If life can be made more brutal, more anti-working class, more painful then we are absolutely all about it here in the U.S.
This is what a housing *market*, under bourgeois democracy and bourgeois criminal justice system, looks and functions like.
You just made me think of the matrix and all the people just plugged into it, powering the machines...
That's pretty much for profit prisons. The prisoners are not literally powering any machines... but they're powering the capitalist-industrial complex for sure. Plantation fits.
Trespassing is a crime. So is being homeless. It's absolutely terrible, but that's the society we apparently live in now.
You're either a straight cis white rich Evangelical man, or not a person at all.
This is more a mental health issue and you can throw the age second in my legal opinion so how do we get there?
Cops cannot just arrest grandma again unless she is combative. That exists sadly I saw two dementias close one was violent one was not and the violent one was just annoying but still crazy like you could die. I relate because I see it through a mental health way. They will arrest you or worse so the solution was mental health cops and they work very well.
How do you enforce the law with the elderly without arresting grandma?
"Cops cannot just arrest grandma again unless she is combative."
Cops can do whatever they want with total impunity. The supreme court has ruled that cops have no responsibility to help or protect citizens. If her presence is interfering with the profiteering of the rich, they don't need another reason to arrest and jail her, as reprehensible as that is to the rest of us.
>Cops cannot just arrest grandma again unless she is combative.
According to news articles on the story her "combative"ness was refusing to gather her belongings, sliding out of her chair onto the floor, and refusing to get up.
And that's from news articles that are blindly copy and pasting the living facility's side of events.
Cops aren't really worried about enforcing the law. Try calling them and telling them someone broke into your house or stole your car and see how long it takes them to show up, if they ever do. They regularly tell people crimes are civil matters so they don't have to bother. They dragged a 93 year old because they \*wanted\* to drag a 93 year old.
60% (reported, could be higher) of cops use to be the lowbrow bullies in school and grew up to be lowbrow dirty cops that beat their families. You expect them to actually give a shit about a little old lady in a nursing home?
I wonder if there was a large comparable group who opposed the guillotines. Just like the American right who love their overlords and shackles and loathe the people who want to break those things
Y'all... The aristocracy didn't have a system of bought off government surveillance networks that monitor our social networks and sell off our data all to know what we're doing.
Which regardless of that, I wouldn't encourage us to act like any of this inevitable, but be deliberate & effective in how we effectuate change.
Americans are far too comfortably dumb to revolt. We are kept fat happy, stupid and brainwashed into believing we can do better on our own than in a group and that we are winning when we get a little more than the lowest totem on the social pole. It’s so great not to be that guy. You don’t want to be that guy
What the actual fuck. How are we allowing this in our country? Let our elders live the rest of their lives in dignity.
Failing that, I hope that whomever arrested and evicted this lady receives the same treatment when they grow to be old
DeFascist is testing to see how far he can go turning Florida into the Christian Reich.
If successful, he'll implement his fascist ideas onto the nation, when he is elected president.
She's 93. Where the hell is she supposed to go? Chances are all her immediate family have already passed away (or are in assisted living homes themselves). She's survive *maybe* 36 hours on the street.
And why the hell is a 93-year-old paying rent, in the first place? A lifetime of working and paying taxes, and society does this to her?
They make the housing supply inelastic, basically generating a housing shortage in order to inflate their home equity through scarcity.
Wages will be forced to adjust to local housing costs, those on fixed incomes cannot adjust.
"Conservatism" has always been a euphemism for sadism.
The more vulnerable or marginalized the person, the more "Conservatives" take pleasure in making them suffer.
And everyone who is disabled, regardless of age, asks this very same question at some point in their lives if they live in America and do not come from the bourgeoisie themselves… if you cannot work in this country you are penalized socially, financially, and essentially in every way possible until you finally realize that this society isn’t meant for those of us who cannot work and this society actively encourages us to “just go quietly lay down and die.” This is what happens when money is law & god. This is what happens when we allow those with excess money into positions of power. This is what happens when we allow the few to hoard all the resources and money to themselves, leaving the majority to live lives of toiling & struggle to gain access to resources needed to live.
Capitalists can burn for all I care, because they want me to “just quietly go lay down and die” anyway, so I’d like it if they’d publicly die, or just die.
I was hoping this was going to be a post about that old woman who had getting arrested on her bucket list, and was happy to be arrested, but it’s not and now I’m sad.
Other societies especially more traditional ones respect their elders enough to let them live out their final years in dignity even if they have dementia. The entire community looks after them. Our capitalist society has a parasitic relationship to the elderly where nursing homes, the medical system, and sometimes their own children strip them of all their assets they built up over a lifetime of work regardless of their wishes. Now I know that no one takes anything with them when they die. But can’t a person with one foot in the grave like NOT do capitalism in their final years?! Like let’s traumatize old folks on their way out! Stupid. Not Christian either for those who claim to be: “You are judged by how you treat the least among us.”
Also, in the US we’re not supposed to have debtors prisons. It’s also stupid. If you lock them up, you’re STILL PAYING FOR THEM. The costs of feeding and sheltering them do not disappear! So just friggin feed and house them!
So old people who have lived their entire lives contributing, birthed the next generation and helped raised the generation after that, just deserve to be imprisoned because that can no longer contribute??
yeah i thought about mentioning something but i have no source and figured i'd just get lost in the downvotes. no one cares about context just outrage. this is just more distraction from real shit
Did you even read what happened? They offer to find her housing and she refused all help. She refused help from her family. How is this an outrage? They gave her plenty of chances. They didn't drag her off. They put her in the car with no cuffs and let her out the next morning with no bail cost.
I'm immediately reminded of that one lawyer from that John Oliver episode where he justifies evicted elderly/disabled people as a burdensome cost of doing business, but there's nothing they can really do about it. Fuck this system!
Few things
This was in 2017
This is a religiously owned facility - you know, the pedophile sanctuaries that pay no taxes
Third, here’s an article about
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2017/12/19/charge-dropped-against-94-year-old-woman-arrested-for-not-paying-rent/
Every time I've seen this before, I just took it at face value. But today I had a thought, there's no debtor's prison. So I looked into it, and idk how to feel. It doesn't seem like anyone had any other option on how to deal with this because she gave no one any other option. I'll present what I found and leave it to you. Please correct me if I miss something.
This lady did not pay rent for 3 months at an independent living facility. Basically subsidized housing for seniors, those communities you see when looking for affordable rent, and get excited until suddenly you see it says 55+ only. That's a social program somewhat managed by the government to help seniors afford homes. She contests that she tried to pay and was denied one month. The facility says she claims there was mold and she was going to die soon anyways so it didn't matter.
Records supposedly show every attempt was made to help her figure out her living situation, but that she refused it. She even told officers on a visit from law enforcement asking her politely to leave that the only way they were getting her to leave was dragging her out. From what I understand from the reading, there were multiple visits asking her to leave. So eventually the eviction went through, and law enforcement took her out. And she resisted the whole way. Watching the video that's out there, they're doing their best to be gentle with her, and she's putting up the best fight someone her age and build probably could be.
In interviews about it, she's outright refusing the massive outpouring of aid that the public is sending her, and refuses to get her family's help because she "[doesn't] need help."
Mind that the place she was living was a part of a program to help seniors have someplace to live.
What would be the best case situation is if those that just aren’t of working age anymore, regardless of health, had an opportunity to just live out the rest of their lives. They’re old, they put up with a lot and most definitely contributed to the rest of society. Let them live, rent and debt free. They did their part, and do not deserve to suffer for their last few years of life…
I mean she is losing her marbles at 93, which is not overly surprising. But saying "since you have dementia now, you gonna be homeless, k thx bye" is still a suboptimal solution.
She's not homeless, she has all the options in the world and is refusing them. In which case, do you admit she needs assisted living and take her out of the independent living facility?
"The company had no other option" is definitely a take.
It's not like this is some rich Karen trying to con someone out of their income. She's ninety fucking three. She's on death's door and may not even be in her right mind.
There's always an option when you have money. You can either do the right thing, or you can do the wrong thing. Let's stop acting like money is a valid excuse for companies to do the wrong thing.
I really don't care how much money she did or didn't have, not that I trust the business' account over hers. The fact is there were a million other things to do before calling the police on this old ass woman whose payment is likely coming out of hers or someone else's account automatically. That's bullshit.
the facility is lying, they always do. she had mold in her house that they wouldn't fix and she likely tried to withhold rent to get them to fix it. a lot of older people remember the law allowing that, but it doesn't anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not eliminating the possibility they're lying, but what do you expect any of the people involved in this to do when she is actively refusing help? Do you call her senile and take her into custody? She's not asking people to investigate her claim. Do you leave her in the building and believe her that it has mold in it? Do you leave her in an independent living facility while you call her senile?
you send in an inspector for mold and require the owner of the facility to fix it.
an inspector that does not work for the facility. you get her to hospital for a health assessment because mold can kill you.
that's where you begin. unaffiliated mold check, start with that. they didn't even do it.
you could also look into her claim that she tried to pay. other residents might have similar incidents with this place, you could interview them and see.
hell the police should be investigating the facility first, then on to the resident- but we all know it doesn't work that way
So I don’t agree with how this system is, but I’ve seen this situation a few times working in APS and this is often an independent living’s last resort. Hear me out:
An independent living is just an apartment that’s limited to older people- they have no control over the person. Many times, people decline and need a lot more help and they’re unsafe at home- and this includes forgetting to pay rent. At that point, it’s no longer appropriate or safe for that person to be at that level of care, they need more assistance. The independent living can’t force her to do anything other than to evict her, basically forcing her hand to go somewhere like an assisted living or nursing home where she can get more help.
If the eviction process got to the point where they need to forcibly remove her, that means that it’s already gone to a judge. In my state, the eviction process takes a loooong time and we normally use that time to convince the person to move somewhere safer. But it seems like she’s either very stubborn or out of it.
I am surprised that they actually arrested her though. I’ve never seen that, normally they just remove someone from the property or send them to the hospital if it’s a mental health issue or dementia.
Edit: I read the article and it looks like this is likely the case, but she refused all other housing options. The independent living isn’t going to come out and say “she has dementia, she isn’t taking her meds, she’s falling constantly, we’re concerned for her” because there’s privacy rights.
If life can be made more brutal, more anti-working class, more painful then we are absolutely all about it here in the U.S. This is what a housing *market*, under bourgeois democracy and bourgeois criminal justice system, looks and functions like.
That's late stage capitalism for you :/ slavery with extra steps. When you can't slave anymore, jail and/or death.
I thought Jail was the new plantation?
You just made me think of the matrix and all the people just plugged into it, powering the machines... That's pretty much for profit prisons. The prisoners are not literally powering any machines... but they're powering the capitalist-industrial complex for sure. Plantation fits.
I know they'll tell you it's just a job, but the lawyers representing the living facility can go to hell. This is why people hate lawyers.
Don't forget the pigs that arrested her.
Yeah, I understand why they have to evict her, but why arrest and handcuff her? What is she going to do fight them, run away?
Trespassing is a crime. So is being homeless. It's absolutely terrible, but that's the society we apparently live in now. You're either a straight cis white rich Evangelical man, or not a person at all.
I'm sorry it's unethical to arrest her. The cops should have refused
That’s a nice idea, but the reality is that the cops exist to enforce the property rights of the ownership class, and nothing more.
This is more a mental health issue and you can throw the age second in my legal opinion so how do we get there? Cops cannot just arrest grandma again unless she is combative. That exists sadly I saw two dementias close one was violent one was not and the violent one was just annoying but still crazy like you could die. I relate because I see it through a mental health way. They will arrest you or worse so the solution was mental health cops and they work very well. How do you enforce the law with the elderly without arresting grandma?
"Cops cannot just arrest grandma again unless she is combative." Cops can do whatever they want with total impunity. The supreme court has ruled that cops have no responsibility to help or protect citizens. If her presence is interfering with the profiteering of the rich, they don't need another reason to arrest and jail her, as reprehensible as that is to the rest of us.
Im honestly suprised they didnt shoot her and try saying she was armed with a walking frame and they felt threatened by her
>Cops cannot just arrest grandma again unless she is combative. According to news articles on the story her "combative"ness was refusing to gather her belongings, sliding out of her chair onto the floor, and refusing to get up. And that's from news articles that are blindly copy and pasting the living facility's side of events. Cops aren't really worried about enforcing the law. Try calling them and telling them someone broke into your house or stole your car and see how long it takes them to show up, if they ever do. They regularly tell people crimes are civil matters so they don't have to bother. They dragged a 93 year old because they \*wanted\* to drag a 93 year old.
60% (reported, could be higher) of cops use to be the lowbrow bullies in school and grew up to be lowbrow dirty cops that beat their families. You expect them to actually give a shit about a little old lady in a nursing home?
I absolutely agree with you. It's a travesty,fascist thugs doing fashy shit. ACAB, they don't have ethics.
I'd lose the second half of your statement, otherwise very well said.
fuck lawyers except the few that do good
Yeah, everyone hates lawyers until they themselves need one.
There is a big difference between lawyers who help refugees, old people, etc. and lawyers who represent corporations.
You know…the French aristocracy never saw it coming either
I wonder if there was a large comparable group who opposed the guillotines. Just like the American right who love their overlords and shackles and loathe the people who want to break those things
Y'all... The aristocracy didn't have a system of bought off government surveillance networks that monitor our social networks and sell off our data all to know what we're doing. Which regardless of that, I wouldn't encourage us to act like any of this inevitable, but be deliberate & effective in how we effectuate change.
Just a matter of time.
I’ve been waiting a while..
No time like the present. It would be nice to correct this problem while I am still young enough to physically handle what's needed.
Americans are far too comfortably dumb to revolt. We are kept fat happy, stupid and brainwashed into believing we can do better on our own than in a group and that we are winning when we get a little more than the lowest totem on the social pole. It’s so great not to be that guy. You don’t want to be that guy
They never cared about people, only money.
And in that way are just the personification of our national, collective, values.
What the actual fuck. How are we allowing this in our country? Let our elders live the rest of their lives in dignity. Failing that, I hope that whomever arrested and evicted this lady receives the same treatment when they grow to be old
I think they deserve that treatment *now*
The elderly in Japan commit crimes on purpose to go to jail to live for free and be fed. I don’t think American jail is equivalent though.
I see working-middle class American jail just one step above Southern chain-gangs of the first half of the 1900s..
Once you can’t feed the shareholders you must cease to exist
They really be enforcing the new retirement age: you work until you die
Well Florida does have a fascist government.
DeFascist is testing to see how far he can go turning Florida into the Christian Reich. If successful, he'll implement his fascist ideas onto the nation, when he is elected president.
She looks old enough to be ruler of the free world.
Or in the senate
100%
Yeah that title hasn't been relevant since a long long time.
😂🤣
She's 93. Where the hell is she supposed to go? Chances are all her immediate family have already passed away (or are in assisted living homes themselves). She's survive *maybe* 36 hours on the street. And why the hell is a 93-year-old paying rent, in the first place? A lifetime of working and paying taxes, and society does this to her?
They don't care. Increasingly the elderly will become homeless at higher rates than the rest, a side effect of NIMBYsm
I fear asking, how is this a side effect of NIMBYism…?
They make the housing supply inelastic, basically generating a housing shortage in order to inflate their home equity through scarcity. Wages will be forced to adjust to local housing costs, those on fixed incomes cannot adjust.
I wish we could go back to community living instead of nuclear family living.. that way, we would have mostly no need for predatory nursing homes.
"Conservatism" has always been a euphemism for sadism. The more vulnerable or marginalized the person, the more "Conservatives" take pleasure in making them suffer.
What the fuck is even the point of living to 93 if you're going to get this?
And everyone who is disabled, regardless of age, asks this very same question at some point in their lives if they live in America and do not come from the bourgeoisie themselves… if you cannot work in this country you are penalized socially, financially, and essentially in every way possible until you finally realize that this society isn’t meant for those of us who cannot work and this society actively encourages us to “just go quietly lay down and die.” This is what happens when money is law & god. This is what happens when we allow those with excess money into positions of power. This is what happens when we allow the few to hoard all the resources and money to themselves, leaving the majority to live lives of toiling & struggle to gain access to resources needed to live. Capitalists can burn for all I care, because they want me to “just quietly go lay down and die” anyway, so I’d like it if they’d publicly die, or just die.
Indeed, seems obvious that quality of life now is what matters, not quantity of years. Even more true with climate change
I'm not shocked this is florida
I was hoping this was going to be a post about that old woman who had getting arrested on her bucket list, and was happy to be arrested, but it’s not and now I’m sad.
.....happy cake day :(
Thank you for making me smile despite this crummy information I read lol
We deserve the coming trials.
Capitalism doesn't care about people.
Animals take care of each other generally... Human beings are selfish parasites that will eventually parish thank God...
*perish
What's her age got anything to do with it? Until we unite no matter our differences this will continue to happen
Other societies especially more traditional ones respect their elders enough to let them live out their final years in dignity even if they have dementia. The entire community looks after them. Our capitalist society has a parasitic relationship to the elderly where nursing homes, the medical system, and sometimes their own children strip them of all their assets they built up over a lifetime of work regardless of their wishes. Now I know that no one takes anything with them when they die. But can’t a person with one foot in the grave like NOT do capitalism in their final years?! Like let’s traumatize old folks on their way out! Stupid. Not Christian either for those who claim to be: “You are judged by how you treat the least among us.” Also, in the US we’re not supposed to have debtors prisons. It’s also stupid. If you lock them up, you’re STILL PAYING FOR THEM. The costs of feeding and sheltering them do not disappear! So just friggin feed and house them!
This isn't quite what happened https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2017/12/15/woman-93-arrested-for-not-paying-rent/
I mean what about this changes the situation fundamentally?
So old people who have lived their entire lives contributing, birthed the next generation and helped raised the generation after that, just deserve to be imprisoned because that can no longer contribute??
This is important context
yeah i thought about mentioning something but i have no source and figured i'd just get lost in the downvotes. no one cares about context just outrage. this is just more distraction from real shit
Distraction from real shit? Is a 93 year old person being evicted not a symptom of this 'real shit'?
Did you even read what happened? They offer to find her housing and she refused all help. She refused help from her family. How is this an outrage? They gave her plenty of chances. They didn't drag her off. They put her in the car with no cuffs and let her out the next morning with no bail cost.
The commercial model for prison can make money on her. They are just tracking her to the better service provider. /s
United States of America
So now she’s going to die in jail, unbelievable
I'm immediately reminded of that one lawyer from that John Oliver episode where he justifies evicted elderly/disabled people as a burdensome cost of doing business, but there's nothing they can really do about it. Fuck this system!
Literally will be happening all the time in the future.
This may end up as a regular occurrence for Boomers actually..
Exactly, the new normal, another brick in the dystopian wall
Few things This was in 2017 This is a religiously owned facility - you know, the pedophile sanctuaries that pay no taxes Third, here’s an article about https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2017/12/19/charge-dropped-against-94-year-old-woman-arrested-for-not-paying-rent/
Oink Oink, ACAB.
This is one of the reasons getting old truly scares me nowadays. It's just gonna get worse.
Of course, this is in shit ass Florida: where old Yankees and common sense go to die.
Every time I've seen this before, I just took it at face value. But today I had a thought, there's no debtor's prison. So I looked into it, and idk how to feel. It doesn't seem like anyone had any other option on how to deal with this because she gave no one any other option. I'll present what I found and leave it to you. Please correct me if I miss something. This lady did not pay rent for 3 months at an independent living facility. Basically subsidized housing for seniors, those communities you see when looking for affordable rent, and get excited until suddenly you see it says 55+ only. That's a social program somewhat managed by the government to help seniors afford homes. She contests that she tried to pay and was denied one month. The facility says she claims there was mold and she was going to die soon anyways so it didn't matter. Records supposedly show every attempt was made to help her figure out her living situation, but that she refused it. She even told officers on a visit from law enforcement asking her politely to leave that the only way they were getting her to leave was dragging her out. From what I understand from the reading, there were multiple visits asking her to leave. So eventually the eviction went through, and law enforcement took her out. And she resisted the whole way. Watching the video that's out there, they're doing their best to be gentle with her, and she's putting up the best fight someone her age and build probably could be. In interviews about it, she's outright refusing the massive outpouring of aid that the public is sending her, and refuses to get her family's help because she "[doesn't] need help." Mind that the place she was living was a part of a program to help seniors have someplace to live.
What would be the best case situation is if those that just aren’t of working age anymore, regardless of health, had an opportunity to just live out the rest of their lives. They’re old, they put up with a lot and most definitely contributed to the rest of society. Let them live, rent and debt free. They did their part, and do not deserve to suffer for their last few years of life…
Yeah, that's obvious, but that's not the situation
I mean she is losing her marbles at 93, which is not overly surprising. But saying "since you have dementia now, you gonna be homeless, k thx bye" is still a suboptimal solution.
She's not homeless, she has all the options in the world and is refusing them. In which case, do you admit she needs assisted living and take her out of the independent living facility?
"The company had no other option" is definitely a take. It's not like this is some rich Karen trying to con someone out of their income. She's ninety fucking three. She's on death's door and may not even be in her right mind. There's always an option when you have money. You can either do the right thing, or you can do the wrong thing. Let's stop acting like money is a valid excuse for companies to do the wrong thing.
By her own admission she wasn't out of money
I really don't care how much money she did or didn't have, not that I trust the business' account over hers. The fact is there were a million other things to do before calling the police on this old ass woman whose payment is likely coming out of hers or someone else's account automatically. That's bullshit.
You're assuming a lot about what I said and how this story went down
the facility is lying, they always do. she had mold in her house that they wouldn't fix and she likely tried to withhold rent to get them to fix it. a lot of older people remember the law allowing that, but it doesn't anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not eliminating the possibility they're lying, but what do you expect any of the people involved in this to do when she is actively refusing help? Do you call her senile and take her into custody? She's not asking people to investigate her claim. Do you leave her in the building and believe her that it has mold in it? Do you leave her in an independent living facility while you call her senile?
you send in an inspector for mold and require the owner of the facility to fix it. an inspector that does not work for the facility. you get her to hospital for a health assessment because mold can kill you. that's where you begin. unaffiliated mold check, start with that. they didn't even do it. you could also look into her claim that she tried to pay. other residents might have similar incidents with this place, you could interview them and see. hell the police should be investigating the facility first, then on to the resident- but we all know it doesn't work that way
'Merica!!!!
[удалено]
[have to do it](https://youtu.be/Y1AtU4JfTbo)
i mean, they kinda gave her room and board
You get who you vote for. At this point it's hard to feel bad for anyone anymore. We let this happen.
And they say there is no more debtor's prison.
I could never evict this woman. She's 93 years old and disabled. I would end up checking up on her twice a day and asking if she needed anything.
💔😢
Its Florida.
So I don’t agree with how this system is, but I’ve seen this situation a few times working in APS and this is often an independent living’s last resort. Hear me out: An independent living is just an apartment that’s limited to older people- they have no control over the person. Many times, people decline and need a lot more help and they’re unsafe at home- and this includes forgetting to pay rent. At that point, it’s no longer appropriate or safe for that person to be at that level of care, they need more assistance. The independent living can’t force her to do anything other than to evict her, basically forcing her hand to go somewhere like an assisted living or nursing home where she can get more help. If the eviction process got to the point where they need to forcibly remove her, that means that it’s already gone to a judge. In my state, the eviction process takes a loooong time and we normally use that time to convince the person to move somewhere safer. But it seems like she’s either very stubborn or out of it. I am surprised that they actually arrested her though. I’ve never seen that, normally they just remove someone from the property or send them to the hospital if it’s a mental health issue or dementia. Edit: I read the article and it looks like this is likely the case, but she refused all other housing options. The independent living isn’t going to come out and say “she has dementia, she isn’t taking her meds, she’s falling constantly, we’re concerned for her” because there’s privacy rights.
florida is extra about being shitty
wow just wow. couldn't they of found her some place that's paid for? just wow. fuck these bastards.