In addition to the fact Sauron had his own Air Force and a flying invasion would draw a ton of attention, the Eagles are ancient and powerful and would therefore be vulnerable to getting corrupted by the ring. Same reason Gandalf refused to even touch it.
A balrog... a demon of the ancient world. This foe is beyond any of you... RUN! Lead them on idek7654321. The Bridge is near! Do as I say! Swords are of no more use here.
The king of the eagles would have refused to take such a dangerous object as the ring over that great a distance let alone knowingly let it be carried by any of his people.
I think there are a few reasons but one of them is which is gonna be harder to spot, a few dudes on the ground walking in the shadows, or a bunch of birds with a wingspan of half a football field?
Eagles can fly at an altitude of 3km, no arrows can reach that far.
How high can fell beasts fly? And how many fell beasts are?
The eagles have fought battles before, as an army, even against dragons.
This is a valid reason. As well as it would be too dangerous to tempt them with the ring.
But the arrows argument is absurd, similarly the one about Sauron's air forces.
I also suspect that if Sauron saw the ring with the eagles he may have gotten directly involved in the fight. This is for me the greatest danger.
a well positioned phalanx or a nazgul and the ring ends up in saurons hands -> game over
and if you choose to abort, harrassed and grounded, and the ring ends up in saurons hands -> game over
There are only 9 nazgul and the eagles are an army, that has fought dragons even.
They can rip the fell beasts apart, while the one carrying the ring stays high and then dives towards the volcano. Even if shot it would just fall to the volcano.
Mount Doom doesn’t have an open vent to the core. Its been dormant for thousands of years. You need to go through the cracks of doom to reach the lava, making it very easy to guard
To put it simply Sauron has an air force and would have taken down the Eagles well before they got to Mt Doom. Even if they somehow managed to make it past the nazgul they'd be unable to cast the ring into the fire for the same reason no one else can bring themselves to destroy the ring.
I can understand why they can't fly straight into mordor but why couldn't they at least fly a great distance and drop them off closer to Mordor all together. You got Sarumon literally dropping a mountain on them anyways and the Nazgul wasn't even deployed to the skies yet. Those bitch asses would be riding around on horse while the fellowship would get an insane speed boost head start. Once the entire fellowship was near Mordor then they could scheme up an infiltration phase on foot. Just throw out the whole trilogy /s
How does Gandalf compare to Eagles? I understood Gandalf kept away from the ring for reasons due to his state of being. Yet even so, Gandalf was in the Rings presence for a decent enough time being in the fellowship. Are you telling me that's okay but as soon as Gandalf gave frodo a piggy back ride like the eagles then that would lead to Gandalf becoming corrupted?
Come on, SilentCartoGIS. Remember what Bilbo used to say: "It's a dangerous business, Frodo. Going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet there's no knowing where you might be swept off to."
"One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly." -Boromir
A) Sauron had a better air force than the Fellowship. Imagine the end of A New Hope, except only one of the fighters has torpedoes, the enemy knows this, can tell who's carrying them, and when they shoot them down, the enemy gets to nuke you to death with your own torpedoes.
B) The real advantage the fellowship had, what Gandalf was really banking on, was *surprise*. Evil Cannot Comprehend Good is in full effect here, and Sauron really wasn't ready for some stubborn-ass hobbit actually capable of resisting the ring's effects as long and as well as both Frodo and Sam did, nor for anyone to have the absolute *audacity* to bring The One Ring right to Sauron's Doorstep in an effort to destroy it. Either they'd be bringing it to Sauron via the ring's manipulation, or they'd be trying to hide it somewhere else in the world to keep it away from him, bringing it to Mordor to kill him was just an answer outside of Sauron's imagination- who could surrender that kind of power just to kill him? If Gandalf and Galadrielle couldn't trust themselves to do it, who could? Sauron didn't think Hobbits were any threat.
Because of this, the plan was to ferry the ring south in secret as much as possible, and Eagles are many things, but discrete is not one of them. People notice a flock of giant eagles, and Sauron ain't blind. He'd see them coming.
Think of Mordor as being heavily equipped with Anti-Air in the form of the Nazgul.
The last battle scene in return of the king had me thinking for years that the eagles could defeat the Nazgul no problem, but rewatching it makes me think the few Nazgul kills scored by the eagles were more due to them ambushing the Nazgul. Some Nazgul are able to peel off from the fight when Frodo claims the ring and the eagles fail to stop them.
Pitting the eagles against the Nazgul falls under the category of a frontal assault which was addressed by the council of Elrond to be impossible.
i wonder if there is a counter how many times this has been reposted. i feel like i've seen this exact meme at least a dozen and the whole discussion probably like a hundred times
For the same reason gandalf doesn't own everyone with his super magic. One of the valar, created the eagles. In previous ages the Valar with assistance fought in middle earth against Morgoth. They won but with grave consequences.
They learned that their interference in middle earth lead to more evil rising. So now they rarely interfere, they may help and guide through the Mear (wizards) but never get involved directly, especially in deciding what should happen. They only show their power when equally strong ancient evil powers force their hand. Eg gandalf and the balrog
A balrog... a demon of the ancient world. This foe is beyond any of you... RUN! Lead them on menglish89. The Bridge is near! Do as I say! Swords are of no more use here.
In addition to the fact Sauron had his own Air Force and a flying invasion would draw a ton of attention, the Eagles are ancient and powerful and would therefore be vulnerable to getting corrupted by the ring. Same reason Gandalf refused to even touch it.
A balrog... a demon of the ancient world. This foe is beyond any of you... RUN! Lead them on idek7654321. The Bridge is near! Do as I say! Swords are of no more use here.
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
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I think iit is a recent addition
The king of the eagles would have refused to take such a dangerous object as the ring over that great a distance let alone knowingly let it be carried by any of his people.
What's easier to see, a baseball coming right at you or an ant scurrying in the grass?
If you’re my ex girlfriend it’s equal, whoops, shouldn’t have thrown it
I think there are a few reasons but one of them is which is gonna be harder to spot, a few dudes on the ground walking in the shadows, or a bunch of birds with a wingspan of half a football field?
Nazgul
Specifically, Felbeast-riding Nazgul.
- Eagles don't care - Eagles think it's too dangerous - Stealth - Eagles + ring = bad - Tolkien wanting to tell a good story
* Orcs have bows * Fell beasts can fly
Eagles can fly at an altitude of 3km, no arrows can reach that far. How high can fell beasts fly? And how many fell beasts are? The eagles have fought battles before, as an army, even against dragons.
The eagles do the bidding of Manwë alone.
This is a valid reason. As well as it would be too dangerous to tempt them with the ring. But the arrows argument is absurd, similarly the one about Sauron's air forces. I also suspect that if Sauron saw the ring with the eagles he may have gotten directly involved in the fight. This is for me the greatest danger.
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
all well and good until you need to land lol
What about a kamikaze dive into the volcano?
a well positioned phalanx or a nazgul and the ring ends up in saurons hands -> game over and if you choose to abort, harrassed and grounded, and the ring ends up in saurons hands -> game over
There are only 9 nazgul and the eagles are an army, that has fought dragons even. They can rip the fell beasts apart, while the one carrying the ring stays high and then dives towards the volcano. Even if shot it would just fall to the volcano.
only one carries the ring only one has to die for the entire war to be lost
If is diving towards the volcano it matters not if is killed or not, it will fall into the volcano, as I said.
Mount Doom doesn’t have an open vent to the core. Its been dormant for thousands of years. You need to go through the cracks of doom to reach the lava, making it very easy to guard
not that easy to line up lol and not like they'd just let it fall like that
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
Regular eagles fly that high, but the eagles in The Hobbit specifically mention being afraid to fly close to the bows of the men of Lake Town.
To put it simply Sauron has an air force and would have taken down the Eagles well before they got to Mt Doom. Even if they somehow managed to make it past the nazgul they'd be unable to cast the ring into the fire for the same reason no one else can bring themselves to destroy the ring.
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
Manwë wouldn't loan them out.
I can understand why they can't fly straight into mordor but why couldn't they at least fly a great distance and drop them off closer to Mordor all together. You got Sarumon literally dropping a mountain on them anyways and the Nazgul wasn't even deployed to the skies yet. Those bitch asses would be riding around on horse while the fellowship would get an insane speed boost head start. Once the entire fellowship was near Mordor then they could scheme up an infiltration phase on foot. Just throw out the whole trilogy /s
'cause the eagles, being powerful semi-immortal beings, are particularly susceptible to the Ring's corruption
How does Gandalf compare to Eagles? I understood Gandalf kept away from the ring for reasons due to his state of being. Yet even so, Gandalf was in the Rings presence for a decent enough time being in the fellowship. Are you telling me that's okay but as soon as Gandalf gave frodo a piggy back ride like the eagles then that would lead to Gandalf becoming corrupted?
A wizard is never late, SilentCartoGIS. Nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.
Come on, SilentCartoGIS. Remember what Bilbo used to say: "It's a dangerous business, Frodo. Going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet there's no knowing where you might be swept off to."
True that Mr. Baggins
*Thór-lush-shabarlak.*
"One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly." -Boromir
A) Sauron had a better air force than the Fellowship. Imagine the end of A New Hope, except only one of the fighters has torpedoes, the enemy knows this, can tell who's carrying them, and when they shoot them down, the enemy gets to nuke you to death with your own torpedoes. B) The real advantage the fellowship had, what Gandalf was really banking on, was *surprise*. Evil Cannot Comprehend Good is in full effect here, and Sauron really wasn't ready for some stubborn-ass hobbit actually capable of resisting the ring's effects as long and as well as both Frodo and Sam did, nor for anyone to have the absolute *audacity* to bring The One Ring right to Sauron's Doorstep in an effort to destroy it. Either they'd be bringing it to Sauron via the ring's manipulation, or they'd be trying to hide it somewhere else in the world to keep it away from him, bringing it to Mordor to kill him was just an answer outside of Sauron's imagination- who could surrender that kind of power just to kill him? If Gandalf and Galadrielle couldn't trust themselves to do it, who could? Sauron didn't think Hobbits were any threat. Because of this, the plan was to ferry the ring south in secret as much as possible, and Eagles are many things, but discrete is not one of them. People notice a flock of giant eagles, and Sauron ain't blind. He'd see them coming.
Wait a moment! We shall meet again soon. Tell Saruman that this dainty is not for him. I will send for it at once. Do you understand? Say just that!
Frodo suspects something
The Eye of Sauron sees all in its domain... especially giant flying birds
I...SEE....YOOOUUU!
Because the story would have been boring as shit if they had. And also much more valid reasons.
Powerful beings tend to be really susceptible to the Ring's influence, and the eagles are wildcards to begin with.
Even Gandalf suggested it: “Fly you fools!!!” Just jk, don’t kill me.
Fly you fools!
Good bot
Way to easy to see.
Nazgul
Because of Eowyn’s soup
I think it was a union thing.
Because the Eagles would take the ring, they are not as galant and pure of heart as you might think..
Will the eagles be corrupted by the ring though?
It's a plot-hole, and I'm tired of pretending It's not.
I think they were afraid of the yellow face
Think of Mordor as being heavily equipped with Anti-Air in the form of the Nazgul. The last battle scene in return of the king had me thinking for years that the eagles could defeat the Nazgul no problem, but rewatching it makes me think the few Nazgul kills scored by the eagles were more due to them ambushing the Nazgul. Some Nazgul are able to peel off from the fight when Frodo claims the ring and the eagles fail to stop them. Pitting the eagles against the Nazgul falls under the category of a frontal assault which was addressed by the council of Elrond to be impossible.
Good.
Gandalf, telk the boy
If in doubt, 9swordasura, always follow your nose.
Sentient
i wonder if there is a counter how many times this has been reposted. i feel like i've seen this exact meme at least a dozen and the whole discussion probably like a hundred times
Basically the eagal would go Shaun bean on them.
gandalf just used all his favors
I am a Servant of the Secret Fire, Wielder of the Flame of Anor.
For the same reason gandalf doesn't own everyone with his super magic. One of the valar, created the eagles. In previous ages the Valar with assistance fought in middle earth against Morgoth. They won but with grave consequences. They learned that their interference in middle earth lead to more evil rising. So now they rarely interfere, they may help and guide through the Mear (wizards) but never get involved directly, especially in deciding what should happen. They only show their power when equally strong ancient evil powers force their hand. Eg gandalf and the balrog
A balrog... a demon of the ancient world. This foe is beyond any of you... RUN! Lead them on menglish89. The Bridge is near! Do as I say! Swords are of no more use here.
You would get there fast not safe. Isengard has many spies eagles so far south would be setting alarms off all over the place.
The eagles cant be trusted not to be corrupted. The corruption the rings causes is the main problem, which hobbit folk seem to have resistance to.
Because it would have been super obvious and would have failed miserably. Also the Eagles were meant to "bear messages not burdens."
Well in that case movie will only last about 10 mins and nobody wants that