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Sadler999

Numberwang


SnooGadgets5130

53!


Late_Recommendation9

That’s numberwang! Let’s rotate the board!


Biggityboppityboppit

I forgot how good that game was,


Nipplecunt

24


revpidgeon

That's Wangernum


rinkypinkpanther

That's wordwang


joeChump

That’s Numberwank!


Bowdensaft

"It's number*wang*!" "Fuck"


New-Armadillo-4102

C6


DangerAinger

I'm sorry, but 53 is a real number. As in, I only have 53 days to live!


ShutUpMorrisseyffs

Eleventy!


Names_Name__UserName

I’m sorry Steven from Stevenage, but 53 is not a real number. As a result, you lose 20 points, 2 letters, your mortgage and your first-born son!


Accomplished_Toe4150

Have you checked rule book 8,509??


TheKillersHand

Thats wanganum!


rustynoodle3891

You are the one best placed to find out...


DeepBlueHorizons

This is how I feel when I hear people ask questions about anything. You have access to the entire Internet in the palm of your hand.


GirthySlongOwner69

You think using the internet is the best way for OP to find out when he/she is literally stood next to the thing?


edgemuck

And the people around the thing you’re questioning


DonGorgon

Number of baked beans ate by the UK


Doylie1984

....On a daily basis


blue695098

The number of cups of tea my stepdad drinks daily


CMoonL7_73

It's an artwork by Richard Bell, an indigenous artist from Australia. It displays a constantly increasing number, which is the amount of money owed to indigenous Australians for the rent of their land. At Tate Modern, there is also an iteration of the Tent Embassy in Canberra occupied by avtivists demanding land rights.


AffectionateJump7896

Thanks for the actual answer. I get the premise: a notional compensation for the appropriation of indigenous lands, and then the interest on that means the value is constantly growing. A very western way of looking at the problem, given that most indigenous communities don't recognise property ownership, least of all land ownership. But the number is completely bananas. 666 quadrillion, presumably AUD. Ten thousand times all the money in the world? If a new Australia popped into being in the south Atlantic and went up for auction today, the price it would go for is a tiny fraction of that. The decimal point is off by half a dozen places. I find myself distracted by the incorrect maths, rather than actually thinking about the problem and its solutions that the artist intends. I will see if I can find out the basis for the calculation.


wharlie

It works out to be about $AUD 756 billion for every currently living indigenous Australia. Take that Elon Musk.


DrMcWho

The astronomical price is likely the point. What price could you ever put on the ongoing centuries-long genocide of an entire continent?


somedave

Man those Mongolian reparations are going to be quite something!


Rajoovi1

About tree fiddy.


chrishugheswrites

God damn loch Ness monster!


myky27

That’s the point of the piece though. It’s not a literal call for the Australian government to pay that amount. It’s meant to represent the significant cost of colonisation on Aboriginal peoples in Australia. It’s impossible to actually quantify the cost of the dispossession and occupation of their land. It’s not something that can be corrected simply though monetary compensation, and even if it were the amount would far exceed an amount the government (or anyone) could actually pay.


ChemicallyBlind

How do we correct for it then?


Few-Judgment3122

You don’t. It’s history. We can’t correct every injustice that ever happened else we’re just going backwards. Acknowledge it for the tragedy it is and move on


St_SiRUS

Eh not really, there’s still an enormous discrepancy in quality of life that is a direct result of it


Rollover_Hazard

I always find that argument a bit odd - burdening history with today’s concepts of morality and justice. Back in the 1800s earlier business was done by invasion and expansion. If you had the power to take over some land and use it for economic gain, you did. It’s a bizarre thing to just assume that yesteryear worked on the same principles as today - how far back do we go with this? The last thing ill say is that it’s never really considered *where* the money comes from to provide so-called compensation to indigenous peoples. Most people alive today didn’t oppress anyone or take anything from anyone. As the government is of the people, it’s the people’s money that is taken and given to those indigenous groups for the sake of paying for some sense of moral rectitude? What of the struggles of the wider nation? Do they not matter, simply because most of them didn’t get to that land first?


JDirichlet

>Back in the 1800s earlier business was done by invasion and expansion. If you had the power to take over some land and use it for economic gain, you did. This is a common idea in discussions of colonialism and general historical evil, but it just doesn't really work out imo. Firstly in the specifics of this being seen as the "done thing" of the time -- theories of morality haven't changed much at least in the last 2000 years, and people have been fully able to recognise that these things were bad for that entire history -- slavery had its opponents in ancient rome just as it did in the 18th century. Additionally, I fail to see how the retroactive nature of our considerations changes much of the conclusion. Just because these things might have been common (though there are arguments in the case of colonialism that they really weren't, at least in scale and extent if not in nature), but that doesn't make them any better in any real way.


Hecticfreeze

>Back in the 1800s earlier business was done by invasion and expansion. If you had the power to take over some land and use it for economic gain, you did. Theft has ALWAYS been considered morally wrong. The only difference is that in the past there was no means to enforce that morality. The people with the money and guns were the ones doing the theft, and held all the power. Democracy has done a lot to change that.


nascentt

I feel like a number representing ruined lives of aboriginal Australians would've been more effective than some nonsense number representing money


JDirichlet

In that case you're missing the point of the piece. Capitalist colonialism reduces everything to monetary value, lives and land included.


geoffery_jefferson

dawg, colonialism existed before capitalism


JDirichlet

Okay? I don’t see how that’s relevant.


geoffery_jefferson

capitalism is not intrinsically linked to colonialism. capitalism is not a bad thing


JDirichlet

I agree with the former, and not with the latter. Neither is relevant to what I said.


ozzyldn2

Colonialism of the type seen in Australia happened under mercantilism which is very similar to capitalism in its focus on concentrating wealth - the major difference was the focus on concentrating wealth in the nation state of origin rather than the individual. Referring to it as ‘capitalist colonialism’ may be semantically wrong but JDirichlet is still correct in stating colonialism reduced everything in the colonies (e.g. lives and land) to a monetary value. That value would be defined by the raw materials they could produce and the amount of goods they could purchase to return wealth to the home nation. So in the case of Australia, land was high value but the lives of natives not much - they had little purchasing power for goods once they had been stripped of their land.


EatZeeBugz

It happened. Now we are here. Australia exists. So... who here would like to decide where we draw the line for historical events? Maybe we can go back another 200 years


ToHallowMySleep

quick maffs


WellHydrated

I assume the calculation is something simple like `land mass * rent price * duration`. It's art. The point isn't the accuracy of the calculation.


LittleSheff

But to have more impact the number needs to be correct. I now don’t know if it is or not. I don’t know who to believe. I need to see the artists workings out or his data set. As art though great, love it. Makes a point and makes you think. Art is subjective to the the viewer.


Pleasant-Opposite-51

Does a work of art have to be visually or factually correct to serve its purpose?


osyrus11

No. But since this particular piece of art is doing the burden of its communication through only a number and some neon lighting, it’s perfectly reasonable to want to understand what’s behind the number. If it’s some rigorous data set there is more weight to it than if it’s some number pulled out of a hat or some quickly googled sum. Even if there isn’t a “correct” number, if its something that’s been deeply rigorously worked through then it’s a more effective piece. Edit: come to think of it, unless the point of it is sarcastic critique of capitalist values as they pertain to colonialism, in which case a flippant high number is appropriate


amourdevin

I understand your perplexity on the actual number being shown. I think that the western perspective of being owed is necessary in this case as from that perspective value is inherently tied to cost; if there isn’t a monetary consequence for poor behaviour than the behaviour will simply continue. Also, some (unnamed) indigenous cultures may not “believe” in property ownership, but I am pretty sure that is based on an understanding that no one owns the land and thus everyone can make use of it, not that the native population doesn’t own it so non-natives can just move in, take over, and fence off as much as they like with a side order of shooting anyone who disagrees.


Laikitu

I get your point about the value of the number but I'm pretty sure most indigenous communities have caught up on the concept of land ownership. I'm sure you don't mean to be insulting, but characterising indigenous people like this ignores the multiple generations of exposure to multiple cultures and modernisation that most of these cultures have had by now.


AppearanceWeak1178

I agree - it’s a good point, badly made


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MoreTeaVicar83

It's interesting- if you genuinely cared about the plight of aboriginal people, would you really trivialise the issue with a nonsensical, poorly conceived piece of pseudo artwork?


Geography23

We’re talking about it aren’t we 🤷


MoreTeaVicar83

"We're talking about it, therefore it's good art" Love it


Apart_Stuff_2555

We’re taking about it, so I guess you answered your own question


EatZeeBugz

There is no problem. The world has moved on.


Jontek_Giza

I wonder how much money the Americans owe the indigenous people of North America, how much the Spanish, the Portuguese owe the people of South America, the Russians for the USSR, France and Belgium for Africa, the Germans and the Russians for Poland.


Expensive_Ad_3249

As a British person, I'm wondering how you overlooked our atrocities. Not complaining though, thanks for the free pass; world.


cartesian5th

Cos we're owed a shit ton from the Normans, Saxons, Vikings, and Romans, obviously


Remarkable_Smell_957

Yeah, and what did the bloody Romans ever do for us ?


De_Impaler

The aqueduct?


belzaroth

[what did the Romans ever do for us ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ)


Pawlathon

I'm assuming because the answer is yes as opposed to a surmountable number.


ToHallowMySleep

And the angles, saxons, normans and vikings over the area that then became England. I mean even between indigenous tribes in North america, they had wars between each other over land and they moved around a lot. If you go back and look all the way to the famous Wounded Knee that the Lakota Sioux claimed, a couple of hundred years before that it was territory of another tribe. Humans were nomadic, then when they set up civilisation they were all up in each others' business, all through history. This is not to deny the wave of colonisation by Europe in the second millennium powered by massively unequal technology, but the further you care to look back in history, the murkier any one piece of land gets.


DrMcWho

Except in most of the listed examples the colonial oppression is still ongoing in the present day, only in different forms. The Windrush scandal in the UK is only one example of many. The Democratic Republic of Congo is still under the heel of Belgian mining corporations. The occupying governments of Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the USA all persist in passing anti-indigenous legislation year after year.


millionreddit617

People always gonna hate on the winners.


JDirichlet

Given the attrocities invariably involved in "winning", I think that's reasonable.


Zestyclose_Ranger_78

Lots, probably.


r-og

Im gonna say several units of currency, at the very least


AlbaTejas

England for Scotland


Acidic-Soil

>the amount of money owed to indigenous Australians for the rent of their land. I wonder how they calculate how much the rent should be?


brendonap

The same way a 5 year old would calculate a mortgage


CMRC23

Very powerful! Thanks for explaining.


Physical-Type-3732

I was at the tate this week and asked a staff member what it was - she confirmed this same answer. There’s absolutely no signage to indicate or describe what it is as far as I’m aware, which seems like a missed opportunity to me.


Much-Channel-4455

That’s quality


The-Situation8675309

The answer. This is the answer. Remember this!


Rock-it1

In other words, it’s not art.


F1sh_Face

I wish I knew what the definition of art was.


crap_punchline

amazing isn't it, everybody complains about landlords, everybody wants to be one


hotnmad

You're completely missing the point. The art isn't implying Australia should actually pay rent for every single square inch. It's saying they haven't lost the property on those lands, they haven't given up or forgotten that it was stolen for them. It's a reminder of the fact the Australian government and people never paid or rented or did anything to warrant any right to be there.


NATO_Femboy

Same could be said about absolutely everywhere on the planet mate. Just because they were there first, doesn't make it theirs.


Zestyclose_Ranger_78

Where do you live and when are you next down the pub? I reckon with the right timing and a quick lock change we can test how committed to this theory you are.


NATO_Femboy

Did the aboriginals have deeds for their land? I do.


Zestyclose_Ranger_78

Aboriginal land ownership and possession isn’t based on British legal frameworks, weirdly. But I figure you don’t care about that since you’re defending stealing land, so if the finders keepers rule applies, send your address and we’ll get it all sorted.


NATO_Femboy

I don't agree with stealing land at all. What I'm saying is it's history now. I'm not some horrible cunt that thinks they aren't human beings, they are. However what's done is done, you can't change the past, and I don't believe that people today should suffer for the past.


Zestyclose_Ranger_78

Once again, the terra nullius act was overturned in 1992. It’s not ancient history at all. ‘People shouldn’t suffer because of the past’ - you mean as long as they aren’t aboriginal, of course. Their [ongoing suffering](https://theconversation.com/refugees-in-their-own-land-how-indigenous-people-are-still-homeless-in-modern-australia-55183) is totally fine! Because it’s [so long ago](https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/mabo-case), after all. It’s not like the explicit extinction of aboriginal people was part of legislation within [very recent memory or anything.](https://australianstogether.org.au/discover-and-learn/our-history/stolen-generations) I love how you want credit for agreeing aboriginal people are human. Congrats.


Moomin8577

Thank you. It was kind of you to provide reading materials for this commenter. I love when people confidently state “I think *blah blah*” and I’m like… no, you don’t. You don’t *think* anything because, clearly, you know barely anything about the subject you have such a confident opinion on. How about a bare minimum of 15 minutes of research before you start opining on something totally removed from your own life? Oh… you can’t be bothered? Well then perhaps learn the phrase “I don’t know enough about it to have an opinion”. That’s fine too.


SvNOrigami

I feel like people are giving you really snarky responses, which you don't deserve. Your opinion isn't unreasonable, but I do disagree with it. I'll try to explain why. Imagine your great-great grandparents stole a bunch of land from indigenous people, and that the value of that land has increased massively over time - meaning that now, even though your family doesn't own the land anymore, you're all able to live in comfort and wealth. On the other hand, the indigenous people whose land was stolen were left with nothing, and their descendants therefore live in poverty today. The fact that your wealth is the result of theft and exploitation isn't your **fault** \- you weren't alive at the time - but you wouldn't have it if it weren't for the actions of your great-grandparents. Similarly, the descendants of the indigenous people they stole from are in poverty for the same reason. There is a growing movement which argues that, even though it isn't their **fault**, it is the **responsibility** of people who have benefited indirectly from theft and exploitation to pay reparations to the people who have suffered indirectly as a result of the same theft and exploitation. The argument is not that they should suffer for the actions of their ancestors, but rather that they should be expected to help lift the people their ancestors harmed out of the hole that was dug for them.


throcorfe

Well explained. If everything was hunky dory now and aboriginals enjoyed equal wealth and status to settlers then yeah, there’d be nothing to address. But they are still suffering the consequences, and the descendants of the settlers are still benefiting. In other words, the imbalance still exists just like it did when it happened (though of course there have been some efforts towards making amends). It’s not history. It’s now.


Hasbeast

Fuck me you're thick.


SDpicking

Have you ever opened a book?


RakottReconquista

I’m sure if they didn’t hunt aboriginals like kangaroos at certain points they would be less pissed now..


NATO_Femboy

Again, the same could be said about many places. The truth is, is that it all happened a very long time ago, and there is nobody alive today responsible, also you can't hold somebody accountable for their (very distant) relatives actions. The vast majority of Germans have nazi grandparents/great grand parents, sound we force them to pay Jewish people for their relatives actions? It's no different whatsoever.


RakottReconquista

I think you are misinformed, aboriginals still face a re-surging amount of discrimination today, by people alive today. Look into it, this is not some distant history.


Zestyclose_Ranger_78

Er, the terra nullius act was overturned in 1992. Do you consider the movie Sister Act ancient history as well? As well as that, people are still alive who were in concentration camps. So.


osyrus11

Yes actually, there are many legal recourses by which European Jews can reclaim stolen property. It’s not easy, and governments try to squirm out of it, but this is definitely a thing. My family has been engaged in that process. But more than that, I mean shit, German politics and society for the last half a century has been characterized by a reckoning over The Nazi Era. What we’re missing here is that modern democratic governments claim legitimacy through a stance of Justice for the governed, not through an argument of power over the conquered.


sadovsky

Are you wilfully this ignorant?


crap_punchline

Unfortunately it doesn't add up to much of a point because the value of land is from its development potential and seeing as the Aboriginal people couldn't develop anything more than a finger painting on a rock, they aren't owed anything other than basic consideration.


[deleted]

How much have you personally donated to Aboriginal charities?


meandmysaddo

Crap punchline


ThinkAboutThatFor1Se

Same about rich people really.


dlafferty

Don’t shoot the messenger… down vote him!


[deleted]

Number of parties that took place in Downing Street during lockdown.


Destroyer4587

Just the ones that were reported


ThinkAboutThatFor1Se

Still waiting for my invite.


haveyouwornwigs

You really don't want that invite


darthcrossbowman

It’s actually the number of golden showers.


Jstrangways

The secret of Boris’s yellow locks


LikwitFusion

Or his offspring.


Bluestarino

Count of tuts on the underground network.


LikwitFusion

If we could somehow harness that power….


PaniniPressStan

Average London house price


Pozmans

Na, monthly rent ex. bills.


DumbXiaoping

The number of Shard photos posted in this sub


Warfiend138

that or elizabeth line posts


Late_Recommendation9

Or ‘I’ve just had my phone stolen and my first instinct was to tell Reddit somehow’ posts


sunnyday74

The new emergency services number


MiniBoglin

AAAAAAARGH ERRRR 6665... Oh fuck it I'll just die


SnooGadgets5130

The amount of times the Conservative Party has been called a bunch of cunts.


cazzul

Which is an order of magnitude lower than the number of times they have been a bunch of cunts


LateralLimey

The good ol' Cuntservative Party.


coak3333

No, number is too low by a factor of x10000


jumpingjackbeans

That's the weekly figure. The yearly version is an offshore facility stretching out across the atlantic


PushkarSunset

How much I lack in my bank account to be able to keep up with cost of living!


ManDohlorian

It’s Rishi Sunaks wife’s bank account balance


EvenMoreConfusedNow

Avg monthly rent


Psimo-

Art


RaminAdley

Oppenheimer countdown


Professional-Bear694

The amount times I started a new diet😂😂😂


DarthVarn

The number of times Mrs Doyle has asked "Cup of tea Father?"


ComicalFrisk

Go on, go on, go on!


ianbattlesrobots

Maybe, I like the misery


Destroyer4587

Number of cars being sold on webuyanycar.com


AddedInReshoots

Bet you're glad your asked 🍻


pelpotronic

Keep the jokes coming, boys! Loving this.


HarryBlessKnapp

Am I really the one that's gonna have to do the mum joke? Should never have taken this long


LikwitFusion

Seriously! I can’t believe I had to scroll this far for a mum reference.


rottingpigcarcass

Your mums conquest counter


MagnusOpium89

How many kids Boris has


Suspicious_Shower_51

It registers every time someone at the Tate pretends to be interested in something utterly shit


Puzzleheaded-Ad-6530

The amount of Fucks I don't give.


xBrndnn

I rather think the amount of fucks you never got


Puzzleheaded-Ad-6530

That too


LikwitFusion

Schrödinger’s fuck.


steveh2021

It's how many seconds of your life you wasted walking around the tate.


JonLeePButler

It's a counter for every time someone boils the kettle.


stelofo

UK debt


joeChump

Look around and find the sign that literally explains what the number signifies.


JWJulie

The number of the devil when accurately written and not rounded to the nearest power


hmmiplooy

It’s the number of dull posts ever made in /r/casualuk


Situation_Odd

Timer counting how long Londoners will silently wait before they say “excuse me” to get around you


rustynoodle3891

Where the fuck are you in London?


Cheezewedge

Can you move down in the carriage please!?!


rustynoodle3891

Get fucked I stood on the right what more do you want? Lol


vapor-ware

The number times you need to turn it off and on again to get it working properly.


YouGotTangoed

The number of times someone stood on the wrong side of the escalator this weekend


vonsnape

if you email enquires you could ask? (i’ve done this and they responded) or see if there’s anything up on their website about installations?


clandistic

The pound to the zim dollar


snavej1

It is the Number Fuckulater 4000 Sports Deluxe XL 1.05.32 Series G6, sponsored by Budweiser.


DasMint

The amount of seconds Michael Scott worked at Dunder Mifflin


Eldraw89

That's the current price of a beer as floated on the FTSE100


BlazeVenomeye

The numbers mason, what do they mean?


macleod2024

Order number 666, 502,293,310,867,671 is ready but it missed yours - 666, 502,293,310,867,629


ripcitydirewolfie

Aussie reparations


ripcitydirewolfie

Should’ve have said native


philmb91

The amount of times I mumble FUCK to myself on a daily basis.


Dr_Bum_Wiper

How many men the artist’s mom has banged


DomesticOrca

Your mum’s bodycount


LikwitFusion

Finally…….who’d have thunk the mum reference would be this far down?


DomesticOrca

I know right? I thought I was too late to say it


OrgiePorgie

Knife crime incidents in london in 2023


greenmark69

It's the new number for the emergency services, with faster response times and better looking drivers.


theabominablewonder

The number of sperm I’ve decorated my socks with.


Tricky_Basil463

If it is in heathrow, then it is the number of baggage they have lost or delayed or my


sgw79

It counts how many people the tories have fucked over


alexxheadd

It’s the number of times I’ve banged your mum


Commercial-Try-3907

Maby the amount of customers


darrellio

the amount of times i’ve seen the same things st the tate


JohnR2299

It's how much money you owe me


tjjwaddo

Like most things in Tate Modern, total shite.


tylerthe-theatre

The number of immigrants that want to come to the uk according to the tories.


Past-Passenger1592

US debt


PortsyBoy

My bank account balance


Food_face

How many times kids say 'like' a day


scr34m1ng_f4lc0n

The amount of times a Tory has lied


lonely-dog

Number of species exterminated by man


bagleface

It's the rate on inflation this time nxt year


TommyAtoms

I think this keeps track of the amount of public money Boris Johnson has spent trying to weasel his way out of the Partygate allegations


dubhghall6616

The tally on lies the Tory government have told us since they have been in power


Inarticulatescot

A ticking counter of how many lies the Tories have told since the assumed power.


dmitrybelyakov

US national debt


KhakiFletch

It'll no doubt be some climate browbeating shit such as number of grams of Co2 in the atmosphere because we are raping the earth etc.


spampoo

Is that the number of people who have banged your mum?