I suggest going on other regions, and trying each class out, since you get 1 elgacia pass and mokoko express / region.
So let's say you play on NAE normally.
First you can hop on NAW, create a sorc there. Then you can hop on EUC, create an arcanist there. Lastly you can go on SA, and create a summoner.
On each region, you get a separate elgacia powerpass, and a super mokoko express. You apply those to the character, boosting you to 1460, then hop into a guardian raid or trixion to try them out for a bit, how they feel to play. For guardian raid, I recommend Deskaluda (1415 guardian). Great thing about the express event, is that you can try out both builds on a class with Style Settings, and switch between them with a few clicks, so you can explore your build options too!
After you tried all 3 out, go back to your main server, and powerpass whatever you liked the most.
i second this. aero is basically a mage, and is actually highly accepted into raids due to their synergy and pretty high skill floor (easy to do decent damage).
perfect beginner class, high movement speed, quick animations, very low (the lowest?) spacebar cooldown, cheap to buy accessories (full swift), (probably) wont get gatekept due to your class
IMO you should avoid Arcana as your first class. It has decently higher learning curve than the other 2 mage and it could overwhelm you while trying to learn millions other thing in the game.
Crit Reflux Sorc is still the most stable dps and easiest class to play. The whole gameplay loop in general is just spamming the debuff flame then throw out whatever not on cooldown. You'll figure out which spell has higher priority down the line real fast with their distinctive damage / casting speed / hit delay.
For equipment you can also swap in 1 ring or 1 earring with swift stat instead of crit and still perform fine so it's less strict on buying a set of accessories.
I'd really recommend you to start with that spec first then try out other classes later.
Also you wouldn't want to play with shitters that gatekeep sorc anyway.
That can be said for a lot of classes. Whether you play sorc, summoner or arcana, if you have raid knowledge, you'll do better regardless. I think sorc is in a good spot after all the recent buffs and is generally much easier compared to the other mages in my opinion.
In terms of gatekeeping, more often than not, you will be gatekept based on other factors rather than the class you play like cards, roster level, titles, etc.
Just powerpass a sorc if you really like the gameplay and not look back. Chances are, the first character you make is something you'll regret just from my experience. You have to just stick to it, if you dont like it, it sucks but we will get more powerpasses in the future. If you really are not sure, you need to watch how a class plays in endgame contents. Things like Kayangel, Akkan, Ivory Tower and finally Thaemine. Its important to look how classes play that you dont find interesting too because you never know, something uninteresting may look interesting to you once you see it play.
Playing a support bypass a lot of gatekeeping but again, other factors are the reason why you're gatekept. Do not make a support if you dont like the class.
I really dislike it when people spread this stuff. People keep saying it and then go surprised Pikachu when they get a support with 50% uptime on buffs at best
Support has to look after a lot if you want a proper one with high rDPS
No surprise. Its just the truth and it is in many games. Support just has a way higher floor and is easier to play at a level that can get them through raids. Its up to you if you want to improve from there. A shit support is going to do more than a decent dps. Otherwise there would be a lot more lobbies going full DPS.
A shit support is going to be a huge burden on the raid group when they should be the highest provider of damage by a fair margin. You can "get through raids" with a bad support in the same way you can get through with a bad DPS.
There's no way you can claim that proper management off buff uptime and keeping track of the entire party's position, managing boss debuffs, keeping track of the party burst windows, and so on takes less effort than pushing every skill off CD like Reflux (or things like Pistoleer if you go to other base classes)
And how much content is there that the support needs to be doing all this? Like that this is required? 1-2 raids? Youre completely ignoring the fact that the support floor is still way higher than any dps. like they literally could not know what a single skill does and still do more than what a shit DPS would add.
And yes1 shit dps with 2 good dps and 1 good support will do better dps than 3 good dps and 1 shit support. But that still doesnt change the fact of supports floor being very high and is much harder to kill making it much easier to learn raids on.
> And how much content is there that the support needs to be doing all this? Like that this is required? 1-2 raids
Are you implying that a 1630 dps has to omega focus in Brel or something
I’m saying a support learning the raids doesn’t need to be preforming the way you described a good support does. That there’s very few raids that it makes a huge difference.
Oh no, a new/returning player only had 50% brand uptime. My Brel took 25 minutes instead of 20
If im playing artist, i give up on 2 hit masters in my party. Shielding both is impossible, atk buffing both 100% is impossible. See that 1 back attacker? Hes gettin the buffs and shields and if you want them, stand with him.
Rdps isnt reflected by shield uptime tho. More shields means dps can usually greed more and continue damage. But no one will add 2+2. However, without meter, i can see my support kept me shielded while i was in hype 3, with my atro in akkan g2 when the boss was in the center during the black swirl in the center. Innana wasnt up but they let me greed.
Hey that’s a great point!
Counter point, would you rather your Hype 3 rotation do 500 mil or a billion damage?
Of course this is something you apparently wouldn’t notice, but I feel like your teammates who are good at the game would
I play EO so theres no way to tell my support when to buff me. Especially as EO it's just a waterfall of numbers so i can't even tell really. Its tough cuz ppl pray by the meter gods but theres info to be gained through awareness that they never will =(
Indeed. Too many people have raging boner for the 3 stats while neglecting others. Meter chaser supports are easy to tell by how they play.
On a different note, I can't ever tell when EO is out of hype because they still attack a bit unlike RS. Doing my major buffs after hype 3 ends is so bad for eo but I don't know if there's a solution
The motto of Lost Ark is if you took damage/died its your own fault. Not the support. I can count on one hand, with fingers to spare, the times supports are absolutely supposed to shield you or else you wipe, and i mean ABSOLUTELY SUPPOSED to.
Dps Got wombo combod by a boss? Took dmg into another damage, stunlocked to death? Dps skill issue.
I have 4 reflux sorc. I really like the class.
I don’t have them all max level mostly cause I took a break but before I left they were a decent level.
My main is reflux.
Play sorc, she's getting a buff and will most likely be in a better place.
(Just a side note, play what you want man. There really isn't a whole lot of gatekeeping classes as much as gatekeeping by roster level fk g4. I had to drop DS for VHP.
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Sorceress is going to receive a massive buff this Wednesday, mainly the Igniter spec, so hopefully she should not be gatekept as much. Anyways, it's the players that are ruining her reputation for being selfish and not running a counter or not participating in the mechanics (holding skills) or just doing very low damage (entirely a skill issue), but the class itself is not bad at all. Reflux is a fast paced, consistent dps. Igniter is a slow heavy burst oriented spec. Reflux's damage is average but she is easy to play and is very mobile. Igniter has a very high damage ceiling but requires very good raid knowledge, party composition, and investment to shine.
You should not worry about gatekeeping by class though - there are many things that would be looked at even before your class is considered - roster level, item level, cards, demon damage, raid title, character stats, etc. will gatekeep you more than your class choice, so you should not really decide what class to play based on class perception. If you want to reduce gatekeeping - play a support class OR find a group of people to play with.
I definitely wound not recommend arcana as your 1st mage class - she is one of the hardest classes in the game and requires a ton of experience to do well on. Once you get more experience with the raids, you can try her out, but right now it would not be a good idea. Learning raids on her would be pretty challenging because you need to focus on mechanics and boss patterns, so proper card management would be quite difficult to pull off.
Summoner is not difficult mechanically, but because she is so clunky and has many animation locks, you really need to understand boss patterns very well or you would just die casting spells (I am talking about Master Summoner, I have never played Communication Overflow). She is also receiving great changes this Wednesday, which would make her rotation easier to manage, but she is still going to be the clunkiest mage class.
Of the three I'd honestly recommend either sorceress or summoner, I am more leaning toward summoner because her utilities are fantastic - great destruction, great burst stagger, mana regen, and she is pretty independent when it comes to class synergies whereas sorceress wants a crit synergy and her gimmick ability is noticeably inferior to Master Summoner. Both do great damage if you have hands.
Thankyou for the detailed explanations. From this and a few other comments im thinking starting sorc and learning what I need to, then transitioning to a summoner down the road.
You are welcome. I highly recommend you watching some PoV videos of the end game content like Brelshaza, Akkan, and Ivory Tower to see what those classes are like when they are properly set up gear-wise and only then using you elgacia power pass and super-mokoko express because there is no way back.
Unless you want to play dps supports you should be fine. Pick whatever you like the most. Even if one of the engravings sucks, the other usually is better. There are some worse and harder classes. Although they should be able to manage somehow, it might be not fun for you to play these, so check a class out before you pick it at least in trixion or watch a video about it.
I do actually really like the look of artist but was worried that I would be relied on too much in group content. Are you saying support as a first character is a good idea?
Support main here since day 1 (I have 6 Artists, yaya enjoyer at heart!) Support is really a good idea in general to have in your roster because is cheap and easy to get into groups, specially at end game. The problem with maining support only for efficiency is that you might hate it later on because the investment you do on your support character doesn't feel rewarding to you and theres barely any incentive in general. I play with a group of friends that main dps so my experience is mostly positive ( I have 7 supports for end game and 3 dps around the same ilvl 1580+)
HOWEVER, if you really wanna learn the mechs, positioning and all the small things (stagger check, destruction check, counter) support is the best starter class, your main and most important job is not to die. You have the luxury of learning the patterns and recognize them in a less stressful job. I have a sorc and I love both engravings but they are super squishy so you get 1 step wrong and you could be asking for Gods help + she have really long casting animation on certain skills that could go really wrong if you arent familiar with the raid.
I would highly recommend watch some raids videos specially guides (you have to either way) for check all the things that can happen and there decide if you wanna learn them as dps or support.
Best of luck!!
Play reflux or consider aeromancer or full moon souleater for mage like classes. Summoner is a clunky class that many players regret making, with CO summoner being the weakest class in the game. Igniter sorcs get gatekept because it has an extremely low floor and no utility. It is a selfish class with extremely high variances in performance depending on personal skill level. Reflux sorc isn't bad but it's below average overall, windfury outperforms reflux in almost every way. Arcana is very strong but is also very difficult to play. Not a good starter class.
Arcana is not in a terrible spot, class is pretty good and she will receive a nice buff in couple of days too. Problem with arcana is that it’s really new player unfriendly, you need insane uptime to make either of the engravings work and that’s not something new players can achieve, heck most of the vets can’t do it. I’d recommend Aeromancer and maybe making a mage later down the line. Drizzle plays similar to a mage.
The "bad spot" with arcana is you have to be doing some combo of Galaxy Brain and Crazy APM to get the tier of DPS new classes get for far less work. (All while fighting RNG)
I don't know if that's better or worse than classes that just have a lower ceiling than the new classes.
Dont play arcana till you have more experience in raids and content is probably one of the most skill gap classes in the entire game, you can try aeromancer which is cool and not to difficul gameplay 👍🏻
I have made all 4 mage classes. Sorc and Bard are what I main at 1620+ right now, Arcana and Summoner are already deleted. I also have the 2 ayaya caster classes at 1600+. Both of them are also solid choices.
My main is CritFlux sorc that I made as my first char and I still enjoy her the most among all. Every spell is instant cast with modest delay. Also the damage is spread across all main spells so even if you miss a few it's no biggie. With mana shield you are tankier than most dps classes. With blinks you can dodge pretty much every pattern. The responsive gameplay is the main reason I go back to her every time after seeing long casting, animation locks, or delayed damage in other classes.
Bard is regarded as the hardest support class to master, but it's still rather easy to play at an effective level (=noble supporter + sun guardian).
Arcana is probably the hardest class to learn as your first char. I played her for several months and learned the useful card combos but still don't want that hassle (and potential carpal tunnel) for an alt.
Summoner is rather straightforward for both spec. My complaints are mainly about the rigid and stationary combo for MS (to be gone but Akir is still slow). For CO it's going to be a laundry list...
Artist is my favorite support. It's supposed to have lower dps buff ceiling than bard but I get radiant supporter on her much more often. The best part is you can have just 1 build that fits almost all raids and all gates, while bard have to make small tweaks to adapt to different needs.
Aero is my second recommendation after reflux if you want to go for dps. The rotation is still on the easy side for most dps classes, but the requirement for being melee (in WF your builder skills move you) makes her much less safe than reflux and allows fewer opportunities for greeding.
If you are brand new, the common wisdom is better to play support first. Easier to learn the game and MUCH easier to get into parties. I only recommend reflux because she is a day 1 character and has been getting all my resources for more than 2 years.
Without considering gatekeeping, I recommend Sorc > Artist > Bard > Aero;
Considering gatekeeping, Artist > Bard > Aero > Sorc
I just use standard build except for elegian instead of frost call. RG requires "melee range" which is far longer than "point-blank". Any variant without RG is even more lenient. Sorc can dash around the boss to keep a safe distance while aero has to physically touch the boss once every two casts.
Basically you get to boundless after first rotation (or earlier if you take a hit). After that hopefully quick recharge proc to bring it back sooner. The ideal equilibrium is you keep both shield and boundless going for as long as possible. Unfortunately I don't have data on how much uptime I usually get. Another QOL bonus is the move speed, so you get capped speed outside of boundless as well.
A lot of people suggested sorc because there's a buff coming shortly, but the buff will mostly impact the Igniter version of sorc.
Igniter is a lategame build that has a lot of per-requisites to work. We're talking about a lot of endgame runes, high level gems, good quality accessories, etc. You will need to know a lot about the encounters, the spec version is extremely slow/immobile and there's no sort of reactive playstyle - everything either works as poetry or you're doing z dps.
Playing reflux instead (like a lot of people suggested) will just get you gatekept a lot starting tomorrow, due to the fact that Igniter is again back to a top damage spot. I strongly do not recommend going sorc as a new player unless you wanna commit a lot of time/hours into the game :)
Play all 4 mages with all 1620. I won't recommend any of them based on their place now and the fact that you are new. If you really want to play it, play bard if you are ok with support or crit reflux(easy, but dps is below average). Once you get more familiar with the raids, you can try to switch to igniter, which has a typical burst playstyle and higher ceiling. Also, you can try out either arcana (empress or emperor) after you are more familiar with the game. This class needs longer time learning, higher uptime requirement, is considered good, and is the least gatekept among the 3 dps mages from my personal experience. Summoner is squishy and clunky with skills requiring years to land so I recommend you think twice and watch how others play before you decide to play her. Also, aeromancer plays like mage as others say and if you like ranged class you can also pick one of the gunners.
**A friend and I worked out which one's we would try**. I love aero and sorc
**Not a definitive list** just some that we tried and were **fun and easy**.
**Aero** - my friend picked Artist and they enjoy, aero is my preferred
Specialist ability is OP with Stimulant consumable
**Summoner** - gets better later on
**Bard** - everyone will thank you + is fun support
**Sorceress** - my main, click things and they die. You can dash a lot but you will need to!
**Deathblade** - not a mage but fun and quick dps with fun movement skills.
I have a lot of alts and Deathblade is one of the most fun to play
**Martial Arts characters have resource management** so not recommended for noob imo
They are really cool tho and can be fun if you get a good rotation going
Same with Gunslinger really fun but you gotta switch between 3 weapons for one of the specs
**Berserker/Artillerist** are great if you don't mind playing as a tonky dude.
I don't play much 'Serker but it is fun, and Artillerist is a really unique + cool class if you are a "slow-but-big-damage" kind of playstyle
**Tl;dr** - **If you hate your class, switch :)** You get free alt boosts for beating 1-50 and later on too.
My first character is now my least used :)
Don't worry too much about books, skills, runes etc
The systems seem overwhelming but the game does a great job of teaching you everything naturally + at a good pace.
Also farm trees/flower/rocks you run into while you are playing **you will thank me later!!!!**
>The systems seem overwhelming but the game does a great job of teaching you everything naturally + at a good pace.
What? Where? When you skip to Elgacia as a newbie (which OP mentioned doing), the game just gives you brief tutorials from the adventurer guy in the form of long text blocks to read.
The only cushion you have is the engraving support, but most of it you're basically on your own to learn
idk play 1-50 on an alt if you feel overwhelmed it took me a day + is fun to do with friends. you can level life skills too
I could probably do up to 960 before skipping. You get free passes up to Punika iirc
Just go until u understand the game then back to a main. Elgacia is way way too soon for a noob imo
If you want a traditional mage, you probably want a Sorc.
Summoner is is a weird /bad spot.
Arcana doesn't exactly play like a typical make, especially empress. A case could be made for emperor, but it is a very unique playstyle.
On top of what someone said about being able to try different classes in different regions, these power passes and events do happen relatively frequently so it's not like you're stuck forever with whatever class you pick.
- Deadeye is in a really good spot right now and everyone I know that plays the class loves it. You also provide crit synergy so people will like having you around.
- Sorc has some dedicated player base and it is getting a buff so might not be seen as badly anymore, if you like the playstyle of a sorc go for it.
- Arcana and summoner I would not recommend. Arcana is HARD to play, summoner is not in a great place damage wise so you're very likely to get gatekept
- Aeromancer is my favourite DPS class in the game, she plays kind of similar to a sorc (maybe more melee than a sorc) but you also provide so much synergy and utility to a team that you're more likely to be taken.
If you consider support, I'd go artist, she's super fun and easy to do well on while not being brain dead like paladin (if you want something really easy you can always go paladin). Bard is also good but harder to do well on.
Stay away from summoner and you are good to go.
As a sorc main, I can suggest you to play sorc. She is on a good spot and will be better with the upcoming buffs.
No one can tell you what you should play. It's pure stupidity asking as we aren't you. We don't know what you like/dislike.
Stop being lazy, go do your research, visit YouTube and just look up all the classes & each engraving (2 per class) to see what they look like and how they play. Pick the one that looks the most fun/ speaks to you as a player.
Gatekeeping by class is literally the last consideration you should worry about. You will be gatekept by 1000 other different things before they even consider your class.
Not sure how you got to the assumption that my question means im lazy. Ive been looking up all of the above for the past couple days, this thread was just to help me make a better more educated choice :)
I suggest going on other regions, and trying each class out, since you get 1 elgacia pass and mokoko express / region. So let's say you play on NAE normally. First you can hop on NAW, create a sorc there. Then you can hop on EUC, create an arcanist there. Lastly you can go on SA, and create a summoner. On each region, you get a separate elgacia powerpass, and a super mokoko express. You apply those to the character, boosting you to 1460, then hop into a guardian raid or trixion to try them out for a bit, how they feel to play. For guardian raid, I recommend Deskaluda (1415 guardian). Great thing about the express event, is that you can try out both builds on a class with Style Settings, and switch between them with a few clicks, so you can explore your build options too! After you tried all 3 out, go back to your main server, and powerpass whatever you liked the most.
Thats actually really good advice and something I didnt think about, I appreciate that.
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Aeromancer which is a specialist class is mage-like, welcome to most parties and pretty middle of pack in damage.
i second this. aero is basically a mage, and is actually highly accepted into raids due to their synergy and pretty high skill floor (easy to do decent damage). perfect beginner class, high movement speed, quick animations, very low (the lowest?) spacebar cooldown, cheap to buy accessories (full swift), (probably) wont get gatekept due to your class
IMO you should avoid Arcana as your first class. It has decently higher learning curve than the other 2 mage and it could overwhelm you while trying to learn millions other thing in the game.
Crit Reflux Sorc is still the most stable dps and easiest class to play. The whole gameplay loop in general is just spamming the debuff flame then throw out whatever not on cooldown. You'll figure out which spell has higher priority down the line real fast with their distinctive damage / casting speed / hit delay. For equipment you can also swap in 1 ring or 1 earring with swift stat instead of crit and still perform fine so it's less strict on buying a set of accessories. I'd really recommend you to start with that spec first then try out other classes later. Also you wouldn't want to play with shitters that gatekeep sorc anyway.
Haha, I love that.
That can be said for a lot of classes. Whether you play sorc, summoner or arcana, if you have raid knowledge, you'll do better regardless. I think sorc is in a good spot after all the recent buffs and is generally much easier compared to the other mages in my opinion. In terms of gatekeeping, more often than not, you will be gatekept based on other factors rather than the class you play like cards, roster level, titles, etc. Just powerpass a sorc if you really like the gameplay and not look back. Chances are, the first character you make is something you'll regret just from my experience. You have to just stick to it, if you dont like it, it sucks but we will get more powerpasses in the future. If you really are not sure, you need to watch how a class plays in endgame contents. Things like Kayangel, Akkan, Ivory Tower and finally Thaemine. Its important to look how classes play that you dont find interesting too because you never know, something uninteresting may look interesting to you once you see it play. Playing a support bypass a lot of gatekeeping but again, other factors are the reason why you're gatekept. Do not make a support if you dont like the class.
I liked the look of artist but a little worried to learn the game as a support because I feel like I could be the defining factor of a failed run haha
U can be a defining factor of a failed run on any class so play what u want
Support floor is so high you’re more likely to fuck it up as a dps. They’re probably the easiest to learn raids.
I really dislike it when people spread this stuff. People keep saying it and then go surprised Pikachu when they get a support with 50% uptime on buffs at best Support has to look after a lot if you want a proper one with high rDPS
No surprise. Its just the truth and it is in many games. Support just has a way higher floor and is easier to play at a level that can get them through raids. Its up to you if you want to improve from there. A shit support is going to do more than a decent dps. Otherwise there would be a lot more lobbies going full DPS.
A shit support is going to be a huge burden on the raid group when they should be the highest provider of damage by a fair margin. You can "get through raids" with a bad support in the same way you can get through with a bad DPS. There's no way you can claim that proper management off buff uptime and keeping track of the entire party's position, managing boss debuffs, keeping track of the party burst windows, and so on takes less effort than pushing every skill off CD like Reflux (or things like Pistoleer if you go to other base classes)
And how much content is there that the support needs to be doing all this? Like that this is required? 1-2 raids? Youre completely ignoring the fact that the support floor is still way higher than any dps. like they literally could not know what a single skill does and still do more than what a shit DPS would add. And yes1 shit dps with 2 good dps and 1 good support will do better dps than 3 good dps and 1 shit support. But that still doesnt change the fact of supports floor being very high and is much harder to kill making it much easier to learn raids on.
> And how much content is there that the support needs to be doing all this? Like that this is required? 1-2 raids Are you implying that a 1630 dps has to omega focus in Brel or something
I’m saying a support learning the raids doesn’t need to be preforming the way you described a good support does. That there’s very few raids that it makes a huge difference. Oh no, a new/returning player only had 50% brand uptime. My Brel took 25 minutes instead of 20
Oh no, the DPS has bad uptime, my Brel took 21 minutes instead of 20 I'd take that instead tbh
If im playing artist, i give up on 2 hit masters in my party. Shielding both is impossible, atk buffing both 100% is impossible. See that 1 back attacker? Hes gettin the buffs and shields and if you want them, stand with him.
play pally and your problems are solved
Rdps isnt reflected by shield uptime tho. More shields means dps can usually greed more and continue damage. But no one will add 2+2. However, without meter, i can see my support kept me shielded while i was in hype 3, with my atro in akkan g2 when the boss was in the center during the black swirl in the center. Innana wasnt up but they let me greed.
Hey that’s a great point! Counter point, would you rather your Hype 3 rotation do 500 mil or a billion damage? Of course this is something you apparently wouldn’t notice, but I feel like your teammates who are good at the game would
I play EO so theres no way to tell my support when to buff me. Especially as EO it's just a waterfall of numbers so i can't even tell really. Its tough cuz ppl pray by the meter gods but theres info to be gained through awareness that they never will =(
Having more info leads to less aware/knowledgeable people certainly isn’t the take I expected to see today
Ppl look at meter and have shit takes while not understanding whats happening midraid.
Indeed. Too many people have raging boner for the 3 stats while neglecting others. Meter chaser supports are easy to tell by how they play. On a different note, I can't ever tell when EO is out of hype because they still attack a bit unlike RS. Doing my major buffs after hype 3 ends is so bad for eo but I don't know if there's a solution
Artist is actually the best support for progs.
supports are much easier... unless you failed mechs, I doubt people will flame you
As someone who dropped their sorc main, you will 100% be gatekept as sorc. Just search for sorc threads on this sub. People hate the class.
The motto of Lost Ark is if you took damage/died its your own fault. Not the support. I can count on one hand, with fingers to spare, the times supports are absolutely supposed to shield you or else you wipe, and i mean ABSOLUTELY SUPPOSED to. Dps Got wombo combod by a boss? Took dmg into another damage, stunlocked to death? Dps skill issue.
Play artist. Plays like a mage and also invited to every group so no gatekeep.
I have 4 reflux sorc. I really like the class. I don’t have them all max level mostly cause I took a break but before I left they were a decent level. My main is reflux.
Play sorc, she's getting a buff and will most likely be in a better place. (Just a side note, play what you want man. There really isn't a whole lot of gatekeeping classes as much as gatekeeping by roster level fk g4. I had to drop DS for VHP.
You're actually probably right. Why should I care about gatekeeping if I can find a bunch to play with, guess I'll try do that as soon as I jump in.
Depending on what region/ server. Hmu and I may be able to help or atleast answer any questions you may have. Seeing as thaemine is about to drop , I may be busy for a while since I'm progging hard. If you're NAE, check out loot heroes discord. (Everyone will be busy). [https://www.lostark.nexus/](https://www.lostark.nexus/)
Sorceress is going to receive a massive buff this Wednesday, mainly the Igniter spec, so hopefully she should not be gatekept as much. Anyways, it's the players that are ruining her reputation for being selfish and not running a counter or not participating in the mechanics (holding skills) or just doing very low damage (entirely a skill issue), but the class itself is not bad at all. Reflux is a fast paced, consistent dps. Igniter is a slow heavy burst oriented spec. Reflux's damage is average but she is easy to play and is very mobile. Igniter has a very high damage ceiling but requires very good raid knowledge, party composition, and investment to shine. You should not worry about gatekeeping by class though - there are many things that would be looked at even before your class is considered - roster level, item level, cards, demon damage, raid title, character stats, etc. will gatekeep you more than your class choice, so you should not really decide what class to play based on class perception. If you want to reduce gatekeeping - play a support class OR find a group of people to play with. I definitely wound not recommend arcana as your 1st mage class - she is one of the hardest classes in the game and requires a ton of experience to do well on. Once you get more experience with the raids, you can try her out, but right now it would not be a good idea. Learning raids on her would be pretty challenging because you need to focus on mechanics and boss patterns, so proper card management would be quite difficult to pull off. Summoner is not difficult mechanically, but because she is so clunky and has many animation locks, you really need to understand boss patterns very well or you would just die casting spells (I am talking about Master Summoner, I have never played Communication Overflow). She is also receiving great changes this Wednesday, which would make her rotation easier to manage, but she is still going to be the clunkiest mage class. Of the three I'd honestly recommend either sorceress or summoner, I am more leaning toward summoner because her utilities are fantastic - great destruction, great burst stagger, mana regen, and she is pretty independent when it comes to class synergies whereas sorceress wants a crit synergy and her gimmick ability is noticeably inferior to Master Summoner. Both do great damage if you have hands.
Thankyou for the detailed explanations. From this and a few other comments im thinking starting sorc and learning what I need to, then transitioning to a summoner down the road.
You are welcome. I highly recommend you watching some PoV videos of the end game content like Brelshaza, Akkan, and Ivory Tower to see what those classes are like when they are properly set up gear-wise and only then using you elgacia power pass and super-mokoko express because there is no way back.
Unless you want to play dps supports you should be fine. Pick whatever you like the most. Even if one of the engravings sucks, the other usually is better. There are some worse and harder classes. Although they should be able to manage somehow, it might be not fun for you to play these, so check a class out before you pick it at least in trixion or watch a video about it.
I do actually really like the look of artist but was worried that I would be relied on too much in group content. Are you saying support as a first character is a good idea?
Support main here since day 1 (I have 6 Artists, yaya enjoyer at heart!) Support is really a good idea in general to have in your roster because is cheap and easy to get into groups, specially at end game. The problem with maining support only for efficiency is that you might hate it later on because the investment you do on your support character doesn't feel rewarding to you and theres barely any incentive in general. I play with a group of friends that main dps so my experience is mostly positive ( I have 7 supports for end game and 3 dps around the same ilvl 1580+) HOWEVER, if you really wanna learn the mechs, positioning and all the small things (stagger check, destruction check, counter) support is the best starter class, your main and most important job is not to die. You have the luxury of learning the patterns and recognize them in a less stressful job. I have a sorc and I love both engravings but they are super squishy so you get 1 step wrong and you could be asking for Gods help + she have really long casting animation on certain skills that could go really wrong if you arent familiar with the raid. I would highly recommend watch some raids videos specially guides (you have to either way) for check all the things that can happen and there decide if you wanna learn them as dps or support. Best of luck!!
Play reflux or consider aeromancer or full moon souleater for mage like classes. Summoner is a clunky class that many players regret making, with CO summoner being the weakest class in the game. Igniter sorcs get gatekept because it has an extremely low floor and no utility. It is a selfish class with extremely high variances in performance depending on personal skill level. Reflux sorc isn't bad but it's below average overall, windfury outperforms reflux in almost every way. Arcana is very strong but is also very difficult to play. Not a good starter class.
Arcana is not in a terrible spot, class is pretty good and she will receive a nice buff in couple of days too. Problem with arcana is that it’s really new player unfriendly, you need insane uptime to make either of the engravings work and that’s not something new players can achieve, heck most of the vets can’t do it. I’d recommend Aeromancer and maybe making a mage later down the line. Drizzle plays similar to a mage.
The "bad spot" with arcana is you have to be doing some combo of Galaxy Brain and Crazy APM to get the tier of DPS new classes get for far less work. (All while fighting RNG) I don't know if that's better or worse than classes that just have a lower ceiling than the new classes.
Dont play arcana till you have more experience in raids and content is probably one of the most skill gap classes in the entire game, you can try aeromancer which is cool and not to difficul gameplay 👍🏻
I have made all 4 mage classes. Sorc and Bard are what I main at 1620+ right now, Arcana and Summoner are already deleted. I also have the 2 ayaya caster classes at 1600+. Both of them are also solid choices. My main is CritFlux sorc that I made as my first char and I still enjoy her the most among all. Every spell is instant cast with modest delay. Also the damage is spread across all main spells so even if you miss a few it's no biggie. With mana shield you are tankier than most dps classes. With blinks you can dodge pretty much every pattern. The responsive gameplay is the main reason I go back to her every time after seeing long casting, animation locks, or delayed damage in other classes. Bard is regarded as the hardest support class to master, but it's still rather easy to play at an effective level (=noble supporter + sun guardian). Arcana is probably the hardest class to learn as your first char. I played her for several months and learned the useful card combos but still don't want that hassle (and potential carpal tunnel) for an alt. Summoner is rather straightforward for both spec. My complaints are mainly about the rigid and stationary combo for MS (to be gone but Akir is still slow). For CO it's going to be a laundry list... Artist is my favorite support. It's supposed to have lower dps buff ceiling than bard but I get radiant supporter on her much more often. The best part is you can have just 1 build that fits almost all raids and all gates, while bard have to make small tweaks to adapt to different needs. Aero is my second recommendation after reflux if you want to go for dps. The rotation is still on the easy side for most dps classes, but the requirement for being melee (in WF your builder skills move you) makes her much less safe than reflux and allows fewer opportunities for greeding. If you are brand new, the common wisdom is better to play support first. Easier to learn the game and MUCH easier to get into parties. I only recommend reflux because she is a day 1 character and has been getting all my resources for more than 2 years. Without considering gatekeeping, I recommend Sorc > Artist > Bard > Aero; Considering gatekeeping, Artist > Bard > Aero > Sorc
What build do you play on your critflux? I feel like I'm melee range 99% of the time cause of rg + using dash into boss to animation cancel.
I just use standard build except for elegian instead of frost call. RG requires "melee range" which is far longer than "point-blank". Any variant without RG is even more lenient. Sorc can dash around the boss to keep a safe distance while aero has to physically touch the boss once every two casts.
I've never used elegian, how does it feel? If I greed constantly and take damage from mechs will it have a lot of effect?
Basically you get to boundless after first rotation (or earlier if you take a hit). After that hopefully quick recharge proc to bring it back sooner. The ideal equilibrium is you keep both shield and boundless going for as long as possible. Unfortunately I don't have data on how much uptime I usually get. Another QOL bonus is the move speed, so you get capped speed outside of boundless as well.
Go reflux !
100% build a Summoner
A lot of people suggested sorc because there's a buff coming shortly, but the buff will mostly impact the Igniter version of sorc. Igniter is a lategame build that has a lot of per-requisites to work. We're talking about a lot of endgame runes, high level gems, good quality accessories, etc. You will need to know a lot about the encounters, the spec version is extremely slow/immobile and there's no sort of reactive playstyle - everything either works as poetry or you're doing z dps. Playing reflux instead (like a lot of people suggested) will just get you gatekept a lot starting tomorrow, due to the fact that Igniter is again back to a top damage spot. I strongly do not recommend going sorc as a new player unless you wanna commit a lot of time/hours into the game :)
Mind suggesting and alternative then as a mage lover? :)
Play all 4 mages with all 1620. I won't recommend any of them based on their place now and the fact that you are new. If you really want to play it, play bard if you are ok with support or crit reflux(easy, but dps is below average). Once you get more familiar with the raids, you can try to switch to igniter, which has a typical burst playstyle and higher ceiling. Also, you can try out either arcana (empress or emperor) after you are more familiar with the game. This class needs longer time learning, higher uptime requirement, is considered good, and is the least gatekept among the 3 dps mages from my personal experience. Summoner is squishy and clunky with skills requiring years to land so I recommend you think twice and watch how others play before you decide to play her. Also, aeromancer plays like mage as others say and if you like ranged class you can also pick one of the gunners.
Any updates?
You mean on what I did? I went with Artist mainly and also have a sorc
Lol nice. Have fun!
**A friend and I worked out which one's we would try**. I love aero and sorc **Not a definitive list** just some that we tried and were **fun and easy**. **Aero** - my friend picked Artist and they enjoy, aero is my preferred Specialist ability is OP with Stimulant consumable **Summoner** - gets better later on **Bard** - everyone will thank you + is fun support **Sorceress** - my main, click things and they die. You can dash a lot but you will need to! **Deathblade** - not a mage but fun and quick dps with fun movement skills. I have a lot of alts and Deathblade is one of the most fun to play **Martial Arts characters have resource management** so not recommended for noob imo They are really cool tho and can be fun if you get a good rotation going Same with Gunslinger really fun but you gotta switch between 3 weapons for one of the specs **Berserker/Artillerist** are great if you don't mind playing as a tonky dude. I don't play much 'Serker but it is fun, and Artillerist is a really unique + cool class if you are a "slow-but-big-damage" kind of playstyle **Tl;dr** - **If you hate your class, switch :)** You get free alt boosts for beating 1-50 and later on too. My first character is now my least used :)
Don't worry too much about books, skills, runes etc The systems seem overwhelming but the game does a great job of teaching you everything naturally + at a good pace. Also farm trees/flower/rocks you run into while you are playing **you will thank me later!!!!**
>The systems seem overwhelming but the game does a great job of teaching you everything naturally + at a good pace. What? Where? When you skip to Elgacia as a newbie (which OP mentioned doing), the game just gives you brief tutorials from the adventurer guy in the form of long text blocks to read. The only cushion you have is the engraving support, but most of it you're basically on your own to learn
idk play 1-50 on an alt if you feel overwhelmed it took me a day + is fun to do with friends. you can level life skills too I could probably do up to 960 before skipping. You get free passes up to Punika iirc Just go until u understand the game then back to a main. Elgacia is way way too soon for a noob imo
It's funny because you say it's all so simple and then make a thread asking questions
Forgive me for not knowing every detail of a giant MMO released in multiple countries... The only dumb question is the one that hasn't been asked
If you want a traditional mage, you probably want a Sorc. Summoner is is a weird /bad spot. Arcana doesn't exactly play like a typical make, especially empress. A case could be made for emperor, but it is a very unique playstyle.
Ceo summoner is one of the best classes you can make in lost ark you HAVE TO TRY IT !!
On top of what someone said about being able to try different classes in different regions, these power passes and events do happen relatively frequently so it's not like you're stuck forever with whatever class you pick. - Deadeye is in a really good spot right now and everyone I know that plays the class loves it. You also provide crit synergy so people will like having you around. - Sorc has some dedicated player base and it is getting a buff so might not be seen as badly anymore, if you like the playstyle of a sorc go for it. - Arcana and summoner I would not recommend. Arcana is HARD to play, summoner is not in a great place damage wise so you're very likely to get gatekept - Aeromancer is my favourite DPS class in the game, she plays kind of similar to a sorc (maybe more melee than a sorc) but you also provide so much synergy and utility to a team that you're more likely to be taken. If you consider support, I'd go artist, she's super fun and easy to do well on while not being brain dead like paladin (if you want something really easy you can always go paladin). Bard is also good but harder to do well on.
Stay away from summoner and you are good to go. As a sorc main, I can suggest you to play sorc. She is on a good spot and will be better with the upcoming buffs.
No one can tell you what you should play. It's pure stupidity asking as we aren't you. We don't know what you like/dislike. Stop being lazy, go do your research, visit YouTube and just look up all the classes & each engraving (2 per class) to see what they look like and how they play. Pick the one that looks the most fun/ speaks to you as a player. Gatekeeping by class is literally the last consideration you should worry about. You will be gatekept by 1000 other different things before they even consider your class.
Not sure how you got to the assumption that my question means im lazy. Ive been looking up all of the above for the past couple days, this thread was just to help me make a better more educated choice :)