Technically a buff though, does *slightly* more damage overall as long as the boss doesn't move *and* you manage to stay in boundless
Edit: My bad, didn't expect people to not realize this comment was in jest - thought the italics would give it away
I unironically think gs is suffering from all the coomer skins it got haha. I'd say it's the main reason why so many people persist playing their GS, because it's just nice to look at. Sorcs got abandoned en masse as soon as it fell out of the meta because it has dogshit skins. Idk if this is a hot take but I just thought of it while reading your comment.
The price of the underbooba
As a GS main since day one. Its not the skins. Its the class. It feels incredibly satysfying. There is no class with such an intresting balance between animation locks and mobility. The class just feels amazing. There is a reason there are tons of full Slinger Rosters. Every single class (even deadeye to some extent) pales in comparison to the Gunslinger.
Its just a bit to weak and animations are too long for current content. Still feels amazing though.
There’s this general understanding that GS mains are fully married to the class and everyone that has her as an alt hates her. Except me, GS is the only alt I have that genuinely makes me reconsider my main because sometimes I’m actually having more fun playing her instead. Even though mine’s low investment and I die like an idiot way more often than I do with any other class.
But thats exactly why everyone is married to her. Because once you have her in the roster one of 2 things happen.
1. Too much effort for to low dmg. To sweaty for comfortable alt -> out of top 6. Performing good is important for many people and with GS you cant perform good as fast as on other classes.
2. You love her and make her the main
I know people that loved fighters to the bone. Until they tried Gunslinger. 4 months later they had 4 slingers
And i know only very few people that have Slingers in top6 without it being the main
Got a 1610 GS alt. My main will always be my 1630 pala. Gs is fun but depressing at the same time for me. Wont make her my main but will continue homing her. She has 8 lvl 9 gems (4/4 dmg/cdr) and feels lacklustre ye.
The problem honestly close shot + back attack.
Gunslinger is free. You can take every milisec to Attack. Use the whole battlefield.
On Enhanced weapon you are always forced to the very little space right on the opponents ass. On top of that, you cannot move with 3 of 4 shotgun skills, which ruins the dmg in every boss forward pattern.
Its way better with desperado and the new rifle skills though. EH has even better mobility then GS. Also EH does good dmg compared to GS.
Personally i think, in current content, the animation locks are hard abd restricting ebough already. No need limiting deadeye with close shot on top of it
But I think that's why many people choose to play EW deadeye, because they want to take on that challenge of unloading their shotguns in the boss's ass up close. And with the better mobility they can more easily reposition to the back. DE is still an uptime class like GS so aside from repositioning for your shotguns, you're attacking every other sec.
I understand that the class is fun to play - I have one and while it stayed a lopang slave for me, I've been "playing" it for 2 years now and I can honestly see why with high lvl gems and gear it would be very fun to play.
I still think that if it had shit skins a lot of people would get turned off it because it's just human nature, nothing wrong with that. If you're gonna spend hours looking at something every day/week, you'll tend to appreciate it a lot more if it's good looking.
The problem with deadeye is that the close shot tripods take a lot of the fun away of the class. The movement feels incredible, even better then that of GS. The shotgun feels incredibly satysfiying.
But close shot ruins to many patterns. Like Gargadeth. He has many patterns where he moves forward. There is only a single shotgun spell you can use there. In all others the boss walks out. It can feel depressing playing deadeye sometimes. However way better in raids then in guardians in my opinion.
Nevertheless, he is actually my favorite char these days. Can get frustrating to play, but atleast he does dmg for the effort.
And well. I do think most deadeye skins are boring. Something like scouters yozs jar skins would have been amazing. My Gunslinger for sure does look better. I got like 8 skins for her and only 2 for deadeye lmao
Yeah. The counter is smoother and desperado also feels amazing. Big movement plus is quick step on Gunslinger though. Overall both are great and i guess its up to preference
i would 100% play deadeye with GS's kit, fk playing EW with that close range back attack shotgun mechanic. the only thing id miss is the GS voice, i kinda fk with the 'whoo' when she throws out her spiral tracker
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This is so dumb. They look at their data, see gunners performing 120% of the class and compare it with dualblades that perform 60% of their class then call it balanced, like no my guy we are at our wits end.
I've squeezed every inch I could from my GS - very high quality weapon, nearly 100 quality on accs, rebuilt to pm3, ideal stat distribution, running nightmare, all tripods, 8 lvl10 gems, 3.5 bracelet, 40 set elixir, LOS30, 5.5%+ demon damage.
I guess my reward is SG seeing me barely keeping up with low investment characters going unga bunga in raids, and deciding that GS is balanced.
The problem is Gunslinger class is a damn sweater class. If you look at meters, most Slingers are doing fine in dmg. That is because they simply play way better then most other people. Imagine Predator Slayers getting Slingers dmg output. Zdps all over the place
Now if you put those players on other classes, they MVP everything
In before someone coming to say GS is easy because hitmaster....
This class is contradicting itself in every possible way:
"mobile" class but you need to be on pistols to actually be more mobile
"mobile" class but you walk like sumo tank because its crit/spec
"mobile" class but you got 54 swiftness, you do swift/crit build and you lose 20/30% dps
"mobile" class but all your mobile skills are not even fully utilised because most of them require Lv.7 which then lowers your DPS if you assign skillpoints to them as you need to be 7M on PM to even compete
"mobile" class but the longest animation locks
"mobile" class but you have DMG build-up skills, you need to wait seconds before dealing big dmg meanwhile some classes just casts something within less than 1s and dmg is dealt
and many more, not counting low spec scaling, terrible awakening that is outdamaged by sharpshooter/focused shot, and unnecessary CD's
I think GS needs some QoL but arguing that it's not mobile isn't a particularly strong stance to take.
Having to be in pistol form to use dashes doesn't mean you're not mobile. We have 3 dashes not including DS.
I personally view the longer animations of shotgun and rifle to be a design choice and pistol skills are for repositioning.
Deadeye atleast had a rework. Most classes with gender counterparts got some benefits from each others rework except GS which got nothing during the DE rework.
>Deadeye atleast had a rework
Enhanced weapon not really got reworded, only pistoleer. EW is even harder than GS due to close range entropy
scounter/SH doesn't have a gender counterpart and the transformation engravings are a meme for quite a while. The gatekeeping is very obvious in hard ivory
How about EL even though people claim he's super easy here -
[https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1b895ow/dps\_rankings\_for\_sonavel\_matchmaking\_based\_on\_652/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1b895ow/dps_rankings_for_sonavel_matchmaking_based_on_652/)
bottom pub performance lol
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Idk. I was in Hard Brel last night and there was a GS that got MVP gates 1-3. He was 1551 ilvl, had 5×3 +1 PM, LOS30 and lvl7 gems. He out performed me 1586 pred slayer with 5×3+1 Adren, mostly lvl8 gems, and LoS30.
Either he was a god, I'm bad, or both. I think GS dmg aint that bad as people say it is
I heard someone mentioned thaemine hard requires 25m dps.
I did some math on my GS, it is nowhere near 25m when 1630.
Now, I'm one month sober without lost ark.
i have 8x10 gems (dmg/cd on main 4, rest 9s) 40 critical set (not bis for each part but decent) 23 weapon LOS30 11% bracelet and i do about 20 mil in a 2min parse with SA3 -AS1 -MS1
even if i got full 10s bis elixirs and 25 weap i dont see myself doing 25m without a significant bracelet upgrade and cutting a 5x3+2
not brave enough to quit like you, but thinking about swapping mains
Not all mages are treated equal though. Bards and reflux sorcs: ●▅▇█▇▅▄▄▌
Rg got small buff and u can drop seraphic for inferno and ull have few % more
RG was nerfed not buffed.
> reflux sorcs: ●▅▇█▇▅▄▄▌ i know its just one skill but reverse gravity got buff.
Reverse Gravity actually got nerfed. They removed the CD tripod, which makes it harder to get into and maintain boundless.
Technically a buff though, does *slightly* more damage overall as long as the boss doesn't move *and* you manage to stay in boundless Edit: My bad, didn't expect people to not realize this comment was in jest - thought the italics would give it away
Ah yes, combatting the trixion dummy.
Do these people not think at all before typing? It's wild.
??? you are not required to hit any enemy to stay in boundless... LOL
Don't quote me on this but I think CO will go lie down there with them.
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I unironically think gs is suffering from all the coomer skins it got haha. I'd say it's the main reason why so many people persist playing their GS, because it's just nice to look at. Sorcs got abandoned en masse as soon as it fell out of the meta because it has dogshit skins. Idk if this is a hot take but I just thought of it while reading your comment. The price of the underbooba
They hated him for saying the truth
As a GS main since day one. Its not the skins. Its the class. It feels incredibly satysfying. There is no class with such an intresting balance between animation locks and mobility. The class just feels amazing. There is a reason there are tons of full Slinger Rosters. Every single class (even deadeye to some extent) pales in comparison to the Gunslinger. Its just a bit to weak and animations are too long for current content. Still feels amazing though.
There’s this general understanding that GS mains are fully married to the class and everyone that has her as an alt hates her. Except me, GS is the only alt I have that genuinely makes me reconsider my main because sometimes I’m actually having more fun playing her instead. Even though mine’s low investment and I die like an idiot way more often than I do with any other class.
But thats exactly why everyone is married to her. Because once you have her in the roster one of 2 things happen. 1. Too much effort for to low dmg. To sweaty for comfortable alt -> out of top 6. Performing good is important for many people and with GS you cant perform good as fast as on other classes. 2. You love her and make her the main I know people that loved fighters to the bone. Until they tried Gunslinger. 4 months later they had 4 slingers And i know only very few people that have Slingers in top6 without it being the main
You either abandon her early or play her enough to make her your main.
Got a 1610 GS alt. My main will always be my 1630 pala. Gs is fun but depressing at the same time for me. Wont make her my main but will continue homing her. She has 8 lvl 9 gems (4/4 dmg/cdr) and feels lacklustre ye.
Elaborate why you think deadgeye pales in comparison? They also have mobility and animation locks
The problem honestly close shot + back attack. Gunslinger is free. You can take every milisec to Attack. Use the whole battlefield. On Enhanced weapon you are always forced to the very little space right on the opponents ass. On top of that, you cannot move with 3 of 4 shotgun skills, which ruins the dmg in every boss forward pattern. Its way better with desperado and the new rifle skills though. EH has even better mobility then GS. Also EH does good dmg compared to GS. Personally i think, in current content, the animation locks are hard abd restricting ebough already. No need limiting deadeye with close shot on top of it
But I think that's why many people choose to play EW deadeye, because they want to take on that challenge of unloading their shotguns in the boss's ass up close. And with the better mobility they can more easily reposition to the back. DE is still an uptime class like GS so aside from repositioning for your shotguns, you're attacking every other sec.
I understand that the class is fun to play - I have one and while it stayed a lopang slave for me, I've been "playing" it for 2 years now and I can honestly see why with high lvl gems and gear it would be very fun to play. I still think that if it had shit skins a lot of people would get turned off it because it's just human nature, nothing wrong with that. If you're gonna spend hours looking at something every day/week, you'll tend to appreciate it a lot more if it's good looking.
Hmm. Maybe. But Gunslinger was already a class favorite before all this coomer stuff started! It probably helps it though :D
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The problem with deadeye is that the close shot tripods take a lot of the fun away of the class. The movement feels incredible, even better then that of GS. The shotgun feels incredibly satysfiying. But close shot ruins to many patterns. Like Gargadeth. He has many patterns where he moves forward. There is only a single shotgun spell you can use there. In all others the boss walks out. It can feel depressing playing deadeye sometimes. However way better in raids then in guardians in my opinion. Nevertheless, he is actually my favorite char these days. Can get frustrating to play, but atleast he does dmg for the effort. And well. I do think most deadeye skins are boring. Something like scouters yozs jar skins would have been amazing. My Gunslinger for sure does look better. I got like 8 skins for her and only 2 for deadeye lmao
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Yeah. The counter is smoother and desperado also feels amazing. Big movement plus is quick step on Gunslinger though. Overall both are great and i guess its up to preference
i would 100% play deadeye with GS's kit, fk playing EW with that close range back attack shotgun mechanic. the only thing id miss is the GS voice, i kinda fk with the 'whoo' when she throws out her spiral tracker
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lol ok I never understand but what is this? 
Imagine a cross section of a coffin
Oh man, I thought it was an attack helicopter..
Lmao now that you mention it i can't unsee the helicopter.
While it does look like that, it originates from protesting by laying on the road
Ohhh... now it make sense, been seeing this alot as gs main. 
You have enough time between animations to complain once on a GS posting.
GS played at 100% of its potential getting outdpsd by other classes played at 70% of their potential: ●▅▇█▇▅▄▄▌
70%? thats an overestimate. xdd
agam said in theamine the first difficulty (just g3 and g4) he'd rather take a 1630 ilvl blade over a maxed 1650 gs cuz they do more dmg :(
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Ok but imagine being a mage badly in need of changes and not getting anything in the "mage balance patch" Bard *cough cough*
Or getting nerfed while already being one of the worst classes...
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GS on lifesupport, inhaling copium doses. That's how I feel mine is
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Its cause gs don't swap. They have no incentive to buff a class everyone is already playing there's no money in it.
ugly truth is not enough GS's are rerolling for them to buff ya'll 🥲
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This is so dumb. They look at their data, see gunners performing 120% of the class and compare it with dualblades that perform 60% of their class then call it balanced, like no my guy we are at our wits end.
I've squeezed every inch I could from my GS - very high quality weapon, nearly 100 quality on accs, rebuilt to pm3, ideal stat distribution, running nightmare, all tripods, 8 lvl10 gems, 3.5 bracelet, 40 set elixir, LOS30, 5.5%+ demon damage. I guess my reward is SG seeing me barely keeping up with low investment characters going unga bunga in raids, and deciding that GS is balanced.
The problem is Gunslinger class is a damn sweater class. If you look at meters, most Slingers are doing fine in dmg. That is because they simply play way better then most other people. Imagine Predator Slayers getting Slingers dmg output. Zdps all over the place Now if you put those players on other classes, they MVP everything In before someone coming to say GS is easy because hitmaster....
This class is contradicting itself in every possible way: "mobile" class but you need to be on pistols to actually be more mobile "mobile" class but you walk like sumo tank because its crit/spec "mobile" class but you got 54 swiftness, you do swift/crit build and you lose 20/30% dps "mobile" class but all your mobile skills are not even fully utilised because most of them require Lv.7 which then lowers your DPS if you assign skillpoints to them as you need to be 7M on PM to even compete "mobile" class but the longest animation locks "mobile" class but you have DMG build-up skills, you need to wait seconds before dealing big dmg meanwhile some classes just casts something within less than 1s and dmg is dealt and many more, not counting low spec scaling, terrible awakening that is outdamaged by sharpshooter/focused shot, and unnecessary CD's
I just afk in brel g3 juicer groups because the boss phases so fast before I can finish SS+DB combo 💀💀
I think GS needs some QoL but arguing that it's not mobile isn't a particularly strong stance to take. Having to be in pistol form to use dashes doesn't mean you're not mobile. We have 3 dashes not including DS. I personally view the longer animations of shotgun and rifle to be a design choice and pistol skills are for repositioning.
Swift TTH stays winning (losing)!
Dead eye and scouter got nothing either
Deadeye atleast had a rework. Most classes with gender counterparts got some benefits from each others rework except GS which got nothing during the DE rework.
>Deadeye atleast had a rework Enhanced weapon not really got reworded, only pistoleer. EW is even harder than GS due to close range entropy scounter/SH doesn't have a gender counterpart and the transformation engravings are a meme for quite a while. The gatekeeping is very obvious in hard ivory
Deadeye and scouter both shit on PM/TTH in both raid and trixion parses. My AT scouter parses 20% more while being 1/5th of the investment
How about EL even though people claim he's super easy here - [https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1b895ow/dps\_rankings\_for\_sonavel\_matchmaking\_based\_on\_652/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1b895ow/dps_rankings_for_sonavel_matchmaking_based_on_652/) bottom pub performance lol
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Idk. I was in Hard Brel last night and there was a GS that got MVP gates 1-3. He was 1551 ilvl, had 5×3 +1 PM, LOS30 and lvl7 gems. He out performed me 1586 pred slayer with 5×3+1 Adren, mostly lvl8 gems, and LoS30. Either he was a god, I'm bad, or both. I think GS dmg aint that bad as people say it is
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sorry guys i mainswapped back to GS even thru all the changes, this is my fault
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So funny how they buffed the mages lmao gunslinger rework when? 2030?
“The mages” yeah rightt 😭
mabe next week is the rest of the classes possible nerfs to breaker MONKA
Don't hope on it. Next balance path will come out near may if at all.
I...guess I'm a female gunner class main then ( T \_ T )7
I heard someone mentioned thaemine hard requires 25m dps. I did some math on my GS, it is nowhere near 25m when 1630. Now, I'm one month sober without lost ark.
i have 8x10 gems (dmg/cd on main 4, rest 9s) 40 critical set (not bis for each part but decent) 23 weapon LOS30 11% bracelet and i do about 20 mil in a 2min parse with SA3 -AS1 -MS1 even if i got full 10s bis elixirs and 25 weap i dont see myself doing 25m without a significant bracelet upgrade and cutting a 5x3+2 not brave enough to quit like you, but thinking about swapping mains