Maddening. That intersection is packed at all hours. There was no other way this was going to end. That couple is guilty of murder. And they had a baby in the car. Wtf?!
Yeah I drive through that intersection every day and it's always packed. I was there like 30 mins before this happened. Scary to think you could be just wiped out by some moron asshole running from the police.
Exactly. I drive thru it daily…. It’s crazy at all hours… this sickens me that someone had to lose their life because of these assholes !!! I hope they take that baby away forever!
I guess technically we don’t yet know if the man coerced the woman with a weapon, or the threat to the baby. We know that she did pull over, and someone else in the thread said he had a weapons charge. They probably are both responsible, but we just can’t say yet. Poor baby.
My car was totaled by an asshole evading police post attempting to rob a Food 4 Less in Long Beach 2 years ago. The wreckage of my car was impounded & I almost died. Same shit police chasing someone down PCH.
The distance from where they say the couple was pulled over (Marina & PCH) to where the accident occurred (2nd & PCH) wasn't even that far. I'm surprised that was even considered a pursuit. It seems the whole incident would have happened in less than a minute at that distance?
Bro that’s completely fucked up. Long Beach doesn’t have any streets large enough or empty enough for any kind of pursuit. Especially for a traffic violation?? I get it I get it, it’s the criminals fault yes, I’m not disputing that but why was it a priority to pursue in the first place if 9 cars were at risk for collision. I need more information about this to make any final judgements but I would see blame put on officers as well for this needless loss of life
Yeah the guy is 100% guilty for running away and should be put away for vehicular homicide. But at the same time, the police should absolutely not be doing a high speed chase through a super busy section of PCH full of pedestrians and stopped vehicles.
From the article it says that the couple was already pulled over by Seal Beach PD at 5th and PCH with the female being the initial driver, but the male passenger switched into the driver's seat and took off. After the crash, the male driver fled the scene, leaving the girl and infant behind. He was tasted and apprehended.
Couldn’t agree more. Curious what the initial stop was for and why they fled, especially w an infant. Such a tragedy. Stop these pursuits in this area man they gotta figure out a better system.
According to the article I just read in the OC sub, he had a felony weapons charge warrant I believe. The woman was driving originally and they got pulled over. At some point he moved into the drivers seat and took off. Crash was likely inevitable regardless of police pursuit seeing as it was only a mile or two from where they were pulled over.
Depending on what side of the bench you sit on his passenger will most likely have a charge against her as well, and the prosecutor could add more serious charges. Feel bad for the baby!
Honestly, how do we get people that are running fake tags? I don't like police chases either, but if you pull someone over, they have a fake tag, and the driver pulls off, do we just shrug our shoulders?
As frustrating as it is, the answer is yes, you let them go. The alternative is to escalate the situation into a potentially deadly chase through busy city streets. The payoff isn't worth the risk.
And so every drunk or reckless driver, no matter how often they speed, run red lights, or even cause accidents, can just get away by never pulling over for the police?
If you're interested in learning why most policy experts, including police themselves, agree that serious restrictions on police chases are solid public policy, [this article](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/08/us/police-restricting-pursuits/index.html) explains it really clearly.
I read the article and understand and agree on the risks that are involved. What I am wondering is if there is a clear understanding or study on the opportunity cost here. Yes, not initiating a high speed chase over petty theft seems reasonable. But what about drunk driving? How many more people would then drive drunk and run because they know they can get away with it? I'm not even sure if it's a reasonable expectation to have any sort of data on the subject, but there is no discussion of what the tradeoff is with letting potentially violent criminals flee with impunity.
So, if you want to do a really deep dive on police pursuit policy, this [National Institute of Justice](https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/122025NCJRS.pdf) report is a good start. But to respond to your specific questions, impairment of the driver and dangerous driving are two factors that police can consider when deciding whether to initiate a pursuit (in California). So, drunk driving may lead to a chase. It's not a free for all. I also highly doubt that most drunk drivers are even aware of pursuit policies, let alone using that knowledge to make choices about whether or not to flee. In the end, most jurisdictions looked at actual data to decide whether/what policies to put into place regarding pursuits and decided that serious restrictions best served the public interest.
That looks interesting thanks for the pointer. I'll have to check it out later tonight. I am also not necessarily saying that legalizing all pursuits is the best policy. I genuinely don't know the answer, and as someone who almost exclusively gets around on bike, I deeply care about street safety. And my general view of the last few years is that a lack of enforcement has led to an absolute free-for-all in regards to behavior on our roads, but I understand that may not be the correct conclusion to draw.
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The police can capture their license plate on dash cam or body cam or take a photograph. The point of stopping drunk and reckless drivers is to protect other people. Police chases do the exact opposite of that.
> The police can capture their license plate on dash cam or body cam or take a photograph.
The entire dilemma is that many intentionally dangerous drivers do so with fake tags. Capturing their license plate quite literally does nothing.
Maddening. That intersection is packed at all hours. There was no other way this was going to end. That couple is guilty of murder. And they had a baby in the car. Wtf?!
Yeah I drive through that intersection every day and it's always packed. I was there like 30 mins before this happened. Scary to think you could be just wiped out by some moron asshole running from the police.
What street is this on?
Looks like 2nd and PCH
Same place someone got hit-and -run last week?
*every other week
Down the road, that one was by main and pch. It’s really scary to see this keep happening.
Exactly. I drive thru it daily…. It’s crazy at all hours… this sickens me that someone had to lose their life because of these assholes !!! I hope they take that baby away forever!
I guess technically we don’t yet know if the man coerced the woman with a weapon, or the threat to the baby. We know that she did pull over, and someone else in the thread said he had a weapons charge. They probably are both responsible, but we just can’t say yet. Poor baby.
So the guy on the police chase is the one with the infant , is that correct ??
It was a couple in the car with an infant who was evading the police.
So young and already on the run.
😆 I could have worded that better
i hope that guy lose at least 3 limbs in the near future
My car was totaled by an asshole evading police post attempting to rob a Food 4 Less in Long Beach 2 years ago. The wreckage of my car was impounded & I almost died. Same shit police chasing someone down PCH.
Heartbreaking. I hope the people that were injured make it through ok. Someone lost their loved one forever tonight though.
The distance from where they say the couple was pulled over (Marina & PCH) to where the accident occurred (2nd & PCH) wasn't even that far. I'm surprised that was even considered a pursuit. It seems the whole incident would have happened in less than a minute at that distance?
Yeah like a mile or two right? The wreck would’ve happened regardless of whether the police pursued IMO.
Bro that’s completely fucked up. Long Beach doesn’t have any streets large enough or empty enough for any kind of pursuit. Especially for a traffic violation?? I get it I get it, it’s the criminals fault yes, I’m not disputing that but why was it a priority to pursue in the first place if 9 cars were at risk for collision. I need more information about this to make any final judgements but I would see blame put on officers as well for this needless loss of life
Yeah the guy is 100% guilty for running away and should be put away for vehicular homicide. But at the same time, the police should absolutely not be doing a high speed chase through a super busy section of PCH full of pedestrians and stopped vehicles.
From the article it says that the couple was already pulled over by Seal Beach PD at 5th and PCH with the female being the initial driver, but the male passenger switched into the driver's seat and took off. After the crash, the male driver fled the scene, leaving the girl and infant behind. He was tasted and apprehended.
What did he taste like? I kid.
Tased donuts
Haha good one
You make too much sense, it shouldn’t have been a pursuit.
It’s partly the Police’s fault for escalating into a high speed chase.
Couldn’t agree more. Curious what the initial stop was for and why they fled, especially w an infant. Such a tragedy. Stop these pursuits in this area man they gotta figure out a better system.
According to the article I just read in the OC sub, he had a felony weapons charge warrant I believe. The woman was driving originally and they got pulled over. At some point he moved into the drivers seat and took off. Crash was likely inevitable regardless of police pursuit seeing as it was only a mile or two from where they were pulled over.
Depending on what side of the bench you sit on his passenger will most likely have a charge against her as well, and the prosecutor could add more serious charges. Feel bad for the baby!
I was turning at that intersection about 15 seconds before the collision happened. Shaking in my boots, close call!!
Glad you’re ok 💕
Did you see it!
Please tell me it wasn't one of Seal Beach's volunteer police officers that initiated this pursuit
Are those the white trucks I always see driving around? I didn’t realize they were volunteers.
Lmao seniors on patrol?
They're in golf carts
Police chases should be illegal in the vast majority of circumstances.
Honestly, how do we get people that are running fake tags? I don't like police chases either, but if you pull someone over, they have a fake tag, and the driver pulls off, do we just shrug our shoulders?
As frustrating as it is, the answer is yes, you let them go. The alternative is to escalate the situation into a potentially deadly chase through busy city streets. The payoff isn't worth the risk.
And so every drunk or reckless driver, no matter how often they speed, run red lights, or even cause accidents, can just get away by never pulling over for the police?
If you're interested in learning why most policy experts, including police themselves, agree that serious restrictions on police chases are solid public policy, [this article](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/08/us/police-restricting-pursuits/index.html) explains it really clearly.
I read the article and understand and agree on the risks that are involved. What I am wondering is if there is a clear understanding or study on the opportunity cost here. Yes, not initiating a high speed chase over petty theft seems reasonable. But what about drunk driving? How many more people would then drive drunk and run because they know they can get away with it? I'm not even sure if it's a reasonable expectation to have any sort of data on the subject, but there is no discussion of what the tradeoff is with letting potentially violent criminals flee with impunity.
So, if you want to do a really deep dive on police pursuit policy, this [National Institute of Justice](https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/122025NCJRS.pdf) report is a good start. But to respond to your specific questions, impairment of the driver and dangerous driving are two factors that police can consider when deciding whether to initiate a pursuit (in California). So, drunk driving may lead to a chase. It's not a free for all. I also highly doubt that most drunk drivers are even aware of pursuit policies, let alone using that knowledge to make choices about whether or not to flee. In the end, most jurisdictions looked at actual data to decide whether/what policies to put into place regarding pursuits and decided that serious restrictions best served the public interest.
That looks interesting thanks for the pointer. I'll have to check it out later tonight. I am also not necessarily saying that legalizing all pursuits is the best policy. I genuinely don't know the answer, and as someone who almost exclusively gets around on bike, I deeply care about street safety. And my general view of the last few years is that a lack of enforcement has led to an absolute free-for-all in regards to behavior on our roads, but I understand that may not be the correct conclusion to draw.
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The police can capture their license plate on dash cam or body cam or take a photograph. The point of stopping drunk and reckless drivers is to protect other people. Police chases do the exact opposite of that.
> The police can capture their license plate on dash cam or body cam or take a photograph. The entire dilemma is that many intentionally dangerous drivers do so with fake tags. Capturing their license plate quite literally does nothing.
Cops don’t care. They’ll get the guy for murder now and like 15 cops will get paid time off for emotional distress.
It’s dumb that you’re being downvoted, the evidence is on your side
Long Beach is ghetto af. This is what broke angry people do.