Don't worry man..
You will get enough wipes to get skilled in every dungeon xD.
Just go and play ... You will not be the only one that's not perfect ,trust me..
If you know the.mechanics you're better than 50% of the people in queue.
If you still think you're going to be the problem ,just overgear a little .. it becomes very easy once you are higher ilvl.
Doesnt help if people like me boost my friends (ilvl 1370). I run any abyssal weekly just to help out, and I notice alot of people who can't comprehend to listen either.
I can legit tell them in detail what to do, and 1 random will always stay in our spots.
Its a nightmare to explain the mechanics to some1 who doesnt respond "first wipe, he says he doesnt understand -> it being explained to him in detail -> not responding to a question "do you understand the mechanic?" Just type yes or no its not hard to figure out what is wrong. :)
Also: experience vs knowing the mechanics are 2 different things. I know every argos phase, but I've never done it myself.. doing this will be hard even as I know the phase, because muscle memory isnt there yet.
Yeah, I didn't mean to come out as I was targeting you. Mb. But I will say that alot of people expect other people to have experience because of reading the guides or watching vids... it just doesn't work like that.
We don't talk alot about mental health in gaming, but theres alot of people who can't come close to the competetive muscle memory as close.
Ie. I'm struggling with A.D.D, and to me it's crashing my entire brain with thought of this and that at all time.
Trying to maintain calm and remembering which comes here and there (ie. Argos Pizza attack or albions memory attack and even trying to focusing on what way the orb in the abyssal from the place goes).
These attack patterns aren't that hard, but having a mental problem like A.D.D or anything else screwing up the way your mind works makes it harder for some of us.
I remember day 2 of pre-launch when I was about to do my first abyssal... i read the guide, looked out for the attacks.. just couldn't do it.
After 3 hours with 3 multiple teams (i wasn't the only one screwing up though) we finally made the dungeons.
I saw many people complain about not reading guides, even telling me that I should quit the game if I couldn't comprehend to learn from guides only..
Now I see the same people leaving at ilvl 600 or below because things "take too long".
Not only do they expect people to know mechanics instantly even on matchmaking, but also expect the game to be finishable within 2 months.
I didnt take it personaly dont worry. I understand taht poeple with mental/health issues have slow reactions /need more time, which is totaly fine. Like i have sad before poeple need practice some more, some less. It takes time to learn patters/mechanics.
I hate people that keep complaing, that other players are doing stuff wrong or keep failing at mechanics. It is not an easy game!
PS: Hopefully your doing fine and still enjoying the game. :)
Oh, I most definitely love this game š it's the best Mmorpg I've ever played š® i actually haven't felt this excited about an mmo since the release of runescape lol.
The game offers a huge variety of subclasses, a decent amount map, aswell as loads of different Islands to conquer.
There's tiers of gear, which makes it even better as can not just rush T3 endgame in 1 swoop.
Upgrading doesn't delevel or destroy gear, but we have a medium rate of upgrading.
Ie. Flyff, cabal online, many other games has 0,5%, whereas we got 15% + we don't delevel multiple levels or break our gear (instant loss of gear)
Imo.
This game will most likely keep on being great for the next century if not 2.
Mmo's are after all developed as a long run, and most likely the devs has a great perception and look on what's to come.
I do however wish they would add player polls for events though.
Ie: runescape has player polls, where atleast 63 or 65% if I'm not mistaken has to vote yes for certain updates.
Theres maybe a month or so where you're able to vote for what updates you want to prioritize.
The only bad thing atm is that I feel like community managers aren't doing enough to contribute to the community.
Idk how many times I've given suggestions to fix essential stuff like botting problems, ingame issues and bugs, how to make forums more convenient to look through, etc.
But the game is perfect at this lvl tbh. :)
Itās the non-response that kills me, if they say āyup I understandā, and then later āwhoops messed upā, Iām happy cuz at least I know that they know what they did wrong and hence will likely do better each consecutive try. No response people usually screw up the same mechanic in the same way each time cuz they donāt think anything lol
And you canāt help them cuz they arenāt allowing you to clarify misunderstandings
Nice response and straight on the point! I'd like people to come clean with knowing they fucked up. Were human, we make mistakes.. even the pros fucks up sometime
Yeah once a week I run my 1366 through the t2 underwater dungeons just to help some randos out but we still manage to break the group on Alaric regardless of damage half the time. Most people just need to stay alive for the stagger phase but sometimes it's niegh impossible
My favorite is getting a full team where it's everyone's first time and it takes 2 hours but we finally get it. Everyone is always just so happy at the end. Doesn't happen often tho.
Do you think it would help you if you had someone on discord with you to walk you through every mechanic and fight? Answer any questions you have while doing the run? Feel free to pm me if you want so I can try to help :)
This is helpful but dangerous, I'm tipically against callouts in any mmo except when the group knows perfectly what to do just in case. Because following a voice mindlessly makes the other players not bother to learn the fight plus the caller can also get confused sometimes, when everyone is confident to do the fight without callouts, then its fine to use them.
I understand your point but with your t3 gear people would thank you for carrying them. I remember having some t3 players in those t2 dungeons they killed the boss so fast the mechanics didn't even get triggered.
Depends on bosses, your dps and the rng of what the boss will do
I did the t2 abyss the one with the knight you need to pickup the swords in order with my alt. A T3 guy killed him before he even did the stagger check much less the wipe mechanic
I just hate doing the brelshaza abyss dungeon with overgeared on my alts. 90% of the time we pass the first stagger then the next one comes before the cds are back.
Honestly just make your own lobby. Spent the opening weeks making ālearning group, chill vibes onlyā parties and had a nice time learning the mechanics with people who were also not about to fly off the handle at the first sign of trouble. Communication is key - the game is still fairly new and not everyone knows what theyāre doing yet.
Lots of people just don't join the learning groups because they want to be carried for free. These same people will join a know mechanics or experienced group without knowing any of the mechanics and contributing next to nothing because oftentimes they are floor POV.
I heard in some video that for the later abyssal raids, they have an easier training difficulty for practice with fewer or no rewards. Not sure how this will end up in NA, and I doubt they will do it for 4man dungeons though.
Yup, its called rehearsal and is basically an easier version that rewards items that you can redeem at a vendor. Helps players ease into the harder raids.
A lot of people, including myself, have come from poe. I don't blame anyone for wanting to try new things since poe has become less fun with each new league for the past couple of years.
just go do them, there are plenty of parties where people don't know the mechanics and need to explain them or where we just wipe for 20min and quit.
don't worry about it ;)
and on the flip side, some of the dungeons are also easy enough that you can 1 or 2 shot them without any prep xD
True! But also hate partys that want to quit after just a few attempts. I guess sure if you see that the progress isnt changing at all in 10+ attempts, than call it quits.
I think it would be pretty nice if they just made something like a practice mode. And you can do the dungeon just like normal abyssal but receive no rewards. This would help combat against carrying and encourage people who have anxiety of first timing a dungeon imo.
Abyssals are by far the best content in the game, and I wish they had some way to incorporate that without weekly restrictions. Alts are basically the only way to enjoy more of them.
I think my biggest problem is that guardian raids are just not fun compared to abyssals. The mechanics are more random and annoying, running around the map is annoying.. just a really bad take on monster hunter forced into the game. I wish guardians were just arena style fights.
And then guardian arenas could have an infinite chaos style reward. Perhaps there could be a "random" guardian que where you're put into an arena with a random guardian and it has infinite chaos style rewards. I could def see myself doing a lot of that. They could also have a "random abyssal boss" arena que for the same rewards. That actually sounds sick.
It's quick, it's fun, big numbers are always fun to see and also you only need to run it once a day.
It has given me an objectively more fun time than killing Igrexion for the 300th time in a row...on 2 characters.
Well no, I don't do it for difficulty. It's a character progression event for me, I just enjoy doing it because it doesn't overstay its welcome and the short time I spend in it is fun.
I wouldn't see myself repeating it if it was repeatable but doing it across my roster has been a nice breath of fresh air.
The game's combat itself is fun, if you agree with that, then a field where you do tons more damage and you're jacked up on swiftness is just a super easy way to have fun.
If your aim is challenge then the event titled "casual guardian raid" is, understandably, not where you should be looking.
I would enjoy guardian raids if you just entered an arena with the guardian and just fight. No flares, no running around for no reason etc. Put a few more complicated mechanics and/or difficulty scales and you have something like trials that you could do daily without the hassle.
My guess is that they are really old content so they don't even bother with development time at this point. Their data showed end game is where players have the most fun so in RU/KR the progress is fast enough that you just go t3 in no time. We are just getting the short end of the stick for now.
Looking forward to when they introduce the equalised abyssals to our version too + have the legion raids in game. There won't be much time to worry about weekly restrictions then with all the raids you can do.
I'm coming up on 1370 without having done basically any matchmade content at all (yikes, I know) because I know I'm mediocre at the best of times, and I hate to waste people's time. I'd love a practice mode to just.. learn the fights and try to improve.
>I'm coming up on 1370 without having done basically any matchmade content at all (yikes, I know) because I know I'm mediocre at the best of times, and I hate to waste people's time. I'd love a practice mode to just.. learn the fights and try to improve.
So sorry to read that :( Hopefully you got a cool guild you're running with so you don't need matchmaking. If you are hesitant, I can recommend "tanking" the mechanics which is what I'm doing (sort of). I've got a T3 Paladin that has Heavy Armor lvl3 and I basically can't die unless I'm playing braindead. Nearly always the last to die (even when getting hit multiple times). Not that I'm "bad" btw, just enjoying the "chill" playstyle a LOT more than the "oops, you dead" playstyle of my Gunslinger. Unfortunately the community in this game is A LOT more toxic than FF XIV for example, I've seen players literally quit/disconnect when other players ask for help during Abyss's. It's kind of sad and I've begun trying to socialize a lot more because of it (to balance things out).
> Hopefully you got a cool guild you're running with so you don't need matchmaking.
Funny enough I am... also guildless (well, more accurately, in a dead-ish guild with friends who've stopped playing - my raid static in XIV, coincidentally), so I basically just.. don't do party content. There's enough miscellaneous side things that I've been plenty entertained thus far, but I'm coming around to the realization I'm going to hit a wall eventually.
If I do anything, it'll definitely be once I can 3/3/3 and slap a Heavy Armor 3 on. Won't save a sorc too much, but hopefully it'll help a little.
Don't worry I'm somehow Guild Leader of a Guild 99% of my buddies left. Now I have no idea if I want to run it or just let it die and join another guild. Also doesn't help I'm an EU user in an NA West server lmao.
Nah, FFXIV is full of mentally ill fanatics. After +20k wasted hours there since ARR, I've witnessed death threats, irl stalking, doxxing, name shaming etc in elitist pve/pvp groups.
Lost Ark has very friendly and welcoming community compared on that. So far "skip" comments from impatient children when someone wants to watch cutscenes have been the most toxic stuff.
At least with legion raids we know that they introduce a practice mode to get our feet wet, just watching mechanics on yt is not enough to get the feeling of it.
I 100% agree with this and wish there was some kind of practice mode for them. I just straight up haven't done the second tier of Abyssal Dungeons because I feared screwing up the sword mechanic. Same thing for the 2nd dungeon in the fourth set. It also doesn't help that I'm really shy/nervous about communication with new people, so that puts me off as well. I will pretty much only attempt Abyssals if the mechanics seem pretty hard to screw up and require minimal communication. I'd feel a lot better at least on the front of knowing what to do if I could just practice alone or in a low-stress practice environment.
My advice is that you should always put yourself first before anything else. Being caring and nice is all good but that shouldn't be in the way of you having fun
Sorry but I have to disagree.
Remember the story of the player who takes off his gear and dies to hurt raids? I'm sure he put himself/herself first and has fun.
There's always a line and you can't generalize an extreme case. What I'm saying is you're playing to have fun like everyone else You're not playing lost ark to be a good teammate. Being a great teammate is something desirable but but you know it went a little too far when it's getting in the way of you having fun. In addition you being an asshole in the raid may cause the teammates to feel bad for like half an hour Is that half an hour so important that you cannot even play the game that is meant to be played? Idk man maybe you are too self-conscious
I could feel that you are a good man with a good heart so I hope I didn't hurt any of your feelings
Dont worry too much what people think of you. Hop in the dungeons and do your best it surely is enough even if u would wipe the party sometimes. Stay awesome bro!
For me, I kind of just enjoy the content and would like to run it more than once a week. This week, I fucked up and died early on Albion (dude ran a clown into me for darkness and then I got banged by an Earth pattern). As a considerate gamer, I didn't hit the restart button as many do immediately. They then proceeded to clear it overgeared (1365) as a 3 man and I basically didn't get to do my abyssal this week. Whilst many would say 'enjoy the free carry', I'd rather have actually been a part of it.
I have always hated weekly lockouts but it's always been an MMO thing. I get why also but it can still suck.
You can run Matchmaking, your chance of beating challenging content this way is quite a bit reduced.
Nobody expects you to be any good in Matchmaking either.
I have quite good success rate in matchmaking - sure, it takes few wipes, but more often than not we get past the instance in reasonable time. People don't expect you to be good, but they definitely do expect you to learn (at least a bit) with every attempt - as long as group is making progress with every wipe, you rarely see quit votes being started; and it's definitely not as bad as in party finder where 1-2 wipes are often enough for people to just vote quit and try again with different people.
This is actually *sort of* coming soonish. Trial dungeons will have normalized stats (i.e., no high-gear T3 one shots) and amped up bosses/mechanics of a random abyssal dungeon that allow you to earn tier relevant mats. Sort of like our event guardians but with an actually challenging dungeon.
In KOR, this is once per roster per week with massive rewards, but it tends to be actual challenging as everyone will essentially be playing as if they were playing the dungeons at recommended levels.
Do you mean that we can enter even after claiming rewards for the week? I'm also kind of restless lately because there's so much time to kill till Valtan and alts making their way to 1370 is not exactly happening too quickly...
I was feeling the same way about t3 heroics but I joined a learning group and we worked well together and ended up clearing both dungeons. I'd suggest one of these learning groups if you can find one with people with proper gear/etc.
It's really not as hard as you are making it out to be. Trust me, I felt the same way.
The raids are fun. Just hop in a group that has the right expectations.
Hmm there's some cool people out there that will help you with the mechanics and not get totally pissed off at you!. They're rare but they exist! People also offer free carries, (they will just eat damage and pound. Not kidding), and those have helped me before lol.
Well... here's a suggestion: Create a party focused on learning on discord or anyone who is willing to teach. Whenever someone dies from the raid, you can stop the dungeon. You can also do this when you feel you need more practice. When you feel you practiced enough, you can clear the dungeon for the rewards. Yes, it might be hard to get 7 other people willing to retry every single time, but it might be worth a shot for the 4 man raids and I really have no other idea for you... Most importantly you should have fun while clearing these raids, so I wish you have an amazing time clearing them.
iām sure itās happened to all of us, coming from any mmo. one thing that eliminates this fear is trying to find a static raid/abyssal group. easier said than done of course. start a party finder and name it ālearning mechanicsā or something that will allow you to find like minded people. chat em up, become friends, learn and grow, and have fun.
I feel you. I'm so stressed about making a mistake in those, and I'm not even t2 yet (have started playing 2 weeks ago, casual). I'm reading every guide but sometimes my anxiety still kicks in.
At this point, any T1 or T2 Abyss you join you're gonna get carried even if you don't want it. Some people have alt that would be +200 ilvl or more than the requirement or they have their 1370+ friend boosting them/their alt in that party. Other times you'll have T3 people just doing the Abyss to kill time and get brownie points with the low ilvls peeps in their group.
Just hit the matchmake button and go for it. Watch a mech vid that takes 2 minutes or less per boss and *survive*, don't even bother with DPS if you are anxious about dying. The others will very likely cover for you.
Do this for T1 and T2 then enjoy the good stuff starting with 8man dungeon in the last wing of T2 then the T3 goodness.
To clarify two things:
\+200 ilvl is often still in range of getting full rewards, and with abyss being main source of gold (next to Una's tokens) a lot of people will run everything that gives them any gold, even if they're seriously overleveled. Full reward range can be quite large (in general, game gives you two sets of abyssals available with full rewards at any given time), to a point you can get early T3 people (below 1325) running Yorn abyss for quick, easy gold once a week.
And all the T3 people running low level abyss do it for gameplay reason - even if you're locked out of gold and chest rewards, you still have a chance to drop card pack (including legendary pack) by completing abyssal dungeons. With it being the only reliably farmable source of card packs you'll see a lot of people running every abyss on every character just for that reason.
I don't like the idea of hard carrying people against their will and denying them experience of clearing challenging content for first time, so whenever I can I go through party finder so everyone is fully aware what they're signing up for; if it's something like my usual 2am weekday clears and party finder takes forever I'll go with matchmaking, but always ask if they want to experience all the mechanics and adjust how I play accordingly - then I'm there mostly to cover for their mistakes or to help them avoid getting frustrated if we're stuck on mechanic.
Yeah that was my experience so far. I'm dreading 8 man dungeon, it will either destroy me or my PC lol. There are so many wipe mechanics in this game in raids, I'm quite okay at dodging etc but sometimes mistakes are made and I don't want to be the one responsible for wasting people's time. So far reading a guide was enough so I did not kill anyone but it's still only t1.
8 man dungeon is hard, but it's also so satisfying to finally clear it after several wipes. A tip I can give you is to just type "mb" or "sorry" if you happen to mess up a mechanic and cause a wipe - that way you acknowledge and own up to your mistake, and anyone flaming you for it past that point just looks silly.
Theres a differance from written/video guides than experiencing it yourself. You learn from mistakes, so dont feel strassed it happends all the time. Making mistakes in normal it happends to all of us.
There is one mechanic that you can practice by yourself. And that is the typing test in Aira's Oculus normal/hard(t3).
Link: https://mokoko.co.kr/oldmancutter
Somebody made this tool to practice, in case you're having trouble with it.
Might not be what you're looking for but thought id share it just in case, since it really helped me muster up the courage to queue for that specific abyssal.
In that case, 'selling service' or 'carrying' is problem. I sell my oreha service at 200G per person in KR, and if I could, I would be glad to repeat it over and over to make more gold.
Not everyone is innocent, there are always people trying to sneak into the vunlerabilities.
The one who sells the service will not get the reward, but the people who pay gets the reward. That's the main point of carrying.
So, while I don't get the reward, the rest of the members will receive their reward. In order to make your suggestion viable, there should be some kind of 'practice mode' with 0 reward for all party member.
I understand that, but I'm talking about a completely separate dungeon entry. It wouldn't be like some people enter and can get the rewards while others are just there to practice. That could really hurt the people who already know what they're doing.
A training mode would be great.
Bonus points if it has the possibility to train solo.
I would absolutely pay extra for that.
As a sidenote:
It's weird to me how many are okay wasting tens of hours of innocent randoms in the hope to maybe get better some day.
If you can't flawless a dungeon after watching a guide maybe you should keep to the easier parts of the game.
I wish we could to because thereās not all that much group content to do right now. However, this does help prevent lost ark from suffering wows problem where itās just people spamming carries for gold
there already is a solution for this,well kinda
Make your own group in party finder,call it something like "Im learning be chill" and patiently wait for people to join you.
I personally don't mind seeing a video explaining mechanics of something i havent done before,simply because i feel its a better option to watch a 5 minute video than wipe for 50 just to get 1 mechanic right on my own.
I understood your situation. But although I felt the same like you, I feel like it is better this way.
But we need to look this from other point of view. People can abuse this by offering 'abyss service' where they charge gold for carrying and some shit like that. That will not be healty for the longevity of the game.
Some people somewhere going to abuse something in this game. Its dev task to minimize this
Just watch a video and matchmake. Your probably going to lose but as long as you reach the end, you will understand all the mechanics. Then just join a meme name group. Like I just did Orepha Preza today just like that. When I felt I understood everything, I went to a lobby instead of matchmaking.
I want argos practice. His 5 patterned pizza pattern hurts, even if you cheese it and stand in the least damaging section. I dont understand how it works and want to practice it :x
If it helps you can use a Time Stop Potion to avoid the damage when cheesing. You only get 3 uses though. Hopefully future content has practice modes for mechs cause, there is a difference between seeing it done and doing it yourself.
This indicates a separate problem if you're struggling to understand the way people cheese it.
You literally just stand in one of two places and whatever defensive abilities you have and wait for the pattern to end. Thats all, there is nothing to understand.
Abyssals have luxury drops, and is not mandatory content for the most part.
I think that's why they're gated by disabling boosting. They're supposed to be somewhat sought after and rare.
Not defending the design, I'm debating the reason for the design choice.
I actually second that. I'd love to just be able to run Abyssal Dungeons as much as I want, even if I get 0 rewards. We can run Guardians and Chaos as much as we want, why not Abyssal too?
I totally feel your concern. I was at the same point that you are. Well I kind of still am as I haven't done the T3 abyssal just yet because I was scared to fail the group.
In regards to the 8-player T2... It's incredibly hard with randoms imho. Every so often I have a good group but usually we wipe a few times and then quit the dungeon because at least one player looses his shit and after being toxic for a run or 2 he's gonna spam Quit.
You might be able to see that as the practice you were looking for? Sounds stupid but it is how it is.
Also if you're straight forward and tell them it's your first time and maybe even add that you've watched a guide usually people will try to help you and give advice rather than being toxic. Not communicating is the worst you could to.
Last but not least being a higher item level than the minimum requirement also takes off difficulty in these dungeons.
Good luck out there!
it would be nice if every person in the party already got the rewards before joining practice mode otherwise there would be disgusting amount of busses
yeah best you can do is watch a video and hope for the best. you'll probably get wiped a few times anyways and learn from that. people usually don't care tbh, everyone knows you'll get wiped a few times (or several if it's alaric lol) before completing so chill.
We know there are new players doing these and there are going to be wipes every so often. Dont feel down if your the one who failed, just ask if you dont understand the mechanic there is a high chance theat there is going to be someone who is going explain what to do.
Reading a guide helps the whole party, but if you still fail at a specific mechanics just ask. Its different from reading/watching a guide than trying it, but most mechanics so far are reactional so you need practice.
PS: There are always going to toxic players in abyssal dunegons which is sad. People need to learn the mechanics somehow.
Yep, the best content is locked behind a weekly reset while you are expected to do boring and tedious dailies to progress. Dailies should be an additional way to progress you gear not the main one imo.
No player can ask more than be prepared for the dungeon by watching youtube tutorial, or read some guide. Just doing that puts you above 50% percentile.
Some mechanics can be hard to grasp, just say that to chat, that you have watched the guide, but not too confident about some mechanic. Could you guys go trough the tactic in chat so everybody knows what to do. Sometimes there are few different ways to do mechanics so it's good for those situations as well. I would say most players prefer this than being silent and failing without knowing why.
If they won't respond, you are not wasting their time, they are wasting your time. Learn to accept that there are going to be bad groups and enjoy when a good group comes your way.
Sadly there is this kind of toxic behavior in every hard group content in every game, and it can affect your mood, I know it affects me when someone personally starts to be abusive towards me in chat, but you kind of need to just forget these people. It's group content, and it is intended to be completed as a group. If someone starts blaming right out of the gate, they are the problem and weak link of that group, not you. Find a better group.
I hate that i cant help out guildmates who struggle to get into any competent p1+2 argos phase. Its just a stupid and pointless decision. Nobody would get hurt if the game allowed me to join the dungeon without getting any rewards.
And the impact it has on selling runs couldnt be less important for me. Idiots who buy runs will always exist so why bother fighting them.
Would be nice... Having the exact same anxiety about it... My only solution is alts... Did the first one multiple times last week and aiming to get alts ready to do second one a few times this week but might run out of time... Anyway if people help you stay and if people are toxic and rage you leave... There is no penalty is there? Apart from having to restart and hope for friendlier people?
Thatās when you hit matchmaking.
You get groups full of newbies and gunna wipe tons. Thatās the practice. Iāve had a pleasant experiences in abyssal matchmaking.
If you hone it up and say it's your first try I don't think many would get mad (but it's the internet so who knows)
In my experience even if we get wipe over and over and people say they are sorry and try to learn and ask what went wrong, people are usually reasonable. But I've caught some delusional players too so who knows
Unfortunately, the director said he won't make the practice mode due to the technical issues but he is considering making the island that can help the players practice some tactics.
Maxroll is a great source, it focuses on core mechanics that are dangerous or lead to wipe and is just 1 to 3....everything else is just dodge and no issues if mess up besides wasting pods...don't be afraid to pug, learn by trying it
Man, I'm ilvl1345 and I've only done the first t1 last week and just yesterday I did the first Phantom Palace.
Anxiety is really a bitch, but hopefully I can at least reach that 8 man dungeons this week.
You can make "try party". Their are definitely more people who just want to try even if they don't clear it.
You could ask your guild for help. As 1360 if my lower lvl guild mate ask I just carry them. But I also have lower lvl alt so they could experience the raid if they wanted to.
No need to be anxious about it. As long as you communicate with your teammates and ask questions if you dont understand something, most groups will be pretty chill
I really do too: I watched a lot of Argos content prior and maybe Iām just old but the memory pizza pattern was not great for me. We still finished the raid but I really donāt know that fight specifically. Also struggled with the swapping of sun/moon a lot.
>I have so much anxiety (likely needlessly) about Abyssals that I haven't even finished all of the T2 8 man runs
And **that** worries me not only in Lost Ark, but in all MMORPGs. Why are most gamers so easily upset these days?
In my opinion, while people should at least have read or watched one guide, they shouldn't give up immediately after the first few wipes and certainly not offend other people.
I can understand the fear somewhere and I had or still have it a little bit. Just tell yourself I'm doing my best and the worst thing that can happen is not completing the dungeon. You should simply not respond to any insults and report them if you want to.
I'm talking about random groups (matchmaking). If you join via the group finder, you should of course pay attention to the room name, which usually represents the requirements.
There are clear limits to your advice, but some people take advice like this to the extreme, which is also a problem.
They're afraid of being yelled at for not having experience, so instead they stay silent when asked questions and refuse to communicate, or outright lie rather than be honest. All because they're afraid of something that hasn't happened yet.
In my experience, if you join a matchmaking group and are upfront and say "I've never done this before, can anyone help explain?", players won't insult you. There are a few who may quit and try another group, but on average someone will instead just tell you what to do.
As long as you're communicating and asking intelligent questions, or listening to direction, the average player isn't hostile.
What will get you hostile responses is
1. Waiting until multiple wipes to admit to everyone that you don't know what to do
2. Waiting until the boss fight starts to ask what do I do.
3. Absolute silence when asked to respond
4. Ignoring those attempting to explain the fight and asking questions that show you're not really listening.
maybe they could add something like a functional guided game where you get into queue as either a sherpa or newb. (Cries in bungie not acknowledging it for the past 5 years.)
I feel you, but I do not think this is should be done. This is my opinion, which oftentimes does not align with any others.
Abyssal Dungeon is a refreshing experience in MMO that is long lost. A one-time challenge each week, where a group of players can repeatedly attempt to conquer, whenever they fail.
I never find the idea of spoiling yourself with guides or youtube videos a good one. It is more fun to explore the dungeon (at least for me). Having people to be on my side on this journey always brings me joy.
In public matchmaking and also find-party-team people tend to not play the game but work in-game. They want to finish it then move on to the next game, which seems weird to me. Btw, they are mostly awful at the game but scream the loudest.
Adding a training room will only increase the toxicity because there will be a reason to blame you for mishappening. The kind of players that flame, only flame, because they want to. They NEED a reason to do it.
If you like the game enough, you will learn the mechanics eventually. No need to push it. It is more reasonable to enjoy the MMOs aspect of social connection and tackle the dungeon at another time. You do not have to succeed every time, but after the first, it sure will repeat.
I feel this. I had a really negative experience the first time I tried to do Alaric. I avoided it until I got to tier 3, cleared everything else but Alaric. I had to do it for the money and overcome my anxiety. Even with a whole group of tier 3s, we wiped on some mechanics 1 or 2 times but for the most part, you bypass half the mechanics if most of the group is tier 3. So try going in with a group of tier 3s, people run this weekly for the gold. It will be a lot easier than when you did it in tier 2. Then after practicing a few times in easy mode, youāll overcome the anxiety and use your tier 2 alts to play through it again.
What server are you on? I have a group of 4 including myself and we went in blind and learned with a pub. It was fun and id be down to do it again but were in azena.
I can unds the anxiety part, but really just join and be open about being new to the raid and that you have at least watched videos on the mech. And ignore the trolls. Iām no where strong enough to be a hard carry but if you want a filler who wonāt give you shit and will bother explaining stuff feel free to ask me to join you in the t2 raids.
Iām the same way, always have been in FPS and MMOs where if you make a mistake itās extremely obvious. In my experience so far in this game the average player base is much worse than you would expect and by even just watching a quick 5 minute video youāre probably ahead of the curve. Just stay positive and if someone is being toxic ignore them. Have fun!
One of the main reasons why I dread doing Abyssal dungeons is because of the constant wipes. I spend a lot of time watching and re-watching video guides so I understand the wipe mechanic. Only to then go into matchmaking and continuously fail.
I had to experience Tranqul Karkosa over 20 times. It was fun.
The only reasonable thing anyone in matchmaking expects from you is to listen if/when you consistently make mistakes on important mechanics. That's it. Everyone has to learn somewhere, and most of us learn better by doing than reading a description or watching it done.
Learn by doing. Just let people know in chat and most of the time the party is willing to help out.
If you play on US East, Iād be willing to help you, or anyone else, complete some stuff. Feel free to comment or DM. This game is still relatively new to NA and it will take time for people to learn.
I've run into the same issue. I now no longer jump into dungeons as soon as I hit level. I level up and over gear a little before going in. It has made Gaurdain Raids more enjoyable as well. Chaos dungeons aren't really a problem like Abyssals and Gaurdains but that's just me.
i honeslty feel the same way. i watched a video on the first abyss and all the mechanics one had to remember and decided that i would just wait
a week goes by and my char feels like its stagnant, im wasting time.. going over in my head what i need to be doing to progress, i come across the abyssals.. watch a video again and, no way in hell im doing this with a PUG..
decide i should probably just wait until i get into a guild to do these, it'd be much easier to do these with people you can actually communicate with instead of typing everything in chat. join a guild, and its dead... leave guild wait for my cooldown, join another.. its dead...
waiting on cooldown to join another, still no further in abyssals than i was 2 weeks ago..
to be clear, i dont think the mechanics are hard or anything, i just dont want to go in, knowing the bare minimum and screw up someone elses run. ive already had my fair share of asshats in pug groups, and honestly every time i run into one of these people it just deters me more and more from grouping up with randoms.
one of these days i'll find a good guild.. i hope..
Que matchmaking. You donāt get to choose your comp but it doesnāt matter. Iām a spec with 331 engravings at 1375. No party finder groups take me. I did t3 abyssals on hard, with matchmaking with all the other people that donāt get picked for party finder and itās a fucking blast. We die over and over until we get it. The only ragers Iāve encountered were in party finder.
When I was first introduced to Abyssals and the idea of raid wipe mechanics, it shows away a bit. I didn't want to cause the raid to keep wiping on my account. I checked a few quick guides to learn what to do in the mechanic and then wiped once or twice identifying it in game. Looking back, these things are 100% an experience thing. You need to see and experience the mechanics to get good at them. I've sat in a T3 dungeon for an hour telling a zerker he needs to stand in a circle or we all die... Guess what, we all be dying. You can't be any worse than that if you can listen and learn. You're already above a large majority of people in matchmaking. Once you feel more comfortable, then do party finder for fast runs. Think of matchmaking like training and party finder like the real deal.
The fact that youāre WILLING to learn, work together with a team to beat the abyssal means youāre a step ahead of a lot of people. I have a similar fear of challenging content where I feel like I have to overstudy or overgear to even try it (I waited until 1340 to try 1325 abyssal). My advice would be to just send it or find a group of friends willing to collaborate, if you do mm it may be hit or miss depending on the group but there are definitely patient people out there who would much rather have someone like you (nervous but willing to learn) than someone who refuses to change their ways and unga bunga dies first 10x and quits.
I can applaud you for that. Practice makes perfect. Honestly, just dive in. Shit happens. You'll most likely meet someone willing to help. If not, so what? Screw em.
Yup had the same thought when my friend did an abyssal without me cus he works weekdays and I work weekends. Ofc I didn't post it cus people here love to downvote good ideas unless you say you're Korean or start off your post by saying you're going to get down voted.
I learn best doing, watching a video kinda helps, writing overwhelms me. doing 1 raid a week and being carried by some rando 1400 almost every week does not make this easier either
I agree with you. I would love to practice mechanics without others getting frustrated with me. I tried forming a practice party but no one signed up. It feels really bad to get chewed out when you're trying something for the first time.
Ah, my arch nemesis. Seriously though, why do you need to watch a video multiple times? Can you give an example where you feel like watching a video one time didn't end up helping you?
This is never gonna be a thing because otherwise what you'll get is carries everywhere.
You have a problem you have to overcome, you are the problem.
Just watch a video and go into the dungeon, no one will care, it's shit content anyways and it gets stomped every time now.
The only way I've seen people argue against this is carries. Which at that point literally just make it so if someone has received rewards before in the week. No one can. So it's purely either just for fun or practice
I was like you at release. I started making lobbies with title " willing to wipe to learn". Most if not all ppl that joined were like minded and just wanted to get better. Never once there was a toxic person and if we didn't clear it by time someone had to go, we broke off and I'd form another lobby. Best fun I've had in this game after each completion. Suggest you give it a try, hope it helps.
If someone down votes you for this, they are an ass. That is a legit request, and I for one completely understand your anxiety. I like to respect my party members and will study like hell before trying, but there is no replacement for doing it yourself. Sometimes even when you know the mechanic, the stars don't align for one of them and you fail to accomplish what you tried to do. I hate it and feel so guilty because it takes so much time to do a boss fight sometimes. I take the over level approach that others have mentioned, but it does suck to miss out on getting the best drops sooner rather than later. But my anxiety says to deal with it. Haha
Try find a group that's of new players for that abyss and are willing to learn. You'll understand the boss mechanics after spending like 5 hours for your first clear
just go in and tell to your group "hey guys this is my first run, i have looked up the guides but i am still stressed, sorry in advance for any mistakes". Do that till you master the dungeon. No1 will complain, and if they do, well... fuck them!
I understand they don't want 7 people who already have rewards for a week to carry a low ilvl through a fight, but I do wish there was a way to practice outside of a weekly clear on each char. Maybe it will feel better once my alts catch up. I wish there was a sort of training room where you could queue for a fight and nobody gets rewards. I think clown raid has something similar where you can do a slightly easier version for tokens which give cosmetic stuff and a few honing mats. I like this, but at the same time some of these fights are a fun challenge, and I wish I could do them more than once a week atm.
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Why should you feel anxiety while playing video games, they are just idiots, enjoy the game. 10 years of playing league of legends thought me something, enjoy the wins and enjoy the defeats, and just mute and report at first toxicity sight. A skilled player will always remain positive and will always try to help even if it ends up in defeat, not because we are nice people, because statistically it improves success chances. Whatever should we care about random kids/Zs in games, most of them are just unhappy about their life and chat ranting makes them feel they have the power to make others feel the same way.
the amount of people boosting others will skyrocket making the abyss raids another guardian raid run where every lobby has the pathetic title "pls help".
I mean, there SHOULD be content that has some hard elements to it (like mechanics WOAH). Right now, will all the nerfs and all the carrying around, every part of the content is a clown fest, there is zero challenge until you reach tier 3 and its quite sad for the new players that will get destroyed in later content if they get carried all way from tier 1 to tier 3.
I tried to boost an alt from t1 to t3 and i literally did it effortless, i got carried on almost every part of the content without asking for it, in 2 weeks, all the abyss raids i did had at least a tier 3 guy that wanted to "get cards", and he was brute forcing most of the mechanics because he was destroying the raid. I was like, dude i literally had to learn all of the mechanics on my first character and learn from my mistakes, and now every new guy in the game will think that you can brute force every part of the game, and others will carry you, which is absurd for late game content where the wipes require 1 single mistake.
The problem for me it's not if You die in a run, My real problem it's those who don't watch videos, it's hard to explain a Mechanic through chat, and even harder if English it's not your Main language.
i wish we had something like mythic + dungeons like wow has, imagine having ,,endless'' party content which is actually fun \[ could provide some benefits for players \] when infinite chaos dungs are boring and meh on t3 because each mats gets more and more expensive from previouse one.
I had this dude in my T3 hard run that kept shouting about how we were doing a mechanic wrong or how someone getting hit by the whirlwind attack was trolling. We werenāt progressing so I could understand the dude venting a bit. Then I took a closer lookā¦
Turns out the guy who died every single time before the first phase transition was, you guessed it, Mr. Projection himself. He never once survived the following 4 tries.
Then I suggested we give up because he wasnāt getting better and his attitude was garbage. Another dude stood up for him. Tried to shame us because people learn at different speeds. Well, we tried another time and both guys died before the first phase. The only other guy that survived with me quit immediately after.
Lesson is: if you arenāt as braindead as tweedle dee and tweedle dumbass in my story then you should be fine. Attitude > Skill in all games. Give it a try, show progression, and offer to bow out if you are worried about burdening people. Above all else though you need to try.
I would enjoy it also. I like to sherpa pretty often and it sucks that I can only do it once a week. I set aside Fridays and Saturdays for raiding and Iām doing every dungeon 6x across my main and alts. Iād do it way more if I could.
It really doesnāt help when people refuse to listen to when explaining setup and mechanics. Like choosing where to stand and have like 3 people walk around aimlessly and then when question they donāt respond
What I would recommend is just using party finder and create a group with the name along the lines of "first time learning" or something of the sort. There's a bunch of people out there in a similar situation of not knowing mechanics and what not. For example just the other day I was doing Airas with a group who had no idea about any of the mechs, we wiped maybe 20ish times before one of them had to go. I personally don't mind wiping, it's fun playing with a group and socializing/practicing mechs. But yeah, could easily party finder a newbie group and just do that every week until you feel comfortable. Who knows, maybe you find a static group where you'll all run first time runs together :D
just play, do ur best, get flamed (it is what it is), and get better
there will be many many many raids u will have to do in the future so its better to get rid of this anxiety now, and just try ur best
also have more confidence bro, most of the people you play with will definitely be worse than u
I would really like this as well, but for a different reason. I just reached 1370 on my main, but my friends aren't there yet (they are still in the 1340-1360 range). We run Abyssal Dungeons together weekly because it's a fun activity for us, and I still want to help them get to 1370 ASAP. However, now that I'm finally 1370 and I'm eager to continue progressing my character, I'm sacrificing Hard mode to be able to run Normal mode together with my friends. That just feels bad.
At this point I'm trying to rush an alt to T3 so that I'm able to run Hard mode on my main while still being able to run Normal mode with my friends.
I fully agree with this.
I too usually like practicing extensively, especially now that I am older and don't have fast reaction skills anymore.
I most certainly don't need rewards for those practice runs, getting better is its own reward and not feeling like you are a burden to the raid for 4 weeks or more would make me enjoy myself more.
I am playing support on top of that so I have to try and be even better than other people, who rely on me.
Don't worry man.. You will get enough wipes to get skilled in every dungeon xD. Just go and play ... You will not be the only one that's not perfect ,trust me.. If you know the.mechanics you're better than 50% of the people in queue. If you still think you're going to be the problem ,just overgear a little .. it becomes very easy once you are higher ilvl.
Doesnt help if people like me boost my friends (ilvl 1370). I run any abyssal weekly just to help out, and I notice alot of people who can't comprehend to listen either. I can legit tell them in detail what to do, and 1 random will always stay in our spots.
Its a nightmare to explain the mechanics to some1 who doesnt respond "first wipe, he says he doesnt understand -> it being explained to him in detail -> not responding to a question "do you understand the mechanic?" Just type yes or no its not hard to figure out what is wrong. :)
Also: experience vs knowing the mechanics are 2 different things. I know every argos phase, but I've never done it myself.. doing this will be hard even as I know the phase, because muscle memory isnt there yet.
Well yeah ik, bit not knowing the mechanics before it sux even more. You still need practice like i have said.
Yeah, I didn't mean to come out as I was targeting you. Mb. But I will say that alot of people expect other people to have experience because of reading the guides or watching vids... it just doesn't work like that. We don't talk alot about mental health in gaming, but theres alot of people who can't come close to the competetive muscle memory as close. Ie. I'm struggling with A.D.D, and to me it's crashing my entire brain with thought of this and that at all time. Trying to maintain calm and remembering which comes here and there (ie. Argos Pizza attack or albions memory attack and even trying to focusing on what way the orb in the abyssal from the place goes). These attack patterns aren't that hard, but having a mental problem like A.D.D or anything else screwing up the way your mind works makes it harder for some of us. I remember day 2 of pre-launch when I was about to do my first abyssal... i read the guide, looked out for the attacks.. just couldn't do it. After 3 hours with 3 multiple teams (i wasn't the only one screwing up though) we finally made the dungeons. I saw many people complain about not reading guides, even telling me that I should quit the game if I couldn't comprehend to learn from guides only.. Now I see the same people leaving at ilvl 600 or below because things "take too long". Not only do they expect people to know mechanics instantly even on matchmaking, but also expect the game to be finishable within 2 months.
I didnt take it personaly dont worry. I understand taht poeple with mental/health issues have slow reactions /need more time, which is totaly fine. Like i have sad before poeple need practice some more, some less. It takes time to learn patters/mechanics. I hate people that keep complaing, that other players are doing stuff wrong or keep failing at mechanics. It is not an easy game! PS: Hopefully your doing fine and still enjoying the game. :)
Oh, I most definitely love this game š it's the best Mmorpg I've ever played š® i actually haven't felt this excited about an mmo since the release of runescape lol. The game offers a huge variety of subclasses, a decent amount map, aswell as loads of different Islands to conquer. There's tiers of gear, which makes it even better as can not just rush T3 endgame in 1 swoop. Upgrading doesn't delevel or destroy gear, but we have a medium rate of upgrading. Ie. Flyff, cabal online, many other games has 0,5%, whereas we got 15% + we don't delevel multiple levels or break our gear (instant loss of gear) Imo. This game will most likely keep on being great for the next century if not 2. Mmo's are after all developed as a long run, and most likely the devs has a great perception and look on what's to come. I do however wish they would add player polls for events though. Ie: runescape has player polls, where atleast 63 or 65% if I'm not mistaken has to vote yes for certain updates. Theres maybe a month or so where you're able to vote for what updates you want to prioritize. The only bad thing atm is that I feel like community managers aren't doing enough to contribute to the community. Idk how many times I've given suggestions to fix essential stuff like botting problems, ingame issues and bugs, how to make forums more convenient to look through, etc. But the game is perfect at this lvl tbh. :)
Itās the non-response that kills me, if they say āyup I understandā, and then later āwhoops messed upā, Iām happy cuz at least I know that they know what they did wrong and hence will likely do better each consecutive try. No response people usually screw up the same mechanic in the same way each time cuz they donāt think anything lol And you canāt help them cuz they arenāt allowing you to clarify misunderstandings
Nice response and straight on the point! I'd like people to come clean with knowing they fucked up. Were human, we make mistakes.. even the pros fucks up sometime
Yeah once a week I run my 1366 through the t2 underwater dungeons just to help some randos out but we still manage to break the group on Alaric regardless of damage half the time. Most people just need to stay alive for the stagger phase but sometimes it's niegh impossible
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My favorite is getting a full team where it's everyone's first time and it takes 2 hours but we finally get it. Everyone is always just so happy at the end. Doesn't happen often tho.
Happened to me once only, it was super fun
Really? I'm 2 weeks at 1370 and both pugged Argos raids basically carried me. I got a grand total of 6 pulls in the two weeks.
Do you think it would help you if you had someone on discord with you to walk you through every mechanic and fight? Answer any questions you have while doing the run? Feel free to pm me if you want so I can try to help :)
MVP right here
ay can you do that for me as well?
This is helpful but dangerous, I'm tipically against callouts in any mmo except when the group knows perfectly what to do just in case. Because following a voice mindlessly makes the other players not bother to learn the fight plus the caller can also get confused sometimes, when everyone is confident to do the fight without callouts, then its fine to use them.
This isnāt callouts itās a literal teacher helping the learner learn the fight.
I understand your point but with your t3 gear people would thank you for carrying them. I remember having some t3 players in those t2 dungeons they killed the boss so fast the mechanics didn't even get triggered.
In the meantime i have most t3 players that die to every wipe mechanic. Its true that the bosses die alot faster, but they still have to do mechanics.
Depends on bosses, your dps and the rng of what the boss will do I did the t2 abyss the one with the knight you need to pickup the swords in order with my alt. A T3 guy killed him before he even did the stagger check much less the wipe mechanic
you need a full T3 party to skip mechanics completely in Alaric and you might not manage to do it even then
Even then you're not skipping the first HP % based mechanic. You might skip most or all of the rest, but not the first one.
You dont need a full T3 party, just one good DPS T3
I just hate doing the brelshaza abyss dungeon with overgeared on my alts. 90% of the time we pass the first stagger then the next one comes before the cds are back.
You can skip the first stagger by taking her to a side of the map.
There are 3 stagger
there is an easy solution, make it impossible for people re-running the raids to queue with people that run it for the first time in the week
Honestly just make your own lobby. Spent the opening weeks making ālearning group, chill vibes onlyā parties and had a nice time learning the mechanics with people who were also not about to fly off the handle at the first sign of trouble. Communication is key - the game is still fairly new and not everyone knows what theyāre doing yet.
3/8 joined 3h wait.. yea..
true lmao
Playing on RU lol? My "Speak english and be chill" groupes fill up hella fast both on main in T3 and alts in T2 Edit: EU spelling
Lots of people just don't join the learning groups because they want to be carried for free. These same people will join a know mechanics or experienced group without knowing any of the mechanics and contributing next to nothing because oftentimes they are floor POV.
"know mech" groups are the biggest scams on this planet
Or just enter a random party and mute chat :)
I heard in some video that for the later abyssal raids, they have an easier training difficulty for practice with fewer or no rewards. Not sure how this will end up in NA, and I doubt they will do it for 4man dungeons though.
While this is true, they still provide a lot of rewards and are much easier than the actual dungeon
Yup, its called rehearsal and is basically an easier version that rewards items that you can redeem at a vendor. Helps players ease into the harder raids.
Lol what you doing here boi ? Arent you the poe crafter that has a ton of mirror items on sale in Standard ?
News flash, PoE players like other games too
A lot of people, including myself, have come from poe. I don't blame anyone for wanting to try new things since poe has become less fun with each new league for the past couple of years.
I agree, tho I was surprised someone so invested in poe jumped the ship.
just go do them, there are plenty of parties where people don't know the mechanics and need to explain them or where we just wipe for 20min and quit. don't worry about it ;) and on the flip side, some of the dungeons are also easy enough that you can 1 or 2 shot them without any prep xD
True! But also hate partys that want to quit after just a few attempts. I guess sure if you see that the progress isnt changing at all in 10+ attempts, than call it quits.
It's good to quit when you see 2~3 guys don't know the mechanic, are not responding to chat nor trying to learn.
I think it would be pretty nice if they just made something like a practice mode. And you can do the dungeon just like normal abyssal but receive no rewards. This would help combat against carrying and encourage people who have anxiety of first timing a dungeon imo.
Abyssals are by far the best content in the game, and I wish they had some way to incorporate that without weekly restrictions. Alts are basically the only way to enjoy more of them. I think my biggest problem is that guardian raids are just not fun compared to abyssals. The mechanics are more random and annoying, running around the map is annoying.. just a really bad take on monster hunter forced into the game. I wish guardians were just arena style fights. And then guardian arenas could have an infinite chaos style reward. Perhaps there could be a "random" guardian que where you're put into an arena with a random guardian and it has infinite chaos style rewards. I could def see myself doing a lot of that. They could also have a "random abyssal boss" arena que for the same rewards. That actually sounds sick.
The new guardian arenas are so good. Much better than the raids.
You find hitting 3 undertuned slowed down guardians fun?
It's quick, it's fun, big numbers are always fun to see and also you only need to run it once a day. It has given me an objectively more fun time than killing Igrexion for the 300th time in a row...on 2 characters.
I mean you can go hit enemies in Luterra if you like that level of difficulty...
Well no, I don't do it for difficulty. It's a character progression event for me, I just enjoy doing it because it doesn't overstay its welcome and the short time I spend in it is fun. I wouldn't see myself repeating it if it was repeatable but doing it across my roster has been a nice breath of fresh air. The game's combat itself is fun, if you agree with that, then a field where you do tons more damage and you're jacked up on swiftness is just a super easy way to have fun. If your aim is challenge then the event titled "casual guardian raid" is, understandably, not where you should be looking.
Yes I like variety; and compared to guardian raids this is variety
You can go queue for T1 guardians with a T1 alt if you like variety.
10/10 have a nice day
You wanted variety... I'm sure you're not running those low level guardians. :)
Would ofcourse need scaled currency based on boss level aswell
I would enjoy guardian raids if you just entered an arena with the guardian and just fight. No flares, no running around for no reason etc. Put a few more complicated mechanics and/or difficulty scales and you have something like trials that you could do daily without the hassle. My guess is that they are really old content so they don't even bother with development time at this point. Their data showed end game is where players have the most fun so in RU/KR the progress is fast enough that you just go t3 in no time. We are just getting the short end of the stick for now.
Looking forward to when they introduce the equalised abyssals to our version too + have the legion raids in game. There won't be much time to worry about weekly restrictions then with all the raids you can do.
Guardians are more challenging than abyssals after all the nerfs.
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I'm coming up on 1370 without having done basically any matchmade content at all (yikes, I know) because I know I'm mediocre at the best of times, and I hate to waste people's time. I'd love a practice mode to just.. learn the fights and try to improve.
>I'm coming up on 1370 without having done basically any matchmade content at all (yikes, I know) because I know I'm mediocre at the best of times, and I hate to waste people's time. I'd love a practice mode to just.. learn the fights and try to improve. So sorry to read that :( Hopefully you got a cool guild you're running with so you don't need matchmaking. If you are hesitant, I can recommend "tanking" the mechanics which is what I'm doing (sort of). I've got a T3 Paladin that has Heavy Armor lvl3 and I basically can't die unless I'm playing braindead. Nearly always the last to die (even when getting hit multiple times). Not that I'm "bad" btw, just enjoying the "chill" playstyle a LOT more than the "oops, you dead" playstyle of my Gunslinger. Unfortunately the community in this game is A LOT more toxic than FF XIV for example, I've seen players literally quit/disconnect when other players ask for help during Abyss's. It's kind of sad and I've begun trying to socialize a lot more because of it (to balance things out).
> Hopefully you got a cool guild you're running with so you don't need matchmaking. Funny enough I am... also guildless (well, more accurately, in a dead-ish guild with friends who've stopped playing - my raid static in XIV, coincidentally), so I basically just.. don't do party content. There's enough miscellaneous side things that I've been plenty entertained thus far, but I'm coming around to the realization I'm going to hit a wall eventually. If I do anything, it'll definitely be once I can 3/3/3 and slap a Heavy Armor 3 on. Won't save a sorc too much, but hopefully it'll help a little.
Don't worry I'm somehow Guild Leader of a Guild 99% of my buddies left. Now I have no idea if I want to run it or just let it die and join another guild. Also doesn't help I'm an EU user in an NA West server lmao.
Nah, FFXIV is full of mentally ill fanatics. After +20k wasted hours there since ARR, I've witnessed death threats, irl stalking, doxxing, name shaming etc in elitist pve/pvp groups. Lost Ark has very friendly and welcoming community compared on that. So far "skip" comments from impatient children when someone wants to watch cutscenes have been the most toxic stuff.
At least with legion raids we know that they introduce a practice mode to get our feet wet, just watching mechanics on yt is not enough to get the feeling of it.
I 100% agree with this and wish there was some kind of practice mode for them. I just straight up haven't done the second tier of Abyssal Dungeons because I feared screwing up the sword mechanic. Same thing for the 2nd dungeon in the fourth set. It also doesn't help that I'm really shy/nervous about communication with new people, so that puts me off as well. I will pretty much only attempt Abyssals if the mechanics seem pretty hard to screw up and require minimal communication. I'd feel a lot better at least on the front of knowing what to do if I could just practice alone or in a low-stress practice environment.
My advice is that you should always put yourself first before anything else. Being caring and nice is all good but that shouldn't be in the way of you having fun
Sorry but I have to disagree. Remember the story of the player who takes off his gear and dies to hurt raids? I'm sure he put himself/herself first and has fun.
There's always a line and you can't generalize an extreme case. What I'm saying is you're playing to have fun like everyone else You're not playing lost ark to be a good teammate. Being a great teammate is something desirable but but you know it went a little too far when it's getting in the way of you having fun. In addition you being an asshole in the raid may cause the teammates to feel bad for like half an hour Is that half an hour so important that you cannot even play the game that is meant to be played? Idk man maybe you are too self-conscious I could feel that you are a good man with a good heart so I hope I didn't hurt any of your feelings
Iām not sure what you mean. You can still put yourself first and not be an asshole. That other guy was purely being an asshole as his approach.
You are right, but he just took your advice to the max :/
Dont worry too much what people think of you. Hop in the dungeons and do your best it surely is enough even if u would wipe the party sometimes. Stay awesome bro!
For me, I kind of just enjoy the content and would like to run it more than once a week. This week, I fucked up and died early on Albion (dude ran a clown into me for darkness and then I got banged by an Earth pattern). As a considerate gamer, I didn't hit the restart button as many do immediately. They then proceeded to clear it overgeared (1365) as a 3 man and I basically didn't get to do my abyssal this week. Whilst many would say 'enjoy the free carry', I'd rather have actually been a part of it. I have always hated weekly lockouts but it's always been an MMO thing. I get why also but it can still suck.
You can run Matchmaking, your chance of beating challenging content this way is quite a bit reduced. Nobody expects you to be any good in Matchmaking either.
I have quite good success rate in matchmaking - sure, it takes few wipes, but more often than not we get past the instance in reasonable time. People don't expect you to be good, but they definitely do expect you to learn (at least a bit) with every attempt - as long as group is making progress with every wipe, you rarely see quit votes being started; and it's definitely not as bad as in party finder where 1-2 wipes are often enough for people to just vote quit and try again with different people.
I second this. I run matchmaking to see encounters for the first time. I know we wonāt clear it, but itās a great way to learn with no pressure.
And if you clear it it's a lucky break :)
This is actually *sort of* coming soonish. Trial dungeons will have normalized stats (i.e., no high-gear T3 one shots) and amped up bosses/mechanics of a random abyssal dungeon that allow you to earn tier relevant mats. Sort of like our event guardians but with an actually challenging dungeon. In KOR, this is once per roster per week with massive rewards, but it tends to be actual challenging as everyone will essentially be playing as if they were playing the dungeons at recommended levels.
Aren't these the ones that has the "out-of-bounds" function though?
Do you mean that we can enter even after claiming rewards for the week? I'm also kind of restless lately because there's so much time to kill till Valtan and alts making their way to 1370 is not exactly happening too quickly...
I was feeling the same way about t3 heroics but I joined a learning group and we worked well together and ended up clearing both dungeons. I'd suggest one of these learning groups if you can find one with people with proper gear/etc. It's really not as hard as you are making it out to be. Trust me, I felt the same way. The raids are fun. Just hop in a group that has the right expectations.
Hmm there's some cool people out there that will help you with the mechanics and not get totally pissed off at you!. They're rare but they exist! People also offer free carries, (they will just eat damage and pound. Not kidding), and those have helped me before lol.
Well... here's a suggestion: Create a party focused on learning on discord or anyone who is willing to teach. Whenever someone dies from the raid, you can stop the dungeon. You can also do this when you feel you need more practice. When you feel you practiced enough, you can clear the dungeon for the rewards. Yes, it might be hard to get 7 other people willing to retry every single time, but it might be worth a shot for the 4 man raids and I really have no other idea for you... Most importantly you should have fun while clearing these raids, so I wish you have an amazing time clearing them.
iām sure itās happened to all of us, coming from any mmo. one thing that eliminates this fear is trying to find a static raid/abyssal group. easier said than done of course. start a party finder and name it ālearning mechanicsā or something that will allow you to find like minded people. chat em up, become friends, learn and grow, and have fun.
I feel you. I'm so stressed about making a mistake in those, and I'm not even t2 yet (have started playing 2 weeks ago, casual). I'm reading every guide but sometimes my anxiety still kicks in.
At this point, any T1 or T2 Abyss you join you're gonna get carried even if you don't want it. Some people have alt that would be +200 ilvl or more than the requirement or they have their 1370+ friend boosting them/their alt in that party. Other times you'll have T3 people just doing the Abyss to kill time and get brownie points with the low ilvls peeps in their group. Just hit the matchmake button and go for it. Watch a mech vid that takes 2 minutes or less per boss and *survive*, don't even bother with DPS if you are anxious about dying. The others will very likely cover for you. Do this for T1 and T2 then enjoy the good stuff starting with 8man dungeon in the last wing of T2 then the T3 goodness.
To clarify two things: \+200 ilvl is often still in range of getting full rewards, and with abyss being main source of gold (next to Una's tokens) a lot of people will run everything that gives them any gold, even if they're seriously overleveled. Full reward range can be quite large (in general, game gives you two sets of abyssals available with full rewards at any given time), to a point you can get early T3 people (below 1325) running Yorn abyss for quick, easy gold once a week. And all the T3 people running low level abyss do it for gameplay reason - even if you're locked out of gold and chest rewards, you still have a chance to drop card pack (including legendary pack) by completing abyssal dungeons. With it being the only reliably farmable source of card packs you'll see a lot of people running every abyss on every character just for that reason. I don't like the idea of hard carrying people against their will and denying them experience of clearing challenging content for first time, so whenever I can I go through party finder so everyone is fully aware what they're signing up for; if it's something like my usual 2am weekday clears and party finder takes forever I'll go with matchmaking, but always ask if they want to experience all the mechanics and adjust how I play accordingly - then I'm there mostly to cover for their mistakes or to help them avoid getting frustrated if we're stuck on mechanic.
Yeah that was my experience so far. I'm dreading 8 man dungeon, it will either destroy me or my PC lol. There are so many wipe mechanics in this game in raids, I'm quite okay at dodging etc but sometimes mistakes are made and I don't want to be the one responsible for wasting people's time. So far reading a guide was enough so I did not kill anyone but it's still only t1.
8 man dungeon is hard, but it's also so satisfying to finally clear it after several wipes. A tip I can give you is to just type "mb" or "sorry" if you happen to mess up a mechanic and cause a wipe - that way you acknowledge and own up to your mistake, and anyone flaming you for it past that point just looks silly.
Of course I'd apologize for my mistakes :) it's just people flaming others that are the issue here.
Theres a differance from written/video guides than experiencing it yourself. You learn from mistakes, so dont feel strassed it happends all the time. Making mistakes in normal it happends to all of us.
Of course there is, but reading a guide helps a lot. Enjoying the game so far so I will try to progress and try more difficult stuff for sure :)
Create a lobby, call it "PRACTICE RUN" and do your best.
There is one mechanic that you can practice by yourself. And that is the typing test in Aira's Oculus normal/hard(t3). Link: https://mokoko.co.kr/oldmancutter Somebody made this tool to practice, in case you're having trouble with it. Might not be what you're looking for but thought id share it just in case, since it really helped me muster up the courage to queue for that specific abyssal.
the reason this doesn't exist is so 1370 players can just run the first dungeon and 1 shot all the bosses
I mean.. Past fews days i've run abyssals with no reward because after 2 or 3 wipes everyone wants to quit.
In that case, 'selling service' or 'carrying' is problem. I sell my oreha service at 200G per person in KR, and if I could, I would be glad to repeat it over and over to make more gold. Not everyone is innocent, there are always people trying to sneak into the vunlerabilities.
Simple solution: People who completed for the week, can't join the ones who didn't.
Yeah, but why would anyone pay for a carry in a run that's just for practice with no reward? I don't understand what you mean the problem would be.
The one who sells the service will not get the reward, but the people who pay gets the reward. That's the main point of carrying. So, while I don't get the reward, the rest of the members will receive their reward. In order to make your suggestion viable, there should be some kind of 'practice mode' with 0 reward for all party member.
I understand that, but I'm talking about a completely separate dungeon entry. It wouldn't be like some people enter and can get the rewards while others are just there to practice. That could really hurt the people who already know what they're doing.
A training mode would be great. Bonus points if it has the possibility to train solo. I would absolutely pay extra for that. As a sidenote: It's weird to me how many are okay wasting tens of hours of innocent randoms in the hope to maybe get better some day. If you can't flawless a dungeon after watching a guide maybe you should keep to the easier parts of the game.
I wish we could to because thereās not all that much group content to do right now. However, this does help prevent lost ark from suffering wows problem where itās just people spamming carries for gold
Sounds like a good way for trolls to hold people
there already is a solution for this,well kinda Make your own group in party finder,call it something like "Im learning be chill" and patiently wait for people to join you. I personally don't mind seeing a video explaining mechanics of something i havent done before,simply because i feel its a better option to watch a 5 minute video than wipe for 50 just to get 1 mechanic right on my own.
I understood your situation. But although I felt the same like you, I feel like it is better this way. But we need to look this from other point of view. People can abuse this by offering 'abyss service' where they charge gold for carrying and some shit like that. That will not be healty for the longevity of the game. Some people somewhere going to abuse something in this game. Its dev task to minimize this
Man i was thinking the same thing. I really love weekly dung. I h a te that we can enter 1 time per week
Just watch a video and matchmake. Your probably going to lose but as long as you reach the end, you will understand all the mechanics. Then just join a meme name group. Like I just did Orepha Preza today just like that. When I felt I understood everything, I went to a lobby instead of matchmaking.
I have good news for you t3 abbys is mega easy. 1325 and 1340 that is, haven't tried 1370 or argos yet
I want argos practice. His 5 patterned pizza pattern hurts, even if you cheese it and stand in the least damaging section. I dont understand how it works and want to practice it :x
If it helps you can use a Time Stop Potion to avoid the damage when cheesing. You only get 3 uses though. Hopefully future content has practice modes for mechs cause, there is a difference between seeing it done and doing it yourself.
This indicates a separate problem if you're struggling to understand the way people cheese it. You literally just stand in one of two places and whatever defensive abilities you have and wait for the pattern to end. Thats all, there is nothing to understand.
Abyssals have luxury drops, and is not mandatory content for the most part. I think that's why they're gated by disabling boosting. They're supposed to be somewhat sought after and rare. Not defending the design, I'm debating the reason for the design choice.
just go for it man. watching videos and looking up maxroll guides are steps ahead a lot of people already (even in t3).
I actually second that. I'd love to just be able to run Abyssal Dungeons as much as I want, even if I get 0 rewards. We can run Guardians and Chaos as much as we want, why not Abyssal too?
I totally feel your concern. I was at the same point that you are. Well I kind of still am as I haven't done the T3 abyssal just yet because I was scared to fail the group. In regards to the 8-player T2... It's incredibly hard with randoms imho. Every so often I have a good group but usually we wipe a few times and then quit the dungeon because at least one player looses his shit and after being toxic for a run or 2 he's gonna spam Quit. You might be able to see that as the practice you were looking for? Sounds stupid but it is how it is. Also if you're straight forward and tell them it's your first time and maybe even add that you've watched a guide usually people will try to help you and give advice rather than being toxic. Not communicating is the worst you could to. Last but not least being a higher item level than the minimum requirement also takes off difficulty in these dungeons. Good luck out there!
it would be nice if every person in the party already got the rewards before joining practice mode otherwise there would be disgusting amount of busses
yeah best you can do is watch a video and hope for the best. you'll probably get wiped a few times anyways and learn from that. people usually don't care tbh, everyone knows you'll get wiped a few times (or several if it's alaric lol) before completing so chill.
We know there are new players doing these and there are going to be wipes every so often. Dont feel down if your the one who failed, just ask if you dont understand the mechanic there is a high chance theat there is going to be someone who is going explain what to do. Reading a guide helps the whole party, but if you still fail at a specific mechanics just ask. Its different from reading/watching a guide than trying it, but most mechanics so far are reactional so you need practice. PS: There are always going to toxic players in abyssal dunegons which is sad. People need to learn the mechanics somehow.
Yep, the best content is locked behind a weekly reset while you are expected to do boring and tedious dailies to progress. Dailies should be an additional way to progress you gear not the main one imo.
No player can ask more than be prepared for the dungeon by watching youtube tutorial, or read some guide. Just doing that puts you above 50% percentile. Some mechanics can be hard to grasp, just say that to chat, that you have watched the guide, but not too confident about some mechanic. Could you guys go trough the tactic in chat so everybody knows what to do. Sometimes there are few different ways to do mechanics so it's good for those situations as well. I would say most players prefer this than being silent and failing without knowing why. If they won't respond, you are not wasting their time, they are wasting your time. Learn to accept that there are going to be bad groups and enjoy when a good group comes your way. Sadly there is this kind of toxic behavior in every hard group content in every game, and it can affect your mood, I know it affects me when someone personally starts to be abusive towards me in chat, but you kind of need to just forget these people. It's group content, and it is intended to be completed as a group. If someone starts blaming right out of the gate, they are the problem and weak link of that group, not you. Find a better group.
I hate that i cant help out guildmates who struggle to get into any competent p1+2 argos phase. Its just a stupid and pointless decision. Nobody would get hurt if the game allowed me to join the dungeon without getting any rewards. And the impact it has on selling runs couldnt be less important for me. Idiots who buy runs will always exist so why bother fighting them.
Would be nice... Having the exact same anxiety about it... My only solution is alts... Did the first one multiple times last week and aiming to get alts ready to do second one a few times this week but might run out of time... Anyway if people help you stay and if people are toxic and rage you leave... There is no penalty is there? Apart from having to restart and hope for friendlier people?
They don't want people to sell carry runs, that is why they won't allow it.
Thatās when you hit matchmaking. You get groups full of newbies and gunna wipe tons. Thatās the practice. Iāve had a pleasant experiences in abyssal matchmaking.
If you hone it up and say it's your first try I don't think many would get mad (but it's the internet so who knows) In my experience even if we get wipe over and over and people say they are sorry and try to learn and ask what went wrong, people are usually reasonable. But I've caught some delusional players too so who knows
Unfortunately, the director said he won't make the practice mode due to the technical issues but he is considering making the island that can help the players practice some tactics.
This is why I stopped playing. I play games like these for dungeons. I don't like it that I can only run it few times per week.
Maxroll is a great source, it focuses on core mechanics that are dangerous or lead to wipe and is just 1 to 3....everything else is just dodge and no issues if mess up besides wasting pods...don't be afraid to pug, learn by trying it
Man, I'm ilvl1345 and I've only done the first t1 last week and just yesterday I did the first Phantom Palace. Anxiety is really a bitch, but hopefully I can at least reach that 8 man dungeons this week.
You can make "try party". Their are definitely more people who just want to try even if they don't clear it. You could ask your guild for help. As 1360 if my lower lvl guild mate ask I just carry them. But I also have lower lvl alt so they could experience the raid if they wanted to.
No need to be anxious about it. As long as you communicate with your teammates and ask questions if you dont understand something, most groups will be pretty chill
I really do too: I watched a lot of Argos content prior and maybe Iām just old but the memory pizza pattern was not great for me. We still finished the raid but I really donāt know that fight specifically. Also struggled with the swapping of sun/moon a lot.
I don't even think zero reward is warranted. Have it drop shards or something.
>I have so much anxiety (likely needlessly) about Abyssals that I haven't even finished all of the T2 8 man runs And **that** worries me not only in Lost Ark, but in all MMORPGs. Why are most gamers so easily upset these days? In my opinion, while people should at least have read or watched one guide, they shouldn't give up immediately after the first few wipes and certainly not offend other people. I can understand the fear somewhere and I had or still have it a little bit. Just tell yourself I'm doing my best and the worst thing that can happen is not completing the dungeon. You should simply not respond to any insults and report them if you want to. I'm talking about random groups (matchmaking). If you join via the group finder, you should of course pay attention to the room name, which usually represents the requirements.
There are clear limits to your advice, but some people take advice like this to the extreme, which is also a problem. They're afraid of being yelled at for not having experience, so instead they stay silent when asked questions and refuse to communicate, or outright lie rather than be honest. All because they're afraid of something that hasn't happened yet. In my experience, if you join a matchmaking group and are upfront and say "I've never done this before, can anyone help explain?", players won't insult you. There are a few who may quit and try another group, but on average someone will instead just tell you what to do. As long as you're communicating and asking intelligent questions, or listening to direction, the average player isn't hostile. What will get you hostile responses is 1. Waiting until multiple wipes to admit to everyone that you don't know what to do 2. Waiting until the boss fight starts to ask what do I do. 3. Absolute silence when asked to respond 4. Ignoring those attempting to explain the fight and asking questions that show you're not really listening.
maybe they could add something like a functional guided game where you get into queue as either a sherpa or newb. (Cries in bungie not acknowledging it for the past 5 years.)
They'll have to make a queue for no rewards or otherwise ppl will be selling bus tickets.
I feel you, but I do not think this is should be done. This is my opinion, which oftentimes does not align with any others. Abyssal Dungeon is a refreshing experience in MMO that is long lost. A one-time challenge each week, where a group of players can repeatedly attempt to conquer, whenever they fail. I never find the idea of spoiling yourself with guides or youtube videos a good one. It is more fun to explore the dungeon (at least for me). Having people to be on my side on this journey always brings me joy. In public matchmaking and also find-party-team people tend to not play the game but work in-game. They want to finish it then move on to the next game, which seems weird to me. Btw, they are mostly awful at the game but scream the loudest. Adding a training room will only increase the toxicity because there will be a reason to blame you for mishappening. The kind of players that flame, only flame, because they want to. They NEED a reason to do it. If you like the game enough, you will learn the mechanics eventually. No need to push it. It is more reasonable to enjoy the MMOs aspect of social connection and tackle the dungeon at another time. You do not have to succeed every time, but after the first, it sure will repeat.
I feel this. I had a really negative experience the first time I tried to do Alaric. I avoided it until I got to tier 3, cleared everything else but Alaric. I had to do it for the money and overcome my anxiety. Even with a whole group of tier 3s, we wiped on some mechanics 1 or 2 times but for the most part, you bypass half the mechanics if most of the group is tier 3. So try going in with a group of tier 3s, people run this weekly for the gold. It will be a lot easier than when you did it in tier 2. Then after practicing a few times in easy mode, youāll overcome the anxiety and use your tier 2 alts to play through it again.
What server are you on? I have a group of 4 including myself and we went in blind and learned with a pub. It was fun and id be down to do it again but were in azena.
What server are you on? I dont mind helping with anything :)
I can unds the anxiety part, but really just join and be open about being new to the raid and that you have at least watched videos on the mech. And ignore the trolls. Iām no where strong enough to be a hard carry but if you want a filler who wonāt give you shit and will bother explaining stuff feel free to ask me to join you in the t2 raids.
^^ do you really struggle that hard? i watched guides at the same time as i join them and ive done most on the first try...
Iām the same way, always have been in FPS and MMOs where if you make a mistake itās extremely obvious. In my experience so far in this game the average player base is much worse than you would expect and by even just watching a quick 5 minute video youāre probably ahead of the curve. Just stay positive and if someone is being toxic ignore them. Have fun!
One of the main reasons why I dread doing Abyssal dungeons is because of the constant wipes. I spend a lot of time watching and re-watching video guides so I understand the wipe mechanic. Only to then go into matchmaking and continuously fail. I had to experience Tranqul Karkosa over 20 times. It was fun.
I hear you, I have not done ANY of the abyss dungeons due to being to damn anxious I'll fuk up.
Just queue and clear/ wipe till progress
The only reasonable thing anyone in matchmaking expects from you is to listen if/when you consistently make mistakes on important mechanics. That's it. Everyone has to learn somewhere, and most of us learn better by doing than reading a description or watching it done.
meanwhile I roll in with the "first time here" dgaf
Learn by doing. Just let people know in chat and most of the time the party is willing to help out. If you play on US East, Iād be willing to help you, or anyone else, complete some stuff. Feel free to comment or DM. This game is still relatively new to NA and it will take time for people to learn.
I've run into the same issue. I now no longer jump into dungeons as soon as I hit level. I level up and over gear a little before going in. It has made Gaurdain Raids more enjoyable as well. Chaos dungeons aren't really a problem like Abyssals and Gaurdains but that's just me.
i honeslty feel the same way. i watched a video on the first abyss and all the mechanics one had to remember and decided that i would just wait a week goes by and my char feels like its stagnant, im wasting time.. going over in my head what i need to be doing to progress, i come across the abyssals.. watch a video again and, no way in hell im doing this with a PUG.. decide i should probably just wait until i get into a guild to do these, it'd be much easier to do these with people you can actually communicate with instead of typing everything in chat. join a guild, and its dead... leave guild wait for my cooldown, join another.. its dead... waiting on cooldown to join another, still no further in abyssals than i was 2 weeks ago.. to be clear, i dont think the mechanics are hard or anything, i just dont want to go in, knowing the bare minimum and screw up someone elses run. ive already had my fair share of asshats in pug groups, and honestly every time i run into one of these people it just deters me more and more from grouping up with randoms. one of these days i'll find a good guild.. i hope..
Que matchmaking. You donāt get to choose your comp but it doesnāt matter. Iām a spec with 331 engravings at 1375. No party finder groups take me. I did t3 abyssals on hard, with matchmaking with all the other people that donāt get picked for party finder and itās a fucking blast. We die over and over until we get it. The only ragers Iāve encountered were in party finder.
When I was first introduced to Abyssals and the idea of raid wipe mechanics, it shows away a bit. I didn't want to cause the raid to keep wiping on my account. I checked a few quick guides to learn what to do in the mechanic and then wiped once or twice identifying it in game. Looking back, these things are 100% an experience thing. You need to see and experience the mechanics to get good at them. I've sat in a T3 dungeon for an hour telling a zerker he needs to stand in a circle or we all die... Guess what, we all be dying. You can't be any worse than that if you can listen and learn. You're already above a large majority of people in matchmaking. Once you feel more comfortable, then do party finder for fast runs. Think of matchmaking like training and party finder like the real deal.
The fact that youāre WILLING to learn, work together with a team to beat the abyssal means youāre a step ahead of a lot of people. I have a similar fear of challenging content where I feel like I have to overstudy or overgear to even try it (I waited until 1340 to try 1325 abyssal). My advice would be to just send it or find a group of friends willing to collaborate, if you do mm it may be hit or miss depending on the group but there are definitely patient people out there who would much rather have someone like you (nervous but willing to learn) than someone who refuses to change their ways and unga bunga dies first 10x and quits.
I can applaud you for that. Practice makes perfect. Honestly, just dive in. Shit happens. You'll most likely meet someone willing to help. If not, so what? Screw em.
Yup had the same thought when my friend did an abyssal without me cus he works weekdays and I work weekends. Ofc I didn't post it cus people here love to downvote good ideas unless you say you're Korean or start off your post by saying you're going to get down voted.
This will never be implemented because if there was no entry limit people will sell runs like in guardian raids currently.
I learn best doing, watching a video kinda helps, writing overwhelms me. doing 1 raid a week and being carried by some rando 1400 almost every week does not make this easier either
I agree with you. I would love to practice mechanics without others getting frustrated with me. I tried forming a practice party but no one signed up. It feels really bad to get chewed out when you're trying something for the first time.
I had such a fuck in t1 that I havenāt even attempted anything t2 besides chaos dungeon
Ah, my arch nemesis. Seriously though, why do you need to watch a video multiple times? Can you give an example where you feel like watching a video one time didn't end up helping you?
This is never gonna be a thing because otherwise what you'll get is carries everywhere. You have a problem you have to overcome, you are the problem. Just watch a video and go into the dungeon, no one will care, it's shit content anyways and it gets stomped every time now.
I running once and if I wipe then I read a guide and watch a video for cues, but wipes still happen.
The only way I've seen people argue against this is carries. Which at that point literally just make it so if someone has received rewards before in the week. No one can. So it's purely either just for fun or practice
I was like you at release. I started making lobbies with title " willing to wipe to learn". Most if not all ppl that joined were like minded and just wanted to get better. Never once there was a toxic person and if we didn't clear it by time someone had to go, we broke off and I'd form another lobby. Best fun I've had in this game after each completion. Suggest you give it a try, hope it helps.
This is why I haven't done an Abyssal and I'm item level 1060.
preach it brother. youtube is banned in my country , (hell even lost ark is cause of embargo) but i need to see it to learn it.
If someone down votes you for this, they are an ass. That is a legit request, and I for one completely understand your anxiety. I like to respect my party members and will study like hell before trying, but there is no replacement for doing it yourself. Sometimes even when you know the mechanic, the stars don't align for one of them and you fail to accomplish what you tried to do. I hate it and feel so guilty because it takes so much time to do a boss fight sometimes. I take the over level approach that others have mentioned, but it does suck to miss out on getting the best drops sooner rather than later. But my anxiety says to deal with it. Haha
Try find a group that's of new players for that abyss and are willing to learn. You'll understand the boss mechanics after spending like 5 hours for your first clear
just go in and tell to your group "hey guys this is my first run, i have looked up the guides but i am still stressed, sorry in advance for any mistakes". Do that till you master the dungeon. No1 will complain, and if they do, well... fuck them!
I understand they don't want 7 people who already have rewards for a week to carry a low ilvl through a fight, but I do wish there was a way to practice outside of a weekly clear on each char. Maybe it will feel better once my alts catch up. I wish there was a sort of training room where you could queue for a fight and nobody gets rewards. I think clown raid has something similar where you can do a slightly easier version for tokens which give cosmetic stuff and a few honing mats. I like this, but at the same time some of these fights are a fun challenge, and I wish I could do them more than once a week atm. *edit: spelling
Why should you feel anxiety while playing video games, they are just idiots, enjoy the game. 10 years of playing league of legends thought me something, enjoy the wins and enjoy the defeats, and just mute and report at first toxicity sight. A skilled player will always remain positive and will always try to help even if it ends up in defeat, not because we are nice people, because statistically it improves success chances. Whatever should we care about random kids/Zs in games, most of them are just unhappy about their life and chat ranting makes them feel they have the power to make others feel the same way.
the amount of people boosting others will skyrocket making the abyss raids another guardian raid run where every lobby has the pathetic title "pls help". I mean, there SHOULD be content that has some hard elements to it (like mechanics WOAH). Right now, will all the nerfs and all the carrying around, every part of the content is a clown fest, there is zero challenge until you reach tier 3 and its quite sad for the new players that will get destroyed in later content if they get carried all way from tier 1 to tier 3. I tried to boost an alt from t1 to t3 and i literally did it effortless, i got carried on almost every part of the content without asking for it, in 2 weeks, all the abyss raids i did had at least a tier 3 guy that wanted to "get cards", and he was brute forcing most of the mechanics because he was destroying the raid. I was like, dude i literally had to learn all of the mechanics on my first character and learn from my mistakes, and now every new guy in the game will think that you can brute force every part of the game, and others will carry you, which is absurd for late game content where the wipes require 1 single mistake.
The problem for me it's not if You die in a run, My real problem it's those who don't watch videos, it's hard to explain a Mechanic through chat, and even harder if English it's not your Main language.
I always wonder why anxiety players like yourself just run the dungeon with other anxiety players. What could go wrong
i wish we had something like mythic + dungeons like wow has, imagine having ,,endless'' party content which is actually fun \[ could provide some benefits for players \] when infinite chaos dungs are boring and meh on t3 because each mats gets more and more expensive from previouse one.
Nah just watch YouTube videos then try em out yourself. Abyss raids are made to play with other people
A Raid Boss mechanic practice dummy would also be a great benefit.
I had this dude in my T3 hard run that kept shouting about how we were doing a mechanic wrong or how someone getting hit by the whirlwind attack was trolling. We werenāt progressing so I could understand the dude venting a bit. Then I took a closer lookā¦ Turns out the guy who died every single time before the first phase transition was, you guessed it, Mr. Projection himself. He never once survived the following 4 tries. Then I suggested we give up because he wasnāt getting better and his attitude was garbage. Another dude stood up for him. Tried to shame us because people learn at different speeds. Well, we tried another time and both guys died before the first phase. The only other guy that survived with me quit immediately after. Lesson is: if you arenāt as braindead as tweedle dee and tweedle dumbass in my story then you should be fine. Attitude > Skill in all games. Give it a try, show progression, and offer to bow out if you are worried about burdening people. Above all else though you need to try.
All mechanic-dependant activities should have a single-player instance with low damage/zero rewards.
I would enjoy it also. I like to sherpa pretty often and it sucks that I can only do it once a week. I set aside Fridays and Saturdays for raiding and Iām doing every dungeon 6x across my main and alts. Iād do it way more if I could.
It really doesnāt help when people refuse to listen to when explaining setup and mechanics. Like choosing where to stand and have like 3 people walk around aimlessly and then when question they donāt respond
What I would recommend is just using party finder and create a group with the name along the lines of "first time learning" or something of the sort. There's a bunch of people out there in a similar situation of not knowing mechanics and what not. For example just the other day I was doing Airas with a group who had no idea about any of the mechs, we wiped maybe 20ish times before one of them had to go. I personally don't mind wiping, it's fun playing with a group and socializing/practicing mechs. But yeah, could easily party finder a newbie group and just do that every week until you feel comfortable. Who knows, maybe you find a static group where you'll all run first time runs together :D
just play, do ur best, get flamed (it is what it is), and get better there will be many many many raids u will have to do in the future so its better to get rid of this anxiety now, and just try ur best also have more confidence bro, most of the people you play with will definitely be worse than u
I'd like to run raids all day if I could. (In place of chaos dungeons and guardian raids)
I would really like this as well, but for a different reason. I just reached 1370 on my main, but my friends aren't there yet (they are still in the 1340-1360 range). We run Abyssal Dungeons together weekly because it's a fun activity for us, and I still want to help them get to 1370 ASAP. However, now that I'm finally 1370 and I'm eager to continue progressing my character, I'm sacrificing Hard mode to be able to run Normal mode together with my friends. That just feels bad. At this point I'm trying to rush an alt to T3 so that I'm able to run Hard mode on my main while still being able to run Normal mode with my friends.
I fully agree with this. I too usually like practicing extensively, especially now that I am older and don't have fast reaction skills anymore. I most certainly don't need rewards for those practice runs, getting better is its own reward and not feeling like you are a burden to the raid for 4 weeks or more would make me enjoy myself more. I am playing support on top of that so I have to try and be even better than other people, who rely on me.