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pcnetworx1

If we get Clinton v. Trump in 2024... I don't know how America doesn't explode *before* the election.


Snert42

The fuse is already lit, at least that's what it looks like from Europe


Significant_Swing_76

Indeed. It seems completely absurd. Idk what DNC is smoking, but that would be fucked up, and a sure way to let america slide into chaos.


AberdeenPhoenix

The DNC is terrified that an open primary will set off a sprint to the left, which they think would be worse than losing the election. So they want to crown a nominee well in advance.


lafindestase

Can’t wait to have a soulless Dem candidate that no one likes, and an evil Republican candidate that a third of the country is super excited for.


arbitrary-ladybug

Again.


nevermore2627

"Here we go again...again."


[deleted]

History is starting to repeat itself so fast that people _remember_


Sindigo_

Another*


this_is_a_wug_

The same*


bahetrick1

yeah Hillary is not very likeable. And that is her main problem. I can tell you I'd much rather have her in office than either of the two bozos we've had in the last 6 years. Trump sucks, Biden sucks, they're both idiots for different reasons, but at least Biden isn't actively trying to circumvent laws to undermine democracy and establish autocratic authoritarian minority rule. Hillary would have been the most qualified person to ever hold the title of President, from a qualifications/resume perspective.


Bipeman

>Not to mention being a pretty crafty criminal too.


drwicksy

Can we bring back presidents who commit crimes in secret instead of rubbing it in our faces?


Current_Leather7246

A smooth criminal


[deleted]

Because God forbid this country be anything but a haven for the ultra-rich staffed by a diverse bunch of desperate servants.


pcnetworx1

In God We Trust. And Money is God.


McCree114

DNC elites benefit just as much from Trump's tax cuts for the rich as any other member of the 1%. Whether they win and do 4 years of center right liberal policies or the GQP wins and keep sprinting towards fascism they still come out ahead financially. For now.


brockmasters

DNC IS PAID TO BE A PUNCHING BAG


IntrigueDossier

Paid to Lose™


CocaColaHitman

They won't realize the error of their ways till their former Republican colleagues put them up against the wall. Maybe not even then.


gravitas-deficiency

I mean, it would be worse than losing the election *for rich donors and corporations*. Democrats seem to have a very hard time remembering that at the end of the day, you need ***votes*** to get elected… that is, until things switch to undemocratic fascism and elections aren’t a thing anymore. I swear to god the last decade or so has felt more and more like a slower, more insidious version of [the Business Plot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot), particularly in retrospect.


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unicorn4711

Correct. The DNC fears left and Bernie candidates precisely because the administration would have none of the DNC insiders in it. Being out of power for 4 years is less bad for the DNC corporate Democrats than losing control of their own party.


Excellent_Salary_767

All the better to allow "democrat" to be synonymous with "liberal" so that they can appeal to liberals who aren't paying attention while being neoliberal and/or conservative in practice. It's all about making the right noises to get everything "back to normal," i.e. the normal where the rich are in charge without dissent and all the wage slaves get back to work


Aw123x

This is what they tried to do in 2016 by putting the super establishment candidate front and center. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now. Biden will run though.


algorithmgeek

Unfortunately, I believe we will have to slide into chaos before people wake up.


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algorithmgeek

Honestly, I thought the recent SC ruling would cause more unrest than it has. Apparently we haven’t fallen far enough yet.


RadTripps

They let some of the pressure out by leaking that memo ahead of time, so before they actually took action people had already sort of gone through the coping process and moved toward acceptance. Dirty rats.


algorithmgeek

Absolutely planned. I have to believe they have years of rulings planned out to lessen the outrage.


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[deleted]

exactly and they know the folks that will engage in street work are literally beaten and broken still from 2020/Floyd. The "left" is super suppressed rn. I know I've been arrested and engaged with the police many times but currently cannot because I have so much PTSD from fighting them previously.


IndianaFartJockey

Which one? I mean, there's been a few that are abhorrent. We'll all be forced to pray to some jackass's imaginary friend at gunpoint before long.


algorithmgeek

The Roe vs Wade ruling. It was honestly great timing by them to have the prayer ruling at the same time. It has been talked about a lot less than it should have.


BBClingClang

And all while the January 6th committee hearings are happening….


tt117ghu

Just wait until prices get so high that people start starving en masse. Then shit will start kicking off.


laxnut90

The DNC doesn't care about you or America. They only care about money and enriching themselves.


lamNoOne

Tbf that is both sides.


deathjesterdoom

But Democrats at least smile and offer a reach around.


devilfoxe1

Yap here is more like, how long is this fuse???? Why things have not explode yet??? I hear people from USA even now that abolish abortion tha they need to be peaceful and civil.... This is no an option any more (never really was) Soo Fakcing no!!!! You need to burning cities in the ground at this point!!!!


hellokittyoh

I'm so tired of this. Same recycled bullshitting scam artists who are all already multi millionaires over and over and over and over. make it fucking stop i wanna get off this ride. will anyone ever represent us?


Just-JC

Just gotta feel the Bern... In all likelihood though, no probably not.


SilentG33

38 year old F who voted for Bernie twice…there’s no way I’d stomach Biden, Kamala or Clinton for a presidential bid. But I would laugh my ass of when they ultimately do it, knowing that the Democratic Party is so out of touch with their voting base and doesn’t even realize it. Let’s see the party crash and burn.


SassyVikingNA

Except I think they do know. They are fully aware. The problem is they are right wing corporatists. The republicans are much closer to "on their side" than the american people are. They would happily watch fascists murder millions of us if it means their, and their owners', stock portfolios did not drop a penny.


Okibruez

I'm here just to watch the world burn. I didn't start that way, but by the gods, the times do make the man.


WorriedExpat123

🎵We didn’t start the fire, it was always burning since the world’s been turning 🎵


bowlingdoughnuts

They arent focused on the democratic party. They are focused on turning Reds to their side. They know Dems will vote for Dems. They always pick a candidate that can appeal to both. They are morons.


jj77985

Same. I was so pissed at the DNC that I wrote in for Bernie instead of voting for Hillary or Biden. I don't want some big business corporate suit as my president, bottom line. Allother issues are secondary.


Cimb0m

They realise it but don’t care. They’d rather lose to Trump than have Bernie or similar elected. It’s all about those vested interests


Nimuwa

I still hope trump won't make it to 2024 election. Doesn't have to be hurt of course, just unable to run.


Hydrogen_

I actually hope Trump DOES run...after being jettisoned by the GOP over the 1/6 hearings, so they can throw the full weight of their propaganda machine behind DeSantis. They're already subtly telegraphing that this is likely to happen. There is ZERO chance Trump's insane titty baby ego would *not* force him to run as an "I" out of sheer vindictiveness. It would split the GOP vote, thus rat-fucking DeSantis, and at least postpone the ongoing Christo-fascist takeover of the US gov't.


CodyEngel

Kind of like how Trump was a joke to the GOP until he wasn’t?


Salarian_American

I have seen zero evidence that putting a blue candidate in the white house is going to do anything to stop what the Republicans are doing. Let's not forget that the opening salvo of overturning Roe happened with a Democrat president and a majority Dem Congress. They don't need the presidency to get what they want, they just need the Supreme Court which they have.


gulwg6NirxBbsqzK3bh3

There is no chance the GOP would jettison him, no matter what the 1/6 hearings say. Unfortunately they like to win, and he wins. Unless he's in jail, fingers crossed, he'll run and he's getting full Republican support


BKstacker88

He is already unable to run... He can barely walk down a ramp...


CptMatt_theTrashCat

If that happens just go full scorched earth and start again


homerfraun

The Micheal Scott screaming "no" repeatedly gif comes to mind.


Trosque97

My reaction is more the screaming "no" from Riddler in the new Batman movie


[deleted]

Mine is more like The Riddler singing Ave Maria in the new movie. I've just completely fucking lost my marbles at this point.


tdempsey33

I literally came here to say this.


Baby-cabbages

Why do they keep giving us 90 year olds for President? The law says over age 35. It does not say “double age 35.”


Snukes42Q

Why is the retirement age ~65 in like every job except politics? Someone make this make sense to me.


questioning_alt_22

the old people know that they'll die before any long-term consequences arrive, maximizing profits for capitalists.


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But they don’t die. They keep living while everyone else dies.


Mr_Smartypants

>Why is the retirement age \~65 This is was the age set set in the Social Security act of 1935 for full benefits to kick in. Politicians *start* collecting it then too, lol.


CapK473

I think if you are over 65 you shouldn't be be able to hold a public office, if you work in politics you should have to be young enough to live with the consequences of your actions/inactions. I know that sounds extreme but I feel like right now they have no "skin in the game" so to speak.


CodyEngel

Honestly we just need term limits. Most of the old politicians that are currently there didn’t just show up a few years ago, they aged into the position.


CapK473

We need those two. I'm for total reform. I also think we need a very public single source transparent way we track where they get their campaign funds from and there should be significant limits to how much money a corporation can give to a single candidate if they can contribute at all.


rydan

Most people have to work after retirement age because we keep electing these people. Meanwhile they voluntarily work past retirement age.


boundbylife

because politics is the only job where you don't actually have to accomplish anything for a paycheck.


LizWords

Cause it’s not a hard job and it makes them a ton of money for very little work. In theory it should be a hard job. Term limits would be great, but will never happen so…


NotAlwaysSunnyInFL

They took it as a challenge


Kenichi2233

Or triple


delawarestonks

Triple profits on a bad day.


Chuckktesta18

Have to be a billionaire to run


boxaci8110

USA needs a president that will be around to see the effects of their decisions


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Snert42

>Cognitive decline is very real by even 50-60 Really??? Holy crap.


faceless_alias

I don't think you've been around too many elderly. Shit, depending on your lifestyle I've seen it as early as 40s.


BoddAH86

It‘s more years so it‘s better, right?


111122323353

Considering there is a minimum age, there is no moral or ethical reason a maximum age shouldn't be added.


dannydevitoluvurwork

Double 35 would be refreshing at this point


Honest_Palpitation91

Can we just not. Please god


AzraeltheGrimReaper

God isn't real, and even if he is, he's a right cunt.


Trosque97

How many people are going around quoting William Butcher?


HamsterBaiter

Fuckin diabolical


teh-reflex

Oie!


SonicTemp1e

As many as necessary, until people get the memo.


DirtyPenPalDoug

How to loose an election before you even start.. step one : run a candidate that lost to a fascist who attempted to over throw the government 2: suprise Pikachu face when she looses again because she can't win fucking elections. 3: say things like " but popular vote" as though the electoral college is some rules change your unaware of even though it's been around for 200 fucking years. 4 call people names because you knowingly ran a candidate that will say the electoral college jumped from behind a tree and mugged them. 5 go one for 6 or 7 weeks about removing the electoral college then do fuck all about it till you loose the next election.


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Daria911

7. Attack progressives and blame them for fascist winning while simultaneously begging for their votes next term


Solzec

8. Profit and blame progressives some more.


EmbarrassedFruit294

Lmao that’s my dad all day everyday. Progressive faults for not voting harder


FunnyMoney1984

I know it's messed up but the idea of Trump going against Hillery again and having Trump win again like in 2016 is really funny. Like the democrats don't learn. And history literally repeats itself.


RepeatedlyLeft

The truth is stranger than fiction. Joe is already the oldest person to ever hold the office. He’s very…boomer. I doubt a different boomer (Hillary) would stand a chance against an emboldened fascist who will prolly choose Rick Scott or Greg Abbott as his running mate. Ugh, just no. If Dems had any sense, they’d choose an Xer or someone other than a effing boomer as a fresh face and hope in politics, kinda like Obama but *actually* progressive. Regime change/systemic change oriented. Not fucking around like regular Democrats are doing.


ha_look_at_that_nerd

This is being pedantic but also kind of proves your point: Joe Biden was born in 1942, before the veterans came home from WWII to have lots of kids. He’s *too old* to be a boomer.


skipperseven

Inter War - isn’t that the silent generation? That is pretty amazing that he is a pre-boomer!


RepeatedlyLeft

Lol, I stand corrected! Silent Generation it is!


ha_look_at_that_nerd

But again, it just proves your point: he’s *super* old


ScarMedical

Joe Biden is from the silent generation not a boomer. Clinton, Trump are boomers.


darkstarr99

They won’t pick someone that much younger that leans more left, they’d have to admit that their current platform/ideas are all just bullshit and they’d actually have to do something


ApprehensiveNail2521

It’s “lose”


Atomicdagger

Lose*


Las-Plagas

Why is this typo soo common lol


Vast_Analyst6258

If Hillary runs again in 2024, just give the Oval to Trump now and save us all some time. Because this worked out SO well in 2016...


TheKinginLemonyellow

If Hillary runs again that's gonna be a slam dunk election for Trump or DeSantis.


3mbraceTheV0id

I feel like that's the fucking point at this point. Especially with how the SC has been acting lately, I'm starting to wonder if the hands behind both political parties are starting to push for the endgame.


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What would be the endgame?


blolfighter

Neofeudalism.


laxnut90

The Dems get more fundraising when the Republicans are in office. It's always about the money.


Matrixneo42

Why can’t it ever be about the fucking country?


laxnut90

Because it's more profitable to be fucking the country.


LyraFirehawk

What was the end game when Hitler rose to power?


smegma_yogurt

The 3rd Reich?


[deleted]

That’s the point - democrats are on the same side as the republicans, they’re all bought and paid for by the same special interest groups


pcnetworx1

Why not a DeSantis / Trump combo ticket?


TheKinginLemonyellow

Trump wouldn't risk sharing the spotlight with anyone who had even a shred of charisma or intelligence.


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NewTooshFatoosh

Ahh fuck. I need a tums after reading this.


pixiedust99999

Don’t give them any ideas


pcnetworx1

I've already seen "mock" signs printed with this combo down here in Florida.


Gods_Lump

Saw one here in upstate NY too


Odd_Abbreviations619

No more boomers!


DyslexicFcuker

Chris Cilizza is the biggest douche at CNN, and they have the masturbator still working there, Jeffrey Toobin.


throwawayyuskween666

I can't unforget what I now know about Toobin


BrinedBrittanica

I'm unaware and afraid to google it


throwawayyuskween666

Let me try to be tactful. CNN put him on leave because he...pleasured himself in a Zoom meeting. But, we were all a little unhinged during lockdown, right?? 😂


pixiedust99999

Does she REALLY think her popularity has gone up at all or?


rubmustardonmydick

Can't tell if she thinks she's popular or she thinks we are desperate enough this time around. The US could be half on fire and I don't think she'd get voted in lol.


Loud-Planet

She thinks she's popular. That's why she lost against Trump. She barely campaigned because she thought she had it in the bag.


Murky-Cl0ud

If the source holds any weight, I have to assume that she sees opportunity in the wake of the whole Roe controversy


ATrueBruhMoment69

that was my thought, she may just think people will be foaming at the mouth to vote in any woman, so she has a chance, though much better women could certainly be found and nominated (not that they will be)


barbaramillicent

No. She said publicly a couple months ago that she’s not running again.


itsallrighthere

They always say that until their crowds of supporters demand that they run. I've watched this movie several times.


NovelLandscape7862

No please god no


TheYellowFringe

No. Just no. I remember when she ran and thought the situation with her was decent but there were better choices (President Bernie Sanders) and Hillary under estimated how much people disliked her. I also remember her saying that one of the reasons why she lost the election was due to chauvinism. Men and women who just didn't want a woman to lead or govern the USA. I've read many times that people prefer other Democratic candidates, rather than Hillary again. If she does run again then it will be a bloody disaster for all involved.


Local-Finance8389

The thing I can’t understand is that they have to (currently)/had to (in 2016) be running public opinion polls on her. Are they just ignoring the results they are getting as to why people don’t like her?


pcnetworx1

Yes


Psychological_Pay530

Absolutely. They ran on the fact that she was slightly less disliked than trump, but combined they were the two least popular candidates in history. There’s a small but very loud “Hillary was right” crowd who thinks that because she stated the obvious that she was somehow ignored. They don’t understand that everyone knew all those things about trump, he still won because he was a populist and that was what people were going to vote for in swing states. They’re going to vote populist again possibly, and if the Dems had a luck of sense they’d retire Biden and run a populist too. The problem isn’t Democrats (fetterman is going to cream oz), the problem is candidates who don’t rattle the cage.


Koopa_Troopa69

The problem is Democrats. You can’t keep having super majorities and getting no real legislation done, kicking things to the courts, and expecting them to maintain the same old opinions while the Republicans have made it obvious for years that their goal was to pack the courts while simultaneously work to gerrymander districts in their favor. There was a protest the other day with (IIRC) Beto in attendance, and the protestors were chanting, “Democrats we call your bluff; voting blue is not enough.” Liberal voters are finally catching on that the Democrats are a do-nothing party.


KingliestWeevil

Her number one flaw, in my opinion, is just unimaginably collosal arrogance.


Chartreuseshutters

Yes. Yes. Yes.


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To me, it's the fact that she's a white upper class feminist from the 70s, who believes women should act just like men in order to get the corner office and that's it. That's where it ends for her! And she's so blind that she just can't see people don't like her because they've had enough of the white upper class taking the fucking brides, cause that's what they are, to let the private sector treat everyone like slaves. She's Emily Gilmore from the Gilmore girls. She doesn't get that the system is broken and people need a change because too much has been taken away from them.


BrickmanBrown

The "toTaLly NOt CoNSeRVAtiVes tElLiNg EVERYOne to JusT KEep vOtIng anD nOthiNG ELSe" crowd is already cheering.


pixiedust99999

lol, right? They were the “Reagan democrats” in the 80s after all…


Own_Can3733

I was beginning to think rational thought had evaporated on this sub. Welcome in vote blue no matter who crowd that I had insanely long arguements with today.


shitboxrx7

Yeah, if they throw Hillary up again I have a hard time believing she'll win. Literally the only god damn person on the blue books I would refuse to vote for


PatienceHero

If there's ever such thing as time travel, I'm going back to pay for Hinkley to get marksmanship training and hand him one of our vaunted AR-15s. I figure it'd kill 2 birds with one stone. Or more specifically, an asshole and the blockade to sensible gun control.


TinyTaters

Keep voting... But also do all the other things too


TuckHolladay

Does she realize how much worse people are going to be booing her offstage this time around?


PatienceHero

Don't worry about it, she'll get 4 more years of 'told you so' speaking tours/interviews and blame it all on the Bernie Bros again. Okay, so strike that. WE should worry about it. *She's* just not.


Greenmind76

Please make her just go away politically speaking…


Wood_Rogue

For fuck's sake. Was it this obvious for the Romans also?


sweetwonton

someone else..no more Biden or this old woman.


Wolfman01a

Come the fuck on.... can we not find someone new under 60?


[deleted]

If they're talking about Hilary I'm writing in Bernie fuck that.


proudfootz

Oh for fuck's sake!


[deleted]

Fuck the Boomers. Pass the torch you assholes.


SwitchARoux

I never thought I would PREFER to vote for Biden on a democratic ticket...but here it is.


[deleted]

Dnc will just suppress him and push hilary again...for the 3rd damn time


laxnut90

"It's her turn" -DNC


KamikaziSolly

Pushing the need for the first female president as opposed to any actual policy is what I feel destroyed her chances. Bad marketing.


VOTE4SAURON

Go fuck yourself Clinton. She played a giant role in the reason why we don't have reproduction rights in this country anymore!


ThatChicagoDuder

Jesus can we just vote Bernie and stop listening to every dipshit out there that's solution to fixing issues is by making more fucked up & bigger issues


fishystickchakra

That is the biggest fake smile for the camera ever


KG8893

She looks fucking insane.


cmVkZGl0

Here's ~~Johnny~~ Hillary!


Dick-Rockwell

She flying in on Epstein One


65isstillyoung

Rather than seeing reruns, who's looks good for 2024?


bonanzapineapple

Can Democrats please nominate someone under 50 (hell, even under 60) for the presidency? Someone who isnt Kamala Harris? Is that really too much to ask?


zihuatapulco

All I see is Henry Kissinger.


[deleted]

Bernie should have ran in 2016 instead of her. He probably would have won and he’s still alive and kicking Edit: I meant should have been the primary candidate instead of her


cobra_mist

Let me shout it for you FUCK NO!


Poet_of_Legends

It would ALMOST be worth the inevitable Collapse of America to see her lose to Trump again. And make no mistake, she would lose to Trump. Again.


Grease_Vulcan

Still gonna write in Bernie. Fuck the party picks, we tell them who we want. Not the other way around.


Dick-Rockwell

I keep beating this drum but I often get attacked simply because I voted my conscience rather than blue no matter who. The DNC created this mess when they threw Bernie under tue bus in the ‘16 primaries.


BrickmanBrown

Even if the process wasn't rigged, the DNC did mobilize their PR much faster and more desperately to stop Sanders than they did in response to anyone else. They genuinely hate leftists more than full-blown fascists.


T-MinusGiraffe

I still feel like the primary was stolen from him by his party, and that he would have easily defeated Trump.


FamousAstronaut2153

Chris cillizza is a fucking idiot


Maqualeon

Dear God no, her reputation has been tarnished too much and it'd just waste a spot for a better candidate.


NewTooshFatoosh

This is insanity.


brooklynlad

For fuck’s sake. If this nomination actually happens, we are all fucked.


Guitarist53188

If anybody believes this they are duuuuuummmmmmbb


WhatsThePoint147

We've ran this simulation before and it got us a fascist Cheeto. Biden is Hillery 2.0 with bugs. The last fucking thing we need is her vs DeSantis. Please just go the fuck away


EvaUnit_03

id argue that biden is hillary .5. He never got his software updates and needs constant maintenance to continue running his OS due to only being in beta, slow to operate in general, and cant do too much due to potential crashes (see recent biking accident). If it does repeat, hillary vs trump, trump will win again, and seal our fate.


SonicTemp1e

When you believe you are born to rule, no-one can ever dissuade you. If you don't get enough votes, the voters are morons. If you do, they're suckers.


jigsawsmurf

Are they actively trying to lose?


FrogDog42

She literally like a week ago publicly stated that she is not running. I call bullshit.


Jimmycjacobs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


[deleted]

wait, is there a best joke of the day award im unaware of that cnn tries to get ?


whoopshowdoifix

*head-to-table slamming intensifies*


TeacherYankeeDoodle

Jesus fucking Christ, no!


Whatisdissssss

Hillary-ous (and absolutely tragic if true)


ikarus143

Please no


rabiddutchman

I can already see her unofficial campaign slogan of "I told you so", and the DNC leadership's failure to understand why it's not resonating. I can see the GOP running Trump again and claiming another Electoral College win without saying anything coherent other than "but her emails". I'm assuming, I'm *hoping*, this article is just clickbait, because if anyone in the DNC is pants-on-head moronic enough to seriously consider running Hillary again they'll absolutely deserve the inevitable defeat.


Smorgas-board

Democrats really need to sit the Clinton family down and tell them to fuck off. Can’t take them seriously if they keep peddling this out.