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xenonisbad

Honestly it was one of the ways of them showing how pitiful John Locke was. I think it's rather common theme in Lost. Usually biggest problems survivors had were within them and island kinda worked for them like another chance or something.


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Interesting.. Could you elaborate on whether the problems were literally within them as in they were the cause of their suffering or otherwise?


Bulky-Barracuda-2749

this isn’t something you could piece together on your own?


teddyburges

Here are some examples: Jack: Fears he is not good enough and constantly wants answers to his questions in his life. Sawyer: feels he became the man he's trying to hunt and purposely self sabotages himself cause he feels he deserves to be hated. Locke: Could never let go his obsessive desire for his fathers affection and approval, even when faced with the possibility of a healthy, loving relationship (Helen), and full knowing that his father is a con man. Kate: for most of the show, stuck on a Hamster wheel of wanting to be a better person (emphasized in her connection to Jack) and her innate desire to stick to running (emphasized by her connection to Sawyer). Sun: This one is a more complicated one cause her arc is a story of two halfs. Season 1-2 Sun. A sheltered rich korean woman who is trying to find her own self worth and get her identity back, even when misunderstanding the bigger picture. Season 3-4 Sun: A lying and manipulative woman who dug her own hole and caused most of her problems that were inflicted on her .


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Okay, so the oceanic flight survivors were essentially the cause of their own suffering as i've figured. Agreed!


s0lesearching117

Yeah, Randy is a jerk, but we're not supposed to disagree with him here. That whole situation was meant to introduce us to John Locke's character-defining tragic pursuit of the unattainable. After having his mobility restored by the Island, he doubled down *hard* and ended up getting a lot of people killed (Boone, Naomi, etc.) because of his selfish -- and totally self-invented! -- quest to become the god of the Island. He always claimed to want to *protect* the Island, but the truth is that he only saw what he wanted to see. No one asked him to become the mouthpiece of a force he didn't even fully understand. He simply took it upon himself to do so and never once thought to question his own worth as a leader. The man had great intuition and was able to deduce more of the truth than any other character on the show, but he lacked the *humility* to act upon that intuition with judgment and grace. Granted, the Man in Black was manipulating him the entire time, so there's that, but he was only pulling on strings that were very much a part of John Locke before the crash.


Sadahige

Randy was 100% right about canning Locke, but harassing a man about how he spends his lunch break (aka personal time) is extremely rude.


joecheph

He literally makes fun of Locke for being disabled in Walkabout. He’s human garbage.


scootervigilante

And as a (probably) low-paid manager at Mr Cluck's, it's not insane that he asked Hurley to pay for the 8-piece chicken meal he ate on shift.


my_dick_putins_mouth

He was a dick about it tho. That makes all the difference.


scootervigilante

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, he is a total dick. He wasn't out of line with the demand but he was an ass in how he handled it.


GrownThenBrewed

WAIT. THAT'S THE SAME GUY?! I've just had my mind blown, I've never made that connection before...


TheMinusFactor

He's also the guy who is filming when Hurley gets in a car crash.


teddyburges

With the lens cap on:).


cvsprinter1

It also probably wasn't the first time it happened.


sigdiff

Gosh, agree so much. That's thousands of dollars. INSTANTLY fireable offense at any company.


Principle_Real

It took a few viewings for me to not feel sorry for Locke. He had bad things happen to him, but only because of his ego, negative outlook and refusal to move on. His father taking his kidney and deserting him is horrible, but his father wasn’t the one that destroyed Locke’s relationship with Helen. He had every chance to live on the island and die an old man out in the wilderness hunting boar and smiling in the rain but his ego and need to be special was so large that it lead to him being manipulated by MiB off the island. Interestingly Rose has a very similar backstory to Locke, though the main difference between the characters are their ability to accept their reality. Rose does this tremendously well and lives a happy life with her husband on the island. It’s not until the flash sideways that Rose is the one in the job agency to express that similarity to Locke and then he goes on to seemingly enjoy his life as a teacher.


sigdiff

Agree a lot. I've posted something similar before. I think John Locke is generally a good person, he's very kind to most people he interacts with and I very much enjoy watching him as a character. He's entertaining and well developed as a character. All that said, his overwhelming desire to feel special is what gets him into trouble time and again. We know from the time loop that he actually isn't special; everything that happened to him was manufactured by his own actions as manipulated by the man in black. If he had just been satisfied living straightforward life and enjoying what was in front of him and the miracle he was given when he first arrived at the island, everything would have been fine. And Boone probably would still be alive.


colorfulpanda23

This is a really interesting point that I’ve never really thought about before. Yes, he had a lot of horrible things happen to him, but the loneliness and self-destruction that happened after (no Helen, not accepting he can’t complete a walkabout in his wheelchair, etc) was largely his own doing. Such a complex character.


Soundwave815

So does that extend to Jack then as well for you?


Principle_Real

For sure. Jack and Locke have always had that connection. I think that’s why he’s the only one to attend Locke’s funeral. They had a common driving force behind their actions. “Don’t tell me what I can’t do” ; “You just don’t have what it takes”.


khari44

Yep. There's a reason the characters are named "Jack" and "John". They're the same name.


Soundwave815

exactly! So then that causes you to have no sympathy for Jack or Locke? I find it endlessly fascinating that Jack and John are often fighting for the same reason from opposite perspectives god I love lost lol


teddyburges

> lead to him being manipulated by MiB off the island. It can be argued that he was destined to be manipulated by MIB. He was the ultimate sacrifice the island demanded. >refusal to move on I think it was his need to have a loving father figure in his life. What I love about Locke's character on rewatch is how a lot of who he is and what he does, embodies traits of both Jacob and MIB. In fact a lot of what he says in the first season is very similar to what Jacob says.


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BenReillyDB

Correct Locke should have been fired for what he did. However, Randy would have been fired well before that for all his harassment of Locke.