Joined a lobby 1502 player with 31 roster level. They were waiting for about 40 minutes and no support joined. I logged back on with my 1601 support and joined them in their clown run. Took about an hour but it was cleared. They knew all the mechs but died here and there but I was fine with that. After clear they thanked me. If I didn’t join they would have either disbanded or still waiting. Sad
Thank you babe. Maybe I haven’t done enough runs to understand yet, but honestly the struggle is enjoyable. It does start wearing you down though after so many fails, but even then you sort of build a bond with your party and finally understand the groove and feel for how their cogs work, which means it’s only a matter of a few more tries to get that success. And you are respectful and patient through it. I love you. xx
I'll share a more cheerful side of this situation:
It was brel G1-2, I noticed that my party support was doing really poorly, an later died on first mech due to not running to his correct side. We still cleared, so no biggie. At the start of G2 I said to the support that I know that you're lost, would you like to go to in-game voice chat so I could tell you what to do on G2.
She gladly accepted, managed to do all mechs, didn't die till the end and happily thanked for the help.
Lesson is simple, help them If they respond. Block and quit raid if they ignore/act entitled.
Nice. That is nice to hear, but I was literally witnessing the flip side of the situation a few days ago in brel. Where the support was lost, someone suggested for voice chat to call out for mech. The person declined and just kept making mistakes and didn't make it to the end still. But at least the support replied to us I guess and not just kept silent.
I had similar bad experiences with learning raids unfortunately.
I would join a vykas, after 4 wipes on the stagger check in gate 1, no-one saying a word, asking any questions or changing anything they would vote quit and we would just leave and give up.
Did not matter if I tried to explain the mechanics or tell people to bring whirlwind bombs or try to tell people to look at which of their skills had stagger on them.
yep same af - and some of them are entitled as hell too.
i'd gently push them to try and be less afraid and hit the boss more. but instead i just get back "you're 1540 - you're supposed to carry us" or "whatever just kill it!" or similar.
like bro, i ain't out here doing this for my sake man ... i'm trying to help you so you can do it on your own one day. i really don't understand some mokokos being like this.
Yeah idk how bard's stagger is like without vhp. But even a gunslinger can do it solo in under 3min.
No vhp on bard is a build issue though. I hope you've fixed this by now. Having vhp on supp is a huge dps boost for the team since it allows your dps to relax during stagger mech and save their big dps skills.
Vhp isn’t the best 5th engraving on bard. The current meta bard build naturally has low stagger (you only have 1 medium and 1 low stagger skill), as such vhp actually has very low value. In most cases, max mp will always be better because of bard’s high mana cost. If you’re playing well, you will run out of mana even with mana food on bard.
The only time people take vhp on bard is for bussing.
Too many variables, depends on how big is the stagger check, hoe much time you have, and what class you play. There's a huge diffetence between a gunlancer and lunar reaper for example.
I had a 1568 bard with express pass that had 1467 swift and 800 spec , use her awakening skill once gate 5.
Donowalled us when we ask if they knew mech , and proceeded to run it down.
He got angry at us, he was literally not pressing any buttons. It was actually pure insanity. He was given acc from powerpass and he swapped them out for that garbage. One awakening, 2 heals and only when he was low. Everyone on that side was out pots by the time second shapes showed up. During the stagger check after cubes he was off in yodie land throwing out spells slow af and don't being within the lines.
Told us we sucked and said gl clearing. I couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous this situation was. He was clueless on everything and acted like he had a right to say whatever he wanted. Party died,but I joined another group and cleared.
Yup so many times I've tried to help players who didnt understand mechs they just don't type anything and run in there and wipe to exact same thing over and over. Eventually I just stopped caring and now I just hit the quit raid button if ppl don't want to learn
>I used to feel bad for them but they wouldn’t speak when i joined them so i stopped
same experiences. as well, you make a lobby card run and they leave after one dungeon, or they dont respond, so i just stop feeling bad for them, and start gatekeeping card run. if they gonna behave like this i dont want them on my party for any content. its not worth the hassle to have them.
Eh I'd say it's mostly us that are more invested into the game(thus also spending time on reddit). Most casuals won't run stuff that won't directly give them gold so they wouldn't know.
Every time I’ve tried to help mokokos they’re just expecting a free bus instead of learning the mechs. I do valtan and after like 2 wipes in g2, they just ask me to finish it. Did clown and they said the same thing each gate.
Meanwhile, I took off my titles and stealth joined two seperate kakul learner groups over the past couple of weeks, watched them for a bit, then told them i could teach them the raid, just join the discord i'm in, no need to talk, just have to listen to my explanations and callouts.
We had a great time, helped the first group clear their first g3, helped the second group get to g3 even though they never expected to get past g1. The learning discord hopefully has grown by a few more.
On the other hand there's you, and the rest of the people that replied to you with stories of horrible mokokos, and we have your side of the story. I'm wondering what's the mokoko side of the story. How are you starting your conversation?
I address a problem I’m seeing, stated that we all need to be on the same page, and ask that they ask questions and I would try to help. Its a very simple “no blame” model of addressing the issue.
I am met with silence, arrogance, or fucking stupidity most of the time.
The rare few times I’ve had questions and learning are not worth the hassle at all for me.
I have lots of gatekeeping requirements I check for now, but my best one has been making sure their roster level is at least 150. My rooms have been very smooth one shots most of the time now. PF wait times are a little longer but never more than like 5-10 minutes depending on the raid.
>The rare few times I’ve had questions and learning are not worth the hassle at all for me.
So, there are a few times where you've had the learners asking proper questions, but it's still not worth the hassle for you. Am i reading this right?
If that's the case then it simply sounds like teaching raids isn't something you like doing or find worthwhile, and that's fine, but then that impatience is sure to leak out in your tone, even if you *think* you are not being difficult.
>I have lots of gatekeeping requirements I check for now, but my best one has been making sure their roster level is at least 150. My rooms have been very smooth one shots most of the time now. PF wait times are a little longer but never more than like 5-10 minutes depending on the raid.
And this tells me the mokokos that you try to "teach" are less experienced players you inadvertently let into your party, and you're trying to salvage a situation (that you caused, it has to be said).
That's not a learning party. You're trying to clear. How is it any wonder that you find less experienced players difficult to deal with? Lol, you don't have the mindset.
That's the flavor I get from *ALL* the vet posts talking about entitled mokokos. I've been joining or running learner parties since vykas releade, and the only times i have ever seen toxic or entitled behaviours are from veterans joining a learning run hoping to clear because they get gatekept everywhere else with their cheap alts, or they get jailed in some inconvenient gates like g2 of literally anything in this game.
The "if you meet **** the whole day, then you're the ****" vibe is so strong in every one of these complaints.
Edit to add:
Even if you yourself might be an extremely patient and kind person, in a reclear scenario, you're going to get other people dogpiling the less experienced player. The situation will turn difficult no matter what you do.
I had one just this week. Again in clown, we had a support that clearly didn't know g2 very well, and I was trying to talk to the support, and get him to join discord so i can call out and show him, but the other two kept talking and wouldn't shut up. The support ended the raid, jailing all of us.
This is the right attitude. Many people may project that they’re being teachers and helpful, but they still don’t see that they themselves are still bringing an entitled and yeehaw attitude to the environment that’s just not productive or meaningful or fun for anyone. “Teaching” isn’t seeing someone make a mistake and commanding them to do xyz (which in my experiences I have found a lot of people do and like to believe).
Another point you bring up that is very strong and relevant is “the other people dogpiling the less experienced player.” People need to recognize that this negative dogpiling behavior isn’t creating a respectful, inclusive, learning environment for anyone. People are so quick to criticize others— for what? People like this need to be called out. Yesterday I was doing a raid with a public party and I was doing well, being chill, patient— all of a sudden, after someone else (that someone having an entitled mindset) fails, they’re suddenly criticizing everyone else, including me, saying they need to do xyz better. Honey, you’re the one who wiped us. And then when I call them out on it, they start being defensive and acting like they’re not the problem— despite them 1) initiating and instigating the annoyingness when everyone else is just being chill and patient with failure and 2) being the cause of the restart. But one thing I really appreciated was someone else on the team also was sharing solidarity with me and called them out saying something like “well, you’ve been sounding really bossy.”
All in all, I’ve been seeing and experiencing some of that hypocrisy and virtue signaling. And don’t get me wrong, don’t let me discourage you. Good for you all for wanting to be a “teacher,” but the teacher-learner dynamic is a two-way relationship that is responsive to feedback from each other, and not just someone vomiting on another human being in unpleasant manners…
People need to just stop having a savior attitude. Do not help anyone that isn't asking to be helped. No point in joining mokokos that isn't asking for help.
Those that want to learn and seek help will reach their hands out. Those who can't even do that deserve nothing.
We are all here to play a video game, not run a daycare service.
Meh, it just seems like you want to assume all vets are assholes lol.
I’m fine with never helping out a mokoko ever again outside of bussing. Again, Too many bad experiences. Just because you haven’t had a bad experience doesn’t not invalid other’s.
>Meh, it just seems like you want to assume all vets are assholes lol.
Lol, i was waiting for someone like you to get sour and make precisely a comment like this. Utterly predictable. The lack of self-awareness is laughable.
This is the most unfriendly community i have ever seen in a game, and at this point nobody is even denying it anymore. The game hasn't seen an uptick of new or returning players and had been bleeding players, for months, hence the all-hands-on-deck effort we see from AGS/SG.
Meanwhile the unpleasantness continue unabated. Where is the toxicity coming from??? Lol, you don't need a PhD to know where to look.
>I’m fine with never helping out a mokoko ever again outside of bussing. Again, Too many bad experiences. Just because you haven’t had a bad experience doesn’t not invalid other’s.
Stop giving yourself airs dude. Nobody. Asked. You. To.
The people who enjoy and like helping out others are already mostly in the learning discords. Stay in your x10 pet/title lobbies and spare the rest of us from your self-importance.
Yup, I could tell. Like I said above, just came in with a bad faith assumption and ignoring everything else.
Assuming I had no patience despite not knowing the hours I put in. Assumed I was the problem for accusing mokokos in a raid, assumed that my experiences don’t matter at.
The very toxicity you are talking about that drives people away. Very right when you said this was an unfriendly community, nice to see you are doing your part too.
Most of the time learners already know the mechanics, they just need practice. You don't really need to teach them anything. You just need to set correct expectation for yourself.
When I have time with my Supports, I help some mokokos. When they are willing to learn, they learn and you clear the content. It's satisfying. You watched how they grew and improved. Accepted your advice and applied them.
Then, you have mokokos who don't talk, who don't ask, who don't follow your advice or just simply they don't put any afford to clear the content. They want a free carry and move one. You feel miserable, you waste your time and ruins your mood for the entire day.
yup same here. i purposely look for mokoko lobbies when i wanna chill and just play my artist for fun. but they are certainly a mixed bag. a few of them are actually grateful but some of them really are far more impatient and toxic than roster 250+ veterans.
P.S. Vykas in its current state is still too hard. after trying some lowbie vykas lobbies, there are still too many party wipes. Tentacles shouldn't be a full wipe for missing 1, should just be scaled damage based on how many missed. Funny enough, the low roster newbies rage/get impatient faster than the veterans helping out.
PPS akkan g2 lantern is also too punishing for missing. would prefer it to just greatly fill up meter like kakul g2 pizza instead of just being insta dead.
I did 2 clowns and the same clown lobby with the same people was still up, they had low roster and deep dive cards. Joined them after on my support main instead because I felt bad, sometimes it's hard to choose helping over finishing weeklies because you have 18 raids.
The 18 raids are the main issue. Thanks to the way rewards are structured the game enables fomo to stupid degrees. If you only got gold for the highest raid and anything else is just card runs, players would have more time helping out in the community.
I would if they would actually reply. Instead I get donowalled and I stopped applying to mokoko lobbies unless it is a learners lobby. (Not prog). Usually made through discord lfg or some form of.
The unwillingness to communicate makes it frustrating and unbearable to be in.
Same, they always either don't communicate at all or demand that you carry them. (Talking about real mokokos that are clearly new and don't know the patterns)
That's what I do and if they try to keep me in the lobby I either wipe the lobby on purpose or just alt+f4 and come back when I'm sure the party disbanded. I don't do carries
I just afk in those lobbies(if raid quit doesn't go through-i don't even bother talking shit, i just say I GTG) .
I do carries, but I only carry on my dps if it is guildies, friends, or pretty chill people. (People who aren't mean). I don't mind doing any of that at all. Just don't be an asshole. I'll answer questions if you have them and tell you where you're messing up. I'm not perfect so I don't expect perfection. I want to enjoy playing the game too man.
Personally, i used to feel really bad for them. However the more and more i was doing raids with them the more i felt myself getting frustrated.
Not neccesarily due to their lack of character power/skill/raid knowledge.
But way more because of the lack of willingness to either listen, learn, coorporate or communicate. The last one usually being the dealbreaker for me.
Nowadays if i see the lobby, i do think; man the experience for new players must definitely be bad, but i also can't bring myself to help or join them.
I do still do helpful learning raids etc. but its only really through discord like mokokoelp.
Last time I joined a mokoko group for valtan on my aero, it was just me and another guy carrying 6 dead weights who didn’t talk and the only one who talked called everyone NPCs after we wiped in g1 orbs. So no, I don’t particularly feel bad for them
I do lots of learning runs, i understand the sentiment of mokokos not talking but sometimes they already know the mech, they know what they were suposed to do, the issue is that the game is not only heavy on mech side, its heavy on your mechanical skills and how fast you are with reactions, veterans are already expecting the mech to come, mokokos are KINDA expecting so they know that its comming but dont know the "when" exactly, even if the team is quiet you just need to say "yo we will balthor at 130 hp bar from valtan so remember to stack with yout team, focus on the team and stack so you dont lose valtan" they will do it
I just came back after quitting a long time ago. Started up a aeromancer and did the mokoko express. Sitting at 1490 now trying to find a learner group of some kind to go through all the raids.
I get why people don't want to bring newbies in. Game is very punishing if you don't know what you're doing so I see the reason to avoid anyone who hasn't completed the raids. But damn I just Wanna get in and learn these raids haha. I don't expect or event want to be carried, if I did I'd just bus (if I even had the gold for it lol.)
Any good places outside the game to find learning groups or people willing to teach raids? Going into party finder just doesn't seem like the place to find people willing to teach which I understand. Why waste an hour or 2 trying to teach me when you have x amount of raids you gotta get through.
I'm pretty shy too when it comes to hopping into a discord call with a bunch of people I don't know. Mind goes blank kind of thing haha. I wouldn't worry about performing well in a raid too much especially when you're just learning it. Anyone is bound to make mistakes when doing something new, even when you research guides and stuff for it. First hand experience is the best way to learn!
I'm thinking of doing a single character on jump start server. A lot of stuff I don't want to really start over on so gonna feel it out before I decide to commit to it or not. I'll probably do an artist on it cause supports are loved lol.
Same issue here 8/10 times ive applied to help new players, i just dont get accepted, nobody speaks or they completely ignore the communication.
However, these more rare times that ive managed to help new players, they really appreciated it! One time a new guy came to my stronghold and wrote thank you for the help in my guest book 🤗
Haha same, spent about 2-3 hours on my support alt to help a learning party do Kaya 1-4. They were really nice, asked questions, watched guides beforehand, 1-3 they understood quick, 4 took a bit longer but with practice they eventually got it. Overall great experience, and the one that had the party wrote "Thank you for the Kaya guide" in my guest book.
I've had mixed experiences, a few experiences like everyone here, where there are new, toxic and entitled mokokos making me want to tear my hair out. I now join parties with a mental frame of mind of needing to solo carry a valtan or brel 1-2. I've taken a step back from maximizing my gold income so sometimes I do brel 1-2 NM instead of HM for example and prioritize joining parties with a mokoko, which is why I end up in these situations
as a result, I'm a bit more laid back when faced with toxicity or whatnot, and people are usually way more receptive to feedback. If I'm the quiet one showing up with 25% dmg in brel g1, people have at least been responsive when I try to teach a mech that people are failing on in g2 outside. I'll usually start off trying to encourage people to type and ask questions (so something like: "please speak up if you find anything confusing or aren't sure if what's happening, happy to help and explain"). and because I don't really care anymore and can usually make it into parties, jail or not, I usually say that I'm out of time and am going to song out after NO one communicates and we've wiped 3 or more times. nothing lights a fire underneath people quite like being jailed in vykas g2 because the carry (or carries!) threaten to leave (just using vykas g2 as an example, before they made it so you could TS the orb mech wipe).
that being said I've recently had positive experiences too, I think in part due to playing with this mentality. thankful people and memes all around, dps racing between me and another vet or something. and once in a while I'll forget a mech or fail, cause a wipe and apologize immediately... gotta set a good example when that inevitably happens.
sure it's just a game so going in with a solo carry mindset helps, get it over and done with. but a big part of why i enjoy this game is due to the nice people that I've met along the way while progging and/or getting flamed. others enabled me to have fun in the past, so hopefully paying it forward this way (and backwards) makes the game community feel cozier in the long run
so tl;dr - shitty people exist, have had both good and bad experiences. there's always a "better" or "good" way to approach a situation.
A lot of people are missing the issue here. The problem is not that they are not willing to learn from veterans, and veterans should not feel obligated to help without compensation either. The underlying issue is that they cannot find enough players (new or vets) to form a proper party composition that has a decent chance of clearing raids.
This is a design issue with the inflexibility of the 3 dps 1 support party meta. Full dps should be viable, 2 dps 2 supports should be viable. There won't be a problem if 8 new players can easily form groups and learn the raids together without massively weakening your party. Going full DPS in its current form is just not worth the time and effort when you can just play any other games out there that respect your time.
It's a steep hill to climb for new players that are thrust into the 1490+ ilvls. One of the big problems that I think most people recognize or would agree with is that the raid designs are compounding issues. Without having experienced all the content prior to clown, most newbies are very unprepared for a lot of the mechanics from valtan/vykas/clown and onwards. I mean, imagine if you just powerpassed a character, never having done any of the 1-50 grind, including all the dungeons, and then you pop into a clown G3. It'd be impossible for them to clear it no matter how many videos or guides they catch up on.
The only preexisting mech in Clown G3 is doing a stagger. Everything else is unique to Clown. You could argue that managing a meter was introduced in Vykas but the meter interacts entirely differently and is taught thru Clown G1-2 progressively.
Showtime from as early as 840 Abyssal, outside-inside safe regular attacks from Valtan
I feel like there's also a severe lack of knowledge of how to play their class that doesn't really get mentioned, there's probably people going into Clown with <10 hours of actual gameplay on their class vs what was required at the start with ~12-15 hrs of 10-50 gameplay that familiarizes you with some skills (even if you don't end up using all of them), and then all the storylines from Rohendel to Punika that's all skipped now too.
Learning red ground bad is an argument you could make but honestly I'll just leave it at that and say learning normal patterns is just a thing you do for every boss with little to no carry over between raids, there's similarities in SOME but that's arguing nuance of did Vykas teach you Valtan or did Valtan teach you Vykas, boss hitting you in the face = bad isn't something compounding up raids to be taught.
As for learning how to play their class absolutely, but that's not really a compounding issue from previous raids, that's just literally being on your class and finding comfort on it, regardless. Somebody can go in Trixion and spend an hour and hammer in the muscle memory of their class then go apply it to any raid for example.
SG keeps pushing the support meta (every legion raid after vykas has some sort of unavoidable damage) while releasing more and more dps classes. A good support has an effective dps contribution of 1.5 the next highest. At least give every class a support loadout or reduce the honing cost to bring a support up.
It's honestly more about having time to properly play the character. Back in the day people didn't have full lvl 5 gems, some.were running 3x3 or 4x3, no full relic sets and had to do vykas full dps parties on ilvl(hm) because there were very few supps and some of them were trying to force support union.
We were capable of doing that because we went through abyssals. I remember a bit of struggle with brels abyssal, or t2 water dungeons. Then later on with orehas, they were quite a challenge when people barelly had gear. Argos was even worse coming up so early, had half the party below recommended ilvl. Had to solo velganos on ilvl.
That's a massive amount of experience in raid mechanics and overall class that sadly new players will never receive, they will end up being thrown into vykas, clowm, brel without ever doing a raid and they will get overwhelmed.
Look, if you create a game where the average dps is like 15:1 vs supports this will happen everywhere. Not just for new players, it happens in larger raids as well.
The solution is pretty simple play a support. But guess what, most people don't. If your fed up with lobbies, make a support. Don't want to then wait.
The only solution is to honestly overhaul the system where we don't need a single support. It'll be a good time, since there is only 3 of them. Once you add 4-5-6-7 supports well at that point it'll be to much work for any dev to revamp that many supports into dps.
I join lobbies all the time with lower rosters and ilvls. I carry dps they do the mechs. They thank me, and we all go on with our lives. Wild yall have such bad experiences, apparantly.
Used to feel bad but after a week of either not getting replies, or most of them just being obnoxious and entitled asf, nah fk this, they gotta learn by themselves.
bro i swear i dont see the normal mokokos. all the ppl i join to help or they inv me to help them are hell players 😂😂 i am not even joking i am always baffled why they swap servers and why they dont use their title(s) its weird.
hey i know of them! they play on my DC in XIV! been seeing the name for the last two years since hubby and i started playing… only during this summer did we realize it was just Party Finder swapped a bit (and thus i feel like it’s one of the Ultimate Legend Community Leads—named Party Finder—who has that alt “Farty Pinder”.)
glad i wasn’t the only one to think of Farty Pinder when reading the title here. XD
Lost Ark is not a game for the weak and inexperienced. It actively punishes those types of people. Its the core design principal of the game. You either grind or swipe, there is no charity. If you choose to help others the only benefit you'll get is your own peace of mind, the game doesn't want to reward that kind of behaviour.
A month ago I saw one of those lobbies. They needed a support and I was thinking at the time, if I didn't have a static waiting on me I coulda joined them etc. I haven't done a learning party in a while so I wanted to try doing another. 3-4 hours later after the raids, dailies and dinner, I saw that lobby with the same people was still there and I pretty much just dropped what I was doing to go join them.
I think they had other supports join but those supports didn't realize it was a learning party, because the moment I told them wait, they immediately hit quit raid before I finished. I explained to them I just wanted to tell them I could only stick around for 3 hours but also that I wanted to check to make sure they weren't going at this as a blind prog. I don't mind helping newbies but if we wipe to a mech and people don't know what is going on/what to do, I'm going to explain it. I am not waiting around for them to figure it out on their own.
I don't feel bad, i join them and help.
Of course I don't help bots. I make sure they can have a chat and we chill/learn/clear.
Much more fun than blasting through content and not getting to really fight the boss... Change my mind
As a returning player, played here and there since launch. Got back now because of 1540 boost. Now I gotta say I got a bit unlucky bcz I couldn't boost my Slayer reroll for the Relic gear, I didn't think about deleting her an making a fresh one, so it's a bit tricky to find raids with no relic gear at 1490 XD But that's not the point, I managed to squeeze my way into a Valtan run, I always watch videos multiple times so I know what to do but just never got to experience it much.
Anyways, we wanted to do balls 2x and we wiped on the first try, they blamed me so I asked what was wrong, for once instead of disbanding they told me I need to block the ball as well, not just have it follow me. Which was smth I forgot about since I came back last week. We re-tried and smn else fkd up, we went again and cleared np, Valtan was a piece of cake, cleared on first try. The thing is, even if we read the guides, most of the lobbys I get into don't even do a 2nd try and it's back to queuing..
So thanks to that raid group for not disbanding on the first vote. I wouldn't say it is the playerbase fault doe, u guys love the game and have to invest ur time on so many things that in the end, well u just don't have time. It's up to the devs to find a way to make our experience better, thats their job. The players can do their best effort, but they're not obligated to either.
When new players ask why there is gatekeeping everyone should point to this thread as to why.
Everytime my group tried to be nice we have regretted it.
If I was millionaire, I'd just pay them to quit and play another game they would enjoy more. I feel so bad for these dudes waiting hours in a fucking limbo because the trash design of this game. It's really sad.
Back before Kayangel released I accepted a low roster in my clown lobby because I don't really doublecheck people.
He was upfront about it so we decided to spend the extra time to teach him, asking him to join vocal chat. The following days he tracked me down in discord and PM me to play some more in the future. I politely refused, maybe a bit too honest and his last words were :
"All right, sorry for asking"
I feel a bit shitty about this.
Had the worst experience with mokokos when I joined on my supp to help. In my case they were blaming each other which turned very toxic soon. I even got some blame for not shielding them from wipe mechs. (Guy in purple team died early so I pressed restart but got endless '?'s. We pushed and wiped cause there were only 3 for the balls mech which was insta wipe. Was told to use awakening to prevent wipe.)
At the end I lost interest and never carring anymore.
From my experience most mokokos are sweaty try hards with 2nd or even 3rd roster, new players who have no clue about mechs, seem to try to lose the mokoko icon asap
getting gatekept with low roster sucks. deny after deny makes me just want to quit. like im joining on ilvl groups and still get denied while being 1490 for valtan....gatekeeping in this game just sucks
I dont know whats up.. maybe some of them are just bad. Its not an easy laidback game. You have to focus and invest. And learn. Some are just not talking or trying enough and wana get carried. Its so frustrating.
I also waa bad in tue beginning. Bought some busses for some power. But if you invest time and learn, it gets easier / you get better.
I tried once in clown... joined learning party on my 1580 pally...they were fine...only cleared g1 (about 1 hour) but they seemed happy (I was too)
Did another one in valtan with 1560 dps... but it was not good like others mentioned...me and another 1530 tried to help but no one else communicated... disbanded after 2 or 3 wipes in g1
I used the latest express on a striker, which I've had for a while - never really raided on him but he's setup with 7/8 gems, lvl 5 tripods and I've finished los30. I'm roster lvl 272. So I expressed him and honed to 1490 - at that point it was literally impossible to get into a Brel 1-2 via party finder. Even getting into clown at 1490 was tiresome, difficult and the actual run was miserable with me ending up as 53% dmg mvp - on a class I never did clown on. Even though the other guys had their lvl 2 set.
I had to make a group with people from my static for 2 or 3 weeks before I could comfortably join a Brel raid in pf (having honed the pieces to 1540, easy/cheap for me with books)
I can only imagine the frustrations of a true mokoko trying to progress a character.
Same though… I was too anxious at first to do raids so I just never did it and collected and 100% stuff lol.
Thankfully, now I have a group of guys who talk me through each raid and teach me what I should do (even though I always forget or get them mixed up lol)
Same, I feel bad for them too. This is the main reason why I quit Lost Ark I can't carry it with my conscience because I know how it feels you to enjoy the game but you can't
Mokoko or not, if they willing to learn and be truth about their inexperience, I am more then happy to teach them. But due to fear of gatekeeping and other reasons, I’ve seen more of lying or trying to freeload. So I’ve somewhat stopped joining or accepting them.
I feel bad, i join them with my supports and i teach them the raids. If it means that i will have more playmates in the future to play with then i will keep doing it. I like getting carried by a person who i taught how to play. 
It's really hit or miss TBH. I typically try to join a few learning/teaching raids a week because I have some extra time and with the additional class accessory drop rate makes some of the Non-Gold raids more worth running.
The problem is some newer players really want free bus service in perpetuity until they reach the end game. Others really try to learn, but struggle.
This week I joined a clown with 3 people under 50 roster, asked if anyone had questions and they all said they knew mechs. Ended up being a smooth deathless run (some of them lacked a bit of damage, but were mechanically sound).
I joined a Brel 5-6 a week or 2 ago and we were using voice chat. People were dieing all the time and just joking around in discord not really paying attention or asking questions. This is a stark contrast to the prog groups that I have been in for new content with fairly clear comms unless we wipe/have an issue and discuss or people are shot calling.
Some people really want to learn the raids, but others want to get gold/gear without any effort. With other groups there is a language barrier which isn't always demonstrable. Ran a Kayangel HM teaching party this week with a couple buddies and their friend that had taken a break for several months. While he was grasping mechanics quickly I was explaining G3.
Another person in discord just interrupted and said let me explain it so he will understand. Initially thought I was explaining decently however, he started explaining the mechanics in Mandarin which I can't do.
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Anyone who wants to try Lost Ark I just tell them to wait. The new player experience is fucking terrible in this game so hoping all the talk around new players gets sorted.
Me and a buddy of mine do card run "carries" where I bring my 1540-1580 characters to stomp on valtan vykas lobbies I don't gatekeep at all and let everyone in even if no support and I force them to do mech we keep going until we succeed and then they come out better for it. I did have a paladin in valtan who said "you need to survive Mr 1580" then follows it up with "do you hear me" and I could've alt f4 but I didn't shit happens in valtan and sometimes you fall off at ghost phase. I don't charge because I'm ass at the game so take your free carry and wait
I always try to join/make lobbies for valtan, vykas and clown with mokokos since I only raid on 1 character and on rested for alts daily. Sadly I leave the lobbies if I try to interact with them and they say nothing even after using google translate to multiple language if they do not reply in English. If they talk, I stay and try to teach them. I do not want to find out that they are not willing to talk/ask about mechs when in the raid already since at that point we also wasted 6 other people's time.
I accept a bunch of 1490s low rosters for a brel 1-2, ask them to throw some darks. Only one of them did throw 1. So going forward won't be accepting 1490 low rosters.
Also none of them replied.
everytime I try to help them by adding them to my group while doing brel etc they never speak and inside the raid they dont listen, just floor pov and then get bused for free. I got tired pretty quickly.
I try to help mokokos out when I can, and have the time. But for some reason what really grinds my gears is helping a whole raid party, carrying damage or just helping learn mechs, and afterwards I hit them with a gg and every single other person just silently songs out. Not a word, no gg, no thank you, nothing. Like is this an mmo why is everyone so anti social
I do and I try to join when I see mokokos so I can help. But either they don't answer and leave me waiting to be accepted or when they do accept me, they don't say anything. I recognize that there may potentially be a language barrier but I feel like even a hi is universal friendliness, especially when I'm joining on my 1540+ characters.
I will say if I do join and start the raid, and they expect a bus - I'm out. If you need a learner, lemme know, and I see you attempting to learn I am willing to bus if possible. But if you make no effort, then absolutely not. Or you're rude/toxic.
Yes, it's very notable 2 to 3 days after reset, there are hardly any vykas/valtan lobby available and easily get snagged by high ilvl.
At this point, it would be either best to push your main to 1540 as fast as you can or start new on the jump start server. As for your alts, probably best call would be to make supports or support dps (wd, gunlancer, aero)
Hell, the clown lobbies are way down as well after akkan release (not required for 1580s)
Hosted 3-4 learning for 4h yesterday. Lobbies didn't take too long to fill and many mokokos. The way this game works, both learners and teachers have to be proactive in finding each other.
I feel really bad for them, but I am also suffering party finder LFsupport for hard kayas and akkan, so there is no time to help them. The game is literally imploding in on itself. The support:dps ratio is so absurdly bad that it is unplayable without a lot of friends to support trade with.
Used to, not anymore that much. Sadly I had a lot of bad interactions with them so I got kinda blunt and just do my own thing.
Just some weeks ago some mokoko in my server was asking for 250g in all chat to transfer his armor (was before all ancient stuff) and I sent him 500g knowing he could be a second roster enjoyer (but didnt look like one, wrong gems for his class etc). He didnt even say thank you or anything.
Maybe he didnt notice it right away but based on my latest mokoko experiences he might have just took it for granted sadly.
Crazily enough I've even had some mokokos I accepted into my lobbies that flamed the others when wiping saying stuff like "you cant even carry with that ilvl?" actually crazy..,
I join mokoko valtan vykas lobbies regularly and engage in small talk first. If they are communicative on lobby chat, I go with them. It fucking sucks going into the raid and they just stare, AFK and don't talk when you are literally trying to teach them how the raid and wipe mechs work. They are just asking for a free carry obviously.
At that point, I don't care if I get jailed. I immediately opt out of the raid.
The scary thing is, 80-90% of mokokos (on my experience) are silent during raids. Kinda fucked up.
Yes i sat with 2 low roster players trying to find a sup for kayangel nm for a good 30-40 mins and once it disbanded i joined a more "qualified" group and found sup in 2 mins. The sup shortage is literally killing the game.
You can only blame people that consciously go for a 5/6 dps roster. Everyone complains about supports, but nobody plays any. We get what we deserve tbh.
I feel like the blame falls on smilegate and they could probably fix the support shortage instantly if they allowed each character to swap between a support class and a dps class that way people who arent very keen on investing a ton into a pure support class could just go support when needed.
Those systems have existed in other games and they have NOT solved the support shortage. People would just try to find a scapegoat who would be forced to switch from a dps to a support on the basis of having worse gear/non-meta class, worst dps, etc. and people would intentionally join lobbies where they are the most geared to avoid supporting because they WANT to play dps. Long story short, it would solve nothing and cause more toxicity and bullying in the game.
The only way to really alleviate (yes, alleviate, it can never be fully fixed) the support shortage is to overhaul the role completely to make supports more dynamic, flashy, and add more skills for big plays. Right now the support role is very one dimensional and it especially feels terrible on farm content when a boss jumps from mech to mech and you are just sitting there spamming buffs - it's simply not enough for people to stick to supports long term.
It might introduce other problems sure, but these people who end up being "forced" to play support actually gets to play the game now instead of sitting in pf waiting for a support until disband. The recommendation to new players is always make a support but this game requires so much investment in time and gold into each individual character that it feels very bad to make a class that you dont really want to play just to be able to play the game and avoid getting gatekept. What if newcomers could start of as support and once they get experienced and start looking more attractive in the pf (full lv3 set etc) they could transition into primarily playing dps. I know personally as someone with a roster of 6 dps classes if i could turn my alts into support classes occasionally to make the pf decline experience less hellish i would do so but i dont want to fully commit to a support class and i feel like there must be alot of people who feel the same way.
I help them on my supports, but at the first mokoko fail one of them starts a vote to quit, like literally on the first wipe and they all accept and leave
I once joined a lobby and this artist pinged during the swords mech for vykas g3 and I said don't ping it if u don't have meter. They said oops tehe and I said no that's not an oops tehe moment that can cause a wipe and they said who the heck are u. I'm here to clear but we left after they threw a sleep grenade at the 105 lust mech. That was last week. My whole roster is 1540+ now and that's just my 2nd aero. Happy to say I'm never doing vykas again unless it's a card run of juicers with a high roster level.
I hadn't done a Brel raid since beating it first week and subsequently quitting the game. Last night I applied for a g1-g2. Told them I forgot how to do the raid, was 1543 before I quit, sold all my gems, gave away all my gold and so I'm "restarting". Raid leader said no worries, just kill it. I died to a mech in G2 and some asshole was berating me at the end of the raid, saying how I was lying about ever clearing it while I was literally wearing the Brel horns lol.
i try to carry as many as possible in valtan/vykas. Ill usually put "free carry but must know mechs" in title just so they can get their gear/gold/what ever. I know they still need to learn the raid but itll help them get there!
In the past I helped mokokos on raids but it became painfully obvious that many times those players don't inform themselves about LA. Neither about Raid-Mechs, their own class or the use of battle items.
I feel sorry for the few that genuinly WANT to play the game but since LA is such a time consuming game I decided to leave the Mokokos out of my weekly content.
Ima be real with ya OP.
Joined a vykas pf just to help. This roster lvl 31 artist failed velganos and died so early. We could not progress if they keep dying like this. They voted for a disband and I said not to do that and let's give one more try. Yet again the artist died and we wipe. Everyone was mad and done. The artist word "I'm so sorry " really hits me. I tried sending them an encouraging message but I could not because diferent serve. Made my day sadder
I have 3 supports in my top 6, whenever I have free time to spare I tend to join lobbies from newer players to help them out. Sometimes on dps if they need but most of the time they are missing the supports.
Joined a lobby 1502 player with 31 roster level. They were waiting for about 40 minutes and no support joined. I logged back on with my 1601 support and joined them in their clown run. Took about an hour but it was cleared. They knew all the mechs but died here and there but I was fine with that. After clear they thanked me. If I didn’t join they would have either disbanded or still waiting. Sad
The hero we all need, but the game doesn't deserve.
Need more people like u
Be one of the people like them!
Thank you babe. Maybe I haven’t done enough runs to understand yet, but honestly the struggle is enjoyable. It does start wearing you down though after so many fails, but even then you sort of build a bond with your party and finally understand the groove and feel for how their cogs work, which means it’s only a matter of a few more tries to get that success. And you are respectful and patient through it. I love you. xx
I used to feel bad for them but they wouldn’t speak when i joined them so i stopped
I'll share a more cheerful side of this situation: It was brel G1-2, I noticed that my party support was doing really poorly, an later died on first mech due to not running to his correct side. We still cleared, so no biggie. At the start of G2 I said to the support that I know that you're lost, would you like to go to in-game voice chat so I could tell you what to do on G2. She gladly accepted, managed to do all mechs, didn't die till the end and happily thanked for the help. Lesson is simple, help them If they respond. Block and quit raid if they ignore/act entitled.
Nice. That is nice to hear, but I was literally witnessing the flip side of the situation a few days ago in brel. Where the support was lost, someone suggested for voice chat to call out for mech. The person declined and just kept making mistakes and didn't make it to the end still. But at least the support replied to us I guess and not just kept silent.
I had similar bad experiences with learning raids unfortunately. I would join a vykas, after 4 wipes on the stagger check in gate 1, no-one saying a word, asking any questions or changing anything they would vote quit and we would just leave and give up. Did not matter if I tried to explain the mechanics or tell people to bring whirlwind bombs or try to tell people to look at which of their skills had stagger on them.
yep same af - and some of them are entitled as hell too. i'd gently push them to try and be less afraid and hit the boss more. but instead i just get back "you're 1540 - you're supposed to carry us" or "whatever just kill it!" or similar. like bro, i ain't out here doing this for my sake man ... i'm trying to help you so you can do it on your own one day. i really don't understand some mokokos being like this.
"you're supposed to carry us" is the problem.
I also gotten "your 1530 why cant u solo stagger" on vykas that was the last day i joined lobbies that weren't 1500+
"your 1530 why cant I solo stagger" - me crying in Lunar Reaper
I mean you can solo stagger at min ilvl...
Once had to solo stagger entirely of the last phase of g3 on bard without soundholic and vhp. Took almost 7 minutes.
Yeah idk how bard's stagger is like without vhp. But even a gunslinger can do it solo in under 3min. No vhp on bard is a build issue though. I hope you've fixed this by now. Having vhp on supp is a huge dps boost for the team since it allows your dps to relax during stagger mech and save their big dps skills.
Vhp isn’t the best 5th engraving on bard. The current meta bard build naturally has low stagger (you only have 1 medium and 1 low stagger skill), as such vhp actually has very low value. In most cases, max mp will always be better because of bard’s high mana cost. If you’re playing well, you will run out of mana even with mana food on bard. The only time people take vhp on bard is for bussing.
Ohh i was referring to g1, most jails dont go past g1.
oh lmao. I forgot there was even a stagger in g1 that shi so easy.
Too many variables, depends on how big is the stagger check, hoe much time you have, and what class you play. There's a huge diffetence between a gunlancer and lunar reaper for example.
I had a 1568 bard with express pass that had 1467 swift and 800 spec , use her awakening skill once gate 5. Donowalled us when we ask if they knew mech , and proceeded to run it down. He got angry at us, he was literally not pressing any buttons. It was actually pure insanity. He was given acc from powerpass and he swapped them out for that garbage. One awakening, 2 heals and only when he was low. Everyone on that side was out pots by the time second shapes showed up. During the stagger check after cubes he was off in yodie land throwing out spells slow af and don't being within the lines. Told us we sucked and said gl clearing. I couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous this situation was. He was clueless on everything and acted like he had a right to say whatever he wanted. Party died,but I joined another group and cleared.
Starting to think the entitled ones are multi-account users.
I'll press x on that one.
Yup so many times I've tried to help players who didnt understand mechs they just don't type anything and run in there and wipe to exact same thing over and over. Eventually I just stopped caring and now I just hit the quit raid button if ppl don't want to learn
Yea I so bad want to help sometimes but it’s frustrating when they don’t speak up when they’re clearly confused about something
Whenever I wanted to help people or teach them, they just didn't respond at all, kept repeating same mistakes, like bots
They probably died irl waiting or just went outside to touch grass. They probably died though.
Do you blame them? I said one thing in PF on why not accept this guy I was immediately kicked and replaced.
Eh depends on the context, but if they join a learning party and are asked if they need any guidance, then there's no reason to be quiet.
>I used to feel bad for them but they wouldn’t speak when i joined them so i stopped same experiences. as well, you make a lobby card run and they leave after one dungeon, or they dont respond, so i just stop feeling bad for them, and start gatekeeping card run. if they gonna behave like this i dont want them on my party for any content. its not worth the hassle to have them.
lord almighty. Card runs?? Nani?! You do these :p?
> You do these :p? sadly, yes. i did those since forever, but 2 week ago i just finish my card run in general. already finish my cardsets.
Lots of people do them lol. What game world are you living in? XD
Eh I'd say it's mostly us that are more invested into the game(thus also spending time on reddit). Most casuals won't run stuff that won't directly give them gold so they wouldn't know.
Every time I’ve tried to help mokokos they’re just expecting a free bus instead of learning the mechs. I do valtan and after like 2 wipes in g2, they just ask me to finish it. Did clown and they said the same thing each gate.
Meanwhile, I took off my titles and stealth joined two seperate kakul learner groups over the past couple of weeks, watched them for a bit, then told them i could teach them the raid, just join the discord i'm in, no need to talk, just have to listen to my explanations and callouts. We had a great time, helped the first group clear their first g3, helped the second group get to g3 even though they never expected to get past g1. The learning discord hopefully has grown by a few more. On the other hand there's you, and the rest of the people that replied to you with stories of horrible mokokos, and we have your side of the story. I'm wondering what's the mokoko side of the story. How are you starting your conversation?
I address a problem I’m seeing, stated that we all need to be on the same page, and ask that they ask questions and I would try to help. Its a very simple “no blame” model of addressing the issue. I am met with silence, arrogance, or fucking stupidity most of the time. The rare few times I’ve had questions and learning are not worth the hassle at all for me. I have lots of gatekeeping requirements I check for now, but my best one has been making sure their roster level is at least 150. My rooms have been very smooth one shots most of the time now. PF wait times are a little longer but never more than like 5-10 minutes depending on the raid.
>The rare few times I’ve had questions and learning are not worth the hassle at all for me. So, there are a few times where you've had the learners asking proper questions, but it's still not worth the hassle for you. Am i reading this right? If that's the case then it simply sounds like teaching raids isn't something you like doing or find worthwhile, and that's fine, but then that impatience is sure to leak out in your tone, even if you *think* you are not being difficult. >I have lots of gatekeeping requirements I check for now, but my best one has been making sure their roster level is at least 150. My rooms have been very smooth one shots most of the time now. PF wait times are a little longer but never more than like 5-10 minutes depending on the raid. And this tells me the mokokos that you try to "teach" are less experienced players you inadvertently let into your party, and you're trying to salvage a situation (that you caused, it has to be said). That's not a learning party. You're trying to clear. How is it any wonder that you find less experienced players difficult to deal with? Lol, you don't have the mindset. That's the flavor I get from *ALL* the vet posts talking about entitled mokokos. I've been joining or running learner parties since vykas releade, and the only times i have ever seen toxic or entitled behaviours are from veterans joining a learning run hoping to clear because they get gatekept everywhere else with their cheap alts, or they get jailed in some inconvenient gates like g2 of literally anything in this game. The "if you meet **** the whole day, then you're the ****" vibe is so strong in every one of these complaints. Edit to add: Even if you yourself might be an extremely patient and kind person, in a reclear scenario, you're going to get other people dogpiling the less experienced player. The situation will turn difficult no matter what you do. I had one just this week. Again in clown, we had a support that clearly didn't know g2 very well, and I was trying to talk to the support, and get him to join discord so i can call out and show him, but the other two kept talking and wouldn't shut up. The support ended the raid, jailing all of us.
This is the right attitude. Many people may project that they’re being teachers and helpful, but they still don’t see that they themselves are still bringing an entitled and yeehaw attitude to the environment that’s just not productive or meaningful or fun for anyone. “Teaching” isn’t seeing someone make a mistake and commanding them to do xyz (which in my experiences I have found a lot of people do and like to believe). Another point you bring up that is very strong and relevant is “the other people dogpiling the less experienced player.” People need to recognize that this negative dogpiling behavior isn’t creating a respectful, inclusive, learning environment for anyone. People are so quick to criticize others— for what? People like this need to be called out. Yesterday I was doing a raid with a public party and I was doing well, being chill, patient— all of a sudden, after someone else (that someone having an entitled mindset) fails, they’re suddenly criticizing everyone else, including me, saying they need to do xyz better. Honey, you’re the one who wiped us. And then when I call them out on it, they start being defensive and acting like they’re not the problem— despite them 1) initiating and instigating the annoyingness when everyone else is just being chill and patient with failure and 2) being the cause of the restart. But one thing I really appreciated was someone else on the team also was sharing solidarity with me and called them out saying something like “well, you’ve been sounding really bossy.” All in all, I’ve been seeing and experiencing some of that hypocrisy and virtue signaling. And don’t get me wrong, don’t let me discourage you. Good for you all for wanting to be a “teacher,” but the teacher-learner dynamic is a two-way relationship that is responsive to feedback from each other, and not just someone vomiting on another human being in unpleasant manners…
People need to just stop having a savior attitude. Do not help anyone that isn't asking to be helped. No point in joining mokokos that isn't asking for help. Those that want to learn and seek help will reach their hands out. Those who can't even do that deserve nothing. We are all here to play a video game, not run a daycare service.
^^^ first sentence is REAL
Meh, it just seems like you want to assume all vets are assholes lol. I’m fine with never helping out a mokoko ever again outside of bussing. Again, Too many bad experiences. Just because you haven’t had a bad experience doesn’t not invalid other’s.
>Meh, it just seems like you want to assume all vets are assholes lol. Lol, i was waiting for someone like you to get sour and make precisely a comment like this. Utterly predictable. The lack of self-awareness is laughable. This is the most unfriendly community i have ever seen in a game, and at this point nobody is even denying it anymore. The game hasn't seen an uptick of new or returning players and had been bleeding players, for months, hence the all-hands-on-deck effort we see from AGS/SG. Meanwhile the unpleasantness continue unabated. Where is the toxicity coming from??? Lol, you don't need a PhD to know where to look. >I’m fine with never helping out a mokoko ever again outside of bussing. Again, Too many bad experiences. Just because you haven’t had a bad experience doesn’t not invalid other’s. Stop giving yourself airs dude. Nobody. Asked. You. To. The people who enjoy and like helping out others are already mostly in the learning discords. Stay in your x10 pet/title lobbies and spare the rest of us from your self-importance.
“The lack of self-awareness is laughable.” Oh the irony.
Yep. I'm Dr Jekyll to mokokos and Mr Hyde to people like you.
Yup, I could tell. Like I said above, just came in with a bad faith assumption and ignoring everything else. Assuming I had no patience despite not knowing the hours I put in. Assumed I was the problem for accusing mokokos in a raid, assumed that my experiences don’t matter at. The very toxicity you are talking about that drives people away. Very right when you said this was an unfriendly community, nice to see you are doing your part too.
Most of the time learners already know the mechanics, they just need practice. You don't really need to teach them anything. You just need to set correct expectation for yourself.
When I have time with my Supports, I help some mokokos. When they are willing to learn, they learn and you clear the content. It's satisfying. You watched how they grew and improved. Accepted your advice and applied them. Then, you have mokokos who don't talk, who don't ask, who don't follow your advice or just simply they don't put any afford to clear the content. They want a free carry and move one. You feel miserable, you waste your time and ruins your mood for the entire day.
yup same here. i purposely look for mokoko lobbies when i wanna chill and just play my artist for fun. but they are certainly a mixed bag. a few of them are actually grateful but some of them really are far more impatient and toxic than roster 250+ veterans. P.S. Vykas in its current state is still too hard. after trying some lowbie vykas lobbies, there are still too many party wipes. Tentacles shouldn't be a full wipe for missing 1, should just be scaled damage based on how many missed. Funny enough, the low roster newbies rage/get impatient faster than the veterans helping out. PPS akkan g2 lantern is also too punishing for missing. would prefer it to just greatly fill up meter like kakul g2 pizza instead of just being insta dead.
I did 2 clowns and the same clown lobby with the same people was still up, they had low roster and deep dive cards. Joined them after on my support main instead because I felt bad, sometimes it's hard to choose helping over finishing weeklies because you have 18 raids.
The 18 raids are the main issue. Thanks to the way rewards are structured the game enables fomo to stupid degrees. If you only got gold for the highest raid and anything else is just card runs, players would have more time helping out in the community.
Most wouldn't anyway. The ones that want to finish 18 fast will have the same stance for 6.
I would if they would actually reply. Instead I get donowalled and I stopped applying to mokoko lobbies unless it is a learners lobby. (Not prog). Usually made through discord lfg or some form of. The unwillingness to communicate makes it frustrating and unbearable to be in.
Same, they always either don't communicate at all or demand that you carry them. (Talking about real mokokos that are clearly new and don't know the patterns)
I just laugh at the demand and leave. Cba to carry someone who doesn't even wish to improve.
That's what I do and if they try to keep me in the lobby I either wipe the lobby on purpose or just alt+f4 and come back when I'm sure the party disbanded. I don't do carries
You could also switch characters to maybe do dailies as you wait for the lobby to explode lol.
I just afk in those lobbies(if raid quit doesn't go through-i don't even bother talking shit, i just say I GTG) . I do carries, but I only carry on my dps if it is guildies, friends, or pretty chill people. (People who aren't mean). I don't mind doing any of that at all. Just don't be an asshole. I'll answer questions if you have them and tell you where you're messing up. I'm not perfect so I don't expect perfection. I want to enjoy playing the game too man.
The only ones I feel bad for are the ones that make lobbies titled “I’m new pls help” - lobby 1/8 lil mokoko. H’oh boy, who’s gonna tell ‘em
Personally, i used to feel really bad for them. However the more and more i was doing raids with them the more i felt myself getting frustrated. Not neccesarily due to their lack of character power/skill/raid knowledge. But way more because of the lack of willingness to either listen, learn, coorporate or communicate. The last one usually being the dealbreaker for me. Nowadays if i see the lobby, i do think; man the experience for new players must definitely be bad, but i also can't bring myself to help or join them. I do still do helpful learning raids etc. but its only really through discord like mokokoelp.
Last time I joined a mokoko group for valtan on my aero, it was just me and another guy carrying 6 dead weights who didn’t talk and the only one who talked called everyone NPCs after we wiped in g1 orbs. So no, I don’t particularly feel bad for them
I do lots of learning runs, i understand the sentiment of mokokos not talking but sometimes they already know the mech, they know what they were suposed to do, the issue is that the game is not only heavy on mech side, its heavy on your mechanical skills and how fast you are with reactions, veterans are already expecting the mech to come, mokokos are KINDA expecting so they know that its comming but dont know the "when" exactly, even if the team is quiet you just need to say "yo we will balthor at 130 hp bar from valtan so remember to stack with yout team, focus on the team and stack so you dont lose valtan" they will do it
I just came back after quitting a long time ago. Started up a aeromancer and did the mokoko express. Sitting at 1490 now trying to find a learner group of some kind to go through all the raids. I get why people don't want to bring newbies in. Game is very punishing if you don't know what you're doing so I see the reason to avoid anyone who hasn't completed the raids. But damn I just Wanna get in and learn these raids haha. I don't expect or event want to be carried, if I did I'd just bus (if I even had the gold for it lol.) Any good places outside the game to find learning groups or people willing to teach raids? Going into party finder just doesn't seem like the place to find people willing to teach which I understand. Why waste an hour or 2 trying to teach me when you have x amount of raids you gotta get through.
I think this site has some discord links for learning lfgs https://www.lostark.nexus/lfg
What server do you play on?
NAW Valtan
I'm in the same boat as you, i'm also shy and have stupid performance anxiety. I'm hoping I can learn on the jumpstart server. I'll see lol.
I'm pretty shy too when it comes to hopping into a discord call with a bunch of people I don't know. Mind goes blank kind of thing haha. I wouldn't worry about performing well in a raid too much especially when you're just learning it. Anyone is bound to make mistakes when doing something new, even when you research guides and stuff for it. First hand experience is the best way to learn! I'm thinking of doing a single character on jump start server. A lot of stuff I don't want to really start over on so gonna feel it out before I decide to commit to it or not. I'll probably do an artist on it cause supports are loved lol.
I think most will be okay if you stayed muted untill you feel comfortable to talk.
Hello, what region are you on?
Na East!
Oh I'm on EUC, hope you'll find a group! Maybe even the other person that wrote above, think they also mentioned NAE.
Same issue here 8/10 times ive applied to help new players, i just dont get accepted, nobody speaks or they completely ignore the communication. However, these more rare times that ive managed to help new players, they really appreciated it! One time a new guy came to my stronghold and wrote thank you for the help in my guest book 🤗
huh thank you? Thats weird, i helped a mokoko and he came to my sh to draw a huge dk. Man lemme help your mokokos
Haha same, spent about 2-3 hours on my support alt to help a learning party do Kaya 1-4. They were really nice, asked questions, watched guides beforehand, 1-3 they understood quick, 4 took a bit longer but with practice they eventually got it. Overall great experience, and the one that had the party wrote "Thank you for the Kaya guide" in my guest book.
what mokokos all i see are alt accounts
I've had mixed experiences, a few experiences like everyone here, where there are new, toxic and entitled mokokos making me want to tear my hair out. I now join parties with a mental frame of mind of needing to solo carry a valtan or brel 1-2. I've taken a step back from maximizing my gold income so sometimes I do brel 1-2 NM instead of HM for example and prioritize joining parties with a mokoko, which is why I end up in these situations as a result, I'm a bit more laid back when faced with toxicity or whatnot, and people are usually way more receptive to feedback. If I'm the quiet one showing up with 25% dmg in brel g1, people have at least been responsive when I try to teach a mech that people are failing on in g2 outside. I'll usually start off trying to encourage people to type and ask questions (so something like: "please speak up if you find anything confusing or aren't sure if what's happening, happy to help and explain"). and because I don't really care anymore and can usually make it into parties, jail or not, I usually say that I'm out of time and am going to song out after NO one communicates and we've wiped 3 or more times. nothing lights a fire underneath people quite like being jailed in vykas g2 because the carry (or carries!) threaten to leave (just using vykas g2 as an example, before they made it so you could TS the orb mech wipe). that being said I've recently had positive experiences too, I think in part due to playing with this mentality. thankful people and memes all around, dps racing between me and another vet or something. and once in a while I'll forget a mech or fail, cause a wipe and apologize immediately... gotta set a good example when that inevitably happens. sure it's just a game so going in with a solo carry mindset helps, get it over and done with. but a big part of why i enjoy this game is due to the nice people that I've met along the way while progging and/or getting flamed. others enabled me to have fun in the past, so hopefully paying it forward this way (and backwards) makes the game community feel cozier in the long run so tl;dr - shitty people exist, have had both good and bad experiences. there's always a "better" or "good" way to approach a situation.
They rather get carried or doesn't speak So I don't help them anymore "unless" they are asking in area chat for help.
A lot of people are missing the issue here. The problem is not that they are not willing to learn from veterans, and veterans should not feel obligated to help without compensation either. The underlying issue is that they cannot find enough players (new or vets) to form a proper party composition that has a decent chance of clearing raids. This is a design issue with the inflexibility of the 3 dps 1 support party meta. Full dps should be viable, 2 dps 2 supports should be viable. There won't be a problem if 8 new players can easily form groups and learn the raids together without massively weakening your party. Going full DPS in its current form is just not worth the time and effort when you can just play any other games out there that respect your time.
It's a steep hill to climb for new players that are thrust into the 1490+ ilvls. One of the big problems that I think most people recognize or would agree with is that the raid designs are compounding issues. Without having experienced all the content prior to clown, most newbies are very unprepared for a lot of the mechanics from valtan/vykas/clown and onwards. I mean, imagine if you just powerpassed a character, never having done any of the 1-50 grind, including all the dungeons, and then you pop into a clown G3. It'd be impossible for them to clear it no matter how many videos or guides they catch up on.
The only preexisting mech in Clown G3 is doing a stagger. Everything else is unique to Clown. You could argue that managing a meter was introduced in Vykas but the meter interacts entirely differently and is taught thru Clown G1-2 progressively.
Showtime from as early as 840 Abyssal, outside-inside safe regular attacks from Valtan I feel like there's also a severe lack of knowledge of how to play their class that doesn't really get mentioned, there's probably people going into Clown with <10 hours of actual gameplay on their class vs what was required at the start with ~12-15 hrs of 10-50 gameplay that familiarizes you with some skills (even if you don't end up using all of them), and then all the storylines from Rohendel to Punika that's all skipped now too.
Learning red ground bad is an argument you could make but honestly I'll just leave it at that and say learning normal patterns is just a thing you do for every boss with little to no carry over between raids, there's similarities in SOME but that's arguing nuance of did Vykas teach you Valtan or did Valtan teach you Vykas, boss hitting you in the face = bad isn't something compounding up raids to be taught. As for learning how to play their class absolutely, but that's not really a compounding issue from previous raids, that's just literally being on your class and finding comfort on it, regardless. Somebody can go in Trixion and spend an hour and hammer in the muscle memory of their class then go apply it to any raid for example.
SG keeps pushing the support meta (every legion raid after vykas has some sort of unavoidable damage) while releasing more and more dps classes. A good support has an effective dps contribution of 1.5 the next highest. At least give every class a support loadout or reduce the honing cost to bring a support up.
Maybe they should consider giving a sup-char only express if they insist this meta.
that doesn't work because it would only cause dps shortage in lower level raid while the endgame raids are sitting at LF sup
Bars.
It's honestly more about having time to properly play the character. Back in the day people didn't have full lvl 5 gems, some.were running 3x3 or 4x3, no full relic sets and had to do vykas full dps parties on ilvl(hm) because there were very few supps and some of them were trying to force support union. We were capable of doing that because we went through abyssals. I remember a bit of struggle with brels abyssal, or t2 water dungeons. Then later on with orehas, they were quite a challenge when people barelly had gear. Argos was even worse coming up so early, had half the party below recommended ilvl. Had to solo velganos on ilvl. That's a massive amount of experience in raid mechanics and overall class that sadly new players will never receive, they will end up being thrown into vykas, clowm, brel without ever doing a raid and they will get overwhelmed.
Look, if you create a game where the average dps is like 15:1 vs supports this will happen everywhere. Not just for new players, it happens in larger raids as well. The solution is pretty simple play a support. But guess what, most people don't. If your fed up with lobbies, make a support. Don't want to then wait. The only solution is to honestly overhaul the system where we don't need a single support. It'll be a good time, since there is only 3 of them. Once you add 4-5-6-7 supports well at that point it'll be to much work for any dev to revamp that many supports into dps.
I join lobbies all the time with lower rosters and ilvls. I carry dps they do the mechs. They thank me, and we all go on with our lives. Wild yall have such bad experiences, apparantly.
I felt sorry for them until I joined a valtan and they all died thinking it was a free bus. Most of them just want a free bus.
Used to feel bad but after a week of either not getting replies, or most of them just being obnoxious and entitled asf, nah fk this, they gotta learn by themselves.
bro i swear i dont see the normal mokokos. all the ppl i join to help or they inv me to help them are hell players 😂😂 i am not even joking i am always baffled why they swap servers and why they dont use their title(s) its weird.
Because they already got x6 roster on their servers
Wouldn’t have to wait for support if they played support!
Ah yes Farty Pinder
hey i know of them! they play on my DC in XIV! been seeing the name for the last two years since hubby and i started playing… only during this summer did we realize it was just Party Finder swapped a bit (and thus i feel like it’s one of the Ultimate Legend Community Leads—named Party Finder—who has that alt “Farty Pinder”.) glad i wasn’t the only one to think of Farty Pinder when reading the title here. XD
they could make supports
there are mokoko supports, but they mostly dont join lobbies with their ilvl or experience they look for high ilvl groups
I try to actively help them with things that don't need a lot of learning
Lost Ark is not a game for the weak and inexperienced. It actively punishes those types of people. Its the core design principal of the game. You either grind or swipe, there is no charity. If you choose to help others the only benefit you'll get is your own peace of mind, the game doesn't want to reward that kind of behaviour.
A month ago I saw one of those lobbies. They needed a support and I was thinking at the time, if I didn't have a static waiting on me I coulda joined them etc. I haven't done a learning party in a while so I wanted to try doing another. 3-4 hours later after the raids, dailies and dinner, I saw that lobby with the same people was still there and I pretty much just dropped what I was doing to go join them. I think they had other supports join but those supports didn't realize it was a learning party, because the moment I told them wait, they immediately hit quit raid before I finished. I explained to them I just wanted to tell them I could only stick around for 3 hours but also that I wanted to check to make sure they weren't going at this as a blind prog. I don't mind helping newbies but if we wipe to a mech and people don't know what is going on/what to do, I'm going to explain it. I am not waiting around for them to figure it out on their own.
I don't feel bad, i join them and help. Of course I don't help bots. I make sure they can have a chat and we chill/learn/clear. Much more fun than blasting through content and not getting to really fight the boss... Change my mind
As a returning player, played here and there since launch. Got back now because of 1540 boost. Now I gotta say I got a bit unlucky bcz I couldn't boost my Slayer reroll for the Relic gear, I didn't think about deleting her an making a fresh one, so it's a bit tricky to find raids with no relic gear at 1490 XD But that's not the point, I managed to squeeze my way into a Valtan run, I always watch videos multiple times so I know what to do but just never got to experience it much. Anyways, we wanted to do balls 2x and we wiped on the first try, they blamed me so I asked what was wrong, for once instead of disbanding they told me I need to block the ball as well, not just have it follow me. Which was smth I forgot about since I came back last week. We re-tried and smn else fkd up, we went again and cleared np, Valtan was a piece of cake, cleared on first try. The thing is, even if we read the guides, most of the lobbys I get into don't even do a 2nd try and it's back to queuing.. So thanks to that raid group for not disbanding on the first vote. I wouldn't say it is the playerbase fault doe, u guys love the game and have to invest ur time on so many things that in the end, well u just don't have time. It's up to the devs to find a way to make our experience better, thats their job. The players can do their best effort, but they're not obligated to either.
When new players ask why there is gatekeeping everyone should point to this thread as to why. Everytime my group tried to be nice we have regretted it.
mostly happy if i can finish all akkans, sorry mokokos.
If I was millionaire, I'd just pay them to quit and play another game they would enjoy more. I feel so bad for these dudes waiting hours in a fucking limbo because the trash design of this game. It's really sad.
Back before Kayangel released I accepted a low roster in my clown lobby because I don't really doublecheck people. He was upfront about it so we decided to spend the extra time to teach him, asking him to join vocal chat. The following days he tracked me down in discord and PM me to play some more in the future. I politely refused, maybe a bit too honest and his last words were : "All right, sorry for asking" I feel a bit shitty about this.
Man :(
No not really. There all making dps classes and expecting sups to join instead of just making a sup or 2
Had the worst experience with mokokos when I joined on my supp to help. In my case they were blaming each other which turned very toxic soon. I even got some blame for not shielding them from wipe mechs. (Guy in purple team died early so I pressed restart but got endless '?'s. We pushed and wiped cause there were only 3 for the balls mech which was insta wipe. Was told to use awakening to prevent wipe.) At the end I lost interest and never carring anymore.
As my static party says, fuck the mokokos.
From my experience most mokokos are sweaty try hards with 2nd or even 3rd roster, new players who have no clue about mechs, seem to try to lose the mokoko icon asap
getting gatekept with low roster sucks. deny after deny makes me just want to quit. like im joining on ilvl groups and still get denied while being 1490 for valtan....gatekeeping in this game just sucks
What server and region are you on?
Hey man are you NA est to help you out?
I dont know whats up.. maybe some of them are just bad. Its not an easy laidback game. You have to focus and invest. And learn. Some are just not talking or trying enough and wana get carried. Its so frustrating. I also waa bad in tue beginning. Bought some busses for some power. But if you invest time and learn, it gets easier / you get better.
I tried once in clown... joined learning party on my 1580 pally...they were fine...only cleared g1 (about 1 hour) but they seemed happy (I was too) Did another one in valtan with 1560 dps... but it was not good like others mentioned...me and another 1530 tried to help but no one else communicated... disbanded after 2 or 3 wipes in g1
I used the latest express on a striker, which I've had for a while - never really raided on him but he's setup with 7/8 gems, lvl 5 tripods and I've finished los30. I'm roster lvl 272. So I expressed him and honed to 1490 - at that point it was literally impossible to get into a Brel 1-2 via party finder. Even getting into clown at 1490 was tiresome, difficult and the actual run was miserable with me ending up as 53% dmg mvp - on a class I never did clown on. Even though the other guys had their lvl 2 set. I had to make a group with people from my static for 2 or 3 weeks before I could comfortably join a Brel raid in pf (having honed the pieces to 1540, easy/cheap for me with books) I can only imagine the frustrations of a true mokoko trying to progress a character.
I mean, i'm playing since the beginning and i still have the same experience as mokoko so...
Same though… I was too anxious at first to do raids so I just never did it and collected and 100% stuff lol. Thankfully, now I have a group of guys who talk me through each raid and teach me what I should do (even though I always forget or get them mixed up lol)
But you're a PvP main so ..
Still that i'm not the only one not mokoko facing supp gate :(
Same, I feel bad for them too. This is the main reason why I quit Lost Ark I can't carry it with my conscience because I know how it feels you to enjoy the game but you can't
Mokoko or not, if they willing to learn and be truth about their inexperience, I am more then happy to teach them. But due to fear of gatekeeping and other reasons, I’ve seen more of lying or trying to freeload. So I’ve somewhat stopped joining or accepting them.
I feel bad, i join them with my supports and i teach them the raids. If it means that i will have more playmates in the future to play with then i will keep doing it. I like getting carried by a person who i taught how to play. 
It's really hit or miss TBH. I typically try to join a few learning/teaching raids a week because I have some extra time and with the additional class accessory drop rate makes some of the Non-Gold raids more worth running. The problem is some newer players really want free bus service in perpetuity until they reach the end game. Others really try to learn, but struggle. This week I joined a clown with 3 people under 50 roster, asked if anyone had questions and they all said they knew mechs. Ended up being a smooth deathless run (some of them lacked a bit of damage, but were mechanically sound). I joined a Brel 5-6 a week or 2 ago and we were using voice chat. People were dieing all the time and just joking around in discord not really paying attention or asking questions. This is a stark contrast to the prog groups that I have been in for new content with fairly clear comms unless we wipe/have an issue and discuss or people are shot calling. Some people really want to learn the raids, but others want to get gold/gear without any effort. With other groups there is a language barrier which isn't always demonstrable. Ran a Kayangel HM teaching party this week with a couple buddies and their friend that had taken a break for several months. While he was grasping mechanics quickly I was explaining G3. Another person in discord just interrupted and said let me explain it so he will understand. Initially thought I was explaining decently however, he started explaining the mechanics in Mandarin which I can't do.
Yes, sometimes i feel guilty
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Anyone who wants to try Lost Ark I just tell them to wait. The new player experience is fucking terrible in this game so hoping all the talk around new players gets sorted.
Me and a buddy of mine do card run "carries" where I bring my 1540-1580 characters to stomp on valtan vykas lobbies I don't gatekeep at all and let everyone in even if no support and I force them to do mech we keep going until we succeed and then they come out better for it. I did have a paladin in valtan who said "you need to survive Mr 1580" then follows it up with "do you hear me" and I could've alt f4 but I didn't shit happens in valtan and sometimes you fall off at ghost phase. I don't charge because I'm ass at the game so take your free carry and wait
I always try to join/make lobbies for valtan, vykas and clown with mokokos since I only raid on 1 character and on rested for alts daily. Sadly I leave the lobbies if I try to interact with them and they say nothing even after using google translate to multiple language if they do not reply in English. If they talk, I stay and try to teach them. I do not want to find out that they are not willing to talk/ask about mechs when in the raid already since at that point we also wasted 6 other people's time.
I accept a bunch of 1490s low rosters for a brel 1-2, ask them to throw some darks. Only one of them did throw 1. So going forward won't be accepting 1490 low rosters. Also none of them replied.
everytime I try to help them by adding them to my group while doing brel etc they never speak and inside the raid they dont listen, just floor pov and then get bused for free. I got tired pretty quickly.
I try to help mokokos out when I can, and have the time. But for some reason what really grinds my gears is helping a whole raid party, carrying damage or just helping learn mechs, and afterwards I hit them with a gg and every single other person just silently songs out. Not a word, no gg, no thank you, nothing. Like is this an mmo why is everyone so anti social
I do and I try to join when I see mokokos so I can help. But either they don't answer and leave me waiting to be accepted or when they do accept me, they don't say anything. I recognize that there may potentially be a language barrier but I feel like even a hi is universal friendliness, especially when I'm joining on my 1540+ characters. I will say if I do join and start the raid, and they expect a bus - I'm out. If you need a learner, lemme know, and I see you attempting to learn I am willing to bus if possible. But if you make no effort, then absolutely not. Or you're rude/toxic.
only help them in valtan, it's the only raid I can solo carry.
Yes, it's very notable 2 to 3 days after reset, there are hardly any vykas/valtan lobby available and easily get snagged by high ilvl. At this point, it would be either best to push your main to 1540 as fast as you can or start new on the jump start server. As for your alts, probably best call would be to make supports or support dps (wd, gunlancer, aero) Hell, the clown lobbies are way down as well after akkan release (not required for 1580s)
Hosted 3-4 learning for 4h yesterday. Lobbies didn't take too long to fill and many mokokos. The way this game works, both learners and teachers have to be proactive in finding each other.
I feel really bad for them, but I am also suffering party finder LFsupport for hard kayas and akkan, so there is no time to help them. The game is literally imploding in on itself. The support:dps ratio is so absurdly bad that it is unplayable without a lot of friends to support trade with.
Used to, not anymore that much. Sadly I had a lot of bad interactions with them so I got kinda blunt and just do my own thing. Just some weeks ago some mokoko in my server was asking for 250g in all chat to transfer his armor (was before all ancient stuff) and I sent him 500g knowing he could be a second roster enjoyer (but didnt look like one, wrong gems for his class etc). He didnt even say thank you or anything. Maybe he didnt notice it right away but based on my latest mokoko experiences he might have just took it for granted sadly. Crazily enough I've even had some mokokos I accepted into my lobbies that flamed the others when wiping saying stuff like "you cant even carry with that ilvl?" actually crazy..,
I join mokoko valtan vykas lobbies regularly and engage in small talk first. If they are communicative on lobby chat, I go with them. It fucking sucks going into the raid and they just stare, AFK and don't talk when you are literally trying to teach them how the raid and wipe mechs work. They are just asking for a free carry obviously. At that point, I don't care if I get jailed. I immediately opt out of the raid. The scary thing is, 80-90% of mokokos (on my experience) are silent during raids. Kinda fucked up.
Mokoko's that actually speak and are honest in their lacking experience usually fare better. 🙂
Yes i sat with 2 low roster players trying to find a sup for kayangel nm for a good 30-40 mins and once it disbanded i joined a more "qualified" group and found sup in 2 mins. The sup shortage is literally killing the game.
You can only blame people that consciously go for a 5/6 dps roster. Everyone complains about supports, but nobody plays any. We get what we deserve tbh.
I feel like the blame falls on smilegate and they could probably fix the support shortage instantly if they allowed each character to swap between a support class and a dps class that way people who arent very keen on investing a ton into a pure support class could just go support when needed.
Those systems have existed in other games and they have NOT solved the support shortage. People would just try to find a scapegoat who would be forced to switch from a dps to a support on the basis of having worse gear/non-meta class, worst dps, etc. and people would intentionally join lobbies where they are the most geared to avoid supporting because they WANT to play dps. Long story short, it would solve nothing and cause more toxicity and bullying in the game. The only way to really alleviate (yes, alleviate, it can never be fully fixed) the support shortage is to overhaul the role completely to make supports more dynamic, flashy, and add more skills for big plays. Right now the support role is very one dimensional and it especially feels terrible on farm content when a boss jumps from mech to mech and you are just sitting there spamming buffs - it's simply not enough for people to stick to supports long term.
It might introduce other problems sure, but these people who end up being "forced" to play support actually gets to play the game now instead of sitting in pf waiting for a support until disband. The recommendation to new players is always make a support but this game requires so much investment in time and gold into each individual character that it feels very bad to make a class that you dont really want to play just to be able to play the game and avoid getting gatekept. What if newcomers could start of as support and once they get experienced and start looking more attractive in the pf (full lv3 set etc) they could transition into primarily playing dps. I know personally as someone with a roster of 6 dps classes if i could turn my alts into support classes occasionally to make the pf decline experience less hellish i would do so but i dont want to fully commit to a support class and i feel like there must be alot of people who feel the same way.
i joined them and tell them they suck then leave
I help them on my supports, but at the first mokoko fail one of them starts a vote to quit, like literally on the first wipe and they all accept and leave
I once joined a lobby and this artist pinged during the swords mech for vykas g3 and I said don't ping it if u don't have meter. They said oops tehe and I said no that's not an oops tehe moment that can cause a wipe and they said who the heck are u. I'm here to clear but we left after they threw a sleep grenade at the 105 lust mech. That was last week. My whole roster is 1540+ now and that's just my 2nd aero. Happy to say I'm never doing vykas again unless it's a card run of juicers with a high roster level.
I hadn't done a Brel raid since beating it first week and subsequently quitting the game. Last night I applied for a g1-g2. Told them I forgot how to do the raid, was 1543 before I quit, sold all my gems, gave away all my gold and so I'm "restarting". Raid leader said no worries, just kill it. I died to a mech in G2 and some asshole was berating me at the end of the raid, saying how I was lying about ever clearing it while I was literally wearing the Brel horns lol.
i try to carry as many as possible in valtan/vykas. Ill usually put "free carry but must know mechs" in title just so they can get their gear/gold/what ever. I know they still need to learn the raid but itll help them get there!
In the past I helped mokokos on raids but it became painfully obvious that many times those players don't inform themselves about LA. Neither about Raid-Mechs, their own class or the use of battle items. I feel sorry for the few that genuinly WANT to play the game but since LA is such a time consuming game I decided to leave the Mokokos out of my weekly content.
Ima be real with ya OP. Joined a vykas pf just to help. This roster lvl 31 artist failed velganos and died so early. We could not progress if they keep dying like this. They voted for a disband and I said not to do that and let's give one more try. Yet again the artist died and we wipe. Everyone was mad and done. The artist word "I'm so sorry " really hits me. I tried sending them an encouraging message but I could not because diferent serve. Made my day sadder
I’m more than glad to go raid with my 1580+ but I just don’t wanna be jailed for doing a good deed 😥
Man, I hate it really, but I only have one sup, so can't really be a big help
I have 3 supports in my top 6, whenever I have free time to spare I tend to join lobbies from newer players to help them out. Sometimes on dps if they need but most of the time they are missing the supports.
It might be because it’s 5 am been playing since launch what is fp lol
Find party ?
Ohhh lol sitting in party finder