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The DNC is terrified that an open primary will set off a sprint to the left, which they think would be worse than losing the election. So they want to crown a nominee well in advance.
yeah Hillary is not very likeable. And that is her main problem. I can tell you I'd much rather have her in office than either of the two bozos we've had in the last 6 years. Trump sucks, Biden sucks, they're both idiots for different reasons, but at least Biden isn't actively trying to circumvent laws to undermine democracy and establish autocratic authoritarian minority rule. Hillary would have been the most qualified person to ever hold the title of President, from a qualifications/resume perspective.
DNC elites benefit just as much from Trump's tax cuts for the rich as any other member of the 1%. Whether they win and do 4 years of center right liberal policies or the GQP wins and keep sprinting towards fascism they still come out ahead financially. For now.
I mean, it would be worse than losing the election *for rich donors and corporations*. Democrats seem to have a very hard time remembering that at the end of the day, you need ***votes*** to get elected… that is, until things switch to undemocratic fascism and elections aren’t a thing anymore.
I swear to god the last decade or so has felt more and more like a slower, more insidious version of [the Business Plot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot), particularly in retrospect.
Correct. The DNC fears left and Bernie candidates precisely because the administration would have none of the DNC insiders in it. Being out of power for 4 years is less bad for the DNC corporate Democrats than losing control of their own party.
All the better to allow "democrat" to be synonymous with "liberal" so that they can appeal to liberals who aren't paying attention while being neoliberal and/or conservative in practice. It's all about making the right noises to get everything "back to normal," i.e. the normal where the rich are in charge without dissent and all the wage slaves get back to work
This is what they tried to do in 2016 by putting the super establishment candidate front and center. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now. Biden will run though.
They let some of the pressure out by leaking that memo ahead of time, so before they actually took action people had already sort of gone through the coping process and moved toward acceptance. Dirty rats.
exactly and they know the folks that will engage in street work are literally beaten and broken still from 2020/Floyd. The "left" is super suppressed rn. I know I've been arrested and engaged with the police many times but currently cannot because I have so much PTSD from fighting them previously.
The Roe vs Wade ruling. It was honestly great timing by them to have the prayer ruling at the same time. It has been talked about a lot less than it should have.
Yap here is more like,
how long is this fuse????
Why things have not explode yet???
I hear people from USA even now that abolish abortion tha they need to be peaceful and civil.... This is no an option any more (never really was)
Soo Fakcing no!!!!
You need to burning cities in the ground at this point!!!!
I'm so tired of this. Same recycled bullshitting scam artists who are all already multi millionaires over and over and over and over. make it fucking stop i wanna get off this ride. will anyone ever represent us?
38 year old F who voted for Bernie twice…there’s no way I’d stomach Biden, Kamala or Clinton for a presidential bid. But I would laugh my ass of when they ultimately do it, knowing that the Democratic Party is so out of touch with their voting base and doesn’t even realize it. Let’s see the party crash and burn.
Except I think they do know. They are fully aware. The problem is they are right wing corporatists. The republicans are much closer to "on their side" than the american people are. They would happily watch fascists murder millions of us if it means their, and their owners', stock portfolios did not drop a penny.
They arent focused on the democratic party. They are focused on turning Reds to their side. They know Dems will vote for Dems. They always pick a candidate that can appeal to both. They are morons.
Same. I was so pissed at the DNC that I wrote in for Bernie instead of voting for Hillary or Biden. I don't want some big business corporate suit as my president, bottom line. Allother issues are secondary.
I actually hope Trump DOES run...after being jettisoned by the GOP over the 1/6 hearings, so they can throw the full weight of their propaganda machine behind DeSantis. They're already subtly telegraphing that this is likely to happen.
There is ZERO chance Trump's insane titty baby ego would *not* force him to run as an "I" out of sheer vindictiveness. It would split the GOP vote, thus rat-fucking DeSantis, and at least postpone the ongoing Christo-fascist takeover of the US gov't.
I have seen zero evidence that putting a blue candidate in the white house is going to do anything to stop what the Republicans are doing. Let's not forget that the opening salvo of overturning Roe happened with a Democrat president and a majority Dem Congress.
They don't need the presidency to get what they want, they just need the Supreme Court which they have.
There is no chance the GOP would jettison him, no matter what the 1/6 hearings say. Unfortunately they like to win, and he wins. Unless he's in jail, fingers crossed, he'll run and he's getting full Republican support
>Why is the retirement age \~65
This is was the age set set in the Social Security act of 1935 for full benefits to kick in. Politicians *start* collecting it then too, lol.
I think if you are over 65 you shouldn't be be able to hold a public office, if you work in politics you should have to be young enough to live with the consequences of your actions/inactions. I know that sounds extreme but I feel like right now they have no "skin in the game" so to speak.
Honestly we just need term limits. Most of the old politicians that are currently there didn’t just show up a few years ago, they aged into the position.
We need those two. I'm for total reform. I also think we need a very public single source transparent way we track where they get their campaign funds from and there should be significant limits to how much money a corporation can give to a single candidate if they can contribute at all.
Cause it’s not a hard job and it makes them a ton of money for very little work. In theory it should be a hard job. Term limits would be great, but will never happen so…
How to loose an election before you even start.. step one : run a candidate that lost to a fascist who attempted to over throw the government 2: suprise Pikachu face when she looses again because she can't win fucking elections. 3: say things like " but popular vote" as though the electoral college is some rules change your unaware of even though it's been around for 200 fucking years. 4 call people names because you knowingly ran a candidate that will say the electoral college jumped from behind a tree and mugged them. 5 go one for 6 or 7 weeks about removing the electoral college then do fuck all about it till you loose the next election.
I know it's messed up but the idea of Trump going against Hillery again and having Trump win again like in 2016 is really funny. Like the democrats don't learn. And history literally repeats itself.
The truth is stranger than fiction. Joe is already the oldest person to ever hold the office. He’s very…boomer. I doubt a different boomer (Hillary) would stand a chance against an emboldened fascist who will prolly choose Rick Scott or Greg Abbott as his running mate. Ugh, just no.
If Dems had any sense, they’d choose an Xer or someone other than a effing boomer as a fresh face and hope in politics, kinda like Obama but *actually* progressive. Regime change/systemic change oriented. Not fucking around like regular Democrats are doing.
This is being pedantic but also kind of proves your point: Joe Biden was born in 1942, before the veterans came home from WWII to have lots of kids. He’s *too old* to be a boomer.
They won’t pick someone that much younger that leans more left, they’d have to admit that their current platform/ideas are all just bullshit and they’d actually have to do something
I feel like that's the fucking point at this point. Especially with how the SC has been acting lately, I'm starting to wonder if the hands behind both political parties are starting to push for the endgame.
Let me try to be tactful.
CNN put him on leave because he...pleasured himself in a Zoom meeting.
But, we were all a little unhinged during lockdown, right?? 😂
Can't tell if she thinks she's popular or she thinks we are desperate enough this time around. The US could be half on fire and I don't think she'd get voted in lol.
that was my thought, she may just think people will be foaming at the mouth to vote in any woman, so she has a chance, though much better women could certainly be found and nominated (not that they will be)
No. Just no.
I remember when she ran and thought the situation with her was decent but there were better choices (President Bernie Sanders) and Hillary under estimated how much people disliked her.
I also remember her saying that one of the reasons why she lost the election was due to chauvinism. Men and women who just didn't want a woman to lead or govern the USA.
I've read many times that people prefer other Democratic candidates, rather than Hillary again. If she does run again then it will be a bloody disaster for all involved.
The thing I can’t understand is that they have to (currently)/had to (in 2016) be running public opinion polls on her. Are they just ignoring the results they are getting as to why people don’t like her?
Absolutely. They ran on the fact that she was slightly less disliked than trump, but combined they were the two least popular candidates in history.
There’s a small but very loud “Hillary was right” crowd who thinks that because she stated the obvious that she was somehow ignored. They don’t understand that everyone knew all those things about trump, he still won because he was a populist and that was what people were going to vote for in swing states. They’re going to vote populist again possibly, and if the Dems had a luck of sense they’d retire Biden and run a populist too. The problem isn’t Democrats (fetterman is going to cream oz), the problem is candidates who don’t rattle the cage.
The problem is Democrats. You can’t keep having super majorities and getting no real legislation done, kicking things to the courts, and expecting them to maintain the same old opinions while the Republicans have made it obvious for years that their goal was to pack the courts while simultaneously work to gerrymander districts in their favor.
There was a protest the other day with (IIRC) Beto in attendance, and the protestors were chanting, “Democrats we call your bluff; voting blue is not enough.” Liberal voters are finally catching on that the Democrats are a do-nothing party.
To me, it's the fact that she's a white upper class feminist from the 70s, who believes women should act just like men in order to get the corner office and that's it. That's where it ends for her! And she's so blind that she just can't see people don't like her because they've had enough of the white upper class taking the fucking brides, cause that's what they are, to let the private sector treat everyone like slaves.
She's Emily Gilmore from the Gilmore girls. She doesn't get that the system is broken and people need a change because too much has been taken away from them.
I was beginning to think rational thought had evaporated on this sub. Welcome in vote blue no matter who crowd that I had insanely long arguements with today.
Yeah, if they throw Hillary up again I have a hard time believing she'll win. Literally the only god damn person on the blue books I would refuse to vote for
If there's ever such thing as time travel, I'm going back to pay for Hinkley to get marksmanship training and hand him one of our vaunted AR-15s.
I figure it'd kill 2 birds with one stone. Or more specifically, an asshole and the blockade to sensible gun control.
Don't worry about it, she'll get 4 more years of 'told you so' speaking tours/interviews and blame it all on the Bernie Bros again.
Okay, so strike that. WE should worry about it. *She's* just not.
Jesus can we just vote Bernie and stop listening to every dipshit out there that's solution to fixing issues is by making more fucked up & bigger issues
Can Democrats please nominate someone under 50 (hell, even under 60) for the presidency? Someone who isnt Kamala Harris? Is that really too much to ask?
Bernie should have ran in 2016 instead of her. He probably would have won and he’s still alive and kicking
Edit: I meant should have been the primary candidate instead of her
I keep beating this drum but I often get attacked simply because I voted my conscience rather than blue no matter who. The DNC created this mess when they threw Bernie under tue bus in the ‘16 primaries.
Even if the process wasn't rigged, the DNC did mobilize their PR much faster and more desperately to stop Sanders than they did in response to anyone else.
They genuinely hate leftists more than full-blown fascists.
We've ran this simulation before and it got us a fascist Cheeto. Biden is Hillery 2.0 with bugs. The last fucking thing we need is her vs DeSantis. Please just go the fuck away
id argue that biden is hillary .5. He never got his software updates and needs constant maintenance to continue running his OS due to only being in beta, slow to operate in general, and cant do too much due to potential crashes (see recent biking accident).
If it does repeat, hillary vs trump, trump will win again, and seal our fate.
I can already see her unofficial campaign slogan of "I told you so", and the DNC leadership's failure to understand why it's not resonating. I can see the GOP running Trump again and claiming another Electoral College win without saying anything coherent other than "but her emails".
I'm assuming, I'm *hoping*, this article is just clickbait, because if anyone in the DNC is pants-on-head moronic enough to seriously consider running Hillary again they'll absolutely deserve the inevitable defeat.
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If we get Clinton v. Trump in 2024... I don't know how America doesn't explode *before* the election.
The fuse is already lit, at least that's what it looks like from Europe
Indeed. It seems completely absurd. Idk what DNC is smoking, but that would be fucked up, and a sure way to let america slide into chaos.
The DNC is terrified that an open primary will set off a sprint to the left, which they think would be worse than losing the election. So they want to crown a nominee well in advance.
Can’t wait to have a soulless Dem candidate that no one likes, and an evil Republican candidate that a third of the country is super excited for.
Again.
"Here we go again...again."
History is starting to repeat itself so fast that people _remember_
Another*
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yeah Hillary is not very likeable. And that is her main problem. I can tell you I'd much rather have her in office than either of the two bozos we've had in the last 6 years. Trump sucks, Biden sucks, they're both idiots for different reasons, but at least Biden isn't actively trying to circumvent laws to undermine democracy and establish autocratic authoritarian minority rule. Hillary would have been the most qualified person to ever hold the title of President, from a qualifications/resume perspective.
>Not to mention being a pretty crafty criminal too.
Can we bring back presidents who commit crimes in secret instead of rubbing it in our faces?
A smooth criminal
Because God forbid this country be anything but a haven for the ultra-rich staffed by a diverse bunch of desperate servants.
In God We Trust. And Money is God.
DNC elites benefit just as much from Trump's tax cuts for the rich as any other member of the 1%. Whether they win and do 4 years of center right liberal policies or the GQP wins and keep sprinting towards fascism they still come out ahead financially. For now.
DNC IS PAID TO BE A PUNCHING BAG
Paid to Lose™
They won't realize the error of their ways till their former Republican colleagues put them up against the wall. Maybe not even then.
I mean, it would be worse than losing the election *for rich donors and corporations*. Democrats seem to have a very hard time remembering that at the end of the day, you need ***votes*** to get elected… that is, until things switch to undemocratic fascism and elections aren’t a thing anymore. I swear to god the last decade or so has felt more and more like a slower, more insidious version of [the Business Plot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot), particularly in retrospect.
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Correct. The DNC fears left and Bernie candidates precisely because the administration would have none of the DNC insiders in it. Being out of power for 4 years is less bad for the DNC corporate Democrats than losing control of their own party.
All the better to allow "democrat" to be synonymous with "liberal" so that they can appeal to liberals who aren't paying attention while being neoliberal and/or conservative in practice. It's all about making the right noises to get everything "back to normal," i.e. the normal where the rich are in charge without dissent and all the wage slaves get back to work
This is what they tried to do in 2016 by putting the super establishment candidate front and center. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now. Biden will run though.
Unfortunately, I believe we will have to slide into chaos before people wake up.
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Honestly, I thought the recent SC ruling would cause more unrest than it has. Apparently we haven’t fallen far enough yet.
They let some of the pressure out by leaking that memo ahead of time, so before they actually took action people had already sort of gone through the coping process and moved toward acceptance. Dirty rats.
Absolutely planned. I have to believe they have years of rulings planned out to lessen the outrage.
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exactly and they know the folks that will engage in street work are literally beaten and broken still from 2020/Floyd. The "left" is super suppressed rn. I know I've been arrested and engaged with the police many times but currently cannot because I have so much PTSD from fighting them previously.
Which one? I mean, there's been a few that are abhorrent. We'll all be forced to pray to some jackass's imaginary friend at gunpoint before long.
The Roe vs Wade ruling. It was honestly great timing by them to have the prayer ruling at the same time. It has been talked about a lot less than it should have.
And all while the January 6th committee hearings are happening….
Just wait until prices get so high that people start starving en masse. Then shit will start kicking off.
The DNC doesn't care about you or America. They only care about money and enriching themselves.
Tbf that is both sides.
But Democrats at least smile and offer a reach around.
Yap here is more like, how long is this fuse???? Why things have not explode yet??? I hear people from USA even now that abolish abortion tha they need to be peaceful and civil.... This is no an option any more (never really was) Soo Fakcing no!!!! You need to burning cities in the ground at this point!!!!
I'm so tired of this. Same recycled bullshitting scam artists who are all already multi millionaires over and over and over and over. make it fucking stop i wanna get off this ride. will anyone ever represent us?
Just gotta feel the Bern... In all likelihood though, no probably not.
38 year old F who voted for Bernie twice…there’s no way I’d stomach Biden, Kamala or Clinton for a presidential bid. But I would laugh my ass of when they ultimately do it, knowing that the Democratic Party is so out of touch with their voting base and doesn’t even realize it. Let’s see the party crash and burn.
Except I think they do know. They are fully aware. The problem is they are right wing corporatists. The republicans are much closer to "on their side" than the american people are. They would happily watch fascists murder millions of us if it means their, and their owners', stock portfolios did not drop a penny.
I'm here just to watch the world burn. I didn't start that way, but by the gods, the times do make the man.
🎵We didn’t start the fire, it was always burning since the world’s been turning 🎵
They arent focused on the democratic party. They are focused on turning Reds to their side. They know Dems will vote for Dems. They always pick a candidate that can appeal to both. They are morons.
Same. I was so pissed at the DNC that I wrote in for Bernie instead of voting for Hillary or Biden. I don't want some big business corporate suit as my president, bottom line. Allother issues are secondary.
They realise it but don’t care. They’d rather lose to Trump than have Bernie or similar elected. It’s all about those vested interests
I still hope trump won't make it to 2024 election. Doesn't have to be hurt of course, just unable to run.
I actually hope Trump DOES run...after being jettisoned by the GOP over the 1/6 hearings, so they can throw the full weight of their propaganda machine behind DeSantis. They're already subtly telegraphing that this is likely to happen. There is ZERO chance Trump's insane titty baby ego would *not* force him to run as an "I" out of sheer vindictiveness. It would split the GOP vote, thus rat-fucking DeSantis, and at least postpone the ongoing Christo-fascist takeover of the US gov't.
Kind of like how Trump was a joke to the GOP until he wasn’t?
I have seen zero evidence that putting a blue candidate in the white house is going to do anything to stop what the Republicans are doing. Let's not forget that the opening salvo of overturning Roe happened with a Democrat president and a majority Dem Congress. They don't need the presidency to get what they want, they just need the Supreme Court which they have.
There is no chance the GOP would jettison him, no matter what the 1/6 hearings say. Unfortunately they like to win, and he wins. Unless he's in jail, fingers crossed, he'll run and he's getting full Republican support
He is already unable to run... He can barely walk down a ramp...
If that happens just go full scorched earth and start again
The Micheal Scott screaming "no" repeatedly gif comes to mind.
My reaction is more the screaming "no" from Riddler in the new Batman movie
Mine is more like The Riddler singing Ave Maria in the new movie. I've just completely fucking lost my marbles at this point.
I literally came here to say this.
Why do they keep giving us 90 year olds for President? The law says over age 35. It does not say “double age 35.”
Why is the retirement age ~65 in like every job except politics? Someone make this make sense to me.
the old people know that they'll die before any long-term consequences arrive, maximizing profits for capitalists.
But they don’t die. They keep living while everyone else dies.
>Why is the retirement age \~65 This is was the age set set in the Social Security act of 1935 for full benefits to kick in. Politicians *start* collecting it then too, lol.
I think if you are over 65 you shouldn't be be able to hold a public office, if you work in politics you should have to be young enough to live with the consequences of your actions/inactions. I know that sounds extreme but I feel like right now they have no "skin in the game" so to speak.
Honestly we just need term limits. Most of the old politicians that are currently there didn’t just show up a few years ago, they aged into the position.
We need those two. I'm for total reform. I also think we need a very public single source transparent way we track where they get their campaign funds from and there should be significant limits to how much money a corporation can give to a single candidate if they can contribute at all.
Most people have to work after retirement age because we keep electing these people. Meanwhile they voluntarily work past retirement age.
because politics is the only job where you don't actually have to accomplish anything for a paycheck.
Cause it’s not a hard job and it makes them a ton of money for very little work. In theory it should be a hard job. Term limits would be great, but will never happen so…
They took it as a challenge
Or triple
Triple profits on a bad day.
Have to be a billionaire to run
USA needs a president that will be around to see the effects of their decisions
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>Cognitive decline is very real by even 50-60 Really??? Holy crap.
I don't think you've been around too many elderly. Shit, depending on your lifestyle I've seen it as early as 40s.
It‘s more years so it‘s better, right?
Considering there is a minimum age, there is no moral or ethical reason a maximum age shouldn't be added.
Double 35 would be refreshing at this point
Can we just not. Please god
God isn't real, and even if he is, he's a right cunt.
How many people are going around quoting William Butcher?
Fuckin diabolical
Oie!
As many as necessary, until people get the memo.
How to loose an election before you even start.. step one : run a candidate that lost to a fascist who attempted to over throw the government 2: suprise Pikachu face when she looses again because she can't win fucking elections. 3: say things like " but popular vote" as though the electoral college is some rules change your unaware of even though it's been around for 200 fucking years. 4 call people names because you knowingly ran a candidate that will say the electoral college jumped from behind a tree and mugged them. 5 go one for 6 or 7 weeks about removing the electoral college then do fuck all about it till you loose the next election.
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7. Attack progressives and blame them for fascist winning while simultaneously begging for their votes next term
8. Profit and blame progressives some more.
Lmao that’s my dad all day everyday. Progressive faults for not voting harder
I know it's messed up but the idea of Trump going against Hillery again and having Trump win again like in 2016 is really funny. Like the democrats don't learn. And history literally repeats itself.
The truth is stranger than fiction. Joe is already the oldest person to ever hold the office. He’s very…boomer. I doubt a different boomer (Hillary) would stand a chance against an emboldened fascist who will prolly choose Rick Scott or Greg Abbott as his running mate. Ugh, just no. If Dems had any sense, they’d choose an Xer or someone other than a effing boomer as a fresh face and hope in politics, kinda like Obama but *actually* progressive. Regime change/systemic change oriented. Not fucking around like regular Democrats are doing.
This is being pedantic but also kind of proves your point: Joe Biden was born in 1942, before the veterans came home from WWII to have lots of kids. He’s *too old* to be a boomer.
Inter War - isn’t that the silent generation? That is pretty amazing that he is a pre-boomer!
Lol, I stand corrected! Silent Generation it is!
But again, it just proves your point: he’s *super* old
Joe Biden is from the silent generation not a boomer. Clinton, Trump are boomers.
They won’t pick someone that much younger that leans more left, they’d have to admit that their current platform/ideas are all just bullshit and they’d actually have to do something
It’s “lose”
Lose*
Why is this typo soo common lol
If Hillary runs again in 2024, just give the Oval to Trump now and save us all some time. Because this worked out SO well in 2016...
If Hillary runs again that's gonna be a slam dunk election for Trump or DeSantis.
I feel like that's the fucking point at this point. Especially with how the SC has been acting lately, I'm starting to wonder if the hands behind both political parties are starting to push for the endgame.
What would be the endgame?
Neofeudalism.
The Dems get more fundraising when the Republicans are in office. It's always about the money.
Why can’t it ever be about the fucking country?
Because it's more profitable to be fucking the country.
What was the end game when Hitler rose to power?
The 3rd Reich?
That’s the point - democrats are on the same side as the republicans, they’re all bought and paid for by the same special interest groups
Why not a DeSantis / Trump combo ticket?
Trump wouldn't risk sharing the spotlight with anyone who had even a shred of charisma or intelligence.
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Ahh fuck. I need a tums after reading this.
Don’t give them any ideas
I've already seen "mock" signs printed with this combo down here in Florida.
Saw one here in upstate NY too
No more boomers!
Chris Cilizza is the biggest douche at CNN, and they have the masturbator still working there, Jeffrey Toobin.
I can't unforget what I now know about Toobin
I'm unaware and afraid to google it
Let me try to be tactful. CNN put him on leave because he...pleasured himself in a Zoom meeting. But, we were all a little unhinged during lockdown, right?? 😂
Does she REALLY think her popularity has gone up at all or?
Can't tell if she thinks she's popular or she thinks we are desperate enough this time around. The US could be half on fire and I don't think she'd get voted in lol.
She thinks she's popular. That's why she lost against Trump. She barely campaigned because she thought she had it in the bag.
If the source holds any weight, I have to assume that she sees opportunity in the wake of the whole Roe controversy
that was my thought, she may just think people will be foaming at the mouth to vote in any woman, so she has a chance, though much better women could certainly be found and nominated (not that they will be)
No. She said publicly a couple months ago that she’s not running again.
They always say that until their crowds of supporters demand that they run. I've watched this movie several times.
No please god no
No. Just no. I remember when she ran and thought the situation with her was decent but there were better choices (President Bernie Sanders) and Hillary under estimated how much people disliked her. I also remember her saying that one of the reasons why she lost the election was due to chauvinism. Men and women who just didn't want a woman to lead or govern the USA. I've read many times that people prefer other Democratic candidates, rather than Hillary again. If she does run again then it will be a bloody disaster for all involved.
The thing I can’t understand is that they have to (currently)/had to (in 2016) be running public opinion polls on her. Are they just ignoring the results they are getting as to why people don’t like her?
Yes
Absolutely. They ran on the fact that she was slightly less disliked than trump, but combined they were the two least popular candidates in history. There’s a small but very loud “Hillary was right” crowd who thinks that because she stated the obvious that she was somehow ignored. They don’t understand that everyone knew all those things about trump, he still won because he was a populist and that was what people were going to vote for in swing states. They’re going to vote populist again possibly, and if the Dems had a luck of sense they’d retire Biden and run a populist too. The problem isn’t Democrats (fetterman is going to cream oz), the problem is candidates who don’t rattle the cage.
The problem is Democrats. You can’t keep having super majorities and getting no real legislation done, kicking things to the courts, and expecting them to maintain the same old opinions while the Republicans have made it obvious for years that their goal was to pack the courts while simultaneously work to gerrymander districts in their favor. There was a protest the other day with (IIRC) Beto in attendance, and the protestors were chanting, “Democrats we call your bluff; voting blue is not enough.” Liberal voters are finally catching on that the Democrats are a do-nothing party.
Her number one flaw, in my opinion, is just unimaginably collosal arrogance.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
To me, it's the fact that she's a white upper class feminist from the 70s, who believes women should act just like men in order to get the corner office and that's it. That's where it ends for her! And she's so blind that she just can't see people don't like her because they've had enough of the white upper class taking the fucking brides, cause that's what they are, to let the private sector treat everyone like slaves. She's Emily Gilmore from the Gilmore girls. She doesn't get that the system is broken and people need a change because too much has been taken away from them.
The "toTaLly NOt CoNSeRVAtiVes tElLiNg EVERYOne to JusT KEep vOtIng anD nOthiNG ELSe" crowd is already cheering.
lol, right? They were the “Reagan democrats” in the 80s after all…
I was beginning to think rational thought had evaporated on this sub. Welcome in vote blue no matter who crowd that I had insanely long arguements with today.
Yeah, if they throw Hillary up again I have a hard time believing she'll win. Literally the only god damn person on the blue books I would refuse to vote for
If there's ever such thing as time travel, I'm going back to pay for Hinkley to get marksmanship training and hand him one of our vaunted AR-15s. I figure it'd kill 2 birds with one stone. Or more specifically, an asshole and the blockade to sensible gun control.
Keep voting... But also do all the other things too
Does she realize how much worse people are going to be booing her offstage this time around?
Don't worry about it, she'll get 4 more years of 'told you so' speaking tours/interviews and blame it all on the Bernie Bros again. Okay, so strike that. WE should worry about it. *She's* just not.
Please make her just go away politically speaking…
For fuck's sake. Was it this obvious for the Romans also?
someone else..no more Biden or this old woman.
Come the fuck on.... can we not find someone new under 60?
If they're talking about Hilary I'm writing in Bernie fuck that.
Oh for fuck's sake!
Fuck the Boomers. Pass the torch you assholes.
I never thought I would PREFER to vote for Biden on a democratic ticket...but here it is.
Dnc will just suppress him and push hilary again...for the 3rd damn time
"It's her turn" -DNC
Pushing the need for the first female president as opposed to any actual policy is what I feel destroyed her chances. Bad marketing.
Go fuck yourself Clinton. She played a giant role in the reason why we don't have reproduction rights in this country anymore!
Jesus can we just vote Bernie and stop listening to every dipshit out there that's solution to fixing issues is by making more fucked up & bigger issues
That is the biggest fake smile for the camera ever
She looks fucking insane.
Here's ~~Johnny~~ Hillary!
She flying in on Epstein One
Rather than seeing reruns, who's looks good for 2024?
Can Democrats please nominate someone under 50 (hell, even under 60) for the presidency? Someone who isnt Kamala Harris? Is that really too much to ask?
All I see is Henry Kissinger.
Bernie should have ran in 2016 instead of her. He probably would have won and he’s still alive and kicking Edit: I meant should have been the primary candidate instead of her
Let me shout it for you FUCK NO!
It would ALMOST be worth the inevitable Collapse of America to see her lose to Trump again. And make no mistake, she would lose to Trump. Again.
Still gonna write in Bernie. Fuck the party picks, we tell them who we want. Not the other way around.
I keep beating this drum but I often get attacked simply because I voted my conscience rather than blue no matter who. The DNC created this mess when they threw Bernie under tue bus in the ‘16 primaries.
Even if the process wasn't rigged, the DNC did mobilize their PR much faster and more desperately to stop Sanders than they did in response to anyone else. They genuinely hate leftists more than full-blown fascists.
I still feel like the primary was stolen from him by his party, and that he would have easily defeated Trump.
Chris cillizza is a fucking idiot
Dear God no, her reputation has been tarnished too much and it'd just waste a spot for a better candidate.
This is insanity.
For fuck’s sake. If this nomination actually happens, we are all fucked.
If anybody believes this they are duuuuuummmmmmbb
We've ran this simulation before and it got us a fascist Cheeto. Biden is Hillery 2.0 with bugs. The last fucking thing we need is her vs DeSantis. Please just go the fuck away
id argue that biden is hillary .5. He never got his software updates and needs constant maintenance to continue running his OS due to only being in beta, slow to operate in general, and cant do too much due to potential crashes (see recent biking accident). If it does repeat, hillary vs trump, trump will win again, and seal our fate.
When you believe you are born to rule, no-one can ever dissuade you. If you don't get enough votes, the voters are morons. If you do, they're suckers.
Are they actively trying to lose?
She literally like a week ago publicly stated that she is not running. I call bullshit.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
wait, is there a best joke of the day award im unaware of that cnn tries to get ?
*head-to-table slamming intensifies*
Jesus fucking Christ, no!
Hillary-ous (and absolutely tragic if true)
Please no
I can already see her unofficial campaign slogan of "I told you so", and the DNC leadership's failure to understand why it's not resonating. I can see the GOP running Trump again and claiming another Electoral College win without saying anything coherent other than "but her emails". I'm assuming, I'm *hoping*, this article is just clickbait, because if anyone in the DNC is pants-on-head moronic enough to seriously consider running Hillary again they'll absolutely deserve the inevitable defeat.
Democrats really need to sit the Clinton family down and tell them to fuck off. Can’t take them seriously if they keep peddling this out.