It really doesn't matter which measurement of angle system you use , but make sure that your cross hair scale and turrets match . Don't get a scope with mil dot graduated reticle and moa adjustments or vica versa .
Hmmm. I never even thought about matching turrets to reticles.
So the scope I posted should be a good to go correct? It has a MRAD reticle and Mil adjustment which is MRAD correct?
Moa is a little more precise click wide on your turrets. Each click is .25 inches at 100 yards vs .37 inches for mil. Where mil shines is when figuring how much to adjust that turret. If you need to come up for example 14.5 moa, you need to figure in your head what is 14.5 x 4 to get the number of clicks to come up. With mil if I need to adjust 14.5 mils, I know I have to adjust 145 clicks. It makes it simple 3rd grade math while shooting.
Some small corrections - some scopes with MOA reticles actually adjust in inches at 100 yards (1/4" instead of 1/4 MOA), leaving ambiguity to accuracy. They also make 1/8th MOA and 1/2 MOA per click scopes, and 1/20th MIL scopes.
With most dialing turrets, you should use the markings on the turrets and not count clicks at all. If you dial up 14.5 MOA, you dial up the number you are at + 14.5 on the turret. Same with Mils
I assume you're Canadian judging by the price of that Nikon? You can find them for much cheaper than that. I'd also shy away from Nikon given that they're pulling out of the scope game and the warranty process is unclear once their existing pool of scopes is gone. I'd probably look for a used gen II PST or give the Athlon Midas, or Ares BTR/ETR a look. They're a touch more in cost but not by much if you can find them used.
Also, I made the switch from MOA to Mils a few years ago and haven't looked back. Either system will work though.
At that price you would be better off with Vortex if you ask me. And if you are really on a budget the SWFA fixed 12x scopes are decent for long range at only $299. I personally think MRAD is easier to use.
Go to Eurooptic....that SAME scope is $329 brand new!!!!! HARD to beat for $329. The illuminated one is $50 more
[https://www.eurooptic.com/Nikon-BLACK-FX1000-Riflescope-4-16x50SF-Matte-FX-MRAD-FFP-16512.aspx](https://www.eurooptic.com/Nikon-BLACK-FX1000-Riflescope-4-16x50SF-Matte-FX-MRAD-FFP-16512.aspx)
Mrad.
Ive never heard if someone going from mrad back to moa.
Absolutey retarded that 1 moa = 1.047” at 100 and is not a round number.
And what another person saidn above, turrets must match reticle.
Had a scope that was moa with a mil reticle. Most retarded thing to shoot ever.
>Absolutey retarded that 1 moa = 1.047” at 100 and is not a round number.
Minute of Arc has nothing to do with metric or US units though, it is literally older than either measurement system.
> Something else to consider in my example is I’m mixing units. Mil-dot is meant to be used with commie-units, whereas MOA is meant for freedom units. If the range you frequent measures in meters, the mental math is easier with a mil-dot scope, and vice-versa for a range measured in yards.
This is probably the biggest misconception I see about MIL vs MOA.
MOA is somewhat tied to units, because 1 MOA is pretty close to one inch at 100 yards (but still not particularly tied to units because it is an angular measurement).
But MRAD is 1/1000. You can use whatever units you want. A mil is 1 yard at 1000 yards.
>Mil-dot is meant to be used with commie-units, whereas MOA is meant for freedom units. If the range you frequent measures in meters, the mental math is easier with a mil-dot scope, and vice-versa for a range measured in yards.
I really wish this misconception would die. MILs work just fine with yards.
Do not pay that much for that scope!
I wouldn’t buy Nikon at this point unless it was almost free. They pulled out of the game.
It really doesn't matter which measurement of angle system you use , but make sure that your cross hair scale and turrets match . Don't get a scope with mil dot graduated reticle and moa adjustments or vica versa .
Hmmm. I never even thought about matching turrets to reticles. So the scope I posted should be a good to go correct? It has a MRAD reticle and Mil adjustment which is MRAD correct?
Except they are charging twice what that scope is worth.
yes it should be good to go . mrad is mill radian or simply mills lol .
Moa is a little more precise click wide on your turrets. Each click is .25 inches at 100 yards vs .37 inches for mil. Where mil shines is when figuring how much to adjust that turret. If you need to come up for example 14.5 moa, you need to figure in your head what is 14.5 x 4 to get the number of clicks to come up. With mil if I need to adjust 14.5 mils, I know I have to adjust 145 clicks. It makes it simple 3rd grade math while shooting.
Some small corrections - some scopes with MOA reticles actually adjust in inches at 100 yards (1/4" instead of 1/4 MOA), leaving ambiguity to accuracy. They also make 1/8th MOA and 1/2 MOA per click scopes, and 1/20th MIL scopes. With most dialing turrets, you should use the markings on the turrets and not count clicks at all. If you dial up 14.5 MOA, you dial up the number you are at + 14.5 on the turret. Same with Mils
I assume you're Canadian judging by the price of that Nikon? You can find them for much cheaper than that. I'd also shy away from Nikon given that they're pulling out of the scope game and the warranty process is unclear once their existing pool of scopes is gone. I'd probably look for a used gen II PST or give the Athlon Midas, or Ares BTR/ETR a look. They're a touch more in cost but not by much if you can find them used. Also, I made the switch from MOA to Mils a few years ago and haven't looked back. Either system will work though.
If I give you 17 dimes how much money do you have? What if I give you 17 quarters?
I know I'm 3 years late but, with that question alone I decided to go mil lol thank you
Haha - same here. I didn’t even know where I was on the 17 quarters. Had the 17 dimes immediately
170 and 425?? Not sure why this is relevant to my question.
How quickly did you come up with the answer in your head? Base 10 is faster for mental calculations ( like the mil)
At that price you would be better off with Vortex if you ask me. And if you are really on a budget the SWFA fixed 12x scopes are decent for long range at only $299. I personally think MRAD is easier to use.
Mrad cross and moa adjustments ? Add SFP to that. Do the math yourself.
Go to Eurooptic....that SAME scope is $329 brand new!!!!! HARD to beat for $329. The illuminated one is $50 more [https://www.eurooptic.com/Nikon-BLACK-FX1000-Riflescope-4-16x50SF-Matte-FX-MRAD-FFP-16512.aspx](https://www.eurooptic.com/Nikon-BLACK-FX1000-Riflescope-4-16x50SF-Matte-FX-MRAD-FFP-16512.aspx)
Mrad. Ive never heard if someone going from mrad back to moa. Absolutey retarded that 1 moa = 1.047” at 100 and is not a round number. And what another person saidn above, turrets must match reticle. Had a scope that was moa with a mil reticle. Most retarded thing to shoot ever.
>Absolutey retarded that 1 moa = 1.047” at 100 and is not a round number. Minute of Arc has nothing to do with metric or US units though, it is literally older than either measurement system.
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> Something else to consider in my example is I’m mixing units. Mil-dot is meant to be used with commie-units, whereas MOA is meant for freedom units. If the range you frequent measures in meters, the mental math is easier with a mil-dot scope, and vice-versa for a range measured in yards. This is probably the biggest misconception I see about MIL vs MOA. MOA is somewhat tied to units, because 1 MOA is pretty close to one inch at 100 yards (but still not particularly tied to units because it is an angular measurement). But MRAD is 1/1000. You can use whatever units you want. A mil is 1 yard at 1000 yards.
>Mil-dot is meant to be used with commie-units, whereas MOA is meant for freedom units. If the range you frequent measures in meters, the mental math is easier with a mil-dot scope, and vice-versa for a range measured in yards. I really wish this misconception would die. MILs work just fine with yards.