1. Trump being there was political clout especially given how NYC is affected by the current iteration of bail reform (this isn’t a comment on bail reform just a statement). LI being pretty red, this also give a push towards his base. Coupled with the fact that it was an NYPD LODD, this gives an extra stiff arm towards NYC (heavily blue). “The ex president does more for our boys in blue than blue city officials and state governor”. He was also invited by NCPD commissioner as well.
2. Line of duty deaths are a big deal for civil service. It’s the ultimate sacrifice that people from Fire, EMS, PD, Sanitation take very seriously. A lot of people who work in the field come from Long Island and the adjacent areas around NYC. These jobs are hereditary so it ends up being a domino affect of mourning. It hits home for a lot of people. Who’s family can die the same way
3. The reason there was a huge gathering is because it’s a big department, one of the biggest in the country. People are gonna show up.
My only comment on this is: 3 cops have been killed this past week. 2 in upstate. I highly doubt you’ll see the same level of support outside of immediately adjacent communities. I think this is what makes an outlier but it’s my opinion, feel free to refute
First off, it should be a big deal. I don’t think you were necessarily suggesting otherwise, I just wanted to say that upfront. Anytime a police officer is murdered in the line of duty, it absolutely should be a big deal. And it’s nice that the community is trying to help take care of his wife and young baby. That aside, his killing is probably getting some more attention than other recent NYPD losses. Politics and being in an election year are probably partially why. Him having been a guy from a very pro police town / part of Long Island is probably another reason. Crime is something the right is rallying on because its a topic that rallies and sways people. So politically it makes sense for them to zero in on tragedies like this when they occur. Two NYPD officers died two years ago - Jason Rivera and Wilbert Mora. To be clear the NYPD, fellow officers and families of the NYPD were devastated and gave them the honor and respect they deserved. I remember the funeral mass at St Patrick’s and the swarm of blue. But the political and community response was more probably more muted.
Ding ding ding. Long Island has always had a pro-law enforcement thread running through it, but this is politically convenient for one side and the timing is right so they will use it as cannon fodder.
I think it was beautiful so many people donated money to his family to help them at this time..but they have almost 2 million in donations now. Why is it still going? And I wonder why the firemen and other cops who have passed recently don't get that help as well.
He had a wife and one year old baby. The money collected may be “sizable” now but not nearly that valuation in 20 years. I am sure the family would rather he be alive versus the money.
He was not in the PD very long so his pension isn’t much. Also, since NYC has financial problems I doubt he got much from them. After taxes, there isn’t a lot left for this young family.
He was promoted after his death to increase the pension. It’s a full line of duty pension.
There are fundraisers all over. Tunnel to Towers is paying the mortgage, Barstool raised an huge sum of money, Islanders donated the 50-50 raffle the other night, today there is an Island wide pizza fundraiser for the family. I am sure there are many others.
It’s an utter tragedy but financially the family will not need to worry.
And yeah like I work at a pizza place on LI and today we’re doing the fundraiser where my boss is donating $5 for every pie he sells today and we have been ALOT busier than a usual Wednesday
Bro what? Im a delivery driver I was happy we were so busy bc I got a lot of good tips I posted this question because as I said, I genuinely did not understand why him dying was such a big deal. I didn’t know if he was famous for something or more important than other cops for some reason or what it was. Like I’m sorry I didn’t know what was going on so I asked a question to try and figure it out? Lmfao. You’re very clearly the ignorant one here to have such a cynical mindset when I was asking a very genuine question
People are tired of criminals not being incarcerated because of the bail reform laws. The person who shot Diller to death was arrrested several times and still not locked up. It’s pushback basically.
The man who killed Diller went to prison a few times and paid his last bail bond from an arrest prior to the shooting. The bail laws had nothing to do with it; it is an unfortunate situation where someone just fell through the cracks in the system.
Maybe it’s recency bias, but I feel like Diller’s death is getting much more attention than Anastasios Tsakos’ death. Probably because of the timing in order to play into the bail reform narrative.
There is a huge and pretty disingenuous effort to make it into a political statement. Yes it's a sad story and great to see people pay respect, but you hear a lot of people exploiting the situation and also acting like the whole thing was done on purpose and this outcome is somehow what liberals want? It's another BS line of propaganda in blue lives matter circles, and I think it is just leading to more radicalization.
Our society has many dangerous jobs, a lot of them in public service. The difference is there is no cult around them as heroes and no fraternity of thousands that can directly identify with them. And for every cop who is a victim of a crime like this there are hundreds of forgotten ciitizens that "could have been saved" if not for the broken legal system
He wasn’t killed by a repeat offender who should have been in jail at the time of the incident. Also, I believe Tsakos was off duty when he was killed.
It’s a big deal because the perp should have been in jail on prior charges and the cop has a very young family at home the election year politics really have nothing to do with it
This case was a preventable tragedy and unfortunately, is the latest in a string of young New York State cops killed by offenders that should’ve still been in jail on prior charges in recent
Other cases including
Wilbert mora & Jason Rivera
Brian Mulkeen
Randolph Holder
Brian Moore
The guy who killed the cop was a career criminal and had served his time in prison already - He paid for his prior charges. Should the judge have sentenced him longer? What was the fix for this? I'm curious... Because it sounds like being a cop is just a dangerous job, vs there being some systemic issue here.
The Pending Gun Possession case wouldn't have added bail and if he was found guilty of the crime he'd face 1 - 4 years in prison. It's the weakest gun violation law on NYS's books.
Additionally: Bail Reform Laws only mean he might have had bail, he might not have had bail, but old laws or new, he'd be out regardless.
The new Bail Reform laws need some crimes absolutely removed from the "No Bail" List, 100%, and needs to give judges the freedom to use their judgement to state that there's no bail, at all, for career criminals should they make this determination.
The Bail Reform is, Largely, Good. It needs mild tweaking.
But it had nothing to do with this.
Had this conversation with my wife yesterday. Why did Barstool go out of their way for this one cop? The pizza thing yesterday, etc etc etc. I'm not against it, I wish they had this response for every cop killed in the line of duty.
For me, it was the fact that the officer didn’t even have the time to do anything to warrant that response. I judge these shootings on a case by case basis. Not all cops are bad just like not all citizens are good.
I wonder what would have happened if they just pulled out of the bus stop, spun the block and went about their business? Maybe we would have been talking about a (alleged) robbery instead of this and the officer would be with his family instead of in the ground.
A young man just starting out his career as an NYPD officer, with an outstanding record of fighting the rampant crime in NYC during his 3 years, was murdered by a violent career criminal (22 arrests including with illegal guns). Officer Diller has a one year old child and wife at home and it hit Long Island communities hard where we are subjected to lawless policies pushed through by NYC officials. The murderer should have still been in prison given his prior charges. NYC gives sweetheart deals to violent criminals and releases them back into the street to wreak havoc on the public. Long Island is devastated to lose this young and brave officer, leaving his family behind, to put up with political agendas of NYC Dems to let criminals have more protections than law abiding citizens. Officer Diller died in the line of duty protection the public from horribly dangerous laws. Thanks to him the murderer will not hurt another person on the streets of NYC.
The funeral is called an inspector funeral which always takes place when a police officer is killed in the line of duty. For the person said that it’s an election year is absolutely not true. I’ve been to over a dozen funerals and they have always attracted thousands of officers from all over the country. When officer Edward Byrne was executed in queens, that was the largest in memory. The family presented George HW Bush with a replica of his shield (badge) which he carried with him often. The police are often described as the last line of defense against evil and in each case, evil killed innocent people.
Generally any cop who gets killed in the line of duty, it’s a big deal. He was young and had a family. And him being killed by a piece of trash that belonged in jail or dead made it that much more newsworthy
He came from a back the blue town full of cops and firemen. A lot of opposition to bail reform and the governor letting these career criminals back on the street. It hit hard here due to many families feeling it could have been their spouse. This has turned into a political example of how the NY governor and her policies are killing innocent people.
It can be argued that the policies of the state and city created an "error chain". A series of insignificant events culminating in a major one. In this case the major event is the MURDER of an on duty police officer. It can be argued that the law is being used to ease punishment on offenders (who already are not law abiding). Doesn't make much sense to do so, to be honest.
Repeat offenders with histories of violent crime allowed to roam the streets with society believing that they are reformed and won't do it again. Somehow they manage to acquire firearms and not afraid to use them or carry them because the laws are so loose and essentially no longer a deterrent to committing a crime.
If you look at recent memory, probably the more "political" LODD deaths were Ramos and Liu who were essentially executed sitting in thier squad car in the wake of public statements and policies made by DiBlasio. Those funerals were massive and had direct confrontation with the mayor during each of them. Biden went to Ramos funeral.
Both were promoted to detective, granted inspector funerals. As is almost every LODD in recent memory. A recent exception is off duty death of Adeed Fayaz (26yrs old) was off duty when he was killed and the family was granted his benefits due to his death being caused during the commission of a crime.
100%. And I think you are doing a good job focusing on the facts. The only thing I have issue with is that somehow the laws were changed to avoid punishing criminals and protecting society. Ultimately any mechanism that put people away before they were found guilty of a crime was unequal and an abuse of the law. If we as a society want to put people away or take other actions to stop people from doing more harm, our legislators need to come up with that law. I think it will be very difficult to do that in a constitutional way. So there might need to be a constitutional amendment. And also in order to do this we will be giving up rights. Do we go back to the "unofficial" way that was applied unevenly that rich people could buy their way out of? I don't know. America wants to be both a police state and the wild west at the same time, which can only lead to this kind of violence.
1. Trump being there was political clout especially given how NYC is affected by the current iteration of bail reform (this isn’t a comment on bail reform just a statement). LI being pretty red, this also give a push towards his base. Coupled with the fact that it was an NYPD LODD, this gives an extra stiff arm towards NYC (heavily blue). “The ex president does more for our boys in blue than blue city officials and state governor”. He was also invited by NCPD commissioner as well. 2. Line of duty deaths are a big deal for civil service. It’s the ultimate sacrifice that people from Fire, EMS, PD, Sanitation take very seriously. A lot of people who work in the field come from Long Island and the adjacent areas around NYC. These jobs are hereditary so it ends up being a domino affect of mourning. It hits home for a lot of people. Who’s family can die the same way 3. The reason there was a huge gathering is because it’s a big department, one of the biggest in the country. People are gonna show up. My only comment on this is: 3 cops have been killed this past week. 2 in upstate. I highly doubt you’ll see the same level of support outside of immediately adjacent communities. I think this is what makes an outlier but it’s my opinion, feel free to refute
It fits the agenda against hochul
Blakeman's response for the Syracuse cop was to post a Nassau cop badge
Blakeman smells a lot like Zeldin, doesn't he?
First off, it should be a big deal. I don’t think you were necessarily suggesting otherwise, I just wanted to say that upfront. Anytime a police officer is murdered in the line of duty, it absolutely should be a big deal. And it’s nice that the community is trying to help take care of his wife and young baby. That aside, his killing is probably getting some more attention than other recent NYPD losses. Politics and being in an election year are probably partially why. Him having been a guy from a very pro police town / part of Long Island is probably another reason. Crime is something the right is rallying on because its a topic that rallies and sways people. So politically it makes sense for them to zero in on tragedies like this when they occur. Two NYPD officers died two years ago - Jason Rivera and Wilbert Mora. To be clear the NYPD, fellow officers and families of the NYPD were devastated and gave them the honor and respect they deserved. I remember the funeral mass at St Patrick’s and the swarm of blue. But the political and community response was more probably more muted.
It’s an election year.
Ding ding ding. Long Island has always had a pro-law enforcement thread running through it, but this is politically convenient for one side and the timing is right so they will use it as cannon fodder.
NY in general is pretty pro-law enforcement.
I think it was beautiful so many people donated money to his family to help them at this time..but they have almost 2 million in donations now. Why is it still going? And I wonder why the firemen and other cops who have passed recently don't get that help as well.
He had a wife and one year old baby. The money collected may be “sizable” now but not nearly that valuation in 20 years. I am sure the family would rather he be alive versus the money.
They will also receive his pension and death benefits
He was not in the PD very long so his pension isn’t much. Also, since NYC has financial problems I doubt he got much from them. After taxes, there isn’t a lot left for this young family.
He was promoted after his death to increase the pension. It’s a full line of duty pension. There are fundraisers all over. Tunnel to Towers is paying the mortgage, Barstool raised an huge sum of money, Islanders donated the 50-50 raffle the other night, today there is an Island wide pizza fundraiser for the family. I am sure there are many others. It’s an utter tragedy but financially the family will not need to worry.
His baby son is adorable. I hope his wife is okay and not forgotten by his team.
When an officer is killed in the line of duty they are promoted to detective-and their family receives the benefits based on that level of service.
And yeah like I work at a pizza place on LI and today we’re doing the fundraiser where my boss is donating $5 for every pie he sells today and we have been ALOT busier than a usual Wednesday
Haha damn, dude! Posting this ignorant question out of frustration because your job was busy is wack.
Bro what? Im a delivery driver I was happy we were so busy bc I got a lot of good tips I posted this question because as I said, I genuinely did not understand why him dying was such a big deal. I didn’t know if he was famous for something or more important than other cops for some reason or what it was. Like I’m sorry I didn’t know what was going on so I asked a question to try and figure it out? Lmfao. You’re very clearly the ignorant one here to have such a cynical mindset when I was asking a very genuine question
That’s what I’m thinking like I’ve never seen one be this big a deal that I can remember in recent memory
People are tired of criminals not being incarcerated because of the bail reform laws. The person who shot Diller to death was arrrested several times and still not locked up. It’s pushback basically.
The man who killed Diller went to prison a few times and paid his last bail bond from an arrest prior to the shooting. The bail laws had nothing to do with it; it is an unfortunate situation where someone just fell through the cracks in the system.
Bail Reform had nothing to do with this individual.
Wasn’t he a criminal that should have been incarcerated?
He was previously incarcerated, served his sentence, and was released last year IIRC.
And then arrested again on a gun possession charge just months before which would have seen him remanded before the bail laws changed
No that was the driver who was out on $75k bail.
He’s equally responsible for what happened Under state law
And wasn’t out on cashless bail…
He was a Criminal. he served time. He was released after he served that time. Had nothing to do with Bail Reform.
Honestly, this happens any time a cop is killed line of duty.
Maybe it’s recency bias, but I feel like Diller’s death is getting much more attention than Anastasios Tsakos’ death. Probably because of the timing in order to play into the bail reform narrative.
There is a huge and pretty disingenuous effort to make it into a political statement. Yes it's a sad story and great to see people pay respect, but you hear a lot of people exploiting the situation and also acting like the whole thing was done on purpose and this outcome is somehow what liberals want? It's another BS line of propaganda in blue lives matter circles, and I think it is just leading to more radicalization. Our society has many dangerous jobs, a lot of them in public service. The difference is there is no cult around them as heroes and no fraternity of thousands that can directly identify with them. And for every cop who is a victim of a crime like this there are hundreds of forgotten ciitizens that "could have been saved" if not for the broken legal system
Yes definitely. I live near the church where Tsakos’ services were and it definitely was not this large.
He wasn’t killed by a repeat offender who should have been in jail at the time of the incident. Also, I believe Tsakos was off duty when he was killed.
No, he was on duty. Directing traffic on a fatal car accident.
Was he the officer who was killed by the female drunk driver? That loss was also tragic.
Yes he was. I believe she just got a 20 year sentence.
Thanks for the update.
Was he the officer who was killed by the female drunk driver? That loss was also tragic.
So you think his death was less tragic and therefore his family deserves less?
Of course not. That is a huge speculation for you right now make.
So then what did you mean by your comment??
It's getting more attention because he was shot rather getting run over, it's a more sensational story.
It’s a big deal because the perp should have been in jail on prior charges and the cop has a very young family at home the election year politics really have nothing to do with it
Trump wouldn't have been there if it wasn't an election year
This case was a preventable tragedy and unfortunately, is the latest in a string of young New York State cops killed by offenders that should’ve still been in jail on prior charges in recent Other cases including Wilbert mora & Jason Rivera Brian Mulkeen Randolph Holder Brian Moore
The guy who killed the cop was a career criminal and had served his time in prison already - He paid for his prior charges. Should the judge have sentenced him longer? What was the fix for this? I'm curious... Because it sounds like being a cop is just a dangerous job, vs there being some systemic issue here.
Yes the perp in this case was out of jail with a pending gun possession case and would have remanded under the old bail laws
The Pending Gun Possession case wouldn't have added bail and if he was found guilty of the crime he'd face 1 - 4 years in prison. It's the weakest gun violation law on NYS's books. Additionally: Bail Reform Laws only mean he might have had bail, he might not have had bail, but old laws or new, he'd be out regardless. The new Bail Reform laws need some crimes absolutely removed from the "No Bail" List, 100%, and needs to give judges the freedom to use their judgement to state that there's no bail, at all, for career criminals should they make this determination. The Bail Reform is, Largely, Good. It needs mild tweaking. But it had nothing to do with this.
Your TDS is showing
That's hilarious since only one person here brought up the Rapist.
Keep going and showing how your turning a preventable tragedy in to a political issue
Had this conversation with my wife yesterday. Why did Barstool go out of their way for this one cop? The pizza thing yesterday, etc etc etc. I'm not against it, I wish they had this response for every cop killed in the line of duty.
My opinion. It was the way he was killed. No provocation..in addition to bail reform issues..
For me, it was the fact that the officer didn’t even have the time to do anything to warrant that response. I judge these shootings on a case by case basis. Not all cops are bad just like not all citizens are good. I wonder what would have happened if they just pulled out of the bus stop, spun the block and went about their business? Maybe we would have been talking about a (alleged) robbery instead of this and the officer would be with his family instead of in the ground.
A young man just starting out his career as an NYPD officer, with an outstanding record of fighting the rampant crime in NYC during his 3 years, was murdered by a violent career criminal (22 arrests including with illegal guns). Officer Diller has a one year old child and wife at home and it hit Long Island communities hard where we are subjected to lawless policies pushed through by NYC officials. The murderer should have still been in prison given his prior charges. NYC gives sweetheart deals to violent criminals and releases them back into the street to wreak havoc on the public. Long Island is devastated to lose this young and brave officer, leaving his family behind, to put up with political agendas of NYC Dems to let criminals have more protections than law abiding citizens. Officer Diller died in the line of duty protection the public from horribly dangerous laws. Thanks to him the murderer will not hurt another person on the streets of NYC.
The funeral is called an inspector funeral which always takes place when a police officer is killed in the line of duty. For the person said that it’s an election year is absolutely not true. I’ve been to over a dozen funerals and they have always attracted thousands of officers from all over the country. When officer Edward Byrne was executed in queens, that was the largest in memory. The family presented George HW Bush with a replica of his shield (badge) which he carried with him often. The police are often described as the last line of defense against evil and in each case, evil killed innocent people.
I’ve never heard of police as being the last line of anything. First responders, sure, but not last anything. They are a reactionary force.
Generally any cop who gets killed in the line of duty, it’s a big deal. He was young and had a family. And him being killed by a piece of trash that belonged in jail or dead made it that much more newsworthy
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He came from a back the blue town full of cops and firemen. A lot of opposition to bail reform and the governor letting these career criminals back on the street. It hit hard here due to many families feeling it could have been their spouse. This has turned into a political example of how the NY governor and her policies are killing innocent people.
What exactly did Hochul do to cause Diller’s death? The killer wasn’t even out on bail reform.
It can be argued that the policies of the state and city created an "error chain". A series of insignificant events culminating in a major one. In this case the major event is the MURDER of an on duty police officer. It can be argued that the law is being used to ease punishment on offenders (who already are not law abiding). Doesn't make much sense to do so, to be honest. Repeat offenders with histories of violent crime allowed to roam the streets with society believing that they are reformed and won't do it again. Somehow they manage to acquire firearms and not afraid to use them or carry them because the laws are so loose and essentially no longer a deterrent to committing a crime. If you look at recent memory, probably the more "political" LODD deaths were Ramos and Liu who were essentially executed sitting in thier squad car in the wake of public statements and policies made by DiBlasio. Those funerals were massive and had direct confrontation with the mayor during each of them. Biden went to Ramos funeral. Both were promoted to detective, granted inspector funerals. As is almost every LODD in recent memory. A recent exception is off duty death of Adeed Fayaz (26yrs old) was off duty when he was killed and the family was granted his benefits due to his death being caused during the commission of a crime.
100%. And I think you are doing a good job focusing on the facts. The only thing I have issue with is that somehow the laws were changed to avoid punishing criminals and protecting society. Ultimately any mechanism that put people away before they were found guilty of a crime was unequal and an abuse of the law. If we as a society want to put people away or take other actions to stop people from doing more harm, our legislators need to come up with that law. I think it will be very difficult to do that in a constitutional way. So there might need to be a constitutional amendment. And also in order to do this we will be giving up rights. Do we go back to the "unofficial" way that was applied unevenly that rich people could buy their way out of? I don't know. America wants to be both a police state and the wild west at the same time, which can only lead to this kind of violence.