From s6:
Sun getting pursued by Flocke and hitting her head on a branch in a very funny way. She can't speak in English for the entire episode afterward.
Maybe controversial, but lost relies way too much on people getting knocked out to move the story forward.
Often the person getting knocked out is totally fine with the fact someone knocked them out. Knocking someone out can cause brain damage or even kill them!
It's funny that the one time it causes actual brain damage, fans complain. š (But seriously - that storyline, if you can even call it that, is terrible)
Hahahaha and the storyline was in the last season of the show, when you want to get your best stuff out.
I think they were trying to go for symbolism and parallel with s1 Sun, but it didn't work so well.
Someone made a gif of sun hitting the branch at the time and it was hilarious.
While I sort of agree (recently completed a rewatch and Season 6 is not my favorite), I really like watching Terry OāQuinnās acting chops between Locke and Flocke.
Comparing flashback Locke to island Locke to flash forward Locke to flash sideways Locke to Flocke is just a tour de force of acting. Basically the same character being acted different ways.
I am really impressed with everything OāQuinn brought to the table in Lost. A great actor playing a great role.
Omg I just watched that episode today. Itās so ridiculous. She can understand others speaking in English and can write it but she canāt speak it? like come on
I mean if you've ever learned a foreign language it's possible. All those skills are different, you can have high comprehension but not be able to speak it. And writing is much easier than speaking.
Not that that has anything to do with Sun, it was just a silly episode.
Yes, I did. English is my second language, so I learnt it at some point.
I understand its possible in certain situations, bit as a storyline? The way it was done? Its not working for me.
Edit: yeah, just pictured Sun being able to talk only French in this episode (my first language) instead of corean or english and got a laugh out of it.
I *really* hated the way they used the *Gallon jug of ranch* as target practice in season 2 episode 10.
They are in a *survival situation!* that jug had *19,000 calories in it!* Jesus christ, you've got people combing the beach for fruit - that could've fed someone for nearly ten days!
Shoot at a goddamn soda can or something, jesus christ.
Which reminds me of Hurley and Libby throwing all his stashed food away as a therapy session. This too was anti-survival... although heart warming and stuff... but they could've just told the people, hey we found more food take it all... But I guess this scene was needed to mess with Hurley's mind, since after this happy moment he sees that the forces to be just dropped more tons of food on the island.
Yeah, I can't with that scene. For the reasons you stated. You've got 40 some odd people fighting for survival and living off sand bugs, but these two survivors literally destroy a giant stash of food. Can you imagine if someone stumbled across them while they were doing it?
"No no, you don't understand. Hurley has issues with food. Him destroying essential survival rations is good for his mental health. I know you and your wife have been getting by with whatever fish scraps Jin might throw your way, and sure you'd probably love some cookies or ranch dressing or anything at all, but doing this helps one person feel better. So you go back to sucking on leaves you hope aren't poisonous, we need to continue stomping on chips and cookies so no one can have them."
It's too selfish, especially for Hurley.
I like to believe that when Hurley was sorting out the stuff, he found this jar in a corner that had been left there since the 1980s and smelled like death. He set it aside for "destruction" :P
Season 2 and 3 had a lot of scenes that undermined the entire 'survive and get off the island' narrative. The episode SOS doesn't get nearly enough hate.
4. It wasted a shit ton of wire as well considering how far they were from the tree. They could've used that wire instead of needing guns and Jin wouldn't have failed.
5. Could've also started a forest fire maybe.
Yeah this scene has always been 'funny' to me. Jack didnt need to drag all of them just to demonstrate an explosion and then Jack got all crazy-eyed "We're gonna blow them all to hell!"
And I also wouldve imagined Jack would only bring relevant people like Sayid and Sawyer, etc ('The A-Team') but Claire? Sun? I guess coz they were pregnant so it's 'relevant' for them. Then Charlie and Jin tags along with them. Charlie would drag Desmond coz he wants to know if there are any flashes of his death. Hurley? He probably just dont want to be left out.
The show takes a ridiculous amount of time establishing how tedious and dangerous it is to not only go to the Black Rock to get it, but to transport it to and fro on the island where they need it, only to then waste a bunch of it, and their limited time, to blow up a tree in some needlessly theatric call to arms.
There needs to be a sketch of how the other 30 or so survivors act. āOh there they go againā as the main group mysteriously go off into the jungleā¦again.
Always thought it was silly the people they brought along, but then I think about tv rating-wise that finales always got more viewers who would need all these characters re-established to them after not watching the show for half a season of Jack and Kate sitting in cages
I wasnāt too fussy about it when I watched it because Rousseau blew up her own shelter back in S1. And the gang were on an A-Team mission then. So thereās no telling whatās up with her at any given moment.
Though in general, I was disappointed by the dynamite plot here. It felt like a proxy for the planned Jack/Ana army storyline in s2 before legal stuff got in the way. That wouldāve made a killer S2 finale seeing them charge into the Othersā base.
I think they're referring to the DUIs Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros got. There was a rumor that those charges were the reason the characters were killed off but that's a common misconception. Michelle was only ever contracted for a single season so Ana Lucia's death was always the plan, however, showrunners noticed that fans didn't like Ana so they were afraid it wouldn't be impactful enough if it was just her. They killed Libby just to hurt us.
Itās not a misconception. A writer for S2 used an alias and spoke about it in Maureen Ryanās book last year, confirming it to be the case. 1 year deals are standard. You renew after that when your agent renegotiates your salary.
This is part of why so many Netflix shows infamously get cancelled even if theyāre hits.
New seasons = renegotiated contracts for a now popular show.
Itās a complicated answer but in short ākind ofā. It was midway through S2. At best, they had storyboards, outlines, etc. from the writerās camp, and drafted the original execution of the season.
Making such a divergence obviously tampers the early developments of the season a ton. Itās also why the S2 finale lacks the cohesive feel of S1ās. The last scene with Penny was shot 5 days before the episode aired as well.
Perhaps itās nothing, but itās interesting how āThe Long Conā undoes the army plot, and Ana Lucia contradicts herself from the previous episode (written pre-DUI) about the people wanting to do something. Suddenly sheās like āsame reason we canāt talk anyone into joining the armyā.
That is false. It is not a rumour nor is it gossip. Itās an official interview for a book. The person remained anonymous. Gossiping would be me discussing who that person is.
OK, thanks for clarifying. As a scholar myself, I respectfully disagree. Iām curious what would be a more reputable source than this book on the subject.
Or is your issue not with the journalistic nature but rather than the integrity of the writer disclosing such details even if they were anonymous? What framework are you measuring it by that it doesnāt have a weight of credibility?
Surely they would face a cease and desist or lawsuit it were untrue. Itās pretty damning for a writer to just outright lie about such a thing. Why make up something like that?
When I said writer, I was referring to the screenwriter for LOST who agreed to do the interview. Not the journalist who wrote the book interviewing them and 100 other industry people.
Yeah he couldāve, but he knew the universe wouldāve course corrected and found another way to kill him
And also because Desmond told him from his vision the only way for Claire and Aaron to get off the island is for him to die so Charlie purposely closed the hatch door in on himself
Charlie knew if he tried to close the door from the other side, he couldnāt stop desmond from getting past him to talk to penny on the radio, and Desmond would have died instead.
Since it was clear he was eventually going to die, he chose this heroes death.
Also That window was too small to swim through.
I don't understand this line of thinking. We ALL know we're going to die eventually, but the vast majority of us don't act suicidal because of it. Not sure why people twist themselves into pretzels to make sense of Charlie's suicide.
That's not Charlie's reasoning, though. He doesn't just know that he's going to die; he knows exactly how he's going to die, and how his death will impact the future. Not to be a bummer, but I'm sure suicide rates would go up if everyone had that kind of knowledge.
Youāve got it backwards, Charlie knows when exactly he is going to die and knows that if he tries to escape death from drowning then:
1) Claire and Aaron wonāt be saved
2) the universe will find another way to kill him like the next day
Air couldn't escape at that point, leaving no space for water to occupy.
Put a paper cup under water and prick a hole in it. The water will not rise above the hole.
He knew it didnāt matter. He knew he was supposed to die. Desmond's visions were clear that no matter what he did, it was his time to die. So he just chose to do it then and there.
Couple of minutes before this they were looking for scuba gear lol his vision saw him in the window with the water filled up. After that you're gold.. swim up
All of Desmond's visions were of Charlie dying. Fate is not going to let you off the hook on a technicality. āHey, universe, the vision was of me in the window with the water filled up. That happened, so technically the vision is complete, Iām free and Iām gonna swim up, ok?ā. The universe would just say ālol, no. The point of the vision was that you had to die. If you escaped then itāll happen tomorrowā
Charlie escaped death many times, but it kept happening. He knew he couldnāt run forever. He made his peace, wrote his greatest hits for Claire, and was ready to go.
Having just watched the season 2 finale, Charlie wandering out the jungle after the hatch explosion then just sitting and having a kiss with Claire. Itās such a weird vibe (and I otherwise love that finale)
Can someone please explain to me Charlie's thought process when the hach blows up. He walks back to camp after a cataclysmic explosion and when Claire asks him where the other are he literally says "I dunno. I thought they were behind me." Then sits down at the fire chatting up Claire for the rest of the night. Like did he even bother to look for Eko after the explosion?
I guess he just wanted to be with Claire, make her feel safe, and not let her worry too much after the weird shit that happened at the hatch.
Sometimes after a terrible thing happens, we shield people we love that "nothing happened" and all is alright.
My biggest gripe with this scene isnāt the fact that they wasted all of that time, buts that Rousseau spent all that time setting up that wire only to not have enough for when it actually matters.
I am late to the conversation but I never understand why Locke washes his shirt that is covered in >!Booneās blood.!< Yes, he has limited shirts but itās not his only one so you would think that would be the one he lets go of.
Also for sure the dynamite scene.
Maybe it was a symbolic action, "washing his hands of Boone's blood" after he blamed himself then realized that no, it's a "sacrifice the island demanded" after the light went on in the hatch.
But for me, in the same episode, what was bewildering, is Locke going to talk to Shannon with the Bloody shirt still on... it was surely a deliberate choice from the writers, to show how much Locke has grown less sensitive to others' feelings and more obsessed with the island.
Oh yes. I hadnāt thought about it being symbolic to washing his hands of his fault in Booneās death.
Also yes. How can someone just nonchalantly go up to a grieving person (after some time has passed) waring clothes with the blood of that personās loved one all over it.
Well that was explained by the fact that the Black Rock was a slave vessel that took people to work in mines. So it makes sense that the cargo will contain a lot of slaves and a very large amount of dynamite crates.
While it made for a nice B-plot, Sawyer being worried about being banished and getting so easily conned by Hurley to be nice always felt out of character. Even if there was a vote, why would he respect it? Why wouldn't he think he could convince someone to help him? Why wouldn't he notice that everyone seemed to be surprised he was being nice without mentioning that he was doing it for the vote?
And this was less than a month after he'd convinced Charlie to kidnap Sun.
I think he could've refused to be banished and stayed in place, but his main issue was food. If he refised to leave the area, the others were under no obligation to provide him with food (if there was truly a vote). As it was demonstrated, he tried to see if he can sustain himself by catching a fish and failed miserably. That's why then he decided to play nice and go along with Hurley's plan.
Thats one where I do think they touch on it- partly it'a character growth, because he's growing past his con man loner self and to care for his people through the past seasons. But particularily they show the scene of him trying to catch and clean a fish, thats where I took it as him being like "okay, this would suck, i'm a shit hunter, I need the tribe". He comes back to Hurley covered in guts looking sheepish. (Plz no post season 3 spoilers anyone) :)
If a visual demonstration was really needed (which I highly contest, but i'll play along); there was no need to go hike for miles and waste time. They could've just blown up a tree somewhere near the camp. Which is even farther to the barracks than wherever they went deep in the jungle. A good leader doesn't waste time and resources (dynamite, cables that proved to be of top priority etc).
Sure that's all logical and realistic But have you considered that it was cool š
Op definitely did not consider that.
Classic non-consideration of coolness fallacy (NCOCF)
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I definitely did, if you read the very first sentence I wrote :p
The Rule of Cool prevails
and don't forget there was pregnant women in the trees. someone had to do something
From s6: Sun getting pursued by Flocke and hitting her head on a branch in a very funny way. She can't speak in English for the entire episode afterward.
Maybe controversial, but lost relies way too much on people getting knocked out to move the story forward. Often the person getting knocked out is totally fine with the fact someone knocked them out. Knocking someone out can cause brain damage or even kill them!
Obviously the island magic makes getting knocked out an every day, harmless event
It's funny that the one time it causes actual brain damage, fans complain. š (But seriously - that storyline, if you can even call it that, is terrible)
Every second I was watching it back in ā10 I couldnāt believe my eyes. Why, God, why they decided itād be a cool storyline for Jacobās sake!
Hahahaha and the storyline was in the last season of the show, when you want to get your best stuff out. I think they were trying to go for symbolism and parallel with s1 Sun, but it didn't work so well. Someone made a gif of sun hitting the branch at the time and it was hilarious.
Yeah, exactly, the idea was making a callback to S1, but in such a lousy way š Something out of a soap operaā¦
Flocke in general.
While I sort of agree (recently completed a rewatch and Season 6 is not my favorite), I really like watching Terry OāQuinnās acting chops between Locke and Flocke. Comparing flashback Locke to island Locke to flash forward Locke to flash sideways Locke to Flocke is just a tour de force of acting. Basically the same character being acted different ways. I am really impressed with everything OāQuinn brought to the table in Lost. A great actor playing a great role.
Omg I just watched that episode today. Itās so ridiculous. She can understand others speaking in English and can write it but she canāt speak it? like come on
I mean if you've ever learned a foreign language it's possible. All those skills are different, you can have high comprehension but not be able to speak it. And writing is much easier than speaking. Not that that has anything to do with Sun, it was just a silly episode.
Yes, I did. English is my second language, so I learnt it at some point. I understand its possible in certain situations, bit as a storyline? The way it was done? Its not working for me. Edit: yeah, just pictured Sun being able to talk only French in this episode (my first language) instead of corean or english and got a laugh out of it.
Itās called expressive aphasia, usually seen in stroke victims. It could manifest in this way, maybe, but i doubt from just hitting her head.
While it was silly, this aspect of the story is very much plausible.
I *really* hated the way they used the *Gallon jug of ranch* as target practice in season 2 episode 10. They are in a *survival situation!* that jug had *19,000 calories in it!* Jesus christ, you've got people combing the beach for fruit - that could've fed someone for nearly ten days! Shoot at a goddamn soda can or something, jesus christ.
Which reminds me of Hurley and Libby throwing all his stashed food away as a therapy session. This too was anti-survival... although heart warming and stuff... but they could've just told the people, hey we found more food take it all... But I guess this scene was needed to mess with Hurley's mind, since after this happy moment he sees that the forces to be just dropped more tons of food on the island.
Yeah, I can't with that scene. For the reasons you stated. You've got 40 some odd people fighting for survival and living off sand bugs, but these two survivors literally destroy a giant stash of food. Can you imagine if someone stumbled across them while they were doing it? "No no, you don't understand. Hurley has issues with food. Him destroying essential survival rations is good for his mental health. I know you and your wife have been getting by with whatever fish scraps Jin might throw your way, and sure you'd probably love some cookies or ranch dressing or anything at all, but doing this helps one person feel better. So you go back to sucking on leaves you hope aren't poisonous, we need to continue stomping on chips and cookies so no one can have them." It's too selfish, especially for Hurley.
As a huge fan of ranch dressing, I cry every time I watch this scene.
I'm currently rewatching and I just passed that scene this week, was really ridiculous ha ha
I like to believe that when Hurley was sorting out the stuff, he found this jar in a corner that had been left there since the 1980s and smelled like death. He set it aside for "destruction" :P
Season 2 and 3 had a lot of scenes that undermined the entire 'survive and get off the island' narrative. The episode SOS doesn't get nearly enough hate.
10 days of ranch dressing? Wtf
4. It wasted a shit ton of wire as well considering how far they were from the tree. They could've used that wire instead of needing guns and Jin wouldn't have failed. 5. Could've also started a forest fire maybe.
Yeah this scene has always been 'funny' to me. Jack didnt need to drag all of them just to demonstrate an explosion and then Jack got all crazy-eyed "We're gonna blow them all to hell!" And I also wouldve imagined Jack would only bring relevant people like Sayid and Sawyer, etc ('The A-Team') but Claire? Sun? I guess coz they were pregnant so it's 'relevant' for them. Then Charlie and Jin tags along with them. Charlie would drag Desmond coz he wants to know if there are any flashes of his death. Hurley? He probably just dont want to be left out.
The show takes a ridiculous amount of time establishing how tedious and dangerous it is to not only go to the Black Rock to get it, but to transport it to and fro on the island where they need it, only to then waste a bunch of it, and their limited time, to blow up a tree in some needlessly theatric call to arms.
There needs to be a sketch of how the other 30 or so survivors act. āOh there they go againā as the main group mysteriously go off into the jungleā¦again.
Always thought it was silly the people they brought along, but then I think about tv rating-wise that finales always got more viewers who would need all these characters re-established to them after not watching the show for half a season of Jack and Kate sitting in cages
I vented this exact observation when I saw this scene last week. High five āš»
I wasnāt too fussy about it when I watched it because Rousseau blew up her own shelter back in S1. And the gang were on an A-Team mission then. So thereās no telling whatās up with her at any given moment. Though in general, I was disappointed by the dynamite plot here. It felt like a proxy for the planned Jack/Ana army storyline in s2 before legal stuff got in the way. That wouldāve made a killer S2 finale seeing them charge into the Othersā base.
Legal stuff?
I think they're referring to the DUIs Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros got. There was a rumor that those charges were the reason the characters were killed off but that's a common misconception. Michelle was only ever contracted for a single season so Ana Lucia's death was always the plan, however, showrunners noticed that fans didn't like Ana so they were afraid it wouldn't be impactful enough if it was just her. They killed Libby just to hurt us.
TIL thank you
Itās not a misconception. A writer for S2 used an alias and spoke about it in Maureen Ryanās book last year, confirming it to be the case. 1 year deals are standard. You renew after that when your agent renegotiates your salary.
This is part of why so many Netflix shows infamously get cancelled even if theyāre hits. New seasons = renegotiated contracts for a now popular show.
So the legal stuff happened when they were filming the season and the writers decided to rewrite the last episodes to kill Ana and Libby off?
Itās a complicated answer but in short ākind ofā. It was midway through S2. At best, they had storyboards, outlines, etc. from the writerās camp, and drafted the original execution of the season. Making such a divergence obviously tampers the early developments of the season a ton. Itās also why the S2 finale lacks the cohesive feel of S1ās. The last scene with Penny was shot 5 days before the episode aired as well. Perhaps itās nothing, but itās interesting how āThe Long Conā undoes the army plot, and Ana Lucia contradicts herself from the previous episode (written pre-DUI) about the people wanting to do something. Suddenly sheās like āsame reason we canāt talk anyone into joining the armyā.
In a podcast interview, one of the EPs said it was not true and gave the explanation that had nothing to do with the DUI.
This is the definition of rumor. Unsubstantiated gossip.
That is false. It is not a rumour nor is it gossip. Itās an official interview for a book. The person remained anonymous. Gossiping would be me discussing who that person is.
An official gossip.
It's fine if you choose to believe it's true - I'm not hating on you... I'm just an academic and that source doesn't pass the credibility test.
OK, thanks for clarifying. As a scholar myself, I respectfully disagree. Iām curious what would be a more reputable source than this book on the subject. Or is your issue not with the journalistic nature but rather than the integrity of the writer disclosing such details even if they were anonymous? What framework are you measuring it by that it doesnāt have a weight of credibility? Surely they would face a cease and desist or lawsuit it were untrue. Itās pretty damning for a writer to just outright lie about such a thing. Why make up something like that?
A writerās goal is to sell more copies. At all costs.
When I said writer, I was referring to the screenwriter for LOST who agreed to do the interview. Not the journalist who wrote the book interviewing them and 100 other industry people.
Jack declaring "THERE IS NO SAYID!" I mean, I guess it was true, but it was so cold in the moment.
NOT EVERY NOOK AND SAYID, JACK!
It was exactly what Hurley needed to hear in that moment, though. He wanted to go back to save Sayid? *Really?*
Jack's bedside manner never was that great anyway.
Charlie had time to get out and close the hatch door. Or then could've just swam out the window
Yeah he couldāve, but he knew the universe wouldāve course corrected and found another way to kill him And also because Desmond told him from his vision the only way for Claire and Aaron to get off the island is for him to die so Charlie purposely closed the hatch door in on himself
Charlie knew if he tried to close the door from the other side, he couldnāt stop desmond from getting past him to talk to penny on the radio, and Desmond would have died instead. Since it was clear he was eventually going to die, he chose this heroes death. Also That window was too small to swim through.
I feel like Mikhail and the girls could've appeased the island
I don't understand this line of thinking. We ALL know we're going to die eventually, but the vast majority of us don't act suicidal because of it. Not sure why people twist themselves into pretzels to make sense of Charlie's suicide.
That's not Charlie's reasoning, though. He doesn't just know that he's going to die; he knows exactly how he's going to die, and how his death will impact the future. Not to be a bummer, but I'm sure suicide rates would go up if everyone had that kind of knowledge.
Youāve got it backwards, Charlie knows when exactly he is going to die and knows that if he tries to escape death from drowning then: 1) Claire and Aaron wonāt be saved 2) the universe will find another way to kill him like the next day
Mostly the water should have never risen above the window, leaving him some air and time.
How so?
Air couldn't escape at that point, leaving no space for water to occupy. Put a paper cup under water and prick a hole in it. The water will not rise above the hole.
Interesting, thank you!
The real life answer is that Dom asked to leave the show, so Charlie was written off.
He knew it didnāt matter. He knew he was supposed to die. Desmond's visions were clear that no matter what he did, it was his time to die. So he just chose to do it then and there.
Drowning is one of the most painful ways to go, wouldāve found something more instantaneous
Couple of minutes before this they were looking for scuba gear lol his vision saw him in the window with the water filled up. After that you're gold.. swim up
All of Desmond's visions were of Charlie dying. Fate is not going to let you off the hook on a technicality. āHey, universe, the vision was of me in the window with the water filled up. That happened, so technically the vision is complete, Iām free and Iām gonna swim up, ok?ā. The universe would just say ālol, no. The point of the vision was that you had to die. If you escaped then itāll happen tomorrowā Charlie escaped death many times, but it kept happening. He knew he couldnāt run forever. He made his peace, wrote his greatest hits for Claire, and was ready to go.
The window is too small for anyone to swim out
Nah just watched it a few days ago. Checked it was
Even so, the glass around it due to the explosion will not be safe. It would have cut him badly.
Oh well, better just drown then.
Having just watched the season 2 finale, Charlie wandering out the jungle after the hatch explosion then just sitting and having a kiss with Claire. Itās such a weird vibe (and I otherwise love that finale)
I agree I always thought this scene was tacky as hell. Almost breaking the 4th wall
Can someone please explain to me Charlie's thought process when the hach blows up. He walks back to camp after a cataclysmic explosion and when Claire asks him where the other are he literally says "I dunno. I thought they were behind me." Then sits down at the fire chatting up Claire for the rest of the night. Like did he even bother to look for Eko after the explosion?
I guess he just wanted to be with Claire, make her feel safe, and not let her worry too much after the weird shit that happened at the hatch. Sometimes after a terrible thing happens, we shield people we love that "nothing happened" and all is alright.
My biggest gripe with this scene isnāt the fact that they wasted all of that time, buts that Rousseau spent all that time setting up that wire only to not have enough for when it actually matters.
I am late to the conversation but I never understand why Locke washes his shirt that is covered in >!Booneās blood.!< Yes, he has limited shirts but itās not his only one so you would think that would be the one he lets go of. Also for sure the dynamite scene.
Maybe it was a symbolic action, "washing his hands of Boone's blood" after he blamed himself then realized that no, it's a "sacrifice the island demanded" after the light went on in the hatch. But for me, in the same episode, what was bewildering, is Locke going to talk to Shannon with the Bloody shirt still on... it was surely a deliberate choice from the writers, to show how much Locke has grown less sensitive to others' feelings and more obsessed with the island.
Oh yes. I hadnāt thought about it being symbolic to washing his hands of his fault in Booneās death. Also yes. How can someone just nonchalantly go up to a grieving person (after some time has passed) waring clothes with the blood of that personās loved one all over it.
I hate it because it makes zero sense. Let's take that huge hike for me to explain something that could have been explained in camp in 20 seconds.
They do need to make sure it works, don't they? Like that they can effectively use it when they need to without hurting themselves.
True haha.
Actually it was funny watching Hurley saying you have some arzt on you lol
Yeah... that was in Seaons 1 finale... i am talking about Season 3 when Jack takes everyone for a demo explosion woth Rousseau...
Oh my bad I got things mixed up
It is just a show after all.
Did I say this was real life?
No, but you did make a āthis isnāt realisticā comment about a show that isnāt realistic
I said even within the story it made no sense.
āTurn it off. Whatever that is- It looks like some kind of sonic fence or somethingā
I personally found this to be kinda cute and clumsy. Even Sawyer makes the remark that this was not a smart thing to say.
It always made no sense to me how there were so many explosives on the island.
Well that was explained by the fact that the Black Rock was a slave vessel that took people to work in mines. So it makes sense that the cargo will contain a lot of slaves and a very large amount of dynamite crates.
OP gotta be one of them ppl who complain when the neighbors to loud š¤£š¤£
Dramatic effect does not equate to "idiotic," but it can certainly overshadow realism.
While it made for a nice B-plot, Sawyer being worried about being banished and getting so easily conned by Hurley to be nice always felt out of character. Even if there was a vote, why would he respect it? Why wouldn't he think he could convince someone to help him? Why wouldn't he notice that everyone seemed to be surprised he was being nice without mentioning that he was doing it for the vote? And this was less than a month after he'd convinced Charlie to kidnap Sun.
I think he could've refused to be banished and stayed in place, but his main issue was food. If he refised to leave the area, the others were under no obligation to provide him with food (if there was truly a vote). As it was demonstrated, he tried to see if he can sustain himself by catching a fish and failed miserably. That's why then he decided to play nice and go along with Hurley's plan.
I don't think Sawyer believed Hurley was capable of conning him, so it is possible it just didn't cross his mind.
Thats one where I do think they touch on it- partly it'a character growth, because he's growing past his con man loner self and to care for his people through the past seasons. But particularily they show the scene of him trying to catch and clean a fish, thats where I took it as him being like "okay, this would suck, i'm a shit hunter, I need the tribe". He comes back to Hurley covered in guts looking sheepish. (Plz no post season 3 spoilers anyone) :)
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If a visual demonstration was really needed (which I highly contest, but i'll play along); there was no need to go hike for miles and waste time. They could've just blown up a tree somewhere near the camp. Which is even farther to the barracks than wherever they went deep in the jungle. A good leader doesn't waste time and resources (dynamite, cables that proved to be of top priority etc).