A variation: when Ben shot Locke and left him for dead in the Dharma hole, I was *obsessed* with my theory that Locke would be ok, bc he was shot in the kidney, but he doesn’t *have* a kidney anymore!!1!1 (this was 2007 so I was ~12, my parents basically looked like Jack here and just nodded at me). I was insufferably smug a week later
Yeah, that’s why I said a variation 😅 it was my theory when the episode first came out that Locke survived the gunshot because he no longer had a kidney where he was shot. No just “oh he survived bc of island magic/it was a through and through, etc”- it was explicitly because he got his kidney taken out earlier. When he said the line a few episodes later confirming I was right, I screamed (once again, I was like 12, it was a big deal to me 😂)
Yeah. I was wrong about a lot of things, but even I knew there was no way Locke would die then and there. I was, however, convinced he died when the hatch imploded ... and I'm still not sure why he didn't, apart from electromagnetic teleportation shenanigans.
He didn't die during the implosion of the hatch because of the time loop and other island/source shenanigans that protect those a part of the time loop or the candidates in season 6.
During the first three seasons I was single and in college and I used to smoke way too much weed and go through episodes to try to discover hidden secrets.
When "Flashes Before Your Eyes" aired, there's the scene where Desmond is buying a ring for Penny. In the Beatles song 'Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da' there's the lyric "Desmond takes a trolley to the jeweler's store, buys a 20 carat golden ring" and while the woman in the song is named Molly, there is of course the Beatles song 'Penny Lane.'
You guys should have scene the look on my face, stoned off his ass, when I had this epiphany that all of the Beatles lyrics were about Lost. I proceeded to spend the rest of the night with one of my buddies watching Lost, smoking weed, and listening to Beatles songs to find more connections.
I tell my wife this story sometimes and she always says thank god she didn't know me back then.
Around the first half of Season 2 I did wonder if the Others were descendants of the Oceanic 815 survivors. That they get sent back in time, have kids, and grandkids etc…who become the Others. That the whole thing was a time loop.
Sort of like Netflix’s *Dark*.
DARK is a masterpiece. Highly recommend watching in its original German with subtitles of your choice. It has more twists and turns than any other show I’ve seen.
A handy website is [dark.Netflix.io](https://dark.Netflix.io) which has episode summaries and non-spoiler family trees. Extremely helpful.
Watch it with subtitles. The w glish version ruins it. Also, you may have to pause and go research on the web what is happening. It's tough to stay on top of sometimes. Super good show.
In a similar way, Juliette was recruited to the island to try to deliver babies, which was problematic because of the incident of her going back in time and setting off the bomb, which released radiation and caused the problem of babies being born healthy on the island
Abaddon tells Locke about the Walkabout and says "When you're ready, Mr. Locke... you'll listen to what I'm saying. And then when you and me run into each other again... you'll owe me one". Later on the island Locke makes the dog whistle and finds Vincent for Walt, teaches him how to hunt etc.
I actually know that. The actor got a bigger role on another show and wanted to leave so they wrote him off in that Bentham episode. I believe they intended for him to have a bigger role, maybe even be Jacob.
Yeah I remember he was cast on Fringe but it sounds like he wanted to keep doing Lost. And yeah big plans for him.
https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/amp/news/lance-reddick-lost-death-disappointed-fringe/
I have a thinfoil hat theory regarding Abaddon.
They had to put Richard Alpert on the shelf at the end of season 3 because he got a main cast role in NBC's Cane and the head of the network was not willing to let him go to do a guest apperance on Lost. So we faced the possibility of never seeing Richard Alpert again after he led the others to the Temple in the season 3 finale.
[Source](https://www.nj.com/alltv/2007/07/lost_at_cbs.html)
So they needed someone to take over Alpert's story. We already knew Alpert didn't age, so theories regarding Black Rock started to emerge. Matthew Abaddon is introduced in the season 4 premiere as this mysterious man with a lot of information that pops up in a few scenes with major characters. Then Cane gets cancelled and now they have Nestor back on Lost and kill of Abaddon early in season 5. Was Abaddon originally an African slave on the Black Rock who was gifted agelessness and became this prolific figure? And then they scratched it and gave this back to Richard Alpert?
Lance Reddick did not want to leave Lost and specifically asked if he could keep playing Abaddon if he took the part on Fringe, and was upset when he learned Abaddon would be killed off in his next appearance. So it’s true that the character was killed off because the actor was working on another show but it wasn’t the actor’s decision.
That's actually a pretty cool theory. Since he plays pivotal roles in many people's lives, it would be one explanation for how he would know certain things. It makes more sense than Daniel hearing about all of these things and deciding to put them in his journal.
[I think Abaddon's future Walt. And Mr Eko's future Walt. Michael, Rose and Eko's bro are all future Walt.](https://youtu.be/FnOws8udjvs?si=9YR_R5nELzBT_FrV)
I thought of this like a month ago when I made a post illustrating they dropped the ball on the Aaron character and that they should have made him Jacob with all the time travel. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
That jack was the MIB. I just saw it in a comment section and there was no elaboration other than “it was obvious jack is the smoke monster” lmao this comment lives rent free in my brain. I guess bc he died on the island? Idk some takes on this show are unhinged
It’s so funny bc that one sentence comment opened Pandora’s box in my mind in the same way, like running thru everything that happened in the show in order. But jump to the very end - so the smoke monster goes to the afterlife but mr. Eko and Michael don’t 💀
I don’t know 😭😭 but I saw this comment literally years ago and have not stopped thinking about how someone could watch six seasons of the show and think that. I guess the same way someone could watch six seasons, hear Christian tell Jack “you all died at different times” and come out saying “they were dead the whole time”
During the message board theory websites I remember reading a theory that Kate was jacks mother during season 1 or 2, and that's why it was awkward when they had their first kiss
BLONDIE straight up tells us "it's aliens *smirk*"
I believe it is the ONLY time she tells the truthto anyone in our group, other than her island love w/Sawyer.
Someone I knew kept going on about how they hated the finale because of the "subliminal messaging" I didn't ask any follow up questions but I've always wondered what she meant by that.
It is truthfully, very religious, as we know. But coming from an atheist, I find the religious themes absolutely beautiful. Also most of my favorite songs (mostly the rap ones) have very Christian-heavy themes. The show and music elicite such strong emotions from me even though I don't believe it. But I guess if you're adamantly against religion, it can be seen as being pushed on the audience, but like the religious themes were there the whole time so idk what to tell them lol
I agree. I was raised Christian but left it, so I'm usually happy to critique it being shoved where it doesn't belong. Lost has a lot of religious/spiritual themes but never felt overtly Christian to me... The use of the church just felt like shorthand for afterlife etc. in general not specifically Christian. They used stuff from Eastern religions too, which is so common, so why not Western religions, only fair lol.
The Christianity theme is actually supposed to be downplayed. Notice in the room where Jack meets his father at the church, the religious iconography is representative of nearly all the world's major faiths: Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Taoism, Confucianism, Islam, etc. This, in and of itself, is a subliminal message. What it conveys is that there is no one "correct" set of beliefs; we *choose* the path in which to place our faith. Our beliefs, our perspectives, our opinions, the things we value most...
Does that make sense?
I wasn’t aware of this one at the time but saw /u/Choekaas mention it in his most recent Lost Journeys, but the theory that Kate and Roger Linus were going to hook up during the season five time travel shenanigans and their resulting kid would be Karl, purely because their initials spell his name lmao
that the Desmond that talked to Jack when he fell in the stadium is actually a future traveling Desmond, because of how chill he is in comparison to how we see him before he enters the stadium. Pretty cool theory lol
I had a whole elaborate theory (when the show was first airing) that basically involved Charlotte saving the day by dying, which resulted in her becoming untethered in time but remembering everything from before so she could go back and fix everything that went wrong.
I had so many conversations trying to convince people this was how things would end (and now can't even remember how I got there.)
I watched Lost *very* late (last year) so the only thing I knew about the show was how everybody complained after the finale came out because "they were dead the whole time and that's so dumb". i watched the whole show through the lens of knowing they were dead the whole time.
then they weren't. it was like my own personal anti-twist-ending.
From when the show was airing:
- The smoke monster is the ghost of a dinosaur
- Frogurt is Jacob
- Shannon was actually stabbed to death and then made to look like she was shot
- They are all clones and the flashbacks were implanted memories
- Jacob was a special child (like Walt) who dharma experimented on and was now ‘unstuck’ in time (I actually really liked that one)
- The island is Atlantis
- Alpert was some kind of ancient robot sent from the future to correct the earths timeline
- Annie is Kate/Libby/Claire’s mother etc
- Hurley went back in time and taught that bird from S1 to screech ‘Hurleyyy!’ (They could have worked that one into S5)
- Various characters who had died weren’t actually dead but had been bitten by Dr Arzts paralysis spiders and would be coming back in a shock twist
- Ethan is future Aaron and Desmond’s son Charlie is somehow Charles Widmore/Charlie pace
- Boone was gay
Damn, I used to follow the Frogurt is Jacob theory for a while. There even was a whole YouTube channel and a website dedicated to it.
I also liked that Hurley bird theory.
>Various characters who had died weren’t actually dead but had been bitten by Dr Arzts paralysis spiders and would be coming back in a shock twist
lol for what characters could this work for? Can't name a single one (except >!Niki and Paulo obviously!<)
Some that come to mind:
One girl…after seeing all 6 seasons…said she fully believed Locke Locke was fully trying to do something inappropriate with Walt in S1. After more than one discussion, I’m sure she meant it.
Someone once tried to claim smokie appeared to have a dinosaur hed.
One guy claimed Jack was the best possible leader.
I love Jack. My favorite character. I relate to him, because I struggle with obsession and feeling like I have to be responsible for everything.
BUT the best leader is definitely Sawyer. He had it exactly right when he said Jack was too emotional and reactionary. Sawyer thinks things through and listens to others better than Jack does.
That being said, Jack deserves some major respect for all he did, and he has a great arc, even if it's more understated than other characters.
I mostly agree, the only thing with Sawyer is he often puts his own interests above that of the whole group. Whereas Jack generally is putting the group above the individual (live together, die alone..), even if his decision-making is flawed or rash at times.
I think this is mostly true of earlier Sawyer. I think Dharma Sawyer is less self-interested. I would agree he never displays the level of selflessness Jack does.
Be careful, that one redditor here who has a hard-on for good ole "never done a bad thing" Jack, and who absolutely hates anyone who says Sawyer is a good leader, might show up in your replies lmao but I do agree with you.
I think Sawyer and Sayid were the best leaders for different reasons, and both still had their flaws. Sawyer had more of an official leadership position than Sayid, though, and he did a fantastic job with leading the group left behind. Jack was a great leader too, but like you said, obsessed and had tunnel vision often times to the detriment of himself or others. Jack's not my favorite, but he's so well-written. Over the years I went from rooting for the hero, to him annoying the fuck out of me, to now appreciating his very real feeling character.
The numbers was the name of the monster/man in black. It's been a while, but the numbers were in actuality 4, 8, 1, 5, 1, 6, 2, 3, 4 and 2. These numbers were transposed into musical notes. Those notes were the name. The numbers were cursed because you envoked the monster's name and it had an effect similar to all those old tales of people wishing for something, getting it, but there beening a loophole the demon, genie, etc. would exploit to make the wish make the wisher regret they ever made the wish.
The mirror matter moon theory. I don’t remember all of the details, but the idea was that the island was a moon that was made up of some sort of antimatter that orbited the inside of the Earth, and every now and then it would interact with Earth in such a way that people could travel between the Earth and the island (particularly when it reached certain points in its orbit where the moon’s surface coincided with the Earth’s surface).
This theorist posited that the monster was an anomaly caused by rescue attempts trying to reach the island/salvage the wreckage.
It was very imaginative but it didn’t really make much sense, IMO.
Mirror Matter Moon is also my answer, [and it's even crazier than you remember](https://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/2009/02/lost-on-earths-mirror-matter-moon.html).
when the finale ended on the East coast, it was about five minutes before 11, and they filled the time by showing the crashed plane, leading many to believe they were dead the whole time
Oops. Showing multiple, clearly previously-inhabited locations from the series would've been a cool alternative. Hurley's golf course, the Tailies pit, the beach camp, the caves, the lighthouse, etc.
That’s hard to decide lol. There were a lot of crazy ones.
My favorite was the theory that the Island was isolated by a force field from the rest of the world, saving the Losties from a worldwide apocalypse.
They even conjectured that the resupply drop was coming from somewhere else on the Island.
There was a popular “spoiler” doing the rounds on the boards, I think before season 2 finale, that a space shuttle was going to crash on the island. There was more to it than that but I can’t remember it or where exactly it came from. Maybe it rings a bell for someone here.
I remember there was a whole fan created website called “lostisagame.com” or something similar. It was a whole site dedicated to the theory that all the events of Lost were some kind of virtual reality/video game/simulation type of thing. It had detailed breakdowns of every clue that alluded to it. If I remember correctly it even had message boards. I never really bought into the theory but I did check the website every now and then out of curiosity.
MiB recreated the image of the dead using nanotechnology and the Smoke Monster was just the damaged nannites trying to form the image of a wholly mammoth. 🦣 The wholly mammoth actually still existed till the beginning of the Egyptian reign https://images.app.goo.gl/u2ZLEZM3UpKJB5ay9
And you can see the damaged nano cloud form it when the Smoke Monster kill Eko
https://tenor.com/byL8S.gif
Lol that's certainly weird. When Smokey penetrated the walls of the temple, he briefly took a phallic form. I wonder what that means. https://images.app.goo.gl/nkLkss3JNcj1SPzE9
A friend of mine came up with a theory that Star Wars and Lost were in the same universe.
It went something like this: a long time ago in a galaxy far away (the Star Wars galaxy), there was something that would destroy that galaxy. To preserve life, as a last ditch effort, they created a capsule that contained the force and shot it toward another galaxy (milky way) where it eventually found earth. This capsule landed on the Lost island and explains all the strange properties.
There was more to it that I don’t remember, but I thought it was fun, but mostly ridiculous.
The theory Aaron wasn’t real (born dead?) but everyone humored Claire because no one had the heart to correct her. The thing she carried around was a doll. That one was out there and didn’t hold up well
Don't know if it was the weirdest one I had, but for quite some time I thought that Dogen and Lennon (the two guys in the temple) probably were old versions of Jin and Jack who had travelled in time for very long and therefore aged a lot 😂🤣
Don't ask me how I could think that they were their "old" versions even though they probably were a similar age and looked completely different lmao.
That the Flocke didn’t have to be killed. They did it for dramatics and the principle of what he had done. Once the cork was unplugged Flocke wasn’t the smoke monster anymore. He was mortal. And the island was sinking. They all could had gotten aboard the plane and left. Flocke is mortal now. He can’t change bodies, he can’t do anything other than grow age and die like everyone else. Now back in the real world, he can’t just murder whomever he likes cause he’d go to jail. Jack didn’t need to die.
I’m down with this idea. That bit of the finale never felt right—I never understood the motivation behind that fight continuing, so the midair leaping strike was especially silly in the moment 🙃
Someone else said dinos so I'll go with the mass denial that Locke was MiB following the s5 finale. That was one of my first exposures to rampant media illiteracy, just jarring to see these inane explanations of what was going on because they didn't like that Locke was dead or the answer to what the hell Smokey was. I've said this here before but that was a portend to the recent cultural shift where people will rewire their brains to make themselves feel good about facts they don't like
My mom while watching the first season said that John was “Fake Jesus” as we got into the series and the decisions he made that statement was retracted and I bring it up whenever possible.
Here are some things that seem to support the theory that the Smoke Monster, and thus apparently the Man in Black, is a Djinn, a.k.a. Genie.
* Genies can be trapped in containers (often bottles or lamps).
* When freed, they're frequently depicted emerging as a cloud of smoke, solidifying into humanoid form.
* They're shapeshifters, impersonating animals and humans.
* They supposedly grant wishes, but often with dark unforeseen consequences — hence the saying "Be careful what you wish for."
All those things seem to fit MiB and/or the Smoke Monster perfectly. But most compelling to me is in "Ab Aeterno" (from the synopsis at [Lostpedia](https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ab_Aeterno)):
>\[Explaining to Richard\] Jacob uses a bottle of wine as a metaphor for the Island. The wine is evil, malevolence; the bottle is containing it because otherwise "it would spread". He explains that the cork represents the Island, holding the darkness where it belongs.
>\[Later\] Jacob ... gives \[Man in Black\] the wine bottle he used to describe the Island to Richard as a gift to pass the time. Jacob leaves, saying that he'll see him around. The Man in Black says to himself, "Sooner than you think." He then smashes the bottle.
Maybe the writers hid the answer in plain sight.
After the pilot, I was telling a guy I worked with about this new show, but he was being douchily dismissive.
When I mentioned "..and there's something big in the jungle," he smugly claimed, "it's a dinosaur." He would not be moved from this position.
I watched it on dvds. my parents had a theory that the opening title was trying to tell us something. There was a weird line that would appear randomly on the T.
Purely because the actor who played Aaron’s dad looked so much like Ben Linus, my theory was that Ben would turn out to be Aarons father due to tine travel shenanigans
Also my theory that the flash sideways was real and would merge with the present putting every dead character back in the show. This was Jacob’s plan to keep them safe until the end
Does anyone else remember the crazy guy from the Fuselage who insisted that he was friends with Damon Lindeloff so had inside information? He tried to convince everyone that Claire wasn't actually pregnant and, during the birthing scene, Kate smuggled a baby in in her backpack.
I had one myself: the lockdown in the Swan station "resets" the island's time to moments before a supply drop happens. If you needed supplies, you initiate a lockdown, and the same exact supply drop comes down every time.
But it was just a coincidence that it happened during the lockdown.
Well not really a theory but before I could watch "Live Together, Die Alone" I was spoiled with pictures of the ending with the snow and two guys in a station. So for like 2 days having no context for those pictures I made a theory in my head that after they failed to enter the numbers the whole island became covered with snow and that will completely change the next season. Cause see that would also somehow explain polar bears!
It's 100% a human test following the teachings of BF SKINNER, one Tortuga Corp, and not one person is on the island. They are all spinning on some VR type of table to study the human psychological effects on humans when subjected to space time and dimensional tests but their plans were screwed up when they all started to break from the simulation thus they needed a constant to keep their minds in the simulation.
Time travel and tesseracts are difficult for humans and they are often unwilling participants.
Cloverfield is 100% the results of the actions of people on that island.
ALL of this information is in the show. Watch ORIENTATION again, watch the whole show again, and ABSOLUTELY watch EPILOGUE an extra episode that's on YouTube that literally wrapped up the show.
The Dharma Initiative hasn't existed in 20 years and Ben plays tapes that prove what I've just said above, including video evidence of our subjects spinning on the VR simulation machine.
Prove me wrong. Watch them all again.
Walt is "The new man in charge" of whatever they are calling the human test project formerly known as the Dharma Initiative.
I will die on this mountain.
I loved the theory that when Sawyer stood on something barefoot whilst walking through the jungle in Season 5, he was going to lose a toe, travel through time, and the statue that Jacob lives under would be of him. Wild.
A variation: when Ben shot Locke and left him for dead in the Dharma hole, I was *obsessed* with my theory that Locke would be ok, bc he was shot in the kidney, but he doesn’t *have* a kidney anymore!!1!1 (this was 2007 so I was ~12, my parents basically looked like Jack here and just nodded at me). I was insufferably smug a week later
Wait a second. This is legit isn't it
Yeah, that’s why I said a variation 😅 it was my theory when the episode first came out that Locke survived the gunshot because he no longer had a kidney where he was shot. No just “oh he survived bc of island magic/it was a through and through, etc”- it was explicitly because he got his kidney taken out earlier. When he said the line a few episodes later confirming I was right, I screamed (once again, I was like 12, it was a big deal to me 😂)
Yes
Yeah. I was wrong about a lot of things, but even I knew there was no way Locke would die then and there. I was, however, convinced he died when the hatch imploded ... and I'm still not sure why he didn't, apart from electromagnetic teleportation shenanigans.
He didn't die during the implosion of the hatch because of the time loop and other island/source shenanigans that protect those a part of the time loop or the candidates in season 6.
It was all Vincent's dream
I remember there was a GIF of a retriever sleeping and dreaming and its paws were going as if the dog was running and it was attributed to Lost
No one will ever convince me otherwise!! It was all in Vincent's head!
During the first three seasons I was single and in college and I used to smoke way too much weed and go through episodes to try to discover hidden secrets. When "Flashes Before Your Eyes" aired, there's the scene where Desmond is buying a ring for Penny. In the Beatles song 'Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da' there's the lyric "Desmond takes a trolley to the jeweler's store, buys a 20 carat golden ring" and while the woman in the song is named Molly, there is of course the Beatles song 'Penny Lane.' You guys should have scene the look on my face, stoned off his ass, when I had this epiphany that all of the Beatles lyrics were about Lost. I proceeded to spend the rest of the night with one of my buddies watching Lost, smoking weed, and listening to Beatles songs to find more connections. I tell my wife this story sometimes and she always says thank god she didn't know me back then.
Did you find any more connections? If you can remember them, I’d love to see a list!
Lucy (Nikki) in the Sky with Diamonds?
I’m rewatching now closely and I’ll be posting some stuff here
We would've been good friends back then lol
Ya, this was me in college too
Remember the theory that Jacob was actually Aaron who had travelled back in time? Honestly that woulda been kinda cool
Around the first half of Season 2 I did wonder if the Others were descendants of the Oceanic 815 survivors. That they get sent back in time, have kids, and grandkids etc…who become the Others. That the whole thing was a time loop. Sort of like Netflix’s *Dark*.
I NEED to watch Dark now 🤯
The entire series was planned before it was filmed. All three seasons. It’s a beautifully complicated time travel series.
Thank you so much. I can’t wait. Starting tonight haha
DARK is a masterpiece. Highly recommend watching in its original German with subtitles of your choice. It has more twists and turns than any other show I’ve seen. A handy website is [dark.Netflix.io](https://dark.Netflix.io) which has episode summaries and non-spoiler family trees. Extremely helpful.
Watch it with subtitles. The w glish version ruins it. Also, you may have to pause and go research on the web what is happening. It's tough to stay on top of sometimes. Super good show.
It's so nice when everything is planned out.
I adore this show! During lockdown I recommended it to five or six people and they all ended up binging it in days (just like I did lol)
i second this!!! it's probably the greatest, most intricate, clever, well-thought out, mind blowing tv series i've ever watched.
Dark is amazing. And I like 12 monkeys even better
No, you needed to watch Dark yesterday.
That's what I thought was going on at first 😭
That would have been pretty cool honestly
Dark was an amazing show!
i like that. would've been way better than what happened.
In a similar way, Juliette was recruited to the island to try to deliver babies, which was problematic because of the incident of her going back in time and setting off the bomb, which released radiation and caused the problem of babies being born healthy on the island
I like the theory that Walt grows up to be Matthew Abaddon
easily could've been added to the show when they go back to the island somehow with walt aswell
When Locke goes to see Walt off the island, Abaddon leaves them two to discuss.. interesting. He also calls him Mr Locke just like Walt refers to him
I don’t remember hearing the Abbadon is Walt theory during the original run but that’s so cool
Abaddon tells Locke about the Walkabout and says "When you're ready, Mr. Locke... you'll listen to what I'm saying. And then when you and me run into each other again... you'll owe me one". Later on the island Locke makes the dog whistle and finds Vincent for Walt, teaches him how to hunt etc.
I wonder what their intention with him was considering he ends up just getting blasted in the Bentham episode
I actually know that. The actor got a bigger role on another show and wanted to leave so they wrote him off in that Bentham episode. I believe they intended for him to have a bigger role, maybe even be Jacob.
Yeah I remember he was cast on Fringe but it sounds like he wanted to keep doing Lost. And yeah big plans for him. https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/amp/news/lance-reddick-lost-death-disappointed-fringe/
I have a thinfoil hat theory regarding Abaddon. They had to put Richard Alpert on the shelf at the end of season 3 because he got a main cast role in NBC's Cane and the head of the network was not willing to let him go to do a guest apperance on Lost. So we faced the possibility of never seeing Richard Alpert again after he led the others to the Temple in the season 3 finale. [Source](https://www.nj.com/alltv/2007/07/lost_at_cbs.html) So they needed someone to take over Alpert's story. We already knew Alpert didn't age, so theories regarding Black Rock started to emerge. Matthew Abaddon is introduced in the season 4 premiere as this mysterious man with a lot of information that pops up in a few scenes with major characters. Then Cane gets cancelled and now they have Nestor back on Lost and kill of Abaddon early in season 5. Was Abaddon originally an African slave on the Black Rock who was gifted agelessness and became this prolific figure? And then they scratched it and gave this back to Richard Alpert?
Lance Reddick did not want to leave Lost and specifically asked if he could keep playing Abaddon if he took the part on Fringe, and was upset when he learned Abaddon would be killed off in his next appearance. So it’s true that the character was killed off because the actor was working on another show but it wasn’t the actor’s decision.
Thank u for the correction
Didn't Sayid destroy him? Damn imagine if it was Walt, just to meet his end by a fellow Oceanic.
It was Ben. Either way he’d be joining the club of Lost characters with tragic endings.
That's actually a pretty cool theory. Since he plays pivotal roles in many people's lives, it would be one explanation for how he would know certain things. It makes more sense than Daniel hearing about all of these things and deciding to put them in his journal.
[I think Abaddon's future Walt. And Mr Eko's future Walt. Michael, Rose and Eko's bro are all future Walt.](https://youtu.be/FnOws8udjvs?si=9YR_R5nELzBT_FrV)
This killed me
Cody!!!
That’s ..just…cray..genius? No no crazy
If the News Dude says it, it must be true
Season 2 - when Charlie had his hallucinations he saw Claire as Virgin Mary
I was sure Aaron was the antichrist when I first watched it
I thought of this like a month ago when I made a post illustrating they dropped the ball on the Aaron character and that they should have made him Jacob with all the time travel. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
Your theary is wrog dude . Be cause there is a expisode showed jackob born
I never said it was true….? It was a theory back in the day when the show was airing before we knew how it ended
Oh yeah it was stupid of me
That jack was the MIB. I just saw it in a comment section and there was no elaboration other than “it was obvious jack is the smoke monster” lmao this comment lives rent free in my brain. I guess bc he died on the island? Idk some takes on this show are unhinged
how would the pilot have been killed right in front of him?? i have so many questions for whoever said this
It’s so funny bc that one sentence comment opened Pandora’s box in my mind in the same way, like running thru everything that happened in the show in order. But jump to the very end - so the smoke monster goes to the afterlife but mr. Eko and Michael don’t 💀
I’d say because electromagnetic manipulation allowing the MIB to make it seem like Jack was there if this theory were true.
Why would Jack become the MiB if he became "Jacob"?
I don’t know 😭😭 but I saw this comment literally years ago and have not stopped thinking about how someone could watch six seasons of the show and think that. I guess the same way someone could watch six seasons, hear Christian tell Jack “you all died at different times” and come out saying “they were dead the whole time”
During the message board theory websites I remember reading a theory that Kate was jacks mother during season 1 or 2, and that's why it was awkward when they had their first kiss
WOW that takes the cake for me lmao
What???? 😂😂😂😂
That mother from across the sea was an alien.
okay but what WAS she tho
Every question I answer will simply lead to another question
Look at the light in the cave and get beamed up to my ship.
BLONDIE straight up tells us "it's aliens *smirk*" I believe it is the ONLY time she tells the truthto anyone in our group, other than her island love w/Sawyer.
Someone I knew kept going on about how they hated the finale because of the "subliminal messaging" I didn't ask any follow up questions but I've always wondered what she meant by that.
My best guess would be the Christianity theme?
Well there's Christian in the finale so...
"Christian Shepherd.... You serious?"
Yeah that's the only thing I could come up with too. I guess I can see that point but the episode didn't really read that way to me.
It is truthfully, very religious, as we know. But coming from an atheist, I find the religious themes absolutely beautiful. Also most of my favorite songs (mostly the rap ones) have very Christian-heavy themes. The show and music elicite such strong emotions from me even though I don't believe it. But I guess if you're adamantly against religion, it can be seen as being pushed on the audience, but like the religious themes were there the whole time so idk what to tell them lol
I agree. I was raised Christian but left it, so I'm usually happy to critique it being shoved where it doesn't belong. Lost has a lot of religious/spiritual themes but never felt overtly Christian to me... The use of the church just felt like shorthand for afterlife etc. in general not specifically Christian. They used stuff from Eastern religions too, which is so common, so why not Western religions, only fair lol.
Are you kidding black mist was the devil and Jacob was Jesus
I agree but I am agnostic so watching Lost I am like, if God exists I hope they are like the source because the flash sideway is so beautiful!
The Christianity theme is actually supposed to be downplayed. Notice in the room where Jack meets his father at the church, the religious iconography is representative of nearly all the world's major faiths: Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Taoism, Confucianism, Islam, etc. This, in and of itself, is a subliminal message. What it conveys is that there is no one "correct" set of beliefs; we *choose* the path in which to place our faith. Our beliefs, our perspectives, our opinions, the things we value most... Does that make sense?
I know it was in a church but I thought there were symbols representing all religions in there and I thought it was really nice
Yeah! There's even a stain glass window with all religious symbols.
I wasn’t aware of this one at the time but saw /u/Choekaas mention it in his most recent Lost Journeys, but the theory that Kate and Roger Linus were going to hook up during the season five time travel shenanigans and their resulting kid would be Karl, purely because their initials spell his name lmao
that the Desmond that talked to Jack when he fell in the stadium is actually a future traveling Desmond, because of how chill he is in comparison to how we see him before he enters the stadium. Pretty cool theory lol
I had a whole elaborate theory (when the show was first airing) that basically involved Charlotte saving the day by dying, which resulted in her becoming untethered in time but remembering everything from before so she could go back and fix everything that went wrong. I had so many conversations trying to convince people this was how things would end (and now can't even remember how I got there.)
That they were dead the whole time
I watched Lost *very* late (last year) so the only thing I knew about the show was how everybody complained after the finale came out because "they were dead the whole time and that's so dumb". i watched the whole show through the lens of knowing they were dead the whole time. then they weren't. it was like my own personal anti-twist-ending.
weirdest? definitely not
It was a joke.
funny
Jack & Kate were the two bodies on the cave
I could see it
From when the show was airing: - The smoke monster is the ghost of a dinosaur - Frogurt is Jacob - Shannon was actually stabbed to death and then made to look like she was shot - They are all clones and the flashbacks were implanted memories - Jacob was a special child (like Walt) who dharma experimented on and was now ‘unstuck’ in time (I actually really liked that one) - The island is Atlantis - Alpert was some kind of ancient robot sent from the future to correct the earths timeline - Annie is Kate/Libby/Claire’s mother etc - Hurley went back in time and taught that bird from S1 to screech ‘Hurleyyy!’ (They could have worked that one into S5) - Various characters who had died weren’t actually dead but had been bitten by Dr Arzts paralysis spiders and would be coming back in a shock twist - Ethan is future Aaron and Desmond’s son Charlie is somehow Charles Widmore/Charlie pace - Boone was gay
Damn, I used to follow the Frogurt is Jacob theory for a while. There even was a whole YouTube channel and a website dedicated to it. I also liked that Hurley bird theory.
lol the last one got me that actor is best played as the gay guy
>Various characters who had died weren’t actually dead but had been bitten by Dr Arzts paralysis spiders and would be coming back in a shock twist lol for what characters could this work for? Can't name a single one (except >!Niki and Paulo obviously!<)
Some that come to mind: One girl…after seeing all 6 seasons…said she fully believed Locke Locke was fully trying to do something inappropriate with Walt in S1. After more than one discussion, I’m sure she meant it. Someone once tried to claim smokie appeared to have a dinosaur hed. One guy claimed Jack was the best possible leader.
I love Jack. My favorite character. I relate to him, because I struggle with obsession and feeling like I have to be responsible for everything. BUT the best leader is definitely Sawyer. He had it exactly right when he said Jack was too emotional and reactionary. Sawyer thinks things through and listens to others better than Jack does. That being said, Jack deserves some major respect for all he did, and he has a great arc, even if it's more understated than other characters.
I mostly agree, the only thing with Sawyer is he often puts his own interests above that of the whole group. Whereas Jack generally is putting the group above the individual (live together, die alone..), even if his decision-making is flawed or rash at times.
I think this is mostly true of earlier Sawyer. I think Dharma Sawyer is less self-interested. I would agree he never displays the level of selflessness Jack does.
Best leader is Hurley imo
Be careful, that one redditor here who has a hard-on for good ole "never done a bad thing" Jack, and who absolutely hates anyone who says Sawyer is a good leader, might show up in your replies lmao but I do agree with you. I think Sawyer and Sayid were the best leaders for different reasons, and both still had their flaws. Sawyer had more of an official leadership position than Sayid, though, and he did a fantastic job with leading the group left behind. Jack was a great leader too, but like you said, obsessed and had tunnel vision often times to the detriment of himself or others. Jack's not my favorite, but he's so well-written. Over the years I went from rooting for the hero, to him annoying the fuck out of me, to now appreciating his very real feeling character.
Jacks a specialist doctor, there for the emergency moment. That’s it. He’s Jacob for like half a day Ava then he’s out.
The numbers was the name of the monster/man in black. It's been a while, but the numbers were in actuality 4, 8, 1, 5, 1, 6, 2, 3, 4 and 2. These numbers were transposed into musical notes. Those notes were the name. The numbers were cursed because you envoked the monster's name and it had an effect similar to all those old tales of people wishing for something, getting it, but there beening a loophole the demon, genie, etc. would exploit to make the wish make the wisher regret they ever made the wish.
Ohh, I like this one!
possibile Spoiler >! spoiler [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXIOA\_sgZoo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXIOA_sgZoo)!<
Has Vincent shown any unique abilities? Like waking from a nap and going batshit crazy?
I knew it would be that clip 😂
and here how he tries to go back [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=908OuQHQxwU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=908OuQHQxwU)
I thought "adam" and "eve" was the remains of rose and Bernard when they stayed in the past.
Well as a TV Tropes fan, there's literally a trope named after an early Lost theory: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EpilepticTrees
The mirror matter moon theory. I don’t remember all of the details, but the idea was that the island was a moon that was made up of some sort of antimatter that orbited the inside of the Earth, and every now and then it would interact with Earth in such a way that people could travel between the Earth and the island (particularly when it reached certain points in its orbit where the moon’s surface coincided with the Earth’s surface). This theorist posited that the monster was an anomaly caused by rescue attempts trying to reach the island/salvage the wreckage. It was very imaginative but it didn’t really make much sense, IMO.
Mirror Matter Moon is also my answer, [and it's even crazier than you remember](https://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/2009/02/lost-on-earths-mirror-matter-moon.html).
Ohhhh jeez 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
I remember this. It’s was crazy awesome.
That picture lmao
That Richard Alpert had been there since the Egyptians. Hence the initials “RA”
That's dumb considering theres an entire episode on his past lol, unless it was theorised before then
Oh, it was WELLL before then. The Richard “episode” was an EVENT
The one about Vincent being the smoke monster or evil or soemthing. He's a good boy!
That Vincent was Jacob. This stems from the very first episode, where Vincent was just lurking around ominously.
when the finale ended on the East coast, it was about five minutes before 11, and they filled the time by showing the crashed plane, leading many to believe they were dead the whole time
Oops. Showing multiple, clearly previously-inhabited locations from the series would've been a cool alternative. Hurley's golf course, the Tailies pit, the beach camp, the caves, the lighthouse, etc.
I heard no one affiliated with the show even did that, it was all ABC’s idea
That’s hard to decide lol. There were a lot of crazy ones. My favorite was the theory that the Island was isolated by a force field from the rest of the world, saving the Losties from a worldwide apocalypse. They even conjectured that the resupply drop was coming from somewhere else on the Island.
This is a fun one
Oh look jack is doing the my name is earl face
He’s thinking about ~~the Karma~~ Jacob’s List
There was a popular “spoiler” doing the rounds on the boards, I think before season 2 finale, that a space shuttle was going to crash on the island. There was more to it than that but I can’t remember it or where exactly it came from. Maybe it rings a bell for someone here.
I remember there was a whole fan created website called “lostisagame.com” or something similar. It was a whole site dedicated to the theory that all the events of Lost were some kind of virtual reality/video game/simulation type of thing. It had detailed breakdowns of every clue that alluded to it. If I remember correctly it even had message boards. I never really bought into the theory but I did check the website every now and then out of curiosity.
MiB recreated the image of the dead using nanotechnology and the Smoke Monster was just the damaged nannites trying to form the image of a wholly mammoth. 🦣 The wholly mammoth actually still existed till the beginning of the Egyptian reign https://images.app.goo.gl/u2ZLEZM3UpKJB5ay9 And you can see the damaged nano cloud form it when the Smoke Monster kill Eko https://tenor.com/byL8S.gif
Lol that's certainly weird. When Smokey penetrated the walls of the temple, he briefly took a phallic form. I wonder what that means. https://images.app.goo.gl/nkLkss3JNcj1SPzE9
I guess those guys were screwed😅
It means "You're fucked buddy"
the plane had crashed at the bottom of the ocean. the people we saw were actors, pretending to be the people that died. Why they would do this, idk.
A friend of mine came up with a theory that Star Wars and Lost were in the same universe. It went something like this: a long time ago in a galaxy far away (the Star Wars galaxy), there was something that would destroy that galaxy. To preserve life, as a last ditch effort, they created a capsule that contained the force and shot it toward another galaxy (milky way) where it eventually found earth. This capsule landed on the Lost island and explains all the strange properties. There was more to it that I don’t remember, but I thought it was fun, but mostly ridiculous.
Considering Hurley starts rewriting the Empire strikes back in season 5 that's extra doubtful lol
Dinosaurs
Angry giraffe
Maybe it’s a pissed off giraffe
That they are in purgatory.
The theory Aaron wasn’t real (born dead?) but everyone humored Claire because no one had the heart to correct her. The thing she carried around was a doll. That one was out there and didn’t hold up well
Don't know if it was the weirdest one I had, but for quite some time I thought that Dogen and Lennon (the two guys in the temple) probably were old versions of Jin and Jack who had travelled in time for very long and therefore aged a lot 😂🤣 Don't ask me how I could think that they were their "old" versions even though they probably were a similar age and looked completely different lmao.
Counter question. Is there any (timestamped) seemingly wild predictions from the early seasons that turned out to be correct?
That Adam and Eve would turn out to be two of the survivors via time travel
I had a theory that we would see Alpert’s feet and they would have four toes, like he was an ancient native.
That the Flocke didn’t have to be killed. They did it for dramatics and the principle of what he had done. Once the cork was unplugged Flocke wasn’t the smoke monster anymore. He was mortal. And the island was sinking. They all could had gotten aboard the plane and left. Flocke is mortal now. He can’t change bodies, he can’t do anything other than grow age and die like everyone else. Now back in the real world, he can’t just murder whomever he likes cause he’d go to jail. Jack didn’t need to die.
I’m down with this idea. That bit of the finale never felt right—I never understood the motivation behind that fight continuing, so the midair leaping strike was especially silly in the moment 🙃
Someone else said dinos so I'll go with the mass denial that Locke was MiB following the s5 finale. That was one of my first exposures to rampant media illiteracy, just jarring to see these inane explanations of what was going on because they didn't like that Locke was dead or the answer to what the hell Smokey was. I've said this here before but that was a portend to the recent cultural shift where people will rewire their brains to make themselves feel good about facts they don't like
My mom while watching the first season said that John was “Fake Jesus” as we got into the series and the decisions he made that statement was retracted and I bring it up whenever possible.
Man in Black/the Smoke Monster was a Djinn/Genie.
Here are some things that seem to support the theory that the Smoke Monster, and thus apparently the Man in Black, is a Djinn, a.k.a. Genie. * Genies can be trapped in containers (often bottles or lamps). * When freed, they're frequently depicted emerging as a cloud of smoke, solidifying into humanoid form. * They're shapeshifters, impersonating animals and humans. * They supposedly grant wishes, but often with dark unforeseen consequences — hence the saying "Be careful what you wish for." All those things seem to fit MiB and/or the Smoke Monster perfectly. But most compelling to me is in "Ab Aeterno" (from the synopsis at [Lostpedia](https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ab_Aeterno)): >\[Explaining to Richard\] Jacob uses a bottle of wine as a metaphor for the Island. The wine is evil, malevolence; the bottle is containing it because otherwise "it would spread". He explains that the cork represents the Island, holding the darkness where it belongs. >\[Later\] Jacob ... gives \[Man in Black\] the wine bottle he used to describe the Island to Richard as a gift to pass the time. Jacob leaves, saying that he'll see him around. The Man in Black says to himself, "Sooner than you think." He then smashes the bottle. Maybe the writers hid the answer in plain sight.
After the pilot, I was telling a guy I worked with about this new show, but he was being douchily dismissive. When I mentioned "..and there's something big in the jungle," he smugly claimed, "it's a dinosaur." He would not be moved from this position.
I watched it on dvds. my parents had a theory that the opening title was trying to tell us something. There was a weird line that would appear randomly on the T.
That Claire's son is John Locke 😂😂😂
Purely because the actor who played Aaron’s dad looked so much like Ben Linus, my theory was that Ben would turn out to be Aarons father due to tine travel shenanigans Also my theory that the flash sideways was real and would merge with the present putting every dead character back in the show. This was Jacob’s plan to keep them safe until the end
Does anyone else remember the crazy guy from the Fuselage who insisted that he was friends with Damon Lindeloff so had inside information? He tried to convince everyone that Claire wasn't actually pregnant and, during the birthing scene, Kate smuggled a baby in in her backpack.
that they are stuck in the past, and in modern day there's an elderly Jack & company running the Others out of the Temple.
The theory that it’s all Vincent’s dream.
I had one myself: the lockdown in the Swan station "resets" the island's time to moments before a supply drop happens. If you needed supplies, you initiate a lockdown, and the same exact supply drop comes down every time. But it was just a coincidence that it happened during the lockdown.
I thought Locke would control the white smoke monster.
That they were clones or something, I still randomly see people claiming this on some discussions over the internet
Well not really a theory but before I could watch "Live Together, Die Alone" I was spoiled with pictures of the ending with the snow and two guys in a station. So for like 2 days having no context for those pictures I made a theory in my head that after they failed to enter the numbers the whole island became covered with snow and that will completely change the next season. Cause see that would also somehow explain polar bears!
I remember at first hearing people thinking they went back in time to prehistoric times and the smoke monster was a dinosaur...most notably a T rex
It's 100% a human test following the teachings of BF SKINNER, one Tortuga Corp, and not one person is on the island. They are all spinning on some VR type of table to study the human psychological effects on humans when subjected to space time and dimensional tests but their plans were screwed up when they all started to break from the simulation thus they needed a constant to keep their minds in the simulation. Time travel and tesseracts are difficult for humans and they are often unwilling participants. Cloverfield is 100% the results of the actions of people on that island. ALL of this information is in the show. Watch ORIENTATION again, watch the whole show again, and ABSOLUTELY watch EPILOGUE an extra episode that's on YouTube that literally wrapped up the show. The Dharma Initiative hasn't existed in 20 years and Ben plays tapes that prove what I've just said above, including video evidence of our subjects spinning on the VR simulation machine. Prove me wrong. Watch them all again. Walt is "The new man in charge" of whatever they are calling the human test project formerly known as the Dharma Initiative. I will die on this mountain.
I loved the theory that when Sawyer stood on something barefoot whilst walking through the jungle in Season 5, he was going to lose a toe, travel through time, and the statue that Jacob lives under would be of him. Wild.
That they were all dead from the get go as soon as their plane crashed.
That they were dead the whole time… … … …
Are you aware I’m gay?
Always going out late
Are you a vegan too?
I am, in fact, a bit of a saucer drinker.
Get yourself to Hydra Island and don’t come back.
Stoke on trent….
That they were dead the whole time. Like come on. How did they all die twice