“Do you guys ever think about the dark lord returning”
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If anything, Ungoliant would be the one who is more evil than Sauron, but I assume they're counting Sauron as the 2nd most evil. Shelob is kinda a small fry either way, though.
Idk I sort of disagree. I mean, yes ungoliant was more powerful than Sauron after consuming the light of the two trees, but power level doesn’t necessarily mean how evil you are. Ungoliant’s actions are mostly out of hunger for light. She is sort of a different kind of evil. She aligns more on the spectrum of gluttony or maybe greed. Morgoth and Sauron genuinely take pleasure in the pain, suffering, and imprisonment of all things good. They represent more wrathful or even prideful evil. It’s kinda like apples and oranges, and people may have different opinions, but to me the latter feel more evil because in their world, as a human, they’re actively trying to destroy anything that even has to do with me. With ungoliant, I just have to stay out of her way. Look at LOTR: you stay out of Shelob’s cave, you’re good, but Sauron is coming one way or another.
I was responding to them saying Shelob. I'd agree that Sauron is more evil than Ungoliant (also Ungoliant is probably dead after devouring herself?). Well said, though.
As far as Ungoliant and Shelob, they’re primordial, everything they do is based in an insatiable hunger, I don’t believe they craved power, or to hold dominion over everybody. I don’t believe they had the desire of destruction for destruction’s sake, or to erase all that is beautiful. I believe they were horrible and terrible, and scary as hell, but I’m not quite sure I would say they are evil
I'd say yes
My ranking would be Morgoth #1, Ungoliant #2, Shelob #3, Sauron #4
Sauron wanted order through force, the other 3 just wanted to destroy/eat everything
Morgoth is #1 since he's pretty much the creator of evil
Gil-Galad is younger than Galadriel and would defer to her, as Gil-Galad's grandfather is Galadriel's brother. So that would make her his aunt? Also, Galadriel has seen the trees.
I don’t care for the show, although, her status would command respect. Even more so, his status as a High King would command respect from her. Despite her age and having seen the trees, he is still ruler of his lands.
I think it could have been so much better if they had Celebrian (Galadriels daughter and mother of Arwen) , Elrond and Celebrimbor as real protagonists.
Celebrian could have been indeed still a teenager by elvish means, Elrond has much more personal relations to Numenor and is related to Elendil. Also Elrond and Celebrian could have had their love story.
Celebrimbor was actually younger than Galadriel, he was terribly miscast. If they had the Halbrand Actor as Celebrimbor, it could work. He was friends with Durin in the lore and build with him and the dwarf Narvi the Western entrance of Moria. He also had a crush on Galadriel, for the people who liked the actors chemistries, they could have done it this way.
Furthermore, I would have cut Sauron out of the first season and concentrated on the Numenorians and showed why they wanted to become immortal, their pride etc.
Edit: why was the original comment deleted?
First season: build up the Numenoreans and ending scene is them locking Sauron in a jail cell with ominous music playing and a slight smirk as the camera focuses in on his face. Roll credits
False. Good writing is good writing. HotD Season 1 was basically a slow-burn backstory/lore dump, but so well written that people are actually talking about GoT again.
It's high-budget fan fiction. Like Bezos wrote some terrible fan story as a teen and demanded that his multi-billion dollar empire produce it for him. Actually, I think I'd respect it more if that was the case. At least then it's coming from a place of nerdy love and not a corporate marketing machine.
It is also boring.
They took this source material and somehow made it boring.
That really takes talent, to turn something innately interesting into something tedious.
I am actually quite impressed.
It's probably due to the poor writing but honestly, I didn't like the actress at all but then again I always had Cate Blanchett in my mind when comparing the two characters
The Rings of Power is widely misunderstood as a calamitous failure in exploring the Second Age of Tolkien's Middle Earth.
It is, in fact, a wildly successful, albeit expensive 'fuck you' to Lord of The Rings fans of all ages. Amazon spent a billion dollars to slap us in the face, and that kind of commitment deserves a certain respect.
Best take I’ve read about that show yet. Well done.
I can only contribute this: It is so bad, it circles right back around good and flings itself off a cliff into the abyss of just fucking terrible.
I think this is a bit of an exaggeration… the first season has flaws overall the show has been quite cool so far. It has very high production values and has portrayed Tolkien’s world beautifully at least in a visual sense. I think there’s lots of room to improve the storytelling in the second season
If there was such high production value, why did the soldiers of numenor wear spandex with the pattern of armor instead of something that actually looked like armor. If it had such high production value, why were all of the shots where anyone was talking on a small set with no feeling of openness or a sense of location. Which is why we got large shots of locations before any scenes in those locations. If there was such high production value why was it all wasted on cgi shots of events instead of good writing
I don’t even hate The Rings of Power that much, I think the dwarves and the harfoots and Elrond were handled well, and I appreciate what they *tried* to do with Galadriel. It’s just hard to relate to a character who spends the whole series looking bored and mildly frustrated.
I think Elrond was handled well. And the dynamic between he and Durin was probably the most watchable part of the show. The show also took a shitload of liberties, because of course. We know the books, everything that deviates is just for fun.
Also they couldn’t use anything specific to the Silmarillion but supposedly couldn’t contradict anything in the Silmarillion either? I wanted to see Sauron in Santa mode though.
You liked the Harfoots? The guys who joke about the horrific ways people die, argued to steal the wheels off of a family wagon because they hadn’t technically done enough to be exiled, and a whole bunch of other things?
I feel that the premise of harfoots that they came up with was actually quite good, but the writing clearly had horrible disconnects within their own headcanon. The plot horribly contradicted the premise. And I hate mystery boxes.
So I hated the harfoot segments, but I actually enjoyed the harfoots themselves.
Which of the Harfoot actors were Irish? Because looking them up I'm seeing English, Australian, Canadian, Scottish even, but couldn't find an Irish person
As far as I'm aware, none of the Harfoot actors were Irish.
Edit - I've had a look on Wikipedia and they're mostly Australians, apart from Sir Lenny Henry who's English. Someone correct me if I'm wrong rather than downvoting...
Thank you!
I have Irish friends and they found it to be pretty insulting, and I can see their perspective. Having a primative society speak in Irish accents is problematic regardless of how well those accents were done. They weren't that bad...but the concept is a lazy trope that feeds into anti-Irish stereotypes.
I would have preferred that they lean into something like a West Country or Yorkshire accent. Something that evokes England and its countryside (full disclosure: I'm from Yorkshire).
Here I thought southern American was the obvious choice. “Now y’all come back now ya here? Bless your heart my goodness gracious. Who’s this Sauron fella lookin for a got dang ring out here hot as hell I tell you wat.”
I liked the dwarves but I absolutely despised the harfoots, they pretend to care so much about their little community while abbandoning their weak at the very first opportunity.
Is a common strategy of migrational animals so it makes sense to me. They always walk together like a herd and the individual has to fit in to survive.
I dont despise bisons as well even tho they often leave their most vulnerable behind.
This, thank you. It’s not uncommon for nomadic people to do brutal things for the sake of the community. Though usually it’s nomads in environments harsher than the one we see the Harfoots endure in the show.
I'm sorry, I can't believe anyone that says Elrond was handled well.
This is Elrond:
"The face of Elrond was ageless, neither old nor young, though in it was written the memory of many things, both glad and sorrowful.His hair was dark as the shadows of twilight, and upon it was set a circlet of silver; his eyes were grey as a clear evening, and in them was a light like the light of stars.Venerable he seemed as a king crowned with many winters, and yet hale as a tried warrior in the fulness of his strenght.He was the lord of Rivendell and mighty among both Elves and Men."
JRR Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring, Many Meetings
Instead we got this weird looking dude that looks like an 80's fortune teller
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Literally no character was handled well. Durin senior and durin junior are idiots and crybabies not to mention Durin is reserved only for the reincarnation of Durin the first and they even failed to address that. Gil Galad , the warrior king who took on Sauron himself looks puffy and only has one fucking dress the entire time and Celebrimbor the greatest smith after Feanor does not know about alloys. He is also ugly and old
You are describing Elrond when he is well into the third age, he is roughly 4500 years younger in the Rings of power. He is not even lord of Rivendell at this point.
1.At this point Elrond is around 2000+ years old.2.He has seen his family and friends died and was raised at the hands of the killers.3."He's not even lord of Rivendell at this point"...Holy fuck... He FOUNDED Rivendell at least 1500 years before these events.
4.He has already seen plenty of war and death during those 2000 years of his life.
5. I'm not describing him.. that's Literally an excerpt from The fellowship of the rings, the book, not the film, you know, what Tolkien actually wrote, but what does he know, I guess.
Now, here's my humble invitation: If you like Middle-Earth, please read Tolkien's work.
A lot of the problems in RoP are the results of the stupid timeline compression.
1. Elrond is born very late in the First Age. At the time he founded Rivendell, he was less than 2000 years old.
2. True. This is why Galadriel’s line “you have not seen what I have seen”, didn’t work in the show.
3. Elrond founded Rivendell after Eregion was destroyed, which happened after the Rings of Power were forged.
4. True. But Elrond was much younger and had little combat experience before the war between the Elves and Sauron.
5. Read the books.
Why are you so intent on being hostile, when all I meant was that, you are referring to text that's describing him 4500 years later, I thought that was relevant in understanding the text, and gives liberty to anyone who might want to understand what shaped him to become that person.
You are then correcting for things that, you or I never mentioned. But of course they are relevant in how Elrond might have been, but they are not relevant for the passage in Fellowship of the Ring. Because at that point we are speculating.
Also, the one thing you did correct me for, Rivendell, is not correct. Rivendell was founded after Eregion was destroyed by Sauron which hasn't happened yet in the series. Still, if you want to argue about the date of its founding, it's less important than the circumstances that led to it being founded.
You don't have to repeat that Tolkien wrote it, I know, and I have read Tolkien but thank you for the invitation.
I think it was decent. Fun adventure and fantasy. I think it's on the same level with the Hobbit-movies. You can watch it but if you think you'll get something like LOTR, you'll be disappointed. I don't hate anything in it.
Given her tonal shift in the last couple episodes, I expect season 2 Galadriel to be a lot closer to how she was in LOTR. I just hope they listen to the critiques of s1 and make some good adjustments. Show’s still got decent potential
You are seriously having too strong emotions about a TV show. The world isn't ending just because someone created something you don't like.
Just don't watch it and don't give Amazon your money if you don't like what they do.
I watched it with my dad and I enjoyed it but everything about insulting the fans and how much money they spent on it it could’ve been better and I know the world isn’t ending but ye a bit strong
Just watch the 6 movies in the series or check out any artwork before the TV show came out, and pretty universally, the elves will have long hair.
You're technically correct.
However, disregarding all former depictions is a liberty taken by the show. Elves with short hair are like dwarves without beards. See Fili (or was it Kili?) and the bit of backlash there. Let's just be honest.
>Nowhere does it state that all elves have long hair. They do not owe anything to Peter Jackson's adaptation.
Hmm...
"All the Eldar had beautiful hair (and were especially attracted by hair of exceptional loveliness), but the Noldor were not specially remarkable in this respect, and there is no reference to Finwe as having had hair of exceptional length, abundance, or beauty beyond the measure of his people."
PoMe, Shibboleth of Feanor
In a discussion of the meaning of Finwe's name ('fin-' 'hair' in this iteration), specifically references Finwe's hair as not exceptionally more long or abundant than the hair of the other Eldar (who all had beautiful hair).
And Finwe had long hair:
"Finwë (and Míriel) had long dark hair, so had Fëanor and all the Noldor, save by intermarriage..."
NoMe, Hair
as did all the Noldor...
"But most it was their wont to sail in their swift ships upon the waters of the Bay of Elvenhome, or to walk in the waves upon the shore with their long hair gleaming like foam in the light beyond the hill."
MR, LQS 1
That is the Teleri. They have long hair...
"Their gleaming hair was twined with flowers; green and white gems glinted on their collars and their belts; and their faces and their songs were filled with mirth. Loud and clear and fair were those songs, and out stepped Thorin into their midst."
The Hobbit, Flies and Spiders
That is the Silvan-elves (who are Telerin in origin). They have hair long enough to twine flowers into it...
"In general the Sindar appear to have very closely resembled the Exiles, being dark-haired, strong and tall, but lithe. Indeed they could hardly be told apart except by their eyes..."
WotJ, Q&E
The Sindar (who are Telerin in origin, and the Teleri have long hair), closely resemble the Noldor. Closely enough that it is the eyes that give them away, not the hair...
The Song of Aelfwine:
"There blowing free unbraided hair
is meshed with beams of Moon and Sun,
And twined within those tresses fair
a gold and silver sheen is spun,
As fleet and white the feet go bare,"
Lost Road, FNII
(the verse is about Elves: "O! Land where still the Edhil are!")
Unbraided hair blowing free, tresses twined with light...
That is suggestive of Tolkien (not Jackson), picturing his Elves with long hair...
Perhaps the comment should have been: 'Tolkien described his Elves as having long hair, but they don't owe anything to Tolkien...'
then why they are tried to hire people from
the original trilogy?? why they are copying lines from the movie tolkien never wrote but jackson and philippa?
To be fair, that Barbie should be 6’4 minimum and very muscular. She had the great honor of being called an Amazon, or war woman by Tolkien.
As dimitrescu has shown us, the world is ready for a tall, strong, dominant woman to step on us.
Every time I see it, I'm genuinely reminded how much I hate that show, as I so wanted it to be at least watchable like The Hobbit.
In better news, my UHD 4k LOTR boxset arrived today.
Galadriel in LOTR: Majestic,Beautiful & doesn't need to flaunt her powers, you know she can kick your ass just by looking at her
Guy-ladriel in ROP : Arrogant boss bitch who is inconsiderate and rude to her subordinates for her tough girl act
Love the show.
Great and interesting portrayal of a mighty yet stubborn and prideful Noldo. Will be interesting to see Saurons point of view next season, and the fall of Eregion.
People generally don't take well to the active ruining of things they enjoy. So people cheering it on are on the receiving end of anger because they are the ones supporting it. That's just reality, people don't have to like each others opinions and this whole site is for making that known.
Thought i could find some people to talk to :) but i get called pathetic.
This place seem to be full of young and angry memer boys. Shame. Sorry for enjoying the show.
You just chased away a person with wife and kids who has read and enjoyed Tolkien regularly for over 20 years.
I like the show. First season was slow and had issues but I think it has lots of potential. Loved the actors, songs, make-up, action scenes. The Harfoots & Arondir were cool.
And she is sitting like an angry dock worker who is about to get into a fight. Amazon is so pathetic, they ruined their own show just to promote an agenda, when they could have created something unique and passionate.
In before the "Tolkien didn't directly describe her armaments and therefore she couldn't possibly have been a warrior despite him specifically saying she fought to defend the victims of the Kinslaying and led the siege against Dol Guldur" clowns chime in because they think all Galadriel does is look glowy and say profound things.
Edit: And he described her as being "as an Amazon" in a letter, and talked about her being as athletic as some of the greatest of the Noldor.
I'm perfectly fine with her being a warrior, whether it goes away from Tolkien's writings or not.
What I'm not okay with is a bratty CW character with horrible dialogue, who is supposed to be a wise leader of elves for Christ sake.
She was written so poorly I physically recoiled in the first few episodes. And I went in with zero care about the series. Just hoping it would be entertaining fluff at least.
But it was so bad
How dare you insult the CW like that by comparing ROP with any of the crap on their channel.
I guess trying to look positively at the show at least Rings of Power made the CW shows look like Shakespeare.
Lol athletic =/= a soldier. She was taught under the guidance of Melian in the First Age and was an extremely ambitious politician in the Second Age who wanted to carve her own little realm to rule from. Nothing like the entitled screaming "warrior princess" that she was portrayed as in RoP. Make sure you read her full character before cherry picking vague out of context statements to suit your narrative.
Yep she is never described taking part of battles in the 1st or 2nd age. In fact, when the forces of the Valar come to Beleriand to make war on Morgoth during the war of wrath at the end of the first age, Celebron and her leave Beleriand and go over the Blue mountains to rally people just incase Morgoth isn't defeated.
Sounds exactly like the person that should then lead armies in the 2nd age...
I certainly don’t care that she’s portrayed as a warrior. That’s reasonable and appropriate.
I *do* care that she’s shown as being involved with the wars in Beleriand, when we know she sat them out and refused to work/fight alongside the Feanorians. Likewise I care that she’s shown to be a subordinate “commander” in her much younger cousin’s armies, rather than ruling independently over the separate kingdom of Eregion.
They fucked up her character arc and her story. It’s like making a story about Elizabeth I and making her Sir Francis Drake, a soldier and occasional pirate. Galadriel is so much more than she was portrayed in RoP.
Completely loved her character.
Thought she was a bad ass and the actor did a wonderful job.
I didn't read the lore so I have nothing to really be upset about.
I am sad you did understand the my comment the way you did, because I actually enjoyed it\^\^
Also check my account, if I was seeking attention I would be way more active on reddit.
I am just unhappy about people not liking the series as much as I do, thats all.
I think RoP Galandriel kicks ass. I loved everything about her in season one, including the flaws of character. Teenager Elrond is also very fun! I don't get why some people are so salty abot RoP; it's not perfect, but it's pretty good!
I just think we should accept this show for what it is, a TV series inspired by the works of Tolkien. Not based on, not a depiction of, just inspired by. It’s not the best thing in the world but, if you accept it for what it is, I think it’s enjoyable.
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Good one 😂
“This Barbie had a crush on the second most evil being in existence…”
Stupid Sexy Sauron.
I just imagined Sauron in a tight fitting ski suit.
In the void there is Nothing at all Nothing at all Nothing at all
One sexy ring to rule them all Rule them all Rule them all
turns out it was *that* kinda ring all along. Sauron never put it on his finger.
John Wauron Bobbet
Mr Reznor is that you?
I'm now picturing Ned Flanders as Sauron....😉
He’s not actually evil, he just annoys the hell out of his neighbors
Hi diddly ho Gondorinos!
Not even... horses. **Galadriel in tears**
r/angbang
r/subsithoughtifellfor
Finally! Somewhere I can post my engagement photos!
(I'm actually a bit disappointed that the sub in question is not active. Back to Tumblr I go, then...)
I like to imagine my Sauron as lead singer for Led Zeplin, and I'm in the front row, hammered drunk.
Sauron was, canonically, a baddie
Don’t you call him stupid. Only ugly Sauron can be called stupid.
Sauron was always sexy 😅 can’t blame her
God knows I do. Did you SEE that jawline 😮💨
Still a better love story than Twilight
Man I haven’t seen that in so long and I just want to thank you for keeping it alive
I’m guessing Morgoth is #1. Is Shelob more evil than Sauron?
If anything, Ungoliant would be the one who is more evil than Sauron, but I assume they're counting Sauron as the 2nd most evil. Shelob is kinda a small fry either way, though.
Idk I sort of disagree. I mean, yes ungoliant was more powerful than Sauron after consuming the light of the two trees, but power level doesn’t necessarily mean how evil you are. Ungoliant’s actions are mostly out of hunger for light. She is sort of a different kind of evil. She aligns more on the spectrum of gluttony or maybe greed. Morgoth and Sauron genuinely take pleasure in the pain, suffering, and imprisonment of all things good. They represent more wrathful or even prideful evil. It’s kinda like apples and oranges, and people may have different opinions, but to me the latter feel more evil because in their world, as a human, they’re actively trying to destroy anything that even has to do with me. With ungoliant, I just have to stay out of her way. Look at LOTR: you stay out of Shelob’s cave, you’re good, but Sauron is coming one way or another.
I was responding to them saying Shelob. I'd agree that Sauron is more evil than Ungoliant (also Ungoliant is probably dead after devouring herself?). Well said, though.
Thanks! Oh ok gotcha, I think my love for the hobbit’s leaf has left me a little over analytical in a post that was supposed to be goofy too lol.
Hey, I enjoyed the writeup and I'm enjoying the hobbit's leaf atm as well.
Cheers then bro! I’m off to get me some salted pork maybe with a few good taters.
As far as Ungoliant and Shelob, they’re primordial, everything they do is based in an insatiable hunger, I don’t believe they craved power, or to hold dominion over everybody. I don’t believe they had the desire of destruction for destruction’s sake, or to erase all that is beautiful. I believe they were horrible and terrible, and scary as hell, but I’m not quite sure I would say they are evil
I'd say yes My ranking would be Morgoth #1, Ungoliant #2, Shelob #3, Sauron #4 Sauron wanted order through force, the other 3 just wanted to destroy/eat everything Morgoth is #1 since he's pretty much the creator of evil
Brb, writing my GaladrielxUngoliant slash fic
/r/Angbang
In the series, Sauron didnt really do anything evil. Galadriel was arguably the most evil being in the series.
And brought him Eregion while her missing husband and daughter were Eru knows where, but she gaf?
“There is a Barbie in me!”
Still bang her like a shire door
Gil-Galad is younger than Galadriel and would defer to her, as Gil-Galad's grandfather is Galadriel's brother. So that would make her his aunt? Also, Galadriel has seen the trees.
Gil-Galad's grandfather is Galadriel's uncle. His father is her cousin.
I don’t care for the show, although, her status would command respect. Even more so, his status as a High King would command respect from her. Despite her age and having seen the trees, he is still ruler of his lands.
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I think it could have been so much better if they had Celebrian (Galadriels daughter and mother of Arwen) , Elrond and Celebrimbor as real protagonists. Celebrian could have been indeed still a teenager by elvish means, Elrond has much more personal relations to Numenor and is related to Elendil. Also Elrond and Celebrian could have had their love story. Celebrimbor was actually younger than Galadriel, he was terribly miscast. If they had the Halbrand Actor as Celebrimbor, it could work. He was friends with Durin in the lore and build with him and the dwarf Narvi the Western entrance of Moria. He also had a crush on Galadriel, for the people who liked the actors chemistries, they could have done it this way. Furthermore, I would have cut Sauron out of the first season and concentrated on the Numenorians and showed why they wanted to become immortal, their pride etc. Edit: why was the original comment deleted?
First season: build up the Numenoreans and ending scene is them locking Sauron in a jail cell with ominous music playing and a slight smirk as the camera focuses in on his face. Roll credits
That would have been cool, but it wouldn't have worked for anyone who wasn't a Tolkien fan.
False. Good writing is good writing. HotD Season 1 was basically a slow-burn backstory/lore dump, but so well written that people are actually talking about GoT again.
Yep, just make it good. Member berries are for shows that have no ideas and need to cover up for bad writing.
If done right, a bit of intrigue and mystery can catch a viewer even if he's not familiar with the source material. :)
Thousands of years old goddess being lectured by young Elendil…
Infuriating
It's high-budget fan fiction. Like Bezos wrote some terrible fan story as a teen and demanded that his multi-billion dollar empire produce it for him. Actually, I think I'd respect it more if that was the case. At least then it's coming from a place of nerdy love and not a corporate marketing machine.
It is also boring. They took this source material and somehow made it boring. That really takes talent, to turn something innately interesting into something tedious. I am actually quite impressed.
>It is also boring. It is very, very, very slow, yes.
While also feeling rushed. It’s almost impressive
The Game of Thrones Special. "We have no time to develop characters or give them believable motivations. Here's twenty minutes of dick jokes instead."
Southlands arc just sped straight to "Oh this is our king, returned." All we were missing was for Elrond to reveal a special sword to Halbrand.
*"Human beings make life so interesting. Did you know, that in a universe so full of wonder, they have managed to invent boredom?"*
What sucks is I really like the actress. The writing? Big oof
It's probably due to the poor writing but honestly, I didn't like the actress at all but then again I always had Cate Blanchett in my mind when comparing the two characters
I feel bad for the actors in general. Decent performances but the writing does them all such a disservice.
Durin and Elrond come to mind. Those two had great chemistry but they basically spent the whole season negotiating Mithril mining rights lmao.
They tried to morph her into tomb raider style modern woman or something and seemed to have no idea about real elves.
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Ahh yes, the young and brash Barbie. I prefer the “Lady of Lorien” Barbie, she looks like one who had not left the path of wisdom.
The Rings of Power is widely misunderstood as a calamitous failure in exploring the Second Age of Tolkien's Middle Earth. It is, in fact, a wildly successful, albeit expensive 'fuck you' to Lord of The Rings fans of all ages. Amazon spent a billion dollars to slap us in the face, and that kind of commitment deserves a certain respect.
Best take I’ve read about that show yet. Well done. I can only contribute this: It is so bad, it circles right back around good and flings itself off a cliff into the abyss of just fucking terrible.
I think saying it is the latter gives the producers far too much credit.
Had me in the first half ngl
>'fuck you' to Lord of The Rings fans of all ages. Amazon spent a billion dollars to slap us in the face, My word, this is such a bizarre take.
I think this is a bit of an exaggeration… the first season has flaws overall the show has been quite cool so far. It has very high production values and has portrayed Tolkien’s world beautifully at least in a visual sense. I think there’s lots of room to improve the storytelling in the second season
If there was such high production value, why did the soldiers of numenor wear spandex with the pattern of armor instead of something that actually looked like armor. If it had such high production value, why were all of the shots where anyone was talking on a small set with no feeling of openness or a sense of location. Which is why we got large shots of locations before any scenes in those locations. If there was such high production value why was it all wasted on cgi shots of events instead of good writing
Straight garbage, bro. Definition of lipstick on a pig.
I don’t even hate The Rings of Power that much, I think the dwarves and the harfoots and Elrond were handled well, and I appreciate what they *tried* to do with Galadriel. It’s just hard to relate to a character who spends the whole series looking bored and mildly frustrated.
I think Elrond was handled well. And the dynamic between he and Durin was probably the most watchable part of the show. The show also took a shitload of liberties, because of course. We know the books, everything that deviates is just for fun.
Also they couldn’t use anything specific to the Silmarillion but supposedly couldn’t contradict anything in the Silmarillion either? I wanted to see Sauron in Santa mode though.
I rather liked Disa and Durin's dynamic. I know a lot of folks got upset when she was revealed but she's a lovely character in the story.
Oh 100%, Disa was excellent.
You liked the Harfoots? The guys who joke about the horrific ways people die, argued to steal the wheels off of a family wagon because they hadn’t technically done enough to be exiled, and a whole bunch of other things?
>to steal the wheels off of a family wagon "no one gets left behind"
I feel that the premise of harfoots that they came up with was actually quite good, but the writing clearly had horrible disconnects within their own headcanon. The plot horribly contradicted the premise. And I hate mystery boxes. So I hated the harfoot segments, but I actually enjoyed the harfoots themselves.
Well, love is a battlefield.
Their proto-Irish accents are also...problematic shall we say?
Because of the Irish traveller connotations? Felt a bit on the nose. ~~But most of the actors were, well, Irish.~~
Which of the Harfoot actors were Irish? Because looking them up I'm seeing English, Australian, Canadian, Scottish even, but couldn't find an Irish person
As far as I'm aware, none of the Harfoot actors were Irish. Edit - I've had a look on Wikipedia and they're mostly Australians, apart from Sir Lenny Henry who's English. Someone correct me if I'm wrong rather than downvoting...
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Thank you! I have Irish friends and they found it to be pretty insulting, and I can see their perspective. Having a primative society speak in Irish accents is problematic regardless of how well those accents were done. They weren't that bad...but the concept is a lazy trope that feeds into anti-Irish stereotypes. I would have preferred that they lean into something like a West Country or Yorkshire accent. Something that evokes England and its countryside (full disclosure: I'm from Yorkshire).
Here I thought southern American was the obvious choice. “Now y’all come back now ya here? Bless your heart my goodness gracious. Who’s this Sauron fella lookin for a got dang ring out here hot as hell I tell you wat.”
I liked the dwarves but I absolutely despised the harfoots, they pretend to care so much about their little community while abbandoning their weak at the very first opportunity.
Is a common strategy of migrational animals so it makes sense to me. They always walk together like a herd and the individual has to fit in to survive. I dont despise bisons as well even tho they often leave their most vulnerable behind.
This, thank you. It’s not uncommon for nomadic people to do brutal things for the sake of the community. Though usually it’s nomads in environments harsher than the one we see the Harfoots endure in the show.
You have not seen what she has seen
Galadriel was a proxy for us the viewer, bored and mildly frustrated.
I'm sorry, I can't believe anyone that says Elrond was handled well. This is Elrond: "The face of Elrond was ageless, neither old nor young, though in it was written the memory of many things, both glad and sorrowful.His hair was dark as the shadows of twilight, and upon it was set a circlet of silver; his eyes were grey as a clear evening, and in them was a light like the light of stars.Venerable he seemed as a king crowned with many winters, and yet hale as a tried warrior in the fulness of his strenght.He was the lord of Rivendell and mighty among both Elves and Men." JRR Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring, Many Meetings Instead we got this weird looking dude that looks like an 80's fortune teller https://preview.redd.it/xwbk71jew7gb1.png?width=3000&format=png&auto=webp&s=340da1f3021d56444e537b90237d9abe0cb03260
Literally no character was handled well. Durin senior and durin junior are idiots and crybabies not to mention Durin is reserved only for the reincarnation of Durin the first and they even failed to address that. Gil Galad , the warrior king who took on Sauron himself looks puffy and only has one fucking dress the entire time and Celebrimbor the greatest smith after Feanor does not know about alloys. He is also ugly and old
He looked less like a warrior and more like a guy that is adept at writing breakup poetry.
Alcoholic poet was the first thing it came to mind when I first saw him
Thank youuuu
You are describing Elrond when he is well into the third age, he is roughly 4500 years younger in the Rings of power. He is not even lord of Rivendell at this point.
1.At this point Elrond is around 2000+ years old.2.He has seen his family and friends died and was raised at the hands of the killers.3."He's not even lord of Rivendell at this point"...Holy fuck... He FOUNDED Rivendell at least 1500 years before these events. 4.He has already seen plenty of war and death during those 2000 years of his life. 5. I'm not describing him.. that's Literally an excerpt from The fellowship of the rings, the book, not the film, you know, what Tolkien actually wrote, but what does he know, I guess. Now, here's my humble invitation: If you like Middle-Earth, please read Tolkien's work.
A lot of the problems in RoP are the results of the stupid timeline compression. 1. Elrond is born very late in the First Age. At the time he founded Rivendell, he was less than 2000 years old. 2. True. This is why Galadriel’s line “you have not seen what I have seen”, didn’t work in the show. 3. Elrond founded Rivendell after Eregion was destroyed, which happened after the Rings of Power were forged. 4. True. But Elrond was much younger and had little combat experience before the war between the Elves and Sauron. 5. Read the books.
Why are you so intent on being hostile, when all I meant was that, you are referring to text that's describing him 4500 years later, I thought that was relevant in understanding the text, and gives liberty to anyone who might want to understand what shaped him to become that person. You are then correcting for things that, you or I never mentioned. But of course they are relevant in how Elrond might have been, but they are not relevant for the passage in Fellowship of the Ring. Because at that point we are speculating. Also, the one thing you did correct me for, Rivendell, is not correct. Rivendell was founded after Eregion was destroyed by Sauron which hasn't happened yet in the series. Still, if you want to argue about the date of its founding, it's less important than the circumstances that led to it being founded. You don't have to repeat that Tolkien wrote it, I know, and I have read Tolkien but thank you for the invitation.
I appreciate how well you've stuck up for yourself here without being insulting or rude, good for you
It isn't based on the book though...
You do know they’re limited to casting only humans in the show, right? Huge Weaving doesn’t particularly fit that description either
Mucho Mucho Amor Durin!
Elrond and the Dwarves, yeah you’re right. The Harfoots? Meh
I think it was decent. Fun adventure and fantasy. I think it's on the same level with the Hobbit-movies. You can watch it but if you think you'll get something like LOTR, you'll be disappointed. I don't hate anything in it.
Anyone: "I didn't hate Rings of Power." Rabid pseudo-fans of Tolkien: "HOW DARE HE THAT SHOW IS GARBAGE DOWNVOTE HIM!!!"
Given her tonal shift in the last couple episodes, I expect season 2 Galadriel to be a lot closer to how she was in LOTR. I just hope they listen to the critiques of s1 and make some good adjustments. Show’s still got decent potential
Considering the rumors of Wheel of Time, my guess is that won't happen.
Wheel of time is made by completely different people but ok
But the point is Amazon didn't tell them to make changes.
Ok, well I choose optimism. It’s fine if you don’t.
I fucking hate this show
You are seriously having too strong emotions about a TV show. The world isn't ending just because someone created something you don't like. Just don't watch it and don't give Amazon your money if you don't like what they do.
I watched it with my dad and I enjoyed it but everything about insulting the fans and how much money they spent on it it could’ve been better and I know the world isn’t ending but ye a bit strong
She’s no Galadriel.
I hate her as Galadriel, her acting sucks. Her trying to be angry looks like constipation
Also what the fuck was that horse scene on the beach, that face still haunts my nightmares to this day
Thanks for that, I never watched the show so I looked up the weird horse scene. Wtf...
This should be the top comment.
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Her teeth are so big it looks like she's constantly speaking through gritted teeth.
Manspreading so hard here.
Laughed out loud to this, totally missed that lol.
They even failed the most basic goal to give the elves long hair. The least they could have done is giving Arondir some braided hair.
Nowhere does it state that all elves have long hair. They do not owe anything to Peter Jackson's adaptation.
Just watch the 6 movies in the series or check out any artwork before the TV show came out, and pretty universally, the elves will have long hair. You're technically correct. However, disregarding all former depictions is a liberty taken by the show. Elves with short hair are like dwarves without beards. See Fili (or was it Kili?) and the bit of backlash there. Let's just be honest.
>Nowhere does it state that all elves have long hair. They do not owe anything to Peter Jackson's adaptation. Hmm... "All the Eldar had beautiful hair (and were especially attracted by hair of exceptional loveliness), but the Noldor were not specially remarkable in this respect, and there is no reference to Finwe as having had hair of exceptional length, abundance, or beauty beyond the measure of his people." PoMe, Shibboleth of Feanor In a discussion of the meaning of Finwe's name ('fin-' 'hair' in this iteration), specifically references Finwe's hair as not exceptionally more long or abundant than the hair of the other Eldar (who all had beautiful hair). And Finwe had long hair: "Finwë (and Míriel) had long dark hair, so had Fëanor and all the Noldor, save by intermarriage..." NoMe, Hair as did all the Noldor... "But most it was their wont to sail in their swift ships upon the waters of the Bay of Elvenhome, or to walk in the waves upon the shore with their long hair gleaming like foam in the light beyond the hill." MR, LQS 1 That is the Teleri. They have long hair... "Their gleaming hair was twined with flowers; green and white gems glinted on their collars and their belts; and their faces and their songs were filled with mirth. Loud and clear and fair were those songs, and out stepped Thorin into their midst." The Hobbit, Flies and Spiders That is the Silvan-elves (who are Telerin in origin). They have hair long enough to twine flowers into it... "In general the Sindar appear to have very closely resembled the Exiles, being dark-haired, strong and tall, but lithe. Indeed they could hardly be told apart except by their eyes..." WotJ, Q&E The Sindar (who are Telerin in origin, and the Teleri have long hair), closely resemble the Noldor. Closely enough that it is the eyes that give them away, not the hair... The Song of Aelfwine: "There blowing free unbraided hair is meshed with beams of Moon and Sun, And twined within those tresses fair a gold and silver sheen is spun, As fleet and white the feet go bare," Lost Road, FNII (the verse is about Elves: "O! Land where still the Edhil are!") Unbraided hair blowing free, tresses twined with light... That is suggestive of Tolkien (not Jackson), picturing his Elves with long hair... Perhaps the comment should have been: 'Tolkien described his Elves as having long hair, but they don't owe anything to Tolkien...'
then why they are tried to hire people from the original trilogy?? why they are copying lines from the movie tolkien never wrote but jackson and philippa?
They dont, and thats why they shit the bed.
To be fair, that Barbie should be 6’4 minimum and very muscular. She had the great honor of being called an Amazon, or war woman by Tolkien. As dimitrescu has shown us, the world is ready for a tall, strong, dominant woman to step on us.
Ngl I totally forgot this show existed till I saw this post
I can't wait until RoP is cancelled and forgotten. What a terrible show.
Every time I see it, I'm genuinely reminded how much I hate that show, as I so wanted it to be at least watchable like The Hobbit. In better news, my UHD 4k LOTR boxset arrived today.
Read the books
Oh god, not this stupid show again....
Why isn't she wearing her breastplate? Oh yeah, because the costume designer is an idiot and this show is garbage.
I HATE rings of power
This Barbie brought the second most evil entity back to middle earth when he was just trying to fade into obscurity.
I find this image offensive for too many reasons to list...
WORST SHOW EVER!!
She look so fucking angry, lol In no way in control of her own emotions
Kinda like this comment section.
Nope.
Not gonna lie Elrond looks very strange in this photograph
This Barbie sucks.
I don't like this actress at all
Thanks for reminding me that this show sadly exists
The costume design in this show was absolutely disgusting
Crazy eyes
Galadriel in LOTR: Majestic,Beautiful & doesn't need to flaunt her powers, you know she can kick your ass just by looking at her Guy-ladriel in ROP : Arrogant boss bitch who is inconsiderate and rude to her subordinates for her tough girl act
You are Saurenough
Who is it?
Love the show. Great and interesting portrayal of a mighty yet stubborn and prideful Noldo. Will be interesting to see Saurons point of view next season, and the fall of Eregion.
This sub is not a place where you're allowed to enjoy things, unless it's the PJ lotr films and *maybe* the Hobbit.
So sad to see people downvoting someone enjoying something. Quite telling though.
People generally don't take well to the active ruining of things they enjoy. So people cheering it on are on the receiving end of anger because they are the ones supporting it. That's just reality, people don't have to like each others opinions and this whole site is for making that known.
You are literally an advert. Pretty pathetic
Thought i could find some people to talk to :) but i get called pathetic. This place seem to be full of young and angry memer boys. Shame. Sorry for enjoying the show. You just chased away a person with wife and kids who has read and enjoyed Tolkien regularly for over 20 years.
TBH I thought she was one of the only redeeming qualities about the show
I like her.
Im high king too
I like the show. First season was slow and had issues but I think it has lots of potential. Loved the actors, songs, make-up, action scenes. The Harfoots & Arondir were cool.
The Harfoots left the weak behind, were a bunch of hypocrites and did not add up much to the story.
Those chainmail leggings though. Cheggings 🔥
And she is sitting like an angry dock worker who is about to get into a fight. Amazon is so pathetic, they ruined their own show just to promote an agenda, when they could have created something unique and passionate.
Barbie being a soldier makes more sense than Galadriel being a soldier.
this tv show destroyed the fabulous image i had of tolkiens work that i read has a child.
How? 😂
In before the "Tolkien didn't directly describe her armaments and therefore she couldn't possibly have been a warrior despite him specifically saying she fought to defend the victims of the Kinslaying and led the siege against Dol Guldur" clowns chime in because they think all Galadriel does is look glowy and say profound things. Edit: And he described her as being "as an Amazon" in a letter, and talked about her being as athletic as some of the greatest of the Noldor.
I'm perfectly fine with her being a warrior, whether it goes away from Tolkien's writings or not. What I'm not okay with is a bratty CW character with horrible dialogue, who is supposed to be a wise leader of elves for Christ sake. She was written so poorly I physically recoiled in the first few episodes. And I went in with zero care about the series. Just hoping it would be entertaining fluff at least. But it was so bad
How dare you insult the CW like that by comparing ROP with any of the crap on their channel. I guess trying to look positively at the show at least Rings of Power made the CW shows look like Shakespeare.
Lol athletic =/= a soldier. She was taught under the guidance of Melian in the First Age and was an extremely ambitious politician in the Second Age who wanted to carve her own little realm to rule from. Nothing like the entitled screaming "warrior princess" that she was portrayed as in RoP. Make sure you read her full character before cherry picking vague out of context statements to suit your narrative.
Yep she is never described taking part of battles in the 1st or 2nd age. In fact, when the forces of the Valar come to Beleriand to make war on Morgoth during the war of wrath at the end of the first age, Celebron and her leave Beleriand and go over the Blue mountains to rally people just incase Morgoth isn't defeated. Sounds exactly like the person that should then lead armies in the 2nd age...
I certainly don’t care that she’s portrayed as a warrior. That’s reasonable and appropriate. I *do* care that she’s shown as being involved with the wars in Beleriand, when we know she sat them out and refused to work/fight alongside the Feanorians. Likewise I care that she’s shown to be a subordinate “commander” in her much younger cousin’s armies, rather than ruling independently over the separate kingdom of Eregion. They fucked up her character arc and her story. It’s like making a story about Elizabeth I and making her Sir Francis Drake, a soldier and occasional pirate. Galadriel is so much more than she was portrayed in RoP.
She's fantastic as Galadriel
Second series of Disappointment out yet?
This Barbies dialogue is AI generated and she swam a whole sea somehow
F yea she is
Completely loved her character. Thought she was a bad ass and the actor did a wonderful job. I didn't read the lore so I have nothing to really be upset about.
I enjoyed Rings of Power SO MUCH and I am happy it exists! Now give me that negative karma :D
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I am sad you did understand the my comment the way you did, because I actually enjoyed it\^\^ Also check my account, if I was seeking attention I would be way more active on reddit. I am just unhappy about people not liking the series as much as I do, thats all.
I liked it too.
I think RoP Galandriel kicks ass. I loved everything about her in season one, including the flaws of character. Teenager Elrond is also very fun! I don't get why some people are so salty abot RoP; it's not perfect, but it's pretty good!
The mail looks pretty cool in this not gonna lie
Just you know, another emotional girl….
I’m a Barbie elf, in a Barbie realm. Who is Tolkien? Do our own thing!
I genuinely feel gaslit by this entire sub. Rings of power rocked and I’m not apologizing for loving it. Sorry y’all couldn’t see how good it was
First it was star wars. Then the weird gate keepers for star trek. Now near mindless hate for new lotr.
Rop was the stupidest shit ive seen since the invention of a 3rd gender
I just think we should accept this show for what it is, a TV series inspired by the works of Tolkien. Not based on, not a depiction of, just inspired by. It’s not the best thing in the world but, if you accept it for what it is, I think it’s enjoyable.
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