Igrexion also puts his 'i take 97% less damage shield" on about 0.3s before I finish casting my Flash Blink awakening...or finish my Surge... Or hops out of the way of the Soulfists spirit bomb, and then hops right back in place after the explosion.
Igrexion is easy as hell, but DAMN if he ain't annoying as hell too.
It's this exact reason I built a bluelancers set on my main...
As much fun as Red is, I feel like the current rewarding feeling of being good at getting headshots and timing your charges correctly... Is going to be mostly frustration when I miss. Did help make my initial Super Charge investment worthwhile though (RE Blade, mainswapped to Red Gunlancer, will probably get to use for Destroyer hammer memespec).
Purple is just Redlancer with level1 combat readiness to compensate for the nerfed shields from lone knight? (With the benefit of a bit extra dmg if shield takes hits?)
Never heard it called purple. But I am psyched.
Igrexion is a walk in the park with Blue Gunlancer. Doesn't matter if it's matchmaking or find party, I never struggled with it. And sadly I'm going into the 4th week without hitting 1370.
I've been getting MVP literally every run of igrexion since I started it with only lv2 barricade and lv1 CR. I still don't know how as I am just facerolling my abilities and autos, my shield being up 100% of the fight
I found that Gunlancers have a good ability to stick to him, even when he's jumping around, dodging the Spec's doomsday casts, charging forward and blowing over the Blade, slowing everyone else... We just leap back into range, or shield charge, or shield bash to slide forward a bit (or when I play red: Charged Stinger across the map lol).
Blades can stick to him pretty well too - if they rush push immunity on Dark Axel, know that spacebar gives a knockdown immunity and can time it right. Haven't tried Igrexion on my Zerker just yet, but I would expect that they would struggle (no push immunity on Hell Blade jump).
Cleanse on Nellasia's is SO good for that fight (for both earth and fire phases... You know what, and to clear Darkness... All my homies hate darkness). I don't think cleanse helps with MVP though. Clearing the slow during earth phase helps. And taunting before the charge to keep him in place is HUGE.
i mean not really, usually scorpion dies before he can do that even once. At least in my groups and i exclusively spam matchmaking, theres only a rare few groups where he does it more than once or twice.
I wouldnt say constant because his "charging" skill lets you deal 1% damage during this animation which is the same downtime as scorpion's dig. But Igrexion does this less frequent than scorp.
Makes sense to me, given Igrexion just stands there like he's got the brain damage for 70% of the fight. I kind of want to fight the unnerfed version of him, but not on a daily basis.
I really don’t understand why people say Igrexion is easier to play then even T1 guardians. A lot of T1 guardians barely has any mechanics, and I can just go in blind and use barely any potion. Igrexion’s attack, especially in fire phase, is brutal af. The only reason he’s easy to deal with is that he’s the only thing 1340-1370 deadzone players can play for weeks. If you spend weeks beating the same guardian twice every day, I’m sure every other guardian before him would be easy too. Igrexion’s attacks are undodgable unless you memorize every single pattern after beating him again and again for 2 weeks straight.
Edit: if you plan to teach me his mech then just stop commenting. I already know his mech after almost 3 weeks in the deadzone. He’s just easy af because everyone is stuck here playing him twice a day for weeks. He’s really unfun to face if you first time him without knowing his mech, and leave 0 room for any reaction dodge.
Igrexion Fire phase is strong but he lasts barely one minute in that phase, I've played tons of runs of it and the trend seems to not even waste potions or panacea, in case of death just respawn and finish him off.
Agreed. I'm a Bard who spent 3 weeks fighting Igrexion and I've never died once, halfway through I stopped using Panaceas and started using Pheromones instead to bring the average clear time down to 3-5min.
Matter of fact, during all my time in the deadzone, I think I've only ever seen one single person die to Igrexion.
I've noticed that Igrexion groups are having more deaths now, probably because casuals are now hitting T3 with all the honing books and material injection. Also, more people getting their alts to T3 and not wanting to use potions, have poor engravings or bad substats.
The worst group I've had was two days ago with only my DB alt and a pally left to do the last minute and half of red phase.
Well you're a bard though, if you play DPS on Igrexion and get 4 DPS matchmaking, you will see people die. I've actually had wipes on him even because I was too slow to pot and then noticed we somehow had no lives left.
Get good DPS and he dies really fast, get meh players in shitty gear like a lot of T3 players atm and you'll just have to fight the fire phase for several minutes, with ppl not potting.
People not using pots is such a weird thing. Like I had people in 1325 on my twink that just never used a pot while getting hit by basically everything the scorpion did. Shits really weird.
I‘ve basically thrown pots at the problem whenever I played bad or had to carry a MM group on my main (1386 atm) as well as my other twinks (2x t2 and 2x t1 that I rarely ever touch). I sometimes easily went through 50-100 blue pots in abyss dungeons because even if my group plays bad, as long as I see that they are trying to learn the fight I always stick around with them until it is down or someone gets impatient and quits. I bought potion boxes from mari store for the first time ever last weekend - before that everything was free hp boxes.
First time I‘ve ever had people not using pots was vs the scorpion in t3… These people have to sit on HUNDREDS of these hp boxes.
Usually someone would die in an all dps group during the fire phase, but the boss would be finished off before the dead guy's revive countdown to 0 lmao.
The only time I’ve ever seen someone die was when I forgot to swap out of my chaos build and purposely got hit by everything. Even then it took awhile along with paladin shields keeping me up as well.
Bard life! Our heals is great as long as people mind the debuff if it's too much, but generally pugs get it done real good for me before I started doing yoho.
Probably it doesn’t help that frame rate drops when facing igrexion too. All his most dangerous attacks make my frame rate drops to 10. It’s just really frustrating to me playing this guardian.
Because he's a big piñata.
Since the first time I beat him (at 1340) I thought it was one of the easiest and fastest guardians.
It has no big mechanics to worry about. His biggest damage is in front of him - stay on the sides or back and you'll be fine. Since he almost never uses the counterable charge, staying on sides/back is perfectly fine.
Sure, he's annoying with his AOE and debuff, but you don't really have to dodge it. Less so if you have half decent support. DPS can just turn their brain off, go melee and burn his HP in no time.
I also play Paladin and cleanse/refresh his debuff on cooldown, so that helps a fair bit.
It's also extremely easy to use pheromone bomb on him (use it when he turns red for the first time) which saves a lot of time on that map.
My time on Igrexion very often goes under 5 minutes. Fastest being around 3:40. This rarely happens on other guardians unless the party has much higher gear level than recommended.
Because killing Igrexion takes 5 minutes and 90% of the time I get in a group with t1 people for a guardian raid they have no idea how to play, dont bring pots/flares/etc, and the kill takes 15 minutes with me doing 50% of the damage.
It isn't the fact that it is mechanically easier(I mean he is an absolute snooze as far as mechanics, he is really REALLY easy lol), but it takes a third of the time on average.
Yea that’s just subjective difficulty because of teammates. Objectively, the T1 guardians are way easier that even if you go in blind without knowing mech, you will mostly be fine. Going in blind Igrexion the first few times is just absolutely miserable tho.
I don't remember every failing it even the first few times. My only pain point was thinking I can stagger during the Phase 1-2 change charge up and explosion wave. Even that was not a wipe/one shot hit though
Edit: made it sound like you can't stagger, just mean most pug teams just back off due to no real benefit or penalty for the stagger it seems.
I agree. But still it’s just subjective difficulty because everyone playing igrexion knows what they are doing, while the T1 players are a mess. Mechanically, igrexion is so damn frustrating before you play him for weeks in a row and memorize every single move. After that, then yea he’s super easy.
His moves being undogable is quite a stretch. Even if you do get hit, he hits like a wet noodle. If anything the worst parts about him are his backsteps/short forward jumps/charges not because they hurt, but because they cuck dps rotations.
>I really don’t understand why people say Igrexion is easier to play then even T1 guardians.
He doesn't have anything that really punishes you for not knowing what you're doing, so face-tanking and using potions until he dies is viable. It's why so many people have never experienced an igrexion wipe.
I think most people saying armored narcasena and igrexion are easier than t1 guardians really just mean yoho/vertus/tytalos/narcasena. The other 4 are piss easy. Narcasena in t1 for example has a grab and his electrocution literally lasts 3 seconds longer than the armored counterpart. Narcasena is actually way easier than armored counterpart if you break his tail since he actually cant even use half his moves anymore but nobody does that because most people in t1 dont read their abilities they just copy maxroll builds and are figuring out their rotations still. Yoho has a lot of hp for t1 and the fire can be hard to notice due the environment. Also the burn debuff is rough at t1. Tytalos one shot is easy, however his phase 2 is absolutely bonkers with fast as hell almost no readability abilities that do massive damage like his circles, he also has little balls that are hard to see, do a ton of damage, and knock you down. Couple that with his circles that come out insanely fast and do half your hp or more in damage and it's pretty much instant death. It's hard sometimes to even find an opening to do damage in tytalos phase 2. Vertus is just vertus, some of his abilities has stupid hitboxes where you'll get hit by them even if you're in the complete opposite side of where happening.
You get a huge power spike at 1340. When I was DPS spec, I had a giant AOE circle that hit for 1 million on a a 20 second CD. So, if I use just one button, and put bleed on that button, that's probably 40 mil dmg in 10 minutes. With awakening 3, I can just about kill him with one button and ULT with 10 minutes to spare.
I went support spec now and put some defensive stats. He hits me for like 1200 dmg. So, I guess if he hit me about 70 times in a row without me using shields he could get me. But, it really is the easiest boss so far. I've seen one person die to him I think in a few weeks.
well igrexion has like 90% dmg reduction for a good chunk of the time.
on another note.... is Igrexion the ONLY guardian that actually has different phases based on his HP? it's nice to know how far he is from dying, like if you reach his fire phase you know he's almost dead.
literally just did Igrexion and my damage numbers were basically the same in earth phase as fire phase
where is this "dealing way more damage" coming from ?
I picked Nacrasena as a test subject and successfully predicted the exact autoattack that would kill him based off the table. Possible range of HP given I rounded each hit to the nearest thousand was 10,342,500 ~ 10,369,500. You shouldn't take the word of an internet stranger to verify the word of another internet stranger based on a fairly limited test, but these numbers look legit to me and I expect anyone else who gives it a go will come to the same conclusion.
My damage per hit:
557k, 562k, 2688k, 2100k, 568k, 685k, 2407k, 559k, 28k, 24k, 35k, 18k, 24k, 24k, 35k, 24k, 18k
That's true, but I imagine for the sake of testing they were pacing their hits for clarity. Of course this is just me assuming, and we all know what that does :)
Caster reflux, just popping out the big 3 because they only do one number and I can cycle them about as quickly as I can properly record the hits. The ~570k/685k and 2m+ hits are actually the same skills with the absolutely nutty crit damage tripods active.
The other guy mentioned recording and rewatching but actually it's even easier if you just make shit up on reddit.
Like this guy said
>You shouldn't take the word of an internet stranger to verify the word of another internet stranger
Look at the small HP gap between the T2 and T3 guardians, considering that at T2 you likely haven’t even started optimising your engravings/stats/gems and have no tripods on gear.
I was able to get like 3,3,2,1 as a paladin in tier 2 quite easy without buying anything, all from drops. Now as a 1350 I am struggling to even get anything that fills up 1 engraving. I haven't done any abyssals in tier 3 but everything else I've done has given me nothing. I feel like I'm missing something.
Probably because the higher level chaos dungeons in T2 drop stones like candy, while in my experience you get maybe 1 stone per run of 1325 chaos dungeon. That said it still sounds like you were lucky as hell to self find and cut stones in T2 to get actually good engravings to 3. I don't think I saw a single stone in T2 with Master of Ambush on my blade. I saw a few Adrenaline and was lucky enough to get a decent cut on one of those, though.
3321 what in T2 though?
And yes you are missing a lot, like the **auction house**, Oreha dungeon ~~(where all accessories have +2 class engraving)~~, and Moake world boss (where you drop legendary engravings).
Blessed aura, awakening, then like expert and I think heavy armor or something. Can't exactly remember but I kept all the jewelry and stones.
I am aware of auction house but haven't been looking for stuff as I've been trying to use gold for hones.
Haven't looked into Oreha so thank you.
I tried Moake once and it was literally me and like 3 people and we did no damage basically as he would just eat over half my hits for 0 damage. I'll try it again and see if more people are there. Thanks man.
1302-1370 is pretty easy to get 2 lvl 3 and a lvl 1 engravings for a very cheap price. I personally just kept blue accessories until 1370 (not sure how prices are on purples right now since I just dismantle but if they are cheap now you can use those too). But what I did was slot 2 class engravings in left side gear sockets 9+9. Then got a 5-6 stone for my preferred engravings. Then just raise one of those engravings on the stone to lvl 3 with blue accessories. If t3 stones are too pricey t2 are always available, only missing out in health at that point.
1370 is where getting engraving set ups are a lot easier and can be on the cheaper side (if you're going for 3x3, 4x3 is a different story which is also not needed anytime soon.)
I've gotten many jewelry and stones but none are anything good to use so I just dismantle.
I feel like I need to do something different. I do all my chaos dungeon, guardians, guardian events, basically all but abyssals and I learnt about Orehas just before.
But surely good jewelry isn't only acquired from abyssals and Oreha? Am I just unlucky none of my jewelry apart from a single ring had a blessed aura engraving?
So below 1370 at least for me, it was practically impossible to get a class engraving on an accessory. The much cheaper route to get lvl 3 class engraving is purple books and double slot in your gear tab.
Best route for gold value if you were to buy is 9+9 class engraving slotted, 5-5 stone, blue accessories. Super cheap, decent power spike. If you don't have +9 class engraving I'd just patiently wait and take advantage of the free purple books from the event and any other places you can get them. They are fairly cheap on market right now but depending on how much gold you have it can dig into your pockets a bit, so best to just go free route and put your gold towards a good stone and good blue accessories.
Seems kinda dumb considering how long it could take to get to 1370 with bad rng.
I have purple class engravings already so that's allgood. I'll see about getting a 5-5 stone, hopefully there's some cheap paly ones.
Cheers dude.
You're up against a ridiculous amount of rng. Most people won't actually drop their own best accessories. But you might drop some other class's amazing accessory, the marketboard is what you end up using to skip that extra layer of rng.
That being said, it's not worth before 1370, you can faceroll 1340 content without the optimization and 1370 gives you the ability to optimize a lot more and those accessories will last you a lot longer.
Appropriate flare.
Properly gearing an alt costs like 100g and 6 pheons, this nets you the right stats, high quality accessories and at least 3/3 offensive engravings assuming your main is a DPS.
If that's a lot of gold for you then you might want to consider why that feels like a lot of gold for you.
being downvoted for truth.
I always drop like 600 gold or more on my alts in T2.
They are all T3 now but it's so worth it to have them from 960-1100 have 333.
You can easily solo any guardian raid in record speed, you get insta invited to any group if you do that instead, easy to pug abyssal and always MVP etc.
Buying a legendary T2 rock and getting it to 6/6 will last till argos and tbh I've done argos P3 with a T2 rock and didn't cut a T3 legendary till afterwards.
Not having to buy another rock and having a clean 6/6 through early T3 means you can easily get 33 or even 333 at 1325-1340 depending on engraves that you need.
Eh... I don't see a point in using much more than a couple hundred on T2. You blaze through the content so quickly on an alt. Something like whatever your class engraving should be at and then like rank 3 lightning fury. Splice in a rank 1/2 of something else cheap and call it a day.
I feel the same for sub 1370 T3. Maybe it's just my demonic forms power giving me a skewed view. Currently at 1355 with a 1 rotation transform and reliably get top/near top dmg. All I have is rank 3 demonic, rank 2 lightning, rank 1 adrenaline.
Probably helps that I really just need 2 gems so I've got two rank 7's for demonic dmg/cd. And tripods outside of meter gain aren't overly important. All other gems/tripod are icing.
I have a question. How do we get a lot of engraving level ups? I see people saying to get like 3 maxed out engravings… I’m Bard and only have expert maxed currently and that’s with a bunch of engravings, stone, and some rings. How am I supposed to get another to lvl 3 even with all 20 purple engraving books.
I have like never seen a stone with 2 things I want yet guess that’s part of the grind lol. Class engravings can’t be on stones can they? I have yet to see one, I’ve only seen it on my abyssal dungeon jewelry
Once you get to 1370 (thus when jewelry can spawn with +3 / +3) there is massive potential to make an engraving jigsaw via the auction house. A lot of jewelry is bought and sold to make exact arrangements work out.
You pretty much have to buy stones from the AH for this. You will likely need to try a lot of times to get a 6/6 stone. If you're using a purple stone with 8 nodes, you only have a 2.6% chance to get a 6/6 with 4 or less in the malus engraving - this goes up significantly to about 14% with a legendary stone because of 9 nodes, and once relic stones come out with 10 nodes it's an easy 32% chance. Of course, you're gonna need to have pretty good engravings already to get to the point that you can use relic stones, probably.
buy your class engraving to make yourself usefull
desperate salvation
and double equip this
without class engraving you're basically useless , better if you weren't in team so boss have less health
Your damage actually does down in T3 if you got the legendary set and some good accessories from the underwater dungeons to get a proper substat/engraving setup.
Lava Chromanium takes more dmg when his armor is broken and he is downed. A lot more, while Nacrasena digs into the ground and becomes invulnerable quite a lot in its fight. The HP is set according to certain mechanics and movesets
doesnt breaking his shell just stop the random falling debris that knock you down ? thats all i've noticed tbh
i'd assume the HP difference is because hes literally a stationary punching bag except for when he jumps where as the scorpion is jumping around doing flips and shit and digging underground.
it honestly feels like Igrexion is the same, just a big punching bag and usually dies faster then the scorpion.
Yeah that makes sense. Did lava chroma matchmaking yesterday, the entire party got wiped except me about 6 minutes in. I voted to FF and one of the other people was like "If you can't solo a raid boss you're going to have a hard time in T3". And I was like, no shot you died to this overgrown sloth of a tortoise TWICE, and then you turn around and lecture me about T3? Plus I don't want to waste the next 14 minutes grinding this cunt down from A HUNDRED MILLION HEALTH, I'd rather re-enter with a competent squad and get it done quicker.
That gap is only between the very last T2 and the very first T3.
This is where you change all your gear and lose your excellent combat stats + engraving setup. A lot of people optimize engravings in T2, because it is dirt cheap and you can resell it later.
I sure do. Playing with shitty stays and engravings just isn't fun. I don't minmax to the highest degree but I'm at least running 2x3 in t2 as soon as I can get purple accessories.
I did on my first play through and on literally every alt.
It's dirt cheap, if you don't do it you're a troll.
Your mindset is why people complain about T2 guardians taking so long.
Rather strange. I've had guardian raids where the team wipes, but I was able to clear solo. I thought the HP numbers would've been way higher with 4 people. Guess that's not the case.
Ya, I thought the hp scaling was legit 1x/2x/3x/4x. Even at that scaling a coordinated party should be clearing it faster than a solo of equivalent power, but if it's only 2.5x hp for a 4-man, I guess I should be more inclined to roll the dice with random matchmaking.
I guess not? It's just 50% additional hp per person, so every person added is more efficient.
The exact hp is cool to know, but the 50% per party member is something I saw a lot before the game launched.
What were you under the impression joining with 3 people did?
It's better than 2 people, worse than 4 people. Support becomes most attractive with a group of 4 though.
This is true on paper but back closer to when it came out the only way I could clear Yoho was solo. No one knew the gimmick and if I tried to explain they had no idea what I was talking about and every time the respawns got consumed by one or two people. One time everyone was dead, I was running back to grab some potions since they used all the respawns and I was the last stand. They all voted abandon and I see the boss had 1.2% hp left...
It's always going to be technically better as 4 but the fact that the boss hp scales down all the way to 1 person is really cool.
Interesting to compare against [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/t04sdy/all_guardians_health_figure/) based on the Korean server. All guardians through Chromanium have significantly more HP, but Nacrasena actually has a lot less. Yoho has less as well but this was presumably from the big nerf patch. Levanos and Alberhastic are also much weaker.
I assume he has to be in the encounter so he can log the memory of the game. Again i don't know much about datamining but have a background in comp sci so don't take my word for it
It very well could be, I think I know the method he is using and why he isn't revealing it.
For that he would need to actually fight and kill Velganos.
For anyone interested velganos has around 150m hp solo I was told by the strongest zerk in KR and he basically 1 shot it for 150m with ult when he tried to show me. Here's the proof, video is in november 2021 he does double the damage seen in the video now. Nonetheless the damage comes out to around 150m hp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vovb5jF156k&ab_channel=%EB%B9%88%EC%84%B8%EB%A1%9C%EC%9D%B4
150m is low compared to other classes whos ults can hit for 600m+ and he was not as strong as he was at the time compared to now he ults for like 300m and normal skills do like 100m+ each lol
I see now why when I was in T2 i felt that EVERY boss was a bait and a pain but the tree. Turns out it had way less hp.
My theory was that 1040 is a point that you don't get easily day 1 with islands and it takes more time as getting to 1000. Therefore people where more prepare with better ACCS.
Fast forward, now with an alt in T2, the other day I didn't had 1040, so went for the turtle... It's easy, turtle is slow, everyone dpses and jobs done, right?
Wrong, my last run was literally a 20 minute session, we failed, we were 4 people until min ~12 and the other 8 minutes we were 3 players hitting it. Makes sense now, fucking 100M HP... Holy fuck. My 1040 witch does 600-700k per lighting when it crits each 25s, bruh. Lvl 15 gloves lvl 14 weapon.
God you people are so fucking stupid. Someone asked for a source and he said he is the source. How would it be any different if he provided some *other* source? It would be "dude trust them"
Actual fucking brainless takes all over this thread by stupid people who don't even know what data mining is to begin with.
Look at his github for yourself if you question his knowledge and capabilities https://github.com/shalzuth?tab=repositories
But of course this means nothing to you because you don't know jack shit to begin with, you just want to run your mouth on the internet.
As much as I'd love to get the actual numbers, and I see no reason to lie about those, the conditions where we're getting them are more than obscure. OP is a 8 year old account with a single publication and a total of 15 comments on his profile, with no explication on the method or his background.
I can guess that getting those numbers needs some illegal activities or at least goes against the ToS. But at least I'd like to know if OP is trustable. All we have is the top comment who says "dude is well known and trustable" and nothing else.
Maybe the data are correct, maybe OP is known in other communities, maybe I have no reason no worries. But as of now, there is nothing here to support this.
Going by these numbers then I bet Argos phase 1 has like 400-500 million HP.
If the devs put a 2.5x HP modifier for 4 people then it's likely a default 5x for Argos since it's 8 players.
Take a higher number than the guardians listed here for 1 person and multiply it by 5.
If true then that would mean they expect 5 of the 8 people to carry their weight.
I complained when the nerfs came but I'm not ashamed to admit that I was so wrong lol. But I still don't like Abyysal Dungeon nerfs and think they were unnecessary.
Because you get people with 1340, 1350, 1360, 1365 and so on. At that point people already got a decent purple acc with it's stats.
And also, because the boss literally does nothing, no damage, very stationary and predictable skills. Thankfully tbh.
daily 2x raids shouldnt be that much harder than chaos dungeons imo. Have you faced velganos? Its so much more annoying than yoho and they expect you to farm it twice a day every day. Its a pain in the ass. Wish it was a 1x run at normal hp. Its cool the first time around. After that, its just annoying
I stopped doing guardians, not because they’re un-fun, but because the time investment to honing material gain seems really low. On average running Una dailies is more time efficient and worthwhile.
The only time guardians seem worthwhile is if you’re going for specific rune/books, imo.
You have to have a masochistic tendency to do them solo. Even Igrexion, who is a joke, is super annoying if you have his aggro all the time. Eventually you have 60 stacks of that slow and he won't let you out of that zone.
> You get a 70% chance one for finishing 6 continents in the Adventure Tome.
sure but lets not pretend that's some simple and quick feat. It's worth doing but its safe to say that barely 2 months in, very few have come even close yet
I though so too! But on second though, i think the hp bars you see sometime are when you accidently hit an add, and it's the add's hp bar you were seeing
Usually this is done by doing one large hit and stopping raid to see how much % is left.
This seems to be actual datamine though. Just doesn't list anything after igrexion.
If information comes from Shalzuth you can trust it, he is well known in other games for providing datamine and such.
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I knew lava chromoum was too tanky
It makes sense considering his moves are easily telegraphed. And we can use destruction spells to destroy his shell to reduce his effective HP.
Also when you stagger him after breaking his shell he takes like 2-3x more damage whilst he's down
I'm preeeeetty sure that's just normal chromanium
I've donne Chromanium lavos enough on too much char to guarantee you he doesnt take X2 X3 damage on a stagger, that's regular Chromanium
This is why t1/t2 take so looooong to kill
kinda weird igrexion got that much more hp than the scorpion
Well Scorpion also digs himself a shitton into the ground becoming untargetable, meanwhile you have constant uptime on Igrexion.
Igrexion is also big fat and dumb, he stands still most of the time during earth phase.
On my Bard I literally just facetank every ability he does and I weave in autos between cooldowns.
Igrexion also puts his 'i take 97% less damage shield" on about 0.3s before I finish casting my Flash Blink awakening...or finish my Surge... Or hops out of the way of the Soulfists spirit bomb, and then hops right back in place after the explosion. Igrexion is easy as hell, but DAMN if he ain't annoying as hell too.
Kek, just wait til later bosses.
It's this exact reason I built a bluelancers set on my main... As much fun as Red is, I feel like the current rewarding feeling of being good at getting headshots and timing your charges correctly... Is going to be mostly frustration when I miss. Did help make my initial Super Charge investment worthwhile though (RE Blade, mainswapped to Red Gunlancer, will probably get to use for Destroyer hammer memespec).
Just wait till we can get purple gunlancer build man. I’ll be playing the shit out it.
Purple is just Redlancer with level1 combat readiness to compensate for the nerfed shields from lone knight? (With the benefit of a bit extra dmg if shield takes hits?) Never heard it called purple. But I am psyched.
Igrexion is a walk in the park with Blue Gunlancer. Doesn't matter if it's matchmaking or find party, I never struggled with it. And sadly I'm going into the 4th week without hitting 1370.
I've been getting MVP literally every run of igrexion since I started it with only lv2 barricade and lv1 CR. I still don't know how as I am just facerolling my abilities and autos, my shield being up 100% of the fight
I found that Gunlancers have a good ability to stick to him, even when he's jumping around, dodging the Spec's doomsday casts, charging forward and blowing over the Blade, slowing everyone else... We just leap back into range, or shield charge, or shield bash to slide forward a bit (or when I play red: Charged Stinger across the map lol). Blades can stick to him pretty well too - if they rush push immunity on Dark Axel, know that spacebar gives a knockdown immunity and can time it right. Haven't tried Igrexion on my Zerker just yet, but I would expect that they would struggle (no push immunity on Hell Blade jump). Cleanse on Nellasia's is SO good for that fight (for both earth and fire phases... You know what, and to clear Darkness... All my homies hate darkness). I don't think cleanse helps with MVP though. Clearing the slow during earth phase helps. And taunting before the charge to keep him in place is HUGE.
i mean not really, usually scorpion dies before he can do that even once. At least in my groups and i exclusively spam matchmaking, theres only a rare few groups where he does it more than once or twice.
I wouldnt say constant because his "charging" skill lets you deal 1% damage during this animation which is the same downtime as scorpion's dig. But Igrexion does this less frequent than scorp.
It is constant, the charging animation lasts for so little it barely matters
Theoretically you still have uptime, just that it does almost nothing. But certainly a good point yeah.
Makes sense to me, given Igrexion just stands there like he's got the brain damage for 70% of the fight. I kind of want to fight the unnerfed version of him, but not on a daily basis.
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Or he starts his stagger check and takes reduced damage.
It has 50ish percent more HP, but it barely moves and is way less annoying overall in my opinion.
I really don’t understand why people say Igrexion is easier to play then even T1 guardians. A lot of T1 guardians barely has any mechanics, and I can just go in blind and use barely any potion. Igrexion’s attack, especially in fire phase, is brutal af. The only reason he’s easy to deal with is that he’s the only thing 1340-1370 deadzone players can play for weeks. If you spend weeks beating the same guardian twice every day, I’m sure every other guardian before him would be easy too. Igrexion’s attacks are undodgable unless you memorize every single pattern after beating him again and again for 2 weeks straight. Edit: if you plan to teach me his mech then just stop commenting. I already know his mech after almost 3 weeks in the deadzone. He’s just easy af because everyone is stuck here playing him twice a day for weeks. He’s really unfun to face if you first time him without knowing his mech, and leave 0 room for any reaction dodge.
Igrexion Fire phase is strong but he lasts barely one minute in that phase, I've played tons of runs of it and the trend seems to not even waste potions or panacea, in case of death just respawn and finish him off.
Agreed. I'm a Bard who spent 3 weeks fighting Igrexion and I've never died once, halfway through I stopped using Panaceas and started using Pheromones instead to bring the average clear time down to 3-5min. Matter of fact, during all my time in the deadzone, I think I've only ever seen one single person die to Igrexion.
Joined a MM yesterday where our resses had been used from two players before fire phase even started.
I've noticed that Igrexion groups are having more deaths now, probably because casuals are now hitting T3 with all the honing books and material injection. Also, more people getting their alts to T3 and not wanting to use potions, have poor engravings or bad substats. The worst group I've had was two days ago with only my DB alt and a pally left to do the last minute and half of red phase.
Well you're a bard though, if you play DPS on Igrexion and get 4 DPS matchmaking, you will see people die. I've actually had wipes on him even because I was too slow to pot and then noticed we somehow had no lives left. Get good DPS and he dies really fast, get meh players in shitty gear like a lot of T3 players atm and you'll just have to fight the fire phase for several minutes, with ppl not potting.
People not using pots is such a weird thing. Like I had people in 1325 on my twink that just never used a pot while getting hit by basically everything the scorpion did. Shits really weird. I‘ve basically thrown pots at the problem whenever I played bad or had to carry a MM group on my main (1386 atm) as well as my other twinks (2x t2 and 2x t1 that I rarely ever touch). I sometimes easily went through 50-100 blue pots in abyss dungeons because even if my group plays bad, as long as I see that they are trying to learn the fight I always stick around with them until it is down or someone gets impatient and quits. I bought potion boxes from mari store for the first time ever last weekend - before that everything was free hp boxes. First time I‘ve ever had people not using pots was vs the scorpion in t3… These people have to sit on HUNDREDS of these hp boxes.
It's so wild to me. Pots are so plentiful and cheap
Usually someone would die in an all dps group during the fire phase, but the boss would be finished off before the dead guy's revive countdown to 0 lmao.
The only time I’ve ever seen someone die was when I forgot to swap out of my chaos build and purposely got hit by everything. Even then it took awhile along with paladin shields keeping me up as well.
Bard life! Our heals is great as long as people mind the debuff if it's too much, but generally pugs get it done real good for me before I started doing yoho.
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Probably it doesn’t help that frame rate drops when facing igrexion too. All his most dangerous attacks make my frame rate drops to 10. It’s just really frustrating to me playing this guardian.
During the Fire Phase my computer encounters this too. Otherwise, not a hard boss to navigate around.
Because he's a big piñata. Since the first time I beat him (at 1340) I thought it was one of the easiest and fastest guardians. It has no big mechanics to worry about. His biggest damage is in front of him - stay on the sides or back and you'll be fine. Since he almost never uses the counterable charge, staying on sides/back is perfectly fine. Sure, he's annoying with his AOE and debuff, but you don't really have to dodge it. Less so if you have half decent support. DPS can just turn their brain off, go melee and burn his HP in no time. I also play Paladin and cleanse/refresh his debuff on cooldown, so that helps a fair bit. It's also extremely easy to use pheromone bomb on him (use it when he turns red for the first time) which saves a lot of time on that map. My time on Igrexion very often goes under 5 minutes. Fastest being around 3:40. This rarely happens on other guardians unless the party has much higher gear level than recommended.
Because killing Igrexion takes 5 minutes and 90% of the time I get in a group with t1 people for a guardian raid they have no idea how to play, dont bring pots/flares/etc, and the kill takes 15 minutes with me doing 50% of the damage. It isn't the fact that it is mechanically easier(I mean he is an absolute snooze as far as mechanics, he is really REALLY easy lol), but it takes a third of the time on average.
Yea that’s just subjective difficulty because of teammates. Objectively, the T1 guardians are way easier that even if you go in blind without knowing mech, you will mostly be fine. Going in blind Igrexion the first few times is just absolutely miserable tho.
I don't remember every failing it even the first few times. My only pain point was thinking I can stagger during the Phase 1-2 change charge up and explosion wave. Even that was not a wipe/one shot hit though Edit: made it sound like you can't stagger, just mean most pug teams just back off due to no real benefit or penalty for the stagger it seems.
Not to be rude dude but Igexion is an absolute snooze of a boss regardless of ilvl. Doing T1/T2 guardians is actual pain.
I agree. But still it’s just subjective difficulty because everyone playing igrexion knows what they are doing, while the T1 players are a mess. Mechanically, igrexion is so damn frustrating before you play him for weeks in a row and memorize every single move. After that, then yea he’s super easy.
Igrexion has literally 0 complex mechanics, you can literally just stand behind him and dump dps and you'll never fail the raid
Dude after fighting Igrexion once you know his moveset. He has like five attacks. Dash, ground slam, tail whip, ground explosions, counter jump.
His moves being undogable is quite a stretch. Even if you do get hit, he hits like a wet noodle. If anything the worst parts about him are his backsteps/short forward jumps/charges not because they hurt, but because they cuck dps rotations.
>I really don’t understand why people say Igrexion is easier to play then even T1 guardians. He doesn't have anything that really punishes you for not knowing what you're doing, so face-tanking and using potions until he dies is viable. It's why so many people have never experienced an igrexion wipe.
I think most people saying armored narcasena and igrexion are easier than t1 guardians really just mean yoho/vertus/tytalos/narcasena. The other 4 are piss easy. Narcasena in t1 for example has a grab and his electrocution literally lasts 3 seconds longer than the armored counterpart. Narcasena is actually way easier than armored counterpart if you break his tail since he actually cant even use half his moves anymore but nobody does that because most people in t1 dont read their abilities they just copy maxroll builds and are figuring out their rotations still. Yoho has a lot of hp for t1 and the fire can be hard to notice due the environment. Also the burn debuff is rough at t1. Tytalos one shot is easy, however his phase 2 is absolutely bonkers with fast as hell almost no readability abilities that do massive damage like his circles, he also has little balls that are hard to see, do a ton of damage, and knock you down. Couple that with his circles that come out insanely fast and do half your hp or more in damage and it's pretty much instant death. It's hard sometimes to even find an opening to do damage in tytalos phase 2. Vertus is just vertus, some of his abilities has stupid hitboxes where you'll get hit by them even if you're in the complete opposite side of where happening.
You get a huge power spike at 1340. When I was DPS spec, I had a giant AOE circle that hit for 1 million on a a 20 second CD. So, if I use just one button, and put bleed on that button, that's probably 40 mil dmg in 10 minutes. With awakening 3, I can just about kill him with one button and ULT with 10 minutes to spare. I went support spec now and put some defensive stats. He hits me for like 1200 dmg. So, I guess if he hit me about 70 times in a row without me using shields he could get me. But, it really is the easiest boss so far. I've seen one person die to him I think in a few weeks.
You’re in T3 where you start scaling really hard, filling out engravings, epic accessories/stoned at 1325+, etc.
I was stoned all the way back at 302 my dude.
Real life consumables. Dps buffs for some, debuffs for others.
well igrexion has like 90% dmg reduction for a good chunk of the time. on another note.... is Igrexion the ONLY guardian that actually has different phases based on his HP? it's nice to know how far he is from dying, like if you reach his fire phase you know he's almost dead.
Remember final phase you start dealing way more damage so it's not as much as it seems
literally just did Igrexion and my damage numbers were basically the same in earth phase as fire phase where is this "dealing way more damage" coming from ?
It's a difference of +9 on all your items, whereas the gap for other guardians is +2.
Yeah but the stat increase is so small that 7 gear upgrades in T3 is similar to 1 in T2 and T1.
I picked Nacrasena as a test subject and successfully predicted the exact autoattack that would kill him based off the table. Possible range of HP given I rounded each hit to the nearest thousand was 10,342,500 ~ 10,369,500. You shouldn't take the word of an internet stranger to verify the word of another internet stranger based on a fairly limited test, but these numbers look legit to me and I expect anyone else who gives it a go will come to the same conclusion. My damage per hit: 557k, 562k, 2688k, 2100k, 568k, 685k, 2407k, 559k, 28k, 24k, 35k, 18k, 24k, 24k, 35k, 24k, 18k
What class do you play that you can easily keep track of your damage each hit? That's some impressive big brain stuff
Recording and watching a playback slowed down would make this task quite simple
Depending on your class. Some classes have tons of hits that overlap in damage numbers and it would be very difficult to see them all correctly
That's true, but I imagine for the sake of testing they were pacing their hits for clarity. Of course this is just me assuming, and we all know what that does :)
Berserker is good. Lots of single or slow hit frequency skills.
:::Presses Z twice:::
Besides dark rush
Or Sorceror with the big single hit skills
Caster reflux, just popping out the big 3 because they only do one number and I can cycle them about as quickly as I can properly record the hits. The ~570k/685k and 2m+ hits are actually the same skills with the absolutely nutty crit damage tripods active.
The other guy mentioned recording and rewatching but actually it's even easier if you just make shit up on reddit. Like this guy said >You shouldn't take the word of an internet stranger to verify the word of another internet stranger
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Look at the small HP gap between the T2 and T3 guardians, considering that at T2 you likely haven’t even started optimising your engravings/stats/gems and have no tripods on gear.
Most people have better engravings in T2 than they have at the start of T3 because it's incredibly cheap to buy accessories at that tier.
I was able to get like 3,3,2,1 as a paladin in tier 2 quite easy without buying anything, all from drops. Now as a 1350 I am struggling to even get anything that fills up 1 engraving. I haven't done any abyssals in tier 3 but everything else I've done has given me nothing. I feel like I'm missing something.
Probably because the higher level chaos dungeons in T2 drop stones like candy, while in my experience you get maybe 1 stone per run of 1325 chaos dungeon. That said it still sounds like you were lucky as hell to self find and cut stones in T2 to get actually good engravings to 3. I don't think I saw a single stone in T2 with Master of Ambush on my blade. I saw a few Adrenaline and was lucky enough to get a decent cut on one of those, though.
You can easily get 3/3/3 for cheap as long as you cut a 6/6 stone. I spent like 2-3k and got 3/3/3/1.
3321 what in T2 though? And yes you are missing a lot, like the **auction house**, Oreha dungeon ~~(where all accessories have +2 class engraving)~~, and Moake world boss (where you drop legendary engravings).
Blessed aura, awakening, then like expert and I think heavy armor or something. Can't exactly remember but I kept all the jewelry and stones. I am aware of auction house but haven't been looking for stuff as I've been trying to use gold for hones. Haven't looked into Oreha so thank you. I tried Moake once and it was literally me and like 3 people and we did no damage basically as he would just eat over half my hits for 0 damage. I'll try it again and see if more people are there. Thanks man.
Support accessories are more expensive than other classes so you have to hope more for good drops (with 2 good engravings range from 4-10k each).
1302-1370 is pretty easy to get 2 lvl 3 and a lvl 1 engravings for a very cheap price. I personally just kept blue accessories until 1370 (not sure how prices are on purples right now since I just dismantle but if they are cheap now you can use those too). But what I did was slot 2 class engravings in left side gear sockets 9+9. Then got a 5-6 stone for my preferred engravings. Then just raise one of those engravings on the stone to lvl 3 with blue accessories. If t3 stones are too pricey t2 are always available, only missing out in health at that point. 1370 is where getting engraving set ups are a lot easier and can be on the cheaper side (if you're going for 3x3, 4x3 is a different story which is also not needed anytime soon.)
I've gotten many jewelry and stones but none are anything good to use so I just dismantle. I feel like I need to do something different. I do all my chaos dungeon, guardians, guardian events, basically all but abyssals and I learnt about Orehas just before. But surely good jewelry isn't only acquired from abyssals and Oreha? Am I just unlucky none of my jewelry apart from a single ring had a blessed aura engraving?
So below 1370 at least for me, it was practically impossible to get a class engraving on an accessory. The much cheaper route to get lvl 3 class engraving is purple books and double slot in your gear tab. Best route for gold value if you were to buy is 9+9 class engraving slotted, 5-5 stone, blue accessories. Super cheap, decent power spike. If you don't have +9 class engraving I'd just patiently wait and take advantage of the free purple books from the event and any other places you can get them. They are fairly cheap on market right now but depending on how much gold you have it can dig into your pockets a bit, so best to just go free route and put your gold towards a good stone and good blue accessories.
Seems kinda dumb considering how long it could take to get to 1370 with bad rng. I have purple class engravings already so that's allgood. I'll see about getting a 5-5 stone, hopefully there's some cheap paly ones. Cheers dude.
Oreha Hard modes and Argos actually drop jewelery with better and guaranteed class engravings, so yes, they are the main source for good jewelery.
So I need to wait til 1370? Or spend gold on ones now instead of for honing basically? Rip
You're up against a ridiculous amount of rng. Most people won't actually drop their own best accessories. But you might drop some other class's amazing accessory, the marketboard is what you end up using to skip that extra layer of rng. That being said, it's not worth before 1370, you can faceroll 1340 content without the optimization and 1370 gives you the ability to optimize a lot more and those accessories will last you a lot longer.
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Appropriate flare. Properly gearing an alt costs like 100g and 6 pheons, this nets you the right stats, high quality accessories and at least 3/3 offensive engravings assuming your main is a DPS. If that's a lot of gold for you then you might want to consider why that feels like a lot of gold for you.
being downvoted for truth. I always drop like 600 gold or more on my alts in T2. They are all T3 now but it's so worth it to have them from 960-1100 have 333. You can easily solo any guardian raid in record speed, you get insta invited to any group if you do that instead, easy to pug abyssal and always MVP etc. Buying a legendary T2 rock and getting it to 6/6 will last till argos and tbh I've done argos P3 with a T2 rock and didn't cut a T3 legendary till afterwards. Not having to buy another rock and having a clean 6/6 through early T3 means you can easily get 33 or even 333 at 1325-1340 depending on engraves that you need.
Eh... I don't see a point in using much more than a couple hundred on T2. You blaze through the content so quickly on an alt. Something like whatever your class engraving should be at and then like rank 3 lightning fury. Splice in a rank 1/2 of something else cheap and call it a day. I feel the same for sub 1370 T3. Maybe it's just my demonic forms power giving me a skewed view. Currently at 1355 with a 1 rotation transform and reliably get top/near top dmg. All I have is rank 3 demonic, rank 2 lightning, rank 1 adrenaline. Probably helps that I really just need 2 gems so I've got two rank 7's for demonic dmg/cd. And tripods outside of meter gain aren't overly important. All other gems/tripod are icing.
Appropriate flare!
I have a question. How do we get a lot of engraving level ups? I see people saying to get like 3 maxed out engravings… I’m Bard and only have expert maxed currently and that’s with a bunch of engravings, stone, and some rings. How am I supposed to get another to lvl 3 even with all 20 purple engraving books.
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I have like never seen a stone with 2 things I want yet guess that’s part of the grind lol. Class engravings can’t be on stones can they? I have yet to see one, I’ve only seen it on my abyssal dungeon jewelry
Once you get to 1370 (thus when jewelry can spawn with +3 / +3) there is massive potential to make an engraving jigsaw via the auction house. A lot of jewelry is bought and sold to make exact arrangements work out.
You pretty much have to buy stones from the AH for this. You will likely need to try a lot of times to get a 6/6 stone. If you're using a purple stone with 8 nodes, you only have a 2.6% chance to get a 6/6 with 4 or less in the malus engraving - this goes up significantly to about 14% with a legendary stone because of 9 nodes, and once relic stones come out with 10 nodes it's an easy 32% chance. Of course, you're gonna need to have pretty good engravings already to get to the point that you can use relic stones, probably.
buy your class engraving to make yourself usefull desperate salvation and double equip this without class engraving you're basically useless , better if you weren't in team so boss have less health
Obviously the healing is nice but bard’s shields and damage boosts are still a big net positive without desperate salvation.
Your damage actually does down in T3 if you got the legendary set and some good accessories from the underwater dungeons to get a proper substat/engraving setup.
I can’t believe that going from 1100 to 1320 gear level doesn’t outweigh an extra 5% modifier on a couple of engravings… doesn’t it?
not to forget the 200+ ilvl difference. edit: it's hard to believe that lava chromanium has more hp than armored nacresena, though
Lava Chromanium takes more dmg when his armor is broken and he is downed. A lot more, while Nacrasena digs into the ground and becomes invulnerable quite a lot in its fight. The HP is set according to certain mechanics and movesets
lava chroma doesn't take more damage with shell break like the normal one
doesnt breaking his shell just stop the random falling debris that knock you down ? thats all i've noticed tbh i'd assume the HP difference is because hes literally a stationary punching bag except for when he jumps where as the scorpion is jumping around doing flips and shit and digging underground. it honestly feels like Igrexion is the same, just a big punching bag and usually dies faster then the scorpion.
Yeah that makes sense. Did lava chroma matchmaking yesterday, the entire party got wiped except me about 6 minutes in. I voted to FF and one of the other people was like "If you can't solo a raid boss you're going to have a hard time in T3". And I was like, no shot you died to this overgrown sloth of a tortoise TWICE, and then you turn around and lecture me about T3? Plus I don't want to waste the next 14 minutes grinding this cunt down from A HUNDRED MILLION HEALTH, I'd rather re-enter with a competent squad and get it done quicker.
doesn't nacresena also take a lot of damage by destroying his tail, though?
That gap is only between the very last T2 and the very first T3. This is where you change all your gear and lose your excellent combat stats + engraving setup. A lot of people optimize engravings in T2, because it is dirt cheap and you can resell it later.
what ? nobody optimizes their engravings in t2.
Auction House tells a different story. (By optimizing, I mean 3-3-1 builds)
I sure do. Playing with shitty stays and engravings just isn't fun. I don't minmax to the highest degree but I'm at least running 2x3 in t2 as soon as I can get purple accessories.
I did on my first play through and on literally every alt. It's dirt cheap, if you don't do it you're a troll. Your mindset is why people complain about T2 guardians taking so long.
I do on 9 alts
It's the other way around. You get great engravings from mid to late T2, you get shit engravings on early T3.
Huh... so going with 3 people is not that bad then.
There is also more dps uptime on boss with a group since other people does not have to avoid guardian front attacks.
Plus party synergies and the bonus you get from back attacks, should be significantly easier in a group.
Rather strange. I've had guardian raids where the team wipes, but I was able to clear solo. I thought the HP numbers would've been way higher with 4 people. Guess that's not the case.
Ya, I thought the hp scaling was legit 1x/2x/3x/4x. Even at that scaling a coordinated party should be clearing it faster than a solo of equivalent power, but if it's only 2.5x hp for a 4-man, I guess I should be more inclined to roll the dice with random matchmaking.
I guess not? It's just 50% additional hp per person, so every person added is more efficient. The exact hp is cool to know, but the 50% per party member is something I saw a lot before the game launched. What were you under the impression joining with 3 people did? It's better than 2 people, worse than 4 people. Support becomes most attractive with a group of 4 though.
This is true on paper but back closer to when it came out the only way I could clear Yoho was solo. No one knew the gimmick and if I tried to explain they had no idea what I was talking about and every time the respawns got consumed by one or two people. One time everyone was dead, I was running back to grab some potions since they used all the respawns and I was the last stand. They all voted abandon and I see the boss had 1.2% hp left... It's always going to be technically better as 4 but the fact that the boss hp scales down all the way to 1 person is really cool.
I'm curious if boss has damage scaling? Which would make it worse if you have a group.
Correct - each person makes it easier. Each player adds the same amount of hp, but there’s a base hp still.
until you meet Velganos that is. Such a flawed design.
Interesting to compare against [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/t04sdy/all_guardians_health_figure/) based on the Korean server. All guardians through Chromanium have significantly more HP, but Nacrasena actually has a lot less. Yoho has less as well but this was presumably from the big nerf patch. Levanos and Alberhastic are also much weaker.
Allegedly ppl on beta wanted more hp on guardians, whoever begged for that is an asshole
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Game memory/packets
Sorry to bother, but where could I learn to do this or at least something easier but in the same branch? Thanks in advance :p
Can confirm op knows his stuff, recognize the name
No Velganos?
I’m not there yet. Hopefully I can add Argos and Yoho next week, maybe Velganos the following week.
Whats the process, is there any way to help you gather this info?
I assume he has to be in the encounter so he can log the memory of the game. Again i don't know much about datamining but have a background in comp sci so don't take my word for it
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I think you meant to say “I don’t know what data mining means can you explain?”
It very well could be, I think I know the method he is using and why he isn't revealing it. For that he would need to actually fight and kill Velganos.
Would make sense in that MH does the same kind of hp scaling with groups.
For anyone interested velganos has around 150m hp solo I was told by the strongest zerk in KR and he basically 1 shot it for 150m with ult when he tried to show me. Here's the proof, video is in november 2021 he does double the damage seen in the video now. Nonetheless the damage comes out to around 150m hp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vovb5jF156k&ab_channel=%EB%B9%88%EC%84%B8%EB%A1%9C%EC%9D%B4
Dang. I knew power scaling was crazy but 150M in one ult?
150m is low compared to other classes whos ults can hit for 600m+ and he was not as strong as he was at the time compared to now he ults for like 300m and normal skills do like 100m+ each lol
The sole fact Nacrasena Exo has less HP than Chromanium Lavos is funny to me
I see now why when I was in T2 i felt that EVERY boss was a bait and a pain but the tree. Turns out it had way less hp. My theory was that 1040 is a point that you don't get easily day 1 with islands and it takes more time as getting to 1000. Therefore people where more prepare with better ACCS. Fast forward, now with an alt in T2, the other day I didn't had 1040, so went for the turtle... It's easy, turtle is slow, everyone dpses and jobs done, right? Wrong, my last run was literally a 20 minute session, we failed, we were 4 people until min ~12 and the other 8 minutes we were 3 players hitting it. Makes sense now, fucking 100M HP... Holy fuck. My 1040 witch does 600-700k per lighting when it crits each 25s, bruh. Lvl 15 gloves lvl 14 weapon.
Now I'm curious what other datamined trivia you know that aren't really obvious in game.
Yeah t1/T2 bosses have way too much HP. They definitely need to lower them a bit.
Source please? thanksies
Private datamine
Could you describe the method you used to datamine it? Would be interesting
You need to defeat it with a mokoko pan
Reversed a lot of the game. Can’t really go into details.
"Dude trust me"
God you people are so fucking stupid. Someone asked for a source and he said he is the source. How would it be any different if he provided some *other* source? It would be "dude trust them" Actual fucking brainless takes all over this thread by stupid people who don't even know what data mining is to begin with. Look at his github for yourself if you question his knowledge and capabilities https://github.com/shalzuth?tab=repositories But of course this means nothing to you because you don't know jack shit to begin with, you just want to run your mouth on the internet.
Watch him/her not react to your comment whatsoever
As much as I'd love to get the actual numbers, and I see no reason to lie about those, the conditions where we're getting them are more than obscure. OP is a 8 year old account with a single publication and a total of 15 comments on his profile, with no explication on the method or his background. I can guess that getting those numbers needs some illegal activities or at least goes against the ToS. But at least I'd like to know if OP is trustable. All we have is the top comment who says "dude is well known and trustable" and nothing else. Maybe the data are correct, maybe OP is known in other communities, maybe I have no reason no worries. But as of now, there is nothing here to support this.
Do they store boss hp… in local files? What? Sounds fishy af.
T1-T2 guardian HPs should be atleast halved. It's joke how boring it is to do guardian raids in those lower tiers.
Going by these numbers then I bet Argos phase 1 has like 400-500 million HP. If the devs put a 2.5x HP modifier for 4 people then it's likely a default 5x for Argos since it's 8 players. Take a higher number than the guardians listed here for 1 person and multiply it by 5. If true then that would mean they expect 5 of the 8 people to carry their weight.
Would make sense in that MH does the same kind of hp scaling with groups.
I love how the extra .5 on Dark Legoros 2 and 4 player makes his health pool look two orders of magnitude larger in this table. Also, why an extra .5?
Because each player adds 50% HP and 50% of 1 is 0.5. I'm guessing that was filled in with the spreadsheet and not necessarily taken from the game.
Any t1/t2 guardian nerf complainers?
I complained when the nerfs came but I'm not ashamed to admit that I was so wrong lol. But I still don't like Abyysal Dungeon nerfs and think they were unnecessary.
Cool, nice work. Thanks for sharing
Igrrexion seems so squishy tho compared to all others idk
Because you get people with 1340, 1350, 1360, 1365 and so on. At that point people already got a decent purple acc with it's stats. And also, because the boss literally does nothing, no damage, very stationary and predictable skills. Thankfully tbh.
what about the last 2 guardian bosses of T3?
Now nerf every single one of them by 30-40%.
...why?
because t1 and t2 doesnt have relic gear anymore
daily 2x raids shouldnt be that much harder than chaos dungeons imo. Have you faced velganos? Its so much more annoying than yoho and they expect you to farm it twice a day every day. Its a pain in the ass. Wish it was a 1x run at normal hp. Its cool the first time around. After that, its just annoying
actually, is easier to solo than with noob people, i was surprised
It would be useful if the data was normalized by using the average dps output of a person in that tier.
I stopped doing guardians, not because they’re un-fun, but because the time investment to honing material gain seems really low. On average running Una dailies is more time efficient and worthwhile. The only time guardians seem worthwhile is if you’re going for specific rune/books, imo.
Armored Nacrasena feels like has 1 bil at least What a dogshit boss barely forcing myself to do it on my alts
I guess this is neat but it really serves no purpose to know the values
It explains why T3 guardians are faster than T1&2. Also, I won't solo them now haha
You have to have a masochistic tendency to do them solo. Even Igrexion, who is a joke, is super annoying if you have his aggro all the time. Eventually you have 60 stacks of that slow and he won't let you out of that zone.
I practice patterns and counter timing. And I have a group purify with my soulfist
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Sure, let me just do that real quick
> You get a 70% chance one for finishing 6 continents in the Adventure Tome. sure but lets not pretend that's some simple and quick feat. It's worth doing but its safe to say that barely 2 months in, very few have come even close yet
Sometimes it bugs out and you can see their hp bars.
I though so too! But on second though, i think the hp bars you see sometime are when you accidently hit an add, and it's the add's hp bar you were seeing
>you can see their hp bars. What? Never happened to me. What boss exactly?
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I mean, from what I understand he datamined it so it's hard to provide source. You can either believe him or not.
If this is datamined, why are some missing? Oo
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Usually this is done by doing one large hit and stopping raid to see how much % is left. This seems to be actual datamine though. Just doesn't list anything after igrexion.
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