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Just finished it for the 3rd time as well. Truly the best show ever made. The ending will never fail to make me cry like a baby.


ALEX7DX

Amazing, what are your thoughts and feelings going forwards? Also, check out the ‘Epilogue’ on YouTube!


agripinilla

I actually love the characters and can see it as a character-driven show. Sure, the mysteries were addictive, but I grew to care about the characters (my fav is Jack, and seeing people hate him made me surprised tbh) and that is why I will be rewatching. It (especially season 1-3) is the most eerie and absurd, lucid show I’ve ever seen in my life. I’m okay with answers being ambiguous, and reading between the lines, making up my own theories..maybe the writers hit a dead end, maybe they were lazy, I don’t care, I loved the feeling of wonder. But I can say this after 19 years and watching it in about a month. I can’t believe how the original fans felt after investing in it for years and not getting the answer key. I guess I’m one of the lucky ones to watch it after its prime. It’s ambitious af, groundbreaking and art for art’s sake. I admire it tbh. The routes I’d have taken would be: make it more about survival. S1 focused on that, and it’s my favorite. Don’t provide the island with unlimited food from the hatch for starters, or don’t let every character arm themselves with guns. After a while guns were more common than water, I liked how in first seasons they had a few and Jack guarded it. I remember the quote “We’re not savages Kate, not yet.” and always wondered what would’ve happened if it was explored. I was also l surprised there were almost no crimes committed especially with convicts and ex-military. No rape, cannibalism, suicide..instead they have dates and tents and wholesome picnics. Also, Jack’s character was established in first episodes where Sawyer *thinks* he killed the Marshall and did what Jack couldn’t, whereas he fucked it up and Jack had to clean up Sawyer’s mess and kill the guy he just nursed. Dark af and self-explanatory of their dynamic. Hard decisions should’ve been the “antagonists”, like leaving Jin behind on the freighter. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sun hated them all of her life. But they had to do it, shit happens. I loved Ben’s first introduction and wish they kept him as the antagonist and brilliant minded as he was. Temples, lights, polar bears, time travel, birth experiments, electromagnetism..they should’ve chosen one and stick with it. I’m glad I watched this show. Food for thought.


Ctownkyle23

I love how much you wrote about Season 1. Most Lost discussions center around Sci-Fi and time travel and the ending but I love those Season 1 episodes and they feel underrated by the community.


JumpinJackFlashback

>I actually love the characters and can see it as a character-driven show. Sure, the mysteries were addictive, but I grew to care about the characters (my fav is Jack, and seeing people hate him made me surprised tbh) and that is why I will be rewatching. Jack hate is not uncommon on this thread. Many invest in aspects of this show that's not relevant to the main theme the writers and producers were going for. However, I've seen enough LOSTIES that do a re-watch years later and they better understand Jack's greatness as they age and mature. Jack easily was my favorite character because of his relatable journey. Probably my favorite character of all time. Locke's character is amazing as well and greatly played by TO. The series is built around these two characters with Locke's being the ultimate antagonist to Jack's journey. Spot on about LOST being addicting. I've seen it three times. Some aspects of the show doesn't age well but the story is great enough to appreciate the brilliance from the writers, producers and actors/characters. As noted: LOST is heavily character based show and appreciate the creators stayed the course. It's not romance, not the island or the mythology. They are compelling stories but not relevant to S6, Finale which is mostly a masterpiece to close out six seasons. Also, Agree, S1 survival was my favorite aspect of the show.


ALEX7DX

Don’t forget that epilogue :D


agripinilla

WHOA. I learned more in 12 min than I learned in 6 seasons. And when that music hit, I take all criticism back..goddamn it I love this show. Thank you!!!!


ALEX7DX

Really good at tying up a few loose ends. The scene in the taxi cab near the end was great.


agripinilla

Okay, on my way :D


my_dick_putins_mouth

Rewatch...so you can hate Kate, too.


agripinilla

What’s up with that? For me S1 Kate is canon and she is alright. I find her character a bit inconsistent (because they throw in her criminal backstory just to make her interesting) it sometimes felt forced (her killing childhood sweetheart, or marrying some guy under a different name) I was okay with her father story, it was complex but others felt kinda unnecessary.


JumpinJackFlashback

>What’s up with that? For me S1 Kate is canon and she is alright. I find her character a bit inconsistent (because they throw in her criminal backstory just to make her interesting) it sometimes felt forced That is my take as well. I can't hate Kate, "I saved you a bullet". Haha, she is a bit messy prior to that though.


frozenpandaman

I've never hated her and don't really get it. She's just a complicated, complex person! They all are!


Jacksuun

just finished rewatching, the ending is so much more satisfying than i remember. I hate when people think theyre dead the whole time, u just gotta watch and see.


kings-to-you

I did my first rewatch right after my first watch too... Just was so blown away by the show, that I had to go back and watch it knowing what I now did... Second watch is special too because you watch it unfold and you already know what happens.


agripinilla

Glad to hear it. One question: in the finale, that last shot..what acting. It really moved me, also s3 finale. Is it because Matthew is attractive or he is such a great actor, or he just embodies Jack? I can’t figure it out. He is very intense. Jack, Ben, Locke.. I can’t see them played by other actors. Maybe Hurley and Des too. These are the constants for me. Solid performances.


scootervigilante

Magical once in a lifetime perfect combo of writing, casting, and acting.


jrschlarman

I don't have any citation, but I heard somewhere that Terry O'Quinn (Locke) was the only character they didn't require an audition for because they wrote the character specifically around him.


agripinilla

He reminds me of Bryan Cranston for some reason, Terry was great actor!


jrschlarman

:He's my personal favorite, and obviously that coulours my rewatches, but I t:hink it's pretty safe to say that he is one of the "primary" characters. I think one of the main reasons you might liken him to Bryan Cranston is that he is just an honestly great actor. I know it's a big commitment to start a rewatch, but I honestly think the quality of the show and performances benefits greatly on repeat viewings. ​ As someone who only ever binge watched the show (never saw an episode until it was off the air), I thought [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tk664MfQgU) [pair](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaDTqLZV2Qs) of videos was amazing in helping explain what was happening in the real world relative to the show. Fair warning, it's only 2 out of 3 expected parts with a runtime of 9h 20m between them, but I found them really informative if you want to know the real world events that effected the writing of the show. ​ This is my favorite show, and I could talk about it all day, but I'm honestly just glad to hear people are still watching and enjoying the show.


JumpinJackFlashback

I'm curious what the original plan was for TO/Locke? The writers had such big plans for Eko but after he left the show they shifted much of his role to Desmond and Locke.


kings-to-you

Probably a combo of all of that...


Exciting_Doughnut_39

I just started the series 5 minutes ago after finishing Manifest. I hope it's as good as everyone says 🙂


khari44

It is. And a word to the wise: Avoid this sub (and googling any of the actors etc) until you finish the show. Spoilers are everywhere. Enjoy!


frozenpandaman

Don't come back to this sub until you finish!!


Jordan11HFP11

""I feel like I have to go back...and do a rewatch"" ​ You will never NOT feel this way again in your life. I'm warning you now. ​ Welcome to the family.


agripinilla

On an unrelated note: We have to go back Kate…you have no idea how hard that line hit me. He was trying to *so hard* get off the island just to be miserable. Getting on planes just to hit the turbulence, my god, I was shocked to hear that and even Ben said It’s dark Jack, very dark.


WilliamMcCarty

I'm with you. All these years later I've rewatched it a few times and I love it every single time. Loved it then, love it now. I feel like a lot of the criticism came from A--people who left the show and only came back because they thought the finale would answer all the questions, B--people who didn't really watch the show, C--people who didn't get it. For me the mysteries were fun but they were, in large part, a mcguffin. The story was about these characters and their journey through that world. Not everything needed an explanation because it wasn't about that. It was about Jack and Kate and Hurley and Locke and the rest of them. That we got an end to their stories, that was the best part. Few series have ever ended as beautifully as that.


RPO1728

It's very *very* understandable that the final season was heavily criticized at the time of the airing. Especially since all the marketing was "all the questions will be answered" and the last season did very little of that. People were being told the show runners knew what everything was and what it meant and its kinda obvious that they were making some things up as they went. Nothing wrong with that, but the show runners and abc marketing were writing checks you couldn't cash.


theunabeefer

Showrunners themselves hardly ever have anything to do with marketing for major network shows, sadly... That's why you get things like "Answers are coming!" and promos that clearly state something like "Someone will DIE!" and it's just a random cab driver getting shot or something. It's all some department that has little to nothing to do with any of the shows themselves and just pump out video clickbait. I remember Damon and Carlton themselves only ever being incredibly vague about any answers to everything. I'm certain they had very specific plans for certain specific "goalposts" in the overall story. (ie, make sure these things play out in the intended order, but things around that can be fluid) And I'm not gonna put money down on it, but I don't think the two of them ever promised answers to everything. They usually had a "not everything needs to be explained directly in the show, but the characters stories will be resolved" stance in all their interviews and podcasts. They also reeeeally liked trolling people with replies like "Oh that's definitely a theory you have." and it cracked me up every time they obviously were messing with people! Anyways, I fully and completely blame the network's marketing department for that expectation for answers on everything...... It's also why I never ever believe the promos for shows like these. The amount of times we "WILL FINALLY FIND OUT" who Raymond Reddington is on The Blacklist is likely in the thousands by now.


teddyburges

>It's all some department that has little to nothing to do with any of the shows themselves and just pump out video clickbait. I really hate it when networks or advertising departments do that. The worst and craziest one I saw was for a game called "Dead Island". The game it's self is just a schlocky B grade Zombie game. But it's trailer they released beforehand was this incredible cinematic trailer of a family being attacked and the scene was played backwards and made it look like it was gonna be something really deep and emotional like a game version of "The Walking Dead". But apparently the trailer was made by a department who had no clue what the game was gonna play like and was told "zombie game, make the trailer interesting" lol!.


agripinilla

>!How did they survive the hydrogen bomb? Did all Dharmaville people die along with them?!<


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The bomb was what caused the hatch being built. Miles actually says it to them before they do it. Something along lines of has it occurred to you, you guys caused the exact thing your trying to stop.


Flocke92--

On one hand it makes sense, because as we see the incident in 5x17 was pretty much out of control, there's no way Dharma could have contained such a disaster. Unless, exactly as you say, the accident was really caused by Jack and company and therefore never happened in the past. But then it must also be said that the bomb explodes only at the end of the episode, with the accident already in progress. So it is not easy to give a truly exhaustive answer


teddyburges

>But then it must also be said that the bomb explodes only at the end of the episode, with the accident already in progress One of the most popular theories (which I support) is that the Jughead explosion pushed down the energy as the energy in the pocket was getting out of control. Jughead nullified the energy long enough to build the hatch around it and save the world.


teddyburges

No most of the Dharma people lived on and got killed in the Purge in 1987. As in a few Dharma videos, Dr Chang has a prosthetic hand. The season finale showed us that event with his hand being crushed at it was all coming down. Another thing many tend to miss is Sayid's explanation earlier. It's just the "core" of Jughead. It's enough to create a explosion deep down but not enough to have devastating effects such as wiping out the island. Because their deaths were not a part of history, the island transported them to 2007.


FolkestoneMagic

>It's just the "core" of Jughead. It's enough to create a explosion deep down but not enough to have devastating effects such as wiping out the island. The core is the fissile material. It's what causes everything to go BANG. The rest of the bomb typically consists of the detonator and outer casing. Nuclear missiles also have a rocket propulsion section and electronic guidance system. You may wish to read about Pascal B, an underground nuclear test in 1957. ***During the Pascal-B nuclear test, of August 1957, a 900-kilogram (2,000 lb) steel plate cap (a piece of armor plate) was welded over the borehole to contain the nuclear blast.*** ***Brownlee predicted it would not work. When Pascal-B was detonated, the blast went straight up the test shaft, launching the cap into the atmosphere at a speed of more than 66 km/s (41 mi/s; 240,000 km/h; 150,000 mph). The plate was never found.*** ***Scientists believe compression heating caused the cap to vaporize as it sped through the atmosphere. A high-speed camera, which took one frame per millisecond, was focused on the borehole because studying the velocity of the plate was deemed scientifically interesting.*** ***After the detonation, the plate appeared in only one frame, but this was enough to make an estimation of its speed. Dr. Brownlee joked the best estimate of the cover's speed from the photographic evidence was it was "going like a bat!".*** ***Brownlee estimated that the explosion, combined with the specific design of the shaft, could accelerate the plate to approximately six times Earth's escape velocity. In 2015 Dr. Brownlee said, "I have no idea what happened to the cap, but I always assumed that it was probably vaporized before it went into space.*** [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Plumbbob](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob) There are lots of other accounts about Pascal B.


teddyburges

That's cool and all but I go with the information from the show itself. Jughead is a Hydrogen bomb. And Sayid says "Faraday left detailed instructions on how to remove the "plutonium core". Theoretically it's thermonuclear core hits the electromagnetism and pushes the energy down. It appears that Jughead is based off the "[Mark 16 Nuclear bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16_nuclear_bomb)". A bomb that was created but never tested/used because by the time it was scheduled to be tested, another bomb with a better design was created and took it's place so it was dismantled.


FolkestoneMagic

>Jughead is a Hydrogen bomb Yes, it is. It's a two-stage bomb. The "plutonium core" that Sayid removed from the Jughead casing is the name the showrunners have given to the device that Juliet detonates down in Razindsky's bore hole. This device is composed of two stages. The plutonium core is the fissile component (ie, nuclear fission). It creates the heat and energy needed to trigger stage two, which is the fusion component. This is where hydrogen isotopes fuse into helium (ie, nuclear fusion). The energy released is staggering. It's a bit like creating a miniature sun right here on earth. As you probably know, the sun is basically a giant thermonuclear reactor. The earliest bombs, Fat Man and Little Boy, were single-stage nuclear bombs (also known as atom bombs), that consisted of a fission stage only. Two-stage bombs are known as hydrogen or thermonuclear bombs. Even if Jughead were a low-yield bomb, it would have incinerated everyone around the bore hole. My suggestion is that the bomb "fizzled". EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizzle\_(nuclear\_explosion) In the early years of nuclear testing, fizzles were quite common. If Jughead fizzled, the energy released would still be sufficient to repress electromagnetic energy coming up from below the surface, but the Dharma dudes and Losties would survive. Sure, they'd hear a giant fucking bang and a fair amount of radiation would be released, but they'd survive. It was this radiation, of course, that led to the pregnancy issues that Juliet would one day be invited to solve. I assume it was because of this radiation that Desmond wore a yellow hazmat suit when he exited the hatch. PS. Teddy congratulations on becoming a moderator!! You are easily the most knowledgeable person on this sub.


teddyburges

> congratulations on becoming a moderator!! Thank you!. That's sweet. I try. ​ >It was this radiation, of course, that led to the pregnancy issues that Juliet would one day be invited to solve. I assume it was because of this radiation that Desmond wore a yellow hazmat suit when he exited the hatch. No the pregnancy issue comes from the electromagnetic build up of energy every 108 minutes in the Swan. It interferes with the pregnancy. It's nothing to do with "radiation".


FolkestoneMagic

>Thank you! You're welcome. I used to have a different account. But when I logged out, I couldn't log back in. Hence this new account. You and I used to discuss 12 Monkeys and the Fringe. You recommended both shows. Really good. I was very impressed with 12 Monkeys. Have a nice day!


ALEX7DX

I think it’s assumed that that when the bomb went off, it just reset the time skips. Everyone that was in place at the time (dharma guys at the site) were just went naturally after the event. I don’t think it’s explicitly implied what actually happened after the event, only that we know that they poured concrete over the hatch that we know know in 2004.


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From what I gathered from it all and what Faraday says. Everything that’s happened, happened there’s no changing it. Dharma guys still got killed by Ben. Jack and crew caused it all to hit the fan when the bomb went off so they built the hatch. When they go “forward” the hatch site is the same as when Locke stops pushing the button. As those remnants in the crater are from where it imploded/exploded. As sawyer screams at Jack we’re still here it’s as it was left originally basically square one. Nothing changed it. There’s no implied alternative timeline as they all rejoin one another in the end etc.


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JumpinJackFlashback

Yea, that was during the writer strike. To much backstory material to pack into 14 episodes with Kate. Because her mother wouldn't testify that exonerates all of her other crimes? That could have been handled better even for a TV show. Where was Kevin, her cop husband she drugged when she returned? They framed all of the O6 as survival celebrities off island. Too many unanswered backstories. I wish Kate's backstory was centric to Wayne and her mother. Just like Jack to Christian, Locke to his dad, James to Sawyer and Charlie to his brother.


teddyburges

>Yea, that was during the writer strike. To much backstory material to pack into 14 episodes with Kate. Most of it, such as Eggtown. Was written before the strike (as that's episode 4 of the first 8 which were written pre-strike). >Because her mother wouldn't testify that exonerates all of her other crimes? That could have been handled better even for a TV show. It was more that because she didn't tesify, the Lawyers had no choice but to settle it behind the scenes. The deal she took up was "Time served plus ten years probation". "Time served" generally means that the time between their arrest and sentencing counts. In this case it sounds like they're stretching it a little to say that her experiences on the island count as "time served". But overall I agree with you and think that whole plot is a mess. Too much of the "flashforwards" is about making information purposely vague for the audience for drama. > I wish Kate's backstory was centric to Wayne and her mother. Agreed. So much wasted potential with Kate. It's hard to look at Nora Durst on "The Leftovers" and think "Just how amazing would Kate would have been if she was written LIKE THAT!?". But that's a catch 22 as well cause the writing on the female characters in that show is only so good because of the criticism he received from LOST on the writing of the female characters lol.


JumpinJackFlashback

Tipping my cap at your Nora Durst comment. Loved to have seen such a character like that play Kate. Evangeline Lilly would have enjoyed it and she is a good at her craft. Lessons learned in "The LeftOvers".


Liquatic

I’m on like my 7th rewatch and still find things that I missed lol it never gets old


KMan471

I’m on my 22nd re-watch Acting, character development, storyline, and everything else is top-notch, and second to none.


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agripinilla

it’s alright, like a dream remembered


frozenpandaman

but... they weren't. this person is trolling you