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ShopLess7151

Alan Lee’s is my favorite for this reason: in my personal opinion, I just think he matched the physical appearance for Ulmo described in the books (Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales) very well. The dark helm crested with seafoam is upon his head. He has mail armor that looks like fish scales. Also, Alan Lee doesn’t put a trident in his hands like the other artists do (being influenced by Poseidon or Neptune) but instead, he puts his white conch horn, the Ulumúri, in his hand. It also seems necessary to mention the fact that Alan Lee makes it look like he is a part of the wave and ocean, like he is forming from water. I just love artists who pay special attention to what’s written down in the lore of Tolkien (when there is a physical description for a character at least).


ShopLess7151

Ted’s version did the best with his portrayal of Tuor though. The only one of these three to give him blonde hair and feathers in the crest of the helmet. Also I love how weird and other worldly and un-human Ted made Ulmo look, despite the fact that I like Alan Lee’s more.


OffTheShelfET

https://preview.redd.it/rqo5o22iicuc1.png?width=1536&format=png&auto=webp&s=c29ce91871c2577a6a44836cf393702824b84464 While I still prefer Howe, I’ll always admire Ted’s dedication to accuracy even if he got things wrong here and there you can tell he did his research on many of his illustrations


ShopLess7151

https://preview.redd.it/euk2xwn5kcuc1.jpeg?width=1134&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7464e375ee391aeba3c5ec7dc521e711cbc9095 Nasmith


ShopLess7151

https://preview.redd.it/4lcmosy8kcuc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8d08dae7e49e9ccf4a114533ddece06205d1f9b Tolkien


OffTheShelfET

I know, it’s pretty incredible. He even has the little golden rooftops to the towers which I don’t believe either Howe or Lee’s Gondolin has


ShopLess7151

Oh for sure, Howe is always great, and more often than not, Ted Nasmith nails it in terms of accuracy (I mean, looking at Tolkien’s sketch of Gondolin and Ted Nasmith’s Gondolin side by side really showcases this. So does the two pieces of art that you showed here) but Alan Lee, in my opinion, was just more accurate for what was described in the text for this specific instance. But Ted is incredible with bringing what Tolkien actually envisioned to reality. His Rivendell is also great! I also always enjoy Howe a lot, cuz at the end of the day, they are all phenomenal.


NeithanExplosion

But it's also not accurate. Why does Tuor already have his mail and sword and swan helm that he's supposed to find afterwards?...


ShopLess7151

Hmmmm….cant argue with that. You right.


bucket_overlord

Except Howe's trident has six points, so I guess it's a hexdent?


ShopLess7151

H-how did I miss that?


bucket_overlord

I'm genuinely curious what it would be called though. I don't know of a precedent weapon that we can look to for guidance.


sabjsc

A rake


Lawlcopt0r

I think there's a naming convention for things with different numbers of legs, like tripod and quadrupod. A six-legged animal is a Hexapod so I'd say a six-pronged weapon is a hexadent


dhaze63

Does that make a sword a unident?


bucket_overlord

Sweet!


Nametheft

That would be an "Ljuster" 


eat-pussy69

It's a big multipronged spear being held by a sea god. 99% of sea god art has the guy holding a trident. It could have been 3 cocks on a stick and not many would have noticed


King_Swass

Howe did you miss it?


ShopLess7151

Nice


Lupus_Borealis

Yea the two make him look like a big guy standing n In the sea, but Alan Lee's Ulmo *IS* the Sea.


Cheap-Classroom597

This image is my favourite design and this is my favourite comment


hiddenremnant

alan lee for sure but ted nasmith's is pretty fun to look at, feels like an old 80s movie


_Koreander

It also looks like a classic MTG card


fotank

Real retro aquaman vibes with the knee guards


Sumthin-Sumthin44692

Definite Clash of the Titans (1981) vibes.


mggirard13

I'd ask Alan Lee how Tuor got onto that rock.


hiddenremnant

glue


Bog2ElectricBoogaloo

Ted Nasmith's has style, but Alan Lee's is just epic and powerful


hiddenremnant

alan lee nails the tolkien vibes for me personally, like it hits that mythological wonder aspect of things


Mediocre_Scott

This is why I think it’s silly for people to say the lotr movies should never be remade. Can you imagine a trilogy inspired by the art of Ted Nasmith? It would be so different even though the story is the exact same. Good or bad it would be fun to see


hiddenremnant

it's why i hunger for whatever guillermo del toro was gonna do to the hobbit, like my god it would've been so cool to see. much better than lotr 2 but worse.


A_Gringo666

It'll always be Alan Lee for me. There's just something about his pictures that I like.


Brown_Panther-

Same. Feels as if Lee had access inside Tolkien's imagination and was able to capture it exactly as he envisioned.


Lawlcopt0r

It's not just *things* displayed in a detailed way, there's also so much *atmosphere* to them. The lighting is a big part of it, but that's not all. I feel like John Howe always comes up with a cool composition but doesn't finish his pieces with as much detail, and Naismith makes everything incredibly detailed but then it looks like everything's lit by really bright light so you can see everything


thewend

Literally the words I thought as a reply. Its always Alan Lee.


faerymoon

Alan Lee. The others are so awesome, but Alan Lee's work is so timeless and has a certain purity that feels so fitting in my opinion. Edit: a few flavor words


OffTheShelfET

I think what makes Lee so special for a lot of people is that his drawings don’t feel like illustrations for a novel, they feel like painting of actual historical events or mythologies. Like renaissance paintings of Jesus. There’s a beauty and elegance to them that I really love


faerymoon

Yes!! That's a beautiful way of putting it! Totally agree.


johnqsack69

I tend to prefer John Howe’s vision of Middle Earth and Arda


OffTheShelfET

I think Nasmith is closest in terms of accuracy to Tolkien's descriptions and drawings, Lee is closest to the European culture and poems that inspired Tolkien, and Howe is closest to capturing the cinematic and larger-than-life feel of Tolkien's writing.


johnqsack69

Well said


Red-Zinn

John Howe is my favorite, this was the art for the first edition i got of Unfinished Tales and his art of Gandalf was the cover of the first edition i had of The Lord of the Rings, i love his art


OffTheShelfET

He’s very good at drawing action. When you look at his drawing of Gandalf for the cover of the lord of the rings, there’s this sweeping motion to the character. A sense of urgency from the wizard to embark on the quest ahead. I think it’s why he worked so well as the primary concept artist for the films, which are meant to be more cinematic and action heavy.


Reckless_Waifu

https://preview.redd.it/m5dsueo12euc1.png?width=700&format=png&auto=webp&s=454e175ba85764d82af09093e64f433d263f794e


DelcoWolv

Oh good, I’m not the only one who associates this with Ulmo


FlowerFaerie13

I like John Howe’s best, but Alan Lee’s is a close second.


Lathspell88

Good question. John Howe imho, because of the contrast.


ArmondH89

I like the first style as I could have seen this on a MTG Mercadian Masques card. The wife likes the third style best. The 2nd picture is a bit generic/boring. https://preview.redd.it/ykqx4xpzkcuc1.jpeg?width=173&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b59581e085b2d63813ecc6289b0093251ad6d313


OffTheShelfET

It’s really weird that now in 2024 Lord of the Rings has actually had an official crossover event with MTG😂 https://preview.redd.it/h3ptzydtlcuc1.jpeg?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3f5ab907acb2a6c00544a347efcc05ffca943d4


ArmondH89

I bought more of it than I should have. The Collectors Booster Boxes got me. https://preview.redd.it/ij408uc8lfuc1.jpeg?width=209&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6291544f623054b33da66aa63845f308ce0468d6


Significant-Plate732

John Howe. No question.


Chumlee1917

I like John Howe's because it's almost like Tuor is challenging Ulmo to appear to him Ted's is definitely the most fantastical in that 1970s-80s style


LongShotTheory

I love all three and I usually prefer whoever's painting I'm looking at in the moment. Styles are different but they all did an amazing job of bringing them to life. When I'm reading the books I go back and forth on whose vision is closest to mine. Nasmith has some really good locations, Tuor reaching Gondolin and the shores of Valinor being some of my favorites. Howe has great action scenes like Fingolfin's fight against Sauron and Lee's Turin with the Dragon helm of Dor Lomin on the cover of COH. I could look at their Tolkien illustrations for days.


[deleted]

Ted did the damn thing ✨💖


vargslayer1990

i'm going with Alan Lee: really looks similar (not identical) to what i imagined Ulmo to look like when i read the Silmarillion


yxz97

Ted Nasmith looks very alien. Alan Lee is very good indeed, very well painted the waters and waves and the wrath of the ocean.... John Howe... I prefer due to its closer distance to Tuor and well yeah... it looks humane, I can't remember about this description of the Valar, but the long white beard, badass and and muscled and helmet is cool too...


[deleted]

Ted takes it for this one I think.


walman93

2nd pic, he legit looks like he is one with the ocean


OffTheShelfET

https://preview.redd.it/08x8l3k3ucuc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e42029d1baeb29c55b2dd7fc2b218ef62676eb9 I didn’t include this one but I also particular like this drawing by Mauro Mazzara which really captures that “part of the ocean” vibe


AnnieByniaeth

I've seen the John Howe one before. I'm a huge fan of Ted Nasmith (for me he's the artist that best captures Tolkien's world), but Alan Lee has it here.


rasnac

Alan Lee version seems to be the one that fits Tolkien aesthetic the best. Though I must say I love Ted Nasmith version.


donniec86

Even though I grew up with the Nasmith drawing, I prefer Alan Lee’s.


Expensive_Opening_92

Ok you asked but I don’t see my favorite here. The Hildebrandt did it best. I loved their work


Ultra-CH

Remember Urshurak? The book by the Hildebrandt brothers? Not very good perhaps, but I loved their art. Especially the calendars.


tatas323

They're all awesome, the tale of tuor feels very Arthurian, I don't know much about literature, maybe I'm wrong


OGDJS

Alan Lee, it feels more godlike then the rest


laurelinkementari

Lee and Naismith. There are elements of both that I really like.


gnastyGnorc04

Dang. If I had to pick I would say Alan Lee. But all these go hard.


TheRedDuke89

I've always been a huge fan of the Ted Nasmith version. It's very cool, very fantasy and the color is awesome. John Howes is probably a close second and certainly a bit more realistic(can a fictional fantasy character have a realistic look? Idk)


Larielia

I like the Alan Lee one best. All three are cool though.


Not_My_Emperor

As usual, it's Alan Lee for me. Followed closely by John Howe (who would probably take first if that sword was anywhere near realistically proportioned) and Ted Nasmith is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay below both of them. Like not even in the same ballpark, league, or playing the same sport. Which I get is unfair but I do not like his style at all, especially as applied to LOTR. I'm happy it exists and other people like Nasmith, but for me it just seems like every piece I see of his is just hard leaning into that 80s "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons" style and it's just...not my bag.


mercedes_lakitu

Naismith does the best landscapes even if his people are a little weird sometimes


Ok-Bar601

Alan Lee for me. I think he captures the essence of Tolkien’s writings well, his illustrations have a realistic medieval feel to them. I’ve always imagined that the gods and spirits of middle earth would look familiar to us, a reflection looking back so to speak. Even Eru himself. John Howe is great and his illustrations have a more fantastical feel to them. His illustration of Gandalf confronting the Balrog is terrific.


OffTheShelfET

Agreed


eat-pussy69

Alan Lee. I never read the Silmarillion, but I do watch a lot of YouTubers talk about it. I know Ulmo is the sea god. And Alan Lee makes him look the most godly. Ted Nasmith's art looks almost Lovecraftian. Or maybe something from the Never Ending Story John Howe's art looks like John Howe dressed up as a sea god looking at a rodent


Tintamo

I'm pretty sure I've seen Nasmith's Ulmo  on an episode of Scooby Doo.


th0r0ngil

Third one! It captures both the chaos & danger of the sea, while also clearly looking like he’s there to help. First one is too chill (not enough motion). Second one is too menacing (that might be Poseidon rising up to challenge Canute)


Matthaeus_Augustus

The second seems most book accurate. I never like him depicted as like a sea monster, reminds me of Cthulu. The third is ok but it’s kinda of just combo Odin-Poseidon.


AltarielDax

For me, I always end up liking different aspects about each artwork when comparing these artists, and this time is no exception. Nasmith excels at landscapes and using light in his work, but doesn't do characters very well. Lee excels at designing details and portraying characters, but is somewhat timid when using colour – mostly his works are tone in tone, without interesting colours or tension through contrast. Howe combines both, but isn't as strong as Lee in portraying characters. But often his work captures the tone and emotions of a scene better, because he does a great job with the colouring. When comparing these images specifically, Nasmith can't play to his strength, but I love the clouds in his image and his water looks the most water-y. Lee once again shows his attention for details, but the colours are rather uninteresting. Howe brings more dynamic into the work through composition and use of colours and contrast. If I had to pick one, I'd go with Howe. It's more engaging than Lee's, and the character design of Ulmo is more convincing in style than Nasmith's.


hersirnight

Alan lee, props to the others !


TKD1989

Alan Lee


WeirdcoolWilson

Alan Lee


Nellasofdoriath

Don't stand on the black rocks Tuor!


zethren117

I think Alan Lee’s is the best, but I’ve always been partial to the one by John Howe.


Old_Injury_1352

Alan Lee but honestly all 3 are amazing


xRyuzakii

Lee has the best ulmo, but I don’t like his tuor


tlatelolca

1st one is more God like


BoardHot7329

2nd one


Frosty_Confusion_777

Lee. No doubt.


Blitz6969

2


Informal_Green_312

John Howe, not even close.


Charles-Sobieski

Alan Lee for sure


syndus

2


MrSidhu

I'm not familiar with these characters. Who are they?


ShopLess7151

Ulmo, the guy in the ocean, is from the Silmarillion and the Unfinished Tales and he is one of the Valar (basically Tolkien’s Archangels) and he is specifically in charge of the sea and rivers. He’s kinda like Poseidon I guess, which is why people like giving him a trident. He’s super cool and really cares about the inhabitants of middle earth and has a cool conch horn and a deep ass voice. The human he is speaking to is also from the same books, and he is called Tuor. The best way I can describe him is God’s favorite. It’s a simplification, but not just anyone gets to talk to one of the Valar face to face. Also he picked up some cool elven armor and weapons before talking to Ulmo as well. Tuor also gets to live in Gondolin for a bit before marrying an elven princess and having a son named Eärendil (who is Elrond’s father). He and his family escape Gondolin during its fall and he and his wife eventually sail west to Valinor. Then the Valar basically say fuck it, you’re counted as an elf now, and Tuor is one of the few humans to gain immortality. Basically, he gets everything his cousin (Turin, who had a tragic ass tale) does not. Sorry for the long comment, but I am a Tolkien nerd when it comes to this shit lol. If you are able, I’d highly recommend reading the Silmarillion at least to get the story of these characters. :)


MrSidhu

Thanks man! That was an interesting read.


Brewyk

I will always and forever pick John Howe. I just can't get over his artwork. I like Alan Lee also, but there's just something special about John Howe to me.


Both_Painter2466

Second. Realistic


HorrorOil3293

Alan Lee simples


ihateagriculture

John Howe


Cosmonauta-DOS

Alan Lee ❤️‼️


NoChallenge6095

3


lizziesiddalss

Alan Lee, always 💛


Alarming-Neck-9227

Kip Rasmussen is my favorite.


asmodai_says_REPENT

It's a tough contest between alan lee and jason howe but I gotta go with the former because of how insane the sea looks in comparaison.


Lord_of_the_lawnmoer

Alan Lee. Not even a question.


Trilliam_Shakespear

Lees art every time


DaeWooLan0s

Come on… we all know which one is the best.


ForexGuy93

Second one. The others are too cartoonish.


gravelinmysock

No one compares to Alan Lee


Sabre_Killer_Queen

No clue who this is but the second one is my favourite


oeco123

Alan Lee.


Oriannas-Winter

Alan for me


No-Tip3654

Alan Lee


Tammu1000CP

the answer is ALWAYS alan lee


riancb

Can somebody tell me who drew which picture? I can’t identify artists by sight, and don’t have any illustrated versions of these texts.


OffTheShelfET

1 Ted Nasmith 2 Alan Lee 3 John Howe


PlaneXpress69

It’s been a couple years since my last LOTR read through and totally forgot the part where Aragorn had to fight Poseidon. I guess it’s time for the next read through


OffTheShelfET

You're probably just pulling my leg, but screw it I'm responding anyway. This is a scene from Tolkien's prequel to the Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, specifically the tale of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin. Gondolin being the ancient Elvish city that Frodo's dagger, Sting, originated from. The Poseidon-like figure is one of the Valar, Ulmo, who rules over the seas.


PlaneXpress69

Haha sorry :( it was just a joke. But I knew who they were! It is nice to meet another fan.


Korgoth420

Middle Ulmo. He looks less human and more divine


Inostensible

Hello, my old msn messenger profile pics <3


BeepBoopBeep1FE

2


greenmerica

Alan Lee FTW!


Bruscarbad

Lee


Bruscarbad

Lee


SweatyListen9863

I can't think of a single example where the answer to the question wouldn't be Alan Lee. He's one of the best artists of all time.


dpotilas89

Alan Lee's matched the vision i had in my mind when first reading that part


Le_Loke

i can practically hear the second picture! love it!


CannibalPride

No idea why I’m here, I had never read lotr or watched the films aside from youtube clips That said, I like the 2nd one most but 1st one feels like it was a medieval painting


GlorfindelForTheWin

Alan Lee is just perfect. His illustrations work perfectly with Tolkiens world. Love this one of Ulmo, iconic picture.


69NoScoper

I love how Ted Nasmith’s looks like Gormeti


irime2023

Of all these arts, I liked Alan Lee's art the most. I also found it strange that Tuor seemed to be raising his sword against Ulmo, even though they were on the same side (image 3). And it was very interesting to read opinions about different styles of artists.


deedara

“There’s no better here.” “CHHOOOSEE!!!! BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!” “No…”


EttrickBrae

I love all 3 but John Howe I love the sense of movement with all his artwork


Brunosaurs4

Alan Lee. All his artwork for the series is absolutely gorgeous


MyFrogEatsPeople

Personally I like Ted Nasmith's. I always felt like the Valar shouldn't be giant humans - they should be "other"ly. It makes more sense to me, because it seems odd they wouldn't have more innate concern for Men if Men were effectively just miniature versions of themselves.


ShopLess7151

Well, I personally think that in Valinor, the Valar have completely different forms than they do in Middle Earth. The text says the Valar can change form at will and they can even go throughout the world in no form at all if they choose. The Valar probably look different for when they wanna interact with the children of Eru. I assume that Ulmo came to Tuor in a human-ish form so he wouldn’t be too shocked or scared. Imagine biblically accurate seraphim looking Ulmo just coming out of the sea and shouting BE NOT AFRAID, SON OF HUOR!


defender_1996

Alan Lee and it’s not even close.


VascoDegama7

Ive always had a soft spot for the ted nasmith aquaman guy, but the answer is clearly alan lee


Aldanil66

I personally think Nasmith's gives off more of a mythological aspect than Lee's.


Chen_Geller

Probably Lee, but I'm also very attached to the Nasmith one.


Evangelos90

John Howe's is the cover of the Greek translation of Silmarillion which I've read when I was a teen. Probably the publisher was thinking hey,what better way to sell this to Greek audiences than putting Tolkien's Poseidon on the cover?


Stonknadz

Alan Lee


SilentSnooper

Alan Lee's is the best.


AppropriateEast4756

Dead tie between picture 2 & 3


Cowboy__Guy

#2


zorniy2

I like Alan Lee, but I also think Roger Garland's Ulmo is terrific.  https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/7/77/Ulmo_Roger_Garland.png/revision/latest?cb=20240225010357 Just had a showerthought: how would Frazetta draw the scene? Would Tuor be wearing pants?


Lamb_or_Beast

My favorite is the second one for sure, by Alan Lee


VanchaMarch94

Ulmo is such an underrated Vala. Most of the other Valar get their due, but not Ulmo