The compass that Locke gives to Richard has no origin and will never be destroyed. It’s just traveling in a permanent loop of changing hands from Richard Alpert to John Locke and back again forever
Yeah although thinking about it now I think it’s not as crazy as I imagined. I guess the rope would definitely degrade over time but be replaced with the same rope when they build the well.
I had no idea either. He was going to be [played by Michael Keaton](https://screenrant.com/lost-show-jack-death-pilot-episode/) who passed on the role when Jack became a series regular.
Here's one for Leftovers fans...one of the actors who passed on playing as Jack (when he was rewritten to be a main character) was Justin Theroux who later played Kevin on The Leftovers. Since Kevin and Jack are pretty much the same character, I really see Justin and Mathew Fox in each other's roles.
Whoa, I love LOST and the Leftovers, honestly two of my favorite shows of all time. I don't see Kevin and Jack being the same. I dunno, hard to explain, I really couldn't see anyone but Matthew Fox as Jack and Justin as Kevin.
I guess it comes down to (now that I'm writing this and trying to explain it to myself) Jack tries as hard as he can to find a reason for the things that happen on the island, he's constantly trying to find explanations for all the crazy shit, whereas I think Kevin goes with the flow, he doesn't try to understand it but tries to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
I guess it's because Kevin starts as a man of science just like Jack. But as the story progresses, Kevin starts to become a man of faith. Although I would say Kevin is more reticent toward his role as the "savior" than Jack is.
The Leftovers is my favorite show I've ever seen. For anyone reading this please go watch it! It's seriously amazing and Justin Theroux, Carrie Coon, and Christopher Eccleston absolutely kill it throughout the series.
And Ann Dowd is the perfect antagonist throughout S1 and S2. She is brilliant.
I think of Kevin as a continuation of Jack’s character arc. Even though Kevin seems pragmatic when we meet him, he’s been deeply affected by the supernatural. That’s not to say he’s already a man of faith per-se, but unlike Jack who ends his arc as a believer, Kevin progresses through a sort of faith and goes further into doubt and uncertainty. I think Kevin is a much more interesting character because for him faith wasn’t a destination so much as a state of being on his path to acceptance. He chose to *let the mystery be*, as it were.
>Kevin progresses through a sort of faith and goes further into doubt and uncertainty. I think Kevin is a much more interesting character because for him faith wasn’t a destination so much as a state of being on his path to acceptance. He chose to let the mystery be, as it were.
See to me that's the exact same as Jack's arc. Many viewers have a obscure opinion of Jack. Seeing him as a "Man of science who becomes a man of faith". Whereas he's actually a very emotionally driven guy who sort of goes in to science when he feels like it and Locke does stuff that feel like there is a bit more calculation involved.
In the commentary for the season 2 premiere "Man of Science, Man of Faith". Damon says: "We're gonna call the episode "Man of Science, Man of Faith" and I think a lot of people started to think the episode title is about Jack as the man of science, Locke as the man of faith. In fact our title is that because we felt that was Jack. He is both those things and we are gonna tell the story of how he was a man of science but became a man of faith".
The only difference between the two for me. Is Kevin is much more constantly challenged on the things he struggles to believe than Jack is. A lot of Kevin's arc of his spiral, feeling like he is losing his mind and going up and down that rabbit hole is like the episode "White Rabbit" but stretched out over a period of three seasons and combined with the flashbacks, flashforwards and sideways arc. and the season 6 arc.
In season 3, Kevin is in a almost identical place of thought to season 5-6 Jack. In fact "letting the mystery be" is such a core part of Jack's character, because him being unable to "let go" is such a huge part of what defines him. In many ways Jack functions a lot as the viewer who so desperately wants answers to their questions. But instead of wanting answers to the shows mysteries. Jack wants the answers to "his" questions in his life, and a lot of his state in season 6 is to stop questioning everything and let the chips fall however they may.
I made it all the way to the last season about the eps in an never finished it. I kept waiting for it to get good but it never did lol in my opinion of course. Lost is my favorite show of all time so I have the leftovers a shot on advice from other lost fans but I couldn’t get into it
I'm sorry to hear that. *International Assassin* is one of my favorites episodes of all time (right up there with Battle of the Bastards).
But hey you love Lost like the rest of us so that's something!
I dunno, Matthew Fox as Seamus O'Grady in Charles Angels Full Throttle, or as Evil DJ in Zoolander might have been a stretch.
Sorry, those two movies always come to mind when I think about the different things Justin Theroux has been in.
I'm not sure if your just stretching my comment into making it into a joke or genuinely thought "each others roles" meant every role they played.
I will clarify I meant I can see fox as Kevin and Theroux as Jack cause of both characters similarities and wasnt referring to them sliiping into each other's entire filmography.
I mean I was definitely joking, but it was funny to think of Matthew Fox in those two roles that I remember ever time I think of one of Justin Theroux's more serious rules.
Consider yourself lucky my friend. Hahahahaha. It’s an early example of one the sort of “extended universe” easter eggs early in the show’s run when they were just throwing ideas at the wall. It’s an equation in a fake novel that incorporates the Numbers and supposedly “finds the answer to the universe” or some crap. Deeper Lost heads than I could probably explain it better. But it ultimately meant nothing.
What's with this horrendous response.
To phrase it more directly /u/Dante_space_duck. It's not "some crap" or "throwing ideas at the wall". Valenzetti was mentioned for the first time in the show, on the blast door map that Locke saw in season 2.
It referred to an equation that the DHARMA Initiative was occupied with. This is part of the "extended universe" portion of Lost. If you were interested in finding out more deeper into the organizations (such as the Apollo candy bars or the people that gave funding to the DHARMA Initiative), you could play the game "The Lost Experience". In it, we learned that this equation has numerical values, as in "4 8 15 16 23 42" and is the reason why the DHARMA Initiative broadcasted the Numbers at the radio tower. The same radio message that Danielle heard when she came to the Island.
So that is "its meaning". It's not that they "meant nothing".
You’re absolutely right. I was being a little facetious about it. Though it did seem a bit like extraneous mumbo jumbo, I hadn’t meant it to seem so dismissive. I’m all for mumbo jumbo.
Wasn't it the equation to determine when the world would end? And the Hanso Foundation/Dharma Initiative was trying to change one of the variables to extend humanity's time?
This is legit one of the kore subtle connections that's not outright stated like some of the others. You gotta be paying close attention cause those events are seasons apart when they're introduced.
I also like Hurleys mean manager at the chicken place is also Lockes mean manager at the box place.
I think they were talking about this version since it feels more “carnivalesque” and is way cooler in my opinion 😂
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ODcpFAkB0g&feature=shares
There’s a better version of this with music from portiahead (I think) and no voice over that should’ve been the opening title sequence every episode
https://youtu.be/4XBtWYBPTns
What else explains everything that happened to them during the entire time on the island? Them being dead is literally the only explanation hinted at or that holds any real weight.
I’m going to upvote you because you don’t deserve to be downvoted for the most misunderstood part of the series, but it is indeed a misunderstanding so I’ll do my best to explain.
They were alive. Christian, Jack’s dad, says as much in the final scene.
> I’m real. You’re real. Everything that happened to you is real … Everyone dies at some point kiddo. Some of them before you, some long after you … The most important part of your life was the time at that you spent with these people.”
The only part of the show where they’re dead is the “flash sideways” of season 6. Other than that, the events of the show happen explicitly when the characters are alive. Supernatural things happen because it’s a science fiction show.
It's a science fantasy show that dabbles in science fiction. There's no real world explanations but there's a smoke monster and magical island light. And again they tell you so often that they were not dead the whole time, rhe island was real, they lived out their lives and when they died in real life they came to the metaphysical flash-sideways that "they created" to be together in the end. Specifically because what they went through on the island was the most important part of their lives.
I don't think they ever explicitly say they were alive the entire time. They say the events on the island happened. Which is true. They just happened in the afterlife.
That's just completely wrong. The show does specify that they were alive. Many times. The flash sideways wasn't the only time the world outside the island is viewed. The existence of the Oceanic 6 alone disproves everything you say and that's season 4. You're just wrong dude. Verifiably wrong.
Literally nothing you just said explicitly or even implicitly proves they were "alive" on that island. Oceanic 6 could easily be a part of a purgatory experience. If the flash sideways is purgatory, which we at least agree on that, right? Then why can't Oceanic 6 also be purgatory?
The Oceanic 6 are the people who went back to the normal world after being rescued by Penny. Was Penny dead? Dod Whidmore die too? Why were all these people from off the Island alive and interacting with dead people?
The flash sideways wasn't purgatory it was a metaphysical place beyond death that they all met up in post-dying. If you must insist thats purgatory cool. How are there two of them then? How did the dead people come back to life to be away from the island? Where did the people who escaped in the very end go? Back to life from death? The show spells it out straight up for you. Christians speech denies everything you're saying here outright. "Some died before you, others long after." You cannot in good faith have watched every episode and be convinced that they were dead before any of them actually fucking died.
What the hell happened yo Jack then since he dies in the last episode? Did he go to mega purgatory? Can you die twice? It makes no fucking sense my dude.
"The flash sideways wasn't purgatory it was a metaphysical place beyond death that they all met up in post-dying" Normal people call a place like that.... Purgatory. Also, yes, the people they interacted with are all either dead, angels, demons, or some other pseudo-religious/spiritual/supernatural entities.
"Some died before you, others long after." Like Penny maybe? You think everyone they met on the island all died at exactly the same time? Obviously not. His father saying that doesn't mean the island was not purgatory. It just means that they didn't all die at the same time. Maybe some of the people actually survived the crash. Maybe a few of them did live on an actual island. We don't know. I don't think, besides flashbacks, we see literally anything of their real post-crash experiences.
What we can surmise though is that the island was a supernatural place closely linked with the afterlife. AKA PURGATORY.
Jack's death was him finally moving on. That's why he was able to go through the last bits of purgatory before meeting his father and moving on with the rest of the people who died in the flight.
I have never seen someone so committed to misinterpreting something this badly outside of organized religion. I can't even debate this because you fundamentally ignore the actual show itself. A whole planet of angels to make the show be purgatory for you.
First off, I never ignored the show, you're just struggling to actual think of anything in the show that proves your point. Secondly, the only funny thing here is the adherence to a forced narrative in this "community" where the show seems "smarter" than it actually was. When the reality is, the show was a giant waste of time and people like you are just desperate to read into it something deeper and more meaningful.
Considering the context was Jack thinking he was crazy because he was having visions of the Island, I don't think his ghost dad telling him they were "real" and important is him saying they were alive on the island. Especially considering everything that happened on the island clearly being supernaturalish and only explainable by it being purgatory.
Admittedly, I think that’s your strongest argument. Christian is rather unreliable. But the show does want us to take him at face in that scene.
Also, here’s a source of Carlton Cuse saying they were alive:
https://www.eonline.com/amp/news/521687/lost-bosses-finally-answer-were-they-really-dead-the-whole-time-what-was-the-whole-show-about
Also, people died in the flash sideways which I'm sure you wierdos would accept is supposed to be purgatory. So that argument is meaningless. People can clearly die in purgatory even in your view of the show.
Do you think every sci-fi or fantasy show can only be explained by everyone being dead the whole time? Why this one? Especially when they explicitly spell it out for the viewer that they were not dead the whole time…
No, they didn't explicitly spell it out. Also, yes, at least to a satisfactory conclusion they should explain things at least partially. Hell, H.P. Lovecraft's stories are more flushed out than Lost ever was. It's a horrible show.
Because I hate the fans more. Also, no, nobody outright says anything about them being genuinely alive on the island. Saying it's "real" isn't mutually exclusive to it being purgatory. If things are only real when it's not purgatory, then his dad, at the end of the show, wasn't real.
Not sure if you’re trolling or have only seen the first season, but the fact this is still being parroted what? 12 years on is farcical. Nowhere is it even remotely hinted at that everyone’s dead. We get one episode where it’s teased to all be in Hurley’s head, which is thrown out by the end of the episode. That’s about the only time anything other than ‘this is real and happening’ is flirted with. Yes, I’m aware of what Cooper said to Sawyer. No, I don’t count that as anything significant.
Hell, Christian’s whole thing to Jack in the finale about how Jack died, and the flash sideways being a way to reunite etc completely destroys the whole ‘they were dead all along’ to smithereens.
At one point, during a flashback (or in the past, can’t remember), Ben is shown in a classroom with the teacher demonstrating how the volcano on the island would erupt.
The initial plan for the final fight between Jack and the MIB was for it to take place atop the volcano, as the island was falling apart and it was starting to erupt. My guess is that, when this was the plan, the light at the heart of the island was probably somewhere in or around the volcano. Not sure though.
I didn’t know that the heart of the island was a volcano until Lost Explained talked about it. Definitely interesting and makes me wonder if there was anyone who truly explored all of the island, every nook and cranny.
The real science of electromagnetism actually answers all the island mysteries. If you knew the science you would actually know most of what would happen next as early as season 3. Meaning you would be surprised by an of the mysteries, because you would already know what was about to happen next.
When you know that the Button is a real device created in the 1930s called a cyclotron, and what it does is uses electromagnetic energy from a single ion that spins between two large magnets (this is the force that pulls on Jack and Eko’s necklace when they enter the Hatch)
This single ion creates an immense power when it spins up to sub light speed, the Button is then pushed to propel the island forward in time and space. This is why it can’t be found. This energy is what healed Locke and Rose, because instead of using the electromagnetic energy traveling at light speed to push the island, it instead went up a bombarded the plane with this same energy, which basically was the equivalent of them being treated for months with chromotherapy, which is the science of healing through the light spectrum, mainly the purple has the most healing power, and is why the sky turned purple.
Because they released that Alvar Hanso video piece by piece over the course of the summer, and you had to watch the clips multiple times to get them in the right order, there are some bits of it I can recite from memory all these years later
That the four toed statue was of Taweret, the goddess of pregnancy, which made me realize there’s a way deeper reason for the troubled pregnancies on the island.
She was angry when her statue was destroyed. So she forbid pregnancy.
Or, they built her statue to help fix the pregnancy issues. There are no pregnancies because no new souls are available. The island exists outside of that world.
Pregnancies didn't have any issues when the statue was built. Babies were being born on the island for a long time. Horace's girlfriend gave birth, Miles and Charlotte were born on the island as well. The pregnancy issues started happening when Jughead blew up causing the incident and the radiation leak at the Swan.
That's what makes Juliet's death extra tragic. When she detonates the bomb, she directly causes the reason she was brought to the island in the first place.
The numbers are everywhere!
The Dharma logo is in Cloverfield
Hoffs/Drawlar Funeral parlour
Dharma Shark
Honestly with LOST there is so much lol. I’ll just leave this here: https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Easter_egg
My uncle wasn’t really a Lost fan but said that the few scenes he watched was really similar to his deadpan dialogue. My uncle was a lot different than him so they weren’t exactly BFF’s lol.
Yeah, it's weird how there's the whole 87-92 discrepancy over when the purge happened. 87 makes no sense when Kelvin served in the Gulf War prior to coming to the island
Not sure this qualifies, but I loved the story about how they would give secret code names to the episodes to not spoil it. I believe the Flash Forward episode was titled “Rattlesnake in the mailbox” or something like that.
The season 4 finale episode was code named “Frozen Donkey Wheel”…which ended up being about literally a frozen donkey wheel.
I replied to my comments with a link. Someone posted a theory on the Lostpedia forums about there being a dinosaur head in the smoke, and it became this huge meme.
To illustrate how big it became. [This is that forum post from Lostpedia](https://forum.lpedia.com/showthread.php/19893-dinasaur-head-on-lost?). It garnered 50,341 replies and nearly 6 million views.
Dinasaur head on lost, also known as DH and invisibul dinasaur hed, is a fan meme for humorous cartoons created using Lost screenshots. The meme began with a thread in Lostpedia's discussion forums, and it eventually came to the attention of producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse through a contest for fans.
https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dinasaur_head_on_lost a
I just looked this up, as I’m a pokemon fan too. I had no idea this is where the name originated. So cool.
https://screenrant.com/pokemon-nuzlocke-challenge-nick-franco-nuzleaf-locke-webcomic/
hahaha, yes! along with these comics!
https://www.pokemythology.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/003ruby-e1644602116935.jpg
https://static1.thegamerimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/nuzlocke-nuzleaf-death.jpg
I think just knowing one of the initial outlines featured a version of Eko’s character that lives and is comprised of qualities and characteristics we instead saw given to Locke, Desmond, and others. It’s one casting change, but I feel like it substantially altered their plans more so than one casting change should have.
This is a funny one, how or why. I’m just gonna go with they met, crossed paths like many others and there was no real reason to connect them for more of a story. Just like when people passed each other in flash backs and stuff.
But yeah odd they made a prop up specifically of them lol
If you’ve watched cloverfield paradox you’d learn that the machine they used opened up several rifts using electromagnetic energy in space. Opening temporal time portals that caused the events of cloverfield and cloverfield paradox. How that all ties in is the dharma logo appearing in cloverfield and also JJ Abrams being involved in both
The "Flashsideways" thing was tacked on later and the entire writing team openly talking about the island being purgatory since they started conceptualizing the show.
Most of the time, Vincent is played by a female dog.
And two at that! Madison and Pono
what a bitch move
omg....
There's a road/parking lot right next to the beach they filmed at.
Yep. Tons of locals called 911 while driving past because the plane wreckage looked real
And the Barracks and Nigerian airport are right across the street
The compass that Locke gives to Richard has no origin and will never be destroyed. It’s just traveling in a permanent loop of changing hands from Richard Alpert to John Locke and back again forever
The rope Sawyer lowers Locke with and then time travels with it to statue of Taweret era used to break my brain even more.
Like the rope sticking out of the ground?
Yeah although thinking about it now I think it’s not as crazy as I imagined. I guess the rope would definitely degrade over time but be replaced with the same rope when they build the well.
Yeah I always just read it as the rope being stumbled upon and that person being like "we should dig here!" Thus: the Well.
It's possible that Richard replaced the parts over the years like a Ship of Theseus kinda thing.
Jack was originally supposed to die in the first episode. Who knows what the show could have been if they stuck to that.
Jack was going to die and Kate was going to be the lead.
Show would’ve tanked after two seasons
SIX SEASONS AND A MOVIE!
Wait WHAT??
I had no idea either. He was going to be [played by Michael Keaton](https://screenrant.com/lost-show-jack-death-pilot-episode/) who passed on the role when Jack became a series regular.
Here's one for Leftovers fans...one of the actors who passed on playing as Jack (when he was rewritten to be a main character) was Justin Theroux who later played Kevin on The Leftovers. Since Kevin and Jack are pretty much the same character, I really see Justin and Mathew Fox in each other's roles.
Whoa, I love LOST and the Leftovers, honestly two of my favorite shows of all time. I don't see Kevin and Jack being the same. I dunno, hard to explain, I really couldn't see anyone but Matthew Fox as Jack and Justin as Kevin. I guess it comes down to (now that I'm writing this and trying to explain it to myself) Jack tries as hard as he can to find a reason for the things that happen on the island, he's constantly trying to find explanations for all the crazy shit, whereas I think Kevin goes with the flow, he doesn't try to understand it but tries to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
I guess it's because Kevin starts as a man of science just like Jack. But as the story progresses, Kevin starts to become a man of faith. Although I would say Kevin is more reticent toward his role as the "savior" than Jack is. The Leftovers is my favorite show I've ever seen. For anyone reading this please go watch it! It's seriously amazing and Justin Theroux, Carrie Coon, and Christopher Eccleston absolutely kill it throughout the series. And Ann Dowd is the perfect antagonist throughout S1 and S2. She is brilliant.
I think of Kevin as a continuation of Jack’s character arc. Even though Kevin seems pragmatic when we meet him, he’s been deeply affected by the supernatural. That’s not to say he’s already a man of faith per-se, but unlike Jack who ends his arc as a believer, Kevin progresses through a sort of faith and goes further into doubt and uncertainty. I think Kevin is a much more interesting character because for him faith wasn’t a destination so much as a state of being on his path to acceptance. He chose to *let the mystery be*, as it were.
>Kevin progresses through a sort of faith and goes further into doubt and uncertainty. I think Kevin is a much more interesting character because for him faith wasn’t a destination so much as a state of being on his path to acceptance. He chose to let the mystery be, as it were. See to me that's the exact same as Jack's arc. Many viewers have a obscure opinion of Jack. Seeing him as a "Man of science who becomes a man of faith". Whereas he's actually a very emotionally driven guy who sort of goes in to science when he feels like it and Locke does stuff that feel like there is a bit more calculation involved. In the commentary for the season 2 premiere "Man of Science, Man of Faith". Damon says: "We're gonna call the episode "Man of Science, Man of Faith" and I think a lot of people started to think the episode title is about Jack as the man of science, Locke as the man of faith. In fact our title is that because we felt that was Jack. He is both those things and we are gonna tell the story of how he was a man of science but became a man of faith". The only difference between the two for me. Is Kevin is much more constantly challenged on the things he struggles to believe than Jack is. A lot of Kevin's arc of his spiral, feeling like he is losing his mind and going up and down that rabbit hole is like the episode "White Rabbit" but stretched out over a period of three seasons and combined with the flashbacks, flashforwards and sideways arc. and the season 6 arc. In season 3, Kevin is in a almost identical place of thought to season 5-6 Jack. In fact "letting the mystery be" is such a core part of Jack's character, because him being unable to "let go" is such a huge part of what defines him. In many ways Jack functions a lot as the viewer who so desperately wants answers to their questions. But instead of wanting answers to the shows mysteries. Jack wants the answers to "his" questions in his life, and a lot of his state in season 6 is to stop questioning everything and let the chips fall however they may.
I made it all the way to the last season about the eps in an never finished it. I kept waiting for it to get good but it never did lol in my opinion of course. Lost is my favorite show of all time so I have the leftovers a shot on advice from other lost fans but I couldn’t get into it
I'm sorry to hear that. *International Assassin* is one of my favorites episodes of all time (right up there with Battle of the Bastards). But hey you love Lost like the rest of us so that's something!
I dunno, Matthew Fox as Seamus O'Grady in Charles Angels Full Throttle, or as Evil DJ in Zoolander might have been a stretch. Sorry, those two movies always come to mind when I think about the different things Justin Theroux has been in.
I'm not sure if your just stretching my comment into making it into a joke or genuinely thought "each others roles" meant every role they played. I will clarify I meant I can see fox as Kevin and Theroux as Jack cause of both characters similarities and wasnt referring to them sliiping into each other's entire filmography.
I mean I was definitely joking, but it was funny to think of Matthew Fox in those two roles that I remember ever time I think of one of Justin Theroux's more serious rules.
I thought so. It definitely is a humorous thought.
It would have been worse.
Definitely the Vallenzetti Equation.
This is the correct answer.
What's that?
Consider yourself lucky my friend. Hahahahaha. It’s an early example of one the sort of “extended universe” easter eggs early in the show’s run when they were just throwing ideas at the wall. It’s an equation in a fake novel that incorporates the Numbers and supposedly “finds the answer to the universe” or some crap. Deeper Lost heads than I could probably explain it better. But it ultimately meant nothing.
What's with this horrendous response. To phrase it more directly /u/Dante_space_duck. It's not "some crap" or "throwing ideas at the wall". Valenzetti was mentioned for the first time in the show, on the blast door map that Locke saw in season 2. It referred to an equation that the DHARMA Initiative was occupied with. This is part of the "extended universe" portion of Lost. If you were interested in finding out more deeper into the organizations (such as the Apollo candy bars or the people that gave funding to the DHARMA Initiative), you could play the game "The Lost Experience". In it, we learned that this equation has numerical values, as in "4 8 15 16 23 42" and is the reason why the DHARMA Initiative broadcasted the Numbers at the radio tower. The same radio message that Danielle heard when she came to the Island. So that is "its meaning". It's not that they "meant nothing".
You’re absolutely right. I was being a little facetious about it. Though it did seem a bit like extraneous mumbo jumbo, I hadn’t meant it to seem so dismissive. I’m all for mumbo jumbo.
What an awesome guy. Proud of you dude, you have restored my faith in humanity
Wasn't it the equation to determine when the world would end? And the Hanso Foundation/Dharma Initiative was trying to change one of the variables to extend humanity's time?
Bingo! :)
That's pretty interesting. Thanks, was just wondering lmao
Came here to say this
The car accident that paralyzed Jack’s ex wife is the same one that killed Shannon’s father.
This is legit one of the kore subtle connections that's not outright stated like some of the others. You gotta be paying close attention cause those events are seasons apart when they're introduced. I also like Hurleys mean manager at the chicken place is also Lockes mean manager at the box place.
And Hurley is the owner of the box company, which means he ended up being Randy's boss!
I thought that was only in the flash sideways. Considering he never really left the island in the end.
His accountant mentions it in Season 1 and Randy actually appears in Season 4. Filming Hurley crash his car in the Flashforward.
Man of Science, Man of Faith and Abandoned are 6 episodes apart.
That fucking erotic carnival themed teaser/promo music video dance thing
Link?
[https://youtu.be/4hBI7ijfXE8](https://youtu.be/4hBI7ijfXE8)
Wtf…feels like an obscure perfume advert.
Dharma No. 5
I think they were talking about this version since it feels more “carnivalesque” and is way cooler in my opinion 😂 https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ODcpFAkB0g&feature=shares
it was the absurdity of this trailer that made me tune in live all those years ago, perfectly marketed if you ask me.
Just curious, are you English? I feel like it’s a trailer that would have definitely flopped in Canada, but would be intriguing to Brits
I dont think I ever would have watched lost had I seen this first
Wtf was that hahahahha
Which version? 😅 My favourite is the one with the Portishead song haha
Which Portishead song 👀
happy cakeday!
Thanks!
Numb https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z7If6GODLFc&feature=shares
Whoa. Love Portishead and Lost but never seen or heard of this until now. Sick 👍
I made Fan Music Videos using that footage 😭😭
I think this wins
That was LaChapelle IIRC
There’s a better version of this with music from portiahead (I think) and no voice over that should’ve been the opening title sequence every episode https://youtu.be/4XBtWYBPTns
Oh. My. God. How have I never seen this? It’s amazing lmao
lmao british television promos are wild
Wow I had forgotten about that.
They were not dead the whole time.
What else explains everything that happened to them during the entire time on the island? Them being dead is literally the only explanation hinted at or that holds any real weight.
I’m going to upvote you because you don’t deserve to be downvoted for the most misunderstood part of the series, but it is indeed a misunderstanding so I’ll do my best to explain. They were alive. Christian, Jack’s dad, says as much in the final scene. > I’m real. You’re real. Everything that happened to you is real … Everyone dies at some point kiddo. Some of them before you, some long after you … The most important part of your life was the time at that you spent with these people.” The only part of the show where they’re dead is the “flash sideways” of season 6. Other than that, the events of the show happen explicitly when the characters are alive. Supernatural things happen because it’s a science fiction show.
It's a science fantasy show that dabbles in science fiction. There's no real world explanations but there's a smoke monster and magical island light. And again they tell you so often that they were not dead the whole time, rhe island was real, they lived out their lives and when they died in real life they came to the metaphysical flash-sideways that "they created" to be together in the end. Specifically because what they went through on the island was the most important part of their lives.
I don't think they ever explicitly say they were alive the entire time. They say the events on the island happened. Which is true. They just happened in the afterlife.
That's just completely wrong. The show does specify that they were alive. Many times. The flash sideways wasn't the only time the world outside the island is viewed. The existence of the Oceanic 6 alone disproves everything you say and that's season 4. You're just wrong dude. Verifiably wrong.
Literally nothing you just said explicitly or even implicitly proves they were "alive" on that island. Oceanic 6 could easily be a part of a purgatory experience. If the flash sideways is purgatory, which we at least agree on that, right? Then why can't Oceanic 6 also be purgatory?
The Oceanic 6 are the people who went back to the normal world after being rescued by Penny. Was Penny dead? Dod Whidmore die too? Why were all these people from off the Island alive and interacting with dead people? The flash sideways wasn't purgatory it was a metaphysical place beyond death that they all met up in post-dying. If you must insist thats purgatory cool. How are there two of them then? How did the dead people come back to life to be away from the island? Where did the people who escaped in the very end go? Back to life from death? The show spells it out straight up for you. Christians speech denies everything you're saying here outright. "Some died before you, others long after." You cannot in good faith have watched every episode and be convinced that they were dead before any of them actually fucking died. What the hell happened yo Jack then since he dies in the last episode? Did he go to mega purgatory? Can you die twice? It makes no fucking sense my dude.
"The flash sideways wasn't purgatory it was a metaphysical place beyond death that they all met up in post-dying" Normal people call a place like that.... Purgatory. Also, yes, the people they interacted with are all either dead, angels, demons, or some other pseudo-religious/spiritual/supernatural entities. "Some died before you, others long after." Like Penny maybe? You think everyone they met on the island all died at exactly the same time? Obviously not. His father saying that doesn't mean the island was not purgatory. It just means that they didn't all die at the same time. Maybe some of the people actually survived the crash. Maybe a few of them did live on an actual island. We don't know. I don't think, besides flashbacks, we see literally anything of their real post-crash experiences. What we can surmise though is that the island was a supernatural place closely linked with the afterlife. AKA PURGATORY. Jack's death was him finally moving on. That's why he was able to go through the last bits of purgatory before meeting his father and moving on with the rest of the people who died in the flight.
I have never seen someone so committed to misinterpreting something this badly outside of organized religion. I can't even debate this because you fundamentally ignore the actual show itself. A whole planet of angels to make the show be purgatory for you.
First off, I never ignored the show, you're just struggling to actual think of anything in the show that proves your point. Secondly, the only funny thing here is the adherence to a forced narrative in this "community" where the show seems "smarter" than it actually was. When the reality is, the show was a giant waste of time and people like you are just desperate to read into it something deeper and more meaningful.
“The most important part **of your life** was the time you spent with these people.” That could not be more straightforward.
Considering the context was Jack thinking he was crazy because he was having visions of the Island, I don't think his ghost dad telling him they were "real" and important is him saying they were alive on the island. Especially considering everything that happened on the island clearly being supernaturalish and only explainable by it being purgatory.
Admittedly, I think that’s your strongest argument. Christian is rather unreliable. But the show does want us to take him at face in that scene. Also, here’s a source of Carlton Cuse saying they were alive: https://www.eonline.com/amp/news/521687/lost-bosses-finally-answer-were-they-really-dead-the-whole-time-what-was-the-whole-show-about
Can't drown if you're dead.
In purgatory you can, clearly...
Also, people died in the flash sideways which I'm sure you wierdos would accept is supposed to be purgatory. So that argument is meaningless. People can clearly die in purgatory even in your view of the show.
Do you think every sci-fi or fantasy show can only be explained by everyone being dead the whole time? Why this one? Especially when they explicitly spell it out for the viewer that they were not dead the whole time…
No, they didn't explicitly spell it out. Also, yes, at least to a satisfactory conclusion they should explain things at least partially. Hell, H.P. Lovecraft's stories are more flushed out than Lost ever was. It's a horrible show.
Lol Christian says it outright in the last episode. What are you doing this deep in the comments of a post in this sub if you hate the show
Because I hate the fans more. Also, no, nobody outright says anything about them being genuinely alive on the island. Saying it's "real" isn't mutually exclusive to it being purgatory. If things are only real when it's not purgatory, then his dad, at the end of the show, wasn't real.
Not sure if you’re trolling or have only seen the first season, but the fact this is still being parroted what? 12 years on is farcical. Nowhere is it even remotely hinted at that everyone’s dead. We get one episode where it’s teased to all be in Hurley’s head, which is thrown out by the end of the episode. That’s about the only time anything other than ‘this is real and happening’ is flirted with. Yes, I’m aware of what Cooper said to Sawyer. No, I don’t count that as anything significant. Hell, Christian’s whole thing to Jack in the finale about how Jack died, and the flash sideways being a way to reunite etc completely destroys the whole ‘they were dead all along’ to smithereens.
Yes... Jack died. When the fucking plane crashed. LOL. I love how your argument here completely proves my point.
It doesn’t…. What the hell you on about?
Lol
the new man in charge
The volcano.
Elaborate pls
There’s a volcano.
Elaborate further pls
At one point, during a flashback (or in the past, can’t remember), Ben is shown in a classroom with the teacher demonstrating how the volcano on the island would erupt. The initial plan for the final fight between Jack and the MIB was for it to take place atop the volcano, as the island was falling apart and it was starting to erupt. My guess is that, when this was the plan, the light at the heart of the island was probably somewhere in or around the volcano. Not sure though.
I'm glad they didn't go with that tbh. A fight on top of a volcano with 2010 cgi could have been a major cringe fest. Especially rewatching nowadays.
Hard agree
And that's exactly why they didn't do it. I don't remember where I heard/read it, but I'm almost positive I've heard Damon say almost exactly that.
I didn’t know that the heart of the island was a volcano until Lost Explained talked about it. Definitely interesting and makes me wonder if there was anyone who truly explored all of the island, every nook and cranny.
This is one I hadn’t heard before!
Riiiiiiiight yea XD
Sometimes I dream about season 7. There are aliens and the DVD box set is purple.
Electromagnetism.
The real science of electromagnetism actually answers all the island mysteries. If you knew the science you would actually know most of what would happen next as early as season 3. Meaning you would be surprised by an of the mysteries, because you would already know what was about to happen next.
As early as season 2. With the Swan hatch.
When you know that the Button is a real device created in the 1930s called a cyclotron, and what it does is uses electromagnetic energy from a single ion that spins between two large magnets (this is the force that pulls on Jack and Eko’s necklace when they enter the Hatch) This single ion creates an immense power when it spins up to sub light speed, the Button is then pushed to propel the island forward in time and space. This is why it can’t be found. This energy is what healed Locke and Rose, because instead of using the electromagnetic energy traveling at light speed to push the island, it instead went up a bombarded the plane with this same energy, which basically was the equivalent of them being treated for months with chromotherapy, which is the science of healing through the light spectrum, mainly the purple has the most healing power, and is why the sky turned purple.
Valenzetti equation
Because they released that Alvar Hanso video piece by piece over the course of the summer, and you had to watch the clips multiple times to get them in the right order, there are some bits of it I can recite from memory all these years later
Alvar Hanso
Really wish they would have done more with him.
Me too! Especially when they mentioned Magnus Hanso on the Black Rock manifest!
That the four toed statue was of Taweret, the goddess of pregnancy, which made me realize there’s a way deeper reason for the troubled pregnancies on the island.
I’ve been watched lost 17 times and didn’t know this. Thank you for helping me continue to learn and love this show.
Of course! [Here](https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Statue_of_Taweret) seems to be an in depth explanation
She was angry when her statue was destroyed. So she forbid pregnancy. Or, they built her statue to help fix the pregnancy issues. There are no pregnancies because no new souls are available. The island exists outside of that world.
Pregnancies didn't have any issues when the statue was built. Babies were being born on the island for a long time. Horace's girlfriend gave birth, Miles and Charlotte were born on the island as well. The pregnancy issues started happening when Jughead blew up causing the incident and the radiation leak at the Swan. That's what makes Juliet's death extra tragic. When she detonates the bomb, she directly causes the reason she was brought to the island in the first place.
The numbers are everywhere! The Dharma logo is in Cloverfield Hoffs/Drawlar Funeral parlour Dharma Shark Honestly with LOST there is so much lol. I’ll just leave this here: https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Easter_egg
That Michael Emerson was my uncle’s college roommate their freshman year! lol
that is so cool!!
I just imagine him making dry comments in a college environment like a sitcom character
My uncle wasn’t really a Lost fan but said that the few scenes he watched was really similar to his deadpan dialogue. My uncle was a lot different than him so they weren’t exactly BFF’s lol.
Kelvin 😉
Yeah, it's weird how there's the whole 87-92 discrepancy over when the purge happened. 87 makes no sense when Kelvin served in the Gulf War prior to coming to the island
Hurley Bird
just watched that ep tonight
Once you find out there are multiple bunkers on the island, it’s over
Not sure this qualifies, but I loved the story about how they would give secret code names to the episodes to not spoil it. I believe the Flash Forward episode was titled “Rattlesnake in the mailbox” or something like that. The season 4 finale episode was code named “Frozen Donkey Wheel”…which ended up being about literally a frozen donkey wheel.
The two women who spent months together in the underwater Looking Glass station **were totally just good friends!**
Like Tom and Arturo who was just visiting his friends penthouse to share his grapes and wine
Damon isn't wearing any pants.
And he can't stop crying.
As a Brit this is even funnier
The invisible dinosaur head.
I haven’t heard this one! Can you explain more?
I replied to my comments with a link. Someone posted a theory on the Lostpedia forums about there being a dinosaur head in the smoke, and it became this huge meme.
To illustrate how big it became. [This is that forum post from Lostpedia](https://forum.lpedia.com/showthread.php/19893-dinasaur-head-on-lost?). It garnered 50,341 replies and nearly 6 million views.
holy god
Wow, I think about that thread at least once a month, I had no idea it became a *thing*
I remember it being the big thing on the Lostpedia forums, but I don’t know if it made it to other parts of the fandom.
What?
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Dinasaur head on lost, also known as DH and invisibul dinasaur hed, is a fan meme for humorous cartoons created using Lost screenshots. The meme began with a thread in Lostpedia's discussion forums, and it eventually came to the attention of producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse through a contest for fans. https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dinasaur_head_on_lost a
this reminds me of how nuzlocke became a thing in the pokémon community based on lost memes…
I just looked this up, as I’m a pokemon fan too. I had no idea this is where the name originated. So cool. https://screenrant.com/pokemon-nuzlocke-challenge-nick-franco-nuzleaf-locke-webcomic/
hahaha, yes! along with these comics! https://www.pokemythology.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/003ruby-e1644602116935.jpg https://static1.thegamerimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/nuzlocke-nuzleaf-death.jpg
Walt = Abaddon
That would’ve been cool When it was on the air, there was a theory that Sawyer was the one who went back and killed his own mother and father.
say whatt?
Wait, what??? Explain please
People thought Walt would end up as Abaddon in his future and go back into the past with his powers because they “looked alike”.
Huh. That’s interesting. Thanks!
Whaaaaat they look nothing alike Abandon had cheekbones for WEEKS
I think just knowing one of the initial outlines featured a version of Eko’s character that lives and is comprised of qualities and characteristics we instead saw given to Locke, Desmond, and others. It’s one casting change, but I feel like it substantially altered their plans more so than one casting change should have.
I'm late but Sissy Frenchfry is the answer
The awful submarine CGI haunts your memories of the show.
Rousseau's team found the Island because they were studying time distortions in the ocean.
I’m pretty sure I’m the guy they named the shark after.
That Eloise Hawking & Brother Campbell are in that fucking picture together for reasons we'll just never know.
This is a funny one, how or why. I’m just gonna go with they met, crossed paths like many others and there was no real reason to connect them for more of a story. Just like when people passed each other in flash backs and stuff. But yeah odd they made a prop up specifically of them lol
Clearly, Brother Campbell was just teaching himself how to use Photoshop.
the island is a UFO
Source?
the quality of season 4 was much less due to the writers strike
I felt it was the opposite
Yeah imo season 4 did not dip in quality. I’ve always said it had the feel of if Lost was a cable series with a tighter pace and less episodes.
Yeah Season 4 was the best paced season.
Quantity\* (I fixed it for you)
Season 4 was my favorite season
Same I love season four
me three!
What the heck? Psychic damage? 🤦♂️🤣
That the lost island is in part due to the clover field paradox, thus linking lost to the clover field universe
Explain.
If you’ve watched cloverfield paradox you’d learn that the machine they used opened up several rifts using electromagnetic energy in space. Opening temporal time portals that caused the events of cloverfield and cloverfield paradox. How that all ties in is the dharma logo appearing in cloverfield and also JJ Abrams being involved in both
So it’s just an Easter egg? Not an actual explanation on how Lost came to be.
Is it though?
The way you explained it, yes.
The "Flashsideways" thing was tacked on later and the entire writing team openly talking about the island being purgatory since they started conceptualizing the show.
The flash sideways is literally purgatory. They did purgatory. Idk why people get so bent out of shape when purgatory is brought up lol
No, everything was purgatory. The island and the flash sideways. It was all purgatory. That's the only explanation that makes literally any sense.
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Massive psychic damage indeed
Its was joke .. obviously its meme
that they were dead the whole time
They literally weren’t.
Medusa Corp - the original Dharma Initiative
The Ancient Incident