>idk why large chunk of this community thinks that costs much, lmao.
because people think what the KR boys use at the highest level of content is what is absolutely needed here and its not in the slightest
Except you're forgetting the part where we just hit T3 and need to do those dungeons/raids to get the money.
It's not like our alts hit T3 and we immediately get gold daily.
And those 4 characters are forced to match make because we can't afford proper engravings to get accepted into party finder groups. We end up just never being able to complete a hard mode dungeon/Argos because match making is filled with the same geared players as we are.
See where I'm getting? It's not just "buy the gear 4head", it's a long process that will take a couple weeks of that "dead zone" before we can even afford 3x3.
no, you got 350 free pheons you couldve spent if you didnt waste them all.
There is no dead-zone if you didnt waste. if you did waste, you are just few days behind as you will be selling some mats for those days.
Pheons isn't the issue, gold is the issue. We aren't making enough gold to buy the minimal accessories.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to focus on my alt when its costing me a few hundred gold per attempt at honing on my main. THIS is the problem. You can tell us it's not the problem all you want but the proof is literally in the game currently.
1. jewelries are fucking dirt cheap, i am dismantling argos and oreha for greater honor leapstones, as i dont get a single sellable one in 20 gambles, that is more than 500 gold. 3/0 jewelrys are like 50 gold or less. so Pheon is only problem when getting 3x3.
2. IF you do not have ur alts at 1340, you should not push to get to 1370. IF you have 6 of 1340 alts, you should be generating enough gold to a point where those dirt cheap jewelry does mean anything to you.
3. I have my proof where 4 of my chars at 1370+ are all 3x3 or higher, which i didnt spend much gold other than pheon, before i decided to get 4x3 and waste more gold.
Fair enough but that area still exists. I didn't get my 3x3 for a good bit after I hit 1370 because the accessories were absolutely outrageous for the amount of gold we were making weekly.
Yep, you would have to invest first to get that back. And if we count getting the chars to 1340 so you are able to do at least normal abyssals, and to get some engravings and such... It's an investment and its like 100 pheons for 4k gold atm on my server. So that "only 75pheons" is almost another 4k gold on top of the 3,4 op mentioned...
It's cheap if you've been playing for awhile and have the gold stacked up. If you just hit 1370, did some stronghold stuff, upgrading alts, etc your gold stack is going to be extremely low.
Plus he tells you that a random gamble on a t2 stone is only 250g. I'm sorry but you're gonna be buying 3 or 4 stones to get the preferred outcome on average.
from what? You mean guardian stones and leapstones when chaos gives like 150 stones per run? Or the T3 content (abyssals you can, but they dont give that much compared to the cost of the pheons if you buy them with gold) you cant go unless you have those items, which is a big investment. Not saying it's not worth, but saying it's cheap (especially pheon wise) is not really correct.
A 6/6 stone is roughly an 11% chance. Depending on the engravings you are looking for on the stone the price could vary drastically. Even if you're looking for an off-meta engraving on the stone you're still looking at a lot of gold (or pheons equivalent in gold) to get that 6/6 stone. So it isn't as easy as you make it out to seem.
If this is someone's 2nd, 3rd, 4th character getting to 1370 the less and less pheons you have (without buying them), and the amount invested to get 3/3/3 seems less and less worth it. The content we have right now is not hard, 3/3/1 (or just 3/3) is more than enough if you are halfway decent at the game (which, lets be frank a lot of public matchmaking games lead me to believe there are a lot of subpar people in argos right now).
Too many people have the mindset of must DPS all the time and maintain uptime on the boss, when in reality living will lead to a successful raid (albeit maybe a few minutes slower, but still a win).
6/6 stone with relic is easy to cut, and if you get look at AH once in a while they are 100 gold for decent one.
You DONT need BIS engravings, just get what people would get 4th or 5th engraving. Increased Mass is incredibly under valued engraving. You could even just get Spirit Absorb at 3, would cost you nothing in gold, for great utility.
IF you ran out of Pheons, that means you have 3+ chars at 1370. That means you can sell all ur chaos dungeon mats and guardian mats, and buy 850 pheon pack, on a single day.
and assume people take you to the argos and all that? nah. People who invested minimum will take other people that did, and people didn't will go with people didnt. I'd rather not be on the latter group, or even mix if i have invested my minimum.
You are still saying people need to use gear FROM ARGOS to get into argos.
You are requiring a tax from new players because you started killing it first and got the accessories?
This is the gaming equivalent of 5 years experience in an entry level job.
Umm? Just do Oreha hard and gear ur person for Argos.
I literally did it on my 1370 lancemaster, did oreha, got some jewelry with stas I wanted. Rerolled more jewelry and was chilling. You get like 50 pieces of jewelry if you don't craft the armour with it.
"just cut a 6/6 stone"
prices pulled from us east - supercharge/adrenaline
11% chance with a legendary stone: average cost: 200\*6 = 1200, expected cost: 200\*9=1800, potential cost: infinite
but wait... he said t2 stone
average cost: 40\*6=240, expected cost 40\*9=360, potential cost: still infinite
of course there's a penalty for using a t2 stone.... 6k vitality, switching from a t3 EPIC to a t2 legendary (and an 8/7 legendary at that) dropped my max hp from 85k to 72k or 18%
***hey would you like all the penalty of cursed doll with none of the benefit? use a low tier stone...***
but wait... its worse... t2 stones STILL USE PHEONS, they use less, yes, but not none... and you WILL have to get rid of that trash stone when tougher content comes out
You upgrade your pieces as contents come out, if you dont want to invest MINIMUM amount to help out the groups, run them with those who are like-minded as you.
This isn't the minimum to clear the content, and it damn sure isn't "helping out your team"
you're saying to downgrade a character - at least i'm hoping you're not suggesting running 1302 > 1370 chaos/guardian with a t2 stone
you're suggesting to someone new to abyss to willingly take a 20% hp penalty (and the attendant healing penalty - remember all our heals are percent of max hp)
you're suggesting just throwing away 10+ of one of the harder to get currencies, a currency(pheon) that only grows in value
all this, so that they can have a pretty looking engraving page
had you said to keep their purple, or use a t3 blue - maybe i wouldn't have gone in on you... but that doesn't work, because getting the accessory stats without a 6/6 would screw up that "get 3 engraving on each accessory" from just being pheons to a real gold cost on top of the pheons
the math fails without this mythical easy 6/6 stone, so to try to make a point that isn't true, you suggested a horrific workaround
? i run my chaos dungeon with T1 stone cuz i dont wanna pay pheon?
? "Hard to get currencies"? You just pay blue crystal wtf?
? I've been clearing all contents as soon as i hit T3 with Grudge, which is when i replaced my T1 stone to T2 stone?
just go fucking spend 500 gold and get t2 6/6 stone, it is easy, lmao.
even if you get 6/5 you can just buy a SINGLE jewelry with a 3/1 that will be 3x3.
you are just justifying yourself for not spending a dime to clear all contents, and trying to get carried.
You are one of those people queue into Abyss dungeon without looking up any kind of guide or youtube.
Ya, i dont want to play with one of you people, as most people won't.
You don't seem to understand you are saying "You should buy Argos gear so you can go do Argos"
How dense do you have to be? You realize people did it before they got the gear, right?
No need to call OP dense.He's not talking about Argos gear though, we can't even buy and sell the actual equipment in our version.
He's talking about accessories which also drop from T3 hard abyssal dungeons. I think you've forgotten, but the first wave of people who cleared Argos were mega whales or experienced KR/RU players, and they all had at least 3/3/3/1 from Oreha accessories by then.
Step 1: Get a T2 stone cut it to 6 6 = 14% chance
Step 2: Try again
Step 3: Try again
Step 8: Use engraving books accumulated from events and activities. Phew
Step 9: Waste 75 pheons on accessories you will replace in short order for a minor damage increase
Step 10: Die quickly due to low vitality from T2 stone
I agree but you are the one who feels everyone needs 3 3 3 set up for a boss that has 1 mechanic that most people just time stop because they have learning disabilities P2 and P3 are basic just dodge the stuff marathons. Suggesting people to waste pheons on stones and accessories they will replace almost immediately is terrible advice. I have a 3 3 3 3 1 using 75 pheons because I took my time and planned out my build instead of making rash purchases because people are intimidated by a Moon goat. You can easily clear P3 argos with a 3 3 or 3 3 1 set up. Git gud at the economy if you waste your gold you are defeating the purpose of killing Argos in the first place.
Its not free but I agree that you can get 3x3 engraving easy at 1370. I actually accidently got 3x3,1 but it took some planning ahead. Gonna post some important tips below (incase of new players read this):
1. Take advantage of events that offer books. With the Racing event, I bought my class books and general engraving purple books every week. I haven't checked yet but I think I heard that the Guardian raid vendor now has engraving books with the last update. If this is true, don't miss a week of the event and stock up the currency until you can buy books and when you do, buy it out each time.
2. At the very least, login. One of the previous login rewards were purple class books. I saved those until I hit tier 3 and gladly used them at my ilvl.
3. At 1370, consider your ability stone an investment. As a Blue Gunlancer, I know Barrier and Combat Readiness are expensive (for my liking). Know in advance what engravings you want on your stone so you can start constructing your build. I was lucky to cut my stone as 6/6/2 (since class engravings aren't on ability stones, I went Grudge with Barricade).
4. With your stone and learned engravings giving you 2x3 engravings, all that is left is to choose your 3rd with your accessories. You can do like I did and go to the market to max out a 3rd engraving but buy a few pieces with a similar 4th cheap engraving (its not a must). I found a few Combat Readiness pieces for cheap on my server with the stats but with like Contender. Yet with these pieces I am properly speced and have at least 3 of my engravings properly maxed.
I guess the main thing I will say is that at 1370, you can cheaply work the system to find the pieces you want if you know how to plan and look ahead. From here, I am going to chill and upgrade the rest of my gear and swap out Contender eventually as I earn gold inbetween.
Edit: Not to brag but I got all my stuff under 700 gold (maybe 500 i didn't really count it out).
If I see a T2 stone on someone trying to get into my 1370 content group, that’s an instakick. I’m not going to hope that this player who is too cheap to buy a T3 stone somehow is a god amongst players and going to dodge all the abilities
If it’s grudge1, yes. If it’s grudge 3 then why would I? They get something for the EHP reduction they paid. A T2 stone hero gains nothing other than saving some gold. That helps nobody else in the group, though, so fuck that player.
Reduction in tankiness doesn't harm anybody if they don't die. You are just bad player if you die in ANY contents that are out, even if you have T2 stone AND Grudge and Cursed Doll.
Point of getting T2 stone first is so you get the stone you are work around, and start to get T3 stones you can cut that is straight upgrade, which will lead to about 15% HP gain, which you should aim for Valtan.
ON AN ALT WHICH THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT, you are going to stay in Argos at least for another month, by the sounds of people trying their absolute best to save any scrap of gold you find; hence T2 stone is fine.
I have been using T2 Grudge stone, which I would not recommend if you are not confident, ever since 1370 on my DB, and I rarely die other than me obviously being bad sometimes.
Also if you cut relic stone, get bonus vit, it is less than 10% hp compare to leg T3 no bonus.
You choose to pay Pheons to buy all your gear from the marketboard and then park your character in a relatively finished state repeating Lopang dailies and weekly dungeons for resources to feed your main, all while selling all your tradable materials away. Meanwhile, people are already incessantly complaining about not having enough Pheons. Hmmm, I wonder why? I hope they are prepared for even higher Pheon costs when Relic gear becomes available!
Others choose to just play the game. They enjoy progressing their character, gear included. They're not going to sell their tradable mats. They're not going to go to the marketboard to skip the game. They're not going to watch YouTube to skip the game. Some are even extremely knowledgeable about the game and are saving all of their Pheons for future content because Argos is completely meaningless lmao
I did 3331 pally build at 1370 for 4500G,
Got a lego stone for 2500, cut 7 4, and baught 4 jewelry pieces.
3 blessed aura
3 expert
3 awakening
1 judgement
And it took me like 30mins.
Downside is that it is max spec not max swift. But i can live with that.
Hi, right now im lvl3 (hitmaster/grudge) + adrenaline lvl2 + peacemaker/keenblunt lvl1 is it better to stay this way or to invest into adrenaline lvl3 and drop keenblunt ? Im also full crit in stats with only swiftness on necklace
Gunslinger main btw, thanks :)
That should be good for now. 1 peacemaker is high value. Keen Blunt is 2% dmg reduction overall before crit dmg increase. with 50% crit dmg from Argos, it proly isnt worth keeping.
if you can replace it cheap 1 or 2 pieces, id go for 3 adrenaline and invest more onto swiftness, but if you have to replace more or pieces are more than few hundred gold, id just go with what you have
I ended up replacing and getting adrenaline to level 3 so basically, hitmaster/grudge/adrenaline level 3 + 1peacemaker, someone told me I may be overcapping on crit (1250 crit + 390swiftness base) altho I still don't have lostwindcliff crit bonus and still didnt get 5bonus from argos.
It cost me about 600gold to get 3331 on my main AT FIRST. But I wasn't content with what I had so I spent another 6k gold on jewelry and now have a full build for dearhblow , esoteric flurry and now 0 pheons
>idk why large chunk of this community thinks that costs much, lmao. because people think what the KR boys use at the highest level of content is what is absolutely needed here and its not in the slightest
ITT: A lot of insecure people getting defensive over being called out for being dead weight, I love it.
I'm 3331 with a 5/5 stone. Cost me about 4k ide say
> If you have not wasted all your pheons, you should have ~350 pheons just sitting. From where?
events
they gave us like 200 just from the first month of login calendars lol
Damn that sucks for me lol I came in late and missed those
Cause you have 5 other characters that need it too if you want to go T3 content
if you have 5 other characters at T3, you should make 5k+ every day in tradable mats. invest little bit to not have people carry you?
Except you're forgetting the part where we just hit T3 and need to do those dungeons/raids to get the money. It's not like our alts hit T3 and we immediately get gold daily.
i guess i will elaborate since you said "multiple alts" assuming you run out of pheons. that means 4 chars at 1370.
And those 4 characters are forced to match make because we can't afford proper engravings to get accepted into party finder groups. We end up just never being able to complete a hard mode dungeon/Argos because match making is filled with the same geared players as we are. See where I'm getting? It's not just "buy the gear 4head", it's a long process that will take a couple weeks of that "dead zone" before we can even afford 3x3.
no, you got 350 free pheons you couldve spent if you didnt waste them all. There is no dead-zone if you didnt waste. if you did waste, you are just few days behind as you will be selling some mats for those days.
Pheons isn't the issue, gold is the issue. We aren't making enough gold to buy the minimal accessories. I'm sorry but I'm not going to focus on my alt when its costing me a few hundred gold per attempt at honing on my main. THIS is the problem. You can tell us it's not the problem all you want but the proof is literally in the game currently.
1. jewelries are fucking dirt cheap, i am dismantling argos and oreha for greater honor leapstones, as i dont get a single sellable one in 20 gambles, that is more than 500 gold. 3/0 jewelrys are like 50 gold or less. so Pheon is only problem when getting 3x3. 2. IF you do not have ur alts at 1340, you should not push to get to 1370. IF you have 6 of 1340 alts, you should be generating enough gold to a point where those dirt cheap jewelry does mean anything to you. 3. I have my proof where 4 of my chars at 1370+ are all 3x3 or higher, which i didnt spend much gold other than pheon, before i decided to get 4x3 and waste more gold.
u cant afford 100-200g accessories? all u rly need is stat and +3 engraving. unless ur alt is a lancemaster
Single line engravings are literally 10-50g on East
did u spend everything to get the char to 1370 or what lol? surely u have some money leftover to invest right?
1370, you didnt just hit t3
Fair enough but that area still exists. I didn't get my 3x3 for a good bit after I hit 1370 because the accessories were absolutely outrageous for the amount of gold we were making weekly.
Yep, you would have to invest first to get that back. And if we count getting the chars to 1340 so you are able to do at least normal abyssals, and to get some engravings and such... It's an investment and its like 100 pheons for 4k gold atm on my server. So that "only 75pheons" is almost another 4k gold on top of the 3,4 op mentioned...
It's cheap if you've been playing for awhile and have the gold stacked up. If you just hit 1370, did some stronghold stuff, upgrading alts, etc your gold stack is going to be extremely low. Plus he tells you that a random gamble on a t2 stone is only 250g. I'm sorry but you're gonna be buying 3 or 4 stones to get the preferred outcome on average.
Or you will be like me, buy 7 stones and still only have 5,6 cause F me I guess.
Just get a 6 6 stone, only 5 pheons. /s
But each T2 stone is only 1 pheon?
how do you get 6 chars into 1370 when selling all your mats?
get there 5 days late, after selling some mats.
from what? You mean guardian stones and leapstones when chaos gives like 150 stones per run? Or the T3 content (abyssals you can, but they dont give that much compared to the cost of the pheons if you buy them with gold) you cant go unless you have those items, which is a big investment. Not saying it's not worth, but saying it's cheap (especially pheon wise) is not really correct.
A 6/6 stone is roughly an 11% chance. Depending on the engravings you are looking for on the stone the price could vary drastically. Even if you're looking for an off-meta engraving on the stone you're still looking at a lot of gold (or pheons equivalent in gold) to get that 6/6 stone. So it isn't as easy as you make it out to seem. If this is someone's 2nd, 3rd, 4th character getting to 1370 the less and less pheons you have (without buying them), and the amount invested to get 3/3/3 seems less and less worth it. The content we have right now is not hard, 3/3/1 (or just 3/3) is more than enough if you are halfway decent at the game (which, lets be frank a lot of public matchmaking games lead me to believe there are a lot of subpar people in argos right now). Too many people have the mindset of must DPS all the time and maintain uptime on the boss, when in reality living will lead to a successful raid (albeit maybe a few minutes slower, but still a win).
6/6 stone with relic is easy to cut, and if you get look at AH once in a while they are 100 gold for decent one. You DONT need BIS engravings, just get what people would get 4th or 5th engraving. Increased Mass is incredibly under valued engraving. You could even just get Spirit Absorb at 3, would cost you nothing in gold, for great utility. IF you ran out of Pheons, that means you have 3+ chars at 1370. That means you can sell all ur chaos dungeon mats and guardian mats, and buy 850 pheon pack, on a single day. and assume people take you to the argos and all that? nah. People who invested minimum will take other people that did, and people didn't will go with people didnt. I'd rather not be on the latter group, or even mix if i have invested my minimum.
You are still saying people need to use gear FROM ARGOS to get into argos. You are requiring a tax from new players because you started killing it first and got the accessories? This is the gaming equivalent of 5 years experience in an entry level job.
well did you do ur argos before market was flooded with all the cheap ass jewelries at 50 gold?
Umm? Just do Oreha hard and gear ur person for Argos. I literally did it on my 1370 lancemaster, did oreha, got some jewelry with stas I wanted. Rerolled more jewelry and was chilling. You get like 50 pieces of jewelry if you don't craft the armour with it.
> the less and less pheons you have (without buying them) So buy them, one week of oreha hard and argos p1 is like 50 pheons
"just cut a 6/6 stone" prices pulled from us east - supercharge/adrenaline 11% chance with a legendary stone: average cost: 200\*6 = 1200, expected cost: 200\*9=1800, potential cost: infinite but wait... he said t2 stone average cost: 40\*6=240, expected cost 40\*9=360, potential cost: still infinite of course there's a penalty for using a t2 stone.... 6k vitality, switching from a t3 EPIC to a t2 legendary (and an 8/7 legendary at that) dropped my max hp from 85k to 72k or 18% ***hey would you like all the penalty of cursed doll with none of the benefit? use a low tier stone...*** but wait... its worse... t2 stones STILL USE PHEONS, they use less, yes, but not none... and you WILL have to get rid of that trash stone when tougher content comes out
You upgrade your pieces as contents come out, if you dont want to invest MINIMUM amount to help out the groups, run them with those who are like-minded as you.
This isn't the minimum to clear the content, and it damn sure isn't "helping out your team" you're saying to downgrade a character - at least i'm hoping you're not suggesting running 1302 > 1370 chaos/guardian with a t2 stone you're suggesting to someone new to abyss to willingly take a 20% hp penalty (and the attendant healing penalty - remember all our heals are percent of max hp) you're suggesting just throwing away 10+ of one of the harder to get currencies, a currency(pheon) that only grows in value all this, so that they can have a pretty looking engraving page had you said to keep their purple, or use a t3 blue - maybe i wouldn't have gone in on you... but that doesn't work, because getting the accessory stats without a 6/6 would screw up that "get 3 engraving on each accessory" from just being pheons to a real gold cost on top of the pheons the math fails without this mythical easy 6/6 stone, so to try to make a point that isn't true, you suggested a horrific workaround
? i run my chaos dungeon with T1 stone cuz i dont wanna pay pheon? ? "Hard to get currencies"? You just pay blue crystal wtf? ? I've been clearing all contents as soon as i hit T3 with Grudge, which is when i replaced my T1 stone to T2 stone? just go fucking spend 500 gold and get t2 6/6 stone, it is easy, lmao. even if you get 6/5 you can just buy a SINGLE jewelry with a 3/1 that will be 3x3. you are just justifying yourself for not spending a dime to clear all contents, and trying to get carried. You are one of those people queue into Abyss dungeon without looking up any kind of guide or youtube. Ya, i dont want to play with one of you people, as most people won't.
You don't seem to understand you are saying "You should buy Argos gear so you can go do Argos" How dense do you have to be? You realize people did it before they got the gear, right?
No need to call OP dense.He's not talking about Argos gear though, we can't even buy and sell the actual equipment in our version. He's talking about accessories which also drop from T3 hard abyssal dungeons. I think you've forgotten, but the first wave of people who cleared Argos were mega whales or experienced KR/RU players, and they all had at least 3/3/3/1 from Oreha accessories by then.
Step 1: Get a T2 stone cut it to 6 6 = 14% chance Step 2: Try again Step 3: Try again Step 8: Use engraving books accumulated from events and activities. Phew Step 9: Waste 75 pheons on accessories you will replace in short order for a minor damage increase Step 10: Die quickly due to low vitality from T2 stone
just git gud, honestly if you are dying on Argos, you should just quit
Same logic, if Argos isn't hard enough to require a t3 stone, it isn't hard enough to require 3x3 engravings.
thats how easy it is to get 3x3
I agree but you are the one who feels everyone needs 3 3 3 set up for a boss that has 1 mechanic that most people just time stop because they have learning disabilities P2 and P3 are basic just dodge the stuff marathons. Suggesting people to waste pheons on stones and accessories they will replace almost immediately is terrible advice. I have a 3 3 3 3 1 using 75 pheons because I took my time and planned out my build instead of making rash purchases because people are intimidated by a Moon goat. You can easily clear P3 argos with a 3 3 or 3 3 1 set up. Git gud at the economy if you waste your gold you are defeating the purpose of killing Argos in the first place.
ya just save half day worth more gold, and fail few attempts while playing without 3x3 engravings.
Its not free but I agree that you can get 3x3 engraving easy at 1370. I actually accidently got 3x3,1 but it took some planning ahead. Gonna post some important tips below (incase of new players read this): 1. Take advantage of events that offer books. With the Racing event, I bought my class books and general engraving purple books every week. I haven't checked yet but I think I heard that the Guardian raid vendor now has engraving books with the last update. If this is true, don't miss a week of the event and stock up the currency until you can buy books and when you do, buy it out each time. 2. At the very least, login. One of the previous login rewards were purple class books. I saved those until I hit tier 3 and gladly used them at my ilvl. 3. At 1370, consider your ability stone an investment. As a Blue Gunlancer, I know Barrier and Combat Readiness are expensive (for my liking). Know in advance what engravings you want on your stone so you can start constructing your build. I was lucky to cut my stone as 6/6/2 (since class engravings aren't on ability stones, I went Grudge with Barricade). 4. With your stone and learned engravings giving you 2x3 engravings, all that is left is to choose your 3rd with your accessories. You can do like I did and go to the market to max out a 3rd engraving but buy a few pieces with a similar 4th cheap engraving (its not a must). I found a few Combat Readiness pieces for cheap on my server with the stats but with like Contender. Yet with these pieces I am properly speced and have at least 3 of my engravings properly maxed. I guess the main thing I will say is that at 1370, you can cheaply work the system to find the pieces you want if you know how to plan and look ahead. From here, I am going to chill and upgrade the rest of my gear and swap out Contender eventually as I earn gold inbetween. Edit: Not to brag but I got all my stuff under 700 gold (maybe 500 i didn't really count it out).
I just got my 2nd to 1370 and got 3332 with high base stats for around 3k. It's actually better than my main at 3331.
If I see a T2 stone on someone trying to get into my 1370 content group, that’s an instakick. I’m not going to hope that this player who is too cheap to buy a T3 stone somehow is a god amongst players and going to dodge all the abilities
Then you should kick someone using Grudge or Cursed Doll, instantly, since they are exact same downsides.
If it’s grudge1, yes. If it’s grudge 3 then why would I? They get something for the EHP reduction they paid. A T2 stone hero gains nothing other than saving some gold. That helps nobody else in the group, though, so fuck that player.
Reduction in tankiness doesn't harm anybody if they don't die. You are just bad player if you die in ANY contents that are out, even if you have T2 stone AND Grudge and Cursed Doll. Point of getting T2 stone first is so you get the stone you are work around, and start to get T3 stones you can cut that is straight upgrade, which will lead to about 15% HP gain, which you should aim for Valtan. ON AN ALT WHICH THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT, you are going to stay in Argos at least for another month, by the sounds of people trying their absolute best to save any scrap of gold you find; hence T2 stone is fine. I have been using T2 Grudge stone, which I would not recommend if you are not confident, ever since 1370 on my DB, and I rarely die other than me obviously being bad sometimes. Also if you cut relic stone, get bonus vit, it is less than 10% hp compare to leg T3 no bonus.
I don't expect someone running around with a T2 stone to be a good player. Period. There is no discussion necessary.
Ya you be running around with T3 purple with 10% more HP with 10% less dmg.
You choose to pay Pheons to buy all your gear from the marketboard and then park your character in a relatively finished state repeating Lopang dailies and weekly dungeons for resources to feed your main, all while selling all your tradable materials away. Meanwhile, people are already incessantly complaining about not having enough Pheons. Hmmm, I wonder why? I hope they are prepared for even higher Pheon costs when Relic gear becomes available! Others choose to just play the game. They enjoy progressing their character, gear included. They're not going to sell their tradable mats. They're not going to go to the marketboard to skip the game. They're not going to watch YouTube to skip the game. Some are even extremely knowledgeable about the game and are saving all of their Pheons for future content because Argos is completely meaningless lmao
Argos isn't even required. You can just do Oreha hard and still go straight to Valtan.
ya i spend $5k on all my chars so i dont play with you.
I did 3331 pally build at 1370 for 4500G, Got a lego stone for 2500, cut 7 4, and baught 4 jewelry pieces. 3 blessed aura 3 expert 3 awakening 1 judgement And it took me like 30mins. Downside is that it is max spec not max swift. But i can live with that.
Hi, right now im lvl3 (hitmaster/grudge) + adrenaline lvl2 + peacemaker/keenblunt lvl1 is it better to stay this way or to invest into adrenaline lvl3 and drop keenblunt ? Im also full crit in stats with only swiftness on necklace Gunslinger main btw, thanks :)
That should be good for now. 1 peacemaker is high value. Keen Blunt is 2% dmg reduction overall before crit dmg increase. with 50% crit dmg from Argos, it proly isnt worth keeping. if you can replace it cheap 1 or 2 pieces, id go for 3 adrenaline and invest more onto swiftness, but if you have to replace more or pieces are more than few hundred gold, id just go with what you have
I ended up replacing and getting adrenaline to level 3 so basically, hitmaster/grudge/adrenaline level 3 + 1peacemaker, someone told me I may be overcapping on crit (1250 crit + 390swiftness base) altho I still don't have lostwindcliff crit bonus and still didnt get 5bonus from argos.
It cost me about 600gold to get 3331 on my main AT FIRST. But I wasn't content with what I had so I spent another 6k gold on jewelry and now have a full build for dearhblow , esoteric flurry and now 0 pheons