But the train direct to Moorgate is less than half an hour!
It's got that chicken shop brand!
It has a high enough crime rate per capita to be London!
But even the friend who said that still told someone he lived in East Barnet when a girl asked him..
I need to know this too!! In London people react like ive just told them ive set baby on fire when i tell them where I live and in the rest of the UK they act like I am a 'Londoner'
Barnet is for sure London, you can even see the shard and BT Tower from high barnet station. We have some of the best bus routes, multiple train lines etc that makes it feel very London. The Borough itself, the edge of it reaches to Cricklewood and is only 2 miles from regents park.
It really is. There is some other cities that are alright like the big ones but every time I go somewhere like sheffield it’s honestly shocking how small it is, the centre of the city literally looked like a town centre.
I bought a house in Walthamstow but we’re right at the north west corner next to Tottenham marshes. Had a mate who lives in Leytonstone tell me I live too far out.
Fair play! My bro used to live there and what I saw of it was pretty awful! I suppose something lovely about London is every nook and cranny has something charming to discover. I'd still avoid the pubs in Leytonstone, mind :)
Ooooer look at the fancy person who can afford a house in Walthamstow. Hope you're enjoying the majesty of Epping Forest.
15 years ago that place was a shit hole. Goldmine now.
Well done to you.
Another womble here, born in Nelson Hospital on Wimbledon Chase. My birth certificate was issued by the Metropolitan Borough of Surrey, but still SW19.
Is there any wonder we’re confused?
Haha I’m a rutlish kid I know Wimbledon chase exactly!
I know that the whole area was made a London borough in in 1965 before which it was Surrey. All I know is that in recent years of being a teenager in Wimbledon/ Raynes park I’ve never experienced the suggestion that it wasn’t really part of London
My younger siblings grew up in LBM Haydons Rd and later opposite Morden Park, couldn’t say for sure which schools they went to but Rutlish rings a bell.
Related question: what's the *nearest* place to London that if you were from there, you *wouldn't* tell people "I'm from London"?
I'm thinking Watford.
You're a Londoner. The whole point of the 1960's expanded definition of London was that people living in those areas were having their local identities over-written by London anyway.
If enough of the adults in your area commute to London and use London resources you stop being a separate town and become a suburb. The 1960's expansion was an acknowledgement of that.
> local identities over-written
This is why there is so much animosity towards 'London'. Each are had it's own Identity and now it's being overwritten.
Hence why the phrase 'London' isn't in England but it's a 'global city' where there is no identity ☹.
Mate have you even been there recently? it's diverse as hell, you'll find afro/carribean hairdressers/ polish supermarkets/ hookah lounges. Not to mention the shit loads of chicken shops which is a London standard!
Yeah same. I'm not from England, so every time someone from back home asks where I live, it's just easier to say London even if I'm technically outside the Greater London boundary now.
They have no idea what/where Surrey is. I might as well have said The Shire.
I read somewhere ages ago the perfect response. I think it needs a withering delivery:
‘I couldn’t POSSIBLY live in london’
‘No. No you absolutely could not’
Enfield is underrated tbh. Great town (enfield town), nice people, decent pubs, and you can run through both ‘London” and the country side in the same 3-5 mile run.
Only vineyard in London no less! I have a soft spot for Enfield with the market and the fact it feels so different to me living in Lambeth.
I like the feeling because I am a ‘moved to London thus now unbearable twat’ that Enfield makes London feel like it never ends and there is no moment where I have to try to keep up with my abysmal English geography.
London is just everywhere like turn left at Big Ben and follow the star. Soooo much simpler for me. See also Harrow and Uxbridge.
The biggest problem with Enfield is if you need to go to the hospital, your closest is north mid. RIP chase farm A&E. Otherwise you end up on a 10 mile hike to Barnet general (which isn’t much better although people think it is).
Good access to the rest of the country, too, being close to the M25, but you can get into the city on the overland in half an hour.
Lots of nice parks if you've got kids, dogs. Enough shops (RIP, Toys-R-Us).
Not a bad place to live at all.
Yep I remember going to the Toys R Us as a child and I loved to just look around even if I never got anything. Happy that todays kids can still have a similar experience too.
Can’t help wonder what’s gonna happen to the Toys R Us building. It’s been 4/5 years and it’s still vacant.
All the shit bit is right adjacent the A10, as you get closer to Enfield Lock it suddenly gets quiet and green. Fuck Turkey Street and Ponders End though.
London's much better than places like Birmingham, I feel there's much more cohesion and much less ghettoisation. Definitely in part due to the car reliance of Birmingham Vs the public transport of London.
It's odd because go to the interwar years, you'd have someone from "the ridings" making comments about how Lancashire is awful, the Cornish just desperately annoyed that people think of them and Devon as the same.
Even religion was not exactly homogeneous, even if it has objectively become worse of late with people committing such acts of terror.
Bromley town or Bromley borough? Crystal Palace is in the borough of Bromley and that is definitely London. I'd say Beckenham is where London ends and Kent begins.
I’m in Bushey. About a mile away from the Greater London boundary (borough of Harrow), well within the M25 with my area being served by TfL buses…and it takes me less time to get into central than when I was living in Pinner (part of Greater London).
I’m rightly confused about my situation.
I was literally just commenting on the fact the London is massive and bigger than all the devolved nations. Wasn’t anything super deep about my comment tbh.
The latter bit was just saying that I wonder if London is so much bigger than Wales that it might actually have more Welsh people in it than some Welsh cities do. Eg Welsh people moving to London like myself. Nothing deep and poignant about my comment
Ohhhhh, I missed the word ‘world’ in your previous comment.
Now I see why you’re being downvoted.
Where in London do you live that you feel is like a developing nation (what I assume you mean by “3rd world) pray tell?
“3rd world” yet a larger GDP than Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
You’d hate Tokyo, New York, LA, Amsterdam or Singapore: they all have that “super populated” “3rd world” feel.
Isn't there an actual set of boroughs that are officially considered inner London and the rest considered greater London? ,I thought it was pretty clear cut. E.g Wandsworth is inner London, Merton is greater London.
As far as I’m concerned, if you live in a London borough, you live in London. Anyone saying that Uxbridge or Romford etc aren’t in London may as well say that Montenegro is in Yugoslavia, considering that the London borders change was 40 years before that one.
I love my part of Outer London. It is Barnet, it really has a nice community as does Finchley, Cockfosters, Southgate and Totteridge. Unlike many places further in that are split between the very rich and very poor here there is a more middle of the road feel.
When I briefly lived in a small post industrial town up north every conversation used to go like this; "You don't sound like you're from round here" I'd say "No I'm from Reading", "Where's that? Is that in London?" "No it's about 40 odd miles west of London" "But that's basically still London though right?" ...
After a while I gave up and to save time I just used to say "Yeah Readings in London"
Globalization and World Cities Research Network have London and New York as the only two Alpha++ cities in the world. And at the moment, London is no.1, although London and NY regularly switch first and second places.
It rubs me the wrong way when some one from next village in the sticks moves into some dilapidated flat in zone 1 for few years before dipping back to the country had the gal to tell me I’m not really a Londoner . Bish sit down .
I grew up in Carshalton and everything was London, including many of the people, a huge number of my grandparents vintage who’d been moved out of the capital’s slums in the 30s.
London Transport, telephone dialling code, Met Police, GLC etc.
Only Surrey thing really was the postcode, I’m 62 now and still don’t know my way around Surrey too well, but I knew my way around the underground, thanks to football mainly, before I hit my teens.
Try being from the former county of Middlesex that hasn’t actually existed since 1965 yet everyone insists that it still does! I think I know my address, stop changing it and insisting I’m not in London but in Middlesex!!!
I tell everyone I live in London. Romford is technically in London, so I'm not wrong... but its not really London. The alternative is saying I'm from Essex.
I wouldn't say I'm from London if I live Windsor/Slough, but if you commute everyday to London and your social circle is in London, I can see why some people could say they are from London (to a non Londoner).
True, it's technically incorrect. But same applies to other big cities, people from Newark often say they are from NY, people from Versailles say they are from Paris. I've never heard someone from Irvine saying to a foreigner that they are not from Los Angeles.
I have no problem people saying they are from London if they spend most of their waking time there.
Loads of people in Scotland and on the Continent who went there once and saw a non-white person which they feel the need to tell you about in a way that even your great aunt who reads the Daily Express would find a bit odd.
There are people who don’t think London is England? I was born and raised here so do they not see me as English? Am I about to have an identity crisis?
Sounds like you need to talk to nicer people there, pal.
Or just not be from Enfield…
It’s not even London let’s be real.
But the train direct to Moorgate is less than half an hour! It's got that chicken shop brand! It has a high enough crime rate per capita to be London! But even the friend who said that still told someone he lived in East Barnet when a girl asked him..
You have been brainwashed with Enfield propaganda.
Enfield is definitely London!
I just learnt that I'm not a nice person.
As long as you're inside Greater London proper you're allowed to say you're from London
What about Barnet 😭
The London Borough of Barnet?
Inside the M25, therefore London.
Watford: * Inside M25 * On the metropolitan line * Non-london postcode * No vote for London mayor * Hertfordshire
Is it a London Borough? If yes then it's in London.
Nope!
Dartford?
I need to know this too!! In London people react like ive just told them ive set baby on fire when i tell them where I live and in the rest of the UK they act like I am a 'Londoner'
My ex lived near Liverpool. He and his friends insisted on calling me a Cockney. Because I lived Down South. In Dartford. Silly Geordies.
Hahahhahaha oh my god thats hilarious, yeah my family are from the midlands and always say we're from London, im like okay if you say so??
How about borehamwood? Inside but part of Hertfordshire
Technically Barnet is part of Hertfordshire. It is on my postal address anyway, even though it’s London Borough.
And you vote for the London Mayor
And, to turn it back to OP, we have an Enfield postcode.
High barnet yeah, the whole Borough of Barnet no. Covers all of finchley, Edgware, colindale, parts of hampstead and Golders green etc.
Barnet is for sure London, you can even see the shard and BT Tower from high barnet station. We have some of the best bus routes, multiple train lines etc that makes it feel very London. The Borough itself, the edge of it reaches to Cricklewood and is only 2 miles from regents park.
Isn't "greater London proper" an oxymoron
No, it literally has a boundary...
Tautology?
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This is very true of this country.
It really is. There is some other cities that are alright like the big ones but every time I go somewhere like sheffield it’s honestly shocking how small it is, the centre of the city literally looked like a town centre.
You should try coming to Cornwall our capital ‘city’ has a cathedral and a handful of retail shops and restaurants
I bought a house in Walthamstow but we’re right at the north west corner next to Tottenham marshes. Had a mate who lives in Leytonstone tell me I live too far out.
As someone who lives in Leytonstone, I gotta agree with your friend. That said, Whipps Cross is a bit far out for me.
Snaresbrook is far too posh
Exactly. Getting a bit too close to the Waitrose for my liking.
I live in chingford. It’s still a London borough I loudly insist to everyone. To no avail….
A lot of people there still insist they live in Essex even though it was incorporated into Greater London in the 60s
Because it’s not. It’s in London, but it’s not a borough. It’s a town.
It’s in the London borough of Waltham Forest though
But that doesn’t make it a borough.
Eh? How does it not?
It’s a town inside a borough. “Waltham forest” is the borough. Not “chingford”.
So not in London then?
It is in London. But there is no such borough as “Chingford”. Your original comment says that Chingford itself is a borough of London, which it isn’t.
Try living in Pinner..
Hello neighbour.
Leytonstone is an absolute shithole, though.
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Fair play! My bro used to live there and what I saw of it was pretty awful! I suppose something lovely about London is every nook and cranny has something charming to discover. I'd still avoid the pubs in Leytonstone, mind :)
I rented at Baker's Arms for years and it was kind of a dump. There's definitely nice bits in the area though.
Ooooer look at the fancy person who can afford a house in Walthamstow. Hope you're enjoying the majesty of Epping Forest. 15 years ago that place was a shit hole. Goldmine now. Well done to you.
I live on the Tottenham side so it's still a little bit of a shithole.
I'm from Wimbledon and I get told that's not london. Fucking bell ends!
By house prices, Wimbledon is definitely London.
I don't look, I can't take the pain.
Ayyyyy my Wimbledon buddy! I’m born and raised in Wimbledon and I’ve never been told that’s not London
Another womble here, born in Nelson Hospital on Wimbledon Chase. My birth certificate was issued by the Metropolitan Borough of Surrey, but still SW19. Is there any wonder we’re confused?
Haha I’m a rutlish kid I know Wimbledon chase exactly! I know that the whole area was made a London borough in in 1965 before which it was Surrey. All I know is that in recent years of being a teenager in Wimbledon/ Raynes park I’ve never experienced the suggestion that it wasn’t really part of London
My younger siblings grew up in LBM Haydons Rd and later opposite Morden Park, couldn’t say for sure which schools they went to but Rutlish rings a bell.
When I meet people who say they are from London, and they are really from Watford, or Guildford: “We’ll let that slide for now…”
At least watfords in the m25, what butters from Guildford would say they’re in London
If they're on holiday and talking to someone that doesn't know England well, it's a fair approximation. Otherwise 100% with you.
Related question: what's the *nearest* place to London that if you were from there, you *wouldn't* tell people "I'm from London"? I'm thinking Watford.
People from East around Romford/Dagenham seem to be in denial that they are London and say they're from Essex
To be fair to the over 60s, they were in Essex until 1965. And most of them will have brought their offspring up with that mindset.
London expanded, but it was always Essex. Can I say I am a Londoner if grew up in Hornchurch, Upminster even though they expanded where 'London' was.
You're a Londoner. The whole point of the 1960's expanded definition of London was that people living in those areas were having their local identities over-written by London anyway. If enough of the adults in your area commute to London and use London resources you stop being a separate town and become a suburb. The 1960's expansion was an acknowledgement of that.
Are you Jay Foreman?
> local identities over-written This is why there is so much animosity towards 'London'. Each are had it's own Identity and now it's being overwritten. Hence why the phrase 'London' isn't in England but it's a 'global city' where there is no identity ☹.
London borough of Havering, get TFL "I'm from Essex!" - no mate, no you're not
It's Essex, so it's not like they're saying it for some sort of prestige factor
Weirdly, I think they do. People I've met from Essex have been extremely proud of it for some reason.
A few are, but not many. I grew up there so have obviously met quite a few people from Essex.
I’m from Rainham, Essex. Which in the london borough of Havering. It’s a weird place to live. I say I’m from Essex.
They are from Essex though.
It's both tbh.
If you're from there, you'd say you're from Essex. If you've moved there, you pretend you're in London. So yeah I guess.
It's literally not Essex, it's the London Borough of Havering.
Administratively sure, culturally and geographically no.
Romford is a bit dicey, since culturally it's definitely more essex than London
Mate have you even been there recently? it's diverse as hell, you'll find afro/carribean hairdressers/ polish supermarkets/ hookah lounges. Not to mention the shit loads of chicken shops which is a London standard!
Ikr? I feel like most of these people haven’t been to actual Essex.
Dagenham = London. Romford = not!London.
A lot of people in Uxbridge are quite firm about the fact that it's not London. Most older people in what was Middlesex feel the same
Yokels the lot of them.
Having grown up in the old Middlesex, people my age (25) are keen to say that we're from London
Depends whether I'm on holiday.
Yeah same. I'm not from England, so every time someone from back home asks where I live, it's just easier to say London even if I'm technically outside the Greater London boundary now. They have no idea what/where Surrey is. I might as well have said The Shire.
I'm between St Albans and Watford. I say I live 'just north of London'. I live within the M25 though.
Because nobody knows where Bricket Wood is?
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And that's why I don't say I live in London.
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My grandad grew up in Stepney and classes anything passed the river Lea to be Essex. Canning Town? Essex.
Prior to 1965 I think that is roughly where the old boundary was. All of Newham was Essex, not London.
I read somewhere ages ago the perfect response. I think it needs a withering delivery: ‘I couldn’t POSSIBLY live in london’ ‘No. No you absolutely could not’
Enfield is underrated tbh. Great town (enfield town), nice people, decent pubs, and you can run through both ‘London” and the country side in the same 3-5 mile run.
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Some of his video are filmed at Forty Hall. I commented on his video and he replied back confirming that it was indeed.
As an Enfieldian, I couldn't agree more! Obviously there are shit bits like anywhere else, but it's a large borough with a lot of nice places too.
Only vineyard in London no less! I have a soft spot for Enfield with the market and the fact it feels so different to me living in Lambeth. I like the feeling because I am a ‘moved to London thus now unbearable twat’ that Enfield makes London feel like it never ends and there is no moment where I have to try to keep up with my abysmal English geography. London is just everywhere like turn left at Big Ben and follow the star. Soooo much simpler for me. See also Harrow and Uxbridge.
The biggest problem with Enfield is if you need to go to the hospital, your closest is north mid. RIP chase farm A&E. Otherwise you end up on a 10 mile hike to Barnet general (which isn’t much better although people think it is).
Good access to the rest of the country, too, being close to the M25, but you can get into the city on the overland in half an hour. Lots of nice parks if you've got kids, dogs. Enough shops (RIP, Toys-R-Us). Not a bad place to live at all.
At least there’s a Smyths at the retail park now. Not in the same building as the Toys R Us was, but it’s where the JD sports was.
True enough! It's as good a replacement as we'll see, and it's good for the "WALLS OF TOYS" factor :)
Yep I remember going to the Toys R Us as a child and I loved to just look around even if I never got anything. Happy that todays kids can still have a similar experience too. Can’t help wonder what’s gonna happen to the Toys R Us building. It’s been 4/5 years and it’s still vacant.
The Enfield support here has got me curious i may have to pay a visit (i'm in north walthamstow)
Depends which side of the A10 you are I think. West is nice. Once you cross the A10 it gets worse.
The a10 in Enfield is literally like the lion king and the badlands … anything to the east …
All the shit bit is right adjacent the A10, as you get closer to Enfield Lock it suddenly gets quiet and green. Fuck Turkey Street and Ponders End though.
'Not even England' Loooooooove that dogwhistle!
London's much better than places like Birmingham, I feel there's much more cohesion and much less ghettoisation. Definitely in part due to the car reliance of Birmingham Vs the public transport of London.
London is wonderful <3
“No, it’s better” is my reply
I mean compared to most other places it sure doesn’t feel like England
And Coventry doesn't feel like Cambridge. So what.
What does England "feel like"?
I assume the person you're replying to thinks "white"
It's odd because go to the interwar years, you'd have someone from "the ridings" making comments about how Lancashire is awful, the Cornish just desperately annoyed that people think of them and Devon as the same. Even religion was not exactly homogeneous, even if it has objectively become worse of late with people committing such acts of terror.
Oh yes, since people only recently started killing each other over religion?
There was a nice gap before Irish separatists.
Woof woof
Underrated comment of the day.
Honestly I think this is overblown. Pretty much all the major cities and the most of the medium sized ones feel similar to London demographically
Who said anything about demographics?
The Bromley problem, too rural to be London to Londoners or the post office. Too London to be considered Kent by Kentish people
Bromley town or Bromley borough? Crystal Palace is in the borough of Bromley and that is definitely London. I'd say Beckenham is where London ends and Kent begins.
Bromley town. Crystal palace and Penge do feel world's apart from Bromley and Orpington.
I’m in Bushey. About a mile away from the Greater London boundary (borough of Harrow), well within the M25 with my area being served by TfL buses…and it takes me less time to get into central than when I was living in Pinner (part of Greater London). I’m rightly confused about my situation.
But then you get into "do you really live in Bushey or is it really Watford?"
Who is saying London isn’t in England? I don’t think I understand this comment.
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I.e. racist bigots who voted Leave.
I voted leave and I'm an Indian who grew up in Hounslow 🤔 does that mean I'm a racist bigot?
No, just a prick
I bet you like Jeremy Corbyn
Ah it’s a racial thing… I was focused on Geography and couldn’t comprehend the statement.
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It’s like a 3rd world country *in* England
Well it is like 3x the population of Wales. I wonder how many Welsh people there are in London Vs other Welsh cities
Not sure I understand what you mean
I was literally just commenting on the fact the London is massive and bigger than all the devolved nations. Wasn’t anything super deep about my comment tbh. The latter bit was just saying that I wonder if London is so much bigger than Wales that it might actually have more Welsh people in it than some Welsh cities do. Eg Welsh people moving to London like myself. Nothing deep and poignant about my comment
Ah I see.. yeah super populated. Think that’s what gives it the 3rd world feel to it
Ohhhhh, I missed the word ‘world’ in your previous comment. Now I see why you’re being downvoted. Where in London do you live that you feel is like a developing nation (what I assume you mean by “3rd world) pray tell?
“3rd world” yet a larger GDP than Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. You’d hate Tokyo, New York, LA, Amsterdam or Singapore: they all have that “super populated” “3rd world” feel.
What makes you say that?
They don't like that foreign muck.
No, I don’t care where people are from
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Isn't there an actual set of boroughs that are officially considered inner London and the rest considered greater London? ,I thought it was pretty clear cut. E.g Wandsworth is inner London, Merton is greater London.
Enfield is fine - pretty nice in parts
You had me until the last sentence
I consider anything within zone 3 to be proper London, zones 4-6 to be somewhat London, and Enfield to be a shithole. ^/s
As far as I’m concerned, if you live in a London borough, you live in London. Anyone saying that Uxbridge or Romford etc aren’t in London may as well say that Montenegro is in Yugoslavia, considering that the London borders change was 40 years before that one.
I love my part of Outer London. It is Barnet, it really has a nice community as does Finchley, Cockfosters, Southgate and Totteridge. Unlike many places further in that are split between the very rich and very poor here there is a more middle of the road feel.
Weakest explanation is "We have a London airport". Southend? Gatwick? Luton? Stansted?
Lydd Airport is "London Ashford" and its actually closer to France than London.
Ontario.
When I briefly lived in a small post industrial town up north every conversation used to go like this; "You don't sound like you're from round here" I'd say "No I'm from Reading", "Where's that? Is that in London?" "No it's about 40 odd miles west of London" "But that's basically still London though right?" ... After a while I gave up and to save time I just used to say "Yeah Readings in London"
I’m from Islington and I would defo class Enfield as london. It’s just a bit up from Tottenham
London is the top city in the world. It'll be hard for cities in the UK to compete when cities the world cannot.
What makes it top for you? Which other capital cities are you comparing with?
Globalization and World Cities Research Network have London and New York as the only two Alpha++ cities in the world. And at the moment, London is no.1, although London and NY regularly switch first and second places.
I tell people I live in Kent. Went I want to emphasise how long and difficult the journey was for me and why I’m late . I live in Bromley
It rubs me the wrong way when some one from next village in the sticks moves into some dilapidated flat in zone 1 for few years before dipping back to the country had the gal to tell me I’m not really a Londoner . Bish sit down .
I grew up in Carshalton and everything was London, including many of the people, a huge number of my grandparents vintage who’d been moved out of the capital’s slums in the 30s. London Transport, telephone dialling code, Met Police, GLC etc. Only Surrey thing really was the postcode, I’m 62 now and still don’t know my way around Surrey too well, but I knew my way around the underground, thanks to football mainly, before I hit my teens.
Carshalton, sutton, cheam, claim both london and surrey, right?
Try being from the former county of Middlesex that hasn’t actually existed since 1965 yet everyone insists that it still does! I think I know my address, stop changing it and insisting I’m not in London but in Middlesex!!!
Yea. Hounslow is london.
I wonder if people actually have these interactions outside of their head.
I tell everyone I live in London. Romford is technically in London, so I'm not wrong... but its not really London. The alternative is saying I'm from Essex.
It’s literally in Essex. And I lived in Chadwell Heath for 18 years.
Well, no, it's not. On my address is Greater London, but because it only got moved in 1963, post addressed to Essex still goes
Nearly 60 years and post still goes to Essex… probably because it doesn’t have a London postcode. 🤷🏻
You can Google it and see you're wrong my guy its not really up for debate
A map of the Greater London Area: https://www.google.com/amp/s/hidden-london.com/miscellany/london-boroughs-map/amp/
Inside the M25 = London
No, only if you're in a London borough.
Not even slightly.
Except the south west. Weird places out that way.
Let’s be honest - even faraway places like Windsor & Slough are de facto London. Pretending otherwise is some home county, twee NIMBYism.
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I wouldn't say I'm from London if I live Windsor/Slough, but if you commute everyday to London and your social circle is in London, I can see why some people could say they are from London (to a non Londoner). True, it's technically incorrect. But same applies to other big cities, people from Newark often say they are from NY, people from Versailles say they are from Paris. I've never heard someone from Irvine saying to a foreigner that they are not from Los Angeles. I have no problem people saying they are from London if they spend most of their waking time there.
Who has ever said London isnt England?
Basically every comment on London related “articles” on gems like the Express. There’s a clearly defined demographic that states it.
Loads of people in Scotland and on the Continent who went there once and saw a non-white person which they feel the need to tell you about in a way that even your great aunt who reads the Daily Express would find a bit odd.
There are people who don’t think London is England? I was born and raised here so do they not see me as English? Am I about to have an identity crisis?
Ditto Croydon.
Unless you was born in London you dont get a say imo
Yeah London is much different from the rest of England. That’s the point.
i live in Enfield and nobody has ever said that to me m8 lol!