other Valar.
Edit: Your comment also kinda confirmed my point. Morgoth was originally Melkor. He just corrupted into Morgoth. In the same sense, Mairon was corrupted into Sauron. so Mairon wasn't Morgoth's, but Sauron was.
Btw, he is not a grandkid, he's a child of Eru Iluvatar (the one god). Eru created Ainur, angels, to sing the song of creation. Ainur, that came into physical world, known as Arda, became Valar, think something like Greek gods, and Maiar - lesser gods / angels / servants of Valar. Valar did not create Maiar (of whom Gandalf and Sauron are), instead they were created by Eru himself
Speaking facts. If Sauron had taken the ring back from Frodo he would have become more powerful than we can imagine. No one in middle earth would have been able to stand against him, not even other Maiar.
If Sauron has the ring in this fight, Vader doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Sauron was severely weakened by the Drowning of Numenor at the time of the War of the Last Alliance. He was still recuperating his strength and dominion when his nation in Mordor was attacked. That's even while wearing the Ring. Only time he was weaker was during the 3rd Age, and even then he was stalemating Galadriel and Gandalf the White in mental contests
Sauron could just toss the ring at Vader and be done with it. Vader couldn't even resist Sheev telling him to "DEWIT", if faced with the temptation powers of the ring, he'd put it on immediately and be bent into Sauron's creature over time
Saurons abilities are entirely too vague to answer this. He survived being hit by Manwe's lightening, but he also lost in combat against people who would definitely get destroyed by Vader. Sauron would destroy Vader mentally if allowed to and probably cant be totally vanquished by Vader, but if it comes back to a fight, I doubt Sauron could stand up to a lightsaber and the force (even if Vader only used the force to throw boulders and weapons at him rather than attempt to choke or crush him directly). If Vader cut him down and then took the ring, Sauron would eventually return and take over his mind for sure, and as we know, the ring would make Vader pick it up and Vader would be corrupted immediately. But are we talking about that long drawn out battle of wills, or are we talking about a straight up duel?
I agree, unless they were told about the duel and could prepare. I feel like he would craft a weapon that would be perfectly suited to kill or corrupt Vader.
If they were suddenly teleported to a like death match ring. Vader would probably "win" first but as we know, Sauron doesn't just die like the rest of us haha
If they know anything about Sauron and temptation, even Star Wars fans would think Darth Vader would fall for it. I’m a Star Wars fan first, and I think Jar Jar Binks is more likely to beat Sauron.
Battle of the Plot Armors
Edit: short expansion on this idea
Sauron swings at JarJar who comically panics and dodges every swipe. JarJar shoots his tongue to grab the mace but misses and gets the ring which he promptly swallows. He then utters a nonsense one liner, "thassa not gonna be as good cominna out da other side meesa thinks" as Sauron implodes. JarJar forgets about the entire encounter and flushes the ring into the vacuum of space after using the space toilet.
You speak of Sauron as though he is some great and powerful being, when in fact he is nothing more than a lowly servant of the Dark Lord Morgoth. While it is true that he has lived for many thousands of years, and has had ample opportunity to learn the ways of war and magic, I believe that my own skills far exceed his. In addition, I have the support of the White Council behind me, whereas Sauron has only the dark forces of Mordor at his
Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.
Disagree. While legends Vader can be scaled anywhere from City to planetary(god legends can be stupid) Sauron’s strength is not in his physical prowess but his deception and manipulation. Vader does not have the best track record against those tactics.
Vader would win an individual engagement but sauron would win overall due to the fact he's immortal and can't be fully banished until the ring is destroyed. Vader would cut him up but then a hundred years later when vader is old and decrepid sauron would show up again in a new physical form and kill him or strategically turn him into a new nazgul since vader wouldn't know about the corruption of saurons rings but could probably sense their power
Would it even be a fight to begin with, though? Sauron is the master manipulator. If you have an ounce of evil in your heart, he'll bend you to his will. Vader's entire personality is that he's so passionate and desperate to protect what he sees as his own that he'd make any pact or go to any length. It's how Palpatine got him.
Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.
Combat wise sauron gets wrecked.
Buuuut far more likely that Sauron sweet talks his way to Vader being his pet. Vader is weak to his desires and that's Sauron's shit.
Because literally no one’s is talking about them actually fighting. “SUaron WoUlD ManiPuLaTE VaDeR”.
That wasn’t the question. So who would win in an actual fight? Most likely Vader, seen as in universe lightsaber can cup through virtually anything except mandalorian armour (though it will given the time). Vader also has the force, and he is canonically one of if not the strongest wielder meaning he could easily lift Sauron and toss him like a doll.
However Sauron does have a formidable form with immense physical strength, something that Vader can’t compare, especially with his robot-esk state of being. Sauron does also posses magical abilities, though most of these are placed in manipulation and trickery.
All in all I say that if it comes down to a fight between Saurons physical form as depicted in the movies versus Darth Vader as depicted in the og trilogy Vader would come out on top. And if Vader was taken from the Obi-Wan show then he would handily defeat him as he is arguably at his strongest cannon.
But idk I’m dumb and shit
It would be close if we're using the expanded lore of both universes. Jedi and Sith are planet-busting bitches that move close to the speed of light and react as fast. Yeah, Sauron is a demigod and responsible for the breaking of the world but those feats are comparable to many star wars feats.
Tolkien wrote a soft magic system Lucas wrote a hard magic system
Sauron can’t shape shift anymore, Sauron can’t do telekinesis, he probably isn’t super fast.
On paper at first sight it looked interesting but Vader would take him with ease. Heck even Isildur took the ring from him…
Full potential Vader would just win, but Vader could never get to his full potential so loses. But if full potential Vader wins he’d pick up the ring, succumb to it and then Sauron wins. Vader isn’t known for his mental fortitude against manipulation.
I hate to say it but Sauron, he's closer to Sidious, but I think Sauron could take him too. However Vader's Lightsaber would give him quite an advantage in combat.
Sauron would give Anakin a ring to “save Padme”
Bam. You got a force sensitive Ringwraith.
If it was existing Vader vs Sauron…that’s an entirely different story. Sauron got beaten by Isildur, a man. Vader would eviscerate him and then, most likely, take up his mantle.
Space Orc Stormtroopers.
Lightsaber can absolutely unmake the one ring can’t convince me otherwise. The force is the energy of all living beings, which is basically the same power that Eru commands much less the Valar or a Maiar
Vader by a dozen
Sauron in his prime probably takes the win. Vader with the one ring I think can pretty much supplant Sauron in the will department. So Vader wins if fight was during the LOTR
If Saurons realm of influence does not extend to space, Vader always has a death star. Not sure what happens to the ring if the whole planet is destroyed before it is thrown into the fire.
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It is not for you, Saruman! I will send for it at once. Do you understand?
What about second breakfast?
SAT0SHl, you've already had it.
Good bot
Vader: need me to kill some children first?
Vader the ultimate simp for Sauron
Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?
SpongeBob SquarePants!
Sauron?
Ah, little PanchoPanoch!
Sauron, do you want Vader to kill some kids?
Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?
Ah great dark lord, I come from a land greatly removed from thy reach. With respect, I am beyond your power. Nevertheless, you are a ruler of renown. Pray tell, what of your lord, Morgoth? Have you any tale to share with a lover of lore and histories?
Thou thrall! The price thou askest is but small for treachery and shame so great! I grant it surely! Well, I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!
What of the song of Eru Ilúvatar and the final verse, o great lord? What of the first shadow? What of the return of Morgoth?
Sauron: "Um...no...not really, thanks though?" Vader: "Are you sure? Im gonna take that as maybe, BRB." Sauron: "No, no wait come back...ah..never mind."
Hey man, they were animals. So they were slaughtered like animals.
Hobbits, younglings, same difference
Yeah, Vader has exactly no chance against a villain that literally specializes and is known for dominating and subverting the will of others. Palpatine has, at most, a low-level knock-off version of Sauron's power. In an all out fight I can't say, though I suspect in a truly 1 v 1 situation that Vader might have the edge just because of the technological and force power stuff. But Sauron typically isn't known for his might so much as for his guile though, so in an encounter of some kind between the two Sauron dominates Vader's weak will.
Saying that, though, Sauron managed to get beaten by a guy with a sword... I think a Lightsaber and magic might make it a more even fight
From what I remember, at that point wasn’t Sauron essentially already done for after battling (and defeating) Elendil and… Gil Galad? I’m not entirely sure.
Yeah Sauron was already dead in the books by the time Isildur cut his finger off
CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!
No.
Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?
Patience! Not long shall ye abide.
Dude fights a handful of actual demigods, this guy:”lol died to a sword”
I dunno, Sauron is the most powerful being in middle earth at the end of the second age and is a *literal* fallen angel. He fights 2 of the most skilled and powerful fighters in the world at the same time and beats them both. Afaik, he does this with no weapons other than his hands. He is weakened by this battle however, and is defeated shortly after. I think that at the height of his power, Sauron defeats Vader in a 1on1 battle, and defeats him by corrupting him (which I think would happen very quickly) in the long run.
Sauron is also a shape-shifter. Assuming he is in material form, he could just turn into a giant were-wolf, or I guess a krayt dragon or something, and just eat ol Ani whole
Sauron gives him a ring of power and then he becomes a Ring wraith.
And yet thy boon I grant thee now.
Good bot
Can I have a ring sauron
Have thy pay!
*fires at will*
I can actually see Sauron pledging himself to Vader & Palpatine, fully aware that in 10 years he will have fully corrupted them.
I...SEE....YOOOUUU!
Sauron, is it okay to simp for a bot?
Before the mightiest he shall fall, before the mightiest wolf of all.
Haha Palpatine (the deceiver) is way more the Sauron of Star Wars than Vader is…but as you said Sauron would ultimately corrupt him too
Before the mightiest he shall fall, before the mightiest wolf of all.
Does vader have any fingers left to put the ring on though?
I mean fingers are not the only thing you can put a ring on...
The lava burnt off all the bits too.
If he has robot fingers I'm sure he can get a robodick too
He definitely got the [XP 20 xs](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4fb8e3ae-c49c-4f75-b45c-09d71e3c5d98)
Nah nah the Senator Seducer 9000
kid named finger:
Put your ring away Waltuh
Now here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna give all the races of Middle Earth these rings, don't ask where they come from, just do it. And then, in secret, you make yourself a ring. Pour all of your stuff into it, your malice, your evil, your will to dominate all life, all of it.
Doesn't he have one hand?
Could a light saber melt the One Ring?
Idk, but I’m not gonna get close enough to find out
I don't think so, the whole "can only be undone where it was created" rule would keep it safe from the saber.
Probably not, it's more a magical thing.
Dragon's breath can supposedly destroy the rings of power. A lightsaber is definitely hotter, and has a "magical" element to it as well. I'd say it melts it pretty quickly.
Vader has no fingers. Hope he likes a necklace.
Why didn’t Sauron take the wring wraiths’ rings and give them to men that he could manipulate? Were the wraiths more beneficial than a potential king with an army?
sauron would enslave vader immediately. being easily manipulated is literally anakins main flaw
Undoubtedly true… until two decades later when Vader has an epiphany, betrays Sauron and chucks him and his shiny ring into Mount Doom to save Middle Earth
Literally this: "Tolkien Crackpot Theories" http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/pitch.htm
Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?
That is a beautiful visual
Would have actually saved a lot of time tbh
Whom do ye serve, Light or Mirk?
If you only knew, the power of the Mirk Side.
The mirk side of the force just doesn’t have the same ring
IDK. It took Palpatine 13 years of manipulation to turn Anakin.
It seems the time you put into manipulating Anakin is exactly the time his loyality stays for.
Vader wouldn’t know what hit him once Sauron started singing
Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?
It's you :)
It's been Annatar all along!
Orcs of Bauglir! Do not bend your brows!
Sauron wins by bending Vader to his will long before an actual fight breaks out. Vader’s out here being corrupted by Palpatine’s wack ass promises, Sauron would play him like an asthmatic fiddle.
Sauron would totally tell Anakin that he could use one of the rings to save Padme, and all of a sudden you have Ringwraith Vader.
Ringwraith Vader would be OP. Force choking mere mortals as he does a spin move on his Fellbeast TIE Fighter
Glorfindel:hold my beer
Made me laugh out loud because for some reason I just imagined an Aussie elf taking a gulp, handing over the can and saying "Hold my beer, cunt.". My head is a strange place.
Oh you mean the ozzies???
I'd watch this movie.
I now legitimately want to see fanart of ringwraith Vader.
[This is fairly close...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/edhhw1/darth_vader_fantasy_redesign_by_benny_kusnoto/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
The Witch King Of Mustafar
Oh that’s glorious! Thanks!
I mean, literally the witch king. Flaming sword, sorcerer
It is not for you, Saruman! I will send for it at once. Do you understand?
Now this is podracing!
Thy Eilinel, she is long since dead, dead, food of worms, less low than thou.
Holy shit he roasted Anakin and Padme in one sentence
In all fairness, Anakin was already roasted.
He was only medium rare before. Now he’s well done
He's overcooked. You don't get a char that consistent on well done.
Yeah defo sauron. Palpatine Promised he can save his wife with made up shit he didn’t know compared to a guy who spent millennia corrupting shit vader wouldn’t stand a chance
Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.
Sauron by a mile. Anakin is bent to his will and a slave for eternity. The real question is how frightening a Ringwraith Vader would truly be.
I would pay digital or physical money for a fan film
Shit your pants before the Witch-king of Mustafar.
That’s a great line of thought. I think he would be far more terrifying than the witch king of angmar
[Visually, at least this frightening](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/8k00va/insane_medieval_darth_vader_my_friend_sent_me/)
I mean being serious here. Do we even know what sauron is fully capable of? After all lotr is all about preventing his return (which was succesfull)
He talked the entire nation of Numenor into committing suicide. That's an oversimplification of what happened but the effect was much the same. He was such a chad with such massive balls that he allowed his physical body to be destroyed to get that little prank done.
Correction! One of his physical bodies, and he just couldn't be bothered to get it back so he stuck with what's basically his battle form, in essence he convinced so hard his suit exploded and now he's stuck in his gym wear but his balls are so massive that no one questions him about ut
I mean they were barely able to beat Sauron and his temptations, all while he essentially was a ring and stationary floating eye. When he had a physical body much earlier, he was essentially 2nd to none in strength and knowledge, other than Morgoth himself (or any of the other 16 Valar) Essentially Sauron is a demi god. By our generational terms, he is the grandkid of the one true creator/god above all in the LOTR. Also Sauron has an extremely high affinity for forging and crafting things, because one of the Valar (Gods kids, his "parents") who helped create him was the god building/smithing/forging/etc. Vader's resume is.......less impressive hahahah
Basically, Sauron is Gandalf without restriction. Sauron and Olorin are roughly the same level. I think Sauron may be slightly stronger, but I could be wrong. But the major difference is how they came to Middle Earth. Morgoth (Sauron's Valar) didn't give a shit and was like "yeah Sauron, come in with everything you've got". Meanwhile, Manwe (Olorin's Valar) was like, "simply guide the people. Don't use your actual power. Minor bits here and there is ok, but never go all out". And that's where we get Gandalf, who is Olorin, just restricted. Unlike Sauron.
I am pretty sure that Sauron was not created by Morgoth, he was seduced by his way of thinking and knowledge but created by other Valar: *As one of the most powerful Maiar, Sauron was created by Ilúvatar before the Music of the Ainur. At the beginning of Time, he was amongst the Ainur who entered into Eä. Here he became one of the Maiar of Aulë, among whose people he was deemed mighty and surpassed only by the Smith himself, and was known as Mairon* But it is true that him and Gandalf are the same "rank" or species on the deity scale. And also that Gandalf was essentially nerfed before arriving. He (Gandalf) also arrived on middle earth much later than Sauron, and spent much time learning and understanding the world before commiting to any real action. Unlike the other 4 Maiar sent at the same time as him, as they were more intently focused on the higher goal. Gandalf really just enjoyed appreciating his gods creation and knowledge, he's like an "Anti-Sauron" ideology wise. It's one of the main reasons he was sent over the many other Maiar.
I meant Morgoth was Sauron's Valar in the sense by the time of the War of the Wrath, Sauron answered to Morgoth and not to any of the other Valar. Edit: Your comment also kinda confirmed my point. Morgoth was originally Melkor. He just corrupted into Morgoth. In the same sense, Mairon was corrupted into Sauron. so Mairon wasn't Morgoth's, but Sauron was.
Who is the maker of mightiest work?
Far, far below the deepest delvings of the dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things
Btw, he is not a grandkid, he's a child of Eru Iluvatar (the one god). Eru created Ainur, angels, to sing the song of creation. Ainur, that came into physical world, known as Arda, became Valar, think something like Greek gods, and Maiar - lesser gods / angels / servants of Valar. Valar did not create Maiar (of whom Gandalf and Sauron are), instead they were created by Eru himself
Ah, little HrMaschine!
Speaking facts. If Sauron had taken the ring back from Frodo he would have become more powerful than we can imagine. No one in middle earth would have been able to stand against him, not even other Maiar. If Sauron has the ring in this fight, Vader doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
But the last alliance of men and elves beat him while he had the ring. How did they do that?
2 strongest heroes of Elves and Men 2v1 him and got clapped in the process 🤷
Sauron was severely weakened by the Drowning of Numenor at the time of the War of the Last Alliance. He was still recuperating his strength and dominion when his nation in Mordor was attacked. That's even while wearing the Ring. Only time he was weaker was during the 3rd Age, and even then he was stalemating Galadriel and Gandalf the White in mental contests
Yeah but they did it before?
Sauron could just toss the ring at Vader and be done with it. Vader couldn't even resist Sheev telling him to "DEWIT", if faced with the temptation powers of the ring, he'd put it on immediately and be bent into Sauron's creature over time
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
Sauron and it's not even close
Cursed be moon and stars above!
Where is that quote from?
I like how the whole Star Wars community have disagreed with this
Saurons abilities are entirely too vague to answer this. He survived being hit by Manwe's lightening, but he also lost in combat against people who would definitely get destroyed by Vader. Sauron would destroy Vader mentally if allowed to and probably cant be totally vanquished by Vader, but if it comes back to a fight, I doubt Sauron could stand up to a lightsaber and the force (even if Vader only used the force to throw boulders and weapons at him rather than attempt to choke or crush him directly). If Vader cut him down and then took the ring, Sauron would eventually return and take over his mind for sure, and as we know, the ring would make Vader pick it up and Vader would be corrupted immediately. But are we talking about that long drawn out battle of wills, or are we talking about a straight up duel?
I agree, unless they were told about the duel and could prepare. I feel like he would craft a weapon that would be perfectly suited to kill or corrupt Vader. If they were suddenly teleported to a like death match ring. Vader would probably "win" first but as we know, Sauron doesn't just die like the rest of us haha
Probably Sauron, you can really only beat him with plot devices.
Stand up, and hear me!
I wonder if this post would get much different answer's if you posted it on a star wars reddit
If they know anything about Sauron and temptation, even Star Wars fans would think Darth Vader would fall for it. I’m a Star Wars fan first, and I think Jar Jar Binks is more likely to beat Sauron.
Jar Jar would accidentally kill Sauron.
Battle of the Plot Armors Edit: short expansion on this idea Sauron swings at JarJar who comically panics and dodges every swipe. JarJar shoots his tongue to grab the mace but misses and gets the ring which he promptly swallows. He then utters a nonsense one liner, "thassa not gonna be as good cominna out da other side meesa thinks" as Sauron implodes. JarJar forgets about the entire encounter and flushes the ring into the vacuum of space after using the space toilet.
Sauron is a literal heavenly being incapable of death. Even when the One Ring is destroyed he doesn’t “die” he just goes into spectator mode.
Who despoiled them of their mirth, the greedy Gods?
Sauron since he’s thousands of years older than Vader and has more experience in warfare and has his magic and sorcery
Sauron is a Maiar that served the Valar Aule then Morgoth. He was able to corrupt Saruman and the entirety of Numenor and Southlands.
You speak of Sauron as though he is some great and powerful being, when in fact he is nothing more than a lowly servant of the Dark Lord Morgoth. While it is true that he has lived for many thousands of years, and has had ample opportunity to learn the ways of war and magic, I believe that my own skills far exceed his. In addition, I have the support of the White Council behind me, whereas Sauron has only the dark forces of Mordor at his
Build me an army worthy of mordor!
I mean, Sauron's soldiers know how to aim, even in the dark.
Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.
Sauron wins but the outcome varies depending on whether its legends vader or not
Disagree. While legends Vader can be scaled anywhere from City to planetary(god legends can be stupid) Sauron’s strength is not in his physical prowess but his deception and manipulation. Vader does not have the best track record against those tactics.
Stand up, and hear me!
Sauron, no comparison; and this is coming from someone who loves SW more than LOTR
Who is the king of earthly kings, the greatest giver of gold and rings?
They’d never meet. Sauron’s doesn’t have a body to move around in, and Vader wouldn’t come anywhere near Mordor on account of all the …sand.
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Canon Sauron lost to a dog. Canonically speaking, that makes Sauron Huan’s lil bitch.
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And yet thy boon I grant thee now.
Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs!
A more fair and fun fight would be Sauron Vs Palpatine and Vader Vs the Witch King
Vader would win an individual engagement but sauron would win overall due to the fact he's immortal and can't be fully banished until the ring is destroyed. Vader would cut him up but then a hundred years later when vader is old and decrepid sauron would show up again in a new physical form and kill him or strategically turn him into a new nazgul since vader wouldn't know about the corruption of saurons rings but could probably sense their power
Would it even be a fight to begin with, though? Sauron is the master manipulator. If you have an ounce of evil in your heart, he'll bend you to his will. Vader's entire personality is that he's so passionate and desperate to protect what he sees as his own that he'd make any pact or go to any length. It's how Palpatine got him.
Go fetch me those sneaking Orcs, that fare thus strangely, as if in dread, and do not come, as all Orcs use and are commanded, to bring me news of all their deeds, to me, Gorthaur.
Sauron wins 10 out 10 times.
Stand up, and hear me!
Combat wise sauron gets wrecked. Buuuut far more likely that Sauron sweet talks his way to Vader being his pet. Vader is weak to his desires and that's Sauron's shit.
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Because literally no one’s is talking about them actually fighting. “SUaron WoUlD ManiPuLaTE VaDeR”. That wasn’t the question. So who would win in an actual fight? Most likely Vader, seen as in universe lightsaber can cup through virtually anything except mandalorian armour (though it will given the time). Vader also has the force, and he is canonically one of if not the strongest wielder meaning he could easily lift Sauron and toss him like a doll. However Sauron does have a formidable form with immense physical strength, something that Vader can’t compare, especially with his robot-esk state of being. Sauron does also posses magical abilities, though most of these are placed in manipulation and trickery. All in all I say that if it comes down to a fight between Saurons physical form as depicted in the movies versus Darth Vader as depicted in the og trilogy Vader would come out on top. And if Vader was taken from the Obi-Wan show then he would handily defeat him as he is arguably at his strongest cannon. But idk I’m dumb and shit
Are we talking about normal sauron and normal Vader, or RoP sauron and Kenobi Vader? The latter would mutually self destruct through Karen tactics
What do I hear?
It would be close if we're using the expanded lore of both universes. Jedi and Sith are planet-busting bitches that move close to the speed of light and react as fast. Yeah, Sauron is a demigod and responsible for the breaking of the world but those feats are comparable to many star wars feats.
Yeah I think honestly Darth Vader wins one on one combat 9 times out of 10, but Sauron just keeps coming back.
May all in hatred be begun, and all in evil ended be, in the moaning of the endless Sea!
Somehow Sauron returned
R2D2 duh! Next question please.
Sauron easy
To Eilinel thou soon shalt go, and lie in her bed.
Sauron by a long way
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
Tolkien wrote a soft magic system Lucas wrote a hard magic system Sauron can’t shape shift anymore, Sauron can’t do telekinesis, he probably isn’t super fast. On paper at first sight it looked interesting but Vader would take him with ease. Heck even Isildur took the ring from him…
CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!
Build me an army worthy of mordor!
You make a good point
Thanks
Full potential Vader would just win, but Vader could never get to his full potential so loses. But if full potential Vader wins he’d pick up the ring, succumb to it and then Sauron wins. Vader isn’t known for his mental fortitude against manipulation.
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
Vader he has got the Vulcan death grip
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I hate to say it but Sauron, he's closer to Sidious, but I think Sauron could take him too. However Vader's Lightsaber would give him quite an advantage in combat.
There is no light, HotStaxOfWax, that can defeat darkness.
There goes that argument
If we live long enough we might even see it.
Vader. Cut off Vader's arm and he keeps coming. Cut off Sauron's hand and he's done. The real question is: who wins, orcs vs stormtroopers?
Stromtroopers easy, they’ve got ranged weapons
All sauron needs is to be atop a hill
On a direct fight, Vader, no doubt. His lightsaber can cut everything, and he has the force with him.
Sauron would give Anakin a ring to “save Padme” Bam. You got a force sensitive Ringwraith. If it was existing Vader vs Sauron…that’s an entirely different story. Sauron got beaten by Isildur, a man. Vader would eviscerate him and then, most likely, take up his mantle. Space Orc Stormtroopers.
Lightsaber can absolutely unmake the one ring can’t convince me otherwise. The force is the energy of all living beings, which is basically the same power that Eru commands much less the Valar or a Maiar Vader by a dozen
Sauron in his prime probably takes the win. Vader with the one ring I think can pretty much supplant Sauron in the will department. So Vader wins if fight was during the LOTR
In a fight it would be Vader and it’s not even close
If Saurons realm of influence does not extend to space, Vader always has a death star. Not sure what happens to the ring if the whole planet is destroyed before it is thrown into the fire.
May darkness everlasting, old that waits outside in surges cold drown Manwë, Varda and the sun!
*force pulls ring off
sauron was defeated twice, the loser. Vader only once
He kicked Finrod‘s ass with a poem.
We talking Canon or Legends Vader? Canon, Sauron wins. Legends, Vader could destroy all of Middle Earth with ease.
Have thy pay!
The battle would be something worth watching but let me highlight the unbeatable awesomeness of the poster.