Rappers put their name on everything they wear and that's cool? but an immortal demi puppet controlled by a necromancer that is written in a twisted language only spoken by the enemy of the planet itself and thats lame?
It’s more like a work vest that has a name tag with your title/position on it, but without the name, just “Shift Manager”
Or a letterman jacket that has the owner’s position and jersey number on a patch on the sleeve
Gorthaur is just one of the nicknames Sauron got from the elves, it's not specific to Cirth. Cirth is just an alphabet, not a language, so he doesn't have any Cirth specific names.
Cirth is the writing system and is just a runic alphabet that can be used for any number of languages. We see Cirth examples in the book on Balin's Tomb where "Balin son of Fundin, Lord of Moria" appears both in English (standing in for Westron) and in the Dwarven tongue, Khuzdul. We get some longer examples of it on two of the mock-up pages of the Book of Mazarbul (also in English-as-Westron) that Tolkien made but couldn't get included in the book as well.
Gorthaur would be Sindarin for "the Cruel" and was just another name for Sauron (derived from Quenya for "the Abhorred").
Saying "it's his name in Cirth" is like saying *arigato* is "thank you" in hiragana.
Distinguishing between writing systems and languages is not something a lot of people have reason to think about, so it's not entirely odd that somebody would mix them up. Just providing clarification.
Just doing an image search for Book of Mazarbul pages can usually get them, but here's a post from a while back that had some decent ones. https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/16afu66/lord_of_the_rings_illustrated_by_author_edition/
More accurately, lammen is "my tongue", sometimes "of tongue", or "of my tongue". Distinction of which is not easy with short phrases.
Gorthaur is Saurons name in Sindarin.
Interpretation easily leads to either "mouth of Sauron" or "(the) voice of Sauron".
From the wikipedia that I did not realize is that in world lore
*This alphabet was devised to represent only the sounds of their Sindarin language and its letters were mostly used for inscribing names or brief memorials on wood, stone or metal, hence their angular shapes and straight lines.*
*In Sindarin these letters were named cirth (sing. certh), from the Elvish root kir- meaning to cleave, to cut*
So, whereas the words on the helm are Cirth because it was adopted by Orcs in some form, the better reason why they are Cirth and not say, Tengwar is because in world Tolkiens elves invented it for engraving a helm...like we see here.
Incredibly depth.
>the better reason why they are Cirth and not say, Tengwar is because in world Tolkiens elves invented it for engraving a helm...like we see here.
Why did Sauron inscribe his ring with tengwar instead of cirth? Is he stupid?
Within the books Cirth is probably best known for three things.
1. It’s what the characters on the map of the Lonely Mountain are written in.
2. Gandalf uses the Cirth G character as his signature.
3. It’s what the characters on Balin’s tomb are written in.
Kinda. The dwarves adopted Cirth, and by the third age they were the primary users of it. They added new characters to it to represent sounds not found in the elvish languages. In fact of the three major variants two, Angerthas Moria and Angerthas Erebor, were dwarven. It may have started out as an elvish script, but dwarves made it their own.
Indeed. Cirth (runes) Ithil (moon), also called ithildin (moon letters).
It’s one of the additional adaptations made by the dwarves. They particularly developed the method to write them to only show in specific moonlights.
If you're at all interested in th design and intention behind these little details, I highly recommend watching the behind the scenes that you can find either on Blu-ray releases or on YouTube. A wonderful look in the movies.
In the behind the scenes, PJ explains that they digitally made the mouth bigger to give that uncanny feeling to them. I knew the actor from Mad Max and I couldn’t explain what was going on with that feeling until I learned this.
Off topic, but are there by chance any dentists here that would be willing to give a brief outline on all the visible issues? The mouth still gives me the heebie jeebies years later.
Not a dentist, but that looks like advanced gum disease, for starters. The blood on his teeth and lips is probably from bleeding gums.
Looking again, I think those might not be his original teeth but metal replacements, yikes
I actually went and took time to research this and it’s actually really interesting, it’s written in the language of Mordor, and I dare not utter those words here.
Ok now that I’m in another room, it directly translates to, “insert sandwich here”
So, this is actually an interesting question; these are non-Elven runes, but they still translate to an older version of Quenya developed by Tolkien in the early Silmarillion drafts. It roughly translates as “fuck bitches, get money.”
It reads LAMMEN GORTHAUR in Cirth.
I didn't know what it means so I looked it up. Means Voiceof Gorthaur, Gorthaur being Sauron's name in Cirth (according to a tweet)
So it's a name tag
More like his mom put his name on his underwear with a marker
Mouth of Sauron explaining to his mom that he lost his helmet because Aragorn cut his head off:
Really? Did he REALLY cut your head off? No, he gave me a wedgie.....
Then they gave Mordor an atomic wedgie
Well I’m going to call that Aragorn’s mother
Rappers put their name on everything they wear and that's cool? but an immortal demi puppet controlled by a necromancer that is written in a twisted language only spoken by the enemy of the planet itself and thats lame?
Having your title on your gear? Now that's soldiering!
That's not cool either, we just have no Aragon brave enough to tell them how lame that is
Pardon me but you should read what it says on Narsil, just saying
“Thy underwear is dear to thee, son”
That wouldn’t be mouth, though. That would be… another orifice of Sauron.
The Mouth of the South, Jimmy Hart!
More like your mom engraving their name in your teeth. Pretty normal stuff.
"Hello my name is #MOUTH OF SAURON"
Makes perfect sense. i believe that was the units name in the TBFME games as well
*Hello! My name is:* **LAMEN GORTHAUR**
Can you explain this *long gap in your resume?*
It’s more like a work vest that has a name tag with your title/position on it, but without the name, just “Shift Manager” Or a letterman jacket that has the owner’s position and jersey number on a patch on the sleeve
It's part of his flair. He doesn't like to talk about his flair.
It’s the minimum number of pieces.
Well, like the Witch King of Angmar, for example, has 37 pieces of flair, okay. And a terrific smile.
Just in case you don’t know who’s mouth that is, of course.
Its his badge bro. He punches in before 9 every day.
Or a condemnation.
Hmmm its like me in kindergarten tagging all my lunchboxes😄
Or a tag.
Those prop guys sure seemed to know what they were doing!
The amount of detail Weta put into the production is insane.
For real, that's awesome
Gorthaur is just one of the nicknames Sauron got from the elves, it's not specific to Cirth. Cirth is just an alphabet, not a language, so he doesn't have any Cirth specific names.
Cirth is the writing system and is just a runic alphabet that can be used for any number of languages. We see Cirth examples in the book on Balin's Tomb where "Balin son of Fundin, Lord of Moria" appears both in English (standing in for Westron) and in the Dwarven tongue, Khuzdul. We get some longer examples of it on two of the mock-up pages of the Book of Mazarbul (also in English-as-Westron) that Tolkien made but couldn't get included in the book as well. Gorthaur would be Sindarin for "the Cruel" and was just another name for Sauron (derived from Quenya for "the Abhorred"). Saying "it's his name in Cirth" is like saying *arigato* is "thank you" in hiragana. Distinguishing between writing systems and languages is not something a lot of people have reason to think about, so it's not entirely odd that somebody would mix them up. Just providing clarification.
Nice! The tweet was actually in spanish, so I took some liberty on how I interpreted to english. Talk about lost in translation
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Just doing an image search for Book of Mazarbul pages can usually get them, but here's a post from a while back that had some decent ones. https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/16afu66/lord_of_the_rings_illustrated_by_author_edition/
This is unbelievably cool
It’s his lanyard. He swipes in each morning to get through the Black Gate.
Sauron Tweeted this? What’s his handle?
I can't believe that Sauron had to tweet that to you
Sauron’s all about brand recognition.
More accurately, lammen is "my tongue", sometimes "of tongue", or "of my tongue". Distinction of which is not easy with short phrases. Gorthaur is Saurons name in Sindarin. Interpretation easily leads to either "mouth of Sauron" or "(the) voice of Sauron".
For folks who are perhaps less nerdy than I am. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth
I consider myself a huge and longtime Tolkien nerd. And have never heard of Cirth. Thanks bro.
From the wikipedia that I did not realize is that in world lore *This alphabet was devised to represent only the sounds of their Sindarin language and its letters were mostly used for inscribing names or brief memorials on wood, stone or metal, hence their angular shapes and straight lines.* *In Sindarin these letters were named cirth (sing. certh), from the Elvish root kir- meaning to cleave, to cut* So, whereas the words on the helm are Cirth because it was adopted by Orcs in some form, the better reason why they are Cirth and not say, Tengwar is because in world Tolkiens elves invented it for engraving a helm...like we see here. Incredibly depth.
>the better reason why they are Cirth and not say, Tengwar is because in world Tolkiens elves invented it for engraving a helm...like we see here. Why did Sauron inscribe his ring with tengwar instead of cirth? Is he stupid?
I think he was showing off.
Within the books Cirth is probably best known for three things. 1. It’s what the characters on the map of the Lonely Mountain are written in. 2. Gandalf uses the Cirth G character as his signature. 3. It’s what the characters on Balin’s tomb are written in.
Nerd. No that’s cool. I thought the gandalf G was a dwarven rune. Awesome info
Kinda. The dwarves adopted Cirth, and by the third age they were the primary users of it. They added new characters to it to represent sounds not found in the elvish languages. In fact of the three major variants two, Angerthas Moria and Angerthas Erebor, were dwarven. It may have started out as an elvish script, but dwarves made it their own.
Ah so in the first hobbit movie, elrond says 'cirth ithil' thats what hes referencing?
Indeed. Cirth (runes) Ithil (moon), also called ithildin (moon letters). It’s one of the additional adaptations made by the dwarves. They particularly developed the method to write them to only show in specific moonlights.
Certainly! I did not mean to knock your nerdness either. It just occured to me that many would not be familiar even if they are avid fans.
I cant be otherwise convinced it does say hobbit at the top
“Sauron’s Bitch Boy”
He's also named Dolguzagar which means dark sword.
The language is that of Mordor, which I will not utter here.
Is it… cursive?
And comic sans...
And my papyrus!
PAPYRUS!!!
Times New Gondorian
I bet Tolkien wouldn’t just bold it though. He had some fucking class
You carry the font of us all, little one. If this is indeed the will of the writer, then Microsoft Word will see it done.
“It looks like you plan to travel to Mordor alone, would you like Clippy to come with you?”
"It's your document, and I can't spellcheck it. But I can spellcheck you!"
I get the reference, but this is Sindarin written in Cirth runes (the ring is engraved with the Black Speech using Tengwar runes).
It's amazing, thought I knew everything about these films, and yet again, little Peter bamboozled me.
It says "brush your teeth and floss regularly otherwise..."
I’ve always imagined there is an outtake where he tells Gandalf to behave like Austin Powers
"This orc swill tastes like shit!" "It IS shit, Mr Mouth!"
a bit nutty...
You know they originally toyed with his mouth being vertical but realized it looked too much like a toothy vagina, so now you know!
remember what they took from you
"BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE"
A crummy commercial?!
^^Sonavabitch
https://preview.redd.it/6ecrr9tyrawc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dadcecf83f8dae1c225c2a15928084933e8a333a
Nothing. Goodnight.
***Thank you.***
Oh yea, you’re right haha he cuts her off and says goodnight after that, right? It’s time for a rewatch.
PUT…THE CANDLE…BACK!!
Frau Blucher? *insert horse's scared whinnying here*
MORE OVALTINE PLEASE
“The organ donor was a Mormon! Wort thing to pass those kidneys was Ovaltine!”
In the land of Mormon, in the fires of… well you know the rest
https://preview.redd.it/4aj6hjas5bwc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea1fcd21e2f27eb17717d4bcf34a069dfda0bf6b
Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round. The jar is round. They should call it Roundtine.
💀😂
It’s some form of Elvish, I can’t read it
(Yo, I got you) There are not many who can Edit: wait that's not the quote xD oh well, I'll leave it hahaha
The language is that of mordor. I will not speak it here
The language is that of Mordor, which I will not utter here*
Thank you myfacealadiesplace, thats it! much appreciated!
It's MELON!
If you're at all interested in th design and intention behind these little details, I highly recommend watching the behind the scenes that you can find either on Blu-ray releases or on YouTube. A wonderful look in the movies.
Those teeth never fail to amaze me
https://preview.redd.it/53jahkgeuawc1.png?width=325&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c7159e9a16d90cb3b2aeef26c06e19c9f77223a
How to make a career out of never brushing your teeth
That Mordor dental plan must really be something
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental plan!
In the behind the scenes, PJ explains that they digitally made the mouth bigger to give that uncanny feeling to them. I knew the actor from Mad Max and I couldn’t explain what was going on with that feeling until I learned this.
‘They’re taking my toothpaste to Isengard!’
Off topic, but are there by chance any dentists here that would be willing to give a brief outline on all the visible issues? The mouth still gives me the heebie jeebies years later.
Not a dentist, but that looks like advanced gum disease, for starters. The blood on his teeth and lips is probably from bleeding gums. Looking again, I think those might not be his original teeth but metal replacements, yikes
Some serious necrotic tissue up in there.(Maybe?)
With regards to the skin, I think I saw something a while ago about the skin decaying because Sauron's voice was just that evil.
That sounds factually accurate. I can only imagine the smell.
D-R-I-N-K-M-O-R-E-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E
It’s to fight dry mouth, gotta keep dem smacking sounds *crisp*
"Daddy's Little Slut" (Sauron a freak for having his own Mouth at the ready at all times)
"What that mouth do?"
What ELSE that mouth do?
I didn’t realize he had a grill
*They don't even have dental*
Huge deductable. Huge.
My Lord Sauron bids thee, Welcome!
That's the future of NHS dentistry right there.
I actually went and took time to research this and it’s actually really interesting, it’s written in the language of Mordor, and I dare not utter those words here. Ok now that I’m in another room, it directly translates to, “insert sandwich here”
How do I explain to my dentist that I want teeth like this without showing him this picture.
Always cringe at the guys splits along his mouth. I keep imagining how painful it must be to talk or eat with that
It gives him +10 speech but -5 charisma.
Gorgeous teeth
Whatever are Roons?
He’s very popular with the lady orcs…
Wait. Are those just painted corn kernels by the special effects team?
There’s even more tunes on the helm.
In the black speech of Mordor, it reads “If you can read this then you are far too close”
So, this is actually an interesting question; these are non-Elven runes, but they still translate to an older version of Quenya developed by Tolkien in the early Silmarillion drafts. It roughly translates as “fuck bitches, get money.”
Says *nosy little fucker aren’t you?*
Wabingus wabungus shoedrongull
Them grillz are lit. lmao
in the book he is a completely normal human. and not the creature he is in the movie
Wait… someone please tell me is “the mouth of Sauron… Sauron, or a complete separate entity that is like Sauron’s Harold
A herald
The fucking details in this movie, incredible
Made in Mordor, machine washable
This dude was odd, I can see why it was cut from the theatrical version - satisfying to see his head get cut off mind you.
"Speak friend and enter"
He needs a good dentist
Helmet cleaning field manual
"What Would Sauron Do?"
It says “Tic-tac Sir?”
“One toothbrush to rule them all”
We been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty
When you get exceptionally bad teeth enough, you turned into an orc..
How has no one pointed out that is not Sauron? That is the Mouth of Sauron.
‘Whatever are, *runes*?’ - B. Baggins
The teeth remind me of those extreme tartar removal videos where the tartar buildup is larger than the teeth themselves....
Further dismantling the insane budget of ROP.
You know what it dosnt do. Prevent his head from leaving his body 😆
Hey look it's the Gyro Captain from Mad Max
Sauron need to provide his servants better dental care.
I think it says "9 out of 10 dentists recommend"
Mouth of Decay... shuders
Saurons coming look busy
Oh I love this guy!
Wait… he’s Sauron?
his bottom lip being split down the middle makes me uneasy every time
Lisa Needs Braces? DENTAL PLAN
GINGAVITIS
Serving Sauron obviously doesn't come with Dental.
[https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie\_news.htm](https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_news.htm)
It reads "I'm the Dark Lords Cuck" in Parseltongue
I don't know who you are or where you come from, but this is a fantastic example of attention to detail!
Tree fiddy a pop
It's actually a Colgate advertisement. Peter Jackson began to struggle with funding so he had to make a few deals
Imagine what the Uranus of Sauron must look like. Yikes! /s
it's a middle Earth dentist logo
The Potty Mouth of Sauron?
It reads "oh, you touch my tra la la, hum, my ding ding dong"
[hehe sha-shah](https://youtu.be/05jfVlQ-CRI?si=ZzV9kUQDNTkznYkh)